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Maxim Shevchenko: Soviets should be restored as democratic institutions

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Maxim Shevchenko: Soviets should be restored as democratic institutions



On January 26, presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin at the Lenin State Farm met with foreign journalists from leading European, Asian and American publications and news agencies.

Since the press conference was for foreign journalists, we probably had the right to expect that a candidate whom some forces are trying to present almost as marginal, of little interest, having no chance of winning, will not gather a large number of world leading news agencies. However, this did not happen. Representatives of the main world media attended this meeting. And, unlike other press conferences that were held for domestic journalists, there was no attempt to turn the press conference into a demonstration process about the “hidden billions”. The questions seemed to be meaningful and, accordingly, we were able to hear the detailed and, again, informative answers of presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin.

It began immediately with a landmark question from a Japanese journalist: “How do you rate Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin’s work over 18 years and what do you want to implement in Russia?” Somewhat later, Der Spiegel came back to this question, so Grudinin twice spoke on these topics. And the meaning of his answers was that one should move away from an overestimation of the role of the individual in stories. We see what is happening in Russia: we see 22 million official beggars, we see oligarchy feasts, we see indecent flat income tax, we see, as Grudinin said, “not a victory over corruption, but a victory of corruption”. But one should not think that all this is merit or the fault of one person, in this case Putin. Similarly, what Grudinin proposes as an alternative is not the opinion of only Grudinin.

The presidential candidate repeated the words “team” and “idea” many times, emphasizing that he was proposing another idea and another team. Speaking about Putin’s team, about “collective Putin”, he called names - Kudrin, Gref, Abramovich, Dvorkovich with his judgment that there are no oligarchs in Russia, but there are socially responsible businessmen. Accordingly, speaking of his team, Grudinin also called names. Is this position correct? March 18 will meet ideas and teams - or will there be people, Putin and Grudinin?

Gudinin represents his team, as befits a patriot, a citizen and a socially responsible left-wing man, as a team. That is, Grudinin does not say - this is "my courtiers" or this is "my associates." He doesn't have this “yakan” at all. He says - "we." People's patriotic forces, the Communist Party, the Left Front - we. We are the totality of Russian citizens who love their country and treat political issues differently. Someone is a communist, someone is right (an anti-communist, unfortunately) - but we all love our country, we now have to free ourselves from our country's colonial dependence, from the West, from the full 1991 heritage of the year. And then, as they say, we will understand each other: which of us offers the development scenario more clearly - left or right?

And the Putin team is not a team at all. These are people who hide behind Putin, these are people who do their work behind Putin’s back. Putin is a screen. A screen for a fairly large group of elites who either actually participated in the robbery and violence of 90's, or grab the stubs of the country by inheritance, privatizing them for themselves. They are trying to get into the shadows, they say - Putin. Volodin says: "Putin is Russia." But we do not say that. We say: "No one will give us deliverance: neither the king, nor God, nor the hero, we will achieve liberation with our own hand." The very concept that someone is Russia does not hold water. Of course, we are not fighting the Putin team (and I am part of the Grudinin team). We are struggling with the very concept of concealing dark affairs (or gray matters, and even bright cases) behind a certain political technology screen called Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. It seems to me that Pavel Nikolaevich meant exactly that.

As for ideas. Our opponents have a poster: "A strong Russia is a strong president." Sorry, but a janitor Uncle Vanya can be a “strong president.” In fact, a strong president is a person who is able to analyze and make decisions based on analysis. But they are imposing the image of Putin as the divine chosen one, without which we will all perish. These cynical people themselves are well aware that this is far from true. What irreplaceable we do not have. Of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is an outstanding politician and in many things outstanding, having vast experience in dialogues with world leaders, experience in solving geopolitical and strategic issues. But, in general, in the modern system, we have no irreplaceable ones. Even Comrade Stalin did not consider himself indispensable, by the way. Even Joseph Vissarionovich said that he was not above the party. It was not hypocrisy, he actually referred to this issue. And we almost impose a new king. I think this is a matter of principle.

A team of opponents of Grudinin from the government comes up with anti-democratic, almost non-monarchical, almost tyrannical slogans that may seem beautiful to them, but we hear them with political rumors, not religious rumors or any other subjects. distinguish already what they say and what they impose. “Putin is Russia,” “Strong Russia is a strong president,” means unique Putin. This is not related to a political program - they do not have a program as such. In fact, they can say: "Our program is what Putin will say." Well, yes, they are so related to this.

But we don’t say that our program is what Grudinin will say. We say that our program is born in the discussions of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the NPSR, the Left Front, and other forces that support Pavel Nikolayevich. Today, the union of patriotic organizations is the most democratic community in Russia. We have a wide range of opinions. We have a fierce internal discussion, a controversy about the ways of Russia. The Left Front and the NPSR have different positions, different views. But we have a common look at the current situation - it is impossible to continue living like this. What Putin's technologists have turned into, and what Russia is turning into is for people who at least to some extent cherish the Soviet experience of the 20th century, when the people became the masters of the country, these concepts are unthinkable.

I believe that all monarchists, all lovers of tyranny, a bureaucratic power state - everyone should vote for Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, I have no doubts here. Everyone who loves the Constitution of the Russian Federation (not this constitution of the Parliament that was shot, but the idea of ​​a constitution as a social contract), democracy, justice, socialism should all give their votes to Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin.

Thus, we have the following conflict. Potential tyranny (albeit liberal tyranny) is against a social, constitutional, democratic, historical project called Russia. Soviet Russia - I like that definition. This is a fundamental choice.

I represent the left wing in the breast block and, of course, I am a supporter of the socialist choice. We rely on analysis. Lenin said quite clearly: without developed serious capitalism, socialism cannot be; socialism is not a utopia that arises in the heads of people, but an economic and social way of life that comes with the development of the economy; it is impossible to develop the economy by demagogic speeches and orders of commissars. The utopia of military communism in 1921 was a party that was realized and rejected after open democratic discussions. And there was a transition to a new economic policy, in respect of which Lenin himself, by the way, at different times held different positions. At first Lenin was strongly opposed, he said that this would be a revival of capitalism, that our party comrades would not understand us, that the Red Army men, who shed blood for victory, would not understand us, because it would be a departure from the ideals of the revolution. This, Lenin said, by the way, during a discussion with the workers' opposition. But when some time passed, Vladimir Ilyich, who was, I stress, one of the most prominent dialecticians in the political history of mankind, clarified and adjusted his position. He said that we cannot ensure the development of the national economy (in particular, industry in cities and normal barter) without introducing elements of the capitalist market. This will inevitably lead to the stratification of society in the countryside, to the emergence of the bourgeoisie, perhaps to the emergence of a fist. And Lenin was absolutely right about that. But the task of the party is not to abandon the goal of building socialism, to understand the course of the processes from the point of view of their historical and political expediency, and not demagogic or slogan. Understand that now we have to feed the country, that now we have to rebuild the economy - at least commodity production.

The next stage was industrialization and the restoration of a large industry. I am not discussing now whether Stalin was right or wrong, having intensified collectivization at the pace with which he carried it out. There are different points of view on this historical period. But, of course, today without the union of the left and national capital, which is under terrible pressure from state bureaucratic capitalism, we cannot move on. National capital must be released. Why, what is its difference? The historian Alexander Vladimirovich Pyzhikov drew our attention to this difference not so long ago in his work The Edge of the Russian Schism. In Russia, with a strong state, capitalist, even imperialistic, two classically conflicting types of capital take shape. The first is state-bureaucratic-aristocratic capital, which lives by borrowing from the West. It always has been. Before the revolution, they occupied from England and France, today - from the UK, the USA, international cosmopolitan financial centers. And Russia takes cheap borrowing. Then this money is expensive for the domestic consumer - business and the public. Further, due to the control of tariffs and various kinds of quotas, the bureaucracy backs out the money, lowers the purchase prices and overestimates the price of energy (such a plug), that is, still preventing the domestic market from developing. Then this money is taken abroad.

The antithesis of this is the national capital, which develops not at the expense of the state loan (which is unprofitable for it, bondage and which it does not believe), but due to the allocation of funds from the profit share. This conflict led to both the first Russian revolution 1905 of the year, and the revolution 1917 of the year. And the state cannot overcome this conflict with any reforms. To do this, he needs to change his own nature, to abandon the fact that the Russian empire was only a lackey education in relation to the Western masters, as it is. Any form of empire here is simply a derivative of imperial domination over Eurasia. And the owners will not sit in St. Petersburg or in Moscow (any imperial formations built on this demagogy and on this type of borrowing), but in London, Washington, Paris or Tel Aviv.

Only a nation-state that is not an empire (it’s wrong to call the Soviet Union an empire) —the republic, the union of republics, the brotherhood of nations — is the antithesis of this type of state.

Therefore, I believe that the union of national capital in the person of Grudinin and left-wing forces is a fateful alliance for the history of Russia, which has once led to the liberation of us from foreign domination. It was, of course, the 1917 revolution of the year - February, which ended organically in October.

I explain my position as a leftist politician. I believe that the explanation is extremely important. Sometimes all patriots are mixed in one pile: they say, all the same. This is not true. We are dealing with an alliance, which is sufficiently many (at least by me) politically recognized as an alliance of left-wing democratic parties - and the people's patriotic right. Our block includes parties that are little distinguishable, in my opinion, from the “Black Hundred”. But I resign myself to this. Because I understand that today the elimination of the colonial regime at any cost (political, of course) is a crucial task for Russia.

I believe that the union of national capital, whose interests are clearly formulated and represented by Grudinin, and political movements that appeal to the Soviet experience of anti-Western democracy, this union is the only possible one. I was waiting for him, this union. It happened. I think: we must go on. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation should create organizations like “Business Russia”, work with entrepreneurs, create a business association. We need to create normal capitalism in Russia — people's capitalism, national capitalism — to protect the national business, which operates from a share of the profits. It is necessary to create an internal loan, to create an internal banking system that is not dependent on the colonial Central Bank or its owners, who sit in the World Monetary Fund or the World Bank, but is connected with the people. Such a banking system puts into circulation the personal, private savings that we keep at home, and they can bring income to the people. Having built such a system, we can then talk about socialism. I absolutely adhere to Lenin's position on this issue.

It is very important that more briefly about this (he simply did not have time - there were a lot of questions at the press conference) Grudinin also spoke. And he also recalled the NEP, recalled Lenin, and approximately in this context we heard the answer to the question of ideology that interests us.

That is, summing up the answers to the question about ideas, one can say that two ideologies have met. One sees the future of Russia as a colonial state built into the system of world global imperialism, and the other — Grudinina, Alexander Andreyevich Prokhanov, me and many tens of millions — sees Russia as an independent state, organized according to the Soviet model. It can be said that the word “Soviet” is key here. But only from the point of view of the Soviets as a form of democracy, and not from the point of view of the party secretaries, who subjugated the Soviets and then told the people what to think and how to vote. Again we will not follow this path - at least I will definitely not go. This path was disastrous, it led to the creation of a party bureaucracy, reborn and betrayed the people and the Soviets. We made a conclusion from this. I understand why Comrade Stalin shot parocrats. Because he understood their nature perfectly well and understood that the KGB trunk could have kept Yeltsin from doing what he had done in 80 — 90. But Stalin is no more, so we will not focus on the unrealizable. We will say this: The Soviets must be restored as democratic institutions. The prototype must be taken, of course, the Supreme Council 1993 of the year, which, probably, was the most democratic people's parliament in history. And precisely for this he was shot.

Do not be afraid of the experience of Lenin, Stalin, who did not hesitate to discuss such important, pressing political issues and give detailed articles on them.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 February 2018 06: 36
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    Therefore, I believe that the union of national capital in the person of Grudinin and the left forces is a fateful union for the history of Russia, which already once led to the liberation of us from foreign domination.

    ... aHtor, but you did not ask sternin how many HIDDEN HIDDEN accounts he had behind the cordon ?! : whose grandmas you work out, ahtor?!?
    1. Fox
      Fox 3 February 2018 06: 56
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      Quote: aszzz888
      whose grandmothers work out, akhtor?!?

      og ... and when you tear a throat for a "guarantor", it’s purely by the stupidity of the natural, free, ideological! fellow beautiful man ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 3 February 2018 07: 01
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        ... here is another muddy one using the VO site for agitation ...
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 3 February 2018 07: 58
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          uses the VO site for agitation
          that is, only you can agitate?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 February 2018 08: 51
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          Quote: aszzz888
          here is another muddy

          Do not touch the earth, "clarified"! am Regarding the fact that the "Putin screen" is something to argue? wink
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 3 February 2018 09: 02
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            Ingvar 72 Today, 08:51Do not touch the earth "bleached"! am There is something to protest about the "Putin screen"? wink

            . but what will happen?... and about "objecting" there is MUCH, but you won’t understand, it’s not given to the mind ...
            og ... and when you tear a throat for a "guarantor", it’s purely by the stupidity of the natural, free, ideological! fellow darling ...

            ... and if it’s not brought up, then there’s nothing to prove .... lower than your dignity, as indeed with you ... I have the honor! soldier
            1. zyzx
              zyzx 3 February 2018 09: 18
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              In the words of a true liberalist, I do not have anything to prove to you!
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 3 February 2018 09: 19
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              Quote: aszzz888
              but you don’t understand, it’s not given to the mind ...
              Where are we, too, to the fans of the whole! laughing The excuse is so-so, at the level of the third class for the mentally retarded, but on the topic weak?
              Lys and I live in Tolyatti - a province, her mother is like that. Nevertheless, we know who the VAZ sold to the French. By the way, he personally came on the eve of the sale, and HE and Dimon. And that Togliatti after that broke at the peak of degradation. know the same thing. So do not "rub" for the guarantor. wink
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 3 February 2018 09: 25
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                Ingvar 72 Today, 09:19 ↑ Where are we, the silver-footed,

                ... so he himself gave an assessment ... and I reply to the bosyaky-gateways with spread out fingers - I saw more than once, I pressed and will continue to press ... hi Sheriff.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 3 February 2018 13: 49
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                  Quote: aszzz888
                  I answer - I saw more than once, pressed and will push ...

                  bedbugs on a combat couch? belay
            3. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 3 February 2018 09: 25
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              Tips to be restored as democratic institutions - from article

              The Soviets of People’s Power - the right state action, which is promoted by Pavel Grudinin!
              M. Shevchenko is well done, he logically and reasonably evaluates the positions of the main contenders - the candidate from the Left Front and the Communist Party - P. Grudinin, and the candidate of the oligarch-bureaucratic class V. Putin.
              For Grudinin is a team that defends the interests of the majority of the working people, and most importantly - the IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE for all.
              Behind Putin, a small group of oligarchs and officials who essentially seized power in their narrowly selfish interests of robbing Russia and the people, and the LIBERAL IDEOLOGY of the OVERLAND of the RICHERS AND OFFICIALS - the ideology of the golden calf, profit is above all, above the interests of the people and the state, in which they do not live, but "make grandmothers." They have wives, children, lovers, palaces and yachts there - they are compradors, betray the interests of their people and state for foreign loot and a warm place in the West.
              And this is the main thing that everyone should understand.
              They do not understand only "clarified", such as aszzz888, or most likely, somehow paid, because simple truths, well, they can’t reach them.
              1. dSK
                dSK 3 February 2018 10: 20
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                Quote: vladimirZ
                For Grudinin ... the main thing is the IDEOLOGY of a SOCIALLY JUST STATE for everyone.

                Quote: Shevchenko
                Do not be afraid of the experience of Lenin, Stalin
                Where is she modern "IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE FOR ALL?" Of the slogans of "grandfather" of Lenin, there was only one - "power to the Soviets!"
                "Land to the peasants!" for the "privatizer" Grudinin is not suitable, as are the "factories for the workers!" Who will be "hegemonic? "-" heaped up? If you repeat "an experience" - half of the HE participants will be on logging, because for 20 years they are used to writing what they think. And the "archive" of VO is very large.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 3 February 2018 10: 40
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                  Where is it modern "IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE FOR ALL?" - dsk

                  Yes, it seems, dsk, you only understand the scriptures, you can quote psalms. And in the life of a real poor people, what can you say, there is not Moscow, but all other regions? Can't you do it?
                  Why are you mockingly mocking “land to peasants”, “factories for workers”, do you remember about “logging”, although it is needed for embezzlers of officials and corrupt officials? Or do you want to understand for some reason, or is your mind lacking?
                  Read at least P. Grudinin’s program, the same “20 steps to a dignified life. No“ land for the peoples, factory workers, ”a clear state program for creating a socially just state for the majority of the people.
                  Yes, this welfare state will not be good for thieves and corrupt officials, compradors and traitors, the big bourgeoisie who robbed people during privatization, for current officials and deputies receiving salaries and pensions of half a million rubles, but it will be true for most working people - and this is important for the prosperity of the people and Russia.
                  Everything, dsk, I will not discuss with you, otherwise again you will print psalms in the comments, you can’t say anything essentially.
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 12
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                  Who will be the "hegemon?" - "heaped up?
                  you have nothing to say, do you translate everything into Navalny? Bulk faithful servant of the Kremlin.
                  The current hegemon, Shuvalovskie, Dvorkovskie, you are happy to see everyone.
              2. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 31
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                Quote: vladimirZ
                For Grudinin is a team that defends the interests of the majority of the working people, and most importantly - the IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE for all.

                I clarify: Grudinin has an IDEA of the ideology of a socially just state, this is in the best case. Maybe it's just an advertisement.
                Good intentions are difficult to realize, especially nowhere in Grudinin did not meet this mechanism. He will have to work with Putin’s people, or fight ...
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 3 February 2018 10: 54
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                  I clarify: Grudinin has an IDEA of the ideology of a socially just state, this is in the best case. Maybe it's just an advertisement. - aybolyt678

                  What kind of advertisement is this? You watch films about the "state farm named after VI Lenin", WHAT P. Grudinin did socially for the working people. And there are about 200 such national enterprises in Russia. Where people live, not survive, and produce high-quality products according to Soviet GOSTs.
                  For example, in the Irkutsk region, we have two such national enterprises - the Usolsky Pig Complex and the Belorechinsk Poultry Factory — whose leaders did not allow them to be pulled away during the years of “privatization”, preserved, provided their workers with stable work, housing, and a decent salary.
                  And Pavel Grudinin, unlike the others, is not alone, he is elected by a team of his supporters - the Communists of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Left Front, united in opposition to Putin's oligarchic corruption and comprador Russia.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 37
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                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    What kind of advertisement is this?

                    You know, life makes you make different assumptions. I would be simply happy, and lay with bones for a man who would improve his life and give a perspective. The trouble is that Grudinin will get a system that will have the opposite effect on him. Will it stand ???
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 3 February 2018 14: 02
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                      I would be simply happy, and lay with bones for a man who would improve his life and give a perspective. The trouble is that Grudinin will get a system that will have the opposite effect on him. Will it stand ??? - aybolyt678

                      If Grudinin was just a "self-nominated" who gained votes by subscription, then such a danger could be. He is nominated by a joint political force that has concluded an agreement on the procedure for action when nominating a single candidate.
                      Naturally, there they provide for the planned actions to establish P. Grudinin as President.
                      Therefore, your fears are unfounded without. With P. Grudinin we are all given the CHANCE that we will move to a socially fair state, with another option - V. Putin - we have no chance of improving our lives. In my opinion, in this situation, people should choose Pavel Grudinin. There is simply no other option.
                      1. captain
                        captain 4 February 2018 13: 37
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                        With P. Grudinin we are all given the CHANCE that we will move to a socially just state, with another option - V. Putin - we have no chance of improving our lives. In my opinion, in this situation, people should choose Pavel Grudinin. There is simply no other option. [/ Quote]
                        You all had this chance in 1917. How did you complete it? My Homeland Russia during 75 years of rule has decreased by almost 4mln. sq. km The population of my homeland during this time decreased to 145mln. people with 189 million people We annexed Crimea and its population thanks not to the COMMUNISTS, but thanks to the bourgeoisie. You managed (Leninists Bolsheviks) to distribute so much territory to nationalists and Russophobes in 75 years, so much that my Motherland did not lose in any war. (Igo was before the existence of the Russian Empire).
                        You (Leninists) promised equal rights to the people. Let's see the Constitution of the RSFSR 1918. and 1924g. Equality of urban and rural residents.
                        Chapter 6
                        About the All-Russian Congress of Soviets of Workers, Peasants, Red Army and Cossack Deputies.
                        24. The All-Russian Congress of Soviets is the highest authority of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic. 25. The All-Russian Congress of Soviets is composed of representatives of city Councils, according to the calculation of 1 deputy for 25.000 voters, and representatives of provincial Congresses of Soviets, according to calculation of 1 deputy to 125.000 residents.
                        One to five, this is equality! And in Russia in Russia 80% of the population were peasants, this is social justice. Plus, people deprived of voting rights 9 from 3 to 4.5 million) are deprived. Yes, God be with them bourgeois deprived. Even the homeless and parasites had more rights to vote than the peasants!
                        In the Constitution of 1925
                        A. About the All-Russian Congress of Soviets
                        20. The All-Russian Congress of Soviets is drawn up on the grounds established by Article 25 of the Constitution (Basic Law) of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic, adopted by the V All-Russian Congress of Soviets, from representatives of the councils of cities and urban settlements, one delegate per twenty-five thousand voters, and representatives from provincial and district congresses of councils, according to the calculation of one delegate per one hundred twenty-five thousand people.
                        And again, the peasants are not full members of the Bolshevik society.
                        But here they should be in the forefront to feed, water and fight for the power of the Bolsheviks.
                        And only Stalin, when he came to power, and killed or deported most of the rabid Leninists-Russophobes, in the Constitution of the 1936, he equalized everyone with the rights of all, including the deprived.
                        Lenin generally canceled the teaching of Russian history, because he believed that the USSR did not need it. Raised Ivanov not remembering kinship. And again, Stalin reversed this Russophobic decision of the Bolsheviks and introduced the teaching of history at universities and schools.
                        And how did your Leninists fool the people with the earth? Dali, then began collectivization. Well, of course, for the good of the people and the land was taken. And again, Stalin stopped this mess.
                        During the Second World War, 45% of urban residents had a reservation. Peasants only 5%. And again, a Russian peasant from the village blown up blood for the power of the Bolsheviks.
                        There was no social justice with you. I did not see the sons of leaders, starting from party committees in the faces in mines and in pigsties. And he did not see the daughters of these new nobles among the milkmaids on the collective farms they created.
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 14
                      +7
                      Will it stand?
                      but there is no choice. You have to take a chance!
                  2. Freeman
                    Freeman 3 February 2018 16: 45
                    +6
                    vladimirZ Today, 10:54
                    What kind of advertisement is this? You watch films about the "state farm named after VI Lenin"

                    What naryl. laughing
                    FILM JOURNAL OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY 1959 No. 6 (254) March.
              3. aszzz888
                aszzz888 3 February 2018 10: 39
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                vladimirZ Today, 09:25 ↑, basmach Today, 09:38

                Do not litter the site IN !!! ALL YOUR OWN OPPORTUNITIES - IN SPORTLOTO !!! There is the election headquarters of the sternians !!! laughing
              4. To be or not to be
                To be or not to be 3 February 2018 11: 05
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                vladimirZ Today, 09:25 ↑
                Tips to be restored as democratic institutions - from article
                The Soviets of People’s Power are the right state action, which is promoted by Pavel Grudinin! ""
                Laughing hard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                Wise Shevchenko Fool builds ..
                Basis and superstructure.
                A socialist superstructure in the form of councils of people's deputies with the capitalist basis of private ownership of the basic means of production.
                Such a small boldeliero in the form of a push-pull ..
                Not a dog or a cat, but a cat dog!
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 3 February 2018 11: 40
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                  Laughing hard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  Wise Shevchenko Fool builds ..
                  Basis and superstructure.
                  A socialist superstructure in the form of councils of people's deputies with the capitalist basis of private ownership of the basic means of production. - To be or not to be

                  And do not laugh. The Soviets, as a form of organization of people's self-government, if you know, originated in 1905, then after February 1917, in capitalist, post-Tsarist Russia, was one of two parallel forms of government of the people: the Provisional Government and the Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.
                  Do not remember? But it is a pity, just in this competition of survivability, the Soviets of workers, soldiers and peasants' deputies prevailed, and in the end, under the leadership of the Bolshevik Communists of the CPSU (b), they created a socially just people's state - the USSR.
                  So with his "boldelero in the form of a pushing ..", you can keep silent.
                  Such an experience already existed and it paid off.
                  1. To be or not to be
                    To be or not to be 3 February 2018 12: 04
                    +3
                    Lenin V.I. "To the slogans" (excerpts) (mid July 1917)
                    http://media.samsu.ru/materials/russia_1917/docum
                    ents / Lenins06.html
                    "The Soviets can and will have to appear in this new revolution, but not the present Soviets, not the organs of compromise with the bourgeoisie, but the organs of the revolutionary struggle against it. What will we then stand for building the entire state like the Soviets, this is so. Soviets in general, but the question of combating this counter-revolution and the betrayal of these Soviets. <...> ".
                    [Lenin V.I. Full Sobr. Op. T-34. S.10-17]
                    No comment ...
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 3 February 2018 12: 20
                      +5
                      "The Soviets can and should appear in this new revolution, but not the current Soviets, not organs of compromise with the bourgeoisie, but organs .... - To be or not to be

                      Do not appeal to the torn quotes of classics, look at the essence of the topic.
                      In 1917, the Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies were forced to pursue a "compromising" policy, otherwise they would be destroyed.
                      Therefore, in a capitalist state, such a policy of the Soviets of People’s Deputies is entirely permissible, and even necessary, to act reasonably, compromise, in order to ultimately achieve victory in creating a socially just state.
                      You can’t act double-mindedly, politics and politics in order to be cunning and smart, sometimes to circumvent, retreat, but inevitably achieve your goals.
                      Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action.
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 4 February 2018 16: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: To be or not to be
                  A socialist superstructure in the form of councils of people's deputies with the capitalist basis of private ownership of the basic means of production.

                  the form of ownership may be private, but in contrast to it there may be a socially oriented system of distribution of material goods - for example, a progressive taxation scale. Under socialism, it was not forbidden to join cooperatives or have hammers with axes. Of course, the machine and the factory are larger, but where are our private plants? mostly shops .. sad
              5. captain
                captain 3 February 2018 12: 24
                +3
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Tips to be restored as democratic institutions - from article

                The Soviets of People’s Power - the right state action, which is promoted by Pavel Grudinin!
                M. Shevchenko is well done, he logically and reasonably evaluates the positions of the main contenders - the candidate from the Left Front and the Communist Party - P. Grudinin, and the candidate of the oligarch-bureaucratic class V. Putin.
                For Grudinin is a team that defends the interests of the majority of the working people, and most importantly - the IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE for all.
                Behind Putin, a small group of oligarchs and officials who essentially seized power in their narrowly selfish interests of robbing Russia and the people, and the LIBERAL IDEOLOGY of the OVERLAND of the RICHERS AND OFFICIALS - the ideology of the golden calf, profit is above all, above the interests of the people and the state, in which they do not live, but "make grandmothers." They have wives, children, lovers, palaces and yachts there - they are compradors, betray the interests of their people and state for foreign loot and a warm place in the West.
                And this is the main thing that everyone should understand.
                They do not understand only "clarified", such as aszzz888, or most likely, somehow paid, because simple truths, well, they can’t reach them.

                Actually, the Soviets came up with the Left Social Revolutionaries. And all peasant uprisings (Tambov, Chepan war, Shadrinsk uprising, etc.) took place under the slogan; For advice without the Bolsheviks. Well, if we want to ruin Russia to the regional principalities, then we must again vote for the Communists. And we will begin to build at the expense of Russian regions a "window of socialism" on the outskirts of the Russian Federation. If in the 75 years some did not understand that at the expense of the RSFSR and the BSSR, they fed the entire USSR, those who want to feed further let them feed and vote for the Communists. That’s why in Ukraine they called us quilted jackets and rogues. Therefore, such Russophobia in the former Soviet republics and the persecution of Russians was in the 90 years and continues now.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 3 February 2018 12: 45
                  +7
                  Actually, the Soviets came up with the Left Social Revolutionaries. ... Well, if we want to ruin Russia to the regional principalities, then we must again vote for the Communists. - captain

                  Who cares who came up with the tips? The main thing was created and successfully tested such a form of self-government of the people!
                  And then, if you know, it was not the Communists who destroyed the USSR, it happened in the post-communist era when the Constitution’s article “On the leading and directing power of the CPSU” was canceled, and the state rolled to “take power as much as you want,” when the local elites ceased to be restrained by a single party and Soviet organisms, rolled into chaos and collapse.
                  Just don’t write that the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Kravchuk, Shushkevichs and others who clung to the CPSU were Communists, they were not them. Careerists and hidden enemies of the people whom they didn’t reveal in time and thereby allowed them to achieve leadership positions in the party and state.
                  This, incidentally, was the lack of regular updating of the party and state leadership, the absence of a healing mechanism for influencing them, was the main reason for the stagnation of the system, the arrival of anti-communists in the leadership, and their subsequent overthrow of socialism, which led to the death of the USSR.
                  1. captain
                    captain 3 February 2018 13: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    Actually, the Soviets came up with the Left Social Revolutionaries. ... Well, if we want to ruin Russia to the regional principalities, then we must again vote for the Communists. - captain

                    Who cares who came up with the tips? The main thing was created and successfully tested such a form of self-government of the people!
                    And then, if you know, it was not the Communists who destroyed the USSR, it happened in the post-communist era when the Constitution’s article “On the leading and directing power of the CPSU” was canceled, and the state rolled to “take power as much as you want,” when the local elites ceased to be restrained by a single party and Soviet organisms, rolled into chaos and collapse.
                    Just don’t write that the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Kravchuk, Shushkevichs and others who clung to the CPSU were Communists, they were not them. Careerists and hidden enemies of the people whom they didn’t reveal in time and thereby allowed them to achieve leadership positions in the party and state.
                    This, incidentally, was the lack of regular updating of the party and state leadership, the absence of a healing mechanism for influencing them, was the main reason for the stagnation of the system, the arrival of anti-communists in the leadership, and their subsequent overthrow of socialism, which led to the death of the USSR.

                    Red-flag nonsense like Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevarnadze and others. The real Leninists were not communists? You read the newspaper True of those years. Study the materials of the congresses of the CPSU. And if you listen, then the CPSU leadership was either traitors or voluntarists or careerists or stagnants ... shorter than any normal. Except for Stalin, who put all Leninists to the nail, which saved Russia for some time from the collapse, but Grandfather Lenin scolded him and did not like to see him.
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 3 February 2018 14: 31
                      +6
                      You read the newspaper True of those years. Study the materials of the congresses of the CPSU. And if you listen, then the CPSU leadership was either traitors or voluntarists or careerists or stagnants ... - captain

                      I don’t need to read the Pravda newspaper of those years, I remember very well what was happening then, especially since they concerned me directly, at that time I worked as a responsible party worker (there was such a term then, those involved in ideological work in the party) of the CPSU district committee of the city committee one of the Siberian cities.
                      And I want to tell you that already in 1987 we did not have enough fingers, to consider Gorbachev's “mistakes”, as we then believed.
                      And in the party then there were disputes and discussions on these problems. It’s enough to remind you, if at that time you were a consciously adult, the article of one of the teachers of Leningrad in the newspaper Sovetskaya Rossiya - “I Can’t Give Up Principles”, which is widely discussed in the country and the party.
                      Unfortunately, the Pravda newspaper, the Ogonyok magazine, and a number of other media, including television, were filled with supporters and proteges of A. Yakovlev, Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU for ideology, and at the same time a long-standing American agent recruited simultaneously with the KGB general Kalugin in 1957 year. There are even photos on the Internet in New York where they were shot among four citizens of the USSR, aimed at a one-year study in the United States.
                      By the way, Gorbachev knew that A. Yakovlev was an agent of the United States, and nevertheless introduced him to the Central Committee of the CPSU and appointed him the Secretary of Ideology, who headed the entire ideological apparatus of the USSR to fool Soviet people, discredit Soviet power, socialism, the CPSU, the KGB, the Army, and essentially to the preparation of the restoration of capitalism in the USSR.
                      So, neither Gorbachev, nor his betrayal comrades-in-arms, who are at the head of the CPSU and the USSR, were Communists, they are traitors and enemies of the people.
                      There is even a speech on the Internet by Gorbachev at the American University in Istanbul, where he admits his systematic anti-communist activities.
                      1. To be or not to be
                        To be or not to be 3 February 2018 15: 01
                        +3
                        N.Andreeva
                        I CAN'T TRACK THE PRINCIPLES
                        ("Soviet Russia" March 13, 1988, p. 2.)
                        http://www.revolucia.ru/nmppr.htm
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 18
                      +4
                      Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevarnadze and others. The real Leninists were not communists.
                      Why are they “forgetting” to insert another Communist on this list who wouldn’t stick to the CPSU and not see him serving in the KGB?
              6. yehat
                yehat 5 February 2018 13: 25
                +1
                Tips - a nice offer that has already been tested in the USSR,
                there’s only one “but” - in the same USSR, they were very adept at turning councils into meaningless decorative mechanisms.
            4. basmach
              basmach 3 February 2018 09: 38
              14
              Of course, when people like you who "have the honor" (although you hardly even understand that it is, not to mention possession) have arguments, they slip into the personality with an exclamation "you don’t understand" (this, by the way, is a sign dishonor - priori intellectually put oneself above the opponent, even without a vague idea of ​​him). And there are no arguments for people like you, otherwise people like you would have shown them with pleasure
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 3 February 2018 11: 29
                +5
                basmach Today, 09:38

                Demagogy is not evidence. And I repeat - the VO site is not a field for the election campaign!
            5. Ehanatone
              Ehanatone 3 February 2018 17: 54
              +3
              Understand who the crap with 888 on the forehead
              Exactly honor you have it
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 February 2018 11: 50
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Regarding the fact that the "Putin screen" is something to argue?

            What for? It seems that they are discussing Grudinin. So what? Answer the question. Which candidate do you need - a destroyer or a creator? What, again, start with the destruction of the whole world? With the rout? Few beat, let's blow up? If so, then there is nothing to talk about.
            And if you still want to build something a little in Russia, let's figure out what your Grudinin is not against, but for what he and who is for him. To which candidate the world media flocked like flies? To the one who will strengthen our country? Oh really ?! Well then! The world media are so fair to our country, so impartial, so they want all of us good and benefits ... After all, right? And who is there for him, except for the "people" painted on the frame? How many years have I seen the authors of such articles, but I am still surprised. How are they not ashamed? I understand the question is irrelevant for them, but I’m Russian ...
            1. ALEA IACTA EST
              ALEA IACTA EST 3 February 2018 12: 12
              +2
              How not to get together: commie wassat made friends with the Nazis fool . Water splashed into sulfuric acid, OKPP succeeded. wink
          3. Dimmedroll
            Dimmedroll 3 February 2018 15: 51
            0
            Any President a priori someone's screen. And what will we do with it.
          4. Height
            Height 3 February 2018 17: 40
            +2
            Regarding Grudinin, is there anything to argue with?
          5. Sverdlov
            Sverdlov 3 February 2018 21: 59
            +4
            Putin clearly protects the money of the oligarchs. The rest is secondary. Defense and foreign policy as well. Domestically, a complete failure. Regional industry, science, education, medicine. The judiciary has amended the law.
            For the people - a ban on protest contrary to the constitution.
            Rosguard to protect against terrorists? Three times - HA!
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 4 February 2018 07: 33
              +1
              The most important function of any state is property protection. Without this, no economy can work, no civilization can survive.
              You should not fight with windmills.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 4 February 2018 11: 05
                +1
                Quote: Victor N
                The most important function of any state is property protection.

                and protecting the domestic market from the world is not one of the main functions of the state?
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 6 February 2018 17: 17
                  0
                  You see, the fence - it is a fence on both sides: it does not pass either here or here.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 6 February 2018 22: 33
                    0
                    Quote: Victor N
                    You see, the fence - it is a fence on both sides: it does not pass either here or here.

                    How to say ... And if the currency exchange rate is not controlled by the exchange, but by the ministry?
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 11 February 2018 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: aszzz888
          ... here is another muddy one using the VO site for agitation ...

          Shevchenko was asked from everywhere, well, that’s why he got stuck with Grudinin for a “salary” laughing
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 3 February 2018 09: 57
        20
        Shevchenko is right. The country is stagnant, the economy is stagnating. The Constitution of the Russian Federation is colonial. The system needs to be changed, but the guarantor does not allow it. No gap is visible in the future, except for the improvement of weapons. People are driven into bondage, oligarchs and bankers are getting richer, the stratification of society is simply prohibitive.
        1. dSK
          dSK 3 February 2018 10: 39
          13
          Quote: siberalt
          Shevchenko is right. the economy is stagnating. Colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation
          He did not discover this "America" ​​- Glazyev, Fedorov. On the slogans "Down with!" you won’t get far "break not build." Where is the program construction new world?
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 3 February 2018 12: 44
            +9
            Shevchenko "break" and does not call. Everything has long been broken. He is for building, but it is understandable for the whole people. hi
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 31
              +2
              Quote: siberalt
              He is for building, but it is understandable for the whole people

              people-concept is not homogeneous
              1. Alber
                Alber 9 February 2018 22: 48
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                people-concept is not homogeneous

                The people are the root of the country.
                And all these oligarchs, bankers, money-lenders, bureaucrats, parliamentarians ... This
                all useless and temporary foam
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 10 February 2018 05: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Alber
                  The people are the root of the country.
                  And all these oligarchs, bankers, money-lenders, bureaucrats, parliamentarians ... This
                  all useless and temporary foam

                  I understand your position ... however, the people who are the root, quite useless, manipulated, heterogeneous masses, who drive foreign cars bought on credit and stopped reading books. The means of Mass Idiocy killed in the people the ability to self-conceit Himself for the sake of the Society.
                  Unfortunately, something like that.
          2. captain
            captain 3 February 2018 13: 51
            +3
            Quote: dsk
            Quote: siberalt
            Shevchenko is right. the economy is stagnating. Colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation
            He did not discover this "America" ​​- Glazyev, Fedorov. On the slogans "Down with!" you won’t get far "break not build." Where is the program construction new world?

            I agree with you, put a plus with pleasure. Break not build.
          3. Sverdlov
            Sverdlov 3 February 2018 22: 02
            +3
            At the moment, the slogan-just not Putin!
            That has already shown everything. There will be nothing new ...
        2. plotnikov561956
          plotnikov561956 3 February 2018 10: 47
          17
          There is no stagnation in the country ... the stagnation was under L, And, Brezhnev ... with a 6% GDP growth ... now it is growing at 1.2% .. this is just a statistical error ... There are no working poor in any country in the world. We have...
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 3 February 2018 11: 51
            +4
            Three quarters of the world's population is on the verge of starvation. Wait a minute ...
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 3 February 2018 12: 49
            +3
            Dear, do not confuse the economy with a blah blah show rating. There are no statistical “errors” in economics. lol There everything is miscalculated to the cent.
            1. Sverdlov
              Sverdlov 3 February 2018 22: 04
              +2
              Too lazy to look for a quote - there is a lie, there is a big lie and there are statistics ...
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 3 February 2018 11: 49
          +7
          "Change the system" - how, specifically?
          The economy is recovering, although there is an economic war. How to speed up? What else to do?
          Yes, the bundle is big. But the people in credit bondage, having forgotten the brain, themselves crawl, struck by consumer ideology. (sorry, there is a more accurate word).
          1. jjj
            jjj 3 February 2018 13: 14
            +3
            Friends, but by law, all this discussion should be paid from the election fund of candidate Grudinin. Confess who received how much money,
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 28
              +6
              according to law,
              according to what law the self-nominated fund is collected from money, something I did not see the self-nominated standing in the subway and collecting signatures. And how much time will the self-nominee take? Many call him a guarantor, only laws are not for him.
              1. dSK
                dSK 3 February 2018 21: 16
                +2
                Quote: Gardamir
                not seen
                out of 15 self-nominated people who were standing by the subway and collecting signatures?
                Chameleon Grudinin language does not dare to call a "guarantor".
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 3 February 2018 21: 44
                  +2
                  language does not turn to be called a "guarantor".
                  a supporter of the oligarchs for 18 years
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 10 February 2018 05: 54
            0
            Quote: Victor N
            "Change the system" - how, specifically?

            You are absolutely right. With ideology, you need to change the system. From her. As historical experience shows, this is the most effective weapon. First you need to limit the advertising of imported goods
    2. solovald
      solovald 6 February 2018 10: 25
      0
      Come on essentially, don’t click the figs. It’s also necessary to work out cleverly, isn't it ... "Patriot" you are our star -...
    3. zenion
      zenion 6 February 2018 19: 12
      0
      So it means to buy American corps - right!
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 February 2018 06: 53
    12
    M. Shevchenko, as one substance in the hole - over the last year he spoke so much and managed to support both liberals and GDP, now he urgently went to bed and became a breast for a candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. Interestingly, who is Shevchenko in reality? It does not count on the position of the Minister of Information in the Grudinin government (if any).
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 3 February 2018 07: 26
      +9
      M. Shevchenko, as one substance in the hole - over the last year he spoke so much and managed to support both liberals and GDP, now he urgently went to bed and became a breast for a candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.

      Well, no matter what kind of person he is for a boxing match with SWANIDZE or Gozman, such a person is always needed ... we don’t need to bury our hands on this evil.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 3 February 2018 09: 24
        +5
        Shevchenko and appointed to Grudinin, God forbid. So as not to withdraw from the presidential race. Old ZYuzyu apparently can not cope with this task ..

        And under the patriot of the capitalist and the artificially bred and cherished near Moscow millionaire with socialist slogans they dig further
        The family of the presidential candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Pavel Grudinin, has acquired a house on the Mediterranean coast in Spain.

        According to the registrar in the city of Salou, at the disposal of REN TV, the house is located on Pampeo Fabra Street in the Kovamar region, real estate with a total area of ​​more than 200 square meters. meters acquired in the fall of 2017. ""
        http://e-news.su/news/211559-semya-grudinina-kupi
        la-dom-v-strane-nato-za-545-milliona-i-drugie-ske
        lety-v-shkafu-kandidata.html

        Wonderful are the works of the Lord!
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 3 February 2018 15: 28
          +7
          Quote: To be or not to be
          According to the registrar in the city of Salou, who were at the disposal of REN TV
          lol good fellow Oh, I can’t !!! The Ren-TV channel is already being attracted to prove Grudinin’s “crimes”. Scream ...
        2. Rimlianin
          Rimlianin 3 February 2018 18: 39
          +8
          I don’t believe all these stuffing (because you can’t trust the media controlled by the authorities, well, they just can’t objectively give information about the opposition candidate who is dangerous for this government during the election period). But even if it was so, I do not see any problem. Well, let's say Grudinin has a house in Italy? So half of our "elite" has not only houses there, palaces were bought there. But where does it come from? The important thing is not how much money Grudinin has, but how he manages it. We see that his people at the enterprise receive a decent salary, he provided them with housing, their children go to a European-level school, the elderly receive supplements for retirement. Plus, Grudinin is a person behind whom is a whole team of patriots and professionals. For Putin, however, are Chubais and Dvorkovich. What remains for them is to create castles from the air only ..
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 3 February 2018 19: 25
            +3
            Yes, this is the most common stuffing. Grudinin himself recently stated that he does not have immovables abroad, and he lives in an ordinary apartment at his state farm. The sense to him in the midst of election battles is to buy a country house for himself.
            And of course, the authority of the Ren-TV channel decides.
            1. onix757
              onix757 3 February 2018 19: 33
              +6
              Quote: Greenwood
              Yes, this is the most common stuffing. Grudinin himself recently stated that he does not have immovables abroad, and he lives in an ordinary apartment at his state farm. The sense to him in the midst of election battles is to buy a country house for himself.

              They are trying to distract people from the main thing, namely from the program of Grudinin and his team. By and large, at this stage of history, it does not matter if there is something there or not, and if anyone has it. The main thing is to bring a team capable of radical changes to power,
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 4 February 2018 08: 16
                +3
                I agree. What impresses me in Grudinin is that he represents not himself, but his left-patriotic team. There is no bulging of oneself; there is teamwork and the involvement of specialists.
                Against this background, slogans of the form "Putin is Russia!" Look very funny. etc. chatter, visually "elevating" Putin over everyone else. But it’s ridiculous to talk about Putin’s team, which consists entirely of populists and corrupt officials.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 February 2018 07: 59
      11
      one substance in the hole -
      how many such substances are in the government and nothing annoys. Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 3 February 2018 08: 55
        +8
        Quote: Gardamir
        how many such substances are in the government and nothing annoys. Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?

        We are not afraid of Grudinin, but of what will happen under his presidency!
        1. basmach
          basmach 3 February 2018 09: 41
          12
          And you are a new prophet that you can predict what will happen under Grudinin. And who are we. Or you are from the company Chubais-Sechin-Abromovich and Co. Then it is worth it.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 3 February 2018 11: 30
            +4
            Quote: basmach
            And you are a new prophet that you can predict what will happen under Grudinin.

            It is not necessary to be a prophet, so that on the example of the workers of his company, who have lost land shares and shares, to understand what awaits us with such a president!
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 35
          +6
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          We are not afraid of Grudinin, but of what will happen under his presidency!

          Putin is not eternal either. By voting for Putin, we vote FEAR that the next president will be like Gorby or EBN
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 3 February 2018 12: 00
            +4
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Putin is not eternal either. By voting for Putin, we vote FEAR that the next president will be like Gorby or EBN

            Or maybe we adhere to popular wisdom: "From good, they do not seek good"?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 08
              +7
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Or maybe we adhere to popular wisdom: "From good, they do not seek good"?

              Are there many who adhere to this wisdom? Basically, people are unhappy that the prospects have disappeared. If earlier about 20 years ago, the limit of dreams was your store, and he was a dream! now they cannot be sold. Everywhere "competitors" - retail chains and megastores sell imported goods. And these competitors are created by the existing government! under the mantra about the need for competition in the market.
      2. Fox
        Fox 3 February 2018 09: 01
        +6
        Quote: Gardamir
        Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?

        it’s just that he didn’t pay them ... and didn’t even offer it, it’s often offensively offensive!
      3. zyzx
        zyzx 3 February 2018 09: 19
        +4
        Quote: Gardamir
        how many such substances are in the government and nothing annoys. Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?

        There they are even thinner and smelly.
      4. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 3 February 2018 09: 30
        +5
        Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?
        Did I write about Shevchenko, or did you read only “substance”? To be honest, then I also like Grudinin, as well as Sobchak ... and even more so be afraid?
  3. Odysseus
    Odysseus 3 February 2018 07: 29
    16
    The restoration of the Soviets is a goal that is final, good, and correct, but, frankly, no practical ways to realize it have been seen. Here you need to understand that this means a complete rejection of the "course of reform" in the form in which they have been carried out since 1993 (and, of course, the change of the 1993 constitution). The victory in the election of a candidate from the Communists (especially from the national-patriotic forces) alone will not restore Soviet power, although it may serve as the beginning for its restoration.
    It is also obvious that within the framework of the bourgeois-oligarchic system that has developed in Russia, “elections” are just a farce and the Communist candidate can never win them (moreover, under the existing system, they could not even nominate a candidate who was not approved by the AP).
    Hypothetically, chances for the restoration of Soviet power may appear during the complete collapse of the regime, especially given that Putin and K, unlike Yanukovych, have nowhere to run. But even here the oligarchs and the West, taught by the experience of the 20th century, will try to make the transit of power from Putin to "democratic forces" managed (for example, through the nomination of the desired "successor" in 2024 and guarantees personally to Putin and his family).
    So there are few chances. But it is necessary to fight, under a lying stone water does not flow.
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 3 February 2018 07: 53
      11
      Robyat, did you collapse with oak? Restoring advice may also be a good wish. But in this case, you need to clean up the local and state parliaments, otherwise imagine, in the village, in the region, in the region, plus at the state level there are thoughts (parliaments) and councils adjoining ... How many officials will be added, how long will legislative activities be, and who who will put the steps, etc.?
      There is already a living example, Moldova, where the president has already been removed from government by the State Council ... But we already have the Federation Council!
      If we move on to advice on Soviet experience, we must remove the various parliaments. And it will be like this: the council (village council) and to it the executive committee, then the district council, regional council, state council, and to each the executive committees ... You cannot interfere with the same functions of parallel organizations in one heap, and thereby produce an additional number of bureaucrats ... After all and now there are deputies in every locality, region, region, plus the State Duma ...
      Maybe advice can justify itself, but only in the absence of a parallel structure
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 3 February 2018 09: 14
        +6
        Quote: Letnab
        But in this case, you need to clean up the local and state parliaments, otherwise imagine, in the village, in the region, in the region, plus at the state level, thoughts (parliaments) and councils coexist ...

        You are breaking through the open door. Of course, the restoration of the Soviet system necessarily It requires the liquidation of all bourgeois-parliamentary structures generated by the events of 1993.
        Quote: Letnab
        Maybe advice can justify itself, but only in the absence of a parallel structure

        Absolutely true. Nobody argues about this. This is an axiom.
        1. Letnab
          Letnab 3 February 2018 09: 47
          +4
          yes, an axiom, dual power to the detriment of us all ...
          But to expect a good result from the candidate’s slogans, it’s better to immediately prepare for future troubles. If during the Soviet era the people were united, it’s a very tough division between the haves and the rest ... One way or another, for the councils to work successfully, it will also be necessary to change the constitution, remove them from power and dekulakize the current oligarchs, including the current presidential candidate ... Will he agree to give his property to the people, and the other oligarchs will not rush either. as a result of the war, and the collapse of the country
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 52
            +4
            Quote: Letnab
            Will he agree to give his property to the people, and the other oligarchs will not rush either. as a result of the war, and the collapse of the country

            otherwise silent dying, life as long as there is oil gas and also collapse
          2. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 3 February 2018 11: 36
            +4
            Quote: Letnab
            Will he agree to give his property to the people, and the other oligarchs will not rush either. as a result of the war, and the collapse of the country

            So the joke is that no one is going to abandon capitalism. Don't you get it? Just offer to cross the "hedgehog with a snake." What do you get? Grudinin hopes - Scandinavian capitalism with a Soviet face. How will it look in Russia? Communities of asexual children?
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 17
              +2
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              Scandinavian capitalism with a Soviet face. How will it look in Russia? Communities of asexual children?

              You have porridge in your head! State Capitalism is the creation of conditions for the increase, accumulation and development of Capital, which is the means of production, raw materials, energy, specialists ... There is no capitalism in our country! there are his horrors and luxuries. We call luxury goods capital: palaces, cottages. Capital, or its derivative - money flows abroad. And we ourselves are to blame for this, buying imported. Communism, or the lighter version - Socialism, implies a state ideology in which the social significance of human actions is higher than individual. For the development of capitalism in our country, it is precisely socialist ideology that is needed!
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 3 February 2018 13: 24
                +3
                Quote: aybolyt678
                You have porridge in your head!

                Dear, “without any mess in your head”, you just read everything about what I wrote or emotions emptied your mind?
                I advise you to calm down, drink valerianochki and carefully re-read the comments. Since an outraged mind can lead to extremely unpleasant consequences for you).
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  It will calm down, drink a valerian and carefully re-read the comments. Since a disturbed mind can lead to extremely unpleasant consequences for you

                  it is you who have reached asexual children in Communism! substitute concepts - social means socialist or communist. angry
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 3 February 2018 16: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    it is you who have reached asexual children in Communism! substitute concepts - social means socialist or communist.

                    Listen!
                    Did you yourself listen to Grudinin and the fact that he cites Scandinavian "socialism" and Chinese "communism" as an example? I personally do not like something else does not fit. We had our own experience of socialist management, quite successful, which we just sold! So why cross the "hedgehog with snake"? Not tired of looking for a soft spot of adventure? Maybe it's easier to bring your "mind"?
                    Or are you talking about? I’m talking about the general ideas of the adhesion of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the NPSR, and this causes me at least caution and not trust at most. From there and the Commune of asexual children!
                    But along the way, you did not take my advice on the account of valerian. Good luck in impulsive impulses! lol
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 5 February 2018 20: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      Scandinavian "socialism" and Chinese "communism" as a role model? I personally do not like something else does not fit.

                      are we fit
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      We had our own experience of socialist management, quite successful

                      it depends on the period - Gorby too ... uh "Communist ??"
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      So why cross the "hedgehog with snake"?
                      the hedgehog was already crossed with a snake, it turned out half a meter of barbed wire: from each according to his ability (how much is able to withstand) to each according to his needs (physiological, Kcal, protein fats and carbohydrates, min. possible dose) this is in prisons.


                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      But along the way, you did not take my advice on the account of valerian. Good luck in impulsive impulses! lol

                      by the way, I’m calm. And the dream is beautiful. I realize impulsive impulses on a wrestling mat. Sambo, you know. Soviet. Still. as a doctor I tell you: every psycho considers himself normal, doubt yourself, and the opinions of others will be a check for you laughing
                      And formulate thoughts more precisely! terms, pay special attention.
            2. Letnab
              Letnab 3 February 2018 13: 26
              +2
              while everything that he offers, it only sounds good ... For all his supposed honesty, where he will find money for all promises, since the fulfillment of promises on the social program can cause only a new round of inflation, which will eat up all the bonuses. Be careful with promises. And the gradual, that is, the smooth execution of his program will cause a similar wave of criticism from the people, including the current members of this site, since the people are always not enough at the moment ... Remember the 90s, where did you start unloved by many forum users Putin, and what changes this year, much has been done, and notice without revolutions! Remember how we were jubilant about our Crimea, and didn’t give a damn about the imposition of sanctions until they felt their action over time, and screamed right away, saying Putin offends ... They didn’t even scream, but picked up the eternal cry of the liberals, who always do not satisfied with less rigid power.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 3 February 2018 13: 36
                +3
                Quote: Letnab
                For all his supposed honesty, where he will find money for all promises, since the fulfillment of promises on the social network can only cause a new round of inflation, which will eat up all the bonuses

                And there are still international obligations concluded by the current government (the same WTO), from which it is extremely difficult to get out without enormous losses.
                And when they lure me: “Schaz, we’ll immediately jump out of the WTO”, I understand that they are seasoning another batch of pasta on my ears or people don’t understand what they’re talking about).
                M, if I understand this with one example, then what will happen to the rest of the “slogans”?
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 3 February 2018 15: 17
                  +6
                  Quote: Sovetskiy
                  And there are still international obligations concluded by the current government (the same WTO), from which it is extremely difficult to get out without enormous losses.

                  Entrance is the ruble, the exit is two. This is true. But Russia will still have to leave the WTO. If we want to restore our own industry, of course, and not hang on the remnants of oil and gas, followed by the inevitable collapse.
          3. Odysseus
            Odysseus 3 February 2018 14: 32
            +5
            Quote: Letnab
            One way or another, for the successful work of the councils, it will be necessary to change the constitution

            Yes it will.
            Quote: Letnab
            remove from power and dispossess the current oligarchs, including the current presidential candidate ..

            Removing from power, yes, dispossessing is not necessary. The authorities of the Russian Federation, of course, are afraid of their own people and the revision of the results of privatization, but now they are most threatened by dispossession of the "Western partners".
            And if the West can play the game "carrot and stick" threatening to take away money, but promising forgiveness to those who will be flexible, then why shouldn't the "candidates from the people" do the same? And Putin and his family and even a couple of close oligarchs can well be promised complete indulgence in the event of a transit of power without war.
            If you mean Grudinin under the “oligarch”, then he is drawn only to a middle-aged businessman, you can not touch such people when restoring the system of Soviets. By itself, the system of Soviets can be combined with private property limited by public interests.
            Quote: Letnab
            as a result of the war, and the collapse of the country

            There will be no war now is not 1918. Well, who will die for Vekselberg or Michelson? Until recently, they (sanctions) themselves lived in Russia on short visits using it only as a place of work. In the event of a real situation when a candidate from the national-patriotic forces can take power (no matter whether it is Grudinin or Strelkov or Udaltsov, etc.) they just board a plane and say hi. That's the whole war. It's another matter that they understand this and therefore created a political system in which it is simply impossible to change power by legal means.
            1. Letnab
              Letnab 3 February 2018 17: 14
              +1
              [quote = Odyssey] [And Putin and his family and even a couple of close oligarchs can well be promised complete indulgence in the event of a transit of power without war
              Offer to bargain for power? In principle, elections are appointed for that, that would change the power in a civilized manner. Bidding, it’s already within the government ... the voter will not be allowed to bid, despite the democratic nature of the change of power, and even with the military option (the voter will be used as cannon fodder for anyone’s interests ...).
              There will be no war now is not 1918.
              Stroporez Quote: I always ask a question, and who is going to fight with whom? I know clearly that I have no contradictions with you, I am for the people, and not for a bunch of robbers of the country.
              Answer: You know, I would not say that. When communicating with peasants in a relaxed atmosphere, or in other situations when it comes to politics, you pay attention that peasants are just waiting for a clue to rob everyone who lives better under the guise of ... To variations of what, for example, by virtue of acquaintance they won’t come to me, but some of their relatives will unknowingly go to me, and I will put it in defense of them, they think, they don’t respond due to the fact that they can already quarrel. But for the future it is already necessary to reflect. Here is an option to start a civil. Given the number of opinions here on the forum among the participants, imagine that people will begin to promote their ideas by force and what it will result in. And it all starts with a hard redistribution of property.
          4. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 3 February 2018 15: 17
            +6
            Quote: Letnab
            . Will he agree to give his property to the people, and other oligarchs will not rush either

            The GPN clearly said that it would introduce a progressive taxation scale and was ready to pay up to 60% of its income in the forefront.
            And the GPN has no property abroad.
            Quote: Letnab
            as a result of the war, and the collapse of the country

            I always ask a question, and who is going to fight with whom? I know clearly that I have no contradictions with you, I am for the people, and not for a bunch of robbers of the country.
            1. Letnab
              Letnab 3 February 2018 17: 19
              +1
              quote [i] [i] The GPN clearly said that it would introduce a progressive taxation scale and was ready to pay up to 60% of its income in the forefront.
              And the GPN has no property abroad

              Not against the progressive taxation scale.
              As for the first ranks of the State Tax Service, I do not believe in the payment of taxes, because he is primarily a businessman, not a saint ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 3 February 2018 20: 06
                +3
                Quote: Letnab
                I don’t believe the calculation of the first ranks of the State Tax Inspectorate for paying taxes, because he is primarily a businessman, not a saint ...

                I do not set the task to convince you. Look at the videos of Grudinin himself or many of his Companions whom you trust. hi
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 54
          +3
          Quote: Odyssey
          the restoration of the system of Soviets necessarily requires the liquidation of all bourgeois-parliamentary structures

          No, not all and not necessarily, new requirements, new laws and guidelines - just state ideology is needed
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 3 February 2018 14: 46
            +2
            Quote: aybolyt678
            No, not all and not necessarily, new requirements, new laws and guidelines

            There seems to be confusion.
            Tips as a political principle (as Shevchenko spoke of) are organs of direct democracy, denying the separation of powers, organs of "autocratic". They do not combine with bourgeois parliamentarism in any way. This is a different type of government of a corresponding different civilization than the Western-market one.
            Tips like label, label is just another name for parliamentary authority or bodies
            local government. They can be introduced at least tomorrow simply by renaming the State Duma to Verkhov. The council will not change anything from this.
            The article (which we are discussing) refers to the Soviets in the first sense, as the Soviet power, "the power of the whole people."
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 February 2018 22: 35
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              The article (which we are discussing) refers to the Soviets in the first sense, as the Soviet power, "the power of the whole people."

              the power of the whole people .... The people - it is gray by definition. The power of cooks is equated with the power of the military Nonsense! Have you ever thought about the meaning of the word Aristocracy - the power of the best? In the history of Russia, this environment of Catherine 2 - Potemkim, Suvorov, Kutuzov, Nakhimov, Lomonosov ... All from the bottom, reached the top, almost no one became very rich
      2. zyzx
        zyzx 3 February 2018 09: 20
        +3
        Quote: Letnab
        it is necessary to remove the various parliaments.

        Well, why do we need these parasites?
        1. Letnab
          Letnab 3 February 2018 09: 38
          +2
          We just change the names ... te signs, but the radish is not sweeter ...
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 February 2018 10: 45
            +7
            Quote: Letnab
            We just change the names ... te signs, but the radish is not sweeter ...

            And the parasites who were under these signs on normal people. Then the horseradish will not be sweeter than radish.
            1. Letnab
              Letnab 3 February 2018 13: 13
              +2
              Yes, parasites under signs who elected? And everyone seemed honest people ...
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 3 February 2018 13: 26
            +3
            there were always parasites .. There simply is no institution that would reveal the deficiencies in the work of such officials at a party meeting. For popular discontent to have at least some legal significance.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 51
        +5
        Quote: Letnab
        Robyat, did you collapse with oak? Recovery tips

        Councils, parliaments, committees ... First you need to develop an ideology, give it the status of a state. Patriotism should be aimed at the prosperity of the country. Like in China, where the recommendation of the Party Committee is binding on the court. So when, when people from Armenia or Uzbekistan build the road, there is someone to ask the Authorities: Why are they not building OWN ??
      4. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 3 February 2018 11: 22
        +3
        Quote: Letnab
        How many officials will be added, how long will legislative activities be, and who will put the steps on whom, etc.?

        This is the reason that without the “governing and guiding” there will be the same thing that was in our Supreme Council of the 90s and the current Ukrainian Rada - the faces will beat nobly, and there will be zero effective solutions for the country.
      5. Victor N
        Victor N 3 February 2018 11: 56
        +4
        The Soviets are elected authorities, of which there are enough now. Just rename?
      6. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 3 February 2018 13: 15
        0
        If we call the Duma “advice” and the president “General Secretary”, then really a lot will change.
        What is more relevant, for example, is the question of territorial structure, why aren’t any forces putting it forward for discussion?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 3 February 2018 16: 36
          +4
          Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
          What is more relevant, for example, is the question of territorial structure, why aren’t any forces putting it forward for discussion?

          Savelyev answers:
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 3 February 2018 10: 40
      +4
      Quote: Odyssey
      So there are few chances. But it is necessary to fight, under a lying stone water does not flow.

      It is necessary to fight even if Putin wins, but Grudinin will gain a decent amount of points, this will show a public request for reform.
      and if Grudinin wins, I don’t think that Putin will leave politics, remain in the Duma, or Prime Minister, Minister ...
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 3 February 2018 15: 06
        +3
        Quote: aybolyt678
        and if Grudinin wins, I don’t think that Putin will leave politics, remain in the Duma, or Prime Minister, Minister ...

        There is no need to fall into illusions. Putin will win Putin’s election. Now the most problematic thing for the government is the pressure of their Western partners, therefore Navalny is even more dangerous for them now than Grudinin (why he was not allowed before this election). Everything will be decided after the 18th year . This does not mean that you need to give up, but I repeat I do not need to fall into excessive illusions.
        Quote: aybolyt678
        It is necessary to fight even if Putin wins, but Grudinin will gain a decent amount of points, this will show a public request for reform.

        Again, I wrote not about these elections, but about the possibility of restoring the system of Soviets as a whole. As for these elections, of course, it is necessary to fight for a good percentage (a boycott is only beneficial for Navalny and K), but it’s not yet noticeable that Grudinin leaves out of control of the authorities and began to seriously fight for power. While this is more like an imitation of the election campaign, and the imitation is not too skillful.
        There is nowhere to go, you need to vote for him, but so far I am not particularly optimistic.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 3 February 2018 15: 42
          +7
          Quote: Odyssey
          Everything will be decided after the 18th year. This does not mean that you need to give up, but I repeat I do not need to fall into excessive illusions.

          Dear Odysseus! hi Everything can fall out much earlier, everything will depend, not even on external pressure, but on the situation inside the country. The stratification of society is too great, and the “bonds” do not hold anyone together and attempts to equate 146 million citizens with the “Kremlin list” are only provoking great hostility. If we assume the GPN is gaining a sufficiently large percentage in the elections, then the people will immediately see that there are a lot of dissatisfied, respectively, they will see the possibility of changes in course. And what do you think will happen if some saw the possibility of changes, and the course remains the same?
  4. Pavel_n
    Pavel_n 3 February 2018 07: 42
    12
    The article is relevant and necessary. Thank.
  5. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 09: 41
    11
    Malcheg decided to promote ... on a muddy wave.
    Malchega is not the first time. Let me remind you that this is the same person who said that "not Russian but Yeltsin soldiers died in Chechnya," and also that "the genocide of Russians in Chechnya is a legend that does not have sufficiently clear evidence."
    Now here are the Tips to revive going ... nude-nude request
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 3 February 2018 09: 58
      +4
      Oddly enough, I absolutely agree with you, I recall his past highs and gentle friendship with Jamal
  6. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 3 February 2018 10: 01
    +3
    Quote: Gardamir
    [. Why are you so afraid of PN Grudinin?

    Sergey Yesenin answered your question:

    "Who would know how tired we are
    From the vile souls of rotten people
    How to live unbearably
    Among these creatures and bl .... "

    S. A. Yesenin
    https://sergey-esenin.su/?page_id=55
    (you can’t throw words out of the classics. so. sorry for ....)
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 3 February 2018 10: 09
      14
      Quote: To be or not to be
      How to live unbearably
      Among these creatures and bl .... "

      agree
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 February 2018 11: 03
        12
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        Quote: To be or not to be
        How to live unbearably
        Among these creatures and bl .... "

        agree

        Those hypocrites who frantically seeks out “untold” riches from Grudinin and find houses of 200 sq.m., on the area of ​​which only watchmen and security guards from real oligarchs can be accommodated, do not at all notice the coder that Garant brought up, where luxury breaks down literally everything. Those hypocrites are not at all interested in the fact that even government officials under Putin live many times richer than the average businessman Pavel Grudinin. Is it normal? And they don’t want to hear at all that Grudinin is just against the oligarchic Caudla, since he comes from the Communists.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 3 February 2018 11: 59
        +1
        WHY are there no Russians? Just don’t say that you are deprived of your mind.
        1. Fox
          Fox 3 February 2018 15: 15
          +4
          Quote: Victor N
          WHY are there no Russians? Just don’t say that you are deprived of your mind.

          So the guarantor, the campaign, does not have any Russian friends. They don’t like Russian foulbrood.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 05
      +4
      "Who would know how tired we are

  7. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 3 February 2018 10: 36
    +8
    How does Shevchenko and Grudinin feel ...? And ... You will ride around Russia and talk with people and old people who have 6 thousand pensions and a little more salaries for workers. Look at the ruins of military towns, disappearing villages with old people living in them ... that’s it .. And what the guarantor says to us for 17 years .. remember what he said in 2004 and 2012 and what he did ... Lies and only lies, nothing not fulfilled from what he had said before .. Russia turned into a cash cow of the West .. In a word .. March 18 .. ahead of Putin. Chubais. Medvedev and the direct road ... and then you know where.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 10: 53
      11
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      nothing is done from what he said before

      Lies...
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Russia turned into a cash cow of the West

      Once again, a lie ...
      A cash cow of the West of the Russian Federation became and was under Bora Drunk. GDP just stopped this disgrace if you are not in the know.
      The whiners are already tired. If only to blur negative
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 February 2018 11: 24
        13
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Once again, a lie ...
        A cash cow of the West of the Russian Federation became and was under Bora Drunk. GDP just stopped this disgrace if you are not in the know.

        It was, and remains, the financial half of the US colony. The ruble is directly dependent on the dollar (its issue), Putin holds reserves of gold reserves in foreign currency and in US debt papers. The situation has generally not changed. So you hurried to blame a person for lying, it most likely refers to you. This is usually the case with all gorlopans.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 12: 01
          +8
          Quote: Stas157
          As it was, it remained

          Lies...
          Quote: Stas157
          The ruble is directly dependent on the dollar (its issue)

          This is ... debatable, so to speak ...
          Quote: Stas157
          Putin holds reserves of gold reserves in foreign currency and in American debt papers

          And what do you suggest keeping them in? And shells with Kauri?
          World practice, however ... stasik wink
          Quote: Stas157
          The situation has generally not changed.

          Lies...
          Quote: Stas157
          this is the case with all throats

          With you, for example ... stasik yes
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 February 2018 13: 42
            +9
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Lies...

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            This is ... debatable, so to speak ...

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            World practice, however ... stasik

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Lies...

            You have very strong arguments.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And what do you suggest keeping them in? And shells with Kauri?

            Do the USA themselves hold their state reserves in rubles or in Kauri shells?
            Why are we humiliating ourselves with this? After all, American securities are the same shells for the Indians.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 13: 59
              +5
              Quote: Stas157
              You have very strong arguments.

              Which opponent - such and arguments.
              You do not climb to argue, note.
              And you don’t climb correctly, you know that on the nose you will receive the result of the dispute.
              Quote: Stas157
              Do the USA themselves hold their state reserves in rubles or in Kauri shells?

              No. For this, the United States has a dollar provided by an aircraft carrier fleet and worldwide bases, and a printing press.
              No other country has this, so all other countries keep part of their gold and foreign currency reserves in dollars and treasures.
              You might think that you are not in the know laughing
              Quote: Stas157
              American securities - the same shells for the Indians

              Tell it to the Chinese. They have one treasure for $ 1.4 lard. That is 14 times more than that of the Russian Federation.
              There, the campaign, all the leaders are fools and criminals, and they need to be "shot a little", og yes
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 3 February 2018 14: 27
                10
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Which opponent - such and arguments.
                You do not climb to argue, note.
                And you don’t climb correctly, you know that on the nose you will receive the result of the dispute.

                And with whom and with what to argue, let me? If you have a favorite argument: "Lies!" and the like with this, and the transition to personality, of course! “I don’t respond to barking, and I’m not going to overpower with you,” one historical character would say about this incident.))
                Answer of Ivan the Terrible to the Swedish king Johan III:
                And if you, taking a dog’s mouth, want to bark for fun, then it’s your servile custom: it’s an honor for you, great sovereigns, to dishonor you, and barking to you to write is even worse, and overwhelm you - Worse that does not happen in this world. And if you want to transfuse, then you find yourself the same serf as you yourself are a serf, and with it, transfuse. From now on, no matter how you write barking, we will not give you any answer "

                Wise was a man! You would, Glovan, he answered the same thing. Or did not answer at all. What a brawler you are here everyone knows.
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Tell it to the Chinese.

                Again in a circle, with the Chinese? I will write again. The Chinese are selling $ 600 billion worth of American consumer goods with America, so for the sake of such a holy cause, you can also buy treasures. Fight off a hundredfold! But for what is Russia doing this? To walk with outstretched hands, in search of a loan at a higher percentage?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 14: 52
                  +6
                  Oh, stasik ... in vain you climb under slippers wink
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Do the USA themselves hold their state reserves in rubles or in Kauri shells?

                  The question is idiotic .. I justified you above.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  American securities - the same shells

                  Bullshit (TM).
                  For these "shells" everywhere in this world you are willing to sell everything that is for sale.
                  And for a very large number of them, and with your luck, they will also sell what is not for sale.
                  If you do not know this, then you will go to elementary school.
                  If you know this, then you are a small troll, starving ...
                  For some reason, it seems to me that you are just a troll ... stasik.
                  Quote: Stas157
                  The Chinese for 600 billion dollars with America are selling their consumer goods, so for the sake of such a holy cause you can buy treasure

                  At 1.4 trillion ???
                  Mdya ... economics, do not take away.
                  Hike, you still updated the training manual ... but updated carelessly wassat
                  And why do different countries buy a treasure - here, the comrade explained something quite sensibly Monster fat.
                  Read, enlighten ... strongly recommend yes
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 3 February 2018 12: 30
        +6
        Golovan Jack Today, 10:53
        A cash cow of the West of the Russian Federation became and was under Bora Drunk. GDP just stopped this disgrace if you are not in the know.

        Now let's compare who and how "milks a cow"
        Yeltsin - gas pipeline "Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod", built in 1983 year, actually the only export "gas pipe".
        - Oil pipeline "Friendship", built in 60's Years.
        Putin - to previously constructed pipelines are added:
        - "Yamal-Europe." It was commissioned at the end of 1999. At design capacity, went to 2006 year.
        - The Blue Stream. A gas pipeline between Russia and Turkey, laid along the bottom of the Black Sea. Commercial supplies of Russian natural gas through a gas pipeline to Turkey began in February 2003 year.
        - The Nord Stream. October 8th 2012 years, gas supplies began on two lines of the gas pipeline in a commercial mode.
        Under construction are the Turkish Stream and the Power of Siberia.
        So who won the competition for the title of "Best Milking Machine Operator"?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 12: 35
          +8
          Bad troll ... fat negative
          What was discussed initially:
          Quote: plotnikov561956
          Russia turned into cash cow of the West..

          Putin, like, turned belay
          What do you propose to discuss:
          Quote: Freeman
          Putin - added to previously constructed pipelines ...

          And which, excuse me, is one related to the other?
          И what kind of profit does the West have from newly built gas pipelines?
          Fail, try again wink
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 3 February 2018 14: 43
            +5
            Golovan Jack Today, 12:35
            What was discussed initially:
            Quote: plotnikov561956
            Russia turned into a cash cow of the West ..
            Putin, like, turned

            Well, Putin has nothing to do with it. He only continued the policy of his predecessor, Yeltsin.
            And maybe even earlier ones, from Peter I - who “drove” the hemp and the forest “to the West”, to Nicholas II - “who drove” the wheat. lol
            And what kind of profit does the West have from newly constructed gas pipelines?

            Lower prices on the energy market. The larger the offer, the lower the price.
            In 2016, Russian gas was more competitive than LNG. Its price fell below the price of spot exchange gas. According to the IMF, the price of Russian gas on the border with Germany on average in 2016 amounted to $ 156,7 per thousand cubic meters, which is 40,4% less than in 2015. At the same time, in September the price of Russian gas on the border with Germany dropped to the lowest level since September 2004 - $ 142,6 per thousand cubic meters. For comparison, the average annual price of spot gas at the German EEX site amounted to $ 161,0 per thousand cubic meters.
            http://riarating.ru/countries/20170608/630064764.
            html
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 35
              +6
              Still a bad troll ... request
              Quote: Freeman
              Putin ... just continued politics ... Yeltsin

              But was that "continue"? Neither domestic nor foreign policy under Drunk ... was somehow observed, no?
              What did you want to say something, heartfelt?
              Quote: Freeman
              Lower prices on the energy market. The larger the offer, the lower the price

              Sit down, two.
              When you sit down denser (so as not to fall by chance) - take an interest in the current oil price.
              When you realize - take an interest in factors influencing this price.
              Self educate in short yes
              1. Freeman
                Freeman 3 February 2018 18: 30
                +3
                Golovan Jack Today, 16:35
                But was that "continue"? Neither domestic nor foreign policy under Drunk ... was somehow observed, no?

                This character disagrees with you

                What did you want to say something, heartfelt?

                Ku (all other words)
                Sit down, two. Self-forming, in short

                Kyu (an expletive in society)
                Threat. In normal Russian, you do not understand. I turn to Chatlan.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 18: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: Freeman
                  This character disagrees with you

                  I am quite flattered good
                  Of all the foreign ministers I “saw”, this one is the least likable to me.
                  Quote: Freeman
                  I turn to Chatlan

                  Yes, even in Yiddish ... you have nothing to say request
                  1. Freeman
                    Freeman 3 February 2018 20: 34
                    +4
                    Golovan Jack Today, 18:37
                    I am quite flattered

                    But essentially have something to say?
                    I am about your statement about the lack of foreign and domestic policy in the Yeltsin era.
                    And this is what Yeltsin himself says about the tasks of his policy.
                    You can say the keynote speech.

                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 20: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: Freeman
                      But essentially have something to say?

                      Yavol.
                      Good already get along here shove. Under-presidents and under-ministers.
                      What they once said is not interesting to anyone.
                      And what they did - I experienced in my own skin.
                      Adult I'm a boy already, panimish request
                      Quote: Freeman
                      I am about your statement about the lack of foreign and domestic policy in the Yeltsin era

                      I repeat: neither the domestic nor (especially) the foreign policy of the Russian Federation in the "Yeltsin era" with the naked eye ... was not visible.
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 3 February 2018 21: 01
                        +2
                        Golovan Jack Today, 20:38
                        Good already get along here shove.

                        Is documentary a crap?
                        - However. request
                        What they once said is not interesting to anyone.
                        And what they did - I experienced in my own skin.

                        I see you have not watched a single clip.
                        Scribble the answers too fast, like an autobot.
                        I repeat: neither the domestic nor (especially) the foreign policy of the Russian Federation in the "Yeltsin era" with the naked eye ... was not visible.

                        If you do not want to see something, this does not mean that this does not exist.
  8. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 3 February 2018 11: 05
    +3
    To be honest, the impression of the article is some kind of mess, some kind of mess.
    What crashed.
    First, the author talks about the refusal to personalize the program of ideologies, and then says: "and the other - Grudinin, Alexander Andreevich Prokhanov, me and many tens of millions."
    The author speaks of the Soviet vector of development and immediately speaks of the capitalism of the intranational owner. How does this fit together? Popular councils and private owners? What then will be the people's councils? Again, how is a bunch of lobbyists sitting in the State Duma now? Then this "struggle" for power resembles fuss for the redistribution of seats at the state feeding trough. Where is the clear program ?!
    I have nothing against Grudinin, but personally, in my opinion, the union of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation with the NPSR is a mistake. A kind of "Swan, Cancer and Pike" in one glass. Maybe that's why the author is so confused and contradictory?
    Although the grandfather "SJ" can be understood in the creation of this union. The rating falls to the “communist bourgeoisie," who even did not bother to organize properly throughout the whole of Russia, even the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, which they use as their emblem. And people were waiting. It became a pity for the money, which is allotted from the state pocket to the party anyway?) Or how has everyone in our State already "cut it"?
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 3 February 2018 11: 09
    +6
    Consider Grudinin as a real contender for power is not worth it. And he, and Zhirinovsky, and Sobchak perform the function of a fire, the heat of which takes citizens out of political suspended animation.
  10. vfqjh
    vfqjh 3 February 2018 11: 39
    +8
    After reading the article, I deliberately did not express my opinion, I wanted to see the reaction of the members of the forum. Alas, you did not please me, go to some kind of flat stamps - the good one, the bad one, the honest one (makes us happy), this one lies (hides money). I look and wonder, but do you have your own head and opinion ??? All adults who lived under socialism, during the transition period, now hell knows what. So answer yourself - is such a mess happy with you? I am a pensioner, while I continue to work, because the fact that I have earned 42 years of working experience can only be paid for the apartment and tutu - tutu will remain for the rest, but sometimes I want to fill up a pile, so I have to work. What am I doing? Whatever the author, thank him for the article, but the time has come for the country to change something, it should not be further. Zhirinovsky once suggested that Putin be made a monarch, but now he has put forward his candidacy and nothing ... I’m not campaigning for anyone, but turn on your little thought room rather than just pour mud on each other. How many people, so many opinions. Be human!
  11. Pavel_n
    Pavel_n 3 February 2018 12: 00
    +8
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Once again, a lie ...
    A cash cow of the West of the Russian Federation became and was under Bora Drunk. GDP just stopped this disgrace if you are not in the know.


    There is such a site, Rosstat is called. There are all the answers, including on the topic of the village:
    How agricultural has changed in ten years, from 2006-2016 Have a look.

    "http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/business/sx
    /vsxp2016/prez-pred-itog.pdf "

    Here is one of the slides:

    one more:

    About equipment:


    Analyze, and then yell joyfully, "Everything is fine with us." Not good, but very bad. And you are Jack Golovan - doing fraud!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 12: 06
      +6
      Quote: Pavel_N
      And you are Jack Golovan - doing fraud!

      Nah ... rubbing, ahem, points are doing here just you.
      What do your pictures have to do with what I said?
      Right ... no yes
      Free ... next laughing
      1. Pavel_n
        Pavel_n 3 February 2018 12: 10
        +8
        He who has eyes will see. He who knows how to think will understand. You are apparently out of luck twice. A throat, indeed, it works out best for you.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 12: 11
          +5
          Quote: Pavel_N
          He who has eyes will see. He who knows how to think will understand

          Forgot to add: "as advertisements."
          He said already - free ... what is not clear?
          1. Pavel_n
            Pavel_n 3 February 2018 12: 12
            +7
            Free, that's it. And you are not a decree to me.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 12: 14
              +7
              Quote: Pavel_N
              you are not a decree to me

              And I do not pretend.
              It is you who are trying to molest me for some reason, and not I before you.
              Quote: Pavel_N
              Free, that's it

              You go ... in peace, here wink
    2. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 3 February 2018 13: 10
      +8
      Pavel_N Today, 12:00 Do not try to prove something to the dog, tell him. It is violet yes Here he fulfills his bone. And he copes with his task perfectly. hi
  12. vfqjh
    vfqjh 3 February 2018 12: 14
    +7
    Turn on the box, now at 12:12, the TVC, a concert .... But is this not an election campaign for Putin for our money ???
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 3 February 2018 13: 29
      +7
      Quote: vfqjh
      Turn on the box, now at 12:12, the TVC, a concert .... But is this not an election campaign for Putin for our money ???

      No. This is a one-time action to increase the welfare of the "people." wassat

      Sorry for the quality, "shot on a vernier caliper."
    2. Height
      Height 3 February 2018 18: 19
      +1
      Where did I see my money?
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 3 February 2018 13: 16
    +9
    Shevchenko, Russian fools and roads

    The publication of Shevchenko caused a considerable commotion among strategists of the couch armies, who were openly vicious both against the author and against his ideas. This is pleasing and means hitting the target.

    1. Shevchenko took the liberty of openly supporting Grudinin, and the authorities, paying for hired Internet jesters, understood that Grudinin could become a problem in the elections, therefore, he activated against Grudinin and against his supporting media figures all of his potential Internet-marauk, all of whose strength as applied to local actors, enclosed in large buttons on uniform

    2. In addition to paid clowns, realizing that they are salary clowns, this work is completely free, on a voluntary basis, performed by representatives of a wide range of stupid and cowardly people who are afraid to even think with their own head about the processes taking place in society today, people who can only bulls, stupidly react and spread verbal diarrhea to one or another red rag, shown by puppeteers in advance, namely:
    - Grudinin is a billionaire,
    - he stole the entire state farm,
    - he took the last from pensioners,
    - he is a communist leading people to queues for sausage for 2.20.,
    - Grudinin wants to take everything away from everyone and share it,
    - he is a strawberry oligarch,
    - he wants to put everyone in the gulag
    - he is a decoy of the Kremlin,
    - he works on the Maidan,
    - the State Department pays him,
    - he is a relative of Abramovich,
    - he has dozens of accounts with billions abroad,
    - he is Yeltsin (or Gorbachev)
    - he sold the communist idea,
    - he is for socialism (and we know what it is, you won’t fool us on the chaff)
    - he divorced his wife,
    - he is a communist
    - he is anti-communist,
    - he just wants to become the head of the Vidnovsky district, etc.

    Moreover, people believe in all this nonsense at the same time.

    3. Shevchenko’s ideas about the power of the Soviets are expressed against the background of his bright and strong position as Grudinin’s confidant, therefore they are doubly dangerous, and if he wins, I mean, they will go to round 2, so they are trying to stop them in the bud, not even letting them discuss this topic, connecting both paid and voluntary hackers on TV and the Internet

    4. For me, the most surprising thing is that after the first throws of this information war, people who are not even the middle class (they don’t care about the drum), but that they are virtually destitute in the broad sense (no prospects), become Russian anti-strangers (and anti-Shevchenkovskinists) "educated" who, if they have a used jeep, consider themselves wealthy, as well as pensioners for 15-17 thousand generous Putin pensions (they just had no war, they were pumped, and the sternum would come and take everything away, at the same time all charges are taken at once)

    5. Therefore, Maxim Shevchenko is right,
    Grudinin will win
    if the masses are smarter and bolder, less gullible and start to think with our own head,
    и
    all to the polls!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 13: 22
      +8
      Quote: akudr48
      Grudinin will win

      Have fun, guys, have fun ...
      You do not have much time to have fun. After March 18th, all of you will again fall to the bottom ... from where, in fact, they crawled out now.
      Here she is right - it would be more likely this is March 18th! Already got ... agitators, throats and leaders yes
    2. dSK
      dSK 3 February 2018 21: 43
      +1
      Quote: akudr48
      all to the polls!

      Single objective words.
  14. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 14: 20
    +9
    Quote: GradusHuK
    Pavel_N Today, 12:00 Do not try to prove something to the dog, tell him. It is violet yes Here he fulfills his bone. And he copes with his task perfectly. hi

    For colleagues juggling “doggies” and “bones”, I will unsubscribe once. The benefit is a day off, and there is free time for now.
    I suggest that you look at your beloved colleague, candidate G., from the point of view of risk analysis (Risk Analysis), and see what his election could potentially lead to. So, than, IMHO, this candidate is strange:
    1. He goes to the polls, in all seriousness, giving out the so-called “20 steps” per action program.
    At the same time, this document is, at best, a list of good wishes (at worst, noodles on the ears of the electorate), and not a program at all.
    Hence the question: what does this character really mean to do as president?
    2. The candidate was nominated by some obscure force (the union of the left with the right ... Swan-crayfish-pike), whose weight in real politics is now not even zero, but rather negative.
    Question: on whose support does the candidate (or those who really stand behind him) count on him, would he really be elected President of the Russian Federation? Unclear...
    * "support of the people" does not offer, we are talking about real forces, not crowds on the street.
    3. The so-called "state farm named after Lenin" has been served for quite some time as an "island Raya socialism in capitalist hell. "
    The project, in itself, is quite expensive, and it was launched far from yesterday and not a year ago.
    Hence the question: where does the money come from for promoting the "state farm" and the "red director"?
    * Strawberries and stuff like that - don't offer. There will not even be enough renting of primkadovo land.
    4. The candidate promotes the idea of ​​cutting back on the presidential (own) power and the creation of a certain State Council (Politburo). Who will enter this Politburo is not disclosed. The fact that it will be an absolutely closed and sovereign body - at the same time, is beyond doubt.
    Question: Why is this a presidential candidate?
    Answer: this is not for him "why." This is “why” to precisely those forces (still incomprehensible) that have raised this candidate and are now trying to promote them to power.
    And if we recall Grudinin’s praises from McFaul on Twitter, I’m completely uncomfortable with the assumptions about what kind of strength this might be.
    I can continue, but so far enough.
    What is the bottom line:
    A certain (unknown to us and not in a hurry to seem) forces fostered and put forward for the “race” a candidate of incomprehensible political views, without a real program and in general, not provoking much trust (if you approach without emotions).
    The risk that the Russian Federation again (as it was under Bora Bukh) may fall under full external control is beyond.
    That is precisely why I will from time to time poke the nose of especially fiery speakers into the facts that their "screaming" nullifies.
    Dixi yes
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 3 February 2018 15: 13
      +2
      Golovan Jack Today, 14:20
      4. The candidate promotes the idea of ​​cutting back on the presidential (own) power and the creation of a certain State Council (Politburo). Who will enter this Politburo is not disclosed. The fact that it will be an absolutely closed and sovereign body - at the same time, is beyond doubt.
      Question: Why is this a presidential candidate?
      Answer: this is not for him "why." This is “why” to precisely those forces (still incomprehensible) that have raised this candidate and are now trying to promote them to power.

      Also embarrassed by this point. Is this the embodiment of NPP (Putin’s New Plan) by 2024?
      Grudinin is promoted (possibly) to the second round, but will win GDP. And after some time, "going to meet the wishes of the population," partially embody some points of the Grudinin program. Well, there a progressive income tax will be introduced, the pressure on small and medium-sized businesses will be reduced.
      But this point is the main. And to enter it does not interfere with anything - the thought is under control. And there you can safely change seats in the chair of the "chairman" and until the end of your life no longer think about the elections, "direct lines" and other fuss. And we will have our “Rahbar” in our country.
      Beauty. wassat
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 16: 06
      +8
      All your arguments are absolutely demagogic and anti-people inherently. Although on the other hand, acting as a critic of Grudinin, you are useful in the sense that by criticizing him you convince your opponents of the correctness of your choice.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 14
        +7
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        you convince your opponents of the correctness of their choice

        Ur-i-i-yay? Already possible?
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        All your arguments are absolutely demagogic

        Look in the mirror ...
        However, what am I talking about - you have no arguments at all ... as a class.
        And I have long since forgotten how to believe your words ... and I loved hamsters, as a child.
        Is free yes
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 16: 20
          +4
          Have you not yet understood that Grudinin is a project of the Kremlin political technologists? smile
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 44
            +5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Grudinin project of the Kremlin political strategists?

            Go out with akudr48 talk on this subject ... with Gardamir, Karabinin NorDural ... well, you will find, in short, with whom.
            As for the “Kremlin political technologists” - it’s “nothing”, there are technologists who are completely diverse in purpose and orientation.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 19: 29
              +1
              So you did not guess? Ah ha ha Epic you burst. laughing
          2. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 3 February 2018 16: 47
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Grudinin project of the Kremlin political strategists?

            who called McFaul and asked him to support fellow
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 19: 27
              +3
              And once the United States spoke of a good guy GDP. We write it on this basis in the agents of the State Department?
              1. Tatanka Yotanka
                Tatanka Yotanka 3 February 2018 20: 47
                +3
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And once the United States spoke of a good guy GDP. We write it on this basis in the agents of the State Department?

                the fact of the matter is that the local Putintsevs, McFaul-Grudinin was the chief trump card-agent of the State Department, now it turns out that he is an agent of the Kremlin, the situation for everyone is incomprehensible fellow
          3. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 20: 57
            +4
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            the local Putintsevs, McFaul-Grudinin was the chief trump card-agent of the State Department, now it turns out that he is an agent of the Kremlin, the situation is incomprehensible to everyone

            And what, it is proved that G. is an agent of the Kremlin?
            And what ... is proven, I dare to ask?
            Ah, this one:
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Do not you understand yet

            So it is (just) IS-80 сказал wink
            He, in general, of that ... well, he likes to talk, in short ...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 4 February 2018 00: 05
              +3
              Why is it incomprehensible? Elections have long turned into a one-man show, people are tired of going to them because it doesn’t change anything, previous elections to the State Duma demonstrated it quite well. Now imagine that not 48 percent of voters will come to the next presidential election, like to the State Duma elections, but say 35. What kind of legitimacy can we talk about in this case? And if even less comes? This option is also possible. Then figure it out yourself, or again you need to explain? smile
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 00: 08
                +5
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                What legitimacy can we talk about in this case?

                Let me remind you - legitimacy is the consent of the masses to power over it. This is, in short.
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Imagine that not 48 percent of voters will come to the next presidential election, like to the State Duma elections, but say 35

                Read the election law ... for the coming dream.
                There is no lower turnout there.
                Those who did not appear at the polls agree with any decision.
                So a feint with "legitimacy" ... somehow it doesn't look, no?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 4 February 2018 00: 16
                  +3
                  At least in brief. laughing
                  Spit on the slats. Legitimacy is a terrible thing. And yes, you can even pass a law that even if everything is against, you’re still the president. Although probably it will not be the president in this case. laughing
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 00: 26
                    +5
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Legitimacy is a scary thing

                    What is interesting?
                    Other ... sorry, nonsense - I do not comment request
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 4 February 2018 00: 36
                      +2
                      At least the fact that everyone will use it against you. Both internal enemies and external. And the fact that this is an indicator of attitude to power. How will the people accept the attempt to change it by force. And yes, you can’t apologize. I understand my texts are too complicated for your perception.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 00: 41
                        +5
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        At least the fact that everyone will use it against you ...

                        Well, against me personally - hardly anyone will use it.
                        Against the authorities - it is possible. But these are not my problems, but the authorities ... why pound something?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        ... this is an indicator of attitude to power. How will the people accept the attempt to change it by force

                        Nonsense.
                        After a number of maidans worldwide, the population of them ... an allergy.
                        Moreover, the authorities are quite able to protect themselves ... as bequeathed, in particular, the great Lenin.
                        That's about as request
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 4 February 2018 00: 52
                        +2
                        And who is talking about Maidan? It will be a revolution organized by disinterested patriots. laughing
                        Are you talking about Rosguardia? I would not really rely on her in your place. Like the FSB and the Army with the Navy. Especially after they showed themselves in the 90s.
                      3. Victor N
                        Victor N 4 February 2018 07: 42
                        0
                        If the people are so indifferent to their country that they will not go to the polls, then they are unworthy to have their own country. At the cemetery of HISTORY!
            2. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 4 February 2018 00: 31
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And what, it is proved that G. is an agent of the Kremlin?
              And what ... is proven, I dare to ask?

              yes, there is no evidence, and why they are, such a country we have, everything according to Khazanov, we know who, where we know, we know why and we can’t prove, there’s nothing to cling to, Chubais would explain to you in more detail
    3. Height
      Height 3 February 2018 18: 24
      +4
      The 20 Steps program is a program for suckers.
      1. onix757
        onix757 3 February 2018 18: 33
        +7
        The 20 Steps program is a program for suckers.

        Tolley affair program from edrosov. They are only tsifirki on their opus and change the people with this noodle called "about nothing and everything" for 18 years, go around the ears. By the way, how many did not remind them?)
        1. Height
          Height 3 February 2018 18: 56
          +1
          Now we are talking about “20 steps”, do not skip the topic. Or he is bad, and these are even worse, better in essence.
          1. onix757
            onix757 3 February 2018 19: 08
            +4
            Quote: Height
            Now we are talking about “20 steps”, do not skip the topic. Or he is bad, and these are even worse, better in essence.

            Let's talk. What did you find in it anti-state / anti-people (Lochowski in your expression)?
            1. Height
              Height 3 February 2018 19: 11
              +2
              Have you read about taxes? Believe it? Then I congratulate you.
              1. onix757
                onix757 3 February 2018 19: 17
                +5
                Have you read about taxes? Believe it? Then I congratulate you.

                Not only read, but also welcomed in its entirety.
                8. Taxes - in the interests of justice and development. The income tax on the rich will rise, and for the poor it will be abolished. The tax system will stimulate investment and innovation activities of enterprises. The value added tax strangling our industry will be eliminated. We will cancel the transport tax and the Platon system.
                1. Height
                  Height 3 February 2018 19: 24
                  +2
                  I agree, but to welcome one thing, and to do it is another. Many fought, fought and could not, but they can. Everything will be canceled, and then where will the money be taken for free medicine, housing, kindergartens, etc.?
                  1. onix757
                    onix757 3 February 2018 19: 48
                    +3
                    I agree, but to welcome one thing, and to do it is another. Many fought, fought and could not, but they can. Everything will be canceled, and then where will the money be taken for free medicine, housing, kindergartens, etc.?

                    It's simple.
                    Stop:
                    1. regard the theft of budget funds as violations.
                    2. invest in the us economy
                    And you need:
                    3. prohibit the uncontrolled withdrawal of funds.
                    4. nationalize resource-extracting and generating capacities.
                    The authorities are doing the same thing just the other way round, and from here the platons for the roads that they did not build and the overhaul of the houses that they had to transfer in a repaired condition, but somehow it was not able to
                    PS If all this is done then the stupid questions will disappear by themselves.
                    1. Height
                      Height 4 February 2018 14: 33
                      0
                      It’s easier to make peace in the whole World. I see, you are also a storyteller.

                      Restore economic sovereignty! Restore the economy! New industrialization! Revive the province! Price control! And one more of the main ones: Decent pension and Affordable housing. I don’t want to list further, but you can also add - so that Windows will work without problems.
                      I haven’t read such a fairy tale either - this is ordinary populism for simpletons.
  15. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 3 February 2018 15: 16
    +4
    Again, the Jews of Russian Vanka are bred for communism ...
  16. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 3 February 2018 15: 27
    +5
    After reading the article by Maxim Shevchenko, there were only more questions to Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin. However, one should not expect clarity from the master of verbiage with a drunken face.
    So how does Pavel Nikolaevich evaluate the work of Vladimir Vladimirovich over 18 years there? - Yes, it’s very simple, "you need to move away from an overvaluation of the role of the individual in history." Do you understand how? I don’t.
    It turns out that Pavel Nikolayevich "does not say - these are" my courtiers "or these are" my associates. " It is commendable. And then what? And then this, quote:
    << He says - "we." People's patriotic forces, the Communist Party - we. Someone is a communist, someone is an anti-communist ... [You just elect us.] And then, as they say, [we] will sort it out among ourselves ... >>
    We have to remind the overwhelming Maksimushka that the bloc of communists and anti-communists led by Grudinin was not formed for the referendum on the ban on abortion, but for participating in the presidential election. In their block, according to Shevchenko, it turns out, "A WIDE scatter of opinions ... there is a FIRST internal discussion." Just choose, and THEN they will figure it out.
    Listen, guys, can you figure it out before the election? Arrange a small Civil War on the territory of Lenin State Farm CJSC and chop each other with sabers. And the winner is the President!
  17. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 3 February 2018 15: 36
    0
    As Comrade said Stalin, ".. let's consult with Comrade Lenin" on the issue of Soviet power in the state.
    Report at the II All-Russian Congress of Trade Unions on January 20, 1919 (Poln. Sobr. Soch., Vol. 37): “The question is this and only that. Or the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, covered by the founders, all kinds of votes, democracy, etc. the bourgeois deceit that fools are blinded and which can only be trumped and flaunted by people who have, through and across the line, become renegades of Marxism and renegades of socialism — or the dictatorship of the proletariat ”(p. 438).
    “Letter to the workers and peasants about the victory over Kolchak” (Poln. Sobr. Soch., Vol. 39) “Either the dictatorship (i.e., iron power) of the landowners and capitalists, or the dictatorship of the working class.
    There is no middle ground. Dreaming about the middle is in vain barchat, intellectuals, gentlemen, poorly studied from bad books. Nowhere in the world there is and cannot be. Either the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (covered by lush Socialist-Revolutionary and Menshevik phrases about democracy, constituency, freedoms, etc.), or the dictatorship of the proletariat. He who has not learned this from the history of the whole XIX century is hopeless ”(p. 158).
    The immediate tasks of the Soviet government ”(Poln. Sobr. Soch., Vol. 36)“ Soviet power is nothing but the organizational form of the dictatorship of the proletariat ”(S. 196)
    The restoration of advice in bourgeois Russia is a rather dubious thesis of a respected author, and Russia now is just bourgeois, this is an objective fact, there is no middle ground. Tried and failed!
  18. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 3 February 2018 15: 39
    +3
    About your foreign accounts:
    1) he said that "they are not there."
    2) he spoke of "distrust of Russian banks"
    3) he said that it was a "banking mistake" (!!!!)
    4) he said that "money was transferred without his knowledge" (!!!)
    5) he said that "these are transit accounts" (!)
    6) then said that "this is money for the treatment of a relative" (!!!)
    and all these different versions of Grudinin voiced in just a few days !!!! ........
    All vote for Grudinin!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 15: 45
      +7
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      sixteen)

      It is especially delivering that at the same time, EVRAZ and other “overworked” Eurobonds were in good condition (ta-ta-a-aamm) of the “offshore offshore” - Liechtensteinische Landesbank.
      Lawyer, son grandson of the "lawyer" ... talent, do not take away laughing
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 09
      +7
      About your foreign accounts:
      you forgave the cellist’s accounts, you didn’t notice the compote of the ducklings, you don’t care how the gulls like salt, but to see Grudinin, he took all the money out of Russia.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 22
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        Gardamir

        You see, none of the menagerie you listed breaks into power.
        Unlike your, ahem ... client.
        That, in fact, is the whole point.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 3 February 2018 16: 39
          +6
          menagerie does not rush to power.
          so they are all in power.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 54
            +7
            Quote: Gardamir
            they are all in power

            Nah ... they roam nearby, and do only what they are (yet) allowed to do.
            But your Goodyna wants (or someone wants her) right to the very top ...
            I understand so far? wink
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 19: 32
              +2
              Who is allowed? smile
        2. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 3 February 2018 16: 51
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          none of the menagerie you listed breaks into power

          why if the status quo suits them
  19. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 3 February 2018 17: 31
    +8
    If you do not go into ideology, in the individual and the party, then we can state the following:
    1. Russia is very far behind the West technologically. Our economy is the economy of the first redistribution, in fact, the economy of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century. In such an economy, the citizens of the country will be uniquely poor, even if the revenues of all oligarchs and commodity companies go directly to the budget.
    2. The current government, being a representative of the interests of the raw materials oligarchy, is not interested in the technological re-equipment of the country, since such modernization can be carried out only at the expense of this notorious raw materials oligarchy. The people do not have so much money for this, the West will not provide loans for Russia's prosperity.
    3. Without modernization, without re-equipping the economy, Russians will live worse and worse every year, because citizens of a backward state cannot live well.
    From all this, an unambiguous conclusion follows: power should be changed to a nationally oriented one. Who does not understand this, either
    very mistaken, or a patriot of some other country.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 3 February 2018 18: 15
      +2
      Quote: Rimlianin
      nationally oriented

      You just did not write to which? Well, this is a nation
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 3 February 2018 18: 28
        +5
        And any that proclaims a program for the restoration of the country, its modernization at the expense of the comprador oligarchy. Do you have anyone besides Grudinin, the Communist Party, PDS NPSR and the Left Front?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 3 February 2018 18: 30
          +3
          Quote: Rimlianin
          And any that proclaims a program for the restoration of the country, its modernization at the expense of the comprador oligarchy.

          How beautiful you write repeat And you excuse me, you propose to step into communism or so .. people rob
          1. Rimlianin
            Rimlianin 3 February 2018 19: 08
            +6
            About to step into communism .. You would first read the program of Grudinin, and then you ernichat. I didn’t find anything about communism there .. Only about the construction of a social state, which Russia should be under the Constitution ..
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 3 February 2018 19: 14
              +3
              Quote: Rimlianin
              About to step into communism .. You would first read the program of Grudinin, and then you ernichat.

              Don’t tell about the program !!! So you mean, too, for the capitalist Grudinin, together with the Communists, they gathered to build communism! I’m already tired of wondering recourse Well, who will believe it? Well, only an elderly person hi I'm sorry father.
              1. Rimlianin
                Rimlianin 3 February 2018 19: 37
                +3
                If I’m 35 years old, I have a university law degree and cannot be attributed to the backward ones .. You still read the Grudinin program - in what place is it said about building communism ?? It is about building a social economy, that is, for people, for the majority, and not for individual fat cats. Are you against
                And do not cling to the name of the Communist Party - this is an ordinary parliamentary Social Democratic party, similar to the SPD in Germany.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 08: 11
                  +6
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  The CPRF is an ordinary parliamentary Social Democratic party, similar to the SPD in Germany

                  Oh really? But what about this?
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  Grudinin and his team are not everyone and they not only proclaimed a progressive program for the restoration of the country, they are behind the main opposition party (if anything, the oldest in Russia, which at one time made a space power from a backward agrarian country)

                  Did you write You, who else will write this ...
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  If I’m 35 years old, I have a university degree in law and cannot be attributed to the backward ones ..

                  Larva ... education is about nothing, but you have not really learned how to think naked.
                  Do not be sad, youth is a disease that passes over time. yes
                  1. Rimlianin
                    Rimlianin 4 February 2018 18: 21
                    +1
                    The fact that the Communist Party is the oldest party in the country, and its representatives in the past have experience of successful leadership of the state, does not contradict the fact that at present this party is a legal parliamentary Social Democratic party. By the way, the Bolsheviks were still part of the tsarist Duma.
                    And as for youth - in my environment there are a lot of elderly people who seemed to be wise by the experience of people who vote in the elections of the “beautiful face” and “heart” types. And there are young guys whose ability to build logical chains that can only be envied. Age is not an indicator at all. I don’t understand why you mentioned this. Would you like to hook, at least somehow and in some way rise ?. Not congratulations, failed.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 18: 39
                      +5
                      I'll start with the tail, as is customary for mongooses:
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      Age is not an indicator at all

                      It’s quite an indicator. For example, I saw and participated in much of what you just heard about. All these Yeltsins, Gaidars and other Popov-Stankevichs - they tried to break my life. Not to you.
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      I have a university degree in law and I certainly can’t be attributed to the backward

                      You are not retarded. You are illiterate ...
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      Communist Party - the oldest party in the country

                      The Communist Party is exactly the same party as everyone else. Neither to the CPSU, nor, moreover, to the predecessors of the CPSU, it has nothing to do ... request
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      its representatives in the past have experience in successful leadership of the state

                      Representatives of the Communist Party has never once led any state. And, Gd will give, and they will not.
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      there are young guys whose ability to build logical chains that can only be envied

                      You are definitely not one of them.
                      PS: there are plenty of sensible young guys and in my "environment". I have a department head a little older than you. At the same time, working with him is a pleasure.
                      So it’s not only age. DNA, too, that ... affects the campaign laughing
        2. You Vlad
          You Vlad 3 February 2018 18: 41
          +2
          Quote: Rimlianin
          And anyone who proclaims a country reconstruction program

          The country was restored after the nineties, now the respected one would not shit yesSo you are equally divided, even though American fellow
          1. Rimlianin
            Rimlianin 3 February 2018 19: 05
            +5
            No need to juggle, dear! And focus on one word, taking it out of context. And at the expense of the American authorities .. these are your speculations, you do not need to ascribe to me what I did not say and did not even mean.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 3 February 2018 19: 08
              0
              Quote: Rimlianin
              these are your speculations, you do not need to ascribe to me what I did not say and did not even mean.

              So you wrote there at the top, so I want to clarify with you, and you play silence ..
              1. Rimlianin
                Rimlianin 3 February 2018 19: 47
                +5
                I understand that you want to divert the thought from the main thing ... of what I wrote in the first comment .. Therefore, I cling to the words. If you want to object something in essence - please. I will discuss it with pleasure.
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 19: 04
      +5
      Quote: Rimlianin
      power needs to be changed to nationally oriented. Whoever does not understand this is either very mistaken, or a patriot of some other country

      Forgot to write: "As advertising" wink
      Quote: Rimlianin
      А anyone who proclaims a program reconstruction of the country, its modernization due to the comprador oligarchy

      You're a girl? Do you like ears? Will you follow anyone who simply “proclaims”?
      Nude Nude. With this approach, it’s not long for you to be, ahem, a girl yes
      1. Rimlianin
        Rimlianin 3 February 2018 19: 42
        +6
        Well, so far no one except Grudinin has been proclaiming. It can be seen, the gut is thin even aloud to say this ..
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 19: 43
          +5
          Quote: Rimlianin
          The gut is visible

          Or more brains yes
          By the way, you did not answer the question. Symptomatic, however ...
          1. Rimlianin
            Rimlianin 3 February 2018 20: 13
            +5
            Which question? "Are you a girl? Do you love with ears? Will you follow anyone who simply" proclaims "?" On that? I answer:
            1. I am not a girl.
            2. Grudinin and his team are not everyone and they not only proclaimed a progressive program for rebuilding the country, they are backed by the main opposition party (if anything, the oldest in Russia, which at one time made a space power from a backward agrarian country) and Grudinin himself on the experience of his economy He showed that he is a skilled organizer and not a grabber.
            3. Do you have other options? So tell me.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 23: 43
              +5
              Quote: Rimlianin
              I'm not a girl

              This is good in this case.
              Quote: Rimlianin
              they didn’t just proclaim a progressive reconstruction program for the country

              "20 steps" or something? What is this "program", this is a set of Wishlist ...
              Will you tell the programmer with experience how the program differs from wishes, ahem, client? I would not, in your place No.
              Quote: Rimlianin
              behind them is the main opposition party

              This is not the Communist Party, an hour?
              Quote: Rimlianin
              the oldest in Russia, made in due time from a backward agrarian country a space power

              Um ... no way VKP (b)? belay
              Quote: Rimlianin
              Grudinin on the experience of his economy showed that he is a skilled organizer and not a grabber

              He didn’t "show" anything. But the fact that someone really wants to create a certain "window" from him and his Potemkin village - sticks out, excuse me, from all the cracks ...
              Quote: Rimlianin
              Do you have other options? So tell

              What for? They told you to agitate, go ahead ... just don’t lag like that anymore wink
              1. Rimlianin
                Rimlianin 4 February 2018 05: 49
                +3
                You can cross for so long, but all this is empty. You can always find how to answer every iron argument. Only in the empty balance what? Either another 6 years of Putin with an increase in taxes, prices, retirement age, or an attempt to change something for the better. Criticizing Grudinin, you automatically go over to the side of Putin. There is simply no other way. Or....? So tell me.
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 4 February 2018 07: 48
                  +2
                  In fact, many automatically stay with Putin.
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 11: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  Only in the empty balance what?

                  Freud's reservation, however.
                  In the empty balance - Nothing, as it should be.
                  Agitators "for all that is good, and against all that is bad", there is already enough here without you.
                  I have reason not to believe them, nor those for whom they are campaigning.
                  And the more they (and you) agitate, the stronger mine is for all this ... ahem, distrust.
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  Criticizing Grudinin, you automatically ...

                  Yes, I do not care about Grudinin from a high bell tower.
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  you automatically go to the side of Putin

                  And I didn’t leave from this “side” yes
                  1. Rimlianin
                    Rimlianin 4 February 2018 18: 36
                    +3
                    I do not condemn at all the supporters of the current President. He really deserves respect, gathered the country, crushed banditry in Chechnya, annexed Crimea. But his time has passed. The country is not developing. If not for the increase in oil prices last year, the level of GDP would have shown minus values. Which year is the real income of the population falling. Our whole economy is a pipe economy. And no movement forward is visible. Against this background, the most infamous election campaign of the type of 1996, when the oligarchs brought to power Yeltsin, brainwashing, sheer lies from television screens. Here, many people drown for Putin, but it’s even funny to me, because he hasn’t yet presented any election program? And his followers are already in a fighting stance.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 18: 45
                      +3
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      If not for the increase in oil prices last year ...

                      ABOUT! Glimpses yes
                      And the "increase" is exactly what happened in itself?
                      Try to think already ... lawyer wink
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      Our whole economy is a pipe economy. And no movement forward

                      It Someone told you so. And you - believed ... "the builder of logical chains" ...
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      Against this backdrop, the infamous 1996 election campaign company

                      At that time you were ... 14 years old, if I am not mistaken. What can you know about this?
                      Right ... again just what you were told.
                      Quote: Rimlianin
                      he has not yet submitted any election program

                      Putin's program is in his actions.
                      The fact that you do not see them, actions is your sadness. Not Putin, and not even mine.
                      That's all, you bored me. Ciao hi
  20. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 3 February 2018 18: 47
    +3
    How did the Soviets differ from parliament? A small apparatus with payment from the budget, the title of deputy as an honorary title of a person working in the Council on a voluntary basis, the law on the possibility of recalling a deputy, the compilation and implementation of a plan to fulfill the wishes of voters and, most importantly: the lack of choice on lists as the basis of corruption and pushing "their". It has long been understood that the party is not Patria!
  21. akudr48
    akudr48 3 February 2018 19: 10
    +7
    In the continuation of the conversation, about the attitude towards the candidates for the doctor

    Ratings of candidates on online polls, everyone can speak:
    At http://president-rf.ru (159 people)
    Grudinin - 60%, Putin - 29%, Zhirinovsky - 5%
    On http://basetop.ru (35 people)
    Grudinin - 59%, Putin - 16%, Zhirinovsky - 6%
    At http://pr2018.ru/ (8 384 people)
    Grudinin - 63%, Putin - 22%, Zhirinovsky - 7%

    At the same time, officialdom - POF - shows
    Grudinin - 7%, Putin - 65%, Zhirinovsky - 6%
    This is their goal setting, as it should be.
    Let's see how they will turn inside out.
    1. karish
      karish 3 February 2018 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: akudr48
      This is their goal setting, as it should be.
      Let's see how they will turn inside out.

      Presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin turned out to be the leader in the number of negative references on federal channels. This follows from the results of a study conducted by the Golos movement to protect the rights of voters. However, earlier analysts have already noticed that Grudinin is criticized on federal TV more often than his rivals.

      The Voices website published the results of media monitoring of the sixth week of the election campaign - from January 22nd to 28th. Experts analyzed the stories that appeared on five of the most popular television channels: “First”, “Russia 1”, “NTV”, “Fifth channel” and “REN-TV”.

      Grudinin was the leader in the number of mentions on TV (20%). It is followed by LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky (18%) and current President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin (7%). Moreover, most references to the candidate from the Communist Party are negative (77%). Most references to Putin are positive (59%).

      More details: http://www.newsru.com/russia/03feb2018/grudinin.h
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      1. Don Analyst
        Don Analyst 3 February 2018 22: 18
        0
        Yes, a position when Russia and Iran have common interests for Israel is unacceptable.
        Undoubtedly Pavel Grudinin is your candidate.
      2. tezey
        tezey 5 February 2018 13: 05
        0
        And what conclusion follows from here. Negative references in large quantities are the same advertising. It’s bad when there are few of them and they are negative, and so everything is on Grudinin’s hand.
    2. Knowing
      Knowing 4 February 2018 02: 49
      +1
      Quote: akudr48
      Ratings of candidates on online polls, everyone can speak:

      But you are not writing the truth, or hoping that the people are lazy and will not check ... laughing
      - Putin's rating from polls conducted among voters amounted to 74,8% of the total number of citizens surveyed.
      = Grudinin’s real rating was 7,3%. The third place in the ranking is occupied by Vladimir Zhirinovsky - 4,7% are ready to cast their votes
      this is from http://president-rf.ru/page/rejting-kandidatov tongue
      1. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 6 February 2018 09: 00
        0
        Real rating of the Governor of the Saratov region Mr. Radaev V.V. on the information portals of the Saratov region did not exceed 15%. And on September 10, 2017, he won the election with 70%, with the turnout of 70%. Doesn't lead to any thought? At the same time, at 18:20, the ballot papers were as clean as a bride’s dress, I saw it myself.
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 4 February 2018 12: 57
    +1
    Quote: aszzz888
    Therefore, I believe that the union of national capital in the person of Grudinin and the left forces is a fateful union for the history of Russia, which already once led to the liberation of us from foreign domination.

    ... aHtor, but you did not ask sternin how many HIDDEN HIDDEN accounts he had behind the cordon ?! : whose grandmas you work out, ahtor?!?

    No more than other "applicants" ...! wassat
  23. iouris
    iouris 4 February 2018 13: 03
    +1
    There is no "national capital." There is only world capital. The restoration of the Soviets is the restoration of Soviet power. Soviet power is a way out of the world system of capitalism, a return to the project of building communism throughout the world. Those. the "elite" in the near future should "put on a cross and take off cowards." And the third was not given to her. But something is not believed that the "elite" itself is able to jump off the "axis".
    1. tezey
      tezey 5 February 2018 13: 00
      +1
      That's right. Soviet power, socialism is the opposite of the world capitalist system. The elite, to which Mr. Grudinin belongs, will not voluntarily put on a cross and will not take off his cowards. Just take off their pants and there is a direct task of the Communist Party. But unfortunately the comrades decided that it was only necessary to pull down the cowards from the elite.
  24. Radikal
    Radikal 4 February 2018 13: 05
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: vladimirZ
    What kind of advertisement is this?

    You know, life makes you make different assumptions. I would be simply happy, and lay with bones for a man who would improve his life and give a perspective. The trouble is that Grudinin will get a system that will have the opposite effect on him. Will it stand ???

    Moreover, this "system" will oppose him, sabotage, as after most of the tsarist officials did after 1917! sad
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 4 February 2018 13: 13
    0
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: vladimirZ
    For Grudinin is a team that defends the interests of the majority of the working people, and most importantly - the IDEOLOGY OF A SOCIALLY JUST STATE for all.

    I clarify: Grudinin has an IDEA of the ideology of a socially just state, this is in the best case. Maybe it's just an advertisement.
    Good intentions are difficult to realize, especially nowhere in Grudinin did not meet this mechanism. He will have to work with Putin’s people, or fight ...

    yes
  26. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 4 February 2018 16: 36
    +1
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Agitators "for all that is good, and against all that is bad", there is already enough here without you.
    I have reason not to believe them, nor those for whom they are campaigning.

    For God's sake, this is your right. I’m not going to convince you of anything, Moreover, to force someone to believe something. Faith is a more religious concept or something. And it is difficult, almost impossible, to convince religious fanatics. They do not hear the voice of reason. They do not need economic programs, calculations, numbers, they just believe .
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Yes, I do not care about Grudinin from a high bell tower.

    The bell tower with which you spit is probably high.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 16: 57
      +4
      Quote: Rimlianin
      I’m not going to convince you of anything, Moreover, to force someone to believe something. Faith is a more religious concept

      You, the campaign, also have a Russian problem.
      I talked about trust. The word "faith" has such a meaning in Russian, oddly enough.
      For some reason, you were blown away by “belief”, according to Dahl if.
      Doesn’t. Write echo laughing
  27. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 5 February 2018 09: 23
    +3
    Now, after this article, they will howl all kinds of Russian and Western liberalism, wake up so much screech, dirt, muck. They do not smell their smell, rotten and rotten, these are people who licked in the literal and figurative sense of the ass of the West. And we not only smell this smell, but also see that the venality of these people is visible to the simple PEOPLE, you cannot fool it. And about the GDP, how I treat a person well, an athlete, an officer, a person who does not abuse alcohol, everything is in moderation, not even a member of the EBNC, but domestic policy is failed in the country, the main mistake of the authorities, the power is not for PEOPLE, but for a handful of associates and oligarchs, who are not always the best, as well as the inability as a political leader of the country to keep and fulfill their promises (for example, watch the video and the transcript of the congress edr ..., in September 2011 and you will understand what was promised - largely not fulfilled and no one was held responsible for this). There will be no responsibility, there will be no discipline. We are now being called for a breakthrough, and with whom to make this breakthrough, Kudrin, Chubais, rotten eggs of the government and authorities are an economic bloc, if there are more than 22 million citizens of Russia below the poverty line, they need to be driven out of power. By and large, this is a swamp and there are no other conclusions.
  28. kaschey
    kaschey 5 February 2018 09: 35
    +1
    Guys, everything will be fine, don’t worry.
    Putin has done his job, he himself is not against changing, but so far he cannot say it openly, they will understand it incorrectly, you know who ........
    You didn’t see how he answered questions at the last press conference.
    So, when voting, you need to look ahead, discard inertia and everything will be fine, good luck!
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 5 February 2018 12: 30
      0
      Quote: kaschey
      Putin has done his job, he himself is not against changing, but so far he has to say it openly

      The main thing is that the leaders do not betray their people, even a weak leader, if not a traitor, and that’s good
  29. tezey
    tezey 5 February 2018 12: 52
    0
    The position of Comrade Shevchenko, who is trying to impersonate his comrades, does not stand up to criticism of socialism. If comrades from the leadership of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation believe that an alliance with national capital will lead to the building of socialism in the future, then they are either seriously mistaken or try to deceive their followers who believe in the ideals of socialism. The position of the Communist Party and Grudinin on this issue is far from new. The socialists of France and Sweden, the Laborites in England received power and carried out really very similar programs. And what, they built socialism in their countries? Of course not. Thus, in reality, comrades from the leadership of the Communist Party are not at all going to build socialism. The most that they dream of getting more power in the bourgeois State and if you can redistribute part of the surplus value in the social sphere and economy. And if comrade Shevchenko urges that they are not afraid of the experience of Lenin and Stalin, then first of all he would have to tell us all that without the dictatorship of the proletariat, the suppression of national capital in the event of its resistance, the class struggle, no socialism can be built. This is exactly what the experience of Lenin and Stalin shows us. And it was precisely the rejection of this experience that led the country to capitalist counter-revolution. Therefore, the program of Mr. Grudinin and his comrades from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is by no means programs for building socialism. These are ordinary social democratic, petty-bourgeois programs that do not infringe in principle the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.
  30. 1536
    1536 5 February 2018 14: 35
    +1
    Earlier people worked at the machine tool and there was no time for them to think that instead of the Soviets it would be possible to make an Administration or, God forgive me, the Prefecture. When at the end of 1980 - the beginning of 1990's the number of loafers exceeded the number of workers, both "administrations" and "prefectures" appeared. At the very least, by the 20 years of XXI, some kind of organization in state administration was outlined, however, not due to the presence of administration and prefects, but due to structures that the state determines: tax service, registration, permits, archives, etc. . The Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the Army are gaining strength again, although the Ministry of Emergencies is still waiting for something to happen, but it works. In the prefectures, they decide which monuments to place and how to make sure that the snow that has fallen from the streets is removed, but not by the forces of the Army and Navy. And thanks for that!
    And here again: let’s “Tips” back! Come back! Just do not bother people with their revolutions and urges to the past.
  31. Galaktionych
    Galaktionych 6 February 2018 00: 38
    0
    Maksud Shevcheni never explained how Sharia can be combined with the principles of popular democracy expressed in the political institute of councils. This is some kind of cunning Eurasianism ...
  32. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 6 February 2018 08: 44
    +1
    Lord comrades! It is useless to prove anything to the “Zaputinians”. Similarly write against the wind. Just look at the number of "likes" and everything will become clear. Yesterday, a member of the Central Executive Committee was already shown on TV, who hinted that they have a "joker" in the sleeve of Grudinin. These are supposedly not closed accounts in Austria. The hint was understood if this candidate would be impermissible to recruit% of the electorate he would be removed from the race. But in the Kremlin they are afraid of Grudinin, but so far they don’t know what to do with him.
  33. gladcu2
    gladcu2 8 February 2018 20: 57
    0
    captain,
    And who says socialism is perfect ....


    Socialism is simply better than capitalism and that is enough.