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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recommends that the United States either exclude flights at the borders of Russia, or agree on rules.

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recommends that the United States in the future either exclude flights from the Russian borders, or agree on the rules for their implementation. This was reported on Thursday at the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.


The aerospace forces will continue to provide reliable protection of the borders of the airspace of the Russian Federation. If, for American pilots, awareness of this fact is the cause of depressions and phobias, we recommend that in the future, the American side exclude such flights from Russian borders or return to the negotiating table and agree on the rules for their implementation.
- said the department, commenting on the statements of the Pentagon about the unsafe interception of January 29 by the Russian Su-27 fighter of the American EP-3 electronic surveillance aircraft over the neutral waters of the Black Sea near the Crimea.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recommends that the United States either exclude flights at the borders of Russia, or agree on rules.


The Defense Ministry stressed that the Su-27 maneuvers were standard, legal and safe for an American aircraft.

We would like to remind the commander of the 67th tactical air group of the 6th fleet Bill Ellis that Crimea is an integral part of the Russian Federation
- noted in the Russian defense ministry.

According to the Russian military, the United States, sending pilots to conduct reconnaissance in this area of ​​the Black Sea, must take into account that they will be met there by Russian fighters, not by Ukrainian partners, or they will issue new maps to all the crews with correctly marked borders of Russia.

Also note that for the Russian fighter aviation The “interception" of air targets approaching the state border with the transponders turned off lasts a few minutes. Therefore, the actions of the Russian Su-27, which suppressed more than two hours and twenty minutes the attempts of the American reconnaissance aircraft ER-3E Aries II to approach the border of the airspace of the Russian Federation in the Crimea, are correctly called "escort"
- stressed in MO.

They also noted that the maneuvers of NATO fighters in relation to the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces "absolutely do not affect the actions of our crews."

Similar maneuvers of NATO fighters in relation to the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces flying over the waters of the Baltic, Barents, Norwegian, Northern and other seas have absolutely no effect on the actions of our crews
- Said in the department, reports Tass
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  1. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 1 February 2018 15: 33 New
    +9
    And if they agree, then what will we discuss? recourse request
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 1 February 2018 15: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And if you agree


      With whom to agree there, then
    2. novel66
      novel66 1 February 2018 15: 41 New
      11
      Yes, to hell, then agree, our topic!
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 1 February 2018 16: 00 New
        +4
        they cannot provide so many diapers to their pilots - the budget is already sawn, and there are no additional funds request
        1. cniza
          cniza 1 February 2018 16: 11 New
          13
          The United States does not want to get used to the idea that it is no longer possible to approach our borders with impunity and engage in provocations.
          1. BABAY22
            BABAY22 1 February 2018 17: 17 New
            +5
            Well, adversaries, they listen to our broadcast. If my memory serves me right, then take at least a similar incident over the Baltic, covered in print several years ago. The team with KP cools the ardor of uninvited guests best:
            "Enable Master"
            1. cniza
              cniza 1 February 2018 17: 32 New
              +3
              The most important thing that interests them is to identify our air defense system.
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 2 February 2018 01: 59 New
                +3
                Quote: cniza
                The most important thing that interests them is to identify our air defense system.

                ... well, then they don’t recognize anything from the standby mode of the RTV ... hi
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 2 February 2018 02: 56 New
                  +1
                  Alexey, hello to night shift workers hi
                  ... well, then they don’t recognize anything from the standby mode of the RTV ...

                  If only they had invented something so that they had all the on-board equipment going crazy. Calling it "Scarecrow", for these ravens it will be. wink
                  1. Pete mitchell
                    Pete mitchell 2 February 2018 05: 55 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    Calling it "Scarecrow", for these ravens it will be. wink

                    Sergei hi in order for their brains to work in the right direction, they often need to remind Vasily Tsymbal, gored P-3 Orion, and often air, as mentioned above: The main one is on.
                    These earplugs listened to our broadcast and recorded voices from cadet times, they know many by name and from the time of the year, Tsymbal told that they told him about his family on the air ...
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 3 February 2018 00: 01 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Alexey, hello to night shift workers

                      ... it's not mine ... Mother Earth is so arranged ... and Country Russia ... when Alexander Romanov и Bongo ... have breakfast, I just have to go to bed ... and, if you estimate with Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky ... laughing ... I've always loved My Country ... you fly out from Chita “yesterday”, and you fly to Moscow “today” ... summer is only 8 hours ... but the number on the calendar does not change ... wink
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      If only they had invented something so that they had all the on-board equipment going crazy. Calling it "Scarecrow", for these ravens it will be.

                      ... so who will be the “firing” of the Battle ... that’s how they “matzo” like schoolchildren ... they suddenly hope to be “across” ... wassat
                      Quote: Pete Mitchell
                      reminiscent of Vasily Tsymbal, gored P-3 Orion

                      ... below He commemorated him with a capital letter, the kingdom of heaven is untimely, he left untimely ... then the foreign helicopter will blow off the deck, it will "mark" Vrazhina "with an emergency reset ... here the P-3C" rocked "..." and four fans "fell off" faster than two reactive ... wink
                      1. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell 3 February 2018 00: 52 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Inok10
                        His capital letter, the kingdom of heaven to him, prematurely left ... then a foreign helicopter blows off the deck, then "mark" Vrazhin " wink

                        I like the story of the helicopter most of all - Man, it's good that he arrived at the club of his name. Photo below from your album?
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 3 February 2018 01: 05 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        I like the story of the helicopter most of all - Man, it's good that he arrived at the club of his name.

                        ... knew this History since the 90s ... it just so happened ...
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        Photo below from your album?

                        ... No ! ... Guardsmen Chkalovtsy are to blame ... hi
                  2. novel66
                    novel66 2 February 2018 06: 54 New
                    +3
                    Serge hi think fine! call her Putin!
          2. Partyzan
            Partyzan 2 February 2018 17: 05 New
            0
            Quote: cniza
            The US doesn't want to get used to the idea

            but will have to request
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 2 February 2018 14: 13 New
          0
          Such commentators are killing me ... do you really think that the Amer pilots, sailors and special forces are such nurses and pisses ... well, well, I really wish you not to face them in battle ... never! What a crazy strategy to underestimate the enemy because she was always losing ... what are you ... phew, no words!
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 1 February 2018 18: 45 New
        +8
        If for American pilots awareness of this fact is the cause of depression and phobias, we recommend that the American side in the future remove such routes from the Russian borders or return to the negotiating table and agree on the rules for their implementation

        That is, they accompanied and will accompany yes what if
        therefore, the actions of the Russian Su-27, which suppressed for more than two hours and twenty minutes the attempts of the American reconnaissance aircraft ER-3E Aries II to approach the border of the airspace of the Russian Federation in the Crimea, are correctly called "escort

        violate the border and can drop inadvertently. wink
        We would like to remind the commander of the 67 th tactical air group of the 6 fleet, Bill Ellis, that Crimea is an integral part of the Russian Federation

        Sit on the priest exactly Billy. wink
        Similar maneuvers of NATO fighters in relation to the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces flying over the waters of the Baltic, Barents, Norwegian, Northern and other seas have absolutely no effect on the actions of our crews

        We flew and we will fly, your fighters accompany and let them accompany. yes
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 February 2018 21: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And if they agree, then what will we discuss? recourse request

      Actually, from the time of the USSR, there were agreements, just the mattresses decided that the Russian Federation is not the Union and will not so vomit over flights from reconnaissance aircraft.
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 1 February 2018 15: 33 New
    +7
    But the fact that? Here is the answer, as usual, no.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 1 February 2018 15: 44 New
      +9
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      But the fact that? Here is the answer, as usual, no.

      I'm sorry, what? So the mattresses will return to their airfield in charred diapers in a state of deep depression.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 2 February 2018 14: 18 New
        0
        What stupid you are ... DONALDOKUKOVTSY ... remember, not the soldiers were offended, not the soldiers wear diapers ... but the generals in public relations ..! Well, as little children as I swear, yes we amers with one left if that , but they won’t be able to fight without diapers and sneakers! And ask how our veterans did, how soft they siduli battered Shermans, but warm sheepskin coats dragged from allied equipment! Bazaar was off topic, people always wanted comfort, even in civilian life at war!
    2. mihey
      mihey 1 February 2018 15: 45 New
      +2
      Is the difference in meaning between “interception” and “escort” not an answer?
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 1 February 2018 15: 49 New
        +7
        Quote: mihey
        Is the difference in meaning between “interception” and “escort” not an answer?
        We are doing this with success, look wider.
        1. mihey
          mihey 1 February 2018 15: 58 New
          +4
          No need to look for width where everything is said specifically.
          1. Rusland
            Rusland 1 February 2018 16: 09 New
            +9
            Quote: mihey
            No need to look for width where everything is said specifically.

            Clearly not a strategist.
  3. starogil
    starogil 1 February 2018 15: 43 New
    +6
    U-2 flights stopped only after being shot down.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 1 February 2018 15: 51 New
      +7
      So in front of U2 shot down almost a dozen RB47. Also over our territory. Slowly reaches them.
      But one day they will run into the “emotional” pilot, she-she!
      1. starogil
        starogil 1 February 2018 16: 10 New
        0
        Yes, it’s time ....
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 1 February 2018 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Vlad.by
        But one day they will run into the “emotional” pilot, she-she!

        Which immediately will go on promotion in rank and position!
        1. taiga2018
          taiga2018 1 February 2018 16: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Tol100v
          Which immediately will go on promotion in rank and position!

          and deservedly so.
        2. not main
          not main 1 February 2018 21: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Tol100v
          Quote: Vlad.by
          But one day they will run into the “emotional” pilot, she-she!

          Which immediately will go on promotion in rank and position!

          It is unlikely! Already been, https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201604200
          808-3xfn.htm
      3. Bossota
        Bossota 1 February 2018 19: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Vlad.by
        But one day they will run into the “emotional” pilot, she-she!

        But only in case of violation by the adversary of the air border it will be legal and justified, but it is impossible to substitute in neutral space - they only achieve this. And even if the impudence is overwhelmed, there should be no bleating like "the South Korean plane has gone to the side of the sea," but at once it should make noise everywhere: "have overthrown such and such an enemy, for it is in its right"
        1. Vlad.by
          Vlad.by 1 February 2018 21: 39 New
          +1
          So that and that, that the carcass should fall in our ter. waters or in our territory. Everything is like with Donbass Boeing, just the opposite. So that no bitch ... soori couldn’t even blather. And if it blathers, then by e ..., sorry - by vyakalniku.
  4. sir_obs
    sir_obs 1 February 2018 15: 45 New
    +2
    No rules, let them fail.
  5. Altona
    Altona 1 February 2018 15: 50 New
    +2
    The United States will introduce a number of sanctions against Shoigu. Are they really suicides or do they consider themselves immortal? laughing laughing laughing
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 1 February 2018 15: 52 New
    +3
    Do they have enough mind to listen to a good word, not yet backed up by the power of weapons? belay
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 2 February 2018 03: 11 New
      +1
      In this case, a good word and "Colt" is more intelligible than just a good word. This is their principle and is more understandable to them. They do not understand otherwise. angry
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 February 2018 15: 58 New
    +1
    Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.
    Sometimes it ends in accidents. Would he touch an American
    would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy.
    A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 1 February 2018 16: 18 New
      13
      That they are so "unprofessional" defend their homeland. hi
    2. ASG7
      ASG7 1 February 2018 16: 21 New
      20
      Well, why are Jews most worried about Russian pilots?
    3. Genry
      Genry 1 February 2018 16: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A heavy aircraft would most likely not be anything.

      The fighter is stronger, designed for bоExcessive overload and possible damage. And the mass per unit volume is higher (relatively closer to the pool).
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 1 February 2018 16: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Genry
        Quote: voyaka uh
        A heavy aircraft would most likely not be anything.

        The fighter is stronger, designed for bоExcessive overload and possible damage. And the mass per unit volume is higher (relatively closer to the pool).

        In a series of air meetings between US and NATO aviation with Soviet and then Russian fighter jets, there may well be several dozen cases that the air forces of the United States and NATO still cannot forget about.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 February 2018 17: 03 New
          +1
          Therefore, in interceptions in peacetime, you must be careful.
          who needs stupid peacetime losses?
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 1 February 2018 19: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Therefore, in interceptions in peacetime, you must be careful.
            who needs stupid peacetime losses?

            Well, after all, they did everything carefully and without "stupid losses." The Americans also liked it. laughing
          2. sabakina
            sabakina 1 February 2018 21: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Therefore, in interceptions in peacetime, you must be careful.
            who needs stupid peacetime losses?

            Warrior, give me at least one declared war on the globe at the moment! And why, then, does a peacekeeper die in piles? What, on half a ball, did the World Revolution begin, about which the Bolsheviks dreamed?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 February 2018 16: 41 New
        +1
        To disable a 4-engine bomber to pilots
        Luftwaffe air defense had to concentrate attack
        and disable 2 engines on one wing.
        But even after that he did not fall, but went out
        out of order and pulled on two engines to its base
        (under the guise of his hawk).
        Extremely lightweight fighters (for maximum climb)
        and therefore not too durable.
        1. jjj
          jjj 1 February 2018 17: 54 New
          +6
          In the North, even in Soviet times, there was a contact between our interceptor and the American intelligence officer. Scout fell
        2. Genry
          Genry 2 February 2018 20: 50 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Extremely lightweight fighters (for maximum climb)
          and therefore not too durable.

          You are always confusing .... The rate of climb of a fighter is not provided by its weight but by the power of the engines, which can accelerate it to speeds that support the aircraft in a discharged atmosphere. And the glider is designed (like the Luftwaffe bomber) for nearby explosions and severe damage.
          But American intelligence is built on the basis of civilian aircraft. They have a strict requirement for the time spent in flight, and this is due to the minimization of excess weight. Licking by weight is a feature of all civilian (commercial) aircraft. When designing them, a design is made with minimization of weight and strength, transferred to tests, and according to the results of these tests, elements with insufficient strength are strengthened. And do not tell me what they are doing the other way around ... It is impossible to find out the safety factor of non-destroyed elements in order to remove excess weight.
          And how many accidents occurred with civilian aircraft due to slight damage to the skin. It begins to break off (they say that the plane is destroyed in the air) and only in a few cases did landings occur when the skin was pulled out over the area of ​​one sheet and stopped at the junction with another sheet.
    4. Kurare
      Kurare 1 February 2018 16: 32 New
      15
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.

      Show me the pilot of a fighter of any country that does not have the proper portion of aggressiveness and self-confidence and I will tell you that it’s time to transfer this pilot to a civilian, to bring tipsy tourists to resorts. There is no need for aggression.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      If he touched an American, he would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy. A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.

      If yes, if only ... etc. Not in the subjunctive mood. Write nonsense!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 February 2018 16: 44 New
        +1
        "There is no need for aggression." ////

        Not aggressiveness helps in modern aerial combat
        (it is not needed at all), and the ability to use the right weapons
        at the right distances.
        1. K-50
          K-50 1 February 2018 16: 59 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Not aggressiveness helps in modern aerial combat

          Aggressiveness helps not bring the situation to the battle. hi
        2. Kurare
          Kurare 1 February 2018 17: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It is not aggressiveness (it is not needed at all) that helps in modern aerial combat, but the ability to use the right weapons at the right distances.

          Look for interviews on the Internet yourself, for example, American fighter pilots. They all, with one voice, say that moderately aggressiveness and self-confidence are mandatory.
          But just clicking on the “right” buttons at the “right” distances can teach a monkey. Exaggerated of course said, but ... in close air combat, just clicking on the "right" buttons will not be enough. And do not say that the BVB is old-fashioned and old-fashioned: they left a gun on all modern planes.
        3. sabakina
          sabakina 1 February 2018 21: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Not aggressiveness helps in modern aerial combat
          (it is not needed at all), and the ability to use the right weapons
          at the right distances.
          Hidden advertising F-35. Well, guys give, while tearing up the marks! Warrior, about the Patriot, wrap something like that!
    5. DenZ
      DenZ 1 February 2018 16: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Sometimes it ends in accidents. If he touched an American, he would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy.

      Oh come on? Is it always that bad? The Su-27 Norwegian P-3 Orion (September 1987) hurt and nothing. No one had to eject.
    6. 75 hammer
      75 hammer 1 February 2018 17: 18 New
      +3
      In fact, the strength of the airframe structure affects the ram, namely, what overloads it is designed for, and therefore the impact loads that a fighter glider can withstand without fatal damage and deformation are many times greater than that of a heavy 4-engine aircraft. So this time your shot aimed at introducing doubts into our ranks passed by. Go twist the sling of David, my dear!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 February 2018 17: 22 New
        +1
        "namely, what kind of overloads it is designed for, and therefore those shock loads" ////

        Overloads (G) and shock loads are not the same thing. Therefore, such a conclusion cannot be drawn. hi
        1. 75 hammer
          75 hammer 2 February 2018 11: 58 New
          0
          I explain, since the fighter’s pylon is designed for overloads of the order of 20 G, it is obviously made stronger than the Boeing pylon, designed for 7-9 G. The same is true for shock loads, only the calculation of the shock load at supersonic speeds is added! Your Occam’s razor doesn’t work everywhere, so think about where and what you can refute, and where it won’t work out!
    7. faridg7
      faridg7 1 February 2018 17: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.
      Sometimes it ends in accidents. Would he touch an American
      would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy.
      A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.

      Well, it depends on how you touch it, you can simply crush the cab on the scout, you can cut off the "extra" consoles. And then, until some kind of NATO vessel can come into the square, our pilot will be picked up quickly (we are at home), and then they will carefully and regretfully collect American corpses and valuable debris. In general, just compare the cost of a stuffed scout and a fighter, which it was high time to send for modernization. Well, in any case, I wouldn’t really think about it, I would exchange it with a deep sense of regret
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 February 2018 17: 37 New
        +1
        Something pulled you to the "blood" ... stop
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 1 February 2018 17: 51 New
          12
          Someone is not at all shy about planting rockets and bombs on someone else’s territory, but here you have to worry about the English bastards.
    8. Esoteric
      Esoteric 1 February 2018 18: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.

      And what will happen to him at the bottom? There is no oxygen, only hydrogen sulfide ... belay
    9. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 1 February 2018 19: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.
      Sometimes it ends in accidents. Would he touch an American

      It is in our blood and most importantly We do not flaunt and defend our territory (reduced by several times, thanks to the USA) .. Next time there will be an air ram and I won’t be surprised at this .. And I will be very proud of our VKS !!!!
      Well, pilots, well, damn hooligan .. I am proud and I'm not alone in Russia! soldier
    10. KaPToC
      KaPToC 1 February 2018 20: 35 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy.
      A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.

      Quite the opposite, a tailless fighter will fly perfectly to its native airfield, and a “heavy four-engine aircraft” without one wing will not be able to fly from the word “in general”.
    11. sabakina
      sabakina 1 February 2018 20: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.
      Sometimes it ends in accidents.
      Facts in the studio with a surname and title.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      Would he touch an American
      would have to catapult over the sea. Scandal, tragedy.
      The slime is counted.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      A heavy 4-engine aircraft would probably not be anything.
      Listen, warrior, do you really think that our pilots have professionalism at the level of pilots of the First World War?
      Although, to whom am I writing all this? You are God's chosen ...
    12. Inok10
      Inok10 2 February 2018 02: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. This is known.

      . laughing
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Sometimes it ends in accidents. Would he touch an American
      would have to catapult over the sea.

      . laughing ... Vasily Tsimbal had already explained in his time on September 13, 1987, it is involuntarily true ... that the 4-motor Orion has a stall speed greater than that of the Su-27 ... laughing
      ... The Norwegian Squeal echoed for a long time across the fjords ... laughing

      ... the details must be reminded, or so suddenly the Jewish memory will tell you ?! .. tongue
    13. Alex_59
      Alex_59 2 February 2018 09: 09 New
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian pilots love to flaunt. It is known

      Just one question. What is a military aircraft doing from another continent near the borders of Russia? For some reason, this is not our scout from New York drove the American F-15. Strange, isn't it?

      Just imagine that an Iranian scout will fly a kilometer from the borders of Israel. Will Israeli pilots worry that this could end in an accident, or will they still take whatever they need to push the "friendly" airplane away from Israeli territory?
  8. Vita vko
    Vita vko 1 February 2018 16: 00 New
    14
    As everyone knows, the United States understands exclusively the language of power. Therefore, there may be only one recommendation is to interfere with the GPS system when the reconnaissance aircraft approaches Russian territory, and when it crosses the border it’s easy to bring down. This is not a passenger plane, which is systematically shot down by the Americans and their partners. Such actions will definitely not affect the number of sanctions against Russia, but the hunt to fly near the borders will be repelled for a long time.
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 1 February 2018 16: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Vita VKO
      Therefore, there can be only one recommendation, this is to interfere with the GPS system when the reconnaissance aircraft approaches Russian territory, and when it crosses the border it’s easy to bring down.

      The problem will only consist in the fact that our aircraft flying "around the corner" can also be shot down "by accident". While everyone is playing by the rules, everything is more or less honest. They spy, we chase them, they hang around, and the State Department raises a tantrum, we offer them to increase purchases of diapers and handkerchiefs. All honestly! laughing hi
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 1 February 2018 17: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Kurare
        All honestly!

        those. Su-24 shot down honestly? And he fell in Syria and not in the territory of the NATO country. Boeing with 300 passengers honestly shot down too? And before that, the passenger plane of the Iranian airline. USA and honesty are not compatible.
        1. Kurare
          Kurare 1 February 2018 19: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          those. Su-24 shot down honestly?

          Of course not!!! It was a very vile provocation to push Russia and Turkey against their foreheads, thus weakening both countries. Further events are not forgotten? I mean the failed coup in Turkey. This is from the same "box of sweets."
          And so, they will spoil constantly. Well, Russia will do everything to increase the consumption of diapers by American pilots. wink
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Boeing with 300 passengers honestly shot down too? And before that, the passenger plane of the Iranian airline. USA and honesty are not compatible.

          If you read my post carefully, I had in mind the direct confrontation between the United States (or the nearest US Sixes) and Russia. What you proposed is the beginning of a direct confrontation, which would be very disadvantageous for Russia, IMHO.
  9. bald
    bald 1 February 2018 16: 04 New
    +7
    Fools, while there is a fighter of the Russian Aerospace Forces escorted, there is a guarantee not to meet with the package, of any missile system. And it’s better to wander away from sin.
  10. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 1 February 2018 16: 24 New
    +2
    If you agree, then so that the States understand that when approaching Our reconnaissance aircraft to the US borders, they will also have to adhere to the same rules. Although, all these rules have long been known, although not always official. It’s just that there are forces that need tension and scandals - that’s an occasion from the ordinary case to inflate ... (choose the right) charges, sanctions, requirements, measures, financing, etc.
  11. Dormidont
    Dormidont 1 February 2018 16: 28 New
    +2
    One rule: appeared near the borders of Russia - do not blame me
  12. Ivan.A
    Ivan.A 1 February 2018 16: 28 New
    +5
    It would be nice to have a reconnaissance base in Cuba with aviation, so that Americans have more activities at their borders, and not ours.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 1 February 2018 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Ivan.A
      it would be nice to have an intelligence base in Cuba with aviation,

      Is someone bothering you? Or is there no money?
  13. sgazeev
    sgazeev 1 February 2018 16: 29 New
    0
    [quote] [/ quote] According to the Russian military, the United States, when sending pilots to conduct reconnaissance in this area of ​​the Black Sea, it must be borne in mind that they will be met there by Russian fighters and not Ukrainian partners, or to issue all crews with new cards correctly printed on them designations of the borders of the airspace of Russia.
    I will add, and diapers are urological. drinks
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 1 February 2018 16: 43 New
    +1
    If the United States even knew such a word of the rule.
  15. serge siberian
    serge siberian 1 February 2018 17: 40 New
    +2
    As I understand it, the hijacking is ultimately a plane shot down. And escorting is a simple walk nearby. That's all understanding of these terms. But there’s no point in negotiating with amers. They all blame on inter-state agreements, but how to comply with them yourself, here’s Russia, it’s Russia , she, well, she is obliged to do it, but we are not a super duper. request
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 1 February 2018 19: 12 New
    +1
    Did something happen this time? The Americans are already reacting painfully, on the page of the 6th fleet a bunch of videos are flooded http://www.c6f.navy.mil/news/additional-video-rel
    eased-us-navy-ep-3-intercepted-black-sea
  17. Xaron-a
    Xaron-a 1 February 2018 21: 03 New
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    Why aren’t they sending a liner with electronic warfare equipment for escort? Well, let this scout fly him blindly ... collect noise ...
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 2 February 2018 17: 42 New
      +1
      The algorithms of the electronic warfare equipment are that cherry on the cake, which they do not mind getting as a result of such flights. Want to attach this cherry to their cake yourself?
  18. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 2 February 2018 00: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    To disable a 4-engine bomber to pilots
    Luftwaffe air defense had to concentrate attack
    and disable 2 engines on one wing.
    But even after that he did not fall, but went out
    out of order and pulled on two engines to its base
    (under the guise of his hawk).
    Extremely lightweight fighters (for maximum climb)
    and therefore not too durable.

    Come on!!! Those. a scout or a tanker made on the basis of a civilian liner (even with some elements of reinforcing a set), which has serious limitations on pitch and roll, is stronger than a fighter that performs the entire cascade of aerobatics, and can withstand multiple significant signs of overload?
    So, for reference: in the 80s or 90s, when flying around after repair in Tyumen (if I do not confuse it with the place), the Yak-40 crashed. And why? It’s just that the commander made a downward barrel, which led to overloads that exceeded the maximum allowed, which led to the destruction of the aircraft.
  19. iouris
    iouris 2 February 2018 00: 15 New
    +1
    Gorby agreed, Lavrov agreed on Syria in Sochi, now the Russian Defense Ministry is there too. During the war it is necessary to fight until victory, and not to negotiate. Agree on the terms of the "honorary" surrender.
  20. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 2 February 2018 00: 27 New
    +1
    Americans have gone wrong. Just a little hysteria and to a psychotherapist for rehabilitation. Given this fact, send aces to intercept them, so that they “intercept” them in all hemispheres in the air, so that from the mere thought of bringing them closer to our airspace, a bear’s disease started ...
  21. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 2 February 2018 07: 06 New
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    As the saying goes: "Do not want to ... do not torment ..opu."
  22. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 3 February 2018 01: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Pete Mitchell
    I like the story of the helicopter most of all - Man, it's good that he arrived at the club of his name.

    ... knew this History since the 90s ... it just so happened ... hi

    I'm in '89, heard, so to speak, from the original source