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I do not want to such Russia, or Who will stop the Karelian mafia?

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Interesting things happen in a country called Russia. On the one hand, even irons and refrigerators talk about how we are stronger and prettier and how we will be even better after March 18.


On the other hand, in some regions, life turned out to be so beautiful that one can’t understand how great it is that up to the same Karelia there are more than 2 thousands of kilometers.

And, actually, what is there in Karelia?

And in Karelia, we have such a mess that just amazes. And it happens a long time ago. It recently came to the tragedy, as well as one of the leading bloggers, Sergey Kolyasnikov (aka Zergulio), has been fighting for quite a long time and is trying to help the citizens of Karelia.

This is not to say with success. Kolyasnikov is not Don Quixote, and it’s not the mills that oppose it. In general, those who are interested in the full picture, I recommend the page Sergey on the Internet. There are plenty of information, screenshots and copies of documents.

I, being limited to the framework of the article, will give a kind of squeeze.

Considering the weekly period I spent on familiarizing myself with the situation, this was the understanding.

In Karelia as a whole and in Petrozavodsk in particular, interesting things happen.

A group of persons, using privileged status, in simple terms, organized the robbery of the inhabitants of Karelia.

Of course, universal legal illiteracy played on their side, but in the first place - the complete patronage of all power structures, without exception. All

We are talking about a whole cohort of legal entities that work in the real estate market and deceive and rob people of Karelia with impunity. Under different signs.

Apartments that cost 2 million on the market cost people 3 as a result, or even 4 times more expensive. But it turns out, as they say, "in the course of the play." People cannot pay very heavy sums, return apartments - and still remain debtors, with the children find themselves on the street.

Not a single court in Karelia (and all the rotations around SANA and its offspring go more than one year) did not recognize any transaction as illegal or enslaving.



And at present, the housing business is conducted according to frankly fraudulent schemes, with forging signatures and without any chance of winning a case in court.

Why?

It's simple. All power without exception - "in the subject."

The prosecutor of Karelia Karen Gabrielyan, for example, calls for "not to politicize the conflict." He is convinced that these transactions cannot be called enslaving, and some intermediaries are to blame for everything. Against which a criminal case has been initiated and is being considered.

But not intermediaries brought to ruin and deprivation of housing and now to the suicide of the inhabitants of Karelia. And quite specific "successful businessmen."

And their names have long been announced. Yes, they do not hide. On the contrary, with enviable regularity they are shown in the courts, where they knock out “debts” from their clients and take housing from them.

This is, first of all, a certain Mr. Andrey Svidsky. The founder of a fair number of firms and individual entrepreneurs, including the most important robbers: Svidsky and SANA +. It is the responsibility of these firms, including for the death of a Petrozavodsk resident.

Svidsky has two hands. Brothers Shmaeniki. Victor and Anatoly. Anatoly Shmaenik is the brain of the entire SANA holding, but we are most interested in Victor.



Victor Shmaenik is a US citizen. In this, of course, there is nothing like that, US citizenship is not proof yet. Yes, Victor's children live there, and I think they live well.

But in 2008, Victor Shmaenik returned from the United States to get married. And here the most interesting begins.

Olga Sergeeva became the wife of an American businessman, now Olga Shmenik. First Deputy Chairman of the Legislative Assembly of the Republic of Karelia. The head of the faction of the All-Russian political party "United Russia". Deputy from Prionezhsky and Pryazha districts of the Republic of Karelia.

And here, as they say, the card flooded ...

I believe myself and I recommend others to believe what Kolyasnikov writes about himself. And he says that a disgusting situation has developed in Karelia. Which can be described as mafia.

And residents of Karelia can write complaints to various authorities as much as they like. It is just useless. Even Putin. By the way, Putin in particular.



If for someone it is a secret, open it. If the complaint is received by the AP, it will be returned to the regional / regional administration for review. And go down by instance. Well, indeed, the presidential administration will not consider the stream of complaints that goes to Putin. Let's take it seriously.

And complaints will return to Karelia. Where everything is under control.

Here is the answer of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Karelia I. V. Shirshov. Two sheets of water, the last paragraph - on the topic.

I do not want to such Russia, or Who will stop the Karelian mafia?



Prosecutor's office? But it was already said about the prosecutor of the republic Gabrielyan.

Courts? True, there is a rumor in Petrozavodsk that a deceived citizen won the court and got hers from Shmaenikov. City Court Judge ...

Even the Ombudsman of Karelia, Mr. Gennady Sarayev, is also in his own board. Since 2013, the head of the regional executive committee of the party ... United Russia!

Incidentally, in stories the suicide of the father of four children was also addressed to Sarajevo. The answer was: I keep the situation under control until the rights of the children are violated.

Indeed, while the children are not thrown out of the apartment, you can sleep well. Let's see what Mr. Saraev will take when it really lights up. And what will help children.

So far, the gentlemen Svidsky (Andrei, Nikolay and Alexander) and Shmenik (Anatoly, Victor and Olga) behave as full-fledged masters not only of their own lives, but of the whole republic.

And that, everything is under control. And the rest partigenos such as Sarajevo, Gabrielyan, Shirshov and other colleagues will continue to patronize the alliance of businessmen and politicians.

What is it, some little people, right? The main thing is what? The main thing - beautiful reports and a good press.

By the way, the press does not badly cover the case of suicide. Say, and the father of the deceased was not so hot (and in some cases, the father was not), and saw, and blasted ... As usual, by the way.

And the voices of relatives, friends, and (not least) children are so ...

Let me give you an example of one of those who are trying to achieve the truth.

The most vile in these stories: DESTRUCTION. You understand that you are nobody, zero. When Shmaenik realizes that a man goes to court, he tears off the mask of a good uncle and shows his true face. Court ... When I went to court, I was sure that I was a citizen of the Russian Federation, a patriot, I was born, I live, I’m raising my daughter in my small beautiful city. The court will protect me. I will pay a fine for canceling the contract and forget SANA, like a bad dream. But what is happening behind the doors of the court is the theater of the absurd, a show of freaks. Shmanyik is not only the director of SANA REAL ESTATE LLC (a million names using the word SANA), at the moment he is not the director of SANA + LLC, these rights have been transferred to Svidsky AA, but he is a representative in court from IP Svidsky A.A.

So, he shouts, waves his hands, gets dirty laundry from the depths of his folders. And in his hands is the main KOZYR: WE are defaulters, we are the lowest caste, we have no rights. He is the stricken side.

Therefore, he takes an apartment by court, keeps the amounts paid earlier, sues for reimbursement of court costs and has victims in everything that is possible.

Court decisions ... Also interesting. Many despair and finish everything at the city court, at one meeting. Longer rarely considered, because all the judges already know, matters as a carbon copy are considered since 2008, in large quantities.

What happens usually? People file for termination of the contract, are refused, they are charged with debt plus penalties.

The man moves out of the apartment, without a penny of money, on a removable ...


Not dozens. Hundreds of contracts. And no, I repeat, no opportunity to be heard. No opportunity to receive from the state what the citizen has the right to under the Constitution.

Protection. Fair trial. Fair sentence.

But no. And then there is only one question: what should happen to the situation suddenly changed?

There is no faith in the fact that the gentlemen “businessmen” Svidskys and Shmaeniki and their representatives who are in power will eventually get drunk. Money does not happen much.

Mr. Putin will intervene and short his officials (yes, they say that the head of the Republic of Kazakhstan is also “in the subject line”) with an angry cry? It is doubtful. There is still some way to reach Putin.

The vicious circle of deception, robbery and lawlessness. Under the strict control of the authorities.

Did Mr. President speak about this great Russia at the end of last year?

Something is not very desirable in it, to be honest.

Source: http://zergulio.livejournal.com.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 2 February 2018 06: 33
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    Hmm ... belay and this must be laid out now before the election what ... ay GDP urgently send to KARELIA their messengers to resolve this disgrace.
    In Novosibirsk, too, equity holders are being thrown as last suckers ... the law does not limit fraudsters in this area at all ... this is a problem and a very moral problem for the state.
    It is impossible for crooks and scammers to flourish on the needs of people ... this is where the state should show its power.

    I’m pointing out the blunder in the official document ... it’s not good to spread it again ... I hope you understand what I’m talking about.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 06: 54
      55
      And in Karelia, such a mess happens in our country that you are simply amazed.
      and this is all over the country. "good" only on the First Channel. look what is happening in Irkutsk, in Tatarstan, in the Urals, princes are specific ... life is not Solovyov’s transfer ... [media = http: //www.yapfiles.ru/show/18
      53574/b7244d15c761069932916e36f7085ac2.mp4.html]
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 2 February 2018 08: 41
        26
        Here at Navalenysh we’ll heal, and Grudinin will bestow all strawberries and strawberries on all of them .. Vladimir Volfovich will wash our feet in Indiska .. well, if Ksenia ... so generally milk rivers and jelly banks! So dear Andrei Yurevich, without the headlines, offer your own version, because everyone understands that the article is anti-Putin, and that it is precisely the supporters of the “liberal five-columned marshmillon white-tape asshole” that gather here!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 2 February 2018 09: 32
          49
          Bulk .. Grudinin ... Did they create these Augean stables? Everything was under the EBN and his follower. It is clear that those poop are still piled ... But it’s IMPOSSIBLE to continue to live like that!
          Quote: igorka357
          Here at Navalenysh we’ll heal, and Grudinin will bestow all strawberries and strawberries on all of them .. Vladimir Volfovich will wash our feet in Indiska .. well, if Ksenia ... so generally milk rivers and jelly banks! So dear Andrei Yurevich, without the headlines, offer your own version, because everyone understands that the article is anti-Putin, and that it is precisely the supporters of the “liberal five-columned marshmillon white-tape asshole” that gather here!
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          2. Viking
            Viking 3 February 2018 15: 56
            +1
            You can’t live on - don’t live.
          3. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 5 February 2018 10: 25
            +2
            Bulk .. Grudinin ...

            Wait, they’ll say something else, but you look at Ukraine there even worse
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 2 February 2018 14: 21
          34
          Ihorke 357 ...
          You do not mix everyone in a heap, please. Putin’s main enemy is Putin himself, who, in addition to the 90s gang, has grown an even more arrogant gang of the 2000s,
          who together rob the country. And who will finish her if Putin remains president.
          Only a provocateur can call Grudinin a liberal.
          1. plotnikov561956
            plotnikov561956 5 February 2018 11: 27
            +3
            Putin is not an enemy of himself .. Just one question .. how greedy for power did Yeltsin voluntarily surrender POWER .. A ,,, organized crime group .. so she just came to the Kremlin with Putin
      2. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 2 February 2018 10: 44
        39
        EdRo .., "We don’t give our own" ©, but if we don’t, then it’s not our own.
        Remember how it was safely gathered in the glorious city of Odessa criminal kagal at the wall and from a machine gun over their heads.
        They say that crime disappeared somewhere after this "act of humanism."
        And now we need such a "criminal conspiracy of power structures" not on top, but in the head.

        The current government has created precisely this atmosphere of hatred, impunity and permissiveness. Put the people in conditions of economic slavery.
        It is interesting, because once belonging to EdRo will be evaluated by the term "enemy of the people" ...
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 2 February 2018 10: 59
          41
          As my combat comrade puts it, in relation to criminals in power, thieves and embezzlers: "The sound of a cocked cock replaces half an hour of educational conversation, and a shot in the knee changes the worldview."
          1. captain
            captain 2 February 2018 11: 09
            +6
            Quote: Pax tecum
            As my combat comrade puts it, in relation to criminals in power, thieves and embezzlers: "The sound of a cocked cock replaces half an hour of educational conversation, and a shot in the knee changes the worldview."

            Bro, where was your comrade in 1991? Why didn't you cock the cock? Or in the queue at the feeder tried to break through and failed?
            1. Pax tecum
              Pax tecum 2 February 2018 11: 28
              49
              Stupid lunge. I can redirect your question to you. What answer?
              We were in Siberia, in Krasnoyarsk. We are not Muscovites. Yes, and we were not many years.
              Muscovites, for the most part, cranks with the letter m (what then, what now), made a revolution. In the same place, all authorities are concentrated, in the same place traitors are nurtured.
              And then my friend and I later reaped the fruits in the Caucasus. Would such an answer fit?
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 2 February 2018 11: 45
                32
                Rotmister! I’m not your brother, I don’t even know you.
                Address your question to Muscovites. So it will be more correct. In addition to the “rights” to the metropolitan position and arrogance, there should have been some responsibilities, to preserve the Constitutional system of the RSFSR, for example, due to “proximity”
                to power and money. All the troubles went from there. Or can they only concentrate liberals and fagots?
              2. badens1111
                badens1111 2 February 2018 14: 08
                23
                Quote: Pax tecum
                And then my friend and I later reaped the fruits in the Caucasus. Would such an answer fit?

                Correct answer.
                We saved the country from collapse there, while all this Moscow public was ruining the country.
                Quote: Pax tecum
                Muscovites, for the most part, cranks with the letter m (what then, what now), made a revolution. In the same place, all authorities are concentrated, in the same place traitors are nurtured.

                Exactly in the top ten.
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 2 February 2018 13: 51
          +8
          You are talking about Gotzman ... so this kintz, although it’s interesting, has little to do with the truth, the NKVD worked there, and the scouts were in the wings! You think a small town, there was Stalin .. there was Zhukov who executed the order to clear the glorious city from oh ... lice, damn unbelievable crime! If Putin is happy with this in Moscow now, you’ll be the first to yell about repressions for 37 years!
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 2 February 2018 14: 18
            22
            Well, why are you so rude? How (?!) can you even know that I will “yell” and write about it so confidently? Parenting does not allow you to respond rudely, although it would be worth it, for excessive confidence.
            You cannot prove that this is not a historical fact; the likelihood of this being very high. And it was, and worse. But, most likely, they didn’t intimidate / warned, but “blamed the jerk” (in simple terms).
            I’m not from Moscow and not from St. Petersburg, but from Siberia, I’m not going to yell for 37, because I know / studied what kind of “purges” they were, but I can take part in “cleaning the society”.
            And, this is by no means “small-town thinking” (where did you find such a term?), But an example .., and I would really like for the “method”.
            My beliefs are, you know, personal. As, in other matters, and everyone here present.
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 2 February 2018 15: 05
              +1
              Well, I ask you to forgive the word "yell," and so ... now you’ve heard something right about the conquest of Siberia and the Far East by the Soviet regime? Take an interest, it will be very interesting to you! Second, there were no heads over , Zhukov didn’t have time for this ... You will be able to participate in the purification of society from the liberal, five-columned threat ... honor and praise! The main thing is not on the other side!
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 2 February 2018 14: 22
          19
          It’s too late to shoot over the heads.
          1. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 2 February 2018 14: 42
            +4
            Your truth.
            Yours!
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 2 February 2018 22: 33
            0
            Will you shoot yourself?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 3 February 2018 10: 35
              +7
              Will have to - I will, if they give weapons. There are big problems with this. It is not for nothing that "our" power is so firmly based on the fact that the right to self-defense with weapons in hand is not our right.
              1. your1970
                your1970 5 February 2018 19: 35
                0
                Quote: NordUral
                Will have to - I will, if they give weapons. There are big problems with this. It is not for nothing that "our" power is so firmly based on the fact that the right to self-defense with weapons in hand is not our right.
                -Buy a hunting one, Mr-153, put a store extension cord (for 10 rounds) and you will be happy ... Or do you definitely need a pestle?
      3. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 2 February 2018 15: 23
        14
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and this is all over the country. "good" only on the First Channel. look at what's going on in Irkutsk, in Tatarstan, in the Urals, princes are specific ... life is not Solovyov’s transfer ...

        Already not at all surprising. This is the face and quintessence of edrosovorovskogo power! Comparing kremlevorov with ukrohunta you begin to understand that the difference is only in some details, but everything is the same.
      4. Height
        Height 2 February 2018 18: 53
        +4
        About all of Russia is not necessary. Man, why did God give you a head? To have it? If the apartment costs two million, then what the hell to buy it for three? From hopelessness? Then get ready for miracles. Of the two evils, there is nothing to choose.
        Respect to the author. Who if not we?
        "... that up to the same Karelia more than 2 thousand kilometers." Well, if you look from Murmansk, then less than a thousand, and from Zelenoborsky, then even less.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 February 2018 07: 03
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I’m pointing out the blunder in the official document ... it’s not good to spread it again ... I hope you understand what I’m talking about.

      Whoever needs it will calculate everything by registration number. Each region has its own bondage. In our country, for example, among new buildings you can find a wooden "hut" or a two-story wooden house, with the owners of which the developers could not find a common language - it was not possible to move five people into a one-room apartment or two families into a "kopeck piece" belay
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 07: 43
      23
      Deceived equity holders and in the suburbs a dime a dozen. So what? Someone in 2014 artificially collapsed the rupe and convinced the country that the Russians were paid more than they actually earn. So the developers and flew all the calculations for the cost of construction. Building materials and tariffs soared in price, and contractors refuse to work for a penny. There are, of course, crooks, but this is a separate issue. Taki, it is clear who and what are covering the local princes. Here at least take pity, all one is useless. This is our system of government. hi
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 2 February 2018 14: 23
        20
        There is no State in our country; there is an organized crime group pretending to be a state.
        1. Height
          Height 2 February 2018 19: 04
          0
          Can't escape from the past?
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 3 February 2018 10: 39
            +6
            Already pulled out on his head. Only this is not the past, but our future. Only adjusted taking into account lived and recognized. But with Putin and K, we have no future.
            1. Height
              Height 3 February 2018 16: 46
              +3
              It was believed that in the nineties you still went in tights, just a strange comparison.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 5 February 2018 09: 43
                +4
                My friend, your inner voice was mistaken, a false impression. I’m five minutes old and 70 years old. So I know what I'm writing about. Moreover, in the 80s and early 90s he was for change.
                But they drew some perspectives for us, and created another.
                And now only a faint on the head can believe that the country will remain with the market and liberals. I'm not talking about development for the better.
                1. Height
                  Height 5 February 2018 21: 20
                  +1
                  Well, then it’s easier for me to speak with you, we lived at the same time. Here, it was said that the collapse and betrayal began with the reign of M. Gorbachev. Honestly, much earlier. The authorities understood that communism is a bluff, and the people understood this even earlier. Why did this happen? In my humble opinion, this happened because they decided to build a house on the sand, so it collapsed. You cannot pray for that which is collapsing. We prayed for a brighter future, so we lost it. And Gorbachev, this is the final stage. I personally have no complaints about him. You are agitating all of this to revive. What for? Do not forget that we are responsible for those whom we corrupt. If you do not care about yourself, then take pity on your children. There is no main thing in their ideas (communists). And let them raise their authority by their actions, then maybe people will reach for it.
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    4. demo
      demo 2 February 2018 11: 27
      40
      It’s hard to read such articles.
      Such anger and rage boils in the soul.
      But there is one way out, for those who do not see another way out, like into a loop.
      If you decide to part with the dearest that you have, and you know who led you to this, then your last step is to make a preliminary, but important one.
      Take the life of the one who orphaned your children.
      And then there will be one less of such animals, by a strange coincidence of circumstances named by people.
      With God. Amen.
      If the authorities left us, law-abiding ordinary people, one on one with the beasts in a cage, then there can be no other way.
      And how to deal with this scourge?
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 2 February 2018 22: 38
        +4
        By a strange coincidence, I consider Vitaly Kaloev a real man. Probably like you.
    5. Axon
      Axon 4 February 2018 16: 12
      0
      and doloshki are the last suckers, so that’s why the budget should pay for their gouging
    6. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 5 February 2018 10: 23
      0
      We in Novosibirsk also throw interest holders as the last suckers ... the law does not limit fraudsters in this area

      although it would seem something simpler: I concluded an equity agreement, and put the money on the account, from where the developer can get it only by putting the house into operation and transferring the apartment according to the act. Many where such a scheme is used, but for some reason we don’t
    7. Artek
      Artek 5 February 2018 18: 58
      +1
      yes, they’ll disappear these Karelian rogues, we must equal our advanced detachment of the population, billionaires and millionaires, they have yachts, cars, foreign property, bank accounts, mistresses, a lot of them will go from them now. And Karelian forever had problems, who are they interested in? It’s necessary for Putin that the billionaires are cleverly breeding, ten or twenty pieces a year, this will be his Putin's Russia, the rest should die.
  2. m.cempbell
    m.cempbell 2 February 2018 06: 47
    +8
    The topic is topical not only for Karelia. Here in Tyumen, I can also give similar examples, but it seems that the topic is a little non-core for VO ... Although it is necessary to start with something ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 2 February 2018 14: 26
      20
      The topic is very specialized for VO! There is a war of those whom we stupidly call power in the country, with us, with the people. And since the war, then in VO to discuss how to live and how to survive the country and people.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 2 February 2018 14: 48
      12
      Quote: m.cempbell
      but it seems that the topic is a little non-core for VO

      Why is it non-core? And I believe that Skomorokhov again raised a very topical topic, which he has been doing lately with enviable regularity. Thank you! +
      In war, as in war.
      And information is the same war.
      - Robert Sheckley. The most annoying thing is that in the information war the one who is telling the truth always loses. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything
    3. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 5 February 2018 11: 37
      +2
      The situation is similar in Transbaikalia ... and it seems that they have already reached Baikal ... there is no exact information ... Irkutsk citizens can clarify ... Robbery is going on all over the country
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 2 February 2018 07: 01
    36
    Topical as I understand the article
    Russia, what to do - what is pop, such is the parish.
    Thank you!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 2 February 2018 08: 49
      +7
      The pro-Orthodox people did not pray for the priest and didn’t idolize him! If you stupidly heard the saying, don’t have to post it, just show yourself a fool! Putin is not to blame for your troubles and your own person! Or he can be cleaned in every yard, otherwise it’s dirty in the yards of Russia, well, well, let's say stupidly it’s not us .. "What is pop and such is the arrival" .. only shame!
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 2 February 2018 14: 02
        25
        igorka357
        If you stupidly heard the saying, do not post it

        And you acutely hear sayings)))
        your troubles and in your own powerless

        I have no (now) troubles, no impotence (in anything) is observed either, we are not even familiar with you. And thank God!
        shame only

        These ratings are not for you to give, watch your own life. I post (or I will honor)) what I think and what I consider necessary
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 3 February 2018 10: 44
        +6
        Enough tales about a good king and bad boyars! Passed already. It's time to come to your senses and make the right decision in the March elections. The team of pseudo-patriotic thieves is not too late to be replaced by a team of patriots and creators. And Putin’s will ruin the country.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 11: 15
          +8
          Quote: NordUral
          Enough of fairy tales ... Passed by. It's time to come to your senses ... before it’s too late ...

          Oh damn ... the truth-teller brought belay
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 5 February 2018 09: 46
            +4
            And you didn’t get away from me, my friend, by chance? What are you so worried about?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 5 February 2018 09: 48
              +6
              Quote: NordUral
              And you didn’t get away from me, my friend, by chance?

              Don't run up yes
              Quote: NordUral
              What are you so worried about?

              I was surprised. You found somewhere
              Quote: NordUral
              team of patriots and creators

              So I thought - and who are they?
    2. captain
      captain 2 February 2018 11: 11
      +8
      Quote: XII legion
      Topical as I understand the article
      Russia, what to do - what is pop, such is the parish.
      Thank you!

      There is another saying; what kind of people, such and boyars.
    3. Height
      Height 2 February 2018 19: 07
      +4
      Is Putin again to blame? Zadolbali already!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 2 February 2018 21: 29
        +5
        Quote: Height
        Is Putin again to blame? Zadolbali already!

        There is a question for the Prosecutor General and Medvedev. A letter from the presidential administration is a reason for re-appeal, open with publication in the press.
        In our city, too, people invested in shared assets, but it turned out that the developer used lands not intended for this. As a result, the houses were demolished! It was disgusting to watch how on TV our local commander proudly declared, we know who the beneficiary is. What about people? People thrown into the street! Really it was impossible to transfer to the balance of the city, and to recover the cost from the "beneficiary"?
        Sore topic, no words.
        1. Height
          Height 2 February 2018 21: 40
          0
          And so, is this all over?
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 3 February 2018 10: 46
        +8
        So sleep, oversleep to the TV, and there - grace.
        1. Height
          Height 3 February 2018 16: 26
          +2
          So I see that you can’t wake up in any way. Still raving.
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 2 February 2018 07: 01
    13
    In Karelia there is really a bureaucratic lawlessness - my acquaintances of 2 of the year cannot get a plot of land for construction, and there is a specific plot, there is a cadastral number, a plan, etc., there is no decision on its allocation for this construction.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 2 February 2018 07: 19
      +2
      And whose plot? In their property? And if not, what are the reasons for highlighting it?
      1. vlad007
        vlad007 2 February 2018 07: 59
        +4
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        And whose plot? In their property? And if not, what are the reasons for highlighting it?


        Of course in their property. The site was selected by ordinary performers, people were very conscientious and responsible, they were selected on command from above, taking into account the availability of infrastructure (electricity, roads, etc.). We picked it up and presented it "to the top", and here it all died out. The official reasons are that it is necessary to conduct a tender, it is necessary, this is necessary. And nothing has changed.
      2. long in stock.
        long in stock. 2 February 2018 08: 07
        +6
        my acquaintances can’t take ownership of the land. although they have documents for it already since 1874 .. the thing is that it is located in the city center. Lawyers who deal with such things honestly say, we won’t. Despite the fact that everything is in order. well, they don’t sign and that’s all .. and the courts were all do not care. 20 hundredths in the elite place of the city is not for you muhra muhra ..
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 2 February 2018 08: 53
          +9
          Since 1874 ...? You haven’t misled anything? E-mayo, so I have my own village in the suburbs, belonged to my great-grandfather, wai ... so there probably all my inhabitants are there ... laughing Exactly, I’ll go to raise the pedigree, and run about the courts ... but just not to pay a ruble, because my dispossessed grandfather belonged ... give it back! Here are our people ... a freebie above all!
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 09
            14
            I understand that you don’t really have it with your head .. but there are documents for the house .. and who was born there, too. And there is a house book too. But yes ... you have to run away quickly and ... then there may not be enough medicine ..
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 14
              +5
              1874 ... I understood correctly, and you distinguish between numbers ...? Documents from that time have no legal or legal force, don’t be stupid! And remember, "it’s time to run quickly and quickly", and without a single heading ... section land, and buildings on it, two different things!
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 21
                10
                yes, they understood correctly .. yes, documents from 1874 have no legal force. but you didn’t understand the main thing because of your haste ... С1874 .. and at a later time, up to the latest, they also exist .. but they don’t give the land ... forbid, everything is legal but they don’t give .. can you try to read more slowly so that you don’t draw conclusions so quickly?
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 34
                  0
                  I already made a long time ago, there was a certain house on a foreign land .. the land never belonged to this house and its family, there is no house, those people are not there, the land is alien .. now relatives in three parts ... yes, knee want to buy elite land, on which once stood a house belonging to their grandfather’s second cousin’s nephews, from their mother’s cousin, so offer a normal amount, I’m sure they won’t refuse, do you want a penny or less than the market hell for you! Did I explain it sensibly enough?
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 2 February 2018 10: 00
                    +4
                    the house still exists. and these people live in it .. and they are direct descendants of those who lived there before them .. so what you did is better not to show anyone .. it just stands in a place where 1 hundred parts cost about 2 lamas ..
                    1. igorka357
                      igorka357 2 February 2018 13: 55
                      0
                      Your house ... it costs zero in ruble terms, the land beneath it is about two lyamas, say thank you, that your descendants of those people still do not rod from there .... I already understood everything ... someone wants to weld on an expensive country house. .. why the heck is not the property ... so ... be my land, I would say "either two lyamas per one hundred square meters ... or take your centenary house and walk" ... I immediately understood what was going on. .. laughing
                      1. Evgeniy667b
                        Evgeniy667b 5 February 2018 08: 10
                        +2
                        igorka357 What a self-confident you are! Is it not a cadastral engineer? How many such houses, land, there are rights through justice are not formalized. And here is such a tidbit in a couple of lyamas. Apparently, many lips rolled to this place. They can just burn the house.
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 2 February 2018 12: 52
                +7
                Quote: igorka357
                1874 ... I understood correctly, and you distinguish between numbers ...? Documents from that time have no legal or legal force, don’t be stupid!
                Whether or not they have is another question. If a citizen is registered and lives in a house that his great-grandfather built and which for one and a half hundred years has not gone away, then what's wrong? I have a friend in the Komi Republic, so he also has a house in the village with a registration number issued by the Zemstvo administration in 1878 - decorated in a brass plate. All generations of his last name in that house were stacked. But the fact that over the past time the house and the plot should have been re-registered is yes. For a long time already we live not according to the royal cadastre.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 2 February 2018 14: 07
                  +2
                  So, listen to me, a house is a house ... the land under it does not belong to anyone but the authorities that allow you to build your own housing on it, you are formally the owner of the land, in practice ... yours is just what you built on it ! They will pull power lines, they will evict you, they will build a highway, they will evict you ... You didn’t understand a bit, a house is a house ... even if there are hundreds of generations there are a lot of land .. a land plot, there is a land plot .. There were times when a piece of land belonged to a particular person .. but these times have passed a very long time! Lord ... well, how small you are, read the Internet already ... well, go to kraynyak ok ... laughing Well, everything is in the public domain! And I repeat, I have a village in the Tula region ... Kozino, and what kind of horses are there, and apples, and on the graveyard every second my name is ... and on all docks there is a land with a village and rye with wheat belonged to my great-grandfather ... but only that wheat is gone, there are no houses and horses ... and the land turned out to be state, although you can go and pick up centuries-old half-rotten log houses ... winked
              3. dogens
                dogens 2 February 2018 13: 35
                +4
                Quote: igorka357
                Documents from this time have no legal or legal force, do not be stupid!

                Please explain why they do not have power? I do not quite understand. And if it doesn’t complicate, explain by what principle, in your understanding, documents operate in time.
                Especially for you, I restored the password from the account.
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 2 February 2018 14: 07
                  0
                  If you are so interested, write in a personal!
        2. Height
          Height 2 February 2018 19: 20
          0
          It looks like a fairy tale, but I believe. My close relatives registered 12 hectares without much labor (Vologda Oblast), land for agricultural purposes. They want to arrange for suburban areas and sell. I'm not talking about the house and 12 acres and the house, try not to register, wake up for a long cough. It has long been in the property and without problems.
  5. Vard
    Vard 2 February 2018 07: 04
    +4
    The amount of knowledge in arithmetic for the third grade is enough to calculate any contract for money ... In the end there is the Internet, there to look ... And then what to complain ... If you yourself have signed everything ...
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 2 February 2018 07: 43
      11
      maybe so. but why did you decide that if you were deceived, then you don’t have to complain? It’s clear that it’s better not to take any loans at all, but it’s also impossible to let people lap. And how is the merging of power and business? it’s generally not right, but that’s the norm.
      1. Vard
        Vard 2 February 2018 08: 19
        +1
        To complain? Of course it’s not necessary ... if you have reasonable claims, file a lawsuit ... In this case, the recognition of the transaction as enslaving ...
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 February 2018 08: 29
          11
          and then? a lot of money is needed to go to court. and money has already been invested. yes, the court ... the woman killed us with a block from the roof and what? The director of the manager immediately in the hospital -health ended abruptly. And then they completely reduced the matter to a fine. what’s the problem, both of his sons are working in our prosecutor’s office .. as in this case. and everything is legal ..
          1. Vard
            Vard 2 February 2018 10: 32
            0
            You don’t know ... A court application is written in free form by hand ... And then you need to think carefully about what you want ... If money ... this is one ... if you put it another ... And it should be on hand a decision to institute criminal proceedings upon death ... The costs of all of my trials were mainly for stationery ...
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 2 February 2018 11: 26
              +2
              I brought you a specific case. I do not know what the relatives wanted, but I know the result of the murder, albeit not an intentional fine.
      2. igorka357
        igorka357 2 February 2018 08: 57
        +2
        Allow to cheat on whom? People allow themselves to cheat!
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 12
          +8
          Strange. Have you started talking on behalf of the people? Before, only a local crazy oligovich allowed himself to do this ... apparently the change is growing ..
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 18
            +1
            You’re talking nonsense, they don’t even understand the essence of my post! Do you think that the state should keep an eye on everyone so that they don’t deceive him? What kind of babble is this? If we have a people who love a freebie, you can’t argue with that!
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 25
              +9
              about nonsense, turn to yourself. I never speak on behalf of the people, and especially the state, but you allow it to yourself .. the state should not, it is obliged to protect its citizens. Didn’t know? including from freebie lovers ..
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 38
                +1
                So we are freebie lovers, 90% of site visitors will tell you this .. laughing And I didn’t speak on behalf of the people either ... I told you right away, you didn’t even understand the essence of my statement .. tongue
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 2 February 2018 10: 01
                  +6
                  really did not understand the essence .. maybe you need to write in Russian and not on a hairdryer?
              2. free
                free 2 February 2018 11: 32
                +2
                Quote: long in stock.
                about nonsense, turn to yourself. I never speak on behalf of the people, and especially the state, but you allow it to yourself .. the state should not, it is obliged to protect its citizens. Didn’t know? including from freebie lovers ..

                With a small amendment, the state of workers a, the bourgeois state no.
        2. dogens
          dogens 2 February 2018 13: 39
          +1
          Quote: igorka357
          Allow to cheat on whom? People allow themselves to cheat!

          I do not agree. Except for the lack of political activity, and periodic lack of care, those who make money from people are lapshat.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 2 February 2018 08: 56
      +1
      There you don’t even need arithmetic, you just need to be able to read it, and you must read the contract completely ... we have such a people, they saw the amount ... "I’ll take it all ohhh," and then when they press it they say, "Well, here you are themselves signed ".. and then our people adoring a freebie, begins to yell" deception .. fraud "....
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 13
        +4
        where do you have it?
        1. igorka357
          igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 15
          +1
          With us, this is in my homeland, in Russia, with us, this is with the Russians!
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 27
            +3
            I don’t know .. we don’t speak Russian nishtyak..and moreover they don’t like freeloaders ..
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 42
              +2
              It is possible with your Russians, with us Russians always speak nishtyak, and if you do not consider your offspring to be Russian, and our homeland to Russia, then it’s a real misfortune, you’re stuck in the past, and you don’t think all of today's Russians are Russian! ... In general, you excuse me if anything, but with a person who does not bother with capitalization, and who also have little knowledge of the legal issues of real estate and land, I’m not in a very long dialogue!
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 2 February 2018 10: 07
                +7
                where do you and my homeland, and especially offspring? and yes, I’m not Russian .. and Soviet. I took the oath to and faithful .. I look at how you understand the land issues, you can’t speak competently. I don’t want to capitalize switch caps .. the trouble of the country is that a lot of lawyers and experts on the land issue have appeared, but how to do it and there is nobody .. yes, I don’t know such a subspecies of Russians who speak the hair dryer instead of the Russian language ..
                1. andj61
                  andj61 2 February 2018 15: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Long in stock.
                  Yes, and I do not know such a subspecies of Russians who instead of the Russian language speak a hairdryer ..

                  And I remember that even count fifty years ago in the children's communication the word "nishtyak" constantly slipped. And it was not considered to be any Feney - so, by some subspecies of jargon. And before the “Russia” then it was still very far away!
      2. free
        free 2 February 2018 11: 33
        +4
        Quote: igorka357
        There you don’t even need arithmetic, you just need to be able to read it, and you must read the contract completely ... we have such a people, they saw the amount ... "I’ll take it all ohhh," and then when they press it they say, "Well, here you are themselves signed ".. and then our people adoring a freebie, begins to yell" deception .. fraud "....

        And for what they write in small handwriting in a corner, unless for the purpose of deceiving, by such scribbling you simply justify the geeks.
      3. dogens
        dogens 2 February 2018 13: 48
        +3
        Quote: igorka357
        There you don’t even need arithmetic, you just need to be able to read it, and you must read the contract completely ... we have such a people, they saw the amount ... "I’ll take it all ohhh," and then when they press it they say, "Well, here you are themselves signed ".. and then our people adoring a freebie, begins to yell" deception .. fraud "....

        You seem to be completely off topic, if you say such things. There is a legally established opinion that reading the law is not enough, it must be applied correctly. In addition, the contract is not everything. In addition to the contract, there are laws and regulations that every citizen cannot, not only know and apply, he may simply not know about their existence. Therefore, the legislator usually puts the consumer or employee in more favorable conditions than the seller or employer. The consumer is considered a weakly protected subject of relations in view of the above.
        If there are mass appeals from citizens, if there is a mass trial on the same type of cases with the same defendant. This is an occasion to think to prosecutors.
  6. tasha
    tasha 2 February 2018 07: 17
    +4
    Not dozens. Hundreds of contracts. And no, I repeat, no way to be heard.

    Something I doubt. With so many involved ...
    Shared construction in itself is that lottery. And what kind of agreement is this, according to which the cost of housing rises three to four times. Roman, read what they write there?
    1. andj61
      andj61 2 February 2018 15: 10
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Not dozens. Hundreds of contracts. And no, I repeat, no way to be heard.

      Something I doubt. With so many involved ...
      Shared construction in itself is that lottery. And what kind of agreement is this, according to which the cost of housing rises three to four times. Roman, read what they write there?

      good Something here is clearly not clean! Moreover, even the text of the contract, according to which you have to pay three to four times more expensive, is not given in the article. And so there’s practically nothing to discuss. You can only build speculation. And the percentage of the loan is not given. And so - 16% for 25 years - for certain types of loan agreements, when FIRST interest is paid for all 25 years, and only then - the amount of the principal debt - that’s how it will turn out — three times four times.
      Of course, it’s a pity for people, but the article is clearly in the latest Banshee-Putin’s tendency to bring the country: vote for Grudinin! bully
      Honestly, I myself would like to vote for him, but now I even began to doubt. hi
  7. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 2 February 2018 07: 18
    0
    The fact that everything is clear and true. Well, what is it about in this dignity? What happened then at all?

    At first glance, it’s another cunning type of currency mortgage (which is the way to go).
  8. Sash0
    Sash0 2 February 2018 07: 48
    +9
    With all my sympathy for interest holders. I can say the following:
    taking a mortgage in foreign currency or from little-known banks or structures, this is an example of how greed wins common sense. I'm already tired of the fact that someone decided to cut 2-4% of the rate below the market, and then they rally that the state owes everything. I have 2 mortgages in Sberbank, both apartments have been built, both have surrendered, for one of them it remains to pay 4 years, on the other 8, everything is in rubles, everything is transparent. That’s why I don’t understand people, if the house isn’t finished it’s understandable, the builder is on a pitchfork, but when a person chooses a muddy office from greed and then cries “help”, it does not bother me.
    And because debt is more than the cost of housing, now there is a bankruptcy mechanism for individuals. persons.
    It’s a pity, but I’ve seen enough of these foreign currency mortgages in Moscow, who at first thought that they were the smartest, and then it turned out that Russia needed loans in rubles, in general, again Uncle Vova should help someone out of the total money, and it would be desirable to pay compensation exempt from taxes, and the rest squeeze stronger.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 00
      +3
      Voooo, at least one common thought, only I’ll translate your message into the plain and understandable language “We adore freebies, but freebies are cheaper” ... and then, help the state .. laughing
    2. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 2 February 2018 09: 21
      13
      But shouldn't the state?
      Yes, currency mortgages have decided that they are the smartest and most cunning. It warps. Nevertheless, people were in trouble, people in the Russian masses. And people for whom this amount is the cornerstone.
      Russians do not abandon their? Against the background of another forgiven debt of Kyrgyzstan, I see that the Russians do not abandon the whole world, except for the Russians themselves.
      At the same time, the mechanism for helping these mortgages is not so complicated or costly. As I see it: the state could well buy out mortgages from banks and transfer everything to one of the state ones - VEB or VTB for example, and collect payments at the dollar exchange rate of 40 rubles or 45. The lesson is that you don’t have to try to deceive the whole world for such people will be taught, and at the same time the state will help with a very tangible part of the debt.
      Yesterday these people fell into a difficult situation, and if the state helped them, then looking at it, I would be much calmer to realize that if I get into trouble tomorrow, I won’t be left alone with her.
      1. parma
        parma 2 February 2018 11: 25
        +2
        Wait ... If I look at the wrong price tag in the store or don’t read the name and at the checkout the goods will be more expensive than I thought, should I shout the guard? Or if in a nearby store this product is cheaper, should I also run to the state and accuse of fraud? Or maybe you yourself need to learn first responsibility? Buying a home is a responsible event and you must first think it over, and do not chase, do not understand why you heard something somewhere ...
      2. free
        free 2 February 2018 11: 29
        +5
        Is this a state? That itself has made this scheme for the robbery of its citizens? Look at the root (as the cedar says), you see the essence of this state already! The state is just a superstructure over society and on what class of society and for what purpose it controls this state apparatus and what the state will be! Ask yourself who is in power in Russia? What is their interest?
    3. dogens
      dogens 2 February 2018 14: 17
      +4
      Quote: Sash0
      With all my sympathy for interest holders. I can say the following:
      taking a mortgage in foreign currency or from little-known banks or structures, this is an example of how greed wins common sense. I'm already tired of the fact that someone decided to cut 2-4% of the rate below the market, and then they rally that the state owes everything. I have 2 mortgages in Sberbank, both apartments have been built, both have surrendered, for one of them it remains to pay 4 years, on the other 8, everything is in rubles, everything is transparent. That’s why I don’t understand people, if the house isn’t finished it’s understandable, the builder is on a pitchfork, but when a person chooses a muddy office from greed and then cries “help”, it does not bother me.
      And because debt is more than the cost of housing, now there is a bankruptcy mechanism for individuals. persons.
      It’s a pity, but I’ve seen enough of these foreign currency mortgages in Moscow, who at first thought that they were the smartest, and then it turned out that Russia needed loans in rubles, in general, again Uncle Vova should help someone out of the total money, and it would be desirable to pay compensation exempt from taxes, and the rest squeeze stronger.

      You are probably the father of a large family, and remember why you decided to take a mortgage. So people were forced to get in touch with “dark horses” not because they were greedy, but because they had a need.
      Do not compare Moscow and Karelia. A person who has 2 mortgages and people who collect for one long time.
  9. Loess
    Loess 2 February 2018 08: 09
    +4
    The situation, of course, is terrible. But I don’t understand how the deception of citizens occurs. The court takes the apartment on the basis of non-payments, I understand that. Apartments are sold at an inflated price, I also understood this. Citizens buying apartments know the amount of monthly payments. So they can pay this amount. So where in the article is a scheme described through which chaos occurs? Or is lawlessness only in taking away apartments from non-payers? They wrote about the falsification of signatures, but to explain for what purpose they were not falsified? I already heard something about this scandal, but this article itself does not contain any specifics ...
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 03
      +2
      Contains-contains ... see the root, as the famous Kozma used to say .. "Puting power
      Yeldomsturmomnavalny our president ".... oh sorry for the flood .. laughing !
      1. Loess
        Loess 2 February 2018 09: 12
        0
        ¡No pasarán! lol
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 2 February 2018 15: 13
        0
        Quote: igorka357
        bulk our president ".... oh sorry for the flood.
        Replace with “sternum will come in order”
  10. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 2 February 2018 08: 38
    +6
    brought to ruin and deprivation of housing, and now to the suicide of the inhabitants of Karelia

    And why the hell is ...? They didn’t borrow money for a gun? And on cartridges with zeroes ... And to visit them. And then you can and everything else!
  11. Cheburator
    Cheburator 2 February 2018 08: 42
    22
    The mafia has settled not only in Karelia ...
    It’s great that such articles appear
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 2 February 2018 08: 47
      12
      it’s impossible about the mafia so .. it’s not decent in relation to the vertical of power ..
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 2 February 2018 09: 22
        +1
        Ahh .. well, so everything fell into place .. laughing , I thought you were a friend for acquaintances in the article, but I wasn’t mistaken ... it turns out to be a banal "Putinget" ... wink
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 2 February 2018 09: 28
          +6
          and where does Putin? and .. well, you have not a lot of words .. understandable .. Elochka the cannibal?
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 6 February 2018 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: Cheburator
      It’s great that such articles appear

      Yes, who would argue. It’s necessary to cover such moments, BUT ... Something recently has been flooded with such “revealing” opuses on VO, just like from a printer, yeah. If, for example, the same Karelian problem is not a day, not two, and not a month, then for some reason, it is only now impatient to embed an article filled with righteous anger. request In a word, some crap is felt. Okay, let's see.
  12. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 2 February 2018 09: 06
    +8
    All suicides are wimps and whiners! It was necessary to fill up the one who did the disgust, and not to arrange self-made. Is it really so problematic to get a pair of F-1 grenades and an old 16-gauge rifle bike? More formidable products can be bought from the "children of the mountains" if there is access to the right people. There are a lot of options to punish a fraudster, but this requires courage and audacity.
    1. Vard
      Vard 2 February 2018 10: 38
      0
      It's you for nothing ... this article ... you can learn how to throw through the thigh ... by the way, one of the simplest tricks ... works fine even against twice as much mass ...
      1. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 2 February 2018 10: 43
        +5
        If a person was brought to a pen, then by and large, he does not give a damn about his fate.
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 2 February 2018 11: 05
    +5
    Guys, this is everywhere ... At the beginning of the article it is said that the blogger is fighting alone - this is the trouble. Here we need only a third force - we do not have it in our country - it is formed from society, from initiative citizens. It is useless to fight such companies - the client has signed an agreement, that's all! And the fact that our citizens are not legally educated, sign without reading, are bought on a sign - this does not bother anyone. Such citizens are to blame for themselves - my opinion is no, for we have such a mentality among the people, to trust. while the people themselves are not organizing with us, this will all happen. It’s useless to appeal to the authorities, any verification will say the transaction is legal, fraudsters live on this, and they can also be imprisoned only if the violation of the law is proven.
    Many active comrades, who have a lot of effort on the forums to write how bad everything is, could well organize public organizations and engage in salvation in practice. I assure you - there will be a lot of supporters for the lawlessness has already got it.
    I foresee a question about me - I’ll answer in advance, I’m already engaged in social activities, it’s a drop in the ocean, but if you collect a drop, then there will already be strength ...
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 2 February 2018 11: 30
      +4
      the mentality has nothing to do with it. if you are doing a certain job, you will study it. But it doesn’t come to anyone’s head before he goes to the hospital to graduate from a medical institute.
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 2 February 2018 11: 40
        +1
        I agree. Personally, I study the documents that I sign for a long time and consult with some lawyers on some wordings.
  14. free
    free 2 February 2018 11: 21
    +8
    The fish rots from the head! This system began to form under Jude Yeltsin, and ended under Putin. Vote for Putin and you will be twice as much such "happiness."
  15. Cop
    Cop 2 February 2018 11: 21
    +5
    So when I read such articles, the feeling that we live in the zone does not leave me. But instead of the laws of the concept. After all, the problem described in the article is not so difficult. To solve most of these problems, it is necessary at the federal level to adopt the law "On Mortgage". According to this law, in my opinion, the maximum percentage for it cannot exceed 2% of the Central Bank refinancing rate and inflation. The percentage of inflation should change once a year. In addition, no more than a thousand rubles can be taken for opening an account and three percent of the amount of each transaction. AND EVERYTHING. If, for example, the client cannot repay the loan, then he should have the right to pay only the interest on the loan for one year plus the cost of maintaining the apartment. After that, if he is again not solvent, then the organization that issued the loan draws up a lease for the disputed apartment with him. The rent should consist of two parts: the cost of maintaining the apartment and the same amount of rent. The borrower has no right to refuse to sign this agreement. A lease is valid until the court decision on the bankruptcy of an individual comes into force. This loan is insured in the proportion of 70% of the financial institution and 30% of the borrower or his guarantors. Well, if the apartment is not built, the borrower is exempted from all payments and his loan is frozen for the duration of the investigation, trial and recovery of funds from scammers. And the first thing to do in the field of housing and communal services, before the adoption of such a law, is to streamline the form of ownership in it. Or in other words, houses can be either private, or state, or departmental, or profitable. And you can’t mix them.
    1. yehat
      yehat 2 February 2018 13: 18
      +8
      the country has long passed the adoption of laws that strictly regulate the maximum share of payments to money lenders and the limitation of interest on loans. A lot of problems. There are so many ways to cheat. Deputies are surprised when they are told that half of the country does not take 10-14% per annum, declared by many banks, but 20-40% per annum (difficult personal conditions, a completely opaque decision-making system) plus imposed insurance, which often turns out to be completely unpaid, and other services.
      And there are many reasons for this. One of them is a serious drop in the incomes of the poorest part of the population over the past 4 years, and a deepening of the stratification by incomes of the population. Diversification of inflation - what the poor buy is getting more expensive than what the wealthier invest in.
      1. Severok
        Severok 2 February 2018 23: 28
        +5
        In fact, it’s time in the country to ban usury, and the right to grant a loan should be exclusively the state, and only through a state bank, directly to borrowers. Once upon a time, it was time to pass a law prohibiting any financial speculation, prohibiting mortgages and ownership of mineral resources, energy resources, and infrastructure facilities. It is high time to break the constitution of the dead Bori and return to the constitution of the 1936 USSR model.
  16. Tektor
    Tektor 2 February 2018 11: 44
    +7
    Yes, in Karelia there is some kind of nature reserve in terms of concepts. The prison system flourishes, where prisoners are the population, and satrap guards are the elite of United Russia. And the laws of the Russian Federation do not apply there, only who is more aphoristic in special circles is right.
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 February 2018 18: 43
      +3
      If only in Karelia! Do you think in the suburbs differently?
  17. Des10
    Des10 2 February 2018 12: 10
    +1
    Well ... there are no words.
    Article - custom, or what?
    Better Romanov (local) than such a Roman. Justify the surname.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 3 February 2018 04: 02
      +1
      Quote: Des10
      Better Romanov (here)

      Who? recourse If the Banshee is unlikely No. I’m still here because I’m practically not writing request
  18. QWERTY
    QWERTY 2 February 2018 12: 33
    +2
    An article about what? Some misery and deception, but no specifics. Describe, it is possible not even in great detail, what did the victims subscribe to and what are they cheating on? A thriller from any event can be done. An article in the spirit of REN-TV, a lot of screaming is not clear about what.
  19. yehat
    yehat 2 February 2018 13: 09
    +1
    Something I did not understand what the problem actually was. Than agreements with Sana, which people sign in hundreds, are so insidious and not honest.
    what I managed to understand - people take something in a loan and do not look at how much this loan costs.
    2 questions to those who are in the subject - how much is such an agreement imposed on people and what is wrong there?
  20. bagel
    bagel 2 February 2018 13: 13
    +1
    In Karelia there is more than one karela in the power elite belay Armenians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, the Caucasus ...
  21. Cyril312
    Cyril312 2 February 2018 13: 13
    +2
    Such a scam all over the country .... It’s just that we are especially cunning, they’re starting to steal like that ... It’s just how much the same advertising has become with these online casinos, and advertising is money, it means someone invests there .... With this, I also consider that such services as housing and communal services, developers of high-rise buildings and much more should only be state-owned. In general, other campaigns could survive that it would simply be cheaper to build a house more reliably from the state, which means that people would invest in ships .... In the meantime, everything will be so. = (And it doesn’t matter Putin in power or some other kind of olehan, like a sternum ....
  22. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 13: 36
    +2
    The first paragraph, you don't need to read further. I understand a metaphor, a contagious thing, but the essence of what is written must correspond to reality. For example, the author is writing about propagandizing irons, okay, let's omit the question why the author is listening to the iron. Take TV, I think my interaction with TV will be about the average. Since I do not belong to teenagers and pensioners. These are special groups of the population and their attitude towards TV differs from the average. So here I am, on TV occasionally watch the channel Friday the program Orel & Reshka. Very rarely, when there is another event in Ukraine, I watch political talk shows where Ukrainians are shown. And I'm more interested in the behavior, the messages of the Ukrainian side. Everything, the more I do not look at the box, I use it for the most part as a monitor for viewing content. But I regularly hear a TV zombie me, and now an iron. I make an unequivocal conclusion that the writer does not know the current situation in the country, it means that he writes because of the cordon or is not a Russian, or a recent Russian, I do not exclude the possibility that the person received citizenship and now on behalf of the Russian, writes.
    And last, in the discussion, it sounds like Putin is to blame on every territory, what's going on there? If somewhere polygamy, for example, is he the same?
  23. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 2 February 2018 13: 38
    +1
    Yes, at least, I’m sorry, make your head in your comments .. In Russia it always has been and is. Reread the "Farmyard", especially the place about the commandments on the wall of the barn .. And then remember the position of the prosecutors on the road ..
    In general, there is only one conclusion; from power in our country, they only take forward with their feet ..
    1. Cop
      Cop 2 February 2018 14: 28
      +1
      Quote: Ace Tambourine
      ... In Russia it has always been and is ...

      So once I was at the dead sea, and there in a hotel on TV on the local 9th ​​channel they showed a program about scammers who also raised money and did not build houses. And one of these scammers was so similar to Polonsky ....
  24. AsKet84
    AsKet84 2 February 2018 13: 44
    +1
    They sailed, sailed in a dirty river, and here once the gills clogged with mud ... This happens not only in Karelia .. The people are silent, but they grit their teeth ..
  25. Alex_59
    Alex_59 2 February 2018 13: 46
    +1
    I still do not understand what is the scheme of divorce? Why do people go to terminate the contract? If only they would write in detail, otherwise the essence is not visible. How can I understand who is right and who is wrong?
  26. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 2 February 2018 13: 49
    +5
    Moscow Region, Odintsovo, ZhK Val De Emerol. Interest holders are waiting for the promised several years. Out of several dozen low-rise buildings, several were commissioned, and even then according to a temporary scheme. The indirect owner of all this collective farm is the local diplomat - a businessman. Nothing affects him. Neither the local government nor television, etc. by the list. Nearby in the Forest town is located LCD Iris. The house has been commissioned, but for six months they have not been able to finish the parking, turn on the elevators and register the cadastre. And the company with which they require forfeit is simply laying and actually bankrupt. In Moscow itself, too many examples. The same LCD Tsaritsyno recall. The authorities do not care. Power protects itself and the pipe. And so that it would not be too bad to carry out the reform. On which shared construction will no longer be, but prices will creep up. That is, as always, the good king will save the lackeys at their own expense.)
  27. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 13: 52
    +3
    Quote: Tektor
    Yes, in Karelia there is some kind of nature reserve in terms of concepts. The prison system flourishes, where prisoners are the population, and satrap guards are the elite of United Russia. And the laws of the Russian Federation do not apply there, only who is more aphoristic in special circles is right.

    Well, everything is as you write, but in the USA, for example, in a different way? Do you know what story the Russian film about the lawlessness of power - Leviathan - was shot? I will answer myself, according to the plot that happened in the USA. That's how it turns out. On a shining hill, dark spots when you look closely.
    1. bokarev7
      bokarev7 2 February 2018 14: 18
      +1
      Leviathan filmed about the city of Kandalaksha. This city is on the Kola Peninsula.
      The USA has nothing to do with it!
  28. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 13: 57
    +1
    The title of the article, among other things, it seems to me reveals the geographical location of the author, in relation to Russia. The author, the author, apparently ponders whether or not to go to Russia. It turns out like this.
  29. Anatoly Borkov
    Anatoly Borkov 2 February 2018 13: 59
    +1
    The country has a complete LEGAL ENDURANCE, and it is run by MAPHIC CLANS, and the so-called CORRUPTION Committee, personally headed by Putin in the DREAMING HALF (I have amazing answers from them). All this citizen Putin KNOWS very well, as he knows that sooner or later he will have to RESPOND for EVERYTHING, and therefore grabbed hold of power by a dead grip. Although PUBLICALLY and LOUDLY ANNOUNCED: - "If I see that the PEOPLE do not trust me, - I WILL LEAVE THE SAME DAY." THE PEOPLE have not TRUSTED for a long time, but the DAY of leaving, that is, FULFILLMENT of their loud statement does not come. The nomination of the ONE candidate from the PATRIOTS of RUSSIA and the Communist Party in general caused a wild hysteria of Putin's media and his entourage. A stupid vile FALSE started against P. Grudinin and his team. television channels showed the “GREATEST” event from the life of V. Putin, - HE DIPED into Lake SELIGER, - which CORRUPTED his PURE waters, but not ONE GOS.KANAL deigned to show the MODERN ECONOMY of P. Grudinin. PROMISING, PROMISING, PROMISING, hopeless systemic FALSE, and FEAR to be responsible for what has been done is ALL that the Putin regime is capable of, and that makes it cling so frantically to power.
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 2 February 2018 14: 07
    +5
    I read, spat. There is nothing to lament! It is necessary to demolish this "our" power in the elections.
    By the fact that persuasion and tears can not change anything.
    And then, most importantly, now half of the country has been taken away from us, and a new wave of privatization, which is inevitable if Putin wins, will completely deprive us of the country. These, that in Moscow, it does not bother. Either they don’t understand that they will be swept off shit as soon as they do everything, or they promised a small share. Only when the Anglo-Saxon leaders did not cheat?
    So we have only one choice - the whole people go to the polls and vote for Grudinin.
    Do not go - it will be too late to lament later.
    Our authorities are insane. He is selling it to everyone, or rather trying to enter the S-400, from Tu-160 he wants to make a passenger supersonic, to extend a ban from China to Europe, to make us happy and rich. Everything is bad for us. Can it really not reach us all - we are for them, a burden and cannon fodder. And so it will be if we sit out on sofas, wailing and indignant.
    https://мой-президент.рф - вот тут высказались неравнодушные к свой судьбе, судьбе детей и внуков, судьбе великой не так уж давно страны (пусть и приболевшей в70-80-е), преданой _ками верховными, а и мы хороши были. Но пора опомниться, пора уже.
    1. Height
      Height 3 February 2018 17: 04
      +1
      We must also remember, maybe I didn’t have 3 or 5 billion in my foreign accounts.
      Just think, five billion, I could completely forget about this trifle.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 5 February 2018 20: 15
        +2
        Height. It’s exactly that with memory, that with the ability to listen or read, you are tight. Loaded on lime billiards. Would you count Putin’s friends?
        1. Height
          Height 5 February 2018 21: 31
          0
          Why fake? Communist Party reported that the accounts were closed. But I'm not talking about the city of Canoy, someone’s house is on Panpeo street, because maybe it's crap, and maybe not ...
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 2 February 2018 14: 09
    +5
    Aww, adherents - why are we silent? lol It is necessary to defend, to say that he is not aware that the evil "boyars" are substituting, and in general the Communists are to blame! wassat
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 5 February 2018 20: 16
      +1
      What are you talking about, my friend?
  32. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 February 2018 14: 21
    +4
    Putin rides a horse, and Russia is .... recourse
    1. Height
      Height 3 February 2018 17: 05
      0
      Selyuk is eating in Ukraine ...
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 2 February 2018 14: 21
    0
    Quote: Radikal
    Aww, adherents - why are we silent? lol It is necessary to defend, to say that "himself" is not aware that the evil "boyars" are betraying, and in general the Communists are to blame! wassat
  34. lukewarm
    lukewarm 2 February 2018 14: 27
    +1
    Here it is the power vertical, in all its glory. Do you remember Tsapkov? The hoes were in the south, Shmynyniki in the north. What can I say ... "equidistant" Remember the label definition?
  35. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 February 2018 15: 22
    +2
    Real estate loans in our country are “Russian roulette” ... interest, hidden clauses of the contract, banal “scam”. It’s better not to play this “game” and not get involved in the mortgage .... Ownership in Russian realities is relative. People are sorry, but they were hardly forced to take out a loan at gunpoint.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 February 2018 00: 33
      +3
      Buying a hut at the construction stage is an investment of its own, with risks commensurate with exchange trading, people should be aware that such injections are a big risk, and since they want it cheaper, even scoring for the correct paperwork - all this results in "We were deceived" with the loss of money, time, etc. Blaming the state for its ignorance and quickness is, to put it mildly, stupid.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 11: 13
        +1
        If you were robbed, then you yourself are to blame. Is logical. It would be worth you to carve your same demagoguery, but today I am too lazy.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 11: 32
          +3
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          If you were robbed, then you yourself are to blame

          Firstly, they wrote to you ... a little bit not what you understood.
          Secondly, they wrote you absolutely correct and obvious things.
          Thirdly, what you wrote is absolutely correct. Although, as I understand it, it was an attempt to sarcastic a little ...
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          It’s worth you to carve your demagoguery, but today I’m too lazy

          Here and to me - laziness. That owl is such a fall.
          But it would be worth it, it was worth it ... I'll take care of you at my leisure yes
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 3 February 2018 14: 07
            +1
            Duel? I give you a choice of weapons. Swords, pistols, RPG-7. ERP does not offer, due to the overwhelming advantage in ownership. smile
  36. kaon3000
    kaon3000 2 February 2018 16: 42
    0
    The Russian rebellion is terrible and merciless ...
  37. Height
    Height 2 February 2018 22: 04
    0
    Quote: bokarev7
    Leviathan filmed about the city of Kandalaksha. This city is on the Kola Peninsula.
    The USA has nothing to do with it!

    Maybe in Teriberka, no?
  38. Natalia777
    Natalia777 3 February 2018 07: 18
    +1
    Lawlessness in Karelia needs to be stopped. It was necessary to address complaints immediately, correctly and even to the press. The fact that Putin is again to blame and all of Russia is bad because of American and local scammers is already tired. Putin is not a god and cannot put honest brains on everyone. And the majority of good ordinary citizens immediately become scammers and corrupt officials, having seized power and will not miss the opportunity to rob. I hope that this gang of bastards will succeed in punishing.
  39. samarin1969
    samarin1969 3 February 2018 08: 23
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Buying a hut at the construction stage, this is an investment of their own, with risks commensurate with exchange trading, people should be aware that such injections are a big risk, and since they want cheaper, even hammering on the correct paperwork - all this results in "We were deceived" with the loss of money, time, etc.

    I absolutely agree with you. I never understood people buying apartments in houses where construction is still underway, and sometimes also on credit. The risk is beyond. I note that the "proper execution of documents" from some "Polonsky" does not insure.
  40. Gaersul
    Gaersul 3 February 2018 10: 59
    +1
    Quote: Pax tecum

    Muscovites, for the most part, are cranks with the letter m (what then, what now),

    Good day. Thank you for not all absolutely Muscovites under one comb, but at least made a selection. That's the longer I live, the more I understand that a Muscovite is a curse.
  41. Viking
    Viking 3 February 2018 16: 00
    +2
    How does this article relate to the theme of the Military Review website? Except for the next vyser before the elections, the site visited has nothing to do with the site. Moderators, finally get down to work !!! Clean your site from left-in stuffing. They have their own sites full of like "Rain" or "Echo Matzah." Well, let them frolic there.
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  43. Awaz
    Awaz 4 February 2018 21: 05
    +1
    However, in the first place it is still the illiteracy of the population and the fact that no one ever reads what they sign .. Secondly, the desire for freebies. I'm pretty sure that they got into shit precisely because they were led for free.
    People, let us nevertheless firstly think for ourselves with our heads and not get involved with obvious swindlers. How many similar frauds have already been rolled out throughout the country, how many similar offices have there been that people collected money to get a freebie to collect money? ..
    It is clear that such scammers always have support from both the authorities and law enforcement agencies, but the whole reason for their success is that people themselves do not understand what they are signing for, and when they notice that they have been fooled, they still do not get out of the situation, depriving yourself the last chance to achieve justice ..
  44. JOHN SILVER_2
    JOHN SILVER_2 5 February 2018 15: 15
    +1
    Regular suckers whose power is to blame for the fact that they signed something somewhere without realizing that .. MDDA news is direct).
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 6 February 2018 19: 38
      0
      JOHN Well, she’s naive God! You think . that those people are suckers. nothing like this will happen to you! Yes easily! And the sheets in the contract will be replaced and the signatures forged. but the expert will prove "his". that the signatures are real. and a citizen from America just arrived? .Yes 100 pounds knew. what is there for this prison. and here expanse for thief Vaughn in the Krasnodar Territory is famously taking away land from farmers. He shredded the people. instead of strangling the world-eater. takes his own life ...
  45. starshina78
    starshina78 5 February 2018 19: 10
    +3
    And what is it in Karelia alone? Across the country, bandits for one with the authorities. In Moscow suburbs the same nonsense. Everywhere. This is our vertical of power.
    1. Sverdlov
      Sverdlov 6 February 2018 16: 22
      0
      This power is along with the bandits. Both are beneficial ...
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  47. Bf109e7
    Bf109e7 6 February 2018 14: 23
    +1
    Lynching! Nothing else will help here.
  48. mac789
    mac789 9 February 2018 08: 05
    0
    I recall 47 ronin ... "Evil could go unpunished - it was unbearable ..." By the way, I can not find this inscription in Japanese anywhere, can anyone tell me?