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The country needs a president. Part two. Selection

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First about the comments to the first part, and not only. It is bad when both the culture of the dispute and the arguments of the opposite side are absent and it begins! ..


A person is scornfully denounced not because of his cases, but, for example, mangling the surname of a presidential candidate: Syskin. Well, who else, except for a real liberal, is capable of such rudeness?

As an argument, it is stated (without arguments) that the author is lying, that he is not the one for whom he claims to be. In my case, someone declares that he sees that I am not an engineer, and that's it! And mom and dad were not taught to doubt a person only after a valid reason to doubt?

And the crown argument, the apotheosis of liberalism: to say that someone did not work for that reason and therefore has no right to talk about his work. In my case: if I was not the president, then I can not talk about it. Even gosdepovskaya Jane Psaki before this is not thought out.

Many commentators of “VO” have repeatedly called for ceasing to be marked by high-speed and empty comments like “It's been a long time!” It seems that the time has come to appeal to the intellect and decency of the participants.

You know, I remember with nostalgia Alexander Romanov, who had been absent from the VO for a long time, my opponent in relation to the authorities. In most of his comments, both intellect and compliance with the topic of the dispute were felt. Many supporters of the government need to learn from Romanov. I advise many of you to do the following: write a draft comment, read it and relate it with the topic of the comment and with the norms of behavior.

And now about the choice of president

I was taught a lot, including the basics of managing complex processes. They were taught on-the-job and on-the-job courses, taught by older comrades, taught by subordinates (I tried not to act according to the modern method “I am the boss, you are a fool”, and the workers were not afraid to talk about my mistakes and advise me) and self-criticism. (A little to the side: in the USSR, the science of management was very developed, another thing is that it was not very interested in the authorities, moreover, because of it many celestials had to be driven from heaven).

So, first of all, to choose a manager of a large team, up to the largest, should be based on its formation. The law firm must be managed by a lawyer, a manager is suitable for the trade department, and the state needs an engineer or an economist, or an agrarian, or a graduate of a military military educational institution. Those. the one who was taught to WORK WITH PEOPLE and material means. Yes, America can afford to put in the White House at least an actor, even a monkey, in America not always public people rule. But if we put humanists in a high chair, then it is quite possible that they will slip in as assistants for someone who needs them, but not for the cause. Yes, and he himself can choose to subordinate those with whom it is easier, from whom you will not hear critics. Go over our ministers, with rare exception it becomes scary from their education, experience, habits of irresponsibility.

Secondly, a positive experience with people is needed at the level of the production team / platoon and at the site / company level. Here comes the skill to understand people and passes a children's disease to use at least something, but its own, even if it is unnecessary, or to harm. Here they directly come into contact with the performers and see how the result is given. Next you need effective leadership / command of the production unit / military unit. In this case, the leader / commander is able to work with subcontractors, as well as in various fields of activity.

And the third is the material and moral satisfaction of subordinates, starting from direct workers / soldiers.

Two responded to these criteria: Pavel Nikolaevich Grudinin and Vladimir Viktorovich Mikhailov. True, Mikhailov did not have time to type signatures. But Grudinina will be watered with all the buckets. What do you think? Our media is no weaker than the Western in the ability to spit. For example, in the West, people are confident that Russia hit a Boeing in the 2014 year in Ukraine. There is no evidence, but there is confidence: the media have tried!

There are other criteria, including readiness to respond to unfulfilled promises and the inexpediency of a long stay in one management position, but the above are basic ones to choose from. But eloquence and eloquence are optional.

Stalin had an interesting situation. He did not fit into the leaders of the country neither by education nor by experience. And still the royal technical experts and officials, to put it mildly, in the majority disapproved of the Soviet power (see my note “Liberalism as a refuge of the present intellectual»From 28 in October 2017 under the heading« Opinion »). Stalin even had mediocre leaders, the cat wept, and he had no one to choose from. But he did not slip into the role of a temporary dictator, did not begin to acquire palaces and nominate appointees according to the criterion of personal loyalty. He was able to grow a real elite who plowed with him, and whose children, after school, sat not in the chairs of the directors of concerns, but in the cockpits of fighters. He asked from the elite, and she tried to please him and the country in the only possible way - excellent work. From any point of view, Stalin committed heroic deeds for thirty years.

In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.
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  1. krops777
    krops777 2 February 2018 05: 47
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    Reflections of a pensioner-agitator about a bright communist future to which the billionaire Grudinin will lead us. wink
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 February 2018 05: 59
      39
      I am not tired of asking the question: what billions are we talking about?
      1. krops777
        krops777 2 February 2018 06: 39
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        I am not tired of asking the question: what billions are we talking about?


        Well, as if he himself does not hesitate to talk about it, and secondly, how do you think how much the land in the Moscow Region is worth? which, by means of tricky combinations with shares of its owners, he took possession of, here they laid out not long ago about his foreign assets, not at all childish figures, look for articles on VO.
        1. My address
          2 February 2018 09: 39
          38
          Alexey! I will answer you and other opponents Grudinina.
          Four hours passed from the publication of the note. Your most awesome comments: "Author to the wall" (Heather) and "Arguments zero" (Golovan Jack). Citizens, did you read the note? Ah, time (or something in the little head) was not enough? Where is the rebuttal of the selection criteria? And a joke to heathers and golovans:
          - Seryoga, and what is the difference between a sincere liberal and a cow chewing gum?
          - And the fact, Vitek, that the cow has good eyes
          1. dSK
            dSK 2 February 2018 09: 49
            +5
            Hello, Alexander!
            Quote: My address
            rebuttal

            Vladimir Volfovich in the last Duma elections he outstripped Sergei Mikhailovich Mironov, caught up with the Communist Party and set his fighters to become second party of Russia and maybe he will achieve this. Implementation "communism" in its pure form is unreal "as you drown, so you rush"all her attempts failed. Mironov and Zyuganov did not run this time. Vladimir Volfovich exposes his candidacy for the sixth time as president, he has vast experience and can easily get around newbie Grudinin. For the Communist Party, this will be a serious loss of authority. The remaining candidates all together are unlikely to gain 10%.
            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 2 February 2018 15: 41
              +2
              Dsk, and you are right in many respects: Vladimir Volfovich is a charismatic and strong-willed person, which means a lot. I have not been a fan of "Papa Zyu" a long time ago, but he has charisma and a political scent, and Grudinin, where does charisma come from, a scent
              If only Vladimir Volfovich furnishes Grudinin-it will hurt the prestige of the Communist Party.
          2. andj61
            andj61 2 February 2018 10: 00
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            You know, I remember with nostalgia Alexander Romanov, who had been absent from the VO for a long time, my opponent in relation to the authorities. In most of his comments, both intellect and compliance with the topic of the dispute were felt. Many supporters of the government need to learn from Romanov. I advise many of you to do the following: write a draft comment, read it and relate it with the topic of the comment and with the norms of behavior.

            You know, Alexander, I’d like to discuss about this statement. I myself miss the presence of Romanov on the site — and I was the first to respond to the topics, and humorous — acutely both for the spite of the day, and I treated the authorities directly with youthful nihilism. And we argued with him often not childishly! laughing But here is the fact that he often piled a cow in the bathhouse in the heat of discussion, and only to present his position in the best light - and this should not be taken away from him. We are all not perfect - alas! yes But he was an excellent moderator - in this regard he can only be compared with Apollo, however, Romanov as a moderator was more harsh, but also fair. The current moderators should learn from them! And at first they trampled him from the moderators, and then, apparently, they also survived from the site ... Like many.
            But you specifically for Grudinin’s support from Romanov would have gotten in the harshest form and unflattering epithets - I’m just sure of that. hi
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 2 February 2018 11: 47
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            Quote: My address
            Four hours have passed since the publication of the note. Your coolest comments are: “The author of the wall” (Heather) and “Arguments zero” (Golovan Jack). Citizens, have you read the note? Ah, there wasn’t enough time (or what’s in the head)? Where is the refutation of the selection criteria?

            I read the article, I started reading comments, I got to this and I answer: as in a movie Stirlitz knew that the last sentence is remembered. We look at the last phrase of the article: "In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina. “You can pour as much water as you like about the criteria for choosing a leader, methods, methods, but the last sentence solves everything for ..... (Name, Surname, patronymic, in accordance with the preferences of the reader who comments). I, as a senior citizen with experience, 20 years of shoulder straps, with the privilege of 30 years of service, as the head of the operational unit in the past, I am for stopping this election, to put it mildly, on the pages of VO because it does not bring anything apart from srach. 2008,2012 years. Nothing has changed and the arguments and de the people are the same. And if you still do not understand that the replay of the song “Cinema” is Change, we want changes — there will be no more, I advise you to disconnect from Internet battles for two or three weeks and take a walk along the streets of your native cities, chat with people.
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 2 February 2018 12: 06
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              Well, who else, besides a true liberal, is capable of such rudeness?


              Rudeness in the answers, really a lot.
              But to impose on everyone their odes about a person with dubious baggage and far from the country's problems, and besides that does not have a political vision (the state farm does not count), is silly.

              As an illustration to your "ode" that the country needs a president. And then we ourselves do not know.


              In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.


              When you read such panegyrics, then the imagination is approximately the following picture:
              The birds started singing

              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 2 February 2018 15: 46
                +2
                Alena, thank you for the picture '- cool
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 2 February 2018 15: 14
          17
          Quote: krops777
          Well, as if he himself does not hesitate to talk about it, and secondly, how do you think how much the land in the Moscow Region is worth? which, by means of tricky combinations with shares of its owners, he took possession of, here they laid out not long ago about his foreign assets, not at all childish figures, look for articles on VO.

          All this bullshit litter-TV has long been refuted and flushed down the toilet.
          Before you write, at least you listened to Grudinin himself.
          Here is a selection for you, enlighten.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 2 February 2018 16: 09
            +7
            Quote: Stroporez
            All this bullshit litter-TV has long been refuted and flushed down the toilet.

            Do you work, do you agitate for Grudinin? You’ve probably already erased the clave before the holes in four hands, so what kind of nonsense were you talking about?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 30
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              Quote: You Vlad
              Do you work, do you agitate for Grudinin?

              This is a hobby) His ideology is close to me, and a team of specialists from him was selected worthy.
              Quote: You Vlad
              So what kind of nonsense were you talking about?

              What are you asking me, watch the video, there Grudinin answers all your provocations for himself.
              And the most interesting, when I ask Zaputinians two simple questions, for some reason they have a brain collapse.
              And so:
              1) What did President Putin personally or his presidency do for you, if you like? (Only Krymynyash is not necessary, I ask about personal matters)
              2) What is Putin’s team with which he is going to the polls and who will rule the country if he wins?
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 2 February 2018 17: 13
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                This is a hobby)

                Well work, work I have no mood today hi
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 2 February 2018 17: 19
                  10
                  Quote: You Vlad
                  Well work, work I have no mood today

                  Yesterday they said that Zaputinists had an advance, but today they are all sluggish wassat
                  Have a rest of course! hi
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 2 February 2018 17: 24
                    +2
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Have a rest of course!

                    Thank you hi Only you do not bully.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 2 February 2018 17: 25
                      +5
                      Quote: You Vlad
                      Thank you. Only you do not bully.

                      Plus sign flew from me good hi
              2. KAV
                KAV 2 February 2018 19: 37
                +6
                Quote: Stroporez
                What are you asking me, watch the video, there Grudinin answers all your provocations for himself.

                Such arguments always make me laugh. That is, following your logic, should I unconditionally believe Grudinin and in no case doubt his honesty and frankness? If you do just that, then I am truly sorry for you, and I am very surprised at the fact that you have lived to your age with your credulity.
                Quote: Stroporez
                And so:
                1) What did President Putin personally or his presidency do for you, if you like? (Only Krymynyash is not necessary, I ask about personal matters)
                2) What is Putin’s team with which he is going to the polls and who will rule the country if he wins?

                And so, in order:
                1. For me personally, and for my children, he made our future safer! It is safer from enslavement and extermination by Western "well-wishers", and others like them. You can’t even start a debate with me on this subject. For, I wrote what the GDP did for me personally! For you, perhaps, the liberals promise to do the same.
                2. For what purpose do you ask this question? Do not you know his team, or are you checking for knowledge? Not worth it. I trust his team no less than myself.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 2 February 2018 19: 52
                  +7
                  Quote: KAV
                  It is safer from enslavement and extermination by Western "well-wishers", and others like them.

                  demagoguery. What was there in Leningrad a year ago? And why do you and your family need the Western "well-wishers, what kind of gesheft they can get from you? Funny .." ..
                  Quote: KAV
                  Why do you ask this question? Do not you know his team, or are you checking for knowledge? Not worth it. I trust his team no less than myself.

                  Maladets, trust further, only there is no answer! I say collapse, which is what was required to prove soldier
          2. vitalm
            vitalm 2 February 2018 19: 05
            +1
            He will tell how Grudinin managed to defend state farm lands in the 90s. At that time, there, brothers from the Solntsevskaya and Orekhov groups were operating and there was some sort of director of a state farm. Land near Kashirskoye highway. I do not believe! Someone fed, and someone protected.
        3. Damask
          Damask 3 February 2018 10: 58
          +3
          C'mon Grudinin is a business man, your economists with the HSE are gagging, they all need optimization, they take money out in cars, dozens of people run away from punishment every month, prices are raised every year to adjust the budget using currency speculation, and then you need to change policies authorities, but the same thing
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 11: 05
            +5
            Quote: Damask
            and then it’s necessary to change the policy in power, and then the same thing

            That is - the "bread" is already fed up, attracted to the spectacle? laughing
            1. Damask
              Damask 3 February 2018 16: 02
              +2
              You frighten everyone with spectacles, if it goes wrong it may turn out worse, otherwise all promises, corruption has become the norm, the media is openly printing about the average amount of bribes, the excelled average salary, artists and athletes pass laws, and * economists * lead to poverty for 22 years , damn it, you still don’t understand what to write to you
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 16: 10
                +6
                Quote: Damask
                why do you write something, you still do not understand

                Whoa stop
                Quote: Damask
                All scare spectacles

                I do not scare. I, as the Balts said, "made you a question."
                Quote: Damask
                superior salary

                I, you see, don’t care about the "average." As, however, and yours. I care about mine yes
                I work for mine. If you want, we can change ... if you pull, of course.
                Quote: Damask
                corruption has become the norm

                It was twenty-five years old that it became. Have you been sleeping all this time, and just woke up? Congratulations...
                Sleep further when you need to - they will wake you up.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 2 February 2018 07: 13
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        Quote: Greenwood
        I am not tired of asking the question: what billions are we talking about?

        Well, what about? Which he accumulated abroad for the treatment of relatives.
        I have a couple of questions:
        -HOW MUCH does he have relatives, and how many patients are among them, that such amounts are required;
        Why should they (relatives) be treated abroad? So patriotic?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 08: 05
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          Author: Alexander (My address)
          You know, I recall with nostalgia Alexander Romanov, my opponent with respect to the authorities, who has been absent from VO for a long time. Most of his comments felt both intelligence and relevance to the topic of the dispute. Many supporters of the authorities need to learn from Romanov.
          Unfortunately, your role model is unsuccessful. Romanov and rudeness allowed, and intolerance to the vis-a-vis position, and insults, and stupid comments, and much more, he also had “enlightenment” —I don’t argue, he’s just a man with all weaknesses. We’re all different, there’s no ideal
          .In general, as a senior citizen, as a former worker, as a former leader, as an engineer, I am for Grudinin.
          I also. yes but Romanov, would doused you with a couple of tons of waste IMHO. (and I'm not sure that he is not)
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 2 February 2018 08: 36
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            (and I'm not sure that he is not)

            conspiracy thesis? or do you have any information?
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 08: 42
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              Quote: pjastolov
              conspiracy thesis? or do you have any information?

              “I am tormented by vague doubts”, sometimes, my colleagues talk with familiar rhetoric ... I’m not going to prove anything, I don’t need it, but with Romanov they often “butted”, so there was a certain “handwriting”.
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 2 February 2018 08: 44
                +2
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                but with Romanov, they “butted” often, so there was a certain “handwriting”.

                when he was rinsing me, he rinsed me, but somehow they didn’t come across such
              2. Monarchist
                Monarchist 2 February 2018 15: 53
                +1
                Andrey Yuryevich, and in whom do you suspect Alexander Romanov (he always put his surname with a small letter)? After all, it cannot breed. Why not assume that someone adopted his style, subsections are always there
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 2 February 2018 10: 09
            +8
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Unfortunately, your role model is unsuccessful. Romanov and rudeness allowed, and intolerance to the vis-a-vis position, and insults, and stupid comments, and much more, he also had “enlightenment” —I don’t argue, he’s just a man with all weaknesses. We’re all different, there’s no ideal

            I agree completely, besides, I still liked to drink before knitting in the discussion, which I was not embarrassed about right away and reported in the comments
        2. pjastolov
          pjastolov 2 February 2018 08: 34
          +7
          Quote: BecmepH
          Why should they (relatives) be treated abroad? So patriotic?

          Well now there are no Tsikov’s hospitals - therefore, only abroad, it has always been so
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 2 February 2018 08: 10
      12
      Grudinin billionaire? belay
      Well, it depends which side to look at. lol
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 2 February 2018 08: 51
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        In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.

        Greetings, Alexander! To admit, you surprised me: and praising Romanov and especially Grudinin. I thought you were a more statesman. And to propose voting for Grudinin, knowing that he is an ordinary capitalist oligarch? Not tired of living during breaks? Are you sure that with Grudinin it will become better? Me not! What happened to you? Why did you move so quickly to another camp? You used to be completely and completely for Putin! Yes, it seems that not only times are changing, but also people! Good luck to Alexander in promoting the candidacy of Grudinin! I, unlike you, do not urge you to vote for Putin: I am just sure that he will become president again!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 2 February 2018 11: 46
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          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And to propose voting for Grudinin, knowing that he is an ordinary capitalist oligarch? Not tired of living during breaks?

          That is, the current oligarchic power seems to suit you completely! But the Communists who will come, in the event of the victory of Grudinin - no?
          Why are you the average businessman Grudinin living in a high-rise building, as the simplest people, you call an oligarch? He may be on the Forbes list? Or is it connected with power? You completely missed that the oligarchy is a merging of capital with power, the worst that can happen under capitalism. The director of the state farm cannot be blamed for this, but the current Guarantor is necessary!
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 2 February 2018 14: 17
            +6
            Quote: Stas157
            That is, the current oligarchic power seems to suit you completely!

            Oligarchic power is when oligarchs are in power. Putin removed from the power of the oligarchs!
            Quote: Stas157
            Why are you the average businessman Grudinin living in a high-rise building, as the simplest people, you call an oligarch?

            Yeah, you still call him silver-free! He is the oligarch: there is considerable money, and now he wants to seize power too! Is this not a merger of capital with power?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2018 14: 23
              21
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Putin removed from the power of the oligarchs!

              Aren't the oligarchs making up the current elite? Do you think that the oligarchs are not in the Kremlin? There are no connections whatsoever, are you personally unfamiliar with Putin? And the president’s decisions are not affected in any way? Who the hell is he playing hockey with?
              1. KAV
                KAV 2 February 2018 19: 46
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                That is, the current oligarchic power seems to suit you completely! But the Communists who will come, in the event of the victory of Grudinin - no?

                Lord ... Well, here you are an adult, and believe in fairy tales! Do you seriously believe that when Grudinin’s team came to power and he himself rushed to restore order in the country? Exactly the order that people expect from them ?? I assure you, you are deeply mistaken!
                In addition, do you think that Grudinin is not connected with the Moscow authorities? I will never believe that he, all so independent, holds independently and without the support of the authorities a huge piece of land in the suburbs! Not so much that I still made to believe in these tales!
            2. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 00
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              And who actually removed Putin from power from the oligarchs. By the way, by the way? I’m ready to call you those whom he made oligarchs. Maybe not all. But at least a part. hi
              1. SRC P-15
                SRC P-15 2 February 2018 15: 28
                +2
                Quote: Vladivostok1969
                And who, in fact, from the oligarchs, Putin removed from power.

                Does such a thing as “semibankirism” say nothing to you? It can be found on the Internet by name. And the new oligarchs do not interest me, because they are not in power!
                Sergey, I apologize for being rude in the previous comment on you! The demon has beguiled, I have nothing against you. drinks hi
                1. Vladivostok1969
                  Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 16: 26
                  11
                  I, too, have nothing against you. Forgive me if it is sharp at times. But then
                  Semibankirshchina replaced by the management of the lord. And he seems to have a lot of friends. That's the trouble. And everyone turns out to be brilliant managers. All seven spans in the forehead. Only after their management money in the state becomes less and less. Doctors do not have enough, teachers do not have enough, pensioners do not have enough.
                  And can make all "servants of the sovereign" a salary as a living wage. Maybe there will be free places. What do you think? Populism, what do you think? And many may like it!
                  1. SRC P-15
                    SRC P-15 2 February 2018 17: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    Semibankirshchina replaced by the management of the lord. And as it turns out he has a lot of friends. That's the trouble. And everyone turns out to be brilliant managers.

                    Sergey, but it always happens like this: a new leader comes with his team. So it was under Yeltsin, so it is under Putin, but what can I say, it has always been and not only in our country. And there is money in the country, only corruption nullifies all the efforts of our president to improve the economy. But Putin has increased the gold reserve many times, and this is the same money in the event of force majeure.
                    Quote: Vladivostok1969
                    And can make all "servants of the sovereign" a salary as a living wage. Maybe there will be free places. What do you think? Populism, what do you think? And many may like it!

                    And who increases the salaries of deputies, aren't they themselves? I, too, do not mind reducing the salaries of the "servants of the sovereigns," but unfortunately, they are adopting laws, not us. Yes, we have a lot of honest people, but when they come to power, they abruptly change their attitude towards the people and their beloved. So: "like, dislike, sleep my beauty!" hi
                    1. Vladivostok1969
                      Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 17: 59
                      +5
                      Why do you think we’ll introduce the institute of president’s representatives in the regions, so that nothing would spill past. This is where corruption begins.
                      Khoroshavin (the Sakhalin governor) was fined, they replaced Kozhemyako. And Kirdyk came to the construction industry of Sakhalin. Now it is ALL 40% owned by his family. Do not ask where the infa is. I will not say.
                      1. SRC P-15
                        SRC P-15 2 February 2018 18: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        Why do you think we’ll introduce the institute of president’s representatives in the regions, so that nothing would spill past. This is where corruption begins.

                        You are mistaken: the president’s representative in the regions so that local governors don’t stick to their hands!
                        Quote: Vladivostok1969
                        Khoroshavin (the Sakhalin governor) was fined, they replaced Kozhemyako. And Kirdyk came to the construction industry of Sakhalin. Now it is ALL 40% owned by his family. Do not ask where the infa is. I will not say.

                        Well, if your info is correct, then soon the governor on Sakhalin will change again. yes
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 2 February 2018 14: 52
            +3
            Quote: Stas157
            Why are you the average businessman Grudinin living in a high-rise building, as the simplest people,

            "Commodity expert! As a simple engineer! Overseas warehouse! We are taking a pill on him!" laughing
        2. passing
          passing 2 February 2018 12: 03
          +8
          I, unlike you, do not urge you to vote for Putin: I'm just sure that he will become president again!

          laughing So all Russia has no doubt that Putin will be president! At least go to the polls, at least do not go
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 2 February 2018 12: 15
            +2
            Well, at least Clinton would become sick of Russian ... But it’s not at all interesting. Reminds a situation with the aging, but reliable husband. There is a habit, but no feelings ....
          2. myrzilka
            myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 34
            26
            That's for sure))) The votes will be counted as it should))) And then those present on the site and voting for the GDP will indignantly shout about high gas prices, an impossibly communal apartment, and the disgusting quality of education. But GDP, in this case, will not be to blame. These are all officials damned! The fifth column of government! And GDP has nothing to do with it, it was not he who appointed Medvedev as prime minister. He did not gather around himself the Rottenbergs, Timchenko and his other friends, who (by a strange coincidence) suddenly became monopolists. No - no, it's not him! It just so happened, well, by chance, well, it happens. He is not to blame, they themselves came))))
        3. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 2 February 2018 18: 05
          +3
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          Not tired of living during breaks? Are you sure that with Grudinin it will become better? Me not! What happened to you? Why did you move so quickly to another camp? You used to be completely and completely for Putin! Yes, it seems that not only times are changing, but also people!

          Of course you are right - between the greater evil and the lesser, it is more logical to choose the lesser, which the peoples of Russia themselves will do. No one doubts that Putin will win - the clearing has been cleared so thoroughly that the visible competition for him is either the old man's decommissioned slag, or openly disgusting marginals. So everything is in order. How Putin will act after the elections is an open question, he will have to do something useful for the country and the people, otherwise he will be cursed in his lifetime as a labeled and drunk ebna. Personally, I have no confidence in the current president, to take the rest seriously - not to respect myself. I will write a note on the ballot for the election commission - let them have fun reading aloud to each other. The sinister circus continues.
          1. Alf
            Alf 2 February 2018 20: 51
            +3
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            otherwise he will be cursed in life, as a labeled and drunk ebna.

            And how will it make him feel hot or cold? Gorbach, by the way, absolutely doesn’t care.
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            it’s necessary to do something useful for the country and people,

            With what joy?
    3. robinson
      robinson 2 February 2018 09: 10
      26
      Quote: krops777
      billionaire Grudinin

      Such opinions endlessly smile. Actually, the entrepreneur is the only profession that involves legal enrichment. Blaming the entrepreneur for wealth is like blaming a soldier for murder.
      1. dSK
        dSK 2 February 2018 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: robinson
        businessman only profession which implies legal enrichment.
        angry
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      2. krops777
        krops777 2 February 2018 09: 38
        +2
        Blaming the entrepreneur for wealth is like blaming a soldier for murder.


        Read carefully, the Grudinin-oligarch (I find nothing wrong with this) is trying to build communism. bully
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 2 February 2018 10: 04
          35
          Quote: krops777
          Grudinin oligarch

          How can the head of one enterprise be called an oligarch? The oligarch is the owner of many enterprises and a person who has already melted money into personal political power. The chairman of the farm - the oligarch ??
          People repeating such stupidity are like a choir of blind castrates - they sing only what they know and are not able to look around.
        2. robinson
          robinson 2 February 2018 10: 15
          26
          Quote: krops777
          Grudinin-oligarch (I find nothing shameful in this) is trying to build communism.

          An oligarch is a merging of business with power. In Grudinin, even at the level of the Ministry of Defense, this is not observed. Purely medium-sized business, not even large. And when did he talk about building communism?
          1. KAV
            KAV 2 February 2018 20: 04
            0
            Quote: robinson
            An oligarch is a merging of business with power. In Grudinin, even at the level of Moscow Oblast this is not observed.

            Do not carry nonsense, please. A person who has almost half of the collective farm’s shares on land near Moscow, by definition, cannot be divorced from power. And do not have tales that he is on his own. Would it be on its own - he would never have been nominated as a presidential candidate! Not for the "beautiful eyes" he was put forward by the Communist Party, and not for his allegedly "sincere" desire to make life better with Russia!
        3. andj61
          andj61 2 February 2018 10: 22
          16
          Quote: krops777
          Blaming the entrepreneur for wealth is like blaming a soldier for murder.


          Read carefully, the Grudinin-oligarch (I find nothing wrong with this) is trying to build communism. bully

          Is Grudinin an oligarch? what Stamps are walking around our media!
          At least in the list of 200 richest people in Russia for 2017 it is not. http://www.forbes.ru/rating/342579-200-bogateyshi
          h-biznesmenov-rossii-2017 # all_rating.
          And the oligarch number 200 assets are estimated at $ 500 million.
          So Grudinin is by no means an oligarch, but simply a rich man. By our standards, that is, by the standards of ordinary people - very rich. But not an oligarch hi
          1. myrzilka
            myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 37
            16
            He is an oligarch, an oligarch. But Madame, a deputy of the state. Duma (mind a doctor) with an annual income of 57 million is not an oligarch, she is a doctor))))))
            1. Antianglosax
              Antianglosax 2 February 2018 18: 19
              +8
              Quote: myrzilka
              He is an oligarch, an oligarch.

              Then first you need to decide on the concepts. According to generally accepted terms, he is up to the oligarch, like a hedgehog to the moon.
              And what is the meaning of your definition of an oligarch? Rich man? So he is not included in the first hundred thousand in Russia. The full-blown vyser recalls ... That's exactly the one who Grudinina unsubstantially pours mud is his most active PR man! The people clearly select such punctures and, in accordance with the Russian mentality, concludes that the person is worthy, because pro-government landings of hated power revolted him frantically.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 3 February 2018 14: 52
                +2
                Grudinin is essentially a businessman and the head of a successful enterprise that brings good income. And he never hid it and calmly talks about it at press conferences.
        4. myrzilka
          myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 36
          15
          Who said that Grudinin is trying to build Communism ????? I understand that this is written in the training manual. But you can’t lie so rudely))))
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 2 February 2018 11: 59
        +5
        Quote: robinson
        Blaming the entrepreneur for wealth is like blaming a soldier for murder.

        I already once said in the comments that Grudinin was not rinsed for the fact that he had money, but for the fact that he was being mismanaged. I would say frankly, I’m bourgeois, yes there is money unlike some, and even though there is money, there are no ponds with ducks and palaces and there will be no state expense, because my dough is enough. 100 pounds would have disrupted the stormy prolonged applause, and he began to chew, then there is nothing, then he collected relatives for treatment. I generally wonder how such a mumble became a bourgeois. He must be a shark.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 2 February 2018 13: 06
          +5
          Quote: Captain45
          I generally wonder how we mumble like that

          recourse I also think, but is it not originally Zyuganov’s project since 90’s?
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 2 February 2018 13: 50
            +1
            Quote: Serg65
            I also think, but is it not originally Zyuganov’s project since 90’s?

            Party money what
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 2 February 2018 13: 58
              +5
              Quote: Captain45
              Party money

              laughing Nah, the party’s money before the State Emergency Committee was removed in advance, rather the money of Zyuganov himself, although maybe you’re right .... the Communist Party’s investments?
              1. dvvv
                dvvv 2 February 2018 21: 48
                +5
                and why not a single party except the Communist Party invested so much money ?! Here Zhirik invests in Maybach, she put edroses in musical instruments and walking alone in the ground and raised crops and built at least someone to advertise hospitals, kindergartens and schools!
            2. myrzilka
              myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 19
              +1
              Project "Salt"))))
        2. robinson
          robinson 2 February 2018 13: 58
          +4
          Quote: Captain45
          In general, I wonder how such a mumble became a bourgeois. He must be a shark.

          And you look at the essence, it will be easier. The person who did not merge the state farm almost on the Ring Road, has any big white to strangle himself with envy ...
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 3 February 2018 09: 01
            +1
            Quote: robinson
            The person who did not merge the state farm almost on the Ring Road, has any big white to strangle himself with envy ...

            Just don’t need me to tell these tales about independence. From the 88 of the year until the retirement, including how the property was shared in the 90, and who at the same time and under what conditions remained the owner, I have a complete idea, at least by example of the region where I have worked and still live. Sometimes it’s interesting to meet people from, as Panikovsky said, “early time”.
        3. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 10
          +4
          Quote: Captain45
          I would say directly, yes I’m bourgeois, yes there is money, unlike some, and even though there is money

          And last year he said that he had a “good” salary and that he was not a poor person. Watch the interview carefully.
      4. myrzilka
        myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 11
        12
        It is in the world. We have a normal entrepreneur, one who works, and does not throw people. This is an individual tortured by checks. Inspection of regulatory authorities always involves a fine. Even if you are all hurt and everything is as it should in accordance with numerous regulations and directions. They will come and solder a fine. Because they have, from above, a plan for collecting taxes. And you will still pay.
        And it does not surprise me anymore that working as an official is the most profitable business under the current government. In a foreign country hold on to the state. work is not due to great incomes. They hold out because of social guarantees that (sometimes) private business cannot give. Hold on to the stability of such a job.
        I have a house in Bulgaria and had to deal with local officials. Everything is clear there, if they called the deadline for the issuance of documents, it means that they will clearly give it in that time. And they don’t have to poke it. Bribe and traffic police do not take. They have no term - decide on the spot. There is a term - a fine, and horse fines))))) it is better not to fall.
        And here is another point. The house was bought in 2012, the machine to the house for ease of movement. In 2012, gasoline 95 cost 2 leva (1 lev = 50 euro cents), in 2017 gasoline 95 costs 2 leva. And now the question for connoisseurs is how much gasoline cost in 2012 and how much it costs now ??? Hey !, fans of the current economic bloc, answer a direct question. Why in Bulgaria, with killed industry and not having its own oil industry, gas prices have not changed for six years. And why did we, seated at the well, double it?
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 49
          +3
          The price of gasoline in Bulgaria at the moment is 1.04 euros.
          The price of gasoline in Russia at the moment is 0.6 euros
          Hey! Fighters with the "regime"! How's the math?
          1. dauria
            dauria 2 February 2018 19: 54
            +1
            not too lazy, checked ... Bulgaria -1.10, Russia-0.6 on mid January 2018
            2012 Russia 29 rubles (40 rubles = 1 euro) = 0.72

            such math. True, the euro is now 70 rubles. But the salary didn’t grow so fast by the 12th year (from 24t to 31t)
            Yes, if we pay a "horse" fine (as a friend writes) - you can not give it to the "paw". We have a choice, but in Bulgaria? wassat
            According to the article - I won’t go for Grudinin. I will go for Ksyusha only with the condition of her striptease at the polling station. It’s unlikely that I’ll stay at home.
            1. dvvv
              dvvv 2 February 2018 21: 51
              +2
              It would be better to go to the stable of mares to watch, otherwise, if suddenly Ksyushad will undress ...
          2. myrzilka
            myrzilka 3 February 2018 13: 43
            +2
            Well, right, the price is 2 leva. And in Russia 0.6 euros. Only in Bulgaria, this price has not changed for 6 years !!! (maybe more, bought a house in 2012. I can’t speak for before). And here it changes, upward every year))))) Is this mathematics clear to you ???))))) That's where stability is, 1 euro = 6 years, this is in Bulgaria. Russia, 2012, 95 = 29 rubles - 2018 = 41 rubles. Gasoline went up by almost 80%. What can you say ?????
            And I know what the defenders of the current economic course will say. Chubais said that fuel prices do not reach world levels. Wait, in two years the price will be like in Bulgaria = 1 euro. If everything remains as before.
    4. avt
      avt 2 February 2018 10: 08
      10
      Quote: krops777
      Reflections of a pensioner-agitator about a bright communist future to which the billionaire Grudinin will lead us.

      Yeah which type
      But Grudinin will be watered from all buckets.
      , although he himself pissed off the sale of land shares with his son, stupidly sloppy not filling out the paper, before submitting to the CEC. They hinted at what ... and let them go further, you don’t have to worry - he understood perfectly and if anything, God forbid, he will certainly merge like his current self-imposed Den Xiao Ping-Zu Gan Ping. bully
      In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.
      request You have every right, as well as drowning, to agitate for the object of adoration until the day of silence. Tailwind in the back bully Only to me, until I am a retiree, it all reminds me very much of how the EBN in a trolleybus in Moscow cut through, I can see the crowd, including pensioners, chanting in ecstasy - ,, Boris! Fight! "And other campaigns about ,, nomenclature privileges" bully Then, well, if you don’t whine about ,, And we don’t know-ah-ah-li "
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 2 February 2018 12: 02
        +5
        Quote: avt
        Until me, until I am a retiree, it all reminds me very much of how the EBN cut through Moscow in a trolleybus, I can see the crowd, including pensioners, chanting in ecstasy - ,, Boris! Fight! "And other agitation about ,, nomenclature privileges" bully Then, well, if you don’t whine about ,, And we don’t know-ah-ah-li "

        good hi 6 points, as in figure skating.
      2. myrzilka
        myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 17
        13
        And the GDP is fighting corruption)))) Flies on airplanes, walks on submarines, scratches tigers with puziko, and plunges into the bathyscaphe. Forgot, still dissecting in the yellow Lada - "Kalina". Well, my own guy is just)))
      3. New
        New 2 February 2018 18: 21
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Then, well, if you don’t whine about ,, And we don’t know-ah-ah-li "
        All that you know, who will you be with us: Wangoy, Nostradamus or Napoleon?
        Grudinin has authority: 20 years of successful work for the common good, for the people. Grudinin created an enterprise that Putin’s officials tried to destroy, crush with taxes, nothing worked. The state farm of Grudinin did not receive a penny from the state, nor a penny took loans. Not thanks, but contrary to Putin and the company of his friends in the Russian Federation, the economy has been holding on for 17 years, there are such flourishing enterprises as the state farm Grudinin. One can only imagine what the Russian Federation would be like if Grudinin headed it in 2000. And I would not have trusted the collective farm to Putin either - it would ruin and sell everything, but leave people poor.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 February 2018 23: 38
          +1
          What taxes did they want to crush his state farm? - Maybe enough to fantasize.
    5. passing
      passing 2 February 2018 11: 58
      13
      Quote: krops777
      Reflections of a pensioner-agitator about a bright communist future to which the billionaire Grudinin will lead us. wink

      I wonder what capitalist future leads us poor Putin?
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 2 February 2018 12: 12
        +2
        most of our people VERY want to be the same "beggars" ... alas ... they will NEVER ...
      2. yehat
        yehat 2 February 2018 14: 13
        13
        beggar Putin wears a watch on his hand, for the purchase of which I need to work for 2-3 years with a salary noticeably higher than the "average".
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 51
          +1
          Every wrestler understands - Grudinin will make it so that everyone will have such a watch, and everyone will have such a salary that you can immediately buy a new ferrari.
      3. myrzilka
        myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 39
        +8
        A new joke))))) Putin is a beggar. Medvedev, in general, is begging for transitions))))))))
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 30
        12
        Quote: passing
        I wonder what capitalist future leads us poor Putin?


        he has not decided yet
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 35
          +4
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: passing
          I wonder what capitalist future leads us poor Putin?


          he has not decided yet

          Dear Overlock, you burn again not childishly good laughing drinks
        2. passing
          passing 2 February 2018 17: 32
          +6
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: passing
          I wonder what capitalist future leads us poor Putin?


          he has not decided yet


          He holds on to this post. If they are expelled from work, they will no longer be allowed into a decent society. laughing
          1. myrzilka
            myrzilka 3 February 2018 13: 50
            +2
            Yeah, friends turn away)))))
    6. iouris
      iouris 3 February 2018 12: 16
      +1
      We already have communism, though (for now) not for everyone - everyone will not survive.
      A communist Grudinin would be sentenced for extremism. Grudinin is a billionaire.
      1. myrzilka
        myrzilka 3 February 2018 13: 53
        +2
        This is some kind of super logic)))))) I have a father, still a communist)))))) But at the same time he worked in a leadership position in the joint venture with the Germans, already from 1992 to 2008. Then he retired. I did not receive an article for extremism and I was not an oligarch)))) Somehow it does not fit into the matrix)))) ???
  2. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 06
    +4
    Is there an alternative? And who is against GDP? Grudinin? What kind of body is this? Maybe we can add Navalny? Both are suitable for a shooting article.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 February 2018 06: 10
      28
      Quote: VERESK
      Is there an alternative?
      There is always an alternative. The problem is not its absence, the problem is the reluctance to see it.
      Quote: VERESK
      This what kind of body?
      Did you just wake up from a long hibernation?
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 17
        +4
        I perfectly understand what kind of body it is. Do you explain, or yourself in the subject?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 2 February 2018 06: 25
          12
          No, I'm not in the subject, please explain.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 30
            +4
            Catch. Only really evaluate the existing.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 February 2018 12: 03
              19
              Quote: VERESK
              Catch. Only really evaluate the existing.

              Why are you clogging the forum with such cheap stuff? What is there in this evidence video? The entire video, some kind of schoolboy, repeated the word "Urgent". Yes, even there were no charges against Grudinin. I just lost time looking at it.
              1. HEATHER
                HEATHER 3 February 2018 14: 34
                +1
                Thousands of apologies. About politics, I no longer say a word. Regards! hi
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 3 February 2018 15: 04
              +2
              Here is an adequate response to the allegations made in the video.
  3. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 06: 06
    10
    Yes. This is a propaganda article. But I like it. And someone might make you think.
    1. HEATHER
      HEATHER 2 February 2018 06: 45
      +6
      Vote. You have a flag in your hands.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 16
        +1
        Flag to you comrade senior warrant officer (chest, piece) Go on.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 2 February 2018 07: 19
      +8
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      Yes. This is a propaganda article. But I like it. And someone might make you think.

      I agree. Especially in the part of the culture of communication and attitude to the object of discussion. I already wrote that sometimes the forum resembles a school change in the "beginning".
      Often the discussion slides into a discussion of the personality in the photo (its physical defects). Read the news, how did Bibi discuss? His twisted lips ... You should first look at yourself in the mirror, and then go down to discuss physical disabilities.
      1. AUL
        AUL 2 February 2018 15: 34
        +2
        Quote: BecmepH
        I agree. Especially in the part of the culture of communication and attitude to the object of discussion. I already wrote that sometimes the forum resembles a school change in the "beginning".

        Well, there are no serious arguments, but something needs to be said. So they grimace, like kids from school for the "problem". They don’t understand whether they themselves, so that the price of their own words is taken away!
  4. Greenwood
    Greenwood 2 February 2018 06: 10
    45
    After reading the comments on numerous articles about the presidential election here on the site, I came to the conclusion that a significant part of the members of the forum (and apparently just the Russians) lives on the principle that “maybe everything will work out; maybe the president will remember the people; if only there wouldn’t be worse; and so we will live; Putin is somehow more familiar, why change him; Crimea has annexed, is fighting in Syria, the West respects him, then our man. " And this demonstrates their complete passivity and unwillingness to change something in the country. And at the same time, the willingness to accept any, the most dubious initiatives of the president and his government. Anyway, Putin would not have nominated his candidacy, but would have proposed for the role of a candidate, say Medvedev, or there Volodin, or someone else from his team, and the people will obediently go to vote (as it was in 2000).
    And Grudinin (put any name on this place: Boldyrev, Mikhailov, Ivashov, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky and anyone ..) - he’s unknown to anyone, he’s a talker, he’s a populist, he’s a billionaire, he’s without a team, he’s the Jews are ancestors; in general, you will find 100500 the most worthless reasons and excuses to justify your passivity and fear of change, which are inevitable in the event of the victory of Grudinin (like any other candidate except Putin).
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 2 February 2018 06: 40
      +4
      I came to the conclusion that a significant part of the forum users (and apparently just the Russians) lives on the principle of "maybe everything will work out;

      Grudinin will come ... maybe everything will work out too ... smile
      maybe they can be made by both presidents right away ... and what what let together they rule RUSSIA.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 2 February 2018 06: 53
        +9
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Perhaps everything will work out;

        And even worse, that I’ll go to vote, so Putin will be elected ....
      2. spirit
        spirit 2 February 2018 07: 11
        +5
        Well, yes, Moscow is 3 Rome laughing 2 consuls is normal good
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 2 February 2018 07: 23
      +6
      Quote: Greenwood
      in general, you will find 100500 worthless reasons and excuses to justify your passivity and fear of change,

      All right
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 2 February 2018 08: 28
      +6
      “in order to justify your passivity and fear of changes that are unavoidable in the event of Grudinin’s victory,” yes you are right: we are afraid that a new EBN will come and then such changes will begin that you first ask: “no”.
      Remember how B. N began: he walked like a simple hard worker. I’ve just remembered: he’s going “rash" like on a party, and when we looked at him we thought: "A man is simple and he will understand a simple hard worker." How could we have thought what he would do
      1. Don
        Don 2 February 2018 23: 43
        +4
        propose leaving Putin for life president, and after his death, dissolve Russia on all four sides? His re-election to 2012 and the current nomination has already led to the emergence of a Putin complex for people like you. What is this complex? This is a fear of change that is characteristic of older people. Do not be afraid of change, for it is inevitable even according to the laws of nature. That’s the power of Putin - Medvedev is already clearly visible - 2024 year, but rather even earlier, if they do not bring the country to a civil war of course.
    4. Captain45
      Captain45 2 February 2018 12: 06
      0
      Quote: Greenwood
      And Grudinin (put any name on this place: Boldyrev, Mikhailov, Ivashov, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky and anyone ..) - he’s unknown to anyone, he’s a talker, he’s a populist, he’s a billionaire, he’s without a team, he’s the Jews are ancestors; in general, you will find 100500 the most worthless reasons and excuses to justify your passivity and fear of change, which are inevitable in the event of the victory of Grudinin (like any other candidate except Putin).

      You said it right good and that’s why the people will vote for the incumbent President laughing
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 58
        0
        Quote: Captain45
        You said good correctly and that’s why people will vote for the current President laughing

        undoubtedly! Just how? In the 12th year, the GDP received somewhere around 45% of the votes of all voters and 65% from those who came. Let's see this year
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 3 February 2018 15: 05
        +1
        Yeah, what kind of people (for the most part), such and power.
    5. yehat
      yehat 2 February 2018 14: 17
      0
      Yes, most do not mind changing in the country, many do not live easily. But what to change?
      Grudinin is a cat in a poke without convictions and notable characteristic actions.
      And with so many! Hitler was also elected not because he was a good speaker, but because he was followed by a train of actions and participation in events, forces that also had time to prove something were behind him. KNEW IT.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 23
        +4
        Well, yes, Putin is a son of a bitch. But your own. Do you think this is right? Whenever something appears or someone new we try to resist this subconsciously. Because we do not know this new and can affect us. And we are inherently inert .With the flow, it’s easier for us to live. Maybe enough?
        1. yehat
          yehat 2 February 2018 16: 25
          +1
          offer courage to play roulette?
          this is not courage, but stupidity
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 01
            +2
            Quote: yehat
            offer courage to play roulette?

            conscious choice is roulette? However, roulette is everywhere: on the bus, plane, walking along the sidewalk and then roulette. Our whole life is a game
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 17: 09
              +4
              Quote: Overlock
              Our whole life is a game

              Here in (or on) your life and play yes
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 35
                +2
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Here in (or on) your life and play

                everyone plays a role in this life
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 18: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Here in (or on) your life and play

                  everyone plays a role in this life

                  Someone here was definitely bitten ...
    6. KAV
      KAV 2 February 2018 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: Greenwood
      And this demonstrates their complete passivity and unwillingness to change something in the country. And at the same time, the willingness to accept any, the most dubious initiatives of the president and his government.

      Well, of course. It is better to accept the dubious initiative of a group of people and change the power. No, fire! The 90s were enough for me, and the example of the neighboring one was independent. For free, such a perspective is not necessary!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 3 February 2018 15: 06
        +1
        Quote: KAV
        The 90s were enough for me, and the example of the neighboring one was independent.
        Will you now remember the 90s until the end of your life? I feel sorry for you.
        1. KAV
          KAV 5 February 2018 23: 39
          +1
          Quote: Greenwood
          Will you now remember the 90s until the end of your life? I feel sorry for you.

          Alas, but yes, I will remember until the end of my life, or an enemy’s life! Have you already forgotten ?! I feel sorry for you. For, with your memory you will not live far!
          PS And what you, dear, did not write anything about Non-Falling Nenka? Also, memory problems? Crushed with a pan?
  5. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 2 February 2018 06: 10
    0
    Grudinin did not answer my main question: what responsibility is provided for failure to fulfill state tasks and decrees?
    and no less important - how will the dollar exchange rate be formed?
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 06: 18
      18
      Tell me, who and what answered up to this point for unfulfilled state tasks?
      The dollar is now important to replenish the budget. And nothing more.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        The dollar is now important to replenish the budget. And nothing more.

        Dollar exchange rate is always important! This is the main mechanism of influence on the country's economic system. In a two-product competition, price is a decisive factor. If a currency is a commodity, then the cheaper it is, the more competitive it is.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 15: 29
          +2
          Do foreign markets differ from domestic ones? Previously, I wrote that a decrease in the US dollar / euro exchange rate by 18% over the past 3 months did not affect the purchasing power of the dollar within America.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 2 February 2018 16: 31
            0
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            , The decrease in the exchange rate of the US dollar against the euro by 18% over the past 3 months did not affect the purchasing power of the dollar within America.

            And how will it affect American lumpen consumption? firstly, secondly, how much has unemployment in the United States decreased?
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 2 February 2018 17: 38
              +2
              aybolyt678 Today, 16:31
              how much has unemployment decreased in the usa?

              US President Donald Trump Notices US Unemployment Reduction in Congress’s Traditional Address to the Congress. It is reported by TASS. Trump said the country is finally reborn after stagnation.
              The President emphasized that since his election 2,4 million jobs were created. He said that unemployment in the country reached a 45-year low. "Unemployment among African Americans is at the lowest level, among Latinos it has also reached the lowest level in history," Trump said.

              Unemployment fell to - 4.1%. The average hourly rate is $ 26. The average work week is 34,3 hours.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 2 February 2018 21: 35
                0
                Quote: Freeman
                Unemployment fell to - 4.1%. The average hourly rate is $ 26. The average work week is 34,3 hours.

                So they produce something? not only dollars print but also goods that, thanks to a cheaper dollar, have become more affordable.
    2. Bastinda
      Bastinda 2 February 2018 06: 21
      28
      And you ask the same question to the incumbent president? Just add to the first one - the failure to fulfill promises (import substitution, 25 million jobs, the fight against corruption, etc.) and see if he can answer, yet he has more experience, 18 years after all.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 02
        +6
        Quote: Bastinda
        add more - failure to fulfill promises


        to promise is not to marry!
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 2 February 2018 06: 27
      18
      Grudinin periodically holds webinars, where, together with Boldyrev and other members of his team, he answers questions from the audience. Ask him there.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 07: 00
        +2
        There is a link? Throw in a personal. Questions are
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 3 February 2018 15: 07
          +1
          Threw in a personal.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 05
        +3
        Quote: Greenwood
        Grudinin periodically holds webinars

        I would give a lot for the fight against Solovyov (or another) “Putin vs. Grudinin”. What minute would be a knockdown?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 3 February 2018 14: 20
          +1
          Putin never had a public debate. He is afraid of them. Any adequate politician or journalist will simply crush him with questions and criticism.
    4. Ber
      Ber 2 February 2018 07: 36
      +5
      and no less important - how will the dollar exchange rate be formed?


      This is just the last thing for from the colonial system of dependence on someone else’s financial regulator enemy countries Our financial regulators are not allowed to depend.

      Are we afraid of aircraft carriers if we refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars?
      For a long time, an alternative has been formed between countries to exchange goods in national currencies. The hitch so far is in only one thing, which material to choose as insurance for transactions, gold or diamonds, that is, as soon as they decide that they will insure transaction rates, they will immediately switch from the dollar to the national currency.

      Just at that time, the time will come for a new agreement between Russia and De Beers, the world monopolist in the market of brulik and industrial diamonds.
      Russia is really capable of sharing the entire world market with De Beers exactly 50% by 50%,
      and oh oh how serious in comparison with these average papers under the name dollar.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 11: 01
        +1
        Quote: Ber
        The snag so far is in only one thing, which material to choose as insurance for transactions,

        And why not KV / h of electricity? Under this currency on our continent, you can easily print money.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 11: 06
        0
        Quote: Ber
        our financial regulators do not have the right to depend on the alien financial regulator of the enemy country.

        Does the current president have this right? Or do regulators have us?
      3. Petr1968
        Petr1968 2 February 2018 13: 58
        0
        Quote: Ber
        This is just the very last one, because our financial regulators are not allowed to depend on the colonial system of dependence on the alien financial regulator of the enemy country.

        No one offers you to depend on anyone. Just the price in rubles for imported goods will be higher at times. And so everything is clear in rubles !!! You can even count money in bitcoins, it makes no difference, but goods are not sold abroad for rubles)))
      4. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Ber
        This is just the very last one, because our financial regulators are not allowed to depend on the colonial system of dependence on the alien financial regulator of the enemy country.

        Contradict yourself laughing The degree of coloniality just depends on the ability to establish a rate of exchange that is beneficial to its own producers.
    5. yehat
      yehat 2 February 2018 14: 21
      0
      Yes, do not care about the dollar. he does not mean anything in domestic politics.
      I’m more interested in how he will be able to change something in the country without having any support in the Duma?
      (EDR has a majority of votes!)
      Siskin has no tools for implementing any declared program, even in potential.
      Well, why choose it?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 16: 34
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        I’m more interested in how he will be able to change something in the country without having any support in the Duma?

        he comes from the Communist Party, in case of victory, the Communists will get more seats
        1. yehat
          yehat 2 February 2018 16: 47
          0
          this is not a guarantee, but a fantasy
          how will the Communists get the majority after Zyuganov refused the fight for several years?
          1. Don
            Don 2 February 2018 23: 58
            +3
            Quote: yehat
            this is not a guarantee, but a fantasy
            how will the Communists get the majority after Zyuganov refused the fight for several years?

            You were born yesterday? The State Duma has only one ideological party of the Communist Party. The rest there are either clowns, or athletes, or political, simple ... and! So, after the victory of Grudinin, at least 50 percent of edra and other parties out of habit will run to knock on the winners' doors. Will communists only accept such activists? Of course not, they will hold early parliamentary elections and, voila, all your questions will be easily resolved. And what will happen to Putin in this case? It will dissolve among 3% of its supporters, as well as Yavlinsky, Sobchak and others, where his real place is, without propaganda and administrative resources.
            1. yehat
              yehat 3 February 2018 01: 27
              +1
              Communist Party ideological party? don't make my slippers laugh!
              I do not see any connection between the Communist Party and the Communist Party of the USSR.
              they have slogans, yes. but there are no ideas.
              will communists accept such activists? ... no

              they’ll accept, they won’t go anywhere. This has always been and will be later.

              and as for Putin, you don’t understand - he wants to get lost!
              but cannot.
    6. myrzilka
      myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 43
      +5
      And who is now responsible for the failures in the economy ???? At least one last name in the studio ???
      1. yehat
        yehat 2 February 2018 15: 03
        +2
        write off everything on sanctions and conjuncture of foreign markets :)
        although, for example, Kudrin is personally responsible for lobbying for paper investments, a third of which was lost.
        1. myrzilka
          myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 22
          +7
          You know, I know, others know. But GDP does not know ((((Accident - I do not think)))
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 2 February 2018 16: 35
        +1
        Quote: myrzilka
        And who is now responsible for the failures in the economy ???? At least one last name in the studio ??

        Failures are usually the prime minister or the entire government. The president is the guarantor of the constitution.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 06
        +3
        Quote: myrzilka
        And who is now responsible for the failures in the economy ???? At least one last name in the studio ???

        CHUBAIS is to blame for everything! This is valid without limitation.
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 2 February 2018 06: 11
    +6
    You know, with nostalgia I remember Alexander Romanov, who has been absent from VO for a long time,


    Alexander come back ... we all forgive you smile .
    in the West, people are sure that Russia shot down a Boeing in 2014 in Ukraine.

    It's all smile Strelkov-Girkin, he dragged it onto his hump BUK ... it's him
    organized a BOEING course change over Ukraine so that it flew over Buk and after launching a rocket he scooted dragged the BUK to RUSSIA ... now the US court demands from him four hundred million dollars for this Hollywood entertainment ... belay

    Here is the WEST version ... the truth is there are no facts and evidence. Well, there’s nothing wrong with it. The main thing is that it’s Russian and Russians, by definition, are to blame for everything.


    For whom now to vote on March 18 ... that is the question ... to be or not to be ... what
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 2 February 2018 07: 27
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      For whom now to vote on March 18 ... that’s the question ... to be or not to be ..

      "Poor Yorick ... I knew him, Horatio" (C)
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 February 2018 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ..to be or not to be.

      ahhhh ... "poor" Yorick ".... I knew him Lech ... wassat yes
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2018 23: 44
      0
      "Poor Yorick" - All bite him, we allow.
  7. vlad007
    vlad007 2 February 2018 06: 22
    +4
    How are the successes of Stalin related to the choice of President Grudinin? Involuntarily I recall the proverb: "In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev the uncle"
  8. tasha
    tasha 2 February 2018 06: 39
    +2
    except for a true liberal

    The author of the article calls for polite communication, but "in his own eye ...".

    Stalin even had mediocre leaders who had a cat crying, and he had no one to choose from .... He was able to raise a real elite that plowed under him

    And what began after the death of I.V. Stalin? Many leaders make the same mistake - they take control of everything themselves. In one of the theories of management, the ideal is the head "about whom it is known that he is."

    Once again. wink Selection, selection and selection again. The citizen index, which is formed according to different criteria. And only from those who have reached a certain threshold are leaders selected. And those who scored the right amount of points have the right to choose.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 2 February 2018 09: 22
      +6
      Tascha Today, 06:39
      Selection, selection and selection again. The citizen index, which is formed according to different criteria. And only from those who have reached a certain threshold are leaders selected. And those who scored the right amount of points have the right to choose.

      Yes Yes. The right to vote and to be elected is reserved only to those who have a class rank no lower than "Actual State Advisor to the Russian Federation, Grade 3".
      Do you dream of a caste system, dear ???
      1. tasha
        tasha 2 February 2018 10: 47
        +1
        The caste system is past.

        Everything is different here.
        For example, whoever has not read Heinlein cannot vote. wink
        1. AUL
          AUL 2 February 2018 16: 03
          +4
          Quote: tasha
          Selection, selection and selection again. The citizen index, which is formed according to different criteria. And only from those who have reached a certain threshold are leaders selected. And those who scored the right amount of points have the right to choose.

          Why is there an index? There is a Russian word - variety! And the question is: how much money will sort eta cost? How much for the variety?
          1. tasha
            tasha 2 February 2018 19: 39
            0
            Why is there an index? There is a Russian word - variety!

            Sausage of the second grade can’t just become a sausage of the first.
            Man is capable of developing. And sometimes think. wink
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 2 February 2018 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          The caste system is past.

          Everything is different here.
          For example, who Heinlein did not read - cannot vote. wink

          Did you happen to confuse Robert Heinlein with Ron Hubbard?
          Dianetics and Scientology created by Hubbard, along with the teachings of Shoko Asahara ("Aum Senrikyo"), were widely promoted and implemented in Russia in the 90s, with the active support of the ruling circles. As an example, the Moscow Fan Factory, which came under the control of Scientologists.
          So it’s more correct to write - who did not read Hubbard. hi
          1. tasha
            tasha 2 February 2018 19: 25
            0
            No, I didn’t mix it up. You attached Dianetics and Scientology here in vain ...
            For example. Robert Heinlein in the "Starship Troopers" had the rights of a citizen only served in the army ...
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 2 February 2018 21: 00
              +1
              Tascha Today, 19:25
              Robert Heinlein in the "Starship Troopers" had the rights of a citizen only served in the army ...

              Shoigu, Lavrov and Putin did not serve in the army.
              1. tasha
                tasha 2 February 2018 21: 07
                0
                So what?
                Please do not make me think out.
                1. Freeman
                  Freeman 3 February 2018 10: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: tasha
                  So what?
                  Please do not make me think out.

                  So, according to Heinlein, they should not have full civil and electoral rights.
                  I do not think that this “cosmo” version of “Sparta” is optimal.
                  Threat. To my shame, I didn’t read the "Starship Troopers". Therefore, I must be written in the "deprived". repeat
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 3 February 2018 11: 25
                    0
                    So, according to Heinlein, they should not have full civil and electoral rights.

                    Heinlein is just an example. Look wider ...
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 2 February 2018 11: 03
      +1
      First, find a kamikaze politician who has the courage / fatalism / blood alcohol content to say at least one word of criticism about egalitarianism.
      1. tasha
        tasha 2 February 2018 11: 18
        0
        The parameters should be different, with different weights. And everyone should be able to increase their performance. Everyone is equal in this.
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 2 February 2018 11: 43
          0
          Yes, equality of opportunity with free inequality of position is the fairest and most natural system, but a speaker who speaks in that spirit will lose all chances to even approach the political Olympus in the same second: voters want speeches like "I’ll give it, I’ll allow it, everyone paradise will come, "and competitors are just waiting for a reason to spit and call it an enemy of humanity.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 2 February 2018 19: 35
          +3
          Quote: tasha
          The parameters should be different, with different weights. And everyone should be able to increase their performance. Everyone is equal in this.

          Excuse me, are you not describing the pension system in Russia now?
          1. tasha
            tasha 2 February 2018 19: 37
            0
            Not. This has nothing to do with the Russian pension system.
    3. yehat
      yehat 2 February 2018 14: 24
      +2
      one of the first things Khrushchev did after capture authorities sharply weakened the personnel selection system. Stalin built this system since the 30s when he realized that there was no stupid support for current meat.
    4. Overlock
      Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 17
      +3
      [quote = tasha] Selection, selection and selection again. The citizen index, which is formed according to different criteria. And only from those who have reached a certain threshold are leaders selected. And those who scored the right amount of points have the right to choose
      1. tasha
        tasha 2 February 2018 18: 10
        0
        I repeat.
        There was an attempt at selection. And it continues. Competition "Leaders of Russia". He took part in it, but did not qualify for full-time semi-finals. Personal impression: The organizers themselves did not expect so many participants. Instead of the estimated 12 thousands - almost 120. I saw a set of tests, so familiar for various kinds of trainings. And not a single, not a single question in which the views of the participant on the future of the country, his (participant) political views would be evaluated. As a result of a truly serious selection, good, competent managers will be selected. Which will not matter what they manage - a factory or a labor camp .. Like that ...
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 2 February 2018 19: 50
          +2
          Tascha Today, 18:10
          There was an attempt at selection. Competition "Leaders of Russia". As a result of a truly serious selection, good, competent managers will be selected. Which will no matter what control - factory or labor camp ..

          Here it is the quintessence of the concept of "effective manager"
          - It doesn’t matter what you manage;
          But on this basis, why can’t Grudinin become a good president? Just because he does not participate in such competitions, since he has his own business?
          1. tasha
            tasha 2 February 2018 19: 56
            0
            Horses mixed up in a bunch wink
            You hurried with your comment, I think so.

            What side is Grudinin and my personal impression of the competition "Leaders of Russia"?
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 2 February 2018 21: 42
              +1
              Tascha Today, 19:56
              What side is Grudinin and my personal impression of the competition "Leaders of Russia"?

              I asked your opinion about whether Grudinin would be able to become a good president without any experience in participating in such contests - where "good, competent managers" pass management tests "no matter what".
              By the way, the second higher education of Grudinin is “jurisprudence”, obtained at the Russian Presidential Academy of Public Administration.
              Do you think this adds him managerial skills?
              1. tasha
                tasha 3 February 2018 06: 45
                0
                You suffered completely the wrong way. If it does not bother you, re-read my answer to Overlock on the quote from Alexei Mazur.
  9. Altona
    Altona 2 February 2018 06: 56
    +5
    In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.

    Is this still an article or part of the campaign material of the presidential candidate? From your logic, I realized that Savva Morozov would be a better Bolshevik than Lenin.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 2 February 2018 08: 16
      +3
      Altona Today, 06:56
      From your logic, I realized that Savva Morozov would be the best Bolshevik than Lenin.

      No. Savva Morozov would be best menshevik than Lenin.
  10. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 2 February 2018 07: 31
    20
    "But remember, Cinderella, at exactly 20 p.m. March 18, when all polling stations close,
    again you will again nafig nobody needs you! .. " wink
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 2 February 2018 14: 33
      +3
      matchless masterpiece))) good good
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2018 23: 49
      0
      Grudinin will definitely not be needed by anyone - it will disappear as it appeared. And the Communist Party for the millionth time will launch its vinyl record - a stub, about the irreparable losses of Russia and about unprecedented opportunities - in case of future victories, the commies.
  11. Moore
    Moore 2 February 2018 07: 39
    11
    And the third is the material and moral satisfaction of subordinates, starting from direct workers / soldiers.

    Do you think that if your idol managed a similar CJSC somewhere, well, for example, near Kansk - where it is impossible to transfer the most precious metropolitan agricultural land to the lands of settlements and build shopping centers and houses there - they would also be pleased subordinates? He is never a managerial genius. Near Kansk I would be glad to credit "UAZ"
    And further. Do you seriously believe that governing the country is not much different from commanding a company?
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 2 February 2018 09: 34
      +5
      Our government intensively teaches us to "diversify" our personal currency basket. I hope it’s not worth explaining what it is. They are trying to do the same in business. Therefore, some of the land could be leased, sold. But the collective farm grows agricultural products. Other collective farms gave all the land for construction. and where are they ?.
    2. Galleon
      Galleon 2 February 2018 10: 13
      +6
      Quote: Moore
      Do you think that if your idol managed a similar CJSC somewhere, well, for example, near Kansk - where it is impossible to transfer the most precious metropolitan agricultural land to the lands of settlements and build shopping centers and houses there - they would also be pleased subordinates? He is never a managerial genius.

      Yes, he is not a genius, Moore, not a genius. and not a thief. Not a thief !! Therefore, his state farm is a full bowl. Disappearing view of the head, does not rub under him.
      1. Loess
        Loess 2 February 2018 11: 04
        +4
        And how many workers in that ZAO "State Farm ..." of workers? Probably a lot, Grudinin proudly stated that over 15 years, thanks to the modernization of production, he reduced a third, THREE, of workers. That is, I kicked out of work. A good "father of the people" ... And how many new jobs were created in this company during the same period? Maybe he "doesn’t rub" ... He just gets rid of the "ballast" in time. Nothing personal - just business. And I’m somehow not sure that if he comes to power, the majority of the population will not be the “ballast” to be reduced.
        1. myrzilka
          myrzilka 2 February 2018 14: 51
          +5
          Upgrades Carl! Modernization, not bankruptcy of the enterprise with the subsequent cut. It is one thing to increase efficiency in order to make more profit, as a result of reducing unnecessary costs. Another thing is stupidly bankrupt, to sell, and put in your pocket. And the people who worked at the enterprise all quit - all at once. Or take our officials, that’s where there is freedom for imagination))))) How many new departments are organized, profile commissions, departments and sub-departments. All for the benefit of the bureaucracy. where, before, two people coped. Now sits ten, and can not cope, and asked to increase staff. This is the result we have reached during the entire reign of our liberals. The percentage of useful work of the bureaucratic system tends to zero. And we feed them, in particular I, with the taxes that are taken from me. Sometimes more than once.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 36
          +3
          Quote: Less
          in 15 years, thanks to modernization of production, he reduced a third, THIRD, of workers.

          listen! Sobyanin in 1 year reduced 10 thousand doctors in the capital and nothing. Optimization!
      2. Moore
        Moore 2 February 2018 11: 16
        +5
        Quote: Galleon
        Yes, he is not a genius, Moore, not a genius. and not a thief. Not a thief !! Therefore, his state farm is a full bowl. Disappearing view of the head, does not rub under him.

        No one accused him of theft. Till. And the view is completely non-endangered. The trochies for sebe in the form of some unfortunate billions there - this is an absolutely everyday matter.
    3. AUL
      AUL 2 February 2018 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: Moore
      And further. Do you seriously believe that governing the country is not much different from commanding a company?
      Does it differ from the leadership of an officer club?
  12. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 07: 40
    12
    Another agitation?
    Arguments zero, some emotions negative
    It is enough to read the “program” of candidate G. and listen to him a couple of times in order to understand that people simply fulfill the order. Whose - this is really a question. But it’s certainly not the “elekhtorat”, which has beautiful promises hanging on its ears (the very “program”).
    Booooooooo ... recourse
    1. free
      free 2 February 2018 11: 06
      10
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Another agitation?
      Arguments zero, some emotions negative
      It is enough to read the “program” of candidate G. and listen to him a couple of times in order to understand that people simply fulfill the order. Whose - this is really a question. But it’s certainly not the “elekhtorat”, which has beautiful promises hanging on its ears (the very “program”).
      Booooooooo ... recourse

      So these authorities distribute some promises like gingerbread cookies, is not it boring?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 11: 15
        +4
        Quote: free
        these authorities give promises alone

        Yah? belay
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 2 February 2018 11: 25
          11
          Yah?

          "May decrees" -not? winked
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 12: 04
            +6
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat

            Learning to read carefully:
            Quote: free
            ... they promise only promises ...

            ... that is, they don’t do anything useful. Nothing at all.
            It's ... not quite true, at least yes
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 38
            +8
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            "May decrees" -not?


            and not only them. Many things they promised
  13. Serg65
    Serg65 2 February 2018 07: 50
    17
    as a senior citizen with experience

    Dear author, I always wondered ... why pensioners believe almost everything. what do they say They believed Yeltsin standing on the tank when he promised a beautiful and satisfying life, they believed Zhirinovsky, who promised every woman a man, they believed Mavrodi! For Grudinin .... and let us comrade a former worker, a former leader, take a close look at Grudinin’s program, at his notorious “20 steps”!
    1-th step ... We will carry out the nationalization of strategically important and system-forming industries, electric power, railways, communication systems, leading the bank
    Who is Grudinin going to nationalize energy, railways, communication systems? At the state? This is mistake? Or Freudian clause? Nationalize banks ... and Zyuganov does not know that 10 of the 12 large banks of Russia are working with a state controlling stake? And right away the question ... will Zyuganov allow nationalizing its assets and the assets of the communist capitalists?
    Let’s immediately clarify ... the capitalist Grudinin is Zyuganov’s talking head, so with your permission I won’t spend my time writing the word “Grudinin”.
    2-th step ... In the capsule of the government several trillion rubles. laughing Well, Zyuganov’s desire to launch his pens in this little egg has already become a parable !!!!
    3 step ... In principle, what is written in this section can be seen even by K. Sobchak. Liberals and communists historically go hand in hand. But please remember these words
    Opportunities will open up for large-scale investments in the economy, to support small and medium-sized businesses,

    4 step It is necessary to rely on science and new technologies. How did Zyuganov plan to rely on science and new technologies, if both this and that still need to be created or does Gennady Andreich work as a wizard and create science and technology in a year?
    We will bring the share of the manufacturing industry from the current 15-20% to 70-80% ... well, this is the old communist slogan "Let's catch up and overtake!" Who will create? Who will you bring with?
    5 step The program of sustainable rural development will give him a new life, will revive large-scale agricultural production and social infrastructure in the countryside .... laughing no, well this is a real step !!! Unless of course the village is located near the Moscow Ring Road! Yes, if Zyuganov was going to revive large-scale agricultural production, then what about the rural small business, which Gennady Andreich supported in punt No.3?
    My dear, gentlemen, communists (but I can’t call you comrades, since the 87 year, I can’t), you forgot how to work with the electorate, because the same points can be found in Navalny and Sabchak, and this leads to bad thoughts , is it not the same source of financing you have? The Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the late 80’s financier was the US Ambassador to Moscow Robert Strauss, who is financing you, Gennady Andreich? My friends, I certainly understand that now I will deserve a bunch of epithets such as liberal, hobby ... but do not rush, let's see the most interesting point of Zyuganov’s program!
    19 item The president will be controlled and accountable to the people and parliament. The procedure for impeachment will be simplified. No one will have the right to be president for more than two terms on the 4 year of a lifetime. Will be established Supreme State Council..... and now gentlemen, agitators "for Grudinin", try to prove to me that Swan, Cancer and Pike will still pull the cart in one direction !!! This point is the starting point for the final collapse of Russia! It was for the sake of this point that Mr. Zyuganov started a scam with Grudinin, and it is precisely from this point that the redistribution of power and money between the communist capitalists will begin!
    And the people, and what the people - the people that draw, where you turn there and it turned out !!!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 11: 34
      +8
      Quote: Serg65
      The Supreme State Council will be established ...

      Something like the Politburo of the Central Committee laughing
      A kind of "collective irresponsibility."
      Sergey, thank you very much for the detailed analysis ... of this nonsense on components good
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 2 February 2018 11: 42
        +7
        hi Welcome Roma!
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Something like the Politburo of the Central Committee

        smile This does not remind, this will be the Politburo led by Gennady Andreich, and Grudinin is the one to whom to sit bully
        The classic case when a Komsomolets again circled a new Russian around his finger good
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 2 February 2018 11: 48
          +8
          Quote: Serg65
          This does not remind, it will be the Politburo led by Gennady Andreich ...

          IMHO "does not take off", nevertheless yes
          But the idea is good (c)
          If an adult mouse
          Take it and keep it carefully
          Cram needles into it -
          You will get a hedgehog.
          If this hedgehog,
          Holding your nose so that you don’t breathe,
          Put it deep into the water -
          You will get a ruff.
          If this ruff,
          Holding his head in a vice,
          Pull the tail with your hands -
          You will receive a terrific.
          If this is a terrible
          Having prepared two knives ...
          However, he will probably die,
          But the idea is good!
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 2 February 2018 14: 35
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          and Grudinin is the one to sit bully

          Is his real surname FUNT belay lol
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 2 February 2018 14: 45
            +8
            Quote: Captain45
            Is his real surname FUNT

            laughing Nah, this is a profession, if you watched his performances in the presence of Zyuganov, you probably noticed how after each remark he nervously looks back at Zyuganov standing behind lol
        3. Freeman
          Freeman 2 February 2018 20: 13
          0
          Serg65 Today, 11:42 AM
          This does not remind, it will be the Politburo led by Gennady Andreich

          Well, as if this project has been hatched since 2016. And it also haunts me for whom this post is being prepared. Something tells me that it will not be Zyuganov.
          From an article on VO - Appointment of Volodin: Putin closes the issue with the legacy of Yeltsin
          In the very near future, Edro will formulate a New Putin Plan (NPP)which will open the way to constitutional changes and even, possibly, a referendum. And not one.
          According to the tactical plan, a governing body is being formed in the country on the basis of the presidential administration and the Security Council. It will have three posts: the head of the State Council - an analogue of the president, without age restrictions, etc. It has not yet been decided whether the position will be selectable or appointed. The main candidate for the post is Putin himself, or his closest associate, in the event that Putin plays a new party. The deputy head of the State Council is an analogue of the vice president. Secretary of the State Council, working directly with him and in him. "
  14. Wolka
    Wolka 2 February 2018 07: 53
    +3
    in spite of the increase in the level of influence on the world stage of Russia, sharp movements are contraindicated today, much has not been done yet, but it is necessary to do this, therefore a decent receiver is needed and (the election result is predetermined, formalities for people are left), all subsequent GDP policies for all existing directions will be aimed at the upbringing of a worthy receiver, the sternum, with all its “merits,” doesn’t get there in any way, so I wouldn’t want a worthy pensioner, but there will not be a communist in power for 10-15 years at least ...
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 2 February 2018 08: 19
    13
    Yes ... the country needs precisely the "PRESIDENT", and not "something" acting as president ...

    Online broadcast of Putin’s meeting with his proxies:
    Vladimir Mashkov (hereinafter - VM) gets up to ask a question. Putin (hereinafter - Putin) interrupts. Further dialogue:
    Putin: First of all, thank you for the movie.
    WM: I did not know that you went.
    Putin: I didn’t go, they brought me a flash drive.
    WM: Already stolen?
    * a small hitch, the barely audible sound of Mashkov’s heart falling into the heels *
    Putin: Why they stole it right away? They gave me a look.
    wink
  16. Loess
    Loess 2 February 2018 08: 29
    +6
    But Grudinin will be watered from all buckets
    Honestly, I don’t have time to watch TV for the last couple of weeks, so I don’t see Grudinin’s watering, but there are bulk articles about “Grudinin stoked”. It feels like trying to attract attention to Grudinin in this way instead of talking about his advantages as a candidate. Or nothing to talk about?
    1. dauria
      dauria 2 February 2018 20: 34
      +3
      but articles about "Grudinin stoked" in bulk.


      With Boris Yeltsin, this number was a success. We love the "oppressed." Why not repeat it? Especially since
      there are no more cards, there is nothing to play. Soother.
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  18. Altona
    Altona 2 February 2018 08: 44
    +2

    A small parody from Yhu Ibenpalu. laughing laughing
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 2 February 2018 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      A small parody from Yhu Ibenpalu

      good laughing
  19. Chord
    Chord 2 February 2018 08: 47
    +5
    Stalin-Grudinin !!!! Cardinal haberdashery !!!! Do I alone have this feeling after reading this campaign?
  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 February 2018 09: 08
    14
    A strange article, it seems, at the end it is said for Grudinin, but in spirit it is more likely against.
    Condemnation is amusing. The ability to buy a computer and connect to the Internet does not contribute to the development of intelligence. Basically, the discussion comes down to urry, and lately, such a frank trrr - olling, the quality of the site drops after disconnecting the minuses.
    Still much easier. For kleptocratic liberalism or conservative capitalism. There are no socialists and communists. You need to choose from two that are closer to you in spirit. Kleptocrats, who also constantly spit in the past, are pretty tired of it, so I am for the capitalist Grudinin.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 2 February 2018 12: 20
      +3
      You know, reading the comments on the site, incl. and yours especially in the light of the elections. I completely agree with you
      Quote: Gardamir
      The ability to buy a computer and connect to the Internet does not contribute to the development of intelligence. Basically, the discussion comes down to urry, and lately, so frank trrr - olling, the quality of the site decreases after disconnecting the minuses.
  21. Brigadier
    Brigadier 2 February 2018 09: 12
    18
    Grudinin is a sober person and is not connected with our EdRo-financial-oligarchic structures, like Putin, whom they do not tire of gradually reminding, thanks to whom he came to power and who supports him now for his own benefit. And he willy-nilly has to go in their fairway. And this means that in the next term of Putin’s rule, the rich will be richer and the poor poorer.
    Grudinin, unlike Putin, does not have such a tight coupling, which means he owes a much smaller number of “sticks”, which gives him great maneuver if he is elected.
    Moreover, Grudinin’s election policy, unlike Putin, is set not towards the “rich”, but towards the “poor”, because he, unlike Putin, understands that the country is approaching the limit of his patience and impoverishment of the people and 1917 . not far off and someday will explode!
    Under Putin, everything will remain the same, but under Grudinin, I hope, changes for the better begin. For I don’t even hope for Putin ... Time has shown it well ... Everything just gets worse and worse for ordinary people ... And the one who says: “Look at how much Putin has done for the country during his presidency,” I I can only say that someone else in his place would do no less, or even more ... at least out of a sense of self-preservation, because otherwise the people would simply not understand him! He simply had no choice but to do so ...
    Putin has done what he was supposed to do on his plot of history, but everything has its own deadline, and if the country needs to move forward, only the new president can give him a push, who sees the situation with his eyes closed and does not depend on "sticking"!
    EVERYONE VOTES FOR THE BREAST !!!
    1. Don Analyst
      Don Analyst 3 February 2018 22: 25
      -1
      Again, the Jews of Russian Vanka breed on communism ...
      The position when Russia and Iran have common interests is not satisfactory for Israel.
      Undoubtedly Pavel Grudinin is their candidate.
  22. Varyag77
    Varyag77 2 February 2018 09: 32
    10
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    I also. but Romanov, would doused you with a couple of tons of waste IMHO. (and I'm not sure that he is not

    Do not worry. He is not there. There are no dozens of old-timers who are simply tough taken out of this site. And this apparently happened after the assignment of media status, removing the minuses and the direct invasion of the Communists on the site. I think the site has changed ownership. Hence, any dissent other than Bolshevism is perceived not only with hostility, but these people are being poured with the same mud, boorishness, distortion, attribution of all mortal sins, including work for the CIA, Russophobia, etc. are flourishing. Etc. Someone really needs it. So all the old “marshals” were knocked out by the permanents, maybe someone himself left.

    For example, I received a permanent for commenting on the Red Commissioner Diana. There was nothing like that. Hard. Yes. But within the framework.
    Do you know the signature of one of the moderators? "I’m still with ..." Well then everything is clear.
    It used to be much more interesting here. A variety of positions and respect for the opinions of others were still a priority. Now this is a completely red site with a couple of dissent, who apparently will not be banned, that would at least somehow create the objectivity of freedom of speech.
    Sorry. When that was a good site.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 2 February 2018 10: 30
      +9
      Quote: Varyag77
      For example, I received a permanent for commenting on the Red Commissioner Diana. There was nothing like that. Hard. Yes. But within the framework.

      Yes, she is the same commissar as Petrov Stalinist. Kremlin trolls. By the way, Ilyin was banned, so you shouldn’t be so for the administration laughing
    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 2 February 2018 10: 51
      +4
      Super. Respect. Once upon a time on this site a lot of smart and sober people exchanged opinions, often opposed, with respect for each other - this was not even discussed. Now rudeness in an open or veiled form is booming. Moreover, the Communists have the same rejection of any other opinion as the extreme liberals - they have no arguments - we are not able to politely express our point of view - we begin to pour mud. Thank God this is a marginal part of society and does not affect anything in our country - only on forums they can pour out their hatred ... Honestly, I think I’m going to get out of here ...
      1. Romey
        Romey 2 February 2018 15: 06
        +8
        Quote: A resident of the Urals
        Moreover, the Communists have the same rejection of any other opinion as the extreme liberals - they have no arguments - we are not able to politely express our point of view - we start to pour mud. Thank God this is a marginal part of society and does not affect anything in our country - ..

        Here's an interesting question ... I am a conservative monarchist, but for some reason, none of the left is pouring mud on me. Quite the contrary, the attitude towards my personal views is quite correct on their part. There were discussions, but there was no mess with insults and personalization. Maybe because I do not intentionally provoke the stupid red-white srach? Maybe because I call a spade a spade, if they really take place with regards to both the past and the present? In general, you just need to be a sober and adequate person and everything will be fine. With regard to marginality, here you are mistaken, because in society there is a serious request to resolve completely natural social issues that have accumulated during the 25 years of the oligarchy’s reign.
    3. Loess
      Loess 2 February 2018 11: 13
      +4
      Quote: Varyag77
      There are no dozens of old-timers who are simply tough taken out of this site. And this apparently happened after the assignment of media status, removing the minuses and the direct invasion of the Communists on the site. I think the site has changed ownership.

      I also noticed a change after the cons disappear. And also came to the conclusion about the new owner. And before the disappearance of the cons, as far as I remember, a couple of articles slipped into the opinions section that the cons supposedly kill an alternative point of view ...
    4. myrzilka
      myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 26
      +6
      That damn it, again the filthy commies are to blame for everything))))))))) For Novodvorskaya, you would be your boyfriend)))
  23. captain
    captain 2 February 2018 09: 45
    +8
    Everyone has the right to their opinion. The author took advantage of it. I will express my opinion. At this stage, when we are under sanctions and the propaganda of the terrible Hitler’s propaganda is being conducted against our country, I consider it inappropriate to change Putin. Our country has the experience of 1917 when we began to change power and what we now have. It’s easy to break Putin’s administrative system, but what kind of team will be picked up after this team and where are the guarantees that Russia will not crumble during the change of power like the Soviet Union. Already broke in 1991.
  24. Foundling
    Foundling 2 February 2018 09: 58
    13
    Well, of all the candidates, Grudinin at least ran a state farm. This means more experience than that of the other, who was in charge of the officer club and dragged portfolios for Sobchak.
    1. 2112vda
      2112vda 2 February 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Gentlemen, comrades, citizens. Personally, my opinion is to choose something with no one and no one. All the same "shabby, shabby deck of card throws." They will put whoever is needed, regardless whether you go to the polls or not. Power in the world is at the merchants, whom they consider necessary and put regardless of the results of the vote.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 2 February 2018 13: 15
        0
        Quote: 2112vda
        Power in the world is at the merchants, whom they consider necessary and put regardless of the results of the vote.

        When did they set someone independent of the voting results ???? Did you dream about it ???
  25. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 10: 16
    +9
    I completely agree with some of the author’s arguments:
    1. It is a person who has experience in managing a team, and preferably not in a research institute, but say somewhere at a construction site, or say a factory. Believe me, these are different situations and the people there are also different.
    2. The ability to work with material resources is also very important. Ability to form a budget, plan expenses and income. Understanding the most important economic processes in relation to the psychology of the population.
    I’ll add on my own that moral maturity, the ability to think critically, the presence of a family and children is also an important fact, no matter who laughs. Insecurity and the ability to maneuver between economic trends and political systems. The experience of personal personal responsibility is one of the most important criteria.
  26. Varyag77
    Varyag77 2 February 2018 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Varyag77
    For example, I received a permanent for commenting on the Red Commissioner Diana. There was nothing like that. Hard. Yes. But within the framework.

    Yes, she is the same commissar as Petrov Stalinist. Kremlin trolls. By the way, Ilyin was banned, so you shouldn’t be so for the administration laughing

    Long pulled. she was not childish. It was just possible to give a warning (I mean), send to the ban for a week there at the worst, given the past merit. but no. PERMANENT. And all kinds of badenza? A person in a real dispute would have been crippled for such a long time. In the old days, a moderator would have come in and hinted at the consequences in order to return to the bounds of decency. And now everything is silent.
    Moreover, it seems that the site was deliberately divided into red and white. And this separation is constantly heated. This is also amazing. Earlier here, too, there were all kinds of things, but like that, to the knife to the end ... Not cool.
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 2 February 2018 11: 34
      11
      Cat! "Cat Manula" is also "killed"! He had to, now in the "dog" - "golovana" reincarnate! Shame on our cat tribe! crying
      1. myrzilka
        myrzilka 2 February 2018 15: 28
        +2
        He was castrated (read killed)))))))))
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 15: 32
        +4
        laughing Then I look at Manula Golovan looks a lot, thought it seemed, but no, prayed, it all seems to be one! Golovan, why are you driving yourself like that? wink
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 February 2018 23: 55
          0
          Senile senility, probably, affects - that’s what it takes.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 2 February 2018 16: 09
        +1
        You and Kotische stayed, perhaps, will still appear from feline
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 18: 38
          +2
          Stayed where? Well, I didn’t seem to be driving like the majority of those present here, not excluding you.
    2. AUL
      AUL 2 February 2018 16: 25
      0
      Quote: Varyag77
      Long pulled. she was not childish. It was just possible to give a warning (I mean), send to the ban for a week there at the worst, given the past merit. but no. PERMANENT. And all kinds of badenza? A person in a real dispute would have been crippled for such a long time.

      Varangian, I myself am in shock, but I YOU POSTER for this. Moreover, sober!
  27. Dormidont
    Dormidont 2 February 2018 11: 41
    +2
    sternum, the same heir to the ideology of Stalin, as a waltzman. And in general - 2018 - the year of the restoration of the Monarchy
  28. Altona
    Altona 2 February 2018 11: 50
    +4
    Quote: captain
    Everyone has the right to their opinion. The author took advantage of it. I will express my opinion. At this stage, when we are under sanctions and the propaganda of the terrible Hitler’s propaganda is being conducted against our country, I consider it inappropriate to change Putin. Our country has the experience of 1917 when we began to change power and what we now have. It’s easy to break Putin’s administrative system, but what kind of team will be picked up after this team and where are the guarantees that Russia will not crumble during the change of power like the Soviet Union. Already broke in 1991.

    ----------------------------------
    But I believe that our country is under external occupation and there’s nothing to go to choose another Gauleiter, regardless of what his name is Putin, Grudinin, Sobchak, Navalny, Yavlinsky. I will still be thrown up by new occupation laws.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 2 February 2018 12: 49
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      But I believe that our country is under external occupation and there’s nothing to go to choose another Gauleiter, regardless of what his name is Putin, Grudinin, Sobchak, Navalny, Yavlinsky. I will still be thrown up by new occupation laws.

      and most importantly, that we lose ideologically, And we do not see this.
      1. dSK
        dSK 2 February 2018 17: 53
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the main thing is that we lose ideologically

        Our constitution "prohibits" ideology.
      2. dSK
        dSK 2 February 2018 19: 21
        0
        Quote: aybolyt678
        don't see it

        All Good News - a call for the honest fulfillment of the "official" duties of the main ideologists of that time - the Pharisees: "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites that are likened to colored coffins, which look beautiful on the outside and inside are full of bones of the dead and all uncleanness; in appearance you seem to people the righteous and inside executed hypocrisy and lawlessness. "(Matthew 23: 27-28)
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 2 February 2018 21: 39
          0
          Quote: dsk
          hypocrites that are like painted coffins

          There is a Stalinist expression of a radish man. I find it seems red and inside is white. Bad person, you see.
  29. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 2 February 2018 11: 59
    +6
    He was able to grow up a real elite, which under him plowed, and whose children, after school, did not sit in the chairs of group directors, but in the cockpits of fighter jets. He asked from the elite, and she tried to please him and the country in the only possible way - excellent work.
    This is definitely not about the current steering. Unfortunately ....
  30. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 February 2018 12: 01
    12
    To make a choice for Grudinin, it is enough to visit the state farm, look at the kindergarten, school, and children's town.
    This is a kindergarten.
    And this is a children's park.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 21
      +2
      Do you understand that such a kindergarten project is extremely, unnecessarily expensive, and that not a single normal entrepreneur who knows how to make money will build such a thing?
      Do you understand that this kindergarten throughout Russia built on a single copy in the Moscow region will not work in any way?
      This is all in pure form the embodiment of the fantasies of one of the heroes of N.V. Gogol, the landowner Manilov.
      For this money, you can clearly build more than one truly modern kindergarten.
      And the construction of a fabulous castle, instead of several modern buildings, frankly, gives the impression of not too high culture of the author of the project.
      Brocade footcloths over canvas boots.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 February 2018 18: 02
        +4
        The yacht of any "aligarch" is much more expensive than this kindergarten. How many such kindergartens could be built instead of yachts, planes, helicopters, palaces?
        Grudinin said in an interview that the price of this kindergarten does not differ from the usual district, but they built it by taking Disneyland as a model. Disneyland cannot be blamed for the lack of culture.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 3 February 2018 00: 00
          0
          Quote: 16112014nk
          The yacht of any "aligarch" is much more expensive than this kindergarten. How many such kindergartens could be built instead of yachts, planes, helicopters, palaces?

          Everyone has the right to spend their own money at their discretion, "aligarch" on a yacht, a farmer in kindergarten. Everything depends on the degree of consciousness of the owner, and consciousness on education. The only interesting thing is that all these "oligarchs" Usmanovs, Rotenbergs, Potanins were born, brought up, studied in the USSR, were Komsomol members, communists. Well, did the USSR grow such rednecks from them, or were they not the only goons, were they?
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 3 February 2018 11: 29
            0
            The answer can only be this: "The family has its black sheep."
            The only bad thing is that all of these are. childbirth in power or so, and the rest of the people suffer from their greed and indefatigable greed.
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 4 February 2018 08: 28
        +2
        Quote: Mestny
        will not a single normal businessman who knows how to make money build such a thing?
        In fact, the “normal” entrepreneur, in your opinion, should take the cheapest standard project, hire the cheapest contractor and use the hands of the cheapest brigade of hand-clasped Uzbeks to build a piece of shit from the cheapest Chinese materials, which will begin to crumble in a year. Here it is in our opinion, and most importantly, what kind of savings, with the money saved, you can buy an apartment for yourself or finish building a house. Unfortunately, a significant proportion of modern businesses are arguing that way. Children and ordinary citizens generally do not care. But I'm glad that not everyone is. Grudinin is a prime example.
        Quote: Mestny
        instead of several modern buildings
        What do you think of the modern building? Dull glass box? It’s better to let the castle be for children just right, than the next tasteless cubic threshing floor made of glass and concrete.
  31. Petr1968
    Petr1968 2 February 2018 12: 50
    0
    A person is scornfully denounced not because of his cases, but, for example, mangling the surname of a presidential candidate: Syskin. Well, who else, except for a real liberal, is capable of such rudeness?

    Then there are some liberals on the forum))) For any person from power who is being discussed here ... except for STALIN, it's just the last, and liberals generally shoot and burn with napalm ..)))
  32. Petr1968
    Petr1968 2 February 2018 12: 55
    +3
    The article is a dummy.
    The people are not able to choose anyone. whom they advertise on TV, they will choose him.
    Someone here believes that 86% read Putin’s program for a new term ?? She is at all. Just about Putin is only positive on TV, and the rest are exposed as idiots. In our elections, the main candidate voted, at least Yeltsin, at least Putin, at least Medvedev. Who pointed a finger - that will be. Everything is simple. That's why we have free TV to control the Sheep ... in my opinion in 2012 Gref said this openly (on YouTube there is a video with his speech on some forum). We do not need independent media, how then to manage the crowd www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ8qMim7eIQ
  33. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 February 2018 12: 59
    0
    We need a president. We have it. What are the problems? For all, it's just a song from Vizbor. Without hints. Although, who knows.
  34. Gardamir
    Gardamir 2 February 2018 13: 02
    +2
    such an opinion
  35. Streletskos
    Streletskos 2 February 2018 13: 25
    21
    The country does not need a president, but a nationally oriented elite
    What word itself
    Alien
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 2 February 2018 13: 50
      0
      Quote: Streletskos
      The country does not need a president, but a nationally oriented elite

      You propose to take the money from the rich and give it to the Stalinists and cheers-patriots?))) Or any ideas?)))
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 27
        +2
        No, they believe that such an elite will suddenly decide to invest everything in the economy (read - increase salaries).
        At the same time, it will remain an elite, will continue to earn money, but will give it to them, divide it equally between them and itself. And then prosperity will come, and each state employee will receive money from the belly, a free apartment, a car and a new iPhone.
        In a normal, mentally healthy person, these dreams cause homeric laughter.
        But the breasts are the other way around - they sacredly believe. that it will be so. You just have to go and vote against the liberal "regime."
  36. trophy
    trophy 2 February 2018 13: 56
    +8
    For whom to vote the question is certainly not one of the most urgent in view of the absolute predictability of the results of the “election”. But if we discard this factor aside, then it is quite possible to speculate. By the will of fate, the entire period of the reign of the current supreme was at the junction of industry and the army, my spouse is not the last local health worker, children attend kindergarten and school. So, personally, I’m absolutely sure that for the period from zero year only the armed forces went into relative plus, and even not by all parameters. Industry (not the big-headed giants, but the main backbone) is at best in zeros (there is no new equipment, engineers at least build a disco for those who send in 70, generations of engineers have fallen) and the peak for this reason is not far off. Medicine is a separate song, and for those who "can afford" it is a major, for the bulk (including the employees themselves) deepest minor. I can’t speak about education without obscene expressions, and therefore I won’t. Here is a brief picture (as I see) of the results of GDP. Before me is the dilemma of either voting for Grudinin or not participating in this booth. There is no certainty that the main function of Grudinin is not to ensure the minimum required attendance. I do not believe the current government, I do not believe a penny.
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 15: 37
      +3
      Dear Trofim, you are not the only one! Thinking and seeing a lot. For example, we do not go to these elections.
      1. Romey
        Romey 2 February 2018 18: 45
        +4
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Dear Trofim, you are not the only one! Thinking and seeing a lot. For example, we do not go to these elections.

        But in vain ... Of course, about P.N. Grudinin has all sorts of opinions in the whole spectrum from positive to negative. There are questions to him about election tactics; there are some ambiguities in the program. There is a reluctance to raise some questions, which is called the edge. There is a reluctance to address such sensitive issues as, for example, about New Russia and attitudes towards the Bandera state. Our political system is such that it is impossible to reinforce concrete and categorically either deny or accept blindly on faith. In addition, it is human nature to make mistakes and Grudinin is no exception. Therefore, pragmatism and only pragmatism. Firstly, it is the low turnout that gives maximum scope for fraud and there is no need to simplify the work for the AP. In any case, having come to the polls and having voted, you will know for sure. that it was you who received your ballot, and not a certain member of the EC with an extract from the passport office for all voters of the precinct. Secondly, you do not lose anything from the word at all. Of course, Grudinin may turn out to be a radish, but there is a non-zero probability that this is not so. Therefore, we will not miss the chance of a revolution from above, otherwise, if everything remains as it is, and it remains with Putin stopudovo, we will run into a catastrophe before which 1917 fades. Thirdly, without coming to these crucial elections, you will not prove anything to anyone. The authorities on the drum, these boycotts, in a demonstrative plan. By canceling the column against everyone and the turnout threshold, the Putinists made such actions pointless and even put them at their service as I wrote above, and they spat on public opinion in complete self-confidence in general, replacing it with TV and trolls with sets of hackneyed records about the 90s, the State Department and Maidan, modestly silent about continuing the liberal course. Fourth, there is a chance to bring Putin and his edros to life and shake their insolent confidence that they grabbed God by the beard and they can do anything like raising their retirement age, taxes, prices and other liberal dirty tricks. Even if Grudinin gains 25%, the myth of 85% will end the support of Putin’s population and the Uderas will have to do something about it.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 18: 54
          +1
          Dear Romey! I apologize, but I already wrote all my arguments about my failure to appear at the polls and the absence of my relatives on another thread, I don’t see any reason to repeat them. I am quite calm about Grudinin, but I consider him to be an independent figure, alas.
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 07
      0
      The problem is that no one can verify you. Does everything you say about yourself correspond to reality? What if not? Then the rest of the arguments come from the same category.
      You can’t check.
      The same can be said of those commenting who are for the current government. It seems to be equal, your truth is against ours.
      But there are some nuances.
      Those who are in favor of the current government are in favor, but like you AGAINST.
      In this case, FOR the existence of the state, as it is. It may not be the best, but it is.
      And vice versa. AGAINST the current state in the name of the great goal of the future improvement of the life of the people. That is, let us now destroy, and then build something, according to our theory, a fair paradise on earth.
      Agree, after the events in Russia in recent years, it’s extremely difficult for a 150 normal person to believe that this time it will work out for sure.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 18: 46
        +2
        Local, less pathos and pathos. Well, in reality, people have already lifted up who can’t go to the toilet without pathos! Puppeteers think smiling while reading you. In fact, everything that you wrote above can be attributed to you. It doesn’t matter to me at all whether they believe me or not, my conscience and my loved ones are more important to me. Yes, I am against the current government and quite justifiably, my criticism is true, it may not always be constructive because, alas, not everything in this world depends on me. Do not have illusions, there is no improvement in the life of the people in terms of the current comprador power! However, it is your business to believe or not, because power requires faith and not rational understanding, as a sect.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 4 February 2018 08: 31
      0
      Quote: Trofim
      Before me is the dilemma of either voting for Grudinin or not participating in this booth. There is no certainty that the main function of Grudinin is not to ensure the minimum required attendance. I do not believe the current government, I do not believe a penny.
      It is necessary to participate in the elections. Do you believe, do not believe. It’s not so difficult to walk with your family to the nearest polling station and check the box.
  37. Petr1968
    Petr1968 2 February 2018 14: 00
    +5
    Why critics of Grudinin or lackeys of Putin do not write specifics. For example, such a paragraph of Putin’s program is better than that of Grudinin and vice versa, why it all comes down to like-dislike. Which of the agenda of Putin for the new term favorably distinguishes him, maybe at least someone to write?
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 2 February 2018 14: 42
      +5
      Quote: Petr1968
      Why critics of Grudinin or lackeys of Putin do not write specifics. N

      And why don't you write the other way around - lackeys of Grudinin or criticism of Putin? Love Grudinin-your right. Why insult those who disagree with you? Your phrase shows your attitude towards opponents. “And what's next? Another year or two, and then your red curls become familiar and they just start to beat you” (c) “Golden Calf”
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 52
      +5
      and what to compare? What campaign promises did Putin fulfill?
      Housing and communal services - musolite for 18 years
  38. yehat
    yehat 2 February 2018 14: 02
    +4
    completely disagree with the criteria for evaluating the president in the article.
    firstly, the president should not represent himself, but a certain grouping that is capable of choosing and supporting him. He is not on his own and must have some kind of support and some views. The sternum does not have such a position at all. Therefore, he is not a presidential candidate by definition, like Medvedev, by the way.
    secondly, education. It does not matter what his formal education is, it is important how he knows how to organize a business, communicate with people and how able-bodied and reliable (stable).
    thirdly, the president will not cope if he does not have an adequate team.
    For example, Putin now does not have an adequate team in a number of areas - economics, defense production, social programs, and medicine.
    fourthly, what kind of nonsense about the salaries of subordinates and other details of his personal actions? The president’s personal position will not affect what he does in the country in general. The maximum is the salary of the closest assistants.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 2 February 2018 15: 26
      +2
      Quote: yehat
      For example, Putin now does not have an adequate team in a number of areas - economics, defense production, social programs, and medicine.

      What are you saying ... There’s no direct command at all, is it worse than the Ukrainians live?
      And according to international estimates, including the USA, Russia is a serious world power, both militarily and economically. So Putin has a strong team, ready to deal with sanctions, crises and military challenges. Revenues are rising, inflation is declining, the army is rearming. And you are all-weaver.
      1. yehat
        yehat 2 February 2018 16: 30
        +6
        strong and highly inadequate team
        Ministry of Economic Development - complete inadequacy, Central Bank management - complete inadequacy
        2/3 of the top managers who decide the work of the defense industry - just a failure. People are busy with careers and cuts + bribes and lobbyism, rather than equipping the army.
        Education - Complete. Now they seem to have put a more - less sane leader, but he has not changed anything yet
        medicine - opa is just hopeless.
        continue?
        do you call this team ????
        or is the team for you Sand?
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 2 February 2018 16: 52
          +1
          Quote: yehat
          strong and highly inadequate team

          That is, Russia is your bottom-bottom ?? I don’t think so, the standard of living in Russia is the highest among the countries of the former USSR. The level of sovereignty is one of the highest in the world. In Russia alone, if not the most combat-ready in the WORLD. Compare Venezuela, where Russia also sells oil. They give toilet paper on a coupon, we have the most sales of Mercedes. And everything else is your imagination. Write which countries you are comparing with.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 February 2018 16: 58
            +3
            Quote: Petr1968
            Write which countries you are comparing with.

            Quote: Petr1968
            Quote: yehat
            strong and highly inadequate team

            That is, Russia is your bottom-bottom ?? I don’t think so, the standard of living in Russia is the highest among the countries of the former USSR. The level of sovereignty is one of the highest in the world. In Russia alone, if not the most combat-ready in the WORLD. Compare Venezuela, where Russia also sells oil. They give toilet paper on a coupon, we have the most sales of Mercedes. And everything else is your imagination. Write which countries you are comparing with.

          2. yehat
            yehat 2 February 2018 16: 58
            +7
            not Russia, but the president’s team is bottom-bottom.
            what Shuvalov alone is worth is one of the top coolest thieves of the 21st century.
            do you even imagine the financial resources of the state?
            it can every citizen of the Russian Federation every year thousands of 80 rubles to be deposited into the account only through excise taxes on oil, but there is also gas, timber, metals, etc.
            and with these resources we have a poor pension, low salaries of state employees, poor investments. But there are other sources of income and not small ones.
            The Russian Federation can live all close to the level of Saudis right now with a "poor" budget.
            and what is really going on? Billions of rubles are lost in the empty, stealing even more.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 31
              0
              You use anonymity, accusing the country's leadership of theft and other crimes.
              However, it is precisely the anonymity and complete lack of evidence in such a matter that cannot be taken seriously.
              The caravan calmly moves on. And this is good.
              1. Alexey Polyansky
                Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 35
                +1
                I accuse Putin of a crime against Russian citizens. Abuse of authority. Creating conditions for the full or partial physical destruction of Russian citizens on a social basis. Assignment of authority. Failure to fulfill their constitutional duties. I went to court three times in connection with Putin’s failure to fulfill his duties. Three times it was refused to accept the application for consideration.
              2. yehat
                yehat 3 February 2018 01: 32
                0
                I have already given simple calculations here on the website based on the Rosstat database.
                Count yourself for 5 minutes, so that everything is clear. all evidence is in official government reports.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 February 2018 00: 05
              0
              "It can every citizen of the Russian Federation every year to put 80 thousand rubles into the account only through excise taxes on oil, but there is also gas, timber, metals, etc." Yes, from the budget they will put parasites, loafers and the whole population every year - 11 trillion rubles, and all other expenses: social programs, defense, science, sports, education, medicine and so on - let them sit on the wobble.
              1. yehat
                yehat 3 February 2018 01: 38
                +2
                You called me a freebie - I have been working for more than 20 years, 10 of them in Siberia. The working day is often more than 11 hours, tomorrow I also work on the weekend. Studied for 17 years. While others walked with friends or girls, I sat at the books.
                I didn’t get anything from the budget - an apartment, a car - I bought everything for my money and I have a pension of 9 tr Thank you for a brighter future.
            3. Captain45
              Captain45 3 February 2018 00: 08
              0
              Quote: yehat
              it can every citizen of the Russian Federation every year thousands of 80 rubles to be deposited into the account only through excise taxes on oil, but there is also gas, timber, metals, etc.

              Usually at night they opened the window and shouted "Freebie, come!" Try it, it can work out laughing
          3. Alexey Polyansky
            Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 39
            +1
            Russia cannot be compared with any countries because Russia is the richest country in the world by natural wealth. We must very much want that in Russia, there are more than 2 million working citizens.
          4. Greenwood
            Greenwood 4 February 2018 08: 36
            0
            Quote: Petr1968
            That is, Russia is your bottom-bottom ??
            The standard of living is at the level of Latin American countries, and this is essentially the Third World.
            Quote: Petr1968
            among the countries of the former USSR
            In the same Kazakhstan, about the same level.
            Quote: Petr1968
            The level of sovereignty is one of the highest in the world.
            Nifiga like that. Throwing between East and West, tryndezh about investments, "partners", expression of concern. At the same time, Russia constantly suffers from jokes or outright humiliation from countries that in Soviet times were afraid to utter a peep against the USSR. Entered the WTO, we continue to buy American securities, and the ruble is pegged to the dollar and oil prices.
            Quote: Petr1968
            Compare Venezuela, where Russia also sells oil.
            Venezuela was led by the dubious reforms of Chavez and the openly mediocre leadership of Maduro. Let's better compare with Saudi Arabia, the UAE or Qatar.
            Quote: Petr1968
            They give toilet paper on a coupon, we have the most sales of Mercedes.
            All these Mercedeses are sold within Moscow. Moscow lives its own special life, radically different from life in the regions, especially east of the Urals.
      2. VladGashek
        VladGashek 2 February 2018 18: 19
        +4
        And people are impoverished, unemployment is growing, governors are being jailed for bribery, capital is flowing abroad, there is growing hopelessness among young people and, as a result, drug addiction. GDP does not have a sane team. There are a bunch of loyal people who are ready, in which case, to sell it. Look at the party "EdRo", where you see the statesmen. Some are opportunists, demagogues, and budget cutters.
        1. Alexey Polyansky
          Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 26
          +2
          And who sits in a thought from EP. singers and all who do not understand anything in the laws. Putin not only does not guarantee the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens, but also violates the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 3 February 2018 00: 09
          +1
          Quote: Vladgashek
          But people are impoverished, unemployment is growing, governors are being jailed for bribery, capital is flowing abroad, among young people is hopelessness and, as a result, drug addiction.

          You can already wrap yourself in a sheet and put on white slippers belay ?
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 15: 39
      +5
      A normal president should have one company-people! Then no groupings are needed!
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 2 February 2018 16: 48
        0
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        A normal president should have one company-people! Then no groupings are needed

        Or maybe the president is not needed? Let the people rule. Why do we need a gasket.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 2 February 2018 17: 00
          +1
          Quote: Petr1968
          Or maybe the president is not needed? Let the people rule. Why do we need a gasket.

          Listen to Baba Valya!
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 2 February 2018 17: 37
            -1
            They listened.
            So "Baba Valya" is the one who will advise how to govern the country "
            Awesome.
            Only it was already repeatedly - such a standard unclean propaganda device to attract the sympathies of certain sections of society.
            Precisely such “women of Vali” in the 90s were confidently broadcasting from the screen about the right choice in a referendum, about the famous “Yes. Yes, no, yes.”
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 2 February 2018 17: 42
              +4
              Quote: Mestny
              So "Baba Valya" is the one who will advise how to govern the country "

              I was personally pleased with the fact that there are people (already aged) in the Russian outback who sensibly assess the situation in the country. hi
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 3 February 2018 00: 08
                +1
                They cannot evaluate the situation in the country in any way, since they are sitting in one place, and the country is huge.
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 2 February 2018 18: 49
          +1
          And this is an idea! Indeed, already in the history of Russia there was an experience of truly national self-government.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 2 February 2018 19: 08
            +5
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            And this is an idea! Indeed, already in the history of Russia there was an experience of truly national self-government.

            After all, the Grudinin block is what it offers!
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 2 February 2018 16: 53
      +7
      Quote: yehat
      Putin now does not have an adequate team in a number of areas - economics, defense production, social programs, and medicine.

      for 18 years he did not collect, for the next 6 - he certainly did not collect
    4. Alexey Polyansky
      Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 42
      +4
      Not true. Putin has an adequate team to rob Russia and its citizens.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 4 February 2018 08: 39
        0
        why are you so? These are "socially responsible businessmen."
  39. Igor V
    Igor V 2 February 2018 15: 01
    +5
    Thank you for the article, interesting and fully reflecting the realities. Comments are mostly not interesting. Information stuffing is being discussed. As for the media, the news on Mayak struck: "P. went there, J. met with something, S. stated that, the CANDIDATE from the Communist Party visited that." The impression that there is a ban on the pronunciation of the candidate's last name. And this is an administrative resource in action. Unpleasant.
    As for me, I like the current president when he joins Crimea, when he distributes awards in Syria, but I don’t like when he opens the board to a leader who has been pouring mud on my homeland all his life, when, in unison with the first minister, he says that he is satisfied with the current economy ... That economy in which you can bankrupt any company of your choice. In order to somehow support the country's defense, state-owned corporations based on socialist methods were invented. Who does he deceive if he has to circumvent the system at the state level?
    And in the program K from the Communist Party there is an understanding of processes and steps to overcome.
  40. Radikal
    Radikal 2 February 2018 15: 12
    +5
    In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.
    Author: Alexander (My address)
    good drinks
  41. Igor V
    Igor V 2 February 2018 15: 33
    +5
    I would also like to draw attention to the crisis of political parties in the country. The two main parties were unable to single out a presidential candidate from their ranks. But if the incumbent deliberately pulled away from EP (who will vote for the party of officials), then the Communist Party made a “horseback move”: the candidate is not from their ranks, and the party supports it. How can one not recall the "indestructible bloc of communists and non-partisans"! And perhaps it will work. Maybe not this time, but later?
  42. Stanislas
    Stanislas 2 February 2018 15: 52
    0
    the state needs an engineer or an economist, or an agrarian, or a graduate of a military military training institution. Those. the one who was taught to WORK WITH PEOPLE and material means.
    Neither an engineer, nor an economist, nor an agrarian, as a rule, are trained to work with people. According to the author’s definition “WITH PEOPLE AND MATERIAL MEANS”, V.V. Putin.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 2 February 2018 16: 56
      +1
      Especially. that we already had an agrarian. This talented combiner who knows how to work with people quickly flushed a great country into the toilet.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 3 February 2018 10: 40
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        we already had an agrarian
        Corn Khrushchev, too, "with an agrarian bias" was ... Definitely the country is not lucky for farmers at the helm))
    2. Alexey Polyansky
      Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 19
      0
      Putin’s training is genocide against Russian citizens for the sake of his brotherhood.
  43. komrad buh
    komrad buh 2 February 2018 15: 54
    0
    No matter how you talk, Putin will still be
  44. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 February 2018 15: 58
    +2
    [quote = sibiralt] Grudinin billionaire? belay
    Well, it depends which side to look at. lol
    [/ quote
    Dear Sibirlat, Grudin is a beggar, but for a Pontus he pretended to be a billionaire. And the pictures are good, I like the top
  45. Monarchist
    Monarchist 2 February 2018 16: 22
    +2
    Quote: A resident of the Urals
    Super. Respect. Once upon a time on this site a lot of smart and sober people exchanged opinions, often opposed, with respect for each other - this was not even discussed. Now rudeness in an open or veiled form is booming. Moreover, the Communists have the same rejection of any other opinion as the extreme liberals - they have no arguments - we are not able to politely express our point of view - we begin to pour mud. Thank God this is a marginal part of society and does not affect anything in our country - only on forums they can pour out their hatred ... Honestly, I think I’m going to get out of here ...

    Do not forget to leave the address. But seriously, many of us do not have a culture of dialogue and: "who is not the one with us ...", but here who does not agree with me means it must be fucked up. And this is not very beautiful.
    As you know: "truth is born in a dispute"
  46. Alsur
    Alsur 2 February 2018 16: 29
    +2
    The author contradicts himself, enumerated what the leader needs and then refuted himself, citing the example of Stalin. If we take into account only the organizational potential of the latter, then there are not many such people in history, but he does not meet the above requirements, nevertheless. Ready anyway, Grudinin, not Stalin.
    1. Alexey Polyansky
      Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 17
      +1
      Grudinin is better than Putin. Ptin is an enemy to the citizens of Russia and Russia.
  47. Mestny
    Mestny 2 February 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: robinson
    Such opinions endlessly smile. Actually, the entrepreneur is the only profession that involves legal enrichment. Blaming the entrepreneur for wealth is like blaming a soldier for murder.

    No, no, no! No one reproaches him. Under capitalism, this is completely normal - an entrepreneur, personally enrichment.
    Under capitalism.
    However, this citizen is against capitalism, and vows to give us at least socialism ..
    How's that?
    Here in his own words to the question "where did the money come from" - "money from the sale of land in the suburbs, on which I built the entire infrastructure of my farm."
    Well, fine, well done.
    But then here's what - "I want to extend this technique to all of Russia."
    How shoud I understand this? Raise the whole of Russia - there will not be enough land in the suburbs.
    Anyway, land, is there enough for sale in general in Russia with this approach?
    Yes, here the most notorious liberals nervously smoke around the corner of the American embassy. They even speak frankly about friendship with the West, read the sale of everything that remains.
    And then what?
    1. dSK
      dSK 2 February 2018 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Mestny
      I want to extend this technique to all of Russia.

      Change of course by 180 degrees. He voted about 10 years ago for Zyuganov, when he sang about "nationalization". He will soon resign and the new "leader" - the second Kudrin, for the total sale of the remnants of state property. The Chinese will buy in the Urals and Siberia, "the question of price." Sell ​​- eat.And what will the descendants say? It is necessary to educate decent and honest.
  48. turbris
    turbris 2 February 2018 17: 27
    0
    But I will not criticize the author, although it’s an ungrateful task to bring any criteria for the presidency - this is a piece of goods, and here it’s lucky. Yeltsin is ideally suited to the criteria voiced so what? And I respect the author for the choice made, but I will not vote for Grudinin, he does not meet my criteria. It is always nice to talk with people who have their own opinions, and not with "critics" who do not offer anything.
  49. Overlock
    Overlock 2 February 2018 17: 53
    +2
    all fundamental differences in this controversy boil down to:
    1. Grudinin - a millionaire (oligarch), Putin - a beggar
    2. No one knows Grudinin, everyone knows Putin
    3. The country is sliding towards stagnation - the country is growing.
    4. Corruption must be fought - corruption, an attribute of power, must be reconciled with it.
    5. on trifles, of which there are thousands
    The arguments on both sides are weighty.
    For a moment, imagine the incredible:
    Putin made ALL of his earnings public, because it’s not in vain that his candidate’s dissertation was classified, although this waste paper doesn’t mean anything. You can find some information about his income (an interview with the daughter of St. Petersburg Litvinenko, rector of the mountain university).
    On the box, Grudinin shows in the same tones and on the same channels.
    Rosstat, the Central Bank show the true state of affairs in the country.
    Corruptionists are really starting to be pressed, as is done in South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and China.
    Then there would be a real competition of ideas, a real choice.
    I’m not sure that in this case the aggressive majority will not be re-trained in flight.
    Someone has already mentioned at once that all the issues around which there is controversy are hiding before every election.
    And why? Because nothing changes. And it's hard to change something.
    As Grandfather Lenin said: "Each power is only worth something if it can defend itself."
    Now this power is defending itself against Grudinin, from those dissatisfied with this power and it will not give up its positions without a fight.
    So do not argue, but the main task of the government is self-preservation at any cost and the outcome of the elections is predictable.
    The only question is what percentages will be, true, and not drawn. Even if we never see them, HE sees them. And for the sake of this it is worth making your choice.
    A rolling stone gathers no moss.
    1. Alexey Polyansky
      Alexey Polyansky 2 February 2018 23: 12
      +2
      Elections
      with the participation of V. Putin violate the rights and freedoms of citizens of Russia and other presidential candidates. Guided by Article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, all are equal before the law. If President Putin wants to run for election, he must take a vacation for the duration of the campaign. To the media stopped advertising Putin. Not only have they illegally refused to accept the documents of Putin’s main rival, Navalny, but Putin’s media has also poured dirt on other presidential candidates. Do not turn on which channel, Putin is praised everywhere and his rivals are poured mud. Why the media do not tell Russian citizens that Russian President V. Putin not only does not fulfill his constitutional duties and his oath given to him during his inauguration to defend the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of citizens, but he himself violates the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens . President Putin has established a regime in Russia much worse than the fascist one. Hitler, in the name of his people, destroyed other nations. Putin, in the name of his pocket and the pockets of his friends, created the conditions for the complete or partial physical destruction of the indigenous population of Russia. Putin everywhere declares that now is not the 37th year when he needs to stop the criminal acts of his brothers and massively prosecute those who oppose his regime. Guided by Article 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the only source of power in Russia is its multinational people. In violation of Art. 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the term of re-election of the president and deputies was extended, and President Putin took over the power to appoint judges. Only a referendum had the right to agree to extend the term of office of the president and deputies. Only the people have the right to elect the judiciary. The judiciary, knowing that Russian President V. Putin will not give judges offense, has evolved from the judiciary to an organized, corrupt, criminal community. Judges, committing crimes, make obviously unjust decisions, base their criminal acts on inner conviction. But the honest man’s inner conviction is one, and the criminal’s other. Officials of the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation and the IC of the Russian Federation, covering crimes of judges, commit crimes. In order not to be unfounded, I am reporting the crimes of the judge of the Novopokrovsky district court N. Sapega and several judges of the Kropotkinsk city court: Zabrodin, Zhalybin, Voloshin and others. I also report the crime to two court chairmen who received such posts for the crimes committed. 1. The chairman of the Zvenigorod city court of the Moscow region, S. Kuznetsov. 2. Chairman of the Caucasian District Court of the Krasnodar Territory, Tsitsurin. If necessary, I will send statements about the crime to other judges, prosecutors and officials of the RF IC.
      If the above judges consider my statement to be slanderous, I’m ready in an open court hearing with the participation of the press and the public, showing the court hearing directly on television, to present conclusive evidence of their crimes and the crimes of those who covered them.
      Elections
      with the participation of V. Putin violate the rights and freedoms of citizens of Russia and other presidential candidates. Guided by Article 19 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, all are equal before the law. If President Putin wants to run for election, he must take a vacation for the duration of the campaign. To the media stopped advertising Putin. Not only have they illegally refused to accept the documents of Putin’s main rival, Navalny, but Putin’s media has also poured dirt on other presidential candidates. Do not turn on which channel, Putin is praised everywhere and his rivals are poured mud. Why the media do not tell Russian citizens that Russian President V. Putin not only does not fulfill his constitutional duties and his oath given to him during his inauguration to defend the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of citizens, but he himself violates the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens . President Putin has established a regime in Russia much worse than the fascist one. Hitler, in the name of his people, destroyed other nations. Putin, in the name of his pocket and the pockets of his friends, created the conditions for the complete or partial physical destruction of the indigenous population of Russia. Putin everywhere declares that now is not the 37th year when he needs to stop the criminal acts of his brothers and massively prosecute those who oppose his regime. Guided by Article 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the only source of power in Russia is its multinational people. In violation of Art. 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the term of re-election of the president and deputies was extended, and President Putin took over the power to appoint judges. Only a referendum had the right to agree to extend the term of office of the president and deputies. Only the people have the right to elect the judiciary. The judiciary, knowing that Russian President V. Putin will not give judges offense, has evolved from the judiciary to an organized, corrupt, criminal community. Judges, committing crimes, make obviously unjust decisions, base their criminal acts on inner conviction. But the honest man’s inner conviction is one, and the criminal’s other. Officials of the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation and the IC of the Russian Federation, covering crimes of judges, commit crimes. In order not to be unfounded, I am reporting the crimes of the judge of the Novopokrovsky district court N. Sapega and several judges of the Kropotkinsk city court: Zabrodin, Zhalybin, Voloshin and others. I also report the crime to two court chairmen who received such posts for the crimes committed. 1. The chairman of the Zvenigorod city court of the Moscow region, S. Kuznetsov. 2. Chairman of the Caucasian District Court of the Krasnodar Territory, Tsitsurin. If necessary, I will send statements about the crime to other judges, prosecutors and officials of the RF IC.
      If the above judges consider my statement to be slanderous, I’m ready in an open court hearing with the participation of the press and the public, showing the court hearing directly on television, to present conclusive evidence of their crimes and the crimes of those who covered them.
      I don’t know whether Grudinin will be a good president or not, but Putin is the president of all those who have organized money and continue to rob Russian citizens.
      1. kapitan92
        kapitan92 2 February 2018 23: 38
        +6
        Quote: Alexey Polyansky
        I am reporting the crimes of the judge of the Novopokrovsky district court N. Sapega and several judges of the Kropotkinsk city court: Zabrodin, Zhalybin, Voloshin and others. I also report the crime to two court chairmen who received such posts for the crimes committed. 1. The chairman of the Zvenigorod city court of the Moscow region, S. Kuznetsov. 2. Chairman of the Caucasian District Court of the Krasnodar Territory, Tsitsurin. If necessary, I will send statements about the crime to other judges, prosecutors and officials of the RF IC.

        You declare in other bodiesWhy are you doing a "clowning" here, applicant. If you are so offended by Putin, contact the ECHR, or take the advice of O. Bender and declare yourself in the "World League for Sexual Reforms." laughing
  50. flicker
    flicker 2 February 2018 17: 59
    +3
    In general, as a pensioner with experience, as a former worker, as a former manager, as an engineer, I am for Grudinina.
    Author: Alexander (My address)

    Earnestly!!!!
    But for even more persuasiveness, a certificate ... from the doctor ...