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Ukraine will have a real threat to Russia in ten years

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Ukraine seems to be closer to own production of a new type for the country. weapons - cruise missiles. It is alleged that the Ukrainian development will have a number of important fighting qualities. And although some experts reacted ironically to the tests that had taken place in Ukraine, others estimate the appearance of such missiles more than seriously.


Ukraine will have a real threat to Russia in ten years


President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on Tuesday evening announced the successful testing of a cruise missile (KR) of Ukrainian production. "Another very good news Today. The Ukrainian ground-based cruise missile passed the first successful test, Poroshenko quotes Vedomosti. “It can accurately hit both land and sea targets.”

Earlier, the successful testing was announced by the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Oleksandr Turchynov, publishing a photo and video of the tests.

“Today, successful first flight tests of a Ukrainian cruise missile — an effective, high-precision weapon that can destroy enemy targets — land and sea targets — took place at long range,” the newspaper VIEW quoted him. As is known, the APU did not have cruise missiles (KR) after signing the Budapest Memorandum in 1994. After the collapse of the USSR, more than 1000 strategic air-conditioned X-22 airborne tanks were used in Ukraine for use by Tu-160 and Tu-95 bombers. Partially they were destroyed, in part - transferred to Russia.

“And this rocket can bend around the terrain, yes. And it is being prepared in the format of land, sea and air basing, ”Poroshenko’s advisor Yury Biryukov added on Tuesday evening not without pride.

The video shows the launch of a rocket from a transport and launch container. Apparently, we are talking about the anti-ship cruise missile "Neptune", which was developed by the Kiev design bureau "Luch", and is produced in cooperation with several Ukrainian enterprises, including Kharkov aviation factory and Motor Sich. The network noted that the missile is similar in design to the Soviet anti-ship missile X-35.

Russian generals did not believe Turchinov

Russian politicians took the news from Kiev with irony. The Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, General Vladimir Shamanov, regarded the statement of Kiev politicians as nothing more than “propaganda”.

“They have all the resources for propaganda, but launching rockets requires special preparation. More than once we have witnessed loud statements, for which there was nothing, ”Shamanov reminded the newspaper VIEW. “And now they are trying to prove to us that there are missiles.”

And his first deputy, General Victor Zavarzin, called to treat such messages with humor. “Tomorrow we can be told that they have a flying tank,” Zavarzin told the newspaper VIEW. - We must not forget that at some point in Ukraine the funding of scientific departments ceased. Yes, the experts are still there. But they are unlikely to be able to develop a new rocket. Maybe on the basis of the old Soviet one, but I doubt it. ”

Military analysts also perceived the statement of Kiev as a “misinformation”, but only partially.

“Most likely, the claims that this rocket can go around the relief is not true,”

- Konstantin Sivkov, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences, told the newspaper VIEW, who, by the way, did not rule out that another Soviet rocket, the sea P-120, formed the basis of the Ukrainian development. “Firstly, the flight support system with the rounding of the terrain for small-sized rockets is a rather complicated system that was created only in the territory of the RSFSR. Secondly, the rounding of the relief makes sense only in cases when it comes to shooting at long distances, ”he explained.

“A rocket of such a class as the P-120 or X-35, or derivatives, differ from them in a small range. Therefore, it makes no sense to make such systems on these missiles. And to ensure the production of such systems, you must have the appropriate electronics. I do not see the material and technical base in Ukraine in order to create such a rocket, ”concluded Sivkov.

“But they have no electronics, guidance systems, housing”

In August 16 of the year, we recall, Poroshenko announced a program of re-equipment of the Ukrainian army, including the task of creating cruise missiles. But the first vice-president of the Russian Union of Engineers, Ivan Andrievsky, in an interview with the newspaper VIEW, then expressed doubts about the veracity of Poroshenko’s words.

“They can do something in a very large cooperation with the US or the EU, under their leadership, using their remaining capacities,” he stressed. - They made engines at Yuzhmash and can continue to make them there. But they do not have everything else - electronics, guidance systems, housing. "

Experts noticed that from the video it was not even clear whether the missile hit at least some target. However, this was not even announced. Neither its flight range, nor the presence of a target designation and homing system is known yet, and this is the most important parameter for a rocket.

“The main issue is in the homing head,” Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the magazine National Defense, told the VIEW newspaper. - Can Ukraine produce such heads under current conditions? The big question. That is, the concept of starting and flying a certain distance without reference to the defeat of a specific goal is being worked out. The works are at the initial stage. ”

The fact that the Ukrainian rocket is a modernization of the X-35, is indicated by similar dimensions and a characteristic trace from the operation of a solid-fuel engine, told the head of the department of political science and sociology of the PRUE. Plekhanov Andrey Koshkin. “The rocket is reliable, it has a great potential for modernization, I suppose, Ukrainian developers have taken advantage of this,” the expert added. The expert made a reservation that even in Soviet times, since the start of production of cruise missiles in 1984, successful launches could only be made four years later. And only in the 2003 year, after substantial modernization, it began to enter into service with the Russian army.

The head of the analytical AST Center, a member of the public council at the Ministry of Defense, Ruslan Pukhov, also took the tests in Ukraine seriously. In his opinion, the Ukrainian rocket projects (Neptune and Thunder-2) should not be underestimated. “There is a threat of the deployment in a few years of serious and relatively high-precision weapons systems of a hostile state in close proximity to important and densely populated regions of Russia, including Moscow,” the expert warned in an interview with MK.

“From a military point of view, this threat will require strengthening the air defense and missile defense systems of Moscow and the entire Central Region, but in any case these systems will complicate the military-political situation, and for the leadership of Ukraine they will become a powerful political propaganda argument about the alleged“ intimidation of Moscow ”. “In a good way,” Pukhov advised, “It would be desirable for Russia to prevent the deployment or creation of such systems in Ukraine altogether.”

A scientific editor of the magazine "Arms Export" Mikhail Barabanov does not exclude that the rocket will become a direct threat to Russia in 10 years.
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  1. vlad007
    vlad007 3 February 2018 06: 25
    +5
    It is not known whether Ukraine will be in ten years, and this is NOT a joke. Yugoslavia was and where is Yugoslavia now?
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 3 February 2018 06: 30
      +4
      Any weapon aimed at people brings misfortune and in the hands of dill all the more so, no matter how they are vilified, but they still have rocket specialists from Soviet times
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 3 February 2018 09: 35
      +1
      Outside Ukraine, heating was turned off at universities, and students were allowed to go home to heat in order to save money. What can be the conversation about the mass production of rockets?
      1. Evdokim
        Evdokim 3 February 2018 10: 25
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        What can be the conversation about the mass production of rockets?

        Outside Ukraine, they cannot make a tank, but here are the missiles. laughing
        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 3 February 2018 10: 50
          +3
          Quote: Evdokim
          Outside Ukraine, they cannot make a tank, but here are the missiles.

          Believe me, on TOM (armored vehicles) that they ALREADY have, they can keep the database for a very long time.
          Especially in the conditions when they were given a respite in THREE (!!!) years to recover from the devastating defeats of 2014 and early 2015.

          And there will be a respite, until the Nord Stream 2 is operational.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 3 February 2018 14: 12
            +3
            I completely agree with you. And I’ll add. And in general there will be a respite. For sanctions. This is where we giggle. And for those who are still acting in the Kremlin.
            Quote: Separ DNR
            Quote: Evdokim
            Outside Ukraine, they cannot make a tank, but here are the missiles.

            Believe me, on TOM (armored vehicles) that they ALREADY have, they can keep the database for a very long time.
            Especially in the conditions when they were given a respite in THREE (!!!) years to recover from the devastating defeats of 2014 and early 2015.

            And there will be a respite, until the Nord Stream 2 is operational.
    3. Astoria
      Astoria 3 February 2018 09: 45
      +2
      For four years they almost came close to the level of the Republic of the Congo, 10 years is an eternity.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 3 February 2018 14: 09
      +2
      Will. And you think that it will fall apart. Yugoslavia had to fall apart. And the Western countries did it. They will not ruin Ukraine. For this is a deterrent to our country. And the economy and the people? Who of the authorities does it care about now?
      Quote: vlad007
      It is not known whether Ukraine will be in ten years, and this is NOT a joke. Yugoslavia was and where is Yugoslavia now?
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  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 February 2018 06: 44
    +2
    Ukraine will have a real threat to Russia in ten years

    And where will it be, this unnecessary one, “in ten years” and in what form?!? bully
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 February 2018 06: 59
    +1
    I do not think that Ukraine’s attempts to create “new” types of weapons, which so far turned out to be Soviet developments at best, remain without attention in the Russian Defense Ministry. And what will happen in ten years with this country is a big question.
  5. eugraphus
    eugraphus 3 February 2018 07: 18
    10
    The Russian Gauges impressed, especially the Ukrainians. Now they are dreaming that once and on their news they will report, and most importantly show, spectacular launches of domestic cruise missiles on the "aggressor". In their sick imagination, dozens of missiles fly away into the distance. "Death to the thieves!", - "Receive, Muscovites swear, for all the years of our humiliation!" The inferiority complex gnaws, corrodes from the inside, requires revenge. Each cruise missile costs a million bucks, but does anyone think about it. Now they will stick pies and throw a hated neighbor. Peremoga is already close. And then the most pleasant thing is the division of the defeated Russia. Naturally, the most tidbits of Ukraine. Wow Dreams Dreams! My head is spinning! ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 3 February 2018 08: 22
      +2
      True, it’s noticed ... Missiles of this class are weapons of the rich ... So Ukrainians need to Palestine ... There are cheaper models ...
  6. Romey
    Romey 3 February 2018 08: 31
    +5
    Oh, such good-natured sentiments of the generals are not good ... Something similar happened at the beginning of the 20th century before the war with Japan. But then, even completely stupid people like A.N. Kuropatkina treated Japan in a similar way. And when day D arrived, it turned out that Port Arthur, which seemed to be an unshakable stronghold, was not ready as a naval base, that it was impossible to transfer the necessary forces and means through weak communications, that the Japanese had an efficient, highly motivated army and a strong fleet. The insight was cruel. But APU is not at all the same as in 2014. This will confirm any of the militias and volunteers. This is a serious, combat-ready, slowly but surely pumped up by armament and equipment, possessing a fired mob reserve and motivated specifically for the war with the Russian Federation personnel.
    1. alavrin
      alavrin 3 February 2018 09: 01
      +2
      Read less Ukrainian newspapers. The point is not even in the army, but in the economic power of the state. With current reserves, Ukraine can conduct combat operations for a maximum of 2 weeks. Especially if Russia finally ceases to sell them fuel and lubricants.
      1. Separ DNR
        Separ DNR 3 February 2018 11: 12
        0
        Quote: alavrin
        With current reserves, Ukraine can conduct combat operations for a maximum of 2 weeks. Especially if Russia finally ceases to sell them fuel and lubricants.

        I will not dispute your assessment of the potential of the APU, but I will write about ours.

        Yesterday, 20:56 | Lukashevich: There can be no talk of the return of Russian officers to the JCCC in the status of “aggressors”
        Quote: Stroporez
        Does it even have a boiler room?

        Quote: Separ DNR
        With this more or less. Practically, one might say, not even bad.
        The experiments really survived, when they were transferred specifically to the "boiler".
        But now (due to lack of diesel fuel) again returned to the issuance of "dry".


        Dare that we have strained with a solarium? HARD TENSION.
    2. Antares
      Antares 3 February 2018 12: 12
      +3
      Quote: romey
      Port Arthur is not ready as a naval base

      just the defense from the sea was ready on it, but the land and the horse did not roll. Who thought that Sevastopol 2 would happen laughing it's like winter, always unexpected.
      I sometimes think that all the haters work exclusively for Ukraine / the sworn West / some other English women ... laughing
  7. Inquisitive
    Inquisitive 3 February 2018 10: 40
    +1
    In Ukraine, every week they announce another “breakthrough” in military-scientific thought, but for some reason all these novelties are based on Soviet weapons of the 80-90s of the last century and always in single copies. When industry is destroyed, scientists are hungry and there is no money, you can only drive propaganda ...
  8. PPD
    PPD 3 February 2018 10: 55
    0
    Trouble with these guys.
    All their activities are not aimed at development, not at creation, but exclusively to show Russia something there.
    THOSE. destructive in essence. How can a state develop normally in such settings?
    The words r gine, Ukraine has not yet died, in a modern way. Life affirming.
  9. Old26
    Old26 3 February 2018 11: 07
    +7
    The article is a huge minus for hatred on the Russian side. Particularly striking is the opinion of ex-generals. It seems that when they leave the service, as someone correctly wrote once, they pass in secret not only special literature and special notebooks, but sometimes brains

    Quote: Inquisitive
    In Ukraine, every week they announce another “breakthrough” in military-scientific thought, but for some reason all these novelties are based on Soviet weapons of the 80-90s of the last century and always in single copies. When industry is destroyed, scientists are hungry and there is no money, you can only drive propaganda ...

    An interesting situation is obtained. When we say that Ukraine has combat-ready units and some opportunities - this is Ukrainian propaganda, and when we say that their scientists are sitting without food and warmth and everything is collapsed, then whose propaganda is this?
    Do not underestimate the enemy. The main design bureaus are NOT DIVIDED. Yes, factories do not work to the extent that under the Union, but nonetheless exist. And Ukraine, for example, fulfills its obligations to ESA by supplying stages for Vega space rockets. And then what is not a statement, then hehanki and hahanki general

    “They have all the resources for propaganda, but launching rockets requires special preparation. More than once we have witnessed loud statements, for which there was nothing, ”Shamanov reminded the newspaper VIEW. “And now they are trying to prove to us that there are missiles.”

    Sorry, but respected by all, the former commander of the Airborne Forces carries an outright blizzard. What, do you need some extra complex systems, powerful mine complexes, or is it enough just a launch "pipe" to launch this rocket? And even the former Ukrainian fleet has such launchers

    And his first deputy, General Victor Zavarzin, called to treat such messages with humor. “Tomorrow we can be told that they have a flying tank,” Zavarzin told the newspaper VIEW. - We must not forget that at some point in Ukraine the funding of scientific departments ceased. Yes, the experts are still there. But they are unlikely to be able to develop a new rocket. Maybe on the basis of the old Soviet one, but I doubt it. ”

    I don’t know where this general already saw humor, but the fact that work in the military-industrial complex of Ukrainians is underway can only be finished to deny ..... "Alder" - did? Done. Good or bad is another matter. Work on the "thunder" is underway - underway. Let there be development on the basis of the old Soviet ATGMs too. And they like to take armor as examples only and draw a conclusion throughout the military-industrial complex.
    Now, too, scientific departments are not funded in Ukraine (according to the general)? And if there are specialists left, if there is funding, if there are production facilities to one degree or another, then why aren't these specialists able to develop a new rocket? Something with a general with logic is not very

    “Most likely, the claims that this rocket can go around the relief is not true,”
    - Konstantin Sivkov, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences, told the newspaper VIEW, who, by the way, did not rule out that another Soviet rocket, the sea P-120, formed the basis of the Ukrainian development. “Firstly, the flight support system with the rounding of the terrain for small-sized rockets is a rather complicated system that was created only in the territory of the RSFSR. Secondly, the rounding of the relief makes sense only in cases when it comes to shooting at long distances, ”he explained.

    Well, Sivkov, as always, burns. And if his thought about the envelope is sound enough from the point of view of pointlessness to put it on a rocket with a short range, then sorry that this missile is made on the basis of the P-120 rocket, also known as the "Malachite" is sucked from a finger
    1. Antares
      Antares 3 February 2018 12: 16
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Sivkov, as always burns

      because there’s a little imagination of some in the second and second. But in reality they confuse Korshun and Neptune.

      Suitable for description-surface envelope?
      subsonic type
  10. Dormidont
    Dormidont 3 February 2018 11: 38
    0
    Unscientific fiction. Svidomo would stand a day, but the night hold out
  11. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 3 February 2018 11: 38
    0
    Quote: Old26
    The article is a huge minus for hatred on the Russian side. Particularly striking is the opinion of ex-generals. It seems that when they leave the service, as someone correctly wrote once, they pass in secret not only special literature and special notebooks, but sometimes brains

    Quote: Inquisitive
    In Ukraine, every week they announce another “breakthrough” in military-scientific thought, but for some reason all these novelties are based on Soviet weapons of the 80-90s of the last century and always in single copies. When industry is destroyed, scientists are hungry and there is no money, you can only drive propaganda ...

    An interesting situation is obtained. When we say that Ukraine has combat-ready units and some opportunities - this is Ukrainian propaganda, and when we say that their scientists are sitting without food and warmth and everything is collapsed, then whose propaganda is this?
    Do not underestimate the enemy. The main design bureaus are NOT DIVIDED. Yes, factories do not work to the extent that under the Union, but nonetheless exist. And Ukraine, for example, fulfills its obligations to ESA by supplying stages for Vega space rockets. And then what is not a statement, then hehanki and hahanki general

    “They have all the resources for propaganda, but launching rockets requires special preparation. More than once we have witnessed loud statements, for which there was nothing, ”Shamanov reminded the newspaper VIEW. “And now they are trying to prove to us that there are missiles.”

    Sorry, but respected by all, the former commander of the Airborne Forces carries an outright blizzard. What, do you need some extra complex systems, powerful mine complexes, or is it enough just a launch "pipe" to launch this rocket? And even the former Ukrainian fleet has such launchers

    And his first deputy, General Victor Zavarzin, called to treat such messages with humor. “Tomorrow we can be told that they have a flying tank,” Zavarzin told the newspaper VIEW. - We must not forget that at some point in Ukraine the funding of scientific departments ceased. Yes, the experts are still there. But they are unlikely to be able to develop a new rocket. Maybe on the basis of the old Soviet one, but I doubt it. ”

    I don’t know where this general already saw humor, but the fact that work in the military-industrial complex of Ukrainians is underway can only be finished to deny ..... "Alder" - did? Done. Good or bad is another matter. Work on the "thunder" is underway - underway. Let there be development on the basis of the old Soviet ATGMs too. And they like to take armor as examples only and draw a conclusion throughout the military-industrial complex.
    Now, too, scientific departments are not funded in Ukraine (according to the general)? And if there are specialists left, if there is funding, if there are production facilities to one degree or another, then why aren't these specialists able to develop a new rocket? Something with a general with logic is not very

    “Most likely, the claims that this rocket can go around the relief is not true,”
    - Konstantin Sivkov, corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Rocket and Artillery Sciences, told the newspaper VIEW, who, by the way, did not rule out that another Soviet rocket, the sea P-120, formed the basis of the Ukrainian development. “Firstly, the flight support system with the rounding of the terrain for small-sized rockets is a rather complicated system that was created only in the territory of the RSFSR. Secondly, the rounding of the relief makes sense only in cases when it comes to shooting at long distances, ”he explained.

    Well, Sivkov, as always, burns. And if his thought about the envelope is sound enough from the point of view of pointlessness to put it on a rocket with a short range, then sorry that this missile is made on the basis of the P-120 rocket, also known as the "Malachite" is sucked from a finger

    Well, I think our military intelligence and the Soviet Army are not sleeping, the situation is being controlled, and the Ukrainians are starting to stuff the media about their achievements in the military-industrial complex right after or before they tell us something
  12. iouris
    iouris 3 February 2018 12: 11
    0
    The Ukraine project has been a real threat for over 25 years, since it began the real destruction of the USSR’s nuclear (naval, tank, human, industrial, scientific ...) potential and the collapse of Russia-USSR. You just have to open your eyes.
  13. Antares
    Antares 3 February 2018 12: 22
    +1
    Ukrainian missile program includes
    Alder
    Thunder 2
    Kite
    and other types
    Since everyone writes in the complex - Russian generals, they read the TTX campaign from the press. And let's drive the blizzard that the RCC is not KR .. well, and the standard "no money" we are not afraid of the gray wolf
    I repeat in my opinion, Ukraine will not develop combat aircraft (new aircraft) expensively, there is no reserve / there are still old twigs and drying. Will go to drones and rockets. There is a backlog.
    And caps .... oh well let them be, they help Ukraine. I read Murza, he was desperately trying to convey the thought of the harmfulness of this, but it is in the blood. Few Sevastopol / Port Arturov / 1914 / 1941-42 ... rake all our ..
    I don’t even know whether it’s good for me personally as a Ukrainian that hats help or bad that hats form an opinion. But for Ukraine, it’s good.
  14. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 3 February 2018 12: 28
    +4
    Ukrainians have full documentation on the X-35. And they did a throw test of the layout. With the guidance system they will help mattresses and Israel. While Vovchik chewing snot, they accumulate strength, and then beat. And again there will be the 41st with his songs about a sudden attack ... wassat
    1. Astoria
      Astoria 3 February 2018 12: 35
      +1
      Start the sofa and go forward to Turchinov to select the layout of the rocket. hi
    2. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 3 February 2018 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      While Vovchik chewing snot, they accumulate strength, and then beat. And again there will be the 41st with his songs about a sudden attack ...

      Hit. Only not for you, but for us ...
      Without a coalition with NATO, an attack on Russia cannot be and will not be resolved. It is another matter to try to crush us ...
    3. alavrin
      alavrin 3 February 2018 13: 13
      0
      The war of the 21st century without the Air Force and Navy? Of course, the parcels - but do not overestimate their idiocy.
  15. Old26
    Old26 3 February 2018 13: 01
    0
    Quote: Antares
    Quote: Old26
    Sivkov, as always burns

    because there’s a little imagination of some in the second and second. But in reality they confuse Korshun and Neptune.

    Suitable for description-surface envelope?
    subsonic type

    But in all the photographs this is not this, but “Neptune” (in the girlhood “Uranus” 0. On “Kite” - yes, I agree, this can be realized, especially since its range is by no means a hundred kilometers

    Quote: Dormidont
    Unscientific fiction. Svidomo would stand a day, but the night hold out

    Where? At the front or in the design bureau. This is how KB works, whether we want it or not.

    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    Well, I think our military intelligence and the Soviet Army are not sleeping, the situation is being controlled, and the Ukrainians are starting to stuff the media about their achievements in the military-industrial complex right after or before they tell us something

    So our intelligence is silent. since it is obliged to give verified information. But politicians and various analysts - PR on anything. Even if it runs counter to logic and reality. The main thing to do with respect to Ukraine is to say that there are only national bats and banderlogs, everyone else is sitting quietly on the railway ... they don’t work, they don’t do anything, because Ukraine can’t do it a priori
  16. Mestny
    Mestny 3 February 2018 14: 33
    0
    Quote: Old26
    So our intelligence is silent. insofar as it is obliged to give verified information. But politicians and various analysts - PR on anything.

    Vladimir Vladimirovich, are you?
    Okay, the Internet is silent, and it should be silent. Well, they don’t even report to you?
    Disorder.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 February 2018 14: 51
    0
    If Ukraine has the opportunity to shy away from the Russian Federation (and it still exists), then the issue of use is not entirely simple .... After all, by using weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation (during the conflict with the DPR), Ukraine will receive a blow to its troops directly in the DPR and DPR and the LPR will gladly go smash the ukrovermaht left without armored vehicles, fuel, warehouses ... There is a double-edged sword.
  18. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 3 February 2018 15: 22
    +2
    That's bad luck, parts for the second launch of the rocket could not be taken out. )))
    "A Ukrainian was trying to take out a spare part from an anti-aircraft missile system from Russia ... *
  19. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 3 February 2018 15: 23
    +1
    however, Ukrainians again paraffinized - there was one rocket and it was launched. there will be no more gifts!
    now only the launcher will be shown for the "latest ukroraketi" :)
  20. ccsr
    ccsr 3 February 2018 15: 53
    0
    Author: Alexey Nechaev, Maria Voronova
    We must not forget that at some point in Ukraine funding for scientific departments ceased. Yes, experts still remained there. But they are unlikely to be able to develop a new rocket. Maybe on the basis of the old Soviet, but I doubt

    After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine did not carry out any serious R&D in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, and those who were engaged in military science in the Armed Forces did not hide it. So the tests of this rocket are just blowing dust into the eyes and the next cut - mass production they will not master in life, because the base has long been lost.
  21. Old26
    Old26 3 February 2018 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: Mestny
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, are you?
    Okay, the Internet is silent, and it should be silent. Well, they don’t even report to you?
    Disorder.

    Mistaken a bit. Vladimir, but not Vladimirovich. At least I do not try to draw conclusions about the complete inability of Ukraine to produce something there. But BP and SVR do the right thing. Who needs it - they know, but not PR specialists from the State Duma ...

    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    That's bad luck, parts for the second launch of the rocket could not be taken out. )))
    "A Ukrainian was trying to take out a spare part from an anti-aircraft missile system from Russia ... *

    And what side of the air defense system to a cruise missile? Or the main thing is that there should be more sarcasm regarding Ukraine? Is it true or not - a matter of third importance
  22. Wolka
    Wolka 3 February 2018 17: 10
    +1
    in any case, this Ukrainian project requires attention and system monitoring ...
  23. Labor
    Labor 3 February 2018 18: 55
    0
    Quote: iouris
    The Ukraine project has been a real threat for over 25 years

    Let the Slavs help each other there, and here we will lie on our mattress with popcorn, toss firewood if necessary. Well, we’ll deal with BV without assistants.
  24. ccsr
    ccsr 3 February 2018 20: 57
    0
    Quote: Volka
    in any case, this Ukrainian project requires attention and system monitoring ...

    Actually, we need to monitor the territory of the United States and for this, first of all, we need to restore Lourdes. And we can cope with dill projects without any tension - they themselves will run to trade secrets if it is good for them to pay treason.
  25. tractor driver73
    tractor driver73 3 February 2018 21: 01
    +1
    And where is the guarantee that the US Tomahawk will not be deployed under the guise of a Ukrainian rocket?
    1. Fedorov
      Fedorov 3 February 2018 23: 38
      +1
      And where is the guarantee that with the humanitarian aid in the DPR-LPR, the CLUB-k will not roll request
      I and Kord held in my hands and Pecheneg, for example, where did we get them? wink Truth really failed.
      1. Antares
        Antares 4 February 2018 20: 41
        0
        Quote: Fedorov
        in the DNR-LNR CLUB-k will not roll

        Yes, even Topol M. All in the course about Voentorg. In addition, they have long ceased to be shy. In the video, why not see "not Ukrainian" "wrung out" found in mines "
        Ukraine is what if it launches on its territory. And here is the Club
        Concern Morinformsistema-Agat is unlikely to be delivered to ORDiLO. But in cases where the missile race continues. After Kramatorsk, the "far hand" is very necessary for the Ukrainians.
  26. Fedorov
    Fedorov 3 February 2018 23: 30
    +3
    For example, in the Kiev Polytechnic (like a university now), now a goat of a diploma costs 300 tanks, a cool diploma of 500, a course -50 tank, the credit is just -30. This is at my former faculty of computer science and computer engineering, the department of automatic control systems and automation. It’s a shame already that I studied there, Korolev, by the way, was the same - he had failed-math and drove out. Such a mess.
    And what ultimately can they come up with with such specialists?
    If we found the collapse, when you go to hell with a top-secret building - a personal pass, otherwise the sergeant can shoot, now go for a walk there.
    This is me, a lyrical digression, about the level of higher technical education in Ukraine,
    I talked recently with 4th year students. , I wanted a glass of vodka. Immediately they don’t care at all that the 1st derivative, that the integral. What is magnetron, what is local oscillator. Smoke, beer devour between floors. That's just about the word of the tank stutter - all specialists.
    There are truth and exceptions, a rare suit.
  27. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 4 February 2018 15: 50
    +1
    Quote: Fedorov
    There are truth and exceptions, a rare suit.


    You probably about this? laughing

  28. ccsr
    ccsr 4 February 2018 21: 30
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    Quote: Antares
    After Kramatorsk, the "far hand" is very necessary for the Ukrainians.

    Ukrainians need more sanity, and don’t lift their legs on Russia — not only will they tear off their legs, but their heads will be rolled up if only one of the Svidomo rips. So Ukrainians should not create cruise missiles, but try not to tease the bear ....
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 February 2018 12: 02
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      Quote: ccsr
      Ukrainians need more sanity, and don’t lift their legs on Russia — not only will they tear off their legs, but their heads will be rolled up if only one of the Svidomo rips. T

      No sanity will help the weak. They will tear off as sticky and will argue that it is so right and you need to come to terms.
      Mind + power is what you need.
      By the way, the rocket for study was given to the Russian Federation by Ukraine under Kuchma.
  29. ccsr
    ccsr 5 February 2018 13: 00
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    Quote: Antares
    Mind + power is what you need.

    A lot of intelligence is not necessary to understand that Ukraine will never be able to defeat Russia, which means that all dances with a tambourine must be left for the Papuans.
  30. shuravi
    shuravi 5 February 2018 16: 59
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    Let's not forget that Russians are Belarusians + Little Russians + Great Russians.
    In the days of the USSR, Little Russia was considered too derogatory, and Great Russia was too pretentious because some became Ukrainians and others Russians.
    But, in the days of the USSR, it did not matter, and after the collapse thereof, our enemies were used with might and main.
    Alas, they understand better than us that Belarusians + Little Russians + Great Russians are all three branches of one ethnic group.
    And therefore, they are using the current discord with might and main.
    Everything suits them, and the death of soldiers from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the militia of the LDNR, because in the end, the Russians die.
  31. FLOOD
    FLOOD 6 February 2018 09: 05
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    If Ukraine has the opportunity to shy away from the Russian Federation (and it still exists), then the issue of use is not entirely simple .... After all, by using weapons on the territory of the Russian Federation (during the conflict with the DPR), Ukraine will receive a blow to its troops directly in the DPR and DPR and the LPR will gladly go smash the ukrovermaht left without armored vehicles, fuel, warehouses ... There is a double-edged sword.

    It seems to me that they underestimate the APU in Russia. Along the way now there are only flowers, and soon there will be berries. It is regrettable of course to state the fact of confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, but a large-scale war cannot be avoided. Russia missed the Ukrainian brains through which it could influence the internal political situation. I regret and worry for both people ...
  32. ccsr
    ccsr 6 February 2018 13: 16
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    Quote: TUFAN
    It seems to me that they underestimate the APU in Russia.

    It is not a matter of assessing the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but of the political decision of the Russian leadership to strike all over Ukraine — will it be enough or not if svidomye try to enter our territory in Georgia or fire at our settlements.
  33. ccsr
    ccsr 6 February 2018 17: 54
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    Here is the opinion of a man who studied the Ukrainian military:
    Israeli major Viktor Vertsner, who fought in the Donbass as a mercenary, told everything he thinks about the Ukrainian army in his facebook. The result was a devastating post, which, of course, caused a storm of indignation in Ukraine. According to the Israeli, the APU has countless problems. He singled out the main ones: the dullness and unsuitability of officers, the syndrome of the “strongest army on the continent,” the outdated training system, the humiliating attitude towards soldiers, nepotism, the thirst for window dressing, and total corruption. As usual, the gracious picture that Poroshenko and Co. paints did not pass the test of reality. Peter’s “strongest army on the continent” is a “complex” in the eyes of the Israeli major. But Werzner will not be able to blame the work for the Kremlin.

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