Ukrainian "Peonies" went to spare parts for tanks APU?

Ukrainian manufacturers use the components of self-propelled artillery installations “Peony” for the repair of standing in service tanks T-72 and the manufacture of "Bastions", believes the blogger kloch4. His material is also posted on the bmpd military blog, which is published under the auspices of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

The author analyzed the state of the artillery armament of the Ukrainian army, examining, in particular, the 203-mm self-propelled “Pion” self-propelled guns that remained at the disposal of Kiev after the collapse of the USSR. According to his calculations, 56 of such installations was removed from storage, but only 39 “publicized”.

17 pieces just dissolved. There is no place to hide such bulky cars.

- notes kloch4.

He suggested that the missing SAUs were used as spare parts for the T-72 and “Strongholds” manufactured for Thailand. The author recalled that the "Peonies" are equipped with engines suitable for T-72. Kiev has no access to purchases of these power plants, since they are manufactured by the Russian Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant.

Rollers, balancers and torsions, available from "Peon", are also necessary for the production of "Plots", writes kloch4. Chassis artillery installations created on the basis of the tank T-80, which formed the basis for the development of "stronghold".

"Strongholds" produces Kharkov Malyshev Plant. The company has not yet fulfilled the contract concluded in 2011 for the supply of these tanks to Thailand by 49, reports "Lenta.ru"

Comments

[Fury]

If so, then the news is not bad - Less than large-caliber self-propelled guns will remain in the hands of Bandera. Although this is most likely not due to stupidity, but because in Ukraine problems with the availability of ammunition began for the Peonies.

[vlad66]

Let them disassemble and the more they disassemble the better.

[Evil543]

Still, the trunks and mechanisms would be scrapped

[Kars]

Some kind of heresy to be honest.
And so, in principle, a peony is such a system that it can also be brought on the trawl.

[Svarog51]

Andrew,

And so, in principle, a peony is such a system that it can also be brought on the trawl.

It is possible, but how to load and unload if the engine is removed? A winch? And how will they be deployed at the position?

[Kars]

For starters, I’d try to shoot directly from the trawl, you don’t have to expect any particular accuracy. Of course, the trawl will not live long.
And so of course with mobility it will be seams, but not much more complicated than with conventional towed artillery.
At the same time, I will write again that I do not believe that we went to spare parts for strongholds) then it is easier to write that the engines were sold in Pakistan)

[Svarog51]

[quote] For a start, I would try to shoot directly from the trawl, you don’t have to expect any particular accuracy. the trawl certainly won’t live long. [quote]
Well, what is it? Why disassemble if you need to shoot? And if not, then why carry it?

[Orionvit]

For starters, I’d try to shoot directly from the trawl, you don’t have to expect any particular accuracy. Of course, the trawl will not live long.

Recently watched a video from Syria, where 152 mm. the gun was mounted in the back of a Mercedes truck. With each shot, the truck frame collapsed almost into a "spring". In a word, the deformation of the power elements is such as during normal operation, the car never experiences.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kars

For starters, I would try to shoot directly from the trawl, you don’t have to expect any particular accuracy. Of course the trawl does not live long

Have you ever seen a wheel jumping from a load from a trawl? The idea is crazy at once.
And you can believe about the disassembly, because all the equipment from the Chernobyl zone disappeared and where could it go ............................?
You can see the approximate load when fired, for one evaluate the possibility of brakes for such machines

[Normal ok]

Quote: APASUS

And you can believe about the disassembly, because all the equipment from the Chernobyl zone disappeared and where could it go ............................?

And where do you think it went? Really sent to the front? Not, probably, together with chernozem, they were taken to Germany

[APASUS]

Quote: Normal ok

And where do you think it went? Really sent to the front? Not, probably, together with chernozem, they were taken to Germany

They began to make pans out of the armor, additional radiation makes it possible to cook faster with less firewood

[Orionvit]

Quote: Kars

And so, in principle, a peony is such a system that it can be brought on the trawl

And in battle, will she also maneuver on the trawl? There have been cases in history, I do not argue, and when ship guns from battleships were installed in stationary positions, but in Ukraine they were most likely sawn into metal.

[Kars]

Maneuvering long-range artillery is interesting) if there is aviation then the pion will not be too good on the go.
[quote = Svarog51] [quote] For starters, I would try to shoot directly from the trawl, you don’t have to expect any particular accuracy. The trawl certainly won’t live long. [quote]
Well, what is it? Why disassemble if you need to shoot? And if not, then why carry it? [/ Quote]
Most likely that others would be repaired .. I am against exactly what went to spare parts for strongholds and t72

[electrooleg]

The weapon is a pity! I would like to take everything to the screw from them, and give them a rake with a shovel.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Fury

He suggested that the disappeared self-propelled guns went for parts for the T-72 and Oplot,

- Literally EVERYTHING is glad that the military overhaul resembles the Trishkin Kaftan. Not out of spite, but with satisfaction!

[avt]

Quote: Fury

If so, then the news is not bad - Less than large-caliber self-propelled guns will remain in the hands of Bandera

And the whole article about the VSUk artillery could not be uploaded with ,, Military Materials "?? Or on this account the site has its own graters with a subsidiary resource?

[Serg koma]

According to his calculations, 56 such installations were removed from storage, but only 39 were publicly “lit up”.

The blogger said no - it means no
And in general, PION is not a pop and screen star - it does not need to be "publicly" lit. "


Peonies in 2014 were going to be restored, so we need to look for the “missing” ones before making an assumption.
"NEW" from ukrSMI from November 2014

Armed Forces of Ukraine restore and return to operation 203-mm self-propelled artillery 2S7 "Peony". As reported, the self-propelled guns are being repaired at the Shepetovka Repair Plant state enterprise (Shepetovka, Khmelnitsky Region, the former 369th Central Arms Repair Plant) and at the repair plant in Rivne Oblast (apparently, the former central artillery armament base in Klevani or Sarnach).

After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine got 99 2S7 self-propelled guns, which in Ukraine were finally removed from the troops and deposited in 1996. Five “Peonies” were sold from storage in 2007 to Georgia, and three more - in 2008 to Azerbaijan.

[K-50]

The more “Peonies” they’ll take apart, the more relaxed people will be in Donetsk / Lugansk.

[private person]

Or maybe for the "Peonies" the time has not come? And they stand somewhere in the hangar and wait in the wings.

[bk316]

2c7 is a serious weapon, but 2c5 (which I served) in my opinion, if you do not use special ammunition is better.
Because the range is practically the same, and the rate of 2s5 is several times greater (about 4 times). In a modern setting, oh, how important.

And she jumps an infection As a coulter, do not push anyway anyway.

[Orionvit]

Quote: bk316

2s5 rate of fire is several times greater (about 4 times). In a modern setting it's oh how important

What's important? When conducting intense hostilities (what they are not capable of), maybe. And for regular shelling of residential neighborhoods, he and this with his head.

[bk316]

What's important?

It is important to cover the opponent’s battery so that it doesn’t fly back. If in the subject, you should know that both guns were designed for counter-battery combat. Since nobody hits the first shot with an uncorrectable projectile, rate of fire is very important.
It is also harder to equip a protected position for such a bandura, and even if it is covered, it will not save. Hyacinths are abundant in militia, so there is little joy in peonies.
Well, it is clear that special ammunition dictates a different tactic.

[Orionvit]

Quote: bk316

It is important to cover the enemy’s battery so that it doesn’t fly back

I say, in the conduct of intense hostilities. But what happens in the Donbass, except as languid schizophrenia under the guise of the OSCE, can not be called. And people continue to die.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: from article

17 pieces just dissolved. There is no place to hide such bulky cars.
- notes kloch4.

Looks like this blogger has no figures on the other hand - but how many Peonies appeared in the militia of New Russia? I’m sure that on the evening of April 6, 2014, when a video with Bolotov appeared on YouTube with a gun, a bunch of smart Ukrainian warrant officers were already excitedly rubbing their hands in anticipation of the jackpot: “Now I know exactly who I will sell my Peonies (here everyone inserted his own - grenade launchers, boots, armored personnel carriers ...)! "

[ul_vitalii]

Still would have hung his underpants on the trunk, Valyusha will appreciate who has what.

[Mountain shooter]

A kind of engineering cannibalism. Yes, there would be more of it. Less "armor" and ferocious calibers - less bad thoughts in the heads of banderlogs.

[Dormidont]

It is good that fraternal Belarus does not leave ukrofashists without fuel from Russian oil

[Antares]

Quote: Dormidont

fraternal Belarus does not leave ukrofashists without fuel from Russian oil

fraternal RF too. They even compete for deliveries to the APU.

[Piramidon]

But in Thailand they know that they are supplied with tanks collected from recycled materials?

[Normal ok]

He suggested

Sadly, more than half of the articles on VO are someone's assumptions and rumors.

[Antares]

Quote: Normal ok

more than half of the articles on VO are someone's assumptions and rumors.

the fact is that the blog information (and this is the user's personal blog) a priori should already be in the Opinion section. And here is the "News". Twitter news and Facebook news are already familiar, scandals of intrigue are small squabbles. Now we got to the blogs.
Again, what does a blogger (by the way, a biased blogger towards Ukraine) know? Even the same Mikhailova is not considered particularly true (although she has an order of magnitude documentary news) .. and here ..

[Vasya Vasiliev]

...... ONE WORD-HARRY!)))

[rusletnikov]

Actually, the Oplot is based on the T-84, not the T-80. Everything else that this "sksperd" writes about is the same truth.