Military Review

How the Soviet Army disappointed the Chinese

67
According to one Chinese military expert, the Soviet Army turned from a sample into a warning. The fate of this army is only regret. About this tells the publication of the Global Times.




The fate of the Soviet Army, which defeated the Nazis, and then opposed the United States and the West in general in the Cold War, is now only regrettable. This is reported in the Global Times by military expert Xu Yan, a professor at the National Defense Academy of the National Liberation Army of the PRC. With the collapse of the USSR, this army simply "took it and disappeared." According to the expert, despite the brilliant achievements, the Soviet leadership has forgotten the goals that were once set before the Red Army.

The Global Times recalls that a hundred years ago, on January 28, 1918, the SNK of the RSFSR adopted a decree establishing the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army. Later, the army turned into “a model of the revolutionary struggle for the distressed Chinese people, as well as numerous oppressed peoples of the world,” said Xu Yan, whose opinion leads "InoTV".

But here comes the 1991 year. In the USSR - internal political chaos. And "the heroic armed forces of the USSR, which defeated Nazism and opposed the USA in the Cold War," cease to exist. This fact was a great disappointment for the Chinese, and for other nations of the world.

Xu Yan also recalls that he had mixed feelings towards the USSR and the Red Army. Both the Union and its army initially represented the standard for Xu Yang and his peers, but then, when "ideology changed", the people of China realized: Soviet forces tend to "hegemonic behavior." As a result, many Chinese have brilliant memories of the Red Army intertwined with dark ones.

And still alive in the Celestial memory of the Soviet aid in the liberation of Chinese land from the Japanese occupation. And another thing: no matter how the West tries to belittle the merits of the Soviet troops in World War II, it was the Soviet Army that made the greatest contribution to the fight against the Nazis.

So why are these powerful troops having such a glorious history, did nothing at the time of the collapse of the USSR? This is the question asked by the Chinese military expert.

Among the reasons for this “nothing”: Western influence, leadership mistakes and, finally, the abandonment of the former ideas and ideals with which the Soviet Army was created — the ideas of the Great October Socialist Revolution. As a result, a powerful military force simply "collapsed from the inside."

Understandably, we note why the Chinese expert became interested in the history of military greatness and the ideological collapse of the Soviet Army. The Soviet Union is long gone, and the glorious history of its army is remembered not only in Russia, but also in China, and in other countries. Obviously, Xu Yan wants to learn a lesson from the collapse of the USSR and the ideological catastrophe of its armed forces. The refusal of the army from its original goals and ideas leads to "regret". This is a “warning”, which advises the Chinese military expert to wind his compatriots on a mustache.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
Photos used:
http://www.globallookpress.com/
67 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 31 January 2018 07: 43 New
    19
    But from the taiga to the British seas-
    The Red Army is all stronger! soldier
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 31 January 2018 07: 49 New
      13
      The refusal of the army from its original goals and ideas leads to "regret" ...
      - It is best to learn from ALIEN MISTAKES! God forbid that after our next "perestroika" the wise Chinese do not twist their fingers at the temple ...
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 31 January 2018 07: 56 New
        +7
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        best to learn from someone else's mistakes

        Smart learn from the mistakes of others, and fools from their own.
        1. Vladimir K.
          Vladimir K. 31 January 2018 08: 53 New
          12
          The wise learn from the mistakes of others, smart people learn from their own, and only fools do not learn from mistakes at all.
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 31 January 2018 08: 17 New
        18
        ... And also in China, they remember Stalin’s advice given to Mao Zedong in 1950: “Learn more from our mistakes than from our successes” ...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 31 January 2018 08: 51 New
          23
          1991 came. In the USSR, domestic political chaos. And "the heroic armed forces of the USSR, which prevailed over Nazism and opposed the United States in the Cold War," cease to exist. This fact was a big disappointment for the Chinese, and for other nations of the world.

          Indeed, the officers and communists who swore allegiance to the Soviet homeland and constituted a reliable stronghold of the country silently looked at how Yeltsin was destroying the USSR.
          They did not stand up for the defense of the Emergency Committee, which wanted to stop the bacchanalia created by Gorbachev and the EBN in 1991. But after two years, the army units defended Yeltsin himself, became famous throughout the world by shooting from tanks, the people of the elected parliament, in the White House, almost in the center of Moscow.
          For which Yeltsin thanked the military with beggarly salaries and collapse in the army. As a result, the most energetic and honest people left the army. There were losers who reconciled to the terrible situation, on the one hand. And thieves and bribe takers, on the other.
          These same officers have not gone anywhere, they still make up the backbone of the modern Russian army, despite the very positive developments in recent times. The constant corruption scandals associated with the higher generals environment eloquently testify to this.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 31 January 2018 13: 56 New
            +7
            But this is not entirely true - even some kind of submarine commander raised Andreev’s flag and refused to obey Yelitsin then, but the high command of the Fleet considered him a rebel and was an expense. Chinese confuses green and square. The army "did not protect the USSR" because the Army protects from the aggressor from the outside, and the internal disintegration is prevented not by Apmiya, but by law enforcement agencies. That’s how the KGB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs screwed up, they did not stop the usurpation of power by the nomenclature (removing the CPSU from the control of the KGB) and thereby allowed the humpbacked and subsequent events to come to power. The blame for the collapse lies with the CPSU, which did not ensure the replacement of patriots in power and with the admission in managing (undivided) the country of such shit and mediocrity as "tagged." negative
            In China, there is a tendency to "belittle the significance of Russia of the USSR" and this is a bad trend, followed by "they do not rightfully own Siberia," etc.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 31 January 2018 07: 49 New
      23
      So why didn’t these powerful troops, having such a glorious history, do anything at the time of the collapse of the USSR? This is the question that Chinese military expert.
      it means he’s not an “expert” if he doesn’t understand a simple thing: the army is the same people, and we don’t need a civil war anymore, one is enough.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 January 2018 08: 03 New
        +7
        Already smart ones who learn from mistakes !!! Anyone who learns from strangers, at all from the category of sages !!!
        1. Berber
          Berber 31 January 2018 08: 44 New
          +1
          Each has its own rake, and many still have more than one. So, I absolutely agree.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 31 January 2018 09: 38 New
            +2
            Such a kind cone, but in the middle of the forehead, can dramatically stimulate mental processes. what
            Here is the second bump, but next to it, at the opposite hints! Not for the future wassat
      2. Mar.Tirah
        Mar.Tirah 31 January 2018 08: 11 New
        12
        There was nothing to defend. And there was no one to lead this defense. The Americans blessed Yeltsin, threw Bush's legs, and other crap. There was no external threat, which the Russian people always opposed. Now there is nothing to defend either. At least in the Kremlin. But there is an external threat. This is where our people hold power. The same can be said about China. In their ideology, from love to hate, one step. As the great helmsman says, that’s how it will be. We have already seen and experienced these examples this "love". Personally, I am on the Soviet-Chinese border in 1969, so let him not sing.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 31 January 2018 08: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          The same thing I can say about China. In their ideology, from love to hate, one step. As the great helmsman says, it will be so. We have already seen these examples, and have experienced this "love."

          If our politicians of that time did not behave like hegemons towards China, Grechko would not have to “plug up holes with soldier's greatcoats” in the figurative expression. I agree with the rest in the post.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 31 January 2018 09: 16 New
          +8
          The people always have something to protect!
          At those who have joined the slender ranks of the world community, capital, etc. of universal values, only personal, selfish interests remain ... for them they stand up to them, conditionally, because they push others for it !!!
          It’s time for us to BECOME for our, PEOPLE’s interests and sweep the whole riffraff from our path!
          1. SEER
            SEER 2 February 2018 04: 13 New
            0
            Quote: rocket757

            It’s time for us to BECOME for our, PEOPLE’s interests and sweep the whole riffraff from our path!
            Come on, get up! Lead the team for people's interests! Himself is ready to raise the fifth point? or language is ready to throw only slogans?
            Do not say “to us” from “ours,” if you yourself cannot say “I”.
            I arrived in Moscow on September 13, 1992. I thought that for 3 days.
            I got home to Volgograd in the coming May days, also for three days. then almost two years Novy Urengoy, then again Moscow, since 2004 Moscow region. younger brother, mom is already here too.
            mnu had an opinion about local ones i.e. Moscow.
            first communication: “I” can, “I” know, “I” know everyone ...
            how the problems begin, “WE” arises: “we” will think, “we” calculated so, wait for “our” solution ...
            and you immediately come in with "we". what? no self-confidence?
            sturgeon cutting at least in slogans.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 2 February 2018 14: 49 New
              0
              From where did such a lamb pop up, died out like a species like those sturgeons?
              Okay, row further on which is from Volgograd, and WE WITH FRIENDS, who will continue to work from STALINGRAD. For all of us!
              1. SEER
                SEER 2 February 2018 15: 22 New
                0
                o5t started talking with slogans? demagogue lured
        3. Dmitry Khromkov
          Dmitry Khromkov 6 February 2018 12: 56 New
          0
          It’s with these legs of Bush that the people were poisoned.
      3. apro
        apro 31 January 2018 08: 54 New
        +1
        Andrei Yurievich. I do not agree. The army has transformed from a school of courage into an ordinary obligation. With all the consequences.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 31 January 2018 08: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        it means he’s not an “expert” if he doesn’t understand a simple thing: the army is the same people, and we don’t need a civil war anymore, one is enough.

        They will also order the White House in Moscow, with the people elected, to wipe it into powder! If they went to fight with Yeltsin’s civilians, then they will not stand aside for Putin.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 31 January 2018 09: 48 New
          +1
          Let's hope for the sanity of the country's leadership. Our army is a real force, an instrument in the hands of the state!
      5. Ber
        Ber 31 January 2018 09: 37 New
        +1
        This grief expert, among other things, forgot that under the constitution of the USSR each republic had the right to secede from the USSR, and under the same constitution the Soviet Army did not have the right to prevent this. Here are the republics and left the USSR is it called democracy now?

        It was not the Army that was obliged to monitor this, but the Central Committee and the KGB of the USSR, but Gorbachev and the top leaders with cometers betrayed the country, for the preservation of the POLITICAL system is the work of the KGB.

        I honestly doubt that the translation is correct because the Chinese language is specific.

        In general, with the correct use of words, under these liberals of Yeltsin, the theater is completely absurd, as with the homo-idiot Svanidze, a person with a university education,
        but speaks like an ignoramus with 5 classes of education.

        In the legacy of the Yeltsin era, we got a lot of nonsense.
        For example; The lower house of the Russian parliament cannot be called the State Duma, but only Republican Duma, it doesn’t matter which republic we have in the future parliamentary or presidential as it is now, the lower house is the Republican Duma,
        since Russia is a republic, not a monarchist empire.

        For in the absence of the Sovereign Emperor, the word state in official documents it cannot be used, since the state is the territory of the submitted (under tribute) of God's anointed Sovereign. Sovereign State Emperor. In vernacular as you want and say so, but here legally literate people say so means to show their complete incompetence.
        The supporters of the Yeltsin’s system would learn from the fifth Republic to use words correctly,
        not New Jurassic burgers ...)))

        There is a lot of nonsense of the Yeltsin era, so the sleeves also translate Chinese texts.

        Understandably, we note why the Chinese expert became interested in the history of military greatness and the ideological collapse of the Soviet Army. The Soviet Union is long gone, and the glorious history of its army is remembered not only in Russia, but also in China, and in other countries. Obviously, Xu Yan wants to learn a lesson from the collapse of the USSR and the ideological catastrophe of its armed forces. The refusal of the army from its original goals and ideas leads to "regret". This is a “warning”, which advises the Chinese military expert to wind his compatriots on a mustache.


        There are many contradictions in China, and not only with the Uyghurs and Tibet but also north and south as the heirs of two past empires; therefore, Xu Yan is rather concerned about the formation in the Chinese Army of an alternative to the Chinese KGB, so that if he were betrayed as the KGB of the USSR, the Chinese People’s Army would legally could intervene, for in the Soviet Army there were no such powers.

        The correct translation would be read, not a few sentences taken out of context.
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 31 January 2018 08: 55 New
      12
      And who was to defend request The CPSU itself was ruining the country, turning into businessmen, and they were waiting for an order to action from the State Emergency Committee, but they did not wait. request
      1. activator
        activator 31 January 2018 09: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: vlad66
        and from the GKChP they were waiting for an order to action, but they did not wait

        ORDER FROM THESE POWERless elders with shaking hands? I recall my urgency, commanders with big stars, and I understand that there weren’t such decision-makers there and the selection system was such that not smart and decisive, but cunning and petty ones moved upstairs. Here's what can be said about the commander of the regiment which ran checking the lenkomnaty and scribbling everyone for an oblique portrait of Lenin, and a year later he was running the same way with the swindlers, so that God forbid the portrait of a Shevchenko without a rushnyk was hanging. What were they capable of? There were men officers who were quick to act, but for some reason they were deprived of their ranks and posts.
        1. SEER
          SEER 2 February 2018 04: 31 New
          0
          Quote: activator
          Quote: vlad66
          and from the GKChP they were waiting for an order to action, but they did not wait

          ORDER FROM THESE POWERless elders with shaking hands? I recall my urgency, commanders with big stars, and I understand that there weren’t such decision-makers there and the selection system was such that not smart and decisive, but cunning and petty ones moved upstairs. Here's what can be said about the commander of the regiment which ran checking the lenkomnaty and scribbling everyone for an oblique portrait of Lenin, and a year later he was running the same way in the same way that God forbid the portrait of a Shevchenko without a rushnyk was hanging. What were they capable of? There were also men officers capable of an act, but for some reason deprived of their ranks and posts.

          the first time I agree with you.
          I ended up urgently on November 13, 1989, in military unit 03205, Kazan, ShMAS, VUS - "mechanic of radar and missile guidance systems ed.01".
          Under the sporting and noble “dad” (Colonel Nabiev), several officers nevertheless represented complete ubl.kov. one of them is my "company", major. he was ready to give me the very expensive electronic equipment to be torn to pieces if only I could fix the emergency gang on him in his Muscovite 2140. I barely got out - I asked two ct315b from an old man from a radio room ...
          although the service itself was very good for me and very good for health was reflected in a good way.
    4. New
      New 31 January 2018 09: 27 New
      12
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The Red Army is all stronger!
      This army has not been around for a long time.
      In the USSR, there were gross miscalculations in education; the generation of tumbleweed grew, which betrayed its homeland for the sake of capitalist prosperity. And now the same generation is voting for a batch of robbers and oligarchs.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 January 2018 09: 50 New
        +1
        This generation if you vote, then for what is! Which choice?
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 31 January 2018 07: 48 New
    14
    And I am proud of the Soviet Army, for all its shortcomings, invented and real, I swore to it, sometimes I look at a military card, where I am a 16 year old kid (there was no other photo at that time), I remember the textbook, my colleagues, how I became a man. I wanted to become pros, but health failed. My dad fought, my childhood was spent in garrisons. I respectfully look at the modern Russian Army!
  3. HEATHER
    HEATHER 31 January 2018 07: 53 New
    +2
    The first paragraph of the article is a masterpiece! There are still stupid Chinese whales in China! wassat
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 31 January 2018 09: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: VERESK
      The first paragraph of the article is a masterpiece! There are still stupid Chinese whales in China!

      The Chinese have a folk wisdom that says: "You must ask the fisherman about the sea." And about the Soviet army, if not its officer or soldier, then, at least, the citizens of the former USSR. From what reassurance did SA suddenly cause him regret? And where did she (SA) disappear? Yes, the Union collapsed, but there were difficult times for the army. Thank God they survived. The modern Russian army has not grown from scratch. So what about
      just “picked up and disappeared”
      here the Chinese comrade is wrong. The traditions of the SA have not disappeared. Many still have their uniforms hanging in closets. And some people have reinforced loop for a hanger. It seems to me that the Chinese did not take up their business.
      I would like to say to this Xu Yan: "Do not syu your yang into our army and our history."
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 31 January 2018 09: 53 New
        +5
        I know very well the psychology of China. In my childhood I lived not far, then I shot a little. Now, we are trying to develop something. Nichrome cannot work out. They pull, we push. They are also friends.
      2. avt
        avt 31 January 2018 09: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Polite Elk
        And where did she (SA) disappear?

        Self-dissolved at the ,, officers meeting "led by the marshal, who laughs" - Shaposhnikov. Forgot ?
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 31 January 2018 11: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: avt
          Self-dissolved at the ,, officers meeting "led by the marshal, who laughs" - Shaposhnikov. Forgot ?

          Those times are hard to forget. As for “self-dissolution,” then everyone chose his own path. Someone left, but someone stayed. I do not blame anyone. Any choice is worthy of respect. Among my relatives, former classmates and classmates, there are several people who have found this transition period from socialism to democracy. I remember how the last horseradish without salt was eaten up. Almost everyone remained to serve. Some of the 1st and 2nd Chechen hit. Yes, what can I say, almost everyone has such servants among friends or relatives. This is the Soviet army.
          1. avt
            avt 31 January 2018 11: 11 New
            +3
            Quote: Polite Elk
            Any choice is worthy of respect.

            wassat Yes !? Vlasov, too, can be understood, forgiven? He, like, with Stalinism, decided to fight in a roundabout way. Well, if something like an ordinary junior and even average command staff, understand, forgive "in accordance with
            Unquestioningly comply with all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.
            possible to senior management again in accordance with
            I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every possible way and to be loyal to my People, my Soviet Homeland and the Soviet Government until the last breath.
            I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve a complete victory over enemies .
            Since they themselves were members of this Government and the Central Committee of the CPSU, that is, the Supreme Leadership of the USSR Country, began to be
            If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the Soviet people
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 31 January 2018 12: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: avt
              Yes !? Vlasov, too, you can, understand, forgive "?

              I do not quite understand what Vlasov has to do with it. In my commentary, I wrote about respecting the choice of officers to serve or not to serve in the Soviet army. And those who made their choice and resigned were somehow incorrectly compared with the members of the “Russian Liberation Army” Vlasov. Voluntary resignation is not a betrayal. Commander in Chief with a new thought and laughing Shaposhnikov - this is not the whole Soviet army.
  4. Zubr
    Zubr 31 January 2018 07: 55 New
    +4
    Well, like this. Chinese colleagues, in this case you are mistaken. The concept has not changed. But the doctrine, material support has changed. We do not pursue glory; revolution is not our business. Calmly, without pathos, dragging the service. In the end, we go to a qualitatively different level. So, that Chinese EXPERTS ... smoke aside.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 31 January 2018 08: 05 New
      +2
      It’s calm, without noise and dust, and it is CORRECT !!!
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 31 January 2018 08: 17 New
        +3
        Well, it’s impossible in another way, personally I really like to make unexpected surprises to a potential enemy in the event of his expansion.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 31 January 2018 09: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: Zubr
          personally, I really like to make unexpected surprises to a potential adversary in the event of his expansion.

          Right on the couch? laughing
          1. Zubr
            Zubr 31 January 2018 09: 25 New
            +3
            smile smile smile this place has never failed. Lets relax and think ..
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 31 January 2018 21: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Zubr
              Lets relax and think ..

              relax and think, usually elsewhere. On the couch you can think, and relaxing is fraught with consequences .... foul smelling laughing
              1. Zubr
                Zubr 31 January 2018 22: 13 New
                +2
                I can not argue with you about this .. laughing If these are your methods, and even with foul-smelling consequences, then you and I are clearly not on the way ... laughing
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 31 January 2018 09: 10 New
          +3
          Very reasonable tactics.
          Now there are only PR managers near the authorities, there are no way to name such statesmen, talkers are shorter. It’s especially cool / embarrassing to listen to those who crucify for trampolines, and then they have rockets lying around !!!
          Who rules the country ??? In the normal way, nothing can be said, but in truth, the mother ... the admin does not order!
  5. Graz
    Graz 31 January 2018 08: 01 New
    +2
    But here comes the 1991 year. In the USSR - internal political chaos. And "the heroic armed forces of the USSR, which defeated Nazism and opposed the USA in the Cold War," cease to exist. This fact was a great disappointment for the Chinese, and for other nations of the world.


    so the army is a part of the people, people from the same people serve in it, with the same problems and requirements, so what was society like, was the army
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 January 2018 08: 05 New
    +5
    . The army should not decide the internal affairs of the country. If she does, it turns out to be a Civil War, a sea of ​​blood - and, in fact, nothing good.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 31 January 2018 08: 21 New
      +3
      Go to Chile and tell them all this ...
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 31 January 2018 12: 08 New
      0
      In most countries of the world this is not so. And in the PRC, if necessary, the army intervenes in internal processes.
      1. SEER
        SEER 2 February 2018 04: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        In most countries of the world this is not so. And in the PRC, if necessary, the army intervenes in internal processes.

        intervenes of course, only not spontaneously, but there is some kind of center of power, a group of officers, "revolutionary soldiers / sailors" who / who loudly take / take responsibility and direct / lead the process. show when it was not so.
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 31 January 2018 19: 32 New
      0
      do not you remember how the army, in the person of Zhukov, intervened?
  7. Simon
    Simon 31 January 2018 08: 13 New
    +1
    The Soviet army has not disappeared, it just degenerated into the Russian! But the Russian spirit, honor and strength remained. The countries affected by the aggressor will always be assisted, as in Syria. soldier
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 31 January 2018 08: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Simon
      The Soviet army has not disappeared, it just degenerated into the Russian! But the Russian spirit, honor and strength remained.

      Why so close? Maybe the rebirth began with the mass dismissal of officers after the withdrawal of troops on the orders of the HMS? Or, when tanks were fired at in parliament (still say that there were enemies of the people whom they joyfully released a month later)? Or when "She drowned"?
  8. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2018 08: 15 New
    +4
    RўR ° Rє RїRѕS RμRјSѓ ‡ ‰ R¶Rμ SЌS,Ro RјRѕS RЅS <Rμ RІRѕR№SЃRєR °, RoRјRμSЋS ‰ RoRμ SЃS,RѕR "SЊ SЃR" P ° RІRЅSѓSЋ RoSЃS,RѕSЂRoSЋ, RЅRoS ‡ RμRіRѕ RЅRμ RїSЂRμRґRїSЂRoRЅSЏR "PI RјRѕRјRμRЅS Ryo, SЂR ° СЃРїР ° РґР ° РЎРЎРЎР? R'RѕS ‚тР° РєРёРј РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃРѕРј Р · Р ° РґР ° С'тся китР° Р№СЃРєРёР№ военны Р№ эксперС.
    -------------------------------
    The false paradigm is that "army and navy" are outside politics. Although in some states the army plays a huge stabilizing role - Egypt, Turkey, China, for example. And in the case of democratic quacks of civilian institutions of power, it quickly re-establishes the status quo accepted in society, displacing too exotic leaders. Dmitry Yazov and other army men did not intervene in perestroika at one time and, as a result, he himself became a victim of perestroika.
    PS But under the Soviet regime, political information and lectures on political education were constantly read to personnel.
  9. Altona
    Altona 31 January 2018 08: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    a sea of ​​blood - and, in fact, nothing good.

    ----------------------
    The dissenting forces, which still have leverage, usually carry out the disease. Neighbor will not go to arrange seabor.
  10. insular
    insular 31 January 2018 08: 18 New
    +4
    The Russian Federation is the Soviet Union. All those soldiers and commanders who did not change the Soviet oath and did not give it twice - is the Red Army.
    And what do we see now? And the fact that a limited contingent with almost limitless possibilities accomplishes the impossible, in the shortest possible time and destroys what the whole world called the main threat to humanity ... Alone. Again.
    So no, our yellowstone is a friend, wrong. The Red Army is more alive than all the living and again the world roars "Russians are coming!" And more and more voices are heard: “Russians, send in troops, help!”.
    No one is asking for help from the PLA.
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 31 January 2018 08: 19 New
    +4
    We have such a tradition. The army and generals appear only during the war and then after we get large lyuli. And in peacetime, we paint the grass, but at the summer cottages we spud potatoes ...
  12. apro
    apro 31 January 2018 08: 29 New
    +2
    The army lost its fighting spirit. The Soviet army did not carry out aggressive operations. The passive defense leads to a dead end. The ill-conceived personnel policy. Excessive numbers. degeneration of professionalism. gigontomania does not correspond to real threats.
  13. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 31 January 2018 08: 31 New
    +4
    The comrade did not understand, in the goals and objectives of the army of the USSR, and then Russia. And it is intended, first of all, to protect the country and people from an external enemy and create conditions for the people to choose a political system and leader, and not to participate in internal political disassembly, as in other banana states.
  14. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 31 January 2018 10: 24 New
    +1
    RўR ° Rє RїRѕS RμRјSѓ ‡ ‰ R¶Rμ SЌS,Ro RјRѕS RЅS <Rμ RІRѕR№SЃRєR °, RoRјRμSЋS ‰ RoRμ SЃS,RѕR "SЊ SЃR" P ° RІRЅSѓSЋ RoSЃS,RѕSЂRoSЋ, RЅRoS ‡ RμRіRѕ RЅRμ RїSЂRμRґRїSЂRoRЅSЏR "PI RјRѕRјRμRЅS Ryo, SЂR ° СЃРїР ° РґР ° РЎРЎРЎР? R'RѕS ‚тР° РєРёРј РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃРѕРј Р · Р ° РґР ° С'тся китР° Р№СЃРєРёР№ военны Р№ эксперС.

    But the expert does not specify - on whose side was the army supposed to speak in August 1991?
    Gorbachev, who betrayed the army and specialists in Tbilisi, Baku and Vilnius? An incomprehensible GKChP, from which for 3 days the army never received clear orders?
    Or, perhaps, the army should have organized a military coup against a more or less lawfully elected government? So such thoughts were knocked out of the army from the beginning of the 30s.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 31 January 2018 12: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      But the expert does not specify - on whose side was the army supposed to speak in August 1991?
      Gorbachev, who betrayed the army and specialists in Tbilisi, Baku and Vilnius? An incomprehensible GKChP, from which for 3 days the army never received clear orders?

      That is, because of an insult to Gorbachev, the army decided to betray, with its inaction, the USSR? But, soon, she came out on the side of the alcoholic Yeltsin, in 1993, whom she apparently was not offended. She drove the tanks into the center of Moscow, and shot the people’s parliament out of cannons. She showed in practice that she can oppose the civilian population. Thus, the army became a reliable defender of the oligarchic regime.
      I, I think, the whole matter is not in the army itself, but in its top, in the loyalty of those officers who control it. Where the commanders fathers lead, so be it.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 31 January 2018 14: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Stas157
        That is, because of an insult to Gorbachev, the army decided to betray, with its inaction, the USSR?

        Once again - which side was the army supposed to take in 1991? The president? Supreme Council? GKChP? EBN? Who was the side that would save the USSR?
        And in general, since when did the army begin to fulfill the duties of an internal political police? The fight against separatism is the last task of the armed forces. Where were the valiant security officers? Where did the organs look? smile
        Quote: Stas157
        But, soon, she came out on the side of the alcoholic Yeltsin, in 1993, whom she apparently was not offended. She drove the tanks into the center of Moscow, and shot the people’s parliament out of cannons.

        Army ... In 1993, in the whole Arbat district, EBN managed to assemble only one company group, faithful to the president.
  15. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 31 January 2018 10: 52 New
    +2
    article is a warning that one should not rely on the army when the political vector changes from above, the question is what will the army do with the liberal government if we happen to or after 6 years, will we write again as partners?
  16. Hort
    Hort 31 January 2018 11: 08 New
    0
    the people of the PRC realized: the “hegemonic behavior” is characteristic of Soviet troops. As a result, many Chinese have brilliant memories of the Red Army intertwined with gloomy.

    after Damansky, see
  17. Geronimo73
    Geronimo73 31 January 2018 11: 34 New
    +1
    All right, the Chinese said. the Soviet army rested in Bose in 1991. so we have nothing to celebrate on February 23
  18. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 31 January 2018 12: 11 New
    +2
    This modern Confucius is generally right.
  19. Markder
    Markder 31 January 2018 22: 12 New
    0
    True said. We exchanged our workers' peasant, popular ideology and power for a liberal, pro-Western ideology; - for 30 pieces of silver they gave free rein to all sorts of hucksters, businessmen, corrupt officials and shopkeepers, and the majority of honest people found themselves in the slaughter of this dishonesty.
    1. SEER
      SEER 2 February 2018 05: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Markader
      True said. We exchanged our workers' peasant, popular ideology and power for a liberal, pro-Western ideology; - for 30 pieces of silver they gave free rein to all sorts of hucksters, businessmen, corrupt officials and shopkeepers, and the majority of honest people found themselves in the slaughter of this dishonesty.

      dear, please tell me where they gave, as you said, "30 pieces of silver"?
      can you come and pick up now? otherwise I’d like to replenish the account ...
      PySy: Somehow recently, very many people have appeared, talking with slogans.
      If for me: I did not change the ideology, although I do not trust the modern representatives of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and will not give a hand and a penny. I didn’t shoot a tank at BiD, but for me, Mokashov, Khasbulatov and Rutskoi are as unfinished as Yeltsin / Gorbachev.
      For me, the State Emergency Committee is the dull people that Gorbachev used.
      for me, the era of "ever-drunk" is "dark years" under the slogan "brothers in the west, foreign countries will help us."
      for me, the arrival of Putin - "we are finally lucky."
      for me, Putin’s foreign policy is good, but domestic policy needs a VERY strong correction.
      for me, Navalny, Zyuganov, Sobchak are incapable, for various reasons, people. Grudinin is generally a scum, I N, Z, C know Toko on TV but at least I personally saw / heard / questions and answers - nafig.
      at the moment I said everything.
  20. Dmitry Khromkov
    Dmitry Khromkov 6 February 2018 12: 58 New
    0
    As I understand it, in the article the expert himself is afraid of the collapse of the Chinese army.