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The next "Breakthrough": the Russian army will receive a new tank

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The new T-90M tank will go into service with the Russian army in the coming months. This was reported in the research and production corporation "Uralvagonzavod."


In the coming months, we will be able to say that the T-90M will be put into service. First batch tanks T-90M, speaking the military language, will be brought up to the nominal strength of the tank battalion
- leads tass message to corporation

The next "Breakthrough": the Russian army will receive a new tank


The corporation explained that the international military-technical forum "Army-2017" announced the signing of a contract between UVZ and the Ministry of Defense for the supply of a new modification of the T-90 - T-90М ("Breakthrough-3"), but in fact the contracts there were a few.

According to them, it is planned to manufacture and supply both new T-90M tanks and to modernize the existing fleet of previously released Uralvagonzavod T-90 tanks to the T-90М type. Production is ready to release these products.
- Said in the UVZ.

As for the main differences from the T-90, these include, first of all, the new combat tower module, which, in combination with a powerful weapon system and an automated fire control system, significantly increased the combat capabilities of the tank, and weapon now it can be applied at any time of the day. In addition, the maximum efficiency of using the tank’s weapons was achieved by installing a target tracking machine in the thermal imaging channel of the sight, as well as by equalizing the search capabilities of the gunner and the commander, which makes it possible to organize a highly effective hunter-gunner mode in the fire control system. The machine, among other things, received a new level of security.

It also became known that at the beginning of 2018, it is planned to complete the tests of the upgraded T-80BVM tank.
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© Press service of UVZ
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  1. activator
    activator 31 January 2018 09: 50
    +7
    Good tank good such machines should be the basis, and kaz is needed.
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 31 January 2018 10: 01
      13
      Perhaps KAZ for MBT is still brought to mind (protection against attack from above) and going into the series after completion will be put separately
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 31 January 2018 23: 45
        +2
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        KAZ for MBT is still brought to mind

        there is an Arena, there is Afghanite for Almaty, there is a Thrush. It seems everyone is brought. They offer Arena for export (at least there was infa about offering tanks to the Indians with the Arena)
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        top attack defense

        KZWP is a slightly different system. KAZ does not work in the upper hemisphere
        1. activator
          activator 1 February 2018 11: 15
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          KZWP is a slightly different system. KAZ does not work in the upper hemisphere

          As always your way? combine not?
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 1 February 2018 13: 51
            +3
            Quote: activator
            As always your way? combine not?

            KAZ is a very complex and very expensive system. Even in the form in which it is. Radars have a limited viewing angle, while anti-missile ammunition has a limited angle of fragmentation. If the rocket "rolls downhill" at a large angle, the KAZ simply will not get it (although it shoots aircraft missiles, but they have a diving angle more gentle).
            Against ATGMs of the Javelin and Spike types, KZWP and SDR are used (although sometimes these systems are formally referred to the same KAZ). This is the installation of an infrared-blocking curtain between the ATGM and the tank, the shooting of IR traps and the use of electronic warfare. Those. disruption of guidance of anti-tank missiles to ensure miss. As such, the physical destruction of ammunition does not occur. Although a number of sources indicate such a possibility, but due to what - it is not clear. Secret system
            1. activator
              activator 1 February 2018 21: 49
              0
              Quote: Gregory_45
              Against ATGMs of the Javelin and Spike types, KZWP and SDR are used (although sometimes these systems are formally referred to the same KAZ). This is the installation of an infrared-blocking curtain between the ATGM and the tank, the shooting of IR traps and the use of electronic warfare. Those. disruption of guidance of anti-tank missiles to ensure miss. As such, the physical destruction of ammunition does not occur. Although a number of sources indicate such a possibility, but due to what - it is not clear. Secret system

              I watched videos today about how the trophy works and I see no reason why he will not be able to intercept the spike or javelin, if at the moment it is not possible to finish it will not be a problem at all.
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 1 February 2018 13: 52
            +2
            Quote: activator
            As always your way?

            have some countries done differently? They made a KAZ capable of intercepting ATGMs that hit the upper hemisphere?
    2. svp67
      svp67 31 January 2018 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: activator
      Well, kaz is needed.

      It is there and, if desired, after completion it will be installed on the Breakthrough, it is the universal KAZ "Afghanistan"
      1. activator
        activator 31 January 2018 10: 55
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        It is there and, if desired, will be installed after completion

        Then you need desire and money. As already written, what is known about afghanite confuses me greatly, I hope that it will be more adequate at the exit.
        1. svp67
          svp67 31 January 2018 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: activator
          Then you need desire and money.

          1. activator
            activator 31 January 2018 11: 07
            +1
            The main thing is that the chair should not be empty.
            1. svp67
              svp67 31 January 2018 11: 13
              +2
              Quote: activator
              so that the chair would not be empty.

              It will definitely NOT be empty. It’s just that KAZ, that DZ have one VERY BIG DEFICIENCY, they are very unsafe for their infantry, and KAZ will also shoot down ALL, indiscriminately, its own and alien, flying in its coverage area. And this greatly contradicts our tactics of using ground forces, where the tank goes ahead of the attacking infantry, and it is no longer necessary to talk about the full use of its weapons
              1. activator
                activator 31 January 2018 11: 51
                0
                Quote: svp67
                It will definitely NOT be empty

                I doubt it, maybe not empty but half. Afghanite must be able to bring down spikes and javelins that will hit from above and repel attacks from the stern without deploying the tower, otherwise it is only half measures.
                Quote: svp67
                It’s just that KAZ, that DZ have one VERY BIG DISADVANTAGE, they are very unsafe for their infantry, and

                Since mortars are installed on the armature, it is possible to kill a nearby infantryman with a shot even without breaking, I think that they could be put higher. The same Jews managed to minimize the risks to their infantry.
                Quote: svp67
                and KAZ will also bring down ALL, indiscriminately, its own and the alien, flying in its area of ​​operation.

                I think this is not a problem to teach the kaz to distinguish between targets flying to a tank and just flying past.
                Quote: svp67
                . And this greatly contradicts our tactics of using ground forces, where the tank goes ahead of the attacking infantry, and it’s not worth talking about the full use of its weapons

                Now local conflicts and other tactics, for example, the Israelis, this is clearly visible.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 31 January 2018 22: 02
                  0
                  Quote: activator
                  I think this is not a problem to teach the kaz to distinguish between targets flying to a tank and just flying past.

                  You think? Almost all ATGMs use a “slide” strike, that is, diving takes place just before or above the target, and if own infantry, upon detecting the target, apply the same RPG-7, so that the grenade’s flight path passes over the tank, as you think KAZ?
                  1. activator
                    activator 1 February 2018 08: 56
                    0
                    Quote: svp67
                    and if your own infantry, having found the target, applies the same RPG-7, so that the path of the grenade passes over the tank, what do you think KAZ will do?

                    Even if the kaz hit a crazy shot from an RPG, I don’t see anything wrong with that. A melee aircraft can fall into a cloud of fragments from the explosion of its own rocket, an infantryman in an attack can accidentally kill a comrade running ahead, but no one refused missiles and machine guns because of this.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 1 February 2018 10: 01
                      0
                      Quote: activator
                      Even if kaz and knock crazy shot from an RPG

                      Not so simple ... Downed your RPG, will not destroy the target, which may be "deadly for the tank"
                      1. activator
                        activator 1 February 2018 11: 03
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        Not so simple ... Downed your RPG, will not destroy the target, which may be "deadly for the tank"

                        There are too many ifs and cans in your equation. Or maybe a handheld grenade thrower accidentally fired at his tank, then the kaz will save. Let's not bring the situation to the point of absurdity. I can hardly imagine how an infantryman coming from behind will shoot through an RPG tank because a shot from an RPG flies in a straight line. And if you look at the experience of using the kaz by the Israelis, there is only a positive effect, not one tank was hit by the kaz, but as far as I know, the soldiers were injured from the operation of the kaz, but they are not going to refuse the kaz. I don’t understand your position at all, do you think that kaz is not needed? or trying to justify the flaws of afghanite.
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 1 February 2018 14: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: svp67
                        Not so simple ... Downed your RPG, will not destroy the target, which may be "deadly for the tank"

                        Undoubtedly. But when the KAZ is on, it is very dangerous to be closer than 50 meters from the tank, it can catch it with a fragmentation field. Based on this, it is unlikely that the grenade launcher could see the target directly behind the tank or such a grenade trajectory into which KAZ considers dangerous for the tank being covered. He does not intercept all the ammunition in a row. Only those whose trace shows that the trajectory of the projectile and the location of the tank are being suppressed.
                2. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 31 January 2018 23: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: activator
                  I think it’s not a problem to teach the kaz to distinguish between targets flying on a tank and just flying past

                  he, in fact, is trained in this. KAZ does not respond to all objects that do not fall under a certain set of characteristics (speed, mass, flight path), otherwise it will shoot the BC literally in a minute of battle.
                  Quote: activator
                  Afghanite must be able to bring down commissures and javelins

                  alas, can not ((
              2. Goryaev
                Goryaev 31 January 2018 13: 47
                +1
                As far as I understand the principle of operation of the KAZ, it works only on ammunition threatening the tank and does not respond to flying past.
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 1 February 2018 10: 49
          +2
          Quote: activator
          what is known about afghanite me very confused

          like what?
          1. activator
            activator 1 February 2018 15: 35
            0
            Quote: Gregory_45
            Quote: activator
            what is known about afghanite me very confused

            like what?

            For example, that to repel an attack from behind, the Afghanite will automatically deploy the tower and the second moment is the location of the mortars, they are very low located and directed only forward and slightly to the sides. Of course, we can assume that the ammunition after firing is capable of maneuvering and climbing upwards with an upward directed explosion to shoot down birds, but somehow it’s so xs.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 2 February 2018 13: 15
              +2
              Quote: activator
              but somehow it is so xs.

              not without it. There are more questions than answers.
              Quote: activator
              to repel an attack from behind, the afghanite will automatically deploy a tower

              The legs of this decision have been growing since the Curtains. There too - the sensors encircled the threat, and well, turn the tower in that direction. On the one hand, right. The tank can put the curtain and immediately send in the direction of calculating the OFS, which flies much faster than a grenade.
              On the other hand, if a tank was targeting enemy armored vehicles at that moment, then turning the guns and enveloping in a cloud of aerosols is not gut. A great signal to the enemy, if he has not yet seen the "hunter". He will either no longer see the target, or an enemy BOPS will fly into it.
              On the third hand, it can fly into the stern only in conditions of urban battle. So, in principle, why not turn your head. Although from my point of view it was worth arranging mortars in a circle, in the sector of 360 degrees. On the Kurgan, these same mortars are located on the car body, with mutual overlapping of the shelling sectors around the entire circumference.
              Probably, this is not so much a disadvantage of KAZ as features of its placement on the machine. Doubts torment me - whether blocking of this function provided for? For example, in a cramped street, a 6-meter-long trunk will not work
              Quote: activator
              the second point is the location of the mortar

              here you need to know by what principle the scatter of fragments is formed. If directed down (as in the Arena) - then yes. launchers must be lifted up to the tower. If it’s just like from a smooth-bore mortar with a wide angle of spread, then he will cover the front surfaces.
  2. Stas157
    Stas157 31 January 2018 09: 52
    18
    The new T-90M tank will go into service with the Russian army in the coming months.

    Armata armata, and T-90 still serve! Always believed that perhaps the best in the world T-90 early to write off. If we compare, we must compare by price, which means: what is more efficient than two T-90 or one Armata?
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 31 January 2018 10: 05
      14
      Quote: Stas157
      Armata armature, and T-90 will still serve

      When it comes to Almaty, it is still on the test, they will eliminate “growth mistakes” as with all new equipment, and the T-90 and T-72 are the basis of our tank fleet now. yes
    2. 11 black
      11 black 31 January 2018 10: 22
      +5
      Quote: Stas157
      What is more effective than two T-90 or one Armata?

      It depends on the situation - tasks are possible when the 10 T-90 will not do what one Armata could do.
      Tasks are possible when Armata and T-90 are equal. Based on this, we must think about the future.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 31 January 2018 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: 11 black
        Quote: Stas157
        What is more effective than two T-90 or one Armata?

        It depends on the situation - tasks are possible when the 10 T-90 will not do what one Armata could do.
        Tasks are possible when Armata and T-90 are equal. Based on this, we must think about the future.

        And the cost of "Armata" will far exceed the T-90.
    3. svp67
      svp67 31 January 2018 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      Armata armature, and the T-90 will still serve!

      It’s not even worth talking here, it’s enough to produce the T-72B100000000000, it’s time to turn all the tanks into a “Breakthrough”, including the T-80, and it’s not very difficult to do this
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 31 January 2018 21: 14
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        it’s time to turn all the tanks into a “Breakthrough,” including the T-80, and to do this is not very difficult

        How!!! belay I know only one method: complete disassembly, remelting of everything into new metal and manufacturing of ALL in a new way. Find at least one difference in such modernization from the release of a new sample (a trifle like fasteners does not count) wink
  3. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 31 January 2018 09: 56
    +1
    Well, at least the production was resumed, already good.
  4. astepanov
    astepanov 31 January 2018 09: 57
    +3
    In reality, many problems of "Almaty" are still far from being solved - so far that one can doubt that it will appear in the "full" version without undergoing deep metamorphoses. Perhaps, partly with this, the appearance of the T-90M is connected. Anyway - good luck.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 31 January 2018 10: 05
      +7
      Quote: astepanov
      In reality, many problems of "Almaty" are still far from being solved - so far that one can doubt that it will appear in the "full" version without undergoing deep metamorphoses. Perhaps, partly with this, the appearance of the T-90M is connected. Anyway - good luck.

      Where can I read about it? You didn’t pour it all out of your head, right?
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 31 January 2018 11: 39
        0
        No, not out of my head. But I will not disclose the sources.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 31 January 2018 10: 22
      +4
      Quote: astepanov
      In reality, many problems of "Almaty" are still far from being solved - so far that one can doubt that it will appear in the "full" version without undergoing deep metamorphoses.

      A long time ago we did not hear such "words" from the chief designer. And we are all “scratched” on the ears that “Armata” is the best tank. It turns out the T-14 is a mockup. Look, although this was not necessary to show:
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 31 January 2018 11: 23
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        . And we are all “scratched” on the ears that “Armata” is the best tank.

        Have you heard the saying that "the best enemy of the good" ?-)
      2. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 31 January 2018 11: 31
        +6
        And we are all “scratched” on the ears that “Armata” is the best tank. It turns out the T-14 is a mockup.

        Unnecessary pessimism. Armata is a concept of our main tank, which only undergoes a “thorough file processing”. One could swear if he was so quickly launched into the series. Would get an analogue of F35 - expensive and damp. And now we are really preparing for war, since the West is already drooling at us at any moment. Therefore, it is important for Russia to have a lot of proven machines with a developed repair base, at a reasonable price, and not a crude concept at a frantic price series. And the fact that they advertise Armata - that is why the Jankers and other NATO members are bred for an arms race, and to themselves to show that the defense industry has the latest developments - is also correct.
      3. Maz
        Maz 31 January 2018 14: 40
        0
        Scarecrow is the scarecrow
    3. Ber
      Ber 31 January 2018 10: 47
      +3

      2
      astepanov Today, 09:57 New
      In reality, many problems of "Almaty" are still far from being solved - so far that one can doubt that it will appear in the "full" version without undergoing deep metamorphoses. Perhaps, partly with this, the appearance of the T-90M is connected. Anyway - good luck.


      I completely agree, and the main problem of Armata is its engine, that is, its X-12 circuit, just right for the Middle East and India, and for Russia, deadly, they refused X-shaped diesels back in the USSR, whose main problem is the replacement of injectors and fuel wires from high pressure pumps to nozzles.
      If on the T-72 \ 90 this is a trifle, open the MTO cover and change it, the length of the fuel wires is 30-40 cm.


      And try the same on Armata?

      Will you have to remove the entire power unit due to the replacement of one nozzle, and if the summer salary is poured in and it freezes, or does the condensate freeze?

      The best option for the KP T-14 is the W-12 scheme, on which, like the V-12 T-90, you can safely change both nozzles and fuel wires, and the length of the engines is almost the same.

      1. prodi
        prodi 31 January 2018 11: 51
        +1
        if something freezes, it will be more likely to warm.
        replacement is a problem, but not frequent, but water hammer due to antifreeze leaking into the lower cylinders is more serious
        1. Ber
          Ber 2 February 2018 07: 16
          0
          Honestly, I don’t know, because we don’t have X-shaped engines, but I know what a hydroblow is, at powerful pumping stations that cascade tens of meters of water, so if water hits when it returns, then even the cast-iron valves break and fly out.
          But there is a mass of water in hundreds of tons, and here ??????
      2. Muvka
        Muvka 31 January 2018 13: 06
        +1
        I remember in Soviet times there were no heaps of new materials and methods for their processing. Time goes by and could very well solve the problem you described.
        1. prodi
          prodi 31 January 2018 13: 35
          0
          water hammer or what? But who needs this in principle?! ..
  5. HEATHER
    HEATHER 31 January 2018 10: 04
    0
    So is it better-CM or M?
    1. Stone
      Stone 31 January 2018 10: 08
      +4
      SM is an export version of M. T90M is better.
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 31 January 2018 10: 20
        +3
        Thank you. I'm just Aviation. I saw tanks only in sight.
      2. activator
        activator 31 January 2018 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Sten
        SM is an export version of M. T90M is better.

        not quite so, as far as I understand, see there is the possibility of firing with long crowbars, in contrast to t 90 m. Curse separate loading. request
  6. Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 31 January 2018 10: 11
    +1
    Will this one ever wait?
    1. krokodil25
      krokodil25 31 January 2018 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Anton Yu
      Will this one ever wait?

      This is an export option. yes
      1. Anton Yu
        Anton Yu 31 January 2018 15: 38
        0
        I'm talking about the non-export version of the T-90AM "Breakthrough"
        1. Hog
          Hog 31 January 2018 21: 50
          0
          "it was announced the signing of a contract between UVZ and the Ministry of Defense for the supply of a new modification of the T-90 - T-90M (" Breakthrough-3 ")"
          What is not clear, there is no T-90AM, there is a T-90M and its export version of the T-90MS.
          1. Anton Yu
            Anton Yu 31 January 2018 22: 50
            +1
            Here are the modifications to the T-90
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 31 January 2018 10: 28
      +1
      Waited:

      In general, in its configuration, this tank corresponds to the export T-90MS. True, there are small external differences in the form of anti-cumulative gratings mounted under the Relic dynamic protection in the frontal part of the tower, and a log mounted on the starboard side, like the T-72BZ biathlon tank.
      As reported at the Army 2015 forum, the T-90M main battle tank is a comprehensive modernization of the T-90 tank by increasing combat and operational characteristics. Modernization concerned a significant increase in the firepower of security and command controllability.
      This tank is designed to conduct maneuverable military operations against any enemy in the tank and motorized infantry units as the main multi-purpose combat weapon.
      The crew of the tank is 3 people, the combat weight is 50 tons, the clearance is 450 mm. The tank is armed with a 125-mm GPS, as well as two machine guns of 12,7 and 7,62 mm caliber. Engine power is 1130 hp, the range on the highway with additional barrels is 550 km, the portal reports
      The primary source of photography is the UKBTM corporate calendar for 2017.

      https://vpk-news.ru/news/34722
    3. just exp
      just exp 31 January 2018 11: 19
      +2
      T-90MS (generally it should be SM), this is the “Breakthrough”, and the T-90M, this is the “Breakthrough-3”, sort of like a more advanced model.
      1. Hog
        Hog 31 January 2018 21: 51
        0
        T-90MS / SM is an export version, T-90M.
        1. just exp
          just exp 1 February 2018 11: 10
          0
          not T-90M, but T-90AM, T-90M is a newer modification.
    4. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 31 January 2018 23: 57
      +2
      T-90MS (object 188MS) - export version of the T-90AM tanks
  7. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 31 January 2018 10: 13
    +4
    T-72B3, T-90M, T-80BVM ...... Moreover, everything is done at the same time. Three MBT rhinestones. What for? We jump on the old rake. And after this news, it becomes clear that we will not see the T-14 in the next 5 years, at least.
    1. just exp
      just exp 31 January 2018 11: 22
      +3
      T-72B3 is a temporary model for maintaining pants for the next 5-10 years.
      T-80BVM is for the Arctic.
      T-90 is that while the armata will go into series in sufficient quantities will be the striking force of the armored forces.
      and normal unification will still be oh, but not soon, because there is a discrepancy due to a failure of 90 and zero. when the equipment is outdated and in order to saturate with at least some new technology, the MO takes everything that it reaches.
      the same theme in the air force, there are a lot of sushki, 2 shock turntables and more.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 31 January 2018 11: 35
        +3
        Quote: just explo
        T-80BVM is for the Arctic.




        Will you beat tank wedges on polar bears?
        1. Genry
          Genry 31 January 2018 12: 45
          +3
          Quote: Town Hall
          Will you beat tank wedges on polar bears?

          Nopea ... the Arctic is just a landfill. The true goal is Antarctica. Penguins do not need to give oil and gas ....
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 31 January 2018 11: 22
      +2
      Quote: Sergeant71
      T-72B3, T-90M, T-80BVM ...... Moreover, everything is done at the same time. Three MBT rhinestones. What for? We jump on the old rake.

      And we didn’t leave them - as there were three main MBTs in the USSR Armed Forces, there were three MBTs left in the RF Armed Forces (more precisely, two and a half, if you consider the T-90 as an over-modernized T-72). Is that instead of the T-64 appeared T-90. And also have to upgrade 3 MBT.
      First, the basis of our BTV - T-72 was brought to mind. Since there were a lot of these tanks, and they had to be modernized quickly, I had to choose the "budget" option - T-72B3.
      Now the problem is "main tank for at least 20 years without replacement and repair“they more or less decided (more than 1000 T-72B3 were delivered to the troops) - and their hands reached the less common models.
    3. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 1 February 2018 00: 41
      0
      Do you want to put Partizan into modern tanks? For mobilization stock, continuity with older models is more important. In the event of a total war, there will be no time for an in-depth study of the latest technology by reservists, it is good if there are a couple of days to refresh the memory.
  8. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2018 10: 14
    +3
    Quote: Stas157
    Armata armata, and T-90 still serve! Always believed that perhaps the best in the world T-90 early to write off. If we compare, we must compare by price, which means: what is more efficient than two T-90 or one Armata?

    --------------------------------------------
    In the “Breakthrough” version, this is generally an automatic tank, actually a half-tank robot, mobile, protected and well-armed, with a powerful information system. On the "Star" in the Military acceptance, this tank was shown.
  9. Simon
    Simon 31 January 2018 10: 15
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    The new T-90M tank will go into service with the Russian army in the coming months.

    Armata armata, and T-90 still serve! Always believed that perhaps the best in the world T-90 early to write off. If we compare, we must compare by price, which means: what is more efficient than two T-90 or one Armata?

    Ah what! And Armata can be simultaneously released, quietly, and finalized along the way yes
  10. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 31 January 2018 10: 19
    +2
    I think it will be right if the more expensive Armats and tanks are accepted simpler and cheaper like the T-90M ...
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 31 January 2018 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      I think it will be right if the more expensive Armats and tanks are accepted simpler and cheaper like the T-90M ...

      Most likely, the release of Almaty will be limited to a small batch on which the production technology and application tactics will be worked out. Well, design changes will be made based on operating experience. All the same, it is a very expensive toy for mass deliveries to the troops. IMHO.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 31 January 2018 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      I think it will be right if the more expensive Armats and tanks are accepted simpler and cheaper like the T-90M ...

      There will be the same situevina as with the SU-57. That is, they will upgrade 72-ki, 80-ki, while purchasing T-90M, and the next 5-10 years, Almaty will purchase small batches for mastering in parts and identifying shortcomings with subsequent elimination. In the coming years, while the Russian MBT will be the T-72B3, it’s the most numerous. After, it will become the T-90M. About 10 years later, Armata will be brought to a battle-worthy product, and they will also optimize the price for it, and then they will start purchasing in large quantities.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 31 January 2018 12: 08
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        In the coming years, while the Russian MBT will be the T-72B3, it’s the most numerous. After, it will become the T-90M. About 10 years later, Armata will be brought to a battle-worthy product, and they will also optimize the price for it, and then they will start purchasing in large quantities.




        Will this happen at about the same time that ROFAR and Zircons will be put on the passenger TU-160? Your opinion is very interesting ......
  11. Old26
    Old26 31 January 2018 10: 26
    +1
    Quote: Simon
    Ah what! And Armata can be simultaneously released, quietly, and finalized along the way

    Still, it’s better to first refine and then release, than slowly release and modify
  12. Sailor
    Sailor 31 January 2018 10: 36
    0
    In Ukraine, most likely, baptism of fire will take place.
  13. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 31 January 2018 10: 45
    +1
    After all, they did not want to engage in modernization! Developed fittings. Can direct all funds to bring and fill this equipment in the troops?
  14. Lesorub
    Lesorub 31 January 2018 11: 04
    +2
    and weapons can now be used at all

    And before that there was no creep)) !!
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 31 January 2018 11: 45
      +4
      Yeah, the commanders forbade! laughing
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 31 January 2018 11: 45
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: activator
    so that the chair would not be empty.

    It will definitely NOT be empty. It’s just that KAZ, that DZ have one VERY BIG DEFICIENCY, they are very unsafe for their infantry, and KAZ will also shoot down ALL, indiscriminately, its own and alien, flying in its coverage area. And this greatly contradicts our tactics of using ground forces, where the tank goes ahead of the attacking infantry, and it is no longer necessary to talk about the full use of its weapons

    Well, for infantry, the operation of KAZ / DZ is not particularly scary, because a distance of 150-300 m is completely safe. It’s another matter that now you can’t shoot an anti-tank missile with a BMP - KAZ will probably intercept it.
    Not on the topic, but it was amusing: now the current BUSW has run its eyes, it turns out that the position of the infantryman is called "a place for shooting" and "a spare place for shooting." For a long time, of course, I studied the BUSW of my time, but for some reason the "firing position" was put aside in my head belay
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 1 February 2018 00: 03
      +2
      Quote: Doliva63
      It’s another matter that now you can’t shoot an anti-tank missile with a BMP - KAZ will probably intercept it.

      if you shoot at the tank, then yes just obliged to intercept. Everything that does not fly into the tank, KAZ ignores. KAZ also ignores retreating objects - for example, if the tank itself shoots ATGM
  16. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 31 January 2018 11: 49
    0
    It also became known that at the beginning of 2018, it is planned to complete the tests of the upgraded T-80BVM tank.

    Hurry already, and first equip the canting with them)))
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 31 January 2018 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      Hurry already, and first equip the canting with them)))

      Yes, the White House and Ears are not bad at shooting, they have enough front company. laughing tongue First of all, it is necessary to equip the border districts and units that are the first to meet the adversary.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 31 January 2018 21: 30
        +3
        Quote: kirgiz58
        Yes, the White House and Ears do not shoot badly

        There are 72 matches in Taman request
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 31 January 2018 22: 32
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          There are 72 matches in Taman

          But still, ears were fired at the white house. Isn't it Taman? Or did mabud at Tamani Tada Bula not T-72? Well that's it! I got lost! laughing
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 31 January 2018 22: 37
            +4
            Ears received cantemation since 1988.
            In Taman there were already seventy-two.
            Taman was shooting as far as I know (I personally do not know any of the shooters).
            I understood and share your idea - to equip the front-and-parquet parts with novim in the first place ... somehow it's kind of silly.
            But something tells me that they and that ... will be equipped request
            1. kirgiz58
              kirgiz58 31 January 2018 22: 47
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              In Taman there were already seventy-two.

              Now googled hastily - Kantemir tanks.
            2. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 1 February 2018 13: 35
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Ears Cantemation received, since 1988 ...
              I understood and share your idea - to equip the front-and-parquet parts with novim in the first place ... somehow it's kind of silly.
              But something tells me that they and that ... will be equipped

              Do you often spit on the souls of dead and living veterans? Even if we omit the combat merit of the 4th Panzer Corps during the Second World War, then say the same with respect to the combat unit, which is poked in all the hot spots (Chechnya and the 1st and 2nd, Kosovo, South Ossetia) at least ugly.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 1 February 2018 14: 17
                +3
                Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                Quote: from article
                As for the main differences from the T-90, they primarily include the new combat tower module, which ... significantly increased the combat capabilities of the tank, and weapons can now be used at all any time of the day.

                What is the strange phrase "at any time of the day"? You might think there are some tanks with the impossibility of using weapons after dinner, for example ... laughing

                Should I tell you where to go, or have you already understood?
                1. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 2 February 2018 12: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
                  Quote: from article
                  As for the main differences from the T-90, they primarily include the new combat tower module, which ... significantly increased the combat capabilities of the tank, and weapons can now be used at all any time of the day.

                  What is the strange phrase "at any time of the day"? You might think there are some tanks with the impossibility of using weapons after dinner, for example ... laughing

                  Should I tell you where to go, or have you already understood?

                  Are you lost and lost your orientation?
  17. igor1981
    igor1981 31 January 2018 13: 18
    +2
    The new T-90M tank will go into service with the Russian army in the coming months

    There probably is one inaccuracy here, not the T-90M, but the T-90AM will be correct.
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 31 January 2018 15: 44
      +1
      Variants of the modernized T-90 on the theme of the ROC “Breakthrough”:
      T-90AMK - the commander’s version of the T-90AM tank with additional communications and navigation equipment.
      T-90MS is an export version of the T-90AM tank.
      T-90MSK is an export version of the T-90AMK tank.
      T-90M - version of the tank on the subject of research and development "Breakthrough-3" with a gun 2A82-1M
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 1 February 2018 00: 55
        0
        Not bad for dusting the brains of the likely “partners”, the main thing is not to get confused. winked
  18. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 31 January 2018 23: 42
    +2
    by installing a target tracking machine

    this is something new. They did not say this before. Where did he come from? We like and the development of the ACS, brought to the series was not
  19. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 1 February 2018 08: 08
    0
    ... it became known that in early 2018 it is planned to complete the tests of the modernized T-80BVM tank.)))
    So many modifications on the T-80 were and still can not come to a common denominator.
  20. Maks-80
    Maks-80 1 February 2018 08: 59
    0
    It would be better if all forces were sent to the mass production of Almaty. And not the invention of a bicycle - the modernization of existing models.
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 1 February 2018 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: Maks-80
      It would be better if all forces were sent to the mass production of Almaty. And not the invention of a bicycle - the modernization of existing models.

      The richest countries cannot afford mass release new samples (even the manufacture of prototypes), but only carry out the modernization of the old. And Russia is already finding strength to roll the pre-series. What are you still missing?
    2. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 1 February 2018 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: Maks-80
      It would be better if all forces were sent to the mass production of Almaty. And not the invention of a bicycle - the modernization of existing models.

      The World War II was won by the modernized thirty-fours, and not by the fancy ISs or the Tigers super-tanks.
  21. Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 1 February 2018 09: 25
    +2
    Very sober approach. Armata, whatever you say, is firstly very expensive, and secondly, in fact, is still being tested. Plus, whether they say they will sell Armata in the near future. And so they pulled up their own aircraft, and the export potential of the sale of new tanks with this modernization was increased and they had the opportunity to have orders for the modernization of already delivered tanks. And given that T-90 is the main battle tank in India - it is possible to sell either upgrade kits for their tanks, or sell the possibility of modernization under license (they have a factory producing T-90)
  22. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 1 February 2018 13: 14
    +1
    Quote: from article
    As for the main differences from the T-90, they primarily include the new combat tower module, which ... significantly increased the combat capabilities of the tank, and weapons can now be used at all any time of the day.

    What is the strange phrase "at any time of the day"? You might think there are some tanks with the impossibility of using weapons after dinner, for example ... laughing
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 2 February 2018 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
      What is the strange phrase "at any time of the day"? You might think there are some tanks with the inability to use weapons after dinner, for example.

      yeah, after the lights out or before the rise - the old tanks then categorically forbade it! They didn’t start the engine, turned on the gears anyhow, blinked headlights and rotated the AZ conveyor without stopping - they say, what kind of catch you shot is yours))
      Apparently, it meant the all-day use, regardless of the dark and daylight hours and the presence of natural disturbances - heavy rain, snowfall, fog
      First of all, of course, this is the gunner’s sight “Sosna-U” with a thermal imaging channel and thermal imaging devices near the mechanical driver.
  23. Felixsoft
    Felixsoft 1 February 2018 20: 28
    0
    Have the bankruptcy of the Uralvagonzavod already been canceled?
    https://forum-msk.org/material/news/11886075.html
  24. Ivanov IV
    Ivanov IV 2 February 2018 09: 45
    0
    A tank is needed for operations in dense housing. Current tank models do not meet the requirements. This is evident even from that hand-made modernization in Syria, and indeed in the Donbass. We need a practically new tank with new features. And urgently, not later .......