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Erdogan received a "first Chinese warning" from the Armed Forces of Syria. What happened at Hadera?

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Despite the hopes initially assigned by high-ranking representatives of the Foreign Ministries of Russia, Syria and Iran, which was held from 29 to 30 in January, the Syrian National Dialogue Congress, neither the diplomatic nor the military-political concept of resolving the situation in the Idlib region and the canton of Afrin (Aleppo province) could not reach a level that allows the formation of the so-called Commission to discuss the constitution of Syria. The only moment that was implemented during this congress was the selection and coordination of 150 candidates for the creation of the aforementioned commission, the 100 people from whom will represent the government "front", and the opposition forces around 50. When considering the situation without a certain degree of engagement and in more detail, the quite adequate question arises: on what grounds are opposition forces in the CAP given the right to vote, and especially in matters of updating the Syrian constitution? After all, we all know well that the representatives of this opposition, supported by Turkey, continue to probe the defense of the Kurdish YPG detachments of the peaceful canton of Afrin to seize these lands. Moreover, the armed forces of the FSA ("Free Syrian Army"), patronized by representatives of the opposition, have already made many attempts to seize ATS settlements in the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo.

What is even more interesting, the high-level opposition negotiating group HNC (High Negotations Committee), as well as representatives of the SNC (Syrian National Council), actively cooperating with the FSA and other anti-government armed groups, decided to refuse to participate in the congress, calling it negotiations “Regime with regime”, while another group of anti-Assad delegates from Turkey boycotted the meeting immediately after arriving in Sochi, arguing their decision with “hateful flags” present on the logo of Gressa. In such a position of the opposition forces, the belligerent and unshakable position of the Republic of Turkey is clearly visible, which does not benefit from “freezing” the conflict with the canton of Afrin, nor suspending the “pumping” of the “Idlib gadyushnik” with weapons, because without looking at any agreements with the Russian Federation, Erdogan does not plan to retreat from the undisclosed part of the military operation “The Euphrates Shield” launched at the end of 16 of the year. As you remember, during the announcement of its launch, the Turkish president paid attention to the fact that one of the main tasks of the “Euphrates Shield” is to overthrow the regime of Bashar al-Assad. With this in mind, Tayip operates today.

Vivid evidence of this is not uninteresting events that occur during the last week of January in the northern and western parts of the Idlib Gadyushnik, divided into sectors of control of the Dzhebhat al-Nusra (Hayat Tahrir ash-Sham), scattered groups of armed "moderate opposition ”, As well as the pro-Turkish“ backbone ”of the FSA (CCA). About a week ago, according to the information on the syria.liveuamap.com online map, as well as some Kurdish and opposition resources, a huge military convoy of the Turkish army, which included KIRPI (4X4) armored vehicles and armored infantry fighting vehicles, entered the province of Idlib. more than a hundred infantrymen. The column proceeded from the Turkish checkpoint "Reyhanli" (Hatay province) in the direction of the city of Al Ays, located near the city of Khader (near the front line) controlled by the Syrian Arab Army.


Turkish military convoy heading for Al Ays


The convoy stopped and took a wait-and-see attitude, as reported by eyewitnesses from Al-Ace. Obviously, in agreement with the Turkish armed forces, the Dzhebhat an-Nusra formations and the armed opposition were supposed to “soften” the defense of the Syrian army, partially exhausting artillery batteries and fortifications in the vicinity of Hadera, after which the Turkish army’s infantry formations from the convoy planned to seize this city "On the quiet" of mayhem "an-Nusra". Later, it became clear that the command of the Turkish Armed Forces greatly underestimated the CAA, apparently counting on the same neutral reaction as in the situation with the attack on Afrin. This was the strategic miscalculation of the Turks.


The route of the Turkish military convoy (map syria.liveuamap.com)



Tactical situation on the border of Aleppo and Idlib on 29.01.18. The light green area is the territory controlled by en-Nusra and other terrorist groups, the yellow is the southern sector of the canton of Afrin, the red is the territories liberated by the Syrian Arab Army. The blue “markers” reflect the locations of the Turkish convoy (there is a complete coordination of the actions of the Turkish Armed Forces with the terrorists from Tahrir ash-Sham), the red “markers” are the points of the AAA’s retaliatory artillery strikes against the terrorists and the promotional convoy


In the evening, 29 in January, red “markers” appeared on the syria.liveuamap.com map in the Al Ays area, denoting artillery strikes by the Syrian forces on the Kammari - Al Ais motorway, where the Turkish convoy was located. 2 days later, the well-known News Front resource, citing Syrian sources, reported that the Syrian Arab Army units advancing on the occupied Tahrir ash-Sham settlements of Foix and Kefrai faced a large mixed group of the enemy, among which were the al-Sham militants, as well as the Turkish military, who opened up heavy-caliber machine-guns and mortars at the assault forces of the government forces. The Syrian army responded with a powerful artillery "otvetku" from the positions deployed near Hadera, after which the Turks fired 7 NURSs in units of the Syrian army in Hadera (the type of missiles is not reported).

According to local sources, after the fire from the Turkish convoy and the Tahrir al-Sham terrorist groups, a tactical airspace appeared aviationwho worked for the convoy and terrorists in the ICARDA area (along the M5 “Damascus-Aleppo” motorway), as well as north of El Ais; she was supported by the Syrian barrel artillery. It is not known exactly whose aircraft operated according to the Turkish convoy and al-Nusra (Russian Air Force or Syrian Air Force), but the effect was already visible after a few hours. The convoy, consisting of almost 100 units, immediately began to return to the side of Kanatir, and later completely went back to Hatay. During retaliatory strikes by the Syrian artillery and the Air Force, several pieces of equipment were destroyed and damaged.

Erdogan received a "first Chinese warning" from the Armed Forces of Syria. What happened at Hadera?

Return of the Turkish convoy towards Kanatir


As for the incident with the attack on the retreating convoy of the Turkish Armed Forces in Al-Atarib (the northern territories of the Idlib opposition-terrorist "enclave"), everything here remains under a veil of secrecy. The Turkish side, without any hard evidence, laid the blame on the YPG detachments from the Afrin canton, which are completely irrelevant to the north of Idlib, because the southern border of the Kurdish enclave is in 20 km north of the sector controlled by the Free Syrian Army. Later, responsibility for the attack on the convoy took over the IS, which the Al-Atarib area has not been controlling for a long time. In fact, having long-standing ties with LIH, the Turkish side could well have asked igilovtsev such a statement to divert media attention from a more resonant armed clash with the Syrian army near Hadera. Naturally, Ankara did not raise the hype around the incident under Khader, because the actions took place with the involvement of terrorist groups and in violation of all de-escalation agreements; And in the case of Afrin, Turkey’s reputation is very tarnished.

The countermeasures of the Syrian government forces implemented against the Turkish convoy and the accompanying Tahrir al-Sham 29 militants of January will have a sobering effect on the military leadership of Turkey, which will begin to more thoroughly analyze the possible consequences before boldly overstepping all limits permitted under international agreements on de-escalation into the SAR for its own territorial advantage.

Information sources:
http://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2018/01/31/1678508.html
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/3961720.html
https://syria.liveuamap.com/
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  1. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 1 February 2018 06: 49
    15
    That's exactly the "Chinese". Nobody wants to give in, but the owner is still Syria.
    1. Vard
      Vard 1 February 2018 07: 47
      19
      It has long been known ... that with a good word and a gun you can achieve much more ... than just a good word ...
      1. Squint
        Squint 5 February 2018 16: 46
        +1
        This principle does not apply to Turks, in whose veins there is a "traditional" stab in the back and a stealth kick for the sake of hopes for a new Ottoman Empire.
        Take a look at THE WHOLE HISTORY of Turkey.
        Experiencing the strength of others, the Turks do not accept the rank of submission; they continue to secretly prepare their machinations.
        1. Squint
          Squint 5 February 2018 17: 08
          0
          But the fact that it was the Turks who were given the opportunity to go so far "like a path" leaves you wondering: who needs this? Moreover, we see here the "confusion" of the warrior.
  2. vlad007
    vlad007 1 February 2018 07: 07
    12
    Quote from the article: "Whose aircraft operated according to the Turkish convoy and al-Nusra (Russian Air Force or Syrian Air Force), it is not known exactly, but the effect was visible after a few hours."

    The main thing is that the effect is visible, and whose aviation is the little things.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 1 February 2018 07: 43
      29
      Who are the "units"? Is there an analogue of the name in Russian?
      The feeling that the term is taken from computer games. Or is it fashionable now, to replace military terms with analogues in English?
      1. ttk1975
        ttk1975 1 February 2018 09: 00
        +4
        Apparently, the convoy units of both the Turkish Armed Forces and the "other" forces.
        1. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 2 February 2018 14: 46
          +3
          Quote: ttk1975
          Apparently, the convoy units of both the Turkish Armed Forces and the "other" forces.

          But in the RF Armed Forces such terms are not used. This is all due to the fact that our journalists often go too far with Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V.
      2. slavaseven
        slavaseven 1 February 2018 09: 37
        +7
        Analogue, depending on the context - unit, unit, combat unit
      3. novel66
        novel66 1 February 2018 09: 38
        11
        Russian analogue - dryndulet lol
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 1 February 2018 09: 54
        +7
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Who are the "units"? Is there an analogue of the name in Russian?

        In this context, you can: A convoy consisting of almost 100 pieces of equipment. Too long.
        Unit - a game unit (character) in computer strategic games.
        Syrian war is a strategy, however ...
      5. realist
        realist 1 February 2018 12: 43
        +6
        Previously, they simply called "units" and everything was in order ...
      6. ivselim
        ivselim 1 February 2018 13: 07
        +4
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Who are the "units"? Is there an analogue of the name in Russian?
        The feeling that the term is taken from computer games. Or is it fashionable now, to replace military terms with analogues in English?

        Units are called cars, tanks and everything that shoots in computer games. In Russian, it is a "combat unit." Something like this.
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 1 February 2018 14: 48
          +8
          Thank. for the help. hi
          A request to the author!
          No need to stoop to the media managers broadcasting at the top time about the trends sown by the author’s performance. belay
          We will be expressed in the state language with the participation of professional slang soldier (Is it the Military Review or ... how?)
          Sincerely. ... hi
      7. siberalt
        siberalt 1 February 2018 18: 55
        +1
        Units are allies (decomp.).
      8. Abel
        Abel 1 February 2018 19: 26
        +2
        Pure Englishism. Unit - a unit of equipment
        1. sxfRipper
          sxfRipper 5 February 2018 13: 35
          0
          Unit, in addition, is the name of the default program module in the same C ++ Builder wink
      9. Korsar4
        Korsar4 1 February 2018 22: 47
        +5
        I agree. The eye just cuts. And there is no need to use other people's words.
    2. yehat
      yehat 1 February 2018 12: 18
      +2
      most likely there were Syrian su-19s. If su-24, su-25 or su-34 arrived, the convoy would suffer very heavy losses
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 1 February 2018 17: 12
        +4
        How long has Syria mastered the release of the Su-19? laughing
        1. yehat
          yehat 1 February 2018 17: 27
          +2
          and what if they bought them, then not Syrian?
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 1 February 2018 17: 42
            +4
            Man, where could they buy something that was never produced? laughing So I decided that they themselves produce drinks
            1. yehat
              yehat 1 February 2018 18: 02
              +1
              uh it was about su-17m3 or su-20. made a mistake in the index
              su-19 by the way - NATO designation of the first versions of su-24.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 1 February 2018 19: 11
                +5
                So I thought that they were wrong, and strained your memory to a common understanding laughing Su-17 is my favorite car. drinks
                1. yehat
                  yehat 1 February 2018 19: 13
                  0
                  why is he so good?
                  I looked at several analyzes where it was called a sheer mistake.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 5 February 2018 15: 33
                    +3
                    It was universal. We flew from our regiment to bomb the ice under bridges in Murmansk (well, or somewhere nearby, long ago), for a photo reconnaissance in the Middle East, for intercepting a Boeing that had flown from Leningrad to the wrong place. And when there were many of them (and there were many of them), they performed the task in any way. Even landing on the pack ice of the famous ocean.
              2. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 2 February 2018 15: 41
                +1
                Quote: yehat
                uh it was about su-17m3 or su-20. made a mistake in the index
                su-19 by the way - NATO designation of the first versions of su-24.

                Ahhh ... Now it’s clear - you are in NATO so used to communicate with each other: Su-19, Su-19, and here out of habit got out ... laughing
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 3 February 2018 18: 51
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      The main thing is that the effect is visible, and whose aviation is the little things.

      The huge Turkish convoy, after aerial and artillery attacks, LOSING SEVERAL UNITS OF EQUIPMENT, turned back. And what do you call success?
      No, I agree that “turned back” is certainly a success. But a few pieces of equipment from the "huge column" is, sorry - shame. And for the pilots, no matter who they are, and for the gunners.
  3. Lesorub
    Lesorub 1 February 2018 08: 11
    +9
    If art and air strikes had really been dealt to the Turks, then at least half the column would have returned (and several pieces of equipment were damaged in the article)))
    1. andj61
      andj61 1 February 2018 08: 50
      10
      Quote: Lesorub
      If art and air strikes had really been dealt to the Turks, then at least half the column would have returned (and several pieces of equipment were damaged in the article)))

      So in the article the probabilistic nature of the events described is noted, and even with links to the local press.
      According to local sources, after the fire from the Turkish convoy and the Tahrir ash-Sham terrorist formations, tactical aviation appeared in the airspace, which was used by escorts and terrorists in the ICARDA area (along the Damascus-Aleppo highway). Ace; it was also supported by Syrian barreled artillery. It’s not known exactly whose aviation was working on the Turkish convoy and the “en-Nusra” (Russian AFS or Syrian air force), but the effect was visible after a few hours. The convoy, consisting almost of 5 units, immediately began to return in the direction of Kanir, and later completely headed back to Hatay. During the retaliatory strikes of the Syrian artillery and air force, several pieces of equipment were destroyed and damaged.

      What is a Convoy of Almost 100 Units? Out of 100 people? Then this is a dozen pieces of equipment and its art from closed positions and aviation is not even easy to find. If there are hundreds of pieces of equipment — then this is already a reinforced battalion or even more, and the convoy will stretch for several kilometers — when moving it, the art is not very effective, and with an airstrike, more than one or two cars are required. Yes, and it is unlikely that the Turks involved a large number of personnel and equipment - then there would have been much more noise about this. Most likely, there was only a blow on both sides, and in such a way as not to provoke an escalation of the conflict.
      In Syria, and the government army, under the cover of the militants' offensive, seizes settlements, and the same Turks with a "free" army do the same. And these butts will continue for a very long time. hi
      1. stan200000
        stan200000 1 February 2018 14: 38
        +7
        Not "... the government army, under the cover of the militants' offensive, seizes settlements ...", but the Government army restores the territorial integrity of the state. There is no difference for official Syria: that there are terrorists, that the Turks are countless.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 1 February 2018 17: 15
        +4
        "If out of hundreds of pieces of equipment, then this is already a reinforced battalion ..."
        Yeah, reinforced by a couple more battalions laughing
    2. Drovosek
      Drovosek 1 February 2018 09: 23
      +4
      Quote: Lesorub
      If art and air strikes had really been dealt to the Turks, then at least half the column would have returned (and several pieces of equipment were damaged in the article)))

      That's right, the Syrians probably scared - showed that it will be worse!
  4. Loess
    Loess 1 February 2018 08: 29
    11
    Interesting information. Surprised by the fact that the Syrians decided to strike at the Turks. Apparently the Turks wanted too much and got their hands on it. Strange things are happening there now.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 1 February 2018 14: 47
      +6
      Quote: Less
      Surprised by the fact that the Syrians decided to strike at the Turks.

      I understand that the Syrians were beating, as it were, in a nutshell - they, like, they could not even imagine in a dream that there could be Turks! Such an officialdom. The Turks, too, do not face shouting at the whole World that they were there jaunting ...
  5. Whitesnow
    Whitesnow 1 February 2018 10: 27
    +6
    A HUGE military convoy of the Turkish army, which included KIRPI (4x4) armored vehicles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles with more than a hundred infantrymen.
    You can not read further.
  6. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 1 February 2018 10: 41
    +5
    Yes, no one really knows who will beat and by whom. A province where everyone fights with everyone. If the Air Force and the barrel artillery "worked out" for the convoy, then he would have been inevitably destroyed. Some inarticulate stories of "overwork" with links to obscure sources.
  7. iouris
    iouris 1 February 2018 11: 14
    +5
    Quote: “Convoy consisting of almost 100 units ...” End of quote.
    Is this a description of a computer game?
  8. FLOOD
    FLOOD 1 February 2018 13: 35
    +2
    Again Damantsev rams confused laughing
  9. 981698
    981698 1 February 2018 14: 14
    0
    Turks, Azerbaijanis are little men! Always wait: "knife in the back."
    1. Farid Alekperov
      Farid Alekperov 1 February 2018 19: 12
      +6
      Domestic war was won due to Azerbaijani oil, hundreds of thousands were called up and died, and Russian orphans and wounded were treated in Baku hospitals, you are not grateful rubbish!
      1. Abel
        Abel 1 February 2018 19: 30
        0
        Farid, don't be nervous. Not everyone thinks so
      2. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 1 February 2018 20: 08
        +3
        FARID Well, now half of your people have sweetly stuck to our markets and live happily with us. Who is ungrateful here. . if you live with us with your head and heart in Turkey?
        1. Farid Alekperov
          Farid Alekperov 2 February 2018 10: 59
          +1
          in fact, it is the destiny of all collapsed empires to take people from former colonies into its territory. The French are forced to accept Algerians with Moroccans, the British Pakistanis with Indians, etc. And for a minute, we did not invite Russia to our territory, unlike the Georgians, Russia's conquest of the Caucasus led to the resettlement of Turkish and Iranian Armenians in the territory of Karabakh and to a future war between us. So, for the war in Karabakh, a significant proportion of the responsibility lies with the Russian Empire. And finally, working in the markets requires a lot of work, from 6 a.m. to 9-10 p.m. you don’t beg, don’t get humanitarian aid and allowances, but they earn their own bread.
          1. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 2 February 2018 19: 23
            +1
            Quote: Farid Alekperov
            in fact, it is the destiny of all collapsed empires to take people from former colonies into its territory.

            Farid, where are you reading this? Who did you pour such terry cockroaches into your head? After all, you sincerely believe that the RSFSR was the center of the empire, and the national republics, and the Azerbaijan SSR in particular, were colonies ?! But where is it seen that the colonies live better than the center of the empire ?! Well, you made me laugh, by God ... In the Soviet years, I traveled a lot around the country. It was many times everywhere except Armenia, unfortunately. Everywhere supply was better than in the RSFSR. And people lived better, freer. I went to the Azerbaijani “colony” very many, many times. Oh, how I liked traveling to Baku and looking at the happy faces of the "conquered"! drinks Farid, do not communicate with those who tell you this nonsense about the colonies and occupation. They lie to you.
      3. Cheldon
        Cheldon 1 February 2018 23: 38
        0
        Quote: Farid Alekperov
        Domestic war was won due to Azerbaijani oil, hundreds of thousands were called up and died, and Russian orphans and wounded were treated in Baku hospitals, you are not grateful rubbish!

        Yes, you’re right, Taganrog was liberating the division formed in Azerbaijan in March 1942. On August 27, 1943, the 416th division broke through the enemy’s defenses at the front of 20 km and created the conditions for the advancement of the main forces. During the day, they liberated the settlements of Bogachevka, Wet, Vasilevka, Petropavlovka reached the Gulf of Miuss, thereby completing the encirclement of the Taganrog group of the enemy.At 5:416 in the morning, the 90th division, consisting of 6% Azerbaijanis, with the support of the 416th Guards Tank Brigade, entered Taganrog and cleared the city of Germans from the street outside. The 1th division was given the name “Taganrog.” [XNUMX] In Moscow, fireworks were fired on this occasion.

        On September 7, 1943, in the battles in the Mariupol direction, Azerbaijanis destroyed more than 5 Wehrmacht soldiers.
        Having received a replenishment of 1500 fighters from Azerbaijan, the division knocked out the Germans from Melitopol and defeated 111 and 336 Wehrmacht divisions.
        The division included 11 Azerbaijanis, 050 Russians, 291 Armenians, 225 Georgians, 110 Ukrainians, 99 Tartars, 72 Jews, 28 Belarusians and other nationalities. The division was armed with 23 rifles, 5156 assault rifles, 1022 light machine guns, 167 easel machine guns, 50 anti-tank rifles, 217 guns, 308 mortars, 181 cars. (Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/65-я_ст
        relic_division_ (2nd formation)
      4. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 2 February 2018 19: 09
        +1
        Quote: Farid Alekperov
        Domestic war was won due to Azerbaijani oil, hundreds of thousands were called up and died, and Russian orphans and wounded were treated in Baku hospitals, you are not grateful rubbish!

        A visitor with a non-Russian name "981698" is not at all a representative of the Russians, no one handed him any authority. He may not even be a citizen of Russia. It may even be physically located not in Russia, but somewhere in Canada.
        And we, Russians, for the most part, like this "981698", do not think. We remember General Aslanov, the Tank Hero. We remember very well that in those difficult years of testing we were together. And you remember, and do not give in to the provocation of ub people. You're a man, not a match.
      5. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 3 February 2018 19: 22
        0
        [quote = Farid Alekperov] Domestic war was won due to Azerbaijani oil,! [/ quote
        Farid, do not be lazy, ask for Google - oil production in the republics of the USSR. And you will see that not only Azerbaijani oil worked for the VICTORY.
        But if you look at what made VICTORY through your eyes, I can safely say that without Russian aviation, tank, artillery factories, munition factories, etc., etc., etc. VICTORY would not be possible, from the word at all. Even if Azerbaijan flooded the entire USSR with oil a meter layer
  10. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 1 February 2018 15: 23
    +2
    With you is the rubric of “Speculation” and its permanent author. Meet me!
  11. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 1 February 2018 15: 57
    +2
    About times, about morals .... I remember the Israeli-Egyptian conflict around 1972-73. We supplied Egypt with military equipment through the Black Sea post-offices, took some part in this ... But !!! Then, in the competent headquarters (and in our compound), tank, air, missile attacks (battles) were analyzed. Like now, by the way. But then the press was like: in the Egyptian-Israeli conflict happened ..... that's it ... and that's it !!! And now, "analysts" and "strategists" will write such sofas, the Internet, however ... Dear VO forum users, let us leave comments to specialists who can say something specific for general accessibility, without going beyond the regime ... so to speak
  12. Wild ferret
    Wild ferret 1 February 2018 16: 19
    +4
    It seemed to me that Turkey was given the "go-ahead" in order to weaken or even destroy the formation of the Kurds as much as possible. After all, nobody needs their independence, except for the States. Or did the Turks decide to “grab a bite” a little more than they were allowed to?
    1. Abel
      Abel 1 February 2018 19: 32
      +1
      The USA does not need this either, they need a war. Kurds need to be given autonomy, statehood is impossible today, too many interested parties, which is fraught
      1. Wild ferret
        Wild ferret 11 February 2018 22: 51
        0
        This is what worries, the multiplicity of interested. This threatens to fail to find a compromise. In general, there should be exactly two parties concerned - Syria and Turkey. Syria needs integrity, and Turkey needs to solve the "Kurdish problem", but of course, this is not so at all.
  13. Doliva63
    Doliva63 1 February 2018 17: 20
    +5
    It is surprising that the Turkish Kurds are not active, and yet, it would seem, this is beneficial to everyone. Well, besides Erdogan, I see.
  14. Abel
    Abel 1 February 2018 19: 25
    +1
    a high-level opposition negotiating group HNC (“High Negotations Committee”), as well as representatives of the SNC (“Syrian National Council”), who are actively collaborating with the FSA and other anti-government armed groups, decided to refuse to participate in the congress, calling it “regime-mode” negotiations , while another group of anti-Assad delegates from Turkey boycotted the meeting immediately after arriving in Sochi, arguing their decision with “hated flags” on the Congress logo
    If they don’t want to talk, it means they have to beat. Dead do not need disputes
  15. faiver
    faiver 1 February 2018 20: 36
    +1
    somehow everything is unclear ...
  16. Awaz
    Awaz 1 February 2018 20: 42
    +1
    I, nevertheless, from the very beginning is a little annoying that the Turks can be .... .... against the Kurds. By this they will set themselves up (Erdogashka will be removed after all) and Russia too. Of course, the Turks have more resources and they can drag out time as much as you like, but something I don’t like all this more and more
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    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 1 February 2018 22: 18
      +1
      Quote: Buka001
      discuss the US enemy of Russia and not Turkey’s ally in the end.

      belay wassat laughing good This is an extravaganza. The evening is done. laughing
  18. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 00
    0
    It is not known exactly whose aircraft operated according to the Turkish convoy and al-Nusra (Russian Air Force or Syrian Air Force) but the effect was visible after a few hours. The convoy, consisting of almost 100 units, instantly began returning to the side of Kanatir, and later completely headed back to Hatay. During retaliatory strikes by the Syrian artillery and the Air Force, several pieces of equipment were destroyed and damaged.
    Listen, of course it’s a sin to write in this situation, but I feel like a commander. As if in a real-time strategy, something is old than crafting or a warhammer.
  19. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 11
    +1
    The countermeasures of the Syrian government forces implemented against the Turkish convoy and the accompanying Tahrir al-Sham 29 militants of January will have a sobering effect on the military leadership of Turkey, which will begin to more thoroughly analyze the possible consequences before boldly overstepping all limits permitted under international agreements on de-escalation into the SAR for its own territorial advantage.

    Watering and annihilating-ALL READS IN SYRIA: terrorists, "moderate opposition", US Americans, Turks and other trash in Syria to the legitimate and legitimate government and the president of Syria, elected by his people as the Syrians-Bashar al-Assad. If they don’t clean up, disarm and lay down their arms and don’t go to farmers or don’t clean up at all (foreign invaders and aggressors, if they don’t get out of Syria) and its legitimate legitimate government forces and the Syrian government’s army, Bashar al-Assad, that’s right , the right decision.
    And Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, will help. When the Syrians will not be able to do it. And this should be done precisely by the legitimate legitimate president of Syria, elected by his people as the Syrians-Bashar Assad. And the government army and government troops of Syria-Bashar al-Assad.
    But Russia is Orthodox Russia, Russian Orthodox, it’s time to understand, for good these creatures do not understand. This applies, not only to Syria. They wanted the boot of the soldier’s Russian Orthodox Christian.
  20. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 22
    0
    Quote: Pax tecum
    Who are the "units"? Is there an analogue of the name in Russian?
    The feeling that the term is taken from computer games. Or is it fashionable now, to replace military terms with analogues in English?

    Wikipedia:
    One of the values:
    Unit - a game unit (character) in computer strategic games.
    Play real-time strategy-star craft, warhammer 40 000 and others. Set up a base, rivet units of soldiers, seize a resource. Put military bases and factories - increase and complicate units - an army, cars - and everything - you can seize resources, points. Build bases, control territory, destroy enemies.
    He set the base, riveted soldier-units, destroyed the enemies, went on.
    Now take off your pink glasses and look at the USA. Doesn’t look like anything ????
    And in my opinion, the US, the aggressor and the occupier and the parasites, behave just like that. They seize countries, turn them into their colonies, build their military bases there, rivet units. They turn the population into slaves and cannon fodder or destroy the rebellious. And drain resources. And move on. No?
    Play. It helps to think for the enemy and his actions and to see their weaknesses. That helps in defense and counterattack and ultimately the destruction of the attacking aggressor of the parasite occupier.
  21. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 36
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    Quote: stan200000
    Not "... the government army, under the cover of the militants' offensive, seizes settlements ...", but the Government army restores the territorial integrity of the state. There is no difference for official Syria: that there are terrorists, that the Turks are countless.

    I agree with you.
  22. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 39
    +1
    Quote: Sergeant71
    Yes, no one really knows who will beat and by whom. A province where everyone fights with everyone. If the Air Force and the barrel artillery "worked out" for the convoy, then he would have been inevitably destroyed. Some inarticulate stories of "overwork" with links to obscure sources.

    Everything is clear there. For this, there are official sources, namely, the official and legitimate government of Syria, the Syrian people elected by their Syrian people, the legitimate legitimate president of Syria, Bashar Assad, and his legitimate government legitimate army and troops.
    Everything is clear and understandable there.
  23. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 43
    +1
    Quote: Abel
    The USA does not need this either, they need a war. Kurds need to be given autonomy, statehood is impossible today, too many interested parties, which is fraught

    To hell with them and not autonomy. Hence the collapse of the country. They want to be in Syria, they should be like everyone else, with equal rights and equal responsibilities. AND POINT! And no, destroy and fuck them. And all the rest: terrorists, Americans, Turks and moderate opposition.
  24. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 2 February 2018 00: 47
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    Quote: Wild Ferret
    It seemed to me that Turkey was given the "go-ahead" in order to weaken or even destroy the formation of the Kurds as much as possible. After all, nobody needs their independence, except for the States. Or did the Turks decide to “grab a bite” a little more than they were allowed to?

    The Turks were NOT ALLOWED TO SEE ANYTHING FROM SYRIA! Zvezdyuley perhaps. They arrived, they destroyed the terrorists, thanks, goodbye, you can return to Turkey. Do not delay.
    1. Wild ferret
      Wild ferret 3 February 2018 11: 47
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      Well, not terrorists, but Kurds, for the Turks this is a terrible headache, I mean this and nothing more. And if you believe the words of Erdzhep, he took such a position. The only strange thing is that the CA, for example, did not offer a joint operation.
  25. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 2 February 2018 07: 39
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    It’s more like a showdown, not a war, no strategy or tactics, it’s purely who the first one to spit on the horse.
  26. JOHN SILVER_2
    JOHN SILVER_2 2 February 2018 16: 32
    +1
    CONVOY - Armed detachment accompanying someone to guard or prevent the escape. And this word is the main thing in understanding what happened.
    100 units wrote so as not to write 100 trucks with weapons and ammunition, arrived unloaded and left. But the fact that the Turks unimpededly completed the task was transferred directly to our "victory")) laughter and only
  27. vandarus
    vandarus 7 February 2018 10: 01
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    A response to the Chinese warning has been received. The enemy shot down our attack aircraft.
    We continue to warn.