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VNIIRA creates a computer for the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation entirely from domestic components

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It became known about the development of a new domestic computer for the needs of the military and rescuers. Interfax Information Service сообщаетthat the works are in the final stage. They are led by representatives of the Research Institute of Radio Equipment, part of the concern Almaz-Antey. Concern CEO Yan Novikov notes that the new computer is created exclusively on the Russian element base.


According to Jan Novikov, all computer units, from the case to the microcircuits, are domestically produced.

VNIIRA creates a computer for the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation entirely from domestic components


The words of the general director of the concern are quoted by Interfax:
This will completely eliminate any theoretically possible extraneous influence on the operation of a computer. We count on interest in the new development from the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia. In the future, a separate production line may be opened for the production of new computing equipment.


No other development details are currently provided.

The VNII Radio Apparatus specializes in the development, production, commissioning and maintenance of automated systems and ATS facilities for various control zones, systems and secondary radar facilities, navigation aids, automatic flight control systems, integrated circuits of microwave devices, etc.
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https://twitter.com/VNIIRAJSC/
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  1. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 31 January 2018 16: 54 New
    +6
    This is called hackers hello, come back tomorrow. smile
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 31 January 2018 17: 04 New
      15
      These are the news that are most pleasing, as they say, because we can when we want, and yet thanks a lot to the sanctions.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 1 February 2018 01: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Giant thought
        These are the news that are most pleasing, as they say, because we can when we want, and yet thanks a lot to the sanctions.


        if these sanctions were to be imposed on us in the 90th year ... then our gaming computers riveted with a bang. Who else remembers - "Sinclair" was called ... Our craftsmen made them not even thousands - tens of thousands! They simply earned crazy money at that time. Only a few years later, the industry tried to get involved in this race with computers ...

        And about the Internet - I read an interview with our computer specialist - I don’t remember a year, but about 86-88. So he said there that they are developing technology - you turn on the TV in the “socket” and you can watch movies, choose access to information in libraries around the world, communicate via TV ... So in the Union then they “kept up” and stood on the “threshold” of all these achievements of our time and at the end of our brains were some of the best in the world. hi
        1. SEER
          SEER 2 February 2018 08: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Yuyuka

          if these sanctions were to be imposed on us in the 90th year ... then our gaming computers riveted with a bang. Who else remembers - "Sinclair" was called ... Our craftsmen made them not even thousands - tens of thousands! They simply earned crazy money at that time. Only a few years later, the industry tried to get involved in this race with computers ...

          I, as from an emergency (November 1989), came and tried to recover at the institute, but it was too late — even the end of November. because 9 months worked at a construction site.
          started as an auxiliary bricklayer and ended already as:
          concrete worker, reinforcer, slinger, vibrator unit operator, electric welder, formwork specialist, pressure equipment specialist ... foreman assistant.
          Do you have any questions about the construction of the 8th workshop of the factory named after March 8 in the Central District of Volgograd? Not?? I thought so .. there is now like an elite shopping center settled.
          Then I again tried to recover at the institute ... Live, as the Japanese say ...
          Hit the "South Special Automation", Development Department.
          It was then that I riveted those "Sinclair" (St. Petersburg version) as a robot. But first, I calculated the manufacture of the case for the power supply for it from two pieces of available material - steel st3 0,5 mm, with one hit and two halves at once. it turned out, the PSU turned out to be even sympathetic :-) I don’t know how many I soldered these “Sinclair”, but it seems to be a lot ... very well let 1 thousand. In addition, I still had time to learn from my teacher - Viktor Firsov. Vott was definitely a genius! As a specialist and as a teacher. He explained the basics of digital technology almost on the fingers. No one has ever talked to me so intelligibly and without the use of a freely convertible Russian. all that he said I remember so far.
          By the way, on the first working day they put me behind SM1031M and all the people left for some kind of facility. I guessed for a couple of hours to start fdisk with the M key (fdisk.exe / m) and zaparaffin to zero hdd as much as a whole 20 MB) and there it was .... rus of monitors, printers and a bunch of shnyaga firmware ...
          Vitya when he arrived said: you’ll go far ... so I still don’t part with computers at all.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 2 February 2018 17: 24 New
            0
            concrete worker, reinforcer, slinger, vibrator unit operator, electric welder, formwork specialist, pressure equipment specialist ... foreman assistant.

            good Soviet education in one word! They told us at the institute - “we want you not to cram the material, but to have an idea about it and be able to work with it - know“ how ”and“ where to get it. ”We were taught there isn’t such“ I can’t and I don’t know ”, there is "I can not yet" laughing since then too many things had to be mastered ... the main thing was never fear of a new one, on the contrary, there was always a desire to learn. Therefore, when I look at today's highly specialized "education" my heart is bleeding - the generation of "egeniks" sometimes just kills with their knowledge ... hi
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 31 January 2018 17: 04 New
      +5
      Well, the Russian processor has long been developed and not one, if I’m not mistaken, "Elbrus", "Baikal" ... The main desire of the government and other structures, and there is everything! For a long time already it was necessary to transfer all government agencies to domestic computer equipment and software .. After all, all this office equipment is critical at any moment, EVERYTHING will just stand up! There bookmarks have long been waiting in the wings .. bully
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 31 January 2018 17: 10 New
        12
        Only the technology of these processors 10-15 years ago.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 31 January 2018 17: 16 New
          18
          Quote: tchoni
          Only the technology of these processors 10-15 years ago.

          Mom said? Or heard on the radio laughing
          1. NOMADE
            NOMADE 31 January 2018 17: 24 New
            14
            Specifications have long been published. For the military application of the standards, but in the "citizen", this is no longer competitive ..
          2. 100502
            100502 31 January 2018 17: 31 New
            +7
            It’s enough to look at the process technology, do not disgrace yourself with your stupidity, and it’s not news for the student that this bottom is grown over a hill
            1. Genry
              Genry 31 January 2018 18: 12 New
              10
              Quote: 100502
              It’s enough to look at the process technology, do not disgrace yourself with your stupidity, and it’s not news for the student that this bottom is grown over a hill

              You have not yet learned to write respectfully!
              If you are so advanced, why didn’t you develop your processor and deploy its production? Tryndet "... do not toss the bags."
              Here you have clearly shown yourself as an insignificant person who is trying to raise his self-esteem by crying something.
              1. 100502
                100502 31 January 2018 18: 34 New
                +5
                Respect you did not deserve
                1. Genry
                  Genry 31 January 2018 18: 35 New
                  +8
                  We didn’t drink at the Brudershaft, and I don’t know your wife ...
          3. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 31 January 2018 19: 45 New
            +8
            [quote = Vladimir16] [quote = tchoni] Only the technologies of these processors are 10-15 years old. [/ quote]
            Well, not in tanks and shooters, we will play on them then .. heh heh These processors are designed for another and will fulfill their function at 100% And even with a margin.
            1. vadson
              vadson 31 January 2018 20: 51 New
              +1
              here is a real approach, 10 years old computers are suitable for office tasks, RAMs are just bigger. enough for computing and server tasks too. But how are things with processors that should work in real time 24 \ 7 \ 31 \ 365 is the question? there architecture is different in the process
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 1 February 2018 00: 57 New
                0
                If stumps are normal with this, then Baikal, sharpened for real-time systems, will cope.
                A real-time system is more like an OS.
        2. ZAV69
          ZAV69 31 January 2018 18: 32 New
          +5
          I will tell you a little secret: for most tasks this is enough for the eyes, the main thing is not to get carried away with beautiful things.
          1. Blackbeard
            Blackbeard 31 January 2018 19: 06 New
            +2
            Elbrus of the latest versions is not bad for itself (8-core). Even Windows can be used if necessary. But in order to be at the level of competitors in terms of performance, you need to have at least some more or less normal consumer base. And not all the time to sit on government money.
        3. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 31 January 2018 19: 25 New
          11
          Almost to the topic. It was today. Before me on the table is a bourgeois resistor size 1206 and our 1P-12-0,25. I control the resistance of the device. I heat the bourgeois chip with the mounting hairdryer — a consumer-use resistor purchased in Chip and Deep. It stands rooted to the spot. I warm our, with acceptance "5". Swam to minus, almost 1,5 times. I open the directory, and they are all there (!) By TKS sorted. In the list of circuits for this resistor, the index is "U". Now we need to issue a notice on the circuit so that from now on they put chip resistors 1P-12-0,25 ....- "L". At least so. Wake up, cheers!
      2. dog breeder
        dog breeder 31 January 2018 17: 11 New
        +2
        MIKHAN Today, 17: 04 ↑ New
        Well, the Russian processor has long been developed and not one, if I’m not mistaken, "Elbrus", "Baikal" ... The main desire of the government and other structures, and there is everything! For a long time already it was necessary to transfer all government agencies to domestic computer equipment and software .. After all, all this office equipment is critical at any moment, EVERYTHING will just stand up! There bookmarks have long been waiting in the wings ..
        Judging by what the State Department is doing, this is the next step.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 31 January 2018 19: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: dog breeder
          Judging by what the State Department is doing, this is the next step.

          I know ... And for a long time I feel that something is not happening with the technology.
      3. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 31 January 2018 17: 58 New
        10
        but for some reason these processors are manufactured in Taiwan
      4. Angara
        Angara 1 February 2018 16: 05 New
        +2
        Hello! MIKHAN, as far as Elbrus is concerned, the stones are completely our Zvezda and Oktyabr factories and our OS on the basis of Lunix for servers and solid-state workers are foreign but closed source products for the military-industrial complex and public services, but the Baikal-Taiwan shnyaga based on Smart kernels
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 31 January 2018 17: 23 New
      19
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      This is called hackers hello, come back tomorrow. smile

      Ours can fellow
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 31 January 2018 16: 58 New
    +6
    that a new computer is created exclusively on the Russian element base.
    I’m glad that the price of this device will be great, but the process is going in the right direction
    1. AID.S
      AID.S 31 January 2018 17: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I’m glad that the price of this device will be great

      Really expensive, complete with Su-57.
  3. Artek
    Artek 31 January 2018 16: 58 New
    +8
    This crap on the ears in Russia does not make modern processors.
    1. allaykbar
      allaykbar 31 January 2018 17: 00 New
      +7
      http://www.mcst.ru/

      http://multiklet.dk.ru/about
    2. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 31 January 2018 17: 03 New
      13
      didn’t hear anything about Elbrus? Check out for overall development.
      Elbrus-4C - performance up to 50 Gflops.
      Elbrus-8S - Peak performance of the microcircuit (32 bits, single accuracy) 250 Gflops.
      Elbrus-8SV the beginning of mass production in 2018.
      Peak performance of the chip (32 bits, single precision) 576 Gflops.
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 31 January 2018 17: 04 New
        +3
        Elbrus is ours, yes. There is one more - but they’re not doing it in Russia

        https://www.baikalelectronics.ru/

        1. Genry
          Genry 31 January 2018 18: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: allaykbar
          Elbrus is ours, yes. There is one more - but they’re not doing it in Russia

          https://www.baikalelectronics.ru/

          You obviously have a cognitive dissonance .... Start about Elbrus, and sculpt the link to another company with Baikal.
          What does it mean they’re not doing in Russia. If baking a crystal in your place replaces the entire production cycle, and everything else is unnecessary and meaningless emptiness, then you can safely deny your existence, since you are not doing anything at all (why do you have to pay your salary, you have to stop). But part of your work, albeit scanty, indirectly allowed you to create this processor.
          1. allaykbar
            allaykbar 31 January 2018 18: 26 New
            +1
            about Elbrus the link above was.

            And the rest of your post is not for me
            1. Genry
              Genry 31 January 2018 18: 34 New
              0
              Write is not ambiguous monosyllabic ...
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 31 January 2018 17: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Artek
      This crap on the ears in Russia does not make modern processors.

      But where are we, the Scythians wild.
      There is a question in the dimension of the step, as I understand it. Still lagging behind, but not deadly. So what are our years.
    4. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 17: 35 New
      +7
      This is a fact, those characters from urapatriots who fantasize about themselves are not really mad at me
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 January 2018 18: 05 New
        11
        Quote: 100502
        This is a fact, those characters from urapatriots who fantasize about themselves are not really mad at me

        But my question is real - if you are enraged, so why climb here? The site is not created for such. I, too, are enraged by comrades who are "unrealistic" unable to write. Divorced savage egashnyh.
        1. Morozyaka
          Morozyaka 31 January 2018 19: 10 New
          +4
          Moreover, most often they themselves create only waste products. How many countries in the world create their own processors? I think no. But after all, many need op - and create only the best. And if this something suddenly really turns out to be the best in the world, they will say: “Yes, it’s probably again about the lack of analogs.” Ugh on such people, it’s already disgusting.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 31 January 2018 20: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Morozyaka
            How many countries in the world create their own processors?

            There is only one country - Russia, and even American processors were created by Russian scientists in the Soviet era. The Americans polished the technology, carried out miniaturization, but at the same time, the architecture of all Western processors (and they were created according to a single architecture) was created by Russian scientists.
            1. Morozyaka
              Morozyaka 31 January 2018 22: 41 New
              +2
              Hmm ... I didn't know. It will be necessary to search for information. It would be interesting if this is true.
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: iliitch
          Quote: 100502
          This is a fact, those characters from urapatriots who fantasize about themselves are not really mad at me

          But my question is real - if you are enraged, so why climb here? The site is not created for such. I, too, are enraged by comrades who are "unrealistic" unable to write. Divorced savage egashnyh.


          The site is military-technical.
          But not a stranger obsessive ...
          Many USE experts, odds will give the generals real in terms of understanding the realities of modern ...
          I'm under 50.
          I am familiar with many areas. previously led many military men down to the generals.
          smart ones are units.
          the most intelligent - to the captain.
          Older - everything ... the pipe.
          And you involuntarily marvel at folk wisdom, which clearly explained everything ...
          In the sayings. jokes, and jokes.
      2. Genry
        Genry 31 January 2018 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: 100502
        This is a fact, those characters from urapatriots who fantasize about themselves are not really mad at me

        If someone switches to a squeal against a business that is developing well, then the business is going right!
        Nice to lose your mind !!!
        1. 100502
          100502 31 January 2018 18: 40 New
          +4
          Of course, everything is exactly right there generally) you are always needed, for the background, in principle, such news is prepared for you) to create the background
          1. Genry
            Genry 31 January 2018 18: 57 New
            +5
            Creating a background is your job. I destroy this fake background.
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Genry
              Creating a background is your job. I destroy this fake background.


              You paid by the State Department for the background of Urya-patriotism. which destroys the natural patriotism of the population, bringing patriotism to the extreme degree of denial ...

              You are the enemy of the country.
      3. Blackbeard
        Blackbeard 31 January 2018 19: 10 New
        +3
        is it better to be an all-crawler? In my opinion it is necessary to balance somewhere in the middle what
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 16 New
          +6
          Quote: blackbeard
          is it better to be an all-crawler? In my opinion it is necessary to balance somewhere in the middle what

          All the prowlers are not here.
          We just have two extremes as usual.
          Paid Urya-patriotics (because I don’t understand how you can live in our country. To see. What happens and all the same life with bonnets)
          и
          normal people. who see the pros and cons.
          and who understand that Urya leads to stagnation. and only reasonable criticism leads to development.
          We need development. and not winning trials, for which there is nothing.

          and us too. - note dodges. enemies of the Russian state, write down in every way ... racers ...

          This is a little annoying.
          But do not care.
          Shit should be called shit, and not sing him praises according to the manuals.
    5. AID.S
      AID.S 31 January 2018 17: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Artek
      This crap on the ears in Russia does not make modern processors.

      They are not made for mining.
    6. Antokha
      Antokha 1 February 2018 00: 25 New
      +1
      It’s a pity you can’t minus here
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  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 January 2018 17: 00 New
    +3
    Finally! No Chinese and other accessories. Inverted, solid state drives. Something I have not heard about the Russian "hard drives" ...
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 31 January 2018 17: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Something I have not heard about the Russian "hard drives" ...

      Gophers, they, this, is.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: iliitch
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Something I have not heard about the Russian "hard drives" ...

        Gophers, they, this, is.

        Where...
        tell it to us ...
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 31 January 2018 22: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: ZVO
          Where...

          Where? In the holes!
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 31 January 2018 23: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: KaPToC
            Quote: ZVO
            Where...

            Where? In the holes!


            You pushed it powerfully. Kartos!
            Plus you a million .. for garlic ..

            Z, S More than 1 does not work.

            well, at least not in the "mother's mink" ...
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 31 January 2018 23: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: ZVO
              well, at least not in the "mother's mink" ...

              This option was also considered, I will not voice so as not to get another ban. Moderators - adversaries - do not allow people to have fun after work.
              1. iliitchitch
                iliitchitch 1 February 2018 01: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: KaPToC
                Moderators - adversaries - do not allow people to have fun after work.

                Yes, in general animals. Do not say a word - grab the trunk drinks
    2. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 17: 44 New
      +3
      You didn’t know the main thing, one of their PCs will replace 1000 imported analogs, there is a neutron processor in general there)))) the main thing is not to look inside, otherwise you can’t avoid a heart attack)))
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 31 January 2018 17: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Something I have not heard about the Russian "hard drives" ...

      Magnetic Winchesters have no future; this is an anachronism. Now they are starting to use solid state drives.
      The domestic holding GS Group announced its own development of Russia's first 2.5 '' SSD drive with a capacity of 256 Gigabytes and a SATA 3.0 interface. In 2017, a valid prototype will be presented and mass production will begin at the Russian holding plant.

      The developers emphasize that the device will be fully manufactured in our country, which will exclude any “bookmarks” and access from abroad to data stored on disk. The holding’s production facilities in the Russian Federation allow it to produce up to 1 million Russian SSD drives per year. According to GS Group representatives, the first Russian SSD will be 256 GB with a maximum sequential read speed of up to 550 Mb / s and sequential write of up to 450 Mb / s. Own controller, hardware and software, design, packaging of memory modules, installation of components, delivery of all components up to the case - for the first time everything will be united within the framework of one group of Russian manufacturers included in the holding
      1. Beby
        Beby 31 January 2018 18: 36 New
        +2
        Why are you writing bullshit?
        Quote: dvina71
        Magnetic Winchesters have no future; this is an anachronism.

        HDD, in comparison with SSD, so far, have significantly greater capacity and reliability of data storage.
        Quote: dvina71
        Own controller, hardware and software, design, packaging of memory modules, installation of components, delivery of all components up to the case

        But about the chips themselves (Die / Wafer), not a word here - i.e. microcircuits will be foreign. Then the following statement is just a lie:
        Quote: dvina71
        excludes any “bookmarks” and access from abroad to data stored on disk

        Or can you point to a plant in the Russian Federation that is capable of producing transceivers for SATA 3.0 (6 GBit / s SerDes)?
        1. Genry
          Genry 31 January 2018 19: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Beby
          HDD, in comparison with SSD, so far, have significantly greater capacity and reliability of data storage.

          It was about the fact that this technology, for deployment from scratch, has no future.
          Yes, flash memory is crap, but there are already promising technologists of reliable and unlimited storage arrays in cycles.
          Quote: Beby
          But about the chips themselves (Die / Wafer), not a word here - i.e. microcircuits will be foreign. Then the following statement is just a lie:

          Regular structures in the form of storage arrays, you can safely order where it is more profitable. Bookmarking them is very easy. Logically complex devices of small sizes, you can also control and order crystals at least from Intel.
          Devices related to cryptography (bank cards, identifiers, ..., communication channel controllers) are necessarily only of their own production, and the dimension of technology does not play a role here.
          The whole world lives this way and the rationality of using their own or imported Russian products does not give you the right to call them foreign products.
          1. Beby
            Beby 31 January 2018 21: 44 New
            0
            Quote: Genry
            Logically sophisticated small devices

            As a rule, in such devices there is a microprocessor core, and here the premature task of monitoring the program appears: both the program itself and the “correctness” of its implementation in ROM.

            Quote: Genry
            order crystals at least from Intel.

            As far as I know, Intel FABs do not accept third-party orders yet (recently there was a discussion on electronix.ru/forum)


            Quote: Genry
            Regular structures in the form of storage arrays, you can safely order where it is more profitable.

            Arrays of RAM / Flash cells can be well controlled, but what about the Flash ROM controller (which is grown on the same Die (substrate)) - it’s very smart-ass, and it’s made on the basis of the processor element - i.e. the FlashROM chip program must somehow get into the “control” as well. And then it may suddenly turn out that this controller has “undocumented” commands - for factory testing: as it was, for example, with Actel chips.


            Quote: Genry
            Devices related to cryptography (bank cards, identifiers, ..., communication channel controllers) are necessarily only of their own production, and the dimension of technology does not play a role here.

            But I didn’t talk about “dimension” (if you mean microns / nm?). I pointed out the absence in the Russian Federation of Fabs capable of making 6GBit / s SerDes. Unfortunately, even the 1000Base-T Ethetnet Phy has not yet been reproduced in the Russian Federation, and in fact, it has been critical for domestic manufacturers of equipment for about 10 years - if I missed something, please correct me.

            As I understand it, they probably will not be able to design complex microcircuits at the transistor level on third-party Fabs - it’s very long and expensive + you must have access to very confidential information from production. Therefore, I think it is more likely to use various ASICs, so a number of blocks become “black boxes” (the same MultiGigabit Tranceivers), the giblets of which are usually not disclosed by ASIC manufacturers. Therefore, the problem of control arises: is there something “superfluous" that has grown there?
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: dvina71
        GS Group holding


        Do you even know what you’ve dropped the link about now?
        GS is just a dumb re-marker ...
        Nothing Russian except hands. not in it. no percent. no memory. no software ...
        and even no hands. Just Kaliningrad customs.
    4. Angara
      Angara 1 February 2018 15: 28 New
      0
      And what did our "screws" begin to do SSDshny ??? belay Where can I buy one ??? And then they sell any rubbish whose price does not match the quality and characteristics
  6. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 31 January 2018 17: 08 New
    +7
    And what kind of eighteen-odd years of lifting from his knees have not been created yet? I already thought we had already filled the markets and bazaars with our goods, but here it is how?
    1. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 17: 26 New
      +7
      This offer is from one sharashka to another, for cutting money, if there are people here who at least a little understand the subject, they all laugh at these characters, here they talked about Elbrus with baikals))) Ostap Bender did not even dream of such proportions.
      1. bk316
        bk316 31 January 2018 18: 09 New
        +4
        there are people who understand the subject a little bit,

        I correctly understood that you yourself do not attribute yourself to such people?
        Moreover honestly tell who you are
        Yes, and for the student is not news


        Commendable, only less balabolte.
        The price of space, the productivity of the bottom of non-tax in the world, Asians grow
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 31 January 2018 18: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: bk316
          Commendable, only less balabolte.

          Yes, the troll here with the saber popped up, he had to shake looking at night. Optimal - to score, he’ll calm down.
        2. 100502
          100502 31 January 2018 18: 47 New
          +4
          And you see the dreamer urapatriot from parallel reality, not indifferent to schoolchildren)
          1. Genry
            Genry 31 January 2018 20: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: 100502
            And you see the dreamer urapatriot from parallel reality, not indifferent to schoolchildren)

            When evaluating others, you are substituted for you. Primitively label everyone (as in kindergarten "you are kaka"). With fantasies, you are weak, they threw themselves into parallel reality (the law of relativity), with a painful attitude to the school issue and a severe form of persecution mania.
            Yes, you are not a cheer patriot ... Something smelling bad has stuck to your patriotism.
            1. Angara
              Angara 1 February 2018 15: 33 New
              0
              Do not get it. It already rang here. And to be honest, ours is better without flaws (closed source) than foreign with a slow remote mechanism (open source)
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 31 January 2018 20: 27 New
            +6
            Quote: 100502
            not indifferent to schoolchildren)

            The adjective "partial" has a single spelling. We start with the basics. yes
            1. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 31 January 2018 21: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Paranoid50
              The adjective "partial" has a single spelling. We start with the basics.

              Well I say - savages. So in one pocket a box of matches, in another knife, and in the taiga for a week. For starters - in August. If only the wolf berries did not overeat with hunger. A pound of raisins manna from heaven will then appear. Maybe then I want to learn the Russian language.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 31 January 2018 21: 20 New
                +4
                Quote: iliitch
                Maybe then I want to learn the Russian language.

                Taiga - a textbook, a bear - a teacher. laughing
                1. iliitchitch
                  iliitchitch 31 January 2018 21: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Paranoid50
                  Taiga - a textbook, a bear - a teacher.

                  And how material lucidly presents laughing . Once - and forever on the infa screw. This is not some geographer drank the globe.
            2. ZVO
              ZVO 31 January 2018 23: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Paranoid50
              Quote: 100502
              not indifferent to schoolchildren)

              The adjective "partial" has a single spelling. We start with the basics. yes


              The rule of communication on the Internet: When the opponent has nothing to say within the meaning, he begins to get to the bottom of spelling. For such a spelling artist used to beat his face in real life ... in the days of FIDO ...
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 31 January 2018 23: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: ZVO
                When the opponent has nothing to say within the meaning

                Well, in this case there was no hint of meaning. laughing Yes, a demon with her, with nonsense - even if at least correctly stated. And then we are worrying about the "rules of communication", and we are putting the rules of the Native (?) Language. request
    2. allaykbar
      allaykbar 31 January 2018 18: 23 New
      +2
      And what kind of eighteen-odd years of lifting from his knees have not been created yet? I already thought we had already filled the markets and bazaars with our goods, but here it is how?


      Well, you live in Belarus. What do you ask us about your rising rocks?

      But your milk still flooded our markets. Although who knows, how much is she "yours"
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 31 January 2018 19: 04 New
        0
        What’s wrong with the Belarusian milk? They have been selling it in the store a long time ago, but about the computer Made Made Russia, I haven’t heard something yet, so be more modest, comrade! More modest! She knows modesty and even adorns her. Well, when will you drink our milk so don’t forget that you wholeheartedly bored for syabry with computers ..
    3. Genry
      Genry 31 January 2018 19: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: sapporo1959
      And what kind of eighteen-odd years of lifting from his knees have not been created yet? I already thought we had already filled the markets and bazaars with our goods, but here it is how?

      It's nice to hear that you associate yourself with Russia. After all, a single power, according to the law ... But Lukashenko somehow doesn’t really like it now, the “father’s” has grown old. We also see your successes and see that the thing smells .... (I remember the pro-balts)
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 31 January 2018 22: 49 New
        0
        Well, regarding associations, this is to you, citizen Lukashenko! But about plowing, you don’t understand it either? Either it carries it firmly from you, or from the sausage with a bulb ...
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 31 January 2018 22: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Genry
        We also see your successes and see that the thing smells .... (I remember the pro-balts)

        And there (in the Baltic states), someone else lives, except for mushrooms in the forests and ali garhs in penthouses? It seems that all the local leaders did so that the people from there would self-catapult. There was a VEF factory, there was Zalgiris (and Garastas-Gomelsky in basketball was a good battle!). And now only 2 letters have remained - eh. However, this is so, nostalgia, Russia did not feel the absence of “three sisters”. What are they, what are not ... And why did the muddy waters, modestasas Paulauskasy?
  7. Simon
    Simon 31 January 2018 17: 18 New
    +1
    ABOUT! To the side of all importers, and even the Chinese good Now mine! wink
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 January 2018 17: 22 New
      +1
      The only question is price. And where is it made ...
      1. 100502
        100502 31 January 2018 17: 46 New
        +6
        The price of space, the productivity of the bottom of non-tax in the world, Asians grow
        1. bk316
          bk316 31 January 2018 18: 01 New
          +2
          The price of space, the productivity of the bottom of non-tax in the world, Asians grow

          There are no details in the article. Are you reading between the lines, or are you just jabbering?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 31 January 2018 18: 55 New
            +2
            Calm down, this is a troll.
            Maybe an ancient ukroshumer, or maybe just drunk. Does not matter.
            1. bk316
              bk316 31 January 2018 21: 02 New
              +5
              Calm down, this is a troll.

              Somehow it's a shame to hear this from people who are not at all in the subject.
              It's just that I myself have something to do with the same Elbrus laughing and drank a lot of vodka with the developers of Baikal.
              1. IL-18
                IL-18 31 January 2018 22: 08 New
                +1
                [quote = bk316] [quote] Calm down, I drank a lot of vodka. [/ quote] It would be better if they did the processor, rather than thumped it. They will stick to the budget, they won’t do it, and when the reporting moment arrives: our country is backward, can’t do anything, but give a salary and a bonus, because I didn’t succeed at the workplace, not at the pub. You don’t know how to work like this and write: I threw a resume, they hired me, but I didn’t, because unable to do anything.
  8. Simon
    Simon 31 January 2018 17: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Finally! No Chinese and other accessories. Inverted, solid state drives. Something I have not heard about the Russian "hard drives" ...

    Well, apparently soon we will see and hear! The main thing is the release wink
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 January 2018 17: 22 New
    0
    Hackers hack, but it will be harder for them ... And what did our memory do and the video card?
    1. bk316
      bk316 31 January 2018 18: 02 New
      +3
      ... And what did our memory do and the video card?

      Well, our memory has long been made, but why did you decide that there is a video card there?
  10. cedar
    cedar 31 January 2018 17: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Hackers hack, but it will be harder for them ...And what did our memory do and the video card?


    And the fan ?!
  11. Bypassed
    Bypassed 31 January 2018 17: 52 New
    +5
    I am embarrassed to ask - and this is nothing. What in Russian processors - Russian only petrodolars paid to English developers?

    "Good afternoon, dear readers. Today’s topic will be very interesting to inveterate patriots. Russia is ahead !!! And today we’ll talk about the Russian Elbrus and Baikal processors. It’s unfortunate that the article cannot be called Russian-made processors, because in fact they are produced in East Asia (like most electronics of world leaders), and not in Russia.
    ssory.html "
    1. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 18: 50 New
      +5
      You shouldn’t be so, here at the "patriots" zaputinnyh, the heart can not stand
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 31 January 2018 18: 56 New
      +3
      Barked? Pass on, do not delay the movement.
    3. bk316
      bk316 31 January 2018 21: 04 New
      +3
      Well, of course, and Intel's stones are not American - they are Philippine, Malaysian and
      Taiwanese. They are produced there and not in the USA.
      SOMETIMES IT IS BETTER TO BE SILENT, FOR A MUCH LIKE TO SIT.
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 31 January 2018 18: 03 New
    +1
    less talking and more work, otherwise once again it will turn out as they used to say. V. Chernomyrdin ...
    1. loginovich
      loginovich 31 January 2018 18: 13 New
      0
      Cases will be after 18.03 and in the meantime, the advertising company.
  13. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 31 January 2018 18: 09 New
    +6
    read comments, praised patriotics ... kids of retirement age, at least read clever articles about these processes ... yes, ours ... I don’t argue ... yes the design is different from imported analogues ... but they are made in TAIWAN , and the process is outdated, and the energy consumption there is horse-drawn ... you can construct computers on a native element base, protected, powerful ... but they will look like school diplomats of the 80-90s ... there are no clean, sterile rooms in Russia for the production of microprocessors in the likeness of modern Intel or AMD ... the maximum that they can do 90 nm and higher in the Russian Federation, for the rest there are neither production lines, nor production technologies ... so whatever you may say, the development is decent, and the production is China, in the same place and for mobile prototypes are stamped for both Intel and AMD ...
    1. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 31 January 2018 19: 07 New
      +3
      Well, for that we can sledgehammers and shovels! And in general we can all, the main thing is not to read the fifth column ...
    2. Morozyaka
      Morozyaka 31 January 2018 19: 32 New
      +3
      Here we have such a smart granddaughter! Words that he knows - Intel, AMD! These are the manufacturers with a capital letter! Not Russian G, which can make a sterile room only at 90 nm, but can’t do less - it should be higher sterility! wassat
      But the fact that AMD has long ceased to have its own factories for the production of processors, (everything is outsourced), he does not know wink
      And in general - toys do not go on Elbrus - why is such a computer needed at all is not clear laughing
      1. Genry
        Genry 31 January 2018 20: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Morozyaka
        Here we have such a smart granddaughter! Words that he knows - Intel, AMD! These are the manufacturers with a capital letter!

        Your Intel ... got rid of the full program. For half a year now, the world of system programmers has been standing in cancer and racking its brains on how to fix processor errors that incorrectly implement speculative code execution.
        "Meltdown": https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltdown_(%D1%83%D1
        %8F%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%
        8C)
        "Specter": https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(%D1%83%D1%
        8F%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8
        C)
        An elegant solution to fix these errors was never found. Just stupidly at the software level finish, what the processor should have done automatically. Those. holes remained, they simply bypass them, trying not to use one of the processor mechanisms, with a large number of instructions, which leads to delays in program execution.
      2. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 2 February 2018 11: 00 New
        0
        Ale grandfather you are wooden, the only line in Russia for the production of ito used and bought over a hill ... and about the plants of amd you turned over your sofa as usual, I didn’t even mention about them ... where and how are the amd processors produced, intel, IBM and media libraries, I know in which factories and in what volumes, because I have to do with the procurement of these products for the federal trading network ... and where does the game? sit better and keep quiet, but rather crawl out to your neighbors and play dominoes than compose your own shirts, otherwise the sand will get enough sleep
  14. turbris
    turbris 31 January 2018 18: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: tchoni
    Only the technology of these processors 10-15 years ago.

    Here it is, it sits without understanding anything and something blathers about processor technology, what would it understand in this matter?
  15. cedar
    cedar 31 January 2018 18: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: bypassed
    I am embarrassed to ask - and this is nothing. What in Russian processors - Russian only petrodolars paid to English developers?

    "Good afternoon, dear readers. Today’s topic will be very interesting to inveterate patriots. Russia is ahead !!! And today we’ll talk about the Russian Elbrus and Baikal processors. It’s unfortunate that the article cannot be called Russian-made processors, because in fact they are made in east asia (like most electronics of world leaders), but not in Russia. http://digital-boom.ru/hardware/rossijskie-protse
    ssory.html "


    But I still wonder .. And who owns the company manufacturer ..?
    1. Bypassed
      Bypassed 31 January 2018 21: 39 New
      +2
      Baikal is developed using a licensed processor core unit from Imagination Technologies. The processor is manufactured according to the 28 nm manufacturing process, has two processor cores operating at a frequency of up to 1,2 GHz.
      Available in Taiwan at TSMC
      TSMC (abbreviation for the English Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company) is a Taiwanese company engaged in the study and production of semiconductor products. It was founded in 1987 by the government of the Republic of China and private investors.
      TSMC is headquartered in Hsinchu (Taiwan). The company currently employs more than 20 people worldwide. To service and maintain production facilities, TSMC has offices in China, India, Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, the USA and Taiwan.
      The Russian in this processor is the current of petrodolars, even Chubais and Skolkovo did not stand nearby.
  16. turbris
    turbris 31 January 2018 18: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
    there are no clean sterile rooms in Russia for the production of microprocessors like modern Intel or AMD ... the maximum that they can do 90 nm and higher in the Russian Federation, for the rest there are neither production lines, nor production technologies ... so whatever you say, development patriotic, and made in China, in the same place for mobile, the process is stamped for both Intel and AMD ...

    Another special was drawn, where did such clever people come from, how do you know what is in Russia and what is not? You do not know, then this is not?
    1. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 18: 54 New
      +5
      There are of course there are) people in white coats are already waiting for you))))) do not disgrace here for a long time not the USSR
    2. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 2 February 2018 11: 04 New
      0
      but you’re still special, you know everything and are everywhere .... quieted out, well done ... go ask for a grant for patreotism
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  17. lopvlad
    lopvlad 31 January 2018 18: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: 100502
    that this bottom is grown over a hill


    though they produce in Russia the western equipment of STMiElectronics.
    The smaller the technical process, the more elements can be crammed onto a substrate of the same size) Elbrus now has 28 nm and the latest Intel 14nm (to make it clearer. The "people's" Intel® Xeon® E5450 has a 45nm manufacturing process and suits most users).
    The most important advantage of domestic processors is the lack of hardware bookmarks and INTEL hardware vulnerabilities.
    1. 100502
      100502 31 January 2018 18: 56 New
      +3
      You can fool this idiots, what you write is just a clinic
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 31 January 2018 20: 52 New
        +3
        You can fool this idiots, what you write is just a clinic
        I’ll look at you already vparil and you seduced tongue
  18. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 31 January 2018 18: 54 New
    +1
    Is it possible without funding for all secret and state-of-the-art developments to get funding and state support? What kind of exhibitionism on a national scale ?! Why be like any newfangled trends and lay out (on business and without) all the steps of the corporation? What kind of selfie mania is widespread throughout the country?
  19. dgonni
    dgonni 31 January 2018 18: 55 New
    +4
    This is called a budget cut. Although if you take the same tactical laptop of the states, then there are in fact mikruhi and komplektuha from China, because it’s cheap. But here the software is there and does not fit in any way with windows and Linux. In principle, if right now you put in any organization a coy thread of novels from 1992-1995, no modern hacker will even try to break it :). And I forgot the specialists who know how and who are able to assembler on the planet in fact no more than a thousand! Really complete protection. But the cost of the work of such a specialist surpasses 5-digit salary amounts. They no longer make new ones, but old ones have long been in the west :(.
    1. groks
      groks 31 January 2018 21: 06 New
      0
      Well, here is one of the largest banks operating under state defense orders, uses Lotus as a client. 96 year old. Dubovo is so much that you can’t get in from the outside, but monitors and keyboards need shockproof and bukh helmets.
  20. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 31 January 2018 19: 43 New
    +3
    It is wonderful. Only the price of such computers is 7-10 times more expensive than similar foreign ones. And components, as always - Chinese and cheaper, as on failed missiles and satellites more than once? Or mastered the entire line of parts in Russia to produce?
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 2 February 2018 11: 08 New
      0
      percent of 80 domestic ... at least judging by the markings on mikruh ... smd almost all domestic ... RAM imports 100%, connectors 50 to 50
  21. groks
    groks 31 January 2018 20: 59 New
    +4
    Again drank the budget on ancient Taiwanese processors, Samsung memory and native Russian Linux? For the price of the latest hewlet server.
  22. MelkorAintGood
    MelkorAintGood 31 January 2018 21: 50 New
    +2
    Produced in one of the Asian countries using someone else’s purchased technology (AMD, if memory serves), it costs a lot of money due to low seriality.
    As for the pc, consisting of fully grown. completing, then this is nothing more than noodles on the ears. Are there any ddr3 / dd4 trims? Come on, at least ddr2 can be mastered? I’m silent about video cards, and it should even be in such computers, because all these antediluvian elbruses obviously do not have a video core that can at least somehow draw graphic tasks.
    In the end, what do we have? The processor is executed according to the purchased and old technology NOT in Russia at NOT Russian capacities for Russian money. Video cards, RAM and HDD / SDD - with a very high probability are definitely not ours.
    Oh yes, old Russian Linux instead of OS.
    What is the news about?
  23. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 February 2018 00: 03 New
    +1
    The news is good. It must be the coolest computer on planet earth. That it be a completely Russian laptop and designed by Russians in Russia Russian Orthodox Christian. Designed, made, assembled and parts, assembly, software, protection, so that everything was Russian , made and manufactured and assembled in Russia and the coolest and best in the past like that. And only that.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 1 February 2018 11: 49 New
      +2
      Well, what are you distorting. You perfectly understand that there is nothing in the world that was done purely in one state. The vast majority of each mobile phone are our components on the process technology of 10, 15, or even 30 years ago. Moreover, in many countries such technological processes are almost extinct, but as it turned out, they can not do. For example, power stabilizers in different systems without which these systems are stable and capricious.
      You can talk about all sorts of super duper technological processes, but we must remember "Tears where it is thin" and not go too far, but it’s reasonable to approach everything.
  24. Dart
    Dart 1 February 2018 02: 07 New
    0
    How many in the subject I met eccentrics with the letter "m", with foam at the mouth proving that no, well, it can’t ...))
    Moreover, these people are active only in similar topics ....))
    nerds-liberoids..Nothing name, will it?))
  25. MelkorAintGood
    MelkorAintGood 1 February 2018 02: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Dartys
    How many in the subject I met eccentrics with the letter "m", with foam at the mouth proving that no, well, it can’t ...))
    Moreover, these people are active only in similar topics ....))
    nerds-liberoids..Nothing name, will it?))

    The point is not that “it can - it cannot”, but that there is an obvious substitution of concepts. To buy old technology and reproduce obsolete processors at OTHER production facilities - you do not need a lot of mind, only money. If we honestly said that yes, we didn’t come up with it, we just bought the rights to production, no one would have found fault, but instead we are told about a “purely Russian” processor, which is nothing more than a propaganda trick, but here they also talk about FULLY Russian computer, which is just ridiculous. He is as Russian as the engine for Sam146.
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  28. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 1 February 2018 10: 04 New
    +1
    To solve applied problems, the element base, including processors, is fully justified. But this is about computers. And what is being done for the production of equipment on which communication depends, and above all the Internet: switches, routers, etc. ? Indeed, through this equipment, information leakage or sabotage is primarily possible.
  29. Mentat
    Mentat 1 February 2018 16: 47 New
    0
    Quote: NOMADE
    Specifications have long been published. For the military application of the standards, but in the "citizen", this is no longer competitive ..

    No, actually. The lag is only 2 generations behind Intel, and given how much Intel invests in development, and what a small team Elbrus is developing, this can be called a miracle.
    Baikal is a licensed core, but it will also come in handy. Samsung processors from the same opera.
    1. MelkorAintGood
      MelkorAintGood 1 February 2018 22: 47 New
      +1
      According to real productivity, elbrus are at the level of 2000-2003. Two generations, you say?)
  30. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 1 February 2018 22: 59 New
    0
    Quote: Irokez
    Well, what are you distorting. You perfectly understand that there is nothing in the world that was done purely in one state. The vast majority of each mobile phone are our components on the process technology of 10, 15, or even 30 years ago. Moreover, in many countries such technological processes are almost extinct, but as it turned out, they can not do. For example, power stabilizers in different systems without which these systems are stable and capricious.
    You can talk about all sorts of super duper technological processes, but we must remember "Tears where it is thin" and not go too far, but it’s reasonable to approach everything.

    It’s reasonable to approach, but it’s necessary to strive for it. There’s nothing bad here, so that Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians are the best and independent and self-sufficient and everything was the best. Especially when it comes to the security of the country and the people of Russia, Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
    Why this task, work, or how to formulate it more precisely — not to ask the most powerful computer in Russia the Russian Orthodox Christian — to make an even more powerful computer, and to that even more powerful. And so on. And these computers, to implement in defense, production in Russia Russian Orthodox Christian?
  31. SEER
    SEER 2 February 2018 07: 41 New
    0
    deliberately did not read comments.
    I’ll write “answers” ​​right away:
    - as old as mammoth shit
    - old, now they’re doing it by xx and not xxx. who will answer?
    - again not catch up? Yes, I definitely will not catch up! either xxxx or xxxx. in those yes.
    - I saw / lived when xxx already had a chewing gum and we chewed a chewing gum from bitumen - I will never catch it.
    - "we still do not have xxx. and never will be. Now, before we get there, we all go to the church with the whole staff." how long?
    - we prosra .. RKKA, now this is not possible. give xxx! "
    - was xxxx, now he is gone. get up people, sweep thieves xxx. vote for xxxx! "
    - not everything is so simple, I myself xxx xxxx.
    - "Oh, wild geese flew ..."
    1. SEER
      SEER 2 February 2018 07: 51 New
      0
      uh, i'm almost a seer! the best part is that I, born in 1970, at least my second point is close to the topic :-)
      - "Now they are doing xx and not xxx. Who will answer?"
      so the topic unfolded :-)
      and I very much hoped that this topic would take its toll:
      - "Oh, wild geese flew ..."
      I'm old, old ... I'm super old !!!