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Israeli company IMI created "super-bullets"

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Israelis continue to upgrade small-arms ammunition weapons. According to the portal defenseworld.net, the company Israel Military Industries (IMI) has officially announced the creation of a “super-bullet”.


Israeli company IMI created "super-bullets"


The development of the caliber 5,56 mm has not yet received an official name, the creators call it a “super-bullet”. At IMI, they point out that on tests, cartridges with new bullets showed on 30% better accuracy (accuracy) at a distance of 550 m than armor-piercing ammunition of caliber 7,62 mm.

According to the developers, during testing, new bullets “pierced” steel armor plates with a thickness of 3,4 mm at a distance of 800 m, which roughly corresponds to the indicators of armor-piercing bullets of caliber 7,62 mm.

New super-bullets give rifles improved capabilities while increasing firepower, which has become equivalent to the FN MAG machine gun. They also reduce the weight that a soldier must carry on the battlefield.
- told Israel Shmilowitz, head of the ammunition unit of the IMI company, reports "Warspot"
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  1. Azazelo
    Azazelo 2 February 2018 11: 06
    +9
    Well, the resource of machines is probably "increased"
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 2 February 2018 11: 23
      19
      during testing, new bullets "flashed" steel armor plates 3,4 mm thick at a distance of 800 m, which roughly corresponds to the performance of armor-piercing bullets of 7,62 mm caliber.
      Exactly . To increase these characteristics, it is necessary to increase the propellant charge and (or) apply a core made of stronger and heavier material, which will reduce the barrel’s life. There were so many high-profile "innovations", but for their implementation, new materials for the trunks are needed, and therefore everything is as usual about a dog and a caravan
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 2 February 2018 12: 00
        +4
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        during testing, new bullets "flashed" steel armor plates 3,4 mm thick at a distance of 800 m, which roughly corresponds to the performance of armor-piercing bullets of 7,62 mm caliber.
        Exactly . To increase these characteristics, it is necessary to increase the propellant charge and (or) apply a core made of stronger and heavier material, which will reduce the barrel’s life. There were so many high-profile "innovations", but for their implementation, new materials for the trunks are needed, and therefore everything is as usual about a dog and a caravan

        Well, of course, the price will increase.
        Of course, the news is bad. So it will be in NATO sooner or later. Intelligence must dig the earth, we need samples. And even better are the secrets of manufacturing.
        1. Genry
          Genry 2 February 2018 12: 33
          11
          Quote: Barkhan
          Intelligence must dig the earth, samples are needed. And even better are the secrets of manufacturing.

          There are no secrets ... There is only optimization of the cost of the cartridge. Currently, a cheap core has ceased to fulfill its function and it is necessary to spend a large number of shots to break through the defense. And this translates into huge losses (human, material, logistic). The use of a harder, albeit expensive core, will make it possible to hit a target with a much smaller amount .....
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 2 February 2018 13: 30
            +9
            I guess the secret is in the tungsten core.
            Such bullets were tested in the USSR, recognized as effective (accuracy increases, penetration), but recognized as too expensive and not taken into service.
            1. Genry
              Genry 2 February 2018 13: 47
              +5
              Quote: Shurik70
              but found too expensive and not adopted

              Then there was no prevalence of body armor. Now all the assault units (and the Papuans) are provided with them.
              With machine guns, on armored vehicles, the caliber can be increased to 9 mm (12,7 dramatically reduces ammunition) and provide normal statistics on target destruction. But the infantry, carrying cartridges twice as hard, it will hurt ... Therefore, it is necessary to increase the armor penetration rate of cartridges of the current format for portable weapons. And let the production be more expensive, but the cost of one military is much more expensive. Modern war is becoming more technological and more expensive.
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 2 February 2018 16: 04
                +6
                Sorry, but this also raises the issue of barrel wear. Here, after all, here’s what kind of crap comes out - if you (conditionally) throw "cheap meat" into the battle, then these cartridges will cost them too much, this is certainly not 800.000 bucks for the Zumvolt shell, but if you multiply by their number close numbers can work out. But if you have a MTR or even just PMCs, then they already have a fairly rich selection of everything and everyone, and for them this armor penetration (I suspect) is not a problem. I’m talking about the fact that professionals will not try to “overwhelm” the reserved target with the usual “Kalash”, I’ll probably immediately “give out” such a target for destruction or will be blocked by a sniper or other means (grenade launchers or AGS).
                That is, we returned just to the situation in which the USSR refused such cartridges - it is expensive to hammer nails with a "microscope". good
                I want to remind the situation of NATO and Russia "how to make free-falling bombs high-precision?" repeat . The mattresses did what they did - they added for each bomb a separate steering system (conditionally, yes, it’s much more complicated there than just steering wheels), and Russia (?) - Russia, even with difficulty, set up the hephaestus system. bully good
                According to the resulting mattresses, for years and years, put a system for every dough on every bomb, even without considering that they print it, but this must be done FOR ALL bombs and that means this time and a lot of money. And Russia - made its planes “highly accurate dumpers” for much cheaper, and now it’s “grinds seeds” without the slightest “steam”, how many and what kind of bombs are there in warehouses tongue good
                1. Genry
                  Genry 2 February 2018 21: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  Sorry, but this also raises the issue of barrel wear.

                  How do you justify barrel wear? For me, if the shell of the bullet does not change, then the wear of the barrel does not change either.
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  if you (conditionally) throw "cheap meat" into the battle, then these cartridges will cost them too much,

                  Well, if you are considered "cheap meat", then I will not mind arming you with cheap ammunition. And in general, why give out cartridges and machine guns - shovels are cheaper! That is the same effect against a well-defended enemy (or maybe better).
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  But if you have a MTR or even just PMCs, then they already have a fairly rich selection of everything and everyone, and for them this armor penetration (I suspect) is not a problem.

                  Yes, they have special cartridges and special weapons ... and special prices.
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  I’m talking about the fact that professionals will not try to “overwhelm” the reserved target with the usual “Kalash”, I’ll probably immediately “give out” such a target for destruction or will be blocked by a sniper or other means (grenade launchers or AGS).

                  Then, why the hell to us all this infantry? Fire everyone! Throw Kalash !!!
                  Quote: Mih1974
                  That is, we returned just to the situation in which the USSR refused such cartridges - it is expensive to hammer nails with a "microscope".

                  Nobody refused anything. They chose a core that was sufficient at that time. But now metal ceramics and body armor of the 5th class have appeared.

                  Quote: Mih1974
                  I want to remind the situation of NATO and Russia “how to make free-falling bombs high-precision?” ....... only and what kind of bombs are there in warehouses

                  This is you on what topic ??? It seems that the article was not mistaken (there wasn’t about the bomb).
              2. ARES623
                ARES623 3 February 2018 11: 14
                +1
                Quote: Genry
                And let the production be more expensive, but the cost of one military is much more expensive.

                The 100th army during the fighting of low intensity (the 40th Army in Afghanistan) spent 300 million rounds of ammunition per month, i.e. 3,6 billion a year. Question: if the cartridges become more expensive, how much? Will our economy have enough for this increase in the cost of cartridges? Is there a need for every AK soldier to penetrate armored plates at 800 meters? Are you ready to switch from butter to margarine for this?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 3 February 2018 12: 46
                  0
                  Quote: ARES623
                  Is there a need for every AK soldier to penetrate armored plates at 800 meters?

                  Where did you get these 800 from? It can't even SVD.
                  You probably don’t know that AK-AKM -... do not penetrate 5th grade bulletproof vest (5,54 NATO too) even from 10 meters (minimum test distance). Though Vicki take a look.
                  1. ARES623
                    ARES623 3 February 2018 13: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    Where did you get these 800 from? It can't even SVD.

                    From the article, in case you do not read what you are discussing.
                    Quote: Genry
                    You probably don’t know that AK-AKM -... do not penetrate 5th grade bulletproof vest (5,54 NATO too) even from 10 meters (minimum test distance). Though Vicki take a look.

                    What cartridge do you mean? 7H6? M193? Something else? From your words, AK-AKM shoots a cartridge AT ALL, and there is a fairly wide variety of them with very different performance characteristics. If you have a VIKI in indestructible authority, then yes. And if you use the usual technical documentation or information from TSNIITOCHMASH, then specify what AK-AKM does not break through.
          2. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 2 February 2018 15: 52
            +3
            Here is such knowledge of bites ...
            1. Armor-piercing bullets with a core made of tungsten carbide (and other materials, up to depleted uranium) have long been known and are in service. The question is the price of ammunition and the purpose of its use. In addition to snipers (and Marxman), small arms fire is usually not aimed, but towards the enemy ... There are statistics of a US fighter from Iraq, where up to 1 shots per 1000 killed enemy .... why then an expensive cartridge ?!
            2. Tales about bulletproof vests are good, but ALL modern bulletproof vests have 2 indicators (classes) of protection: the bulletproof vest itself and the sector reinforced with armored plate. Usually indicate a second, higher class, which can protect even from conventional armor-piercing rounds of 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R. But this is only a slice of 30-40 cm square. The rest of the body armor and helmet usually have 1 or 2 class (according to our classification, that is, God forbid, if they protect against a pistol!
            3. Only recently there was news about the adoption of an improved cartridge by the United States and the purchase of our improved cartridge by the Defense Ministry ... so that everyone works in the same direction, but what the Israelis have created is not clear ....
    2. Genry
      Genry 2 February 2018 12: 25
      +1
      Quote: Azazelo
      Well, the resource of machines is probably "increased"

      This, apparently, is about a new core (tungsten carbide?), And the shell will remain the same. So that the resource does not suffer.
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 11: 50
        0
        Quote: Genry
        Quote: Azazelo
        Well, the resource of machines is probably "increased"

        This, apparently, is about a new core (tungsten carbide?), And the shell will remain the same. So that the resource does not suffer.

        If the mass of the bullet increases, then the degree of wear will increase. Throwing a heavy pea scraping the walls of the barrel and moving with vibration is not without wear and tear. More mass is a greater impact energy when moving inside. Bullet balancing static and dynamic relative to the longitudinal axis is not absolute.
        1. Genry
          Genry 3 February 2018 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          If the mass of the bullet increases, then the degree of wear will increase.

          Who will allow you to increase the mass of a bullet above the permissible? You have a very narrow range of energies at which automation works. An increase in the mass of a bullet will reduce its speed (square root).
          The meaning of a solid core is to overcome armor with the same energy, due to stiffness (not to lose shape and not to collapse).
          1. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 17: 39
            0
            Quote: Genry
            Quote: Vkd dvk
            If the mass of the bullet increases, then the degree of wear will increase.

            Who will allow you to increase the mass of a bullet above the permissible? You have a very narrow range of energies at which automation works. An increase in the mass of a bullet will reduce its speed (square root).
            The meaning of a solid core is to overcome armor with the same energy, due to stiffness (not to lose shape and not to collapse).

            I do not agree with the square root. The speed and magnitude of the charge, with the property of gunpowder, are related by their formulas. The desire to make the bullet more ...., inevitably, along with the strength of the core, the energy of the cartridge will be raised.
            1. Genry
              Genry 3 February 2018 18: 18
              0
              Quote: Vkd dvk
              I do not agree with the square root. The speed and magnitude of the charge, with the property of gunpowder, are related by their formulas. The desire to make the bullet more ...., inevitably, along with the strength of the core, the energy of the cartridge will be raised.

              Improving a bullet is not related to energy. It improves the resistance of the bullet to impact with new armor material. It does not flatter and does not crumble.
              You cannot raise the energy of a cartridge (gunpowder). Your weapon automation will stop working. More precisely: the shutter will fly away or hollow the limiter.
              You can use your cartridge with other weapons, with automation for the energy of this cartridge ....
              About the speed ... With constant energy, with an increase in the weight of the bullet four times, the speed will drop twice (square root). If you do not agree, read the school physics textbook.
        2. bootlegger
          bootlegger 3 February 2018 13: 14
          0
          With an increase in bullet weight, wear does not increase, but decreases. Increasing mass decreases the speed of the bullet, with the same charge, of course. A lower bullet speed means less friction on the barrel and less wear.
          Progress is directed in the direction of decreasing the mass of the bullet and increasing its speed.
          Thus, it is possible to reduce recoil while conserving bullet energy (the law of conservation of momentum) and to increase the accuracy of shooting by increasing the range of a direct shot. But for this it is necessary to raise the operational characteristics of the trunks.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 3 February 2018 14: 19
            0
            Quote: bootlegger
            Progress is directed in the direction of decreasing the mass of the bullet and increasing its speed.

            Then, if possible, explain why NATO from M 193 with a bullet of 3,56 grams switched to SS109 with a bullet of 4 grams? It seems to me that progress in this multidimensional matter cannot be limited only to the weight-and-speed direction. There are questions of the shape and material of the core, its location in the shell, the material for filling the space between the core and the shell, the pitch of the grooves, in short - there are many questions only about the pool. Investigations to improve the penetration ability of cartridges go on continuously both with us and with a likely enemy. And it is clear that in some respects they succeed, in others - we. Competition, however ...
            1. bootlegger
              bootlegger 3 February 2018 14: 47
              0
              These are just attempts to improve the bullets themselves in the current mass-dimensional parameters.
              All that is possible in terms of increasing the speed of the bullet has already been done and now it remains only to manipulate the construction of the bullet. Naturally, a solid core comes out only of tungsten. It is not only solid, but also high-density and the mass of the bullet inevitably grows. But in this case, this is not very good, just the inevitable construction costs.
              But the trends are still the same. Reduce weight and increase speed.
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 3 February 2018 15: 26
                0
                Quote: bootlegger
                Naturally, a solid core comes out only of tungsten. It is not only solid, but also high-density and the mass of the bullet inevitably grows.

                If there is any reliable information about this - share it. According to what I read, the cartridges arriving today in the motorized rifle units for food (5,45 mm) have a st10-st45 core heat-strengthened to 52-63 units (which is newer). In the 80-90s, they developed a 65G core, which, with a range of 80% penetration of steel sheets, shows equivalent results with NATO SS109. In addition, VK8 alloy (tungsten carbide + cobalt) is also used, which is still not pure tungsten.
  2. filatik
    filatik 2 February 2018 11: 08
    0
    Not bad! I would like more information
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 February 2018 11: 39
      +6
      Quote: filatik
      Not bad! I would like more information

      I didn’t find anything in Hebrew. request
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 2 February 2018 11: 58
        +2
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        I didn’t find anything in Hebrew

        does Israel Schmilowitz, the head of the IMI ammunition division still exist?
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 2 February 2018 12: 31
        +2
        In addition to general information, it is unlikely that anything substantial can be found. Secrets of making how Koscheev’s death will be kept. It is unlikely that this will be a gross cartridge, and therefore it will be used against an adversary from technologically advanced states using army personal protective equipment. And against bearded little boys you can use available, cheaper ammunition.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 2 February 2018 16: 49
          +3
          Quote: Black Colonel
          In addition to general information, it is unlikely that anything substantial can be found. Secrets of making how Koscheev’s death will be kept. It is unlikely that this will be a gross cartridge, and therefore it will be used against an adversary from technologically advanced states using army personal protective equipment. And against bearded little boys you can use available, cheaper ammunition.

          Well, like that. TTX is not a secret. The secret of the manufacturing process. By the way, any customer can check the declared characteristics. This is not a cat in a poke.

          It is unlikely that IMI would be substituted with outright crap.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 February 2018 11: 09
    0
    tungsten carbide cores? And to increase the accuracy - increased manufacturing accuracy? Well, it's all real, albeit not cheap. Uranium cores would be even cooler!
  4. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 2 February 2018 11: 11
    0
    An interesting operating time, they didn’t even mention what made such core strength achieved)) And what will the Professor say about this?
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 2 February 2018 11: 13
      10
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      What will the Professor say about this?

      It has no analogues in the world. yes
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 2 February 2018 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: vlad66

        It has no analogues in the world. yes

        In Israel, I’m not making up a wheel. Any successful invention has a basis in other processes.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 2 February 2018 16: 09
          +2
          Oh well, we know this “has a basis”, this is a “human resource” which, in all countries, as “scouts” were admitted to all secrets. am Of course, I’m not an anti-Semite, but somehow my arms are reaching out or pushing all mm “especially smart” or “on the chain” to put them in order not to take away secrets.
          And because of such "emigrants" the USSR leaked the secret of centrifugal enrichment of uranium to the West am . There wasn’t enough “cruelty” to the “Stalinist bloody Morder” to put one character Tsypka on the chain, and they didn’t even shoot him, but released him in Germany. negative
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 2 February 2018 11: 14
    +1
    What is the secret that they used polymers, polymetals, gunpowder or simply invented new gas dynamics. Something is not enough for such a sensational material
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 February 2018 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      What is the secret that they used polymers, polymetals, gunpowder or simply invented new gas dynamics. Something is not enough for such a sensational material

      I put 5 shekels to cover the bullets of nano
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 2 February 2018 14: 32
        0
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        I put 5 shekels to cover the bullets of nano

        not expensive so appreciated
  6. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 2 February 2018 11: 26
    0
    The manufacturing accuracy of all cartridge components has been increased, gunpowder with more stable combustion indicators has been applied, and the shape of the bullet has been optimized. Increased armor penetration can only be achieved by replacing the material of the bullet core with tungsten carbide.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 2 February 2018 12: 07
      +3
      Everything that you listed increases the cost of ammunition many times. One thing for ultra-precise sniper shooting, another for ordinary shooters. Someone in the subject is well aware of the percentage of hits at 550 m, and even more than 800 m. And even an increase in accuracy by 30 percent makes shooting at these distances it’s very expensive. Only for special services can it be justified ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 February 2018 12: 47
        +5
        We have every infantryman with optics. Tavor only seems shabby - the trunk length there is not childish. And they always shoot solo, aimed. Therefore, the price of a cartridge is not so important.
        At 550 or even more so 800 and no need to shoot.
        It is important to hit and punch confidently at 200-400 m.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 2 February 2018 14: 05
          +2
          Alexei, 200-400 meters behind the eyes and existing ammunition. Well, and optics at the moment is not a problem to install on any barrel. Russian weapons have long gone with lateral influxes for quick installation under optics ...

          The conversation in the article is about 550 and 800 meters.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 2 February 2018 16: 13
            +1
            belay Shaw, 550 meters, thanks, I missed it. Well then, this is generally news - nothing. negative This is not even a simple distance for snipers, but they generally have their own weapons and their own ammunition. And there is no problem "heavy ammunition", they do not burn them with "zinc".
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 2 February 2018 17: 09
              +2
              Quote: Mih1974
              This is not even a simple distance for snipers, but they generally have their own weapons and their own ammunition. And there is no problem "heavy ammunition", they do not burn them with "zinc".

              So I’m wondering how they stabilized the bullets at such a distance, and with such penetration. But for the 308th 800-1000m is already at the limit, that's why they shoot the sniper ... 300 wines mage, 338 Lapua, 6.5 -283 creedmore , 375 and 408 cheatak ...
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 2 February 2018 11: 36
    +8
    In case suddenly unarmed old people, women and children, wear body armor
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 February 2018 12: 45
      +6
      And they do it. Onizhedety is also not d-crayfish. And acquire armor, and night sights.
  8. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 2 February 2018 11: 52
    0
    The development of the caliber 5,56 mm has not yet received an official name, the creators call it a “super-bullet”. At IMI, they point out that on tests, cartridges with new bullets showed on 30% better accuracy (accuracy) at a distance of 550 m than armor-piercing ammunition of caliber 7,62 mm.

    contrary to this:
    According to the developers, during testing, new bullets “pierced” steel armor plates with a thickness of 3,4 mm at a distance of 800 m, which roughly corresponds to the indicators of armor-piercing bullets of caliber 7,62 mm.

    Anyone who understands weapons knows that the axiom is that most of all solid turned copper bullets, where the center of rotation and gravity is not broken by a core made of heavier metal. And armor-piercing bullets with a tungsten or uranium core inevitably have an error in processing, making cores from such hard metals is as unrealistic as making trunks with exactly the same rifling and traces of them on the pool. So we can safely say that this is fake and shameless advertising.
    1. Genry
      Genry 2 February 2018 12: 39
      0
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      those who understand weapons know that the axiom is that the most accurate are solid turned copper bullets, where the center of rotation and gravity is not broken by a core made of heavier metal.

      This is not so much in accuracy (although improving quality can similarly increase accuracy), but in the ability to hit a carcass in body armor. It has already become difficult to do with old bullets.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 February 2018 12: 42
      +2
      "And armor-piercing bullets with a tungsten or uranium core inevitably have an error in processing," ////

      Nothing like this. Technology has changed. Errors jewelry.
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 12: 43
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "And armor-piercing bullets with a tungsten or uranium core inevitably have an error in processing," ////

        Nothing like this. Technology has changed. Errors jewelry.

        You do not understand the physics of the process. Quite homogeneous metal bullets, of course, it is easier to make accurate boeley. Individually and in droves.
        I do not presume to tell how this is done in the production workshop, but I will talk about methods that allow this to be done. Alignment of characteristics is the balancing of a bullet relative to the longitudinal axis. Distinguish between static and dynamic balancing. Both one and the other is done in the centers, (such as needles, in which the part is installed with its front and back parts. This gives extremely low friction force. Under the influence of gravity the part turns all the time one side down. This part is undermined (cut), making it one-piece all sides of the part When they achieve an indifferent position of the part, they consider that the static balancing is over.
        Dynamic is harder. The part is rotated at a decent speed and the dynamical vibration change is measured. Unevenly distributed masses, voids inside, give out. Grind in more massive areas. The dynamics are improved - the static is getting worse. And vice versa. Now, if a more massive body (rod) is inevitably installed inside the bullet array unevenly? And is it inaccessible because it is located inside? No precision technology can eliminate everything to the ideal. And the more difficult the task, the multicomponent details, the worse the result.
    3. Korax71
      Korax71 2 February 2018 13: 50
      0
      For reference. If the bullets are machined, then only from bronze and its alloys. The coefficient of friction, however. Regarding barrels, the repeatability of parameters for foreign samples is several times better than ours. The Lobaeva counter still procures blanks for trunks in the USA, chrysostom does not meet the parameters. It is unrealistic to make cartridges only on motor lines designed 20 years ago.
      1. Genry
        Genry 2 February 2018 21: 56
        +2
        Quote: Korax71
        For reference. If the bullets are machined, then only from bronze and its alloys

        Chemistry 2 ???
        Quote: Korax71
        In terms of trunks, the repeatability of parameters in foreign samples is many times better than ours.

        What parameters? Dispersion - no problem. The problems are in the shooter who does not know how to control the weapon.
        Quote: Korax71
        Comrade Lobaev is still procuring blanks for trunks in the United States; the gold chrysostom does not satisfy the parameters.

        He previously bought thermally stable barrels of a stainless steel over a hill, because Russia did not have this production. Now it is.
        Quote: Korax71
        and it’s unrealistic to make cartridges only on motor lines developed 20 years ago.

        Can rotary lines (for mass production)? And the limitation of the frames (possible from the First World War) has nothing to do with the matter.
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 3 February 2018 12: 53
        0
        Quote: Korax71
        For reference. If the bullets are machined, then only from bronze and its alloys. The coefficient of friction, however. Regarding barrels, the repeatability of parameters for foreign samples is several times better than ours. The Lobaeva counter still procures blanks for trunks in the USA, chrysostom does not meet the parameters. It is unrealistic to make cartridges only on motor lines designed 20 years ago.

        Repeatability of the results is negligible. Because. that it’s a superweapon EVERYTHING IS EQUAL AND INDIVIDUALLY brought and shot.
        STABILITY OF FORM, SIZES AFFECTS. Well-seasoned and artificially thermally aged barrels for a long time keep the accuracy obtained during final sightings unchanged.
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 February 2018 12: 40
    +4
    It suits us. In TsANAL infantry shoots solitary. Everyone has optics. Even if
    each cartridge is 10 times more expensive, then the costs are small. And guaranteed to break through a bulletproof vest or a light shelter from personal weapons is important.
  10. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 2 February 2018 12: 57
    +1
    Miracles, as you know, do not happen. If everything is as stated, it is unlikely that this will be a mass product and hardly cheap. There is little information to draw any conclusions.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 2 February 2018 16: 16
      +1
      You are sorry, too, did not pay attention
      accuracy (accuracy) at a distance of 550 m
      After these figures, the conversation about regular infantry ceases. This ammunition is exclusively for snipers, but they already have enough different ammunition.
  11. Disorder
    Disorder 2 February 2018 13: 26
    +1
    And why are they comparing it with a large caliber? In the native caliber, it was not possible to achieve improvements?
    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 2 February 2018 16: 01
      +1
      It’s not clear about the caliber: at 5.56 you can call anything 223 (5.56x45), 243 (5.56 × 51), and our 5.45x39 ... 7.62 calibers are even bigger: 39, 51, 54, 63, 67 mm. and further. Everywhere its characteristics, its own mass of bullets ...
      What was compared with what?
      1. Disorder
        Disorder 2 February 2018 19: 22
        +1
        That is the whole question. No matter how they call names, but 5.56 and 7.62 are completely different calibers. And you need to compare ammunition of the same caliber. It turns out that somewhere they distort, comparing with? .62, and not with the existing 5.56.
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  13. Technikner
    Technikner 2 February 2018 14: 05
    0
    Due to its high density, depleted uranium has a high penetrating power. Something like this?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 February 2018 16: 48
      +1
      Quote: Exchniker
      Due to its high density, depleted uranium has a high penetrating power. Something like this?

      19,1 / g
  14. Gonzallo
    Gonzallo 2 February 2018 17: 59
    0
    give rifles improved capabilities while increasing firepower, which has become equivalent to the FN MAG machine gun
    It's just not clear why they compare with FN MAG, or the translator "cooked up" rifles . FN MAG - light machine gun. And if a comparison with him, then everything is clear. Only then, the conversation seems about the Negev, that is already a good machine, but it will be even better.
  15. tecnik
    tecnik 2 February 2018 21: 22
    +1
    In the Russian Federation, there are less serviceable T-80s than behind the hill - that's for sure. Now we’ll sell the S400 to the NATO country that shot down our plane - everything is logical. @@@
    1. SEER
      SEER 2 February 2018 23: 24
      +1
      Quote: tecnik
      In the Russian Federation, there are less serviceable T-80s than behind the hill - that's for sure. Now we’ll sell the S400 to the NATO country that shot down our plane - everything is logical. @@@

      what smoked?
  16. Netzah netzah
    Netzah netzah 3 February 2018 08: 51
    +1
    Quote: Gonzallo
    give rifles improved capabilities while increasing firepower, which has become equivalent to the FN MAG machine gun
    It's just not clear why they compare with FN MAG, or the translator "cooked up" rifles . FN MAG - light machine gun. And if a comparison with him, then everything is clear. Only then, the conversation seems about the Negev, that is already a good machine, but it will be even better.

    They compare it with the FN MAG because it is the lightest machine gun that can penetrate light armored vehicles. This is such an advertising move - "Buy our cartridge and your machine will become as cool as the FN MAG." All this is designed for third world countries to which this cartridge will be sold.
  17. Sedoy
    Sedoy 3 February 2018 12: 22
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    if you believe the statistics, which walks on an Internet, then the consumption of cartridges in the war was as follows:

    in World War II, 25.000 rounds of ammunition were spent by one Allied soldier on one killed enemy.
    In Korea, UN troops have already spent 50.000 shots per enemy.
    In Vietnam, 200.000 rounds of ammunition per enemy soldier

    based on this, all these "super-bullets" dog crap ...
    perhaps they have a place for special units, snipers, but not for combined arms units ...

    here you have more information about the "war and expense" right here on the site (https://topwar.ru/108186-hvatit-li-patronov-dlya
    -voyny.html)

    "The Soviet contingent in Afghanistan spent about 300 million cartridges per month.
    From here you can take this factor: the army in 100 thousands of people during the fighting spends 300 million cartridges per month, or 3,6 billion cartridges per year. This is a very rough estimate, but no other data has been published. Therefore, we will use them. So, if the Soviet Army would have entered a large-scale war, then its expenditure during the year of the war would have been 165,6 billion pieces of ammunition. The Russian army, which numbered a million in 2016 in a year, would have spent 36 billions of rounds in a year of war.

    For comparison: during the entire Great Patriotic War, 17 billion pieces of cartridges were spent. "You can clearly see how sharply increased the need for ammunition with the transition to automatic weapons."

    which economy can withstand the "expensive cartridge" ...
    1. Genry
      Genry 3 February 2018 13: 04
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      Quote: Sedoy
      In Vietnam, 200.000 rounds of ammunition per enemy soldier

      In Vietnam, there were 20 thousand expenses. And in Afghanistan, 300 million / month is also unrealistic (it turns out 100 tons per day).
      Quote: Sedoy
      What kind of economy can withstand the "expensive cartridge" ...

      How expensive? More specifically. IMHO more expensive but not at times.
      And to shoot with "blank" cartridges is it economically viable?
  18. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 4 February 2018 14: 18
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    http://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/32911 Более подробно пока нет. После выставки, возможно... Тут на иврите и кино-стреляют. https://news.walla.co.il/item/3130810