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Gazprom: Europe does not want to buy gas along the Ukrainian corridor

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The international rating agency Moody's, which recently raised its forecast for economic dynamics in Russia, released data on how much external debt the Ukrainian economy will reach in 2018. According to Moody's, the total external debt of Ukraine in 2018 will beat historical a record and will exceed 104,5% of the country's GDP.


At the same time, the state debt of Ukraine will amount to 72,3% of GDP with a current account balance deficit of 5,5%.

Such data from an international rating agency actually suggests that Moody's does not believe that Ukraine will start repaying foreign debt in the current year. After all, if such a repayment took place, then the debt bracket would be reduced to about 90-92% of GDP.

Against this background, in the Russian “Gazprom” they report that the European partners of Russia do not wish to purchase gas, having Ukraine in transit countries.

While at the European Gas Conference in Vienna, Deputy Chairman of the Board of Gazprom Alexander Medvedev said the following:
The volume of gas transit through Ukraine after 2019 will depend on the transit conditions and demand in Europe. We have offered to many countries to receive gas from the Ukrainian corridor, but they said, thank you, we’d rather get a new corridor.


Gazprom: Europe does not want to buy gas along the Ukrainian corridor


One of these corridors, as noted in the company, could be “Nord Stream-2”.
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  1. Dormidont
    Dormidont 30 January 2018 18: 32 New
    +3
    Could enter in Svidomo "peacekeepers" to protect the pipe from Svidomo
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 January 2018 18: 34 New
      +6
      Why protect a rusty pipe? Yes, they themselves will harm themselves with statements about the destruction of the gas pipeline.
      Quote: Dormidont
      Could introduce "peacekeepers" to protect the pipe from Svidomo
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 30 January 2018 18: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Dormidont
        Could introduce "peacekeepers" to protect the pipe from Svidomo
        - Here the floor of China will have to be installed through every meter of pipe! THEY, and now they are digging at the ball, only almost so impudently!
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 30 January 2018 18: 39 New
      12
      Quote: Dormidont
      Could introduce "peacekeepers" to protect the pipe from Svidomo

      In order to protect something, it is necessary that it is something, at least some value ...
      A pile of scrap metal, buried in the land of a used second-hand Ukraine and not modernized for decades, does not need protection ...
      All that Svidomo did - under Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and the present: they gutted the gutless and stole the non-gutted ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 30 January 2018 18: 55 New
        +4
        Europe does not want to buy gas along the Ukrainian corridor

        Everything is in the Christmas tree! We also do not want to drive gas for Europe through the Ukrainian GTS! fellow What a unity with European "brothers"! It is a pity that, according to Stockholm, 5billion will have to be driven through their pipe after the 2019 year. So as not to bend completely.
        1. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 30 January 2018 19: 22 New
          +3
          something I don’t remember there are lines about the obligation of Russia from 2019 to 5 lard of gas through ukroGTS to drive, at what reality?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 30 January 2018 20: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Andrey K
        In order to protect something, it is necessary that it is something, at least some value ... A pile of scrap metal, buried in the land in / on used Ukraine and not modernized for decades, does not need protection ...
        It cannot be said that Ukraine’s gas transportation system is not needed by Russia. With the introduction of the Nord Stream, Russia simply nullified the significance of their pipe, which in the future can no longer be traded and make transit dependent on the vagaries of any “dominion”. T.ch. the volume of gas needed to maintain the hydraulic system in working condition will be pumped according to anyone, it will simply be furnished with conditions that urkain will not be able to influence. The gas pipeline has been operating for over 30 years. And the coup d'etat on urkain also “did not celebrate the five-year plan,” but it already drove the population of “winners and Euro-socialists” into anguish. Duriki seized power in 2014, sooner or later they will hang on the lampposts along Khreshchatyk - this is a matter of time. And the trumpet, like a donor’s vein, will be counted among the saints, to whom the “Young Europeans” in trousers and embroidered shirts, who survived in the fight against common sense, will pray because the resumption of transit will give at least some money to the empty treasury.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 30 January 2018 21: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          It cannot be said that Ukraine’s gas transportation system is not needed by Russia. With the introduction of the Nord Stream, Russia simply nullified the value of their pipe,


          Have you ever looked at real statistics?
          There is more gas transit through Urkaina than via Yamal + Nord Stream combined ...

          What reset? Is your thinking nullified?
          Well you at least take a little interest in statistics ..
          How do you need to go back to school: study, study and study ...
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 30 January 2018 21: 17 New
            14
            Quote: ZVO
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            It cannot be said that Ukraine’s gas transportation system is not needed by Russia. Russia with the introduction of the Nord Stream simply nullified the value of their pipe

            Quote: ZVO
            Have you ever looked at real statistics? There is more gas transit through Urkaina than along the Yamal + Nord Stream combined ... What has reset? Is your thinking nullified?
            Well, at least take a little interest in statistics .. How do you need to go back to school: study, study and study ...
            Before throwing stools, try to understand what you read. Any set of “beeches”, besides words, also carries a semantic load. In my specific phrase: - "Russia with the introduction of the Nord Stream simply nullified the value of their pipe" the point is that the URKAIN PIPE STOPS TO BE A POLITICAL TOOL FOR PRESSURE ON RUSSIA. I did not question the estimated capacity of the GTS and the volume of pumping. Clearly, the Russian language is written; - "" ""nullified the significance of their pipe, which in the future can no longer be subject to bargaining and make transit dependent on the vagaries of any"" "" So, dear Uzbek, and again slowly and thoughtfully re-read my previous comment. hi
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 30 January 2018 22: 19 New
              +3
              Dmitry, I warned him that the dialogue is not built like this, but does not understand.
              You are right, because in addition to the Nord Stream -1, 2 there is already Blue Stream and LNG, the Turkish Stream, the Power of Siberia is under construction. We are three pipelines for 55 billion. in China built. And at the end of the year they threw a branch from the western KZ - the Russian Federation can now stick into it and pump gas into China. Thus, in 19-20 .. The Ukrainian GTS of Ukraine will no longer play a role for Moscow even financially.
              But the GTS will play a big role for Ukraine’s neighbors, one of them is Poland. If before Kiev and the EU and the Russian Federation offered to repair it, now, apart from them, no one will need it. So let's see how they will cope. I think that the "dog" will be notable. hi
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 30 January 2018 22: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Kasym
                Dmitry, I warned him that the dialogue is not built like this, but does not understand.
                Probably he’s just not fired yet and has not been tested by tanks wink
                Quote: Kasym
                But the GTS will play a big role for Ukraine’s neighbors, one of them is Poland. If before Kiev and the EU and the Russian Federation offered to repair it, now, apart from them, no one will need it. So let's see how they will cope. I think that the "dog" will be notable.

                I agree. They will dog so that the crack will stand over the whole of Europe yes
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 30 January 2018 23: 20 New
                  +5
                  Or young.
                  Dmitry, some more interesting points.
                  1. Austria invests in S.P-1,2 - it will not suffer. Czech Zeman, who was reelected, achieved the re-conservation of Opal (the pipeline built by Gazprom in the EU, but was “frozen” due to energy packages) will not suffer either. Hungarian Orban has already raised the issue of gas supply several times - Gazprom will probably take off so that the Hungarians do not suffer. Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. remain dependent. from the Ukrainian GTS - all Russophobes, except for Serbia, probably.
                  2. Eurodotings should have stopped after 2020, but due to brexit the process has already begun. Poles, for example, received 13 billion euros per year; Baltic States - 3 billion, etc.
                  It turns out that they lose their income from gas transit (1) (or its reduction) and aid from the EU (2). And then there are countersanctions that closed access to the eastern market (3). Where to get the subsidies from - the States are not used to this, it is impossible to finance Eastern Europe in such a volume. Moreover, they demand an increase in defense spending (4) and buy their energy resources (the rise in price of energy leads to a rise in price of everything) (5). As a result, we get 5 financial blows in the near 3 years to the whole of Eastern Europe. Question: Will they stand? Will Russophobia remain in the wake or will they be converted again?
                  I am sure, Dmitry, that many will beat the forehead of the tsar-priest in the Kremlin. I thought that before 23 years, but now I think that before. Very, very soon we will see diplomats from V. Europe hanging out in Moscow. They will sing that they deceived and betrayed, etc. etc.. hi
              2. ZVO
                ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 51 New
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                Dmitry, I warned him that the dialogue is not built like this, but does not understand.
                You are right, because in addition to the Nord Stream -1, 2 there is already Blue Stream and LNG, the Turkish Stream, the Power of Siberia is under construction. We are three pipelines for 55 billion. in China built. And at the end of the year they threw a branch from the western KZ - the Russian Federation can now stick into it and pump gas into China. Thus, in 19-20 .. The Ukrainian GTS of Ukraine will no longer play a role for Moscow even financially.
                But the GTS will play a big role for Ukraine’s neighbors, one of them is Poland. If before Kiev and the EU and the Russian Federation offered to repair it, now, apart from them, no one will need it. So let's see how they will cope. I think that the "dog" will be notable. hi


                Whom did you warn. friend unconscious with himself misunderstood thinking?
                SP-2 - does not exist. and you're lying about it.
                The strength of Siberia - still under construction - will be terribly unprofitable, because it was financed on the basis of oil prices of $ 120, when the binding of gas prices to oil was very strong. and now the situation has changed.
                When a Turkish stream in 1-2 threads is only for Turkey. and the rest of the thread is again under the agreement of the Geyropa.

                You are just lying. Either you lie consciously, then you are the enemy of Russia, or you cook according to your own thoughtlessness - then study the materiel. the real one.
            2. ZVO
              ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Quote: ZVO
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              It cannot be said that Ukraine’s gas transportation system is not needed by Russia. Russia with the introduction of the Nord Stream simply nullified the value of their pipe

              Quote: ZVO
              Have you ever looked at real statistics? There is more gas transit through Urkaina than along the Yamal + Nord Stream combined ... What has reset? Is your thinking nullified?
              Well, at least take a little interest in statistics .. How do you need to go back to school: study, study and study ...
              Before throwing stools, try to understand what you read. Any set of “beeches”, besides words, also carries a semantic load. In my specific phrase: - "Russia with the introduction of the Nord Stream simply nullified the value of their pipe" the point is that the URKAIN PIPE STOPS TO BE A POLITICAL TOOL FOR PRESSURE ON RUSSIA. I did not question the estimated capacity of the GTS and the volume of pumping. Clearly, the Russian language is written; - "" ""nullified the significance of their pipe, which in the future can no longer be subject to bargaining and make transit dependent on the vagaries of any"" "" So, dear Uzbek, and again slowly and thoughtfully re-read my previous comment. hi


              It’s impossible to “zero out” that. which is an overwhelming amount.
              Zero personally for yourself 65% of your home ... Give it to someone ..
              Zero personally for yourself 65% of your salary, pension ... Give them to someone. especially knowing. that all your money, 100% before zeroing, is needed not only by you. but you promised them to your sisters. brothers. children, etc.
              You just don’t understand. what are you writing about.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 31 January 2018 22: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: ZVO
                It’s impossible to “zero out” that. which is an overwhelming amount.
                Zero personally for yourself 65% of your home ... Give it to someone ..
                Zero personally for yourself 65% of your salary, pension ... Give them to someone. especially knowing. that all your money, 100% before zeroing, is needed not only by you. but you promised them to your sisters. brothers. children, etc.
                You just don’t understand. what are you writing about.
                belay I sincerely sympathize with you .... but even more to those who are close to you stop Do not give thanks
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 31 January 2018 23: 07 New
                  0
                  [quote = Nyrobsky]
                  You just don’t understand. what are you writing about. [/ quote] belay I sincerely sympathize with you .... but even more to those who are close to you stop Do not give thanks [/ quote]

                  Those. merged ... sorry ... And I wanted to talk to that. who considers me so young and stupid ...
                  Well, that’s all.
                  in the language of numbers ...
                  At least...

                  And here ...
        2. AID.S
          AID.S 31 January 2018 00: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Duriki seized power in 2014, sooner or later they will hang on the lampposts along Khreshchatyk - this is a matter of time.

          History shows that the fools who came to power in the territory of b. The USSR, were not hung up by pillars, and some even opened centers, in Skolkovo, or posthumously ...
      3. Alekseits
        Alekseits 31 January 2018 19: 14 New
        +2
        === Everything Svidomo did - under Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and the present: they gutted the gutless and stole the nedovorovanny ... ===
        The most basic thing was forgotten, from which it all began- Kravchuk. It was under him that the theft and sale of the Black Sea Shipping Company was launched, out of 240 pennants, only 4 (four) remained. And then it went along the knurled road.
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 30 January 2018 19: 02 New
      12
      The volume of gas transit through Ukraine after 2019 will depend on the conditions of transit and demand in Europe

      At these words, buyers of scrap metal came to an extraordinary revival and joyfully rub their hands. laughing
      1. dauria
        dauria 31 January 2018 00: 13 New
        +5
        and rub their palms joyfully.


        You know, ridicule of Ukrainians looks ridiculous. A crowd of Russian-clad, with a bunch of crooks "grabbed" a huge number of factories, then built by their parents, rumble over other (also Russian !!!) boobies, also robbed by a bunch of scum. Fun.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 31 January 2018 01: 31 New
          +4
          But this "fun" is constantly heated. And everyone continues to gag, damn it.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 30 January 2018 22: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Dormidont
      Could enter in Svidomo "peacekeepers" to protect the pipe from Svidomo


      When did the peacekeepers introduce that they would protect something different from the political interests of American?
  2. cniza
    cniza 30 January 2018 18: 32 New
    +2
    We proposed to many countries to receive gas from the Ukrainian corridor, but they said, thanks, we would rather receive through the new corridor.


    All horses will be condemned and will complain to the owners.
    1. Angel_and_Demon
      Angel_and_Demon 30 January 2018 18: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      All horses will sue

      and not just condemned - compensation for moral damages in triplicate from gas transit will be required laughing
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 January 2018 20: 47 New
        +2
        There they will open such a mouth that you can’t feed anything, therefore, bypassing.
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 30 January 2018 20: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          do not feed anything

          and no one promised to feed them on the way to a brighter future
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 January 2018 20: 53 New
            +2
            But they were not told about this ...
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 30 January 2018 20: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: cniza
              But they were not told about this ...

              mattresses forgot however - it happens request
              1. cniza
                cniza 30 January 2018 21: 50 New
                +2
                They were not going to warn, the consumables will be used anyway.
      2. In100gram
        In100gram 30 January 2018 22: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Angel_and_Demon
        and not just condemned - compensation for moral damages in triplicate from gas transit will be required

        The irony is clear. There, the struggle is not for actual material values, but for the possibility of political pressure. In 2019, the transit contract will end, the bazaar is big, go bargain. After 2019, the main suppliers of our gas to Europe will be Germany, Turkey and Belarus. And trading with 404 can continue indefinitely, until the brain falls into place. Plus there will be Sev.mor.path with liquefied. Nobody needs a rusty pipe. And this is only part of the plan: "how to rob us of export earnings."
  3. 210ox
    210ox 30 January 2018 18: 33 New
    +1
    It will be necessary to see .. What do we say Mr. Medvedev in a year and a half. Much can change ..
  4. Rusland
    Rusland 30 January 2018 18: 33 New
    +8
    The affair needs to confirm your words, and not whisper on the sidelines.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 January 2018 18: 37 New
      0
      So he already stated the exact opposite .. So that transit through Ukraine can and will remain. Under certain conditions ..
      Quote: Rusland
      The affair needs to confirm your words, and not whisper on the sidelines.
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 30 January 2018 23: 04 New
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        that transit through Ukraine can and will remain. Under certain conditions

        That's right, on our terms
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 30 January 2018 18: 36 New
    +5
    Here are some ushlopki Ukrainian on our heads. That's what they stuck with, huh? The damnation of the Baskervilles. Hand over the pipe to the metal, generally disappear from the event horizon.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 30 January 2018 18: 43 New
      +1
      I agree with you. And it is advisable that, first of all, the news from VNA disappear from VO.
      Quote: iliitch
      Here are some ushlopki Ukrainian on our heads. That's what they stuck with, huh? The damnation of the Baskervilles. Hand over the pipe to the metal, generally disappear from the event horizon.
    2. apk
      apk 30 January 2018 19: 36 New
      +1
      Here are some ushlopki Ukrainian on our heads. That's what they stuck with, huh? The damnation of the Baskervilles

      I almost choked on tea with laughter. It seems to me that even through the monitor I felt how many emotions you contributed to this statement. I support, but thanks for the good laugh, because as you know, it extends life laughing
  6. polpot
    polpot 30 January 2018 18: 37 New
    +1
    The gold reserve is mute and is not expected, guides are expensive pleasure, now the main thing is not to please ukraim
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 18: 38 New
    +4
    We are waiting for the "flexible" comments of Kiev on these statements. But no matter how much you twist, the year 19 is drawing near and the appearance of Zimbabwe in the center of Europe is already clearly visible. Just somehow not happy - there’s already the glow of torchlight processions of new attack aircraft in the mother of Russian cities today.
  8. Vita vko
    Vita vko 30 January 2018 18: 38 New
    +1
    thanks, we’d better get along the new corridor
    Is anyone tired of blackmailing American puppets in Kiev to block the pipeline to Europe?
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich 30 January 2018 18: 41 New
    +3
    lol Everyone is smart: who is first, who is after. Over time, everyone gets smarter, only remains in place. Clear progress has begun in Europe wisely. lol
  10. garx
    garx 30 January 2018 18: 44 New
    +1
    And they will take it and explode it (the pipe) from anger!
  11. Proton
    Proton 30 January 2018 18: 48 New
    +9
    In short, after 19 years, you can only blow the hohlyatskaya pipe with your ass, let the peas grow, so that there would be something to blow into the pipe. laughing
  12. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 18: 53 New
    +5
    Yes, so that half of the partners generally refuse to buy Russian gas! Then maybe Gazprom will graciously begin to sell gas to Russian citizens, otherwise we do not have gas not only in many villages, but also in cities with a population of over one million. I recently bought a daughter an apartment in new buildings. Beautiful area, beautiful high-rise buildings. All without gas, but with electric stoves. And gas is not even expected. How long?
    1. bk316
      bk316 30 January 2018 18: 57 New
      +2
      Do you buy it at a European price? Do you pay the pipe to the apartment?
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 19: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: bk316
        Do you buy it at a European price? Do you pay the pipe to the apartment?

        Do not talk nonsense. This is not about a remote village in the north. It's about millionaire cities.
        I will be happy to buy gas at European prices, as they are not high. And those lucky ones (I have such acquaintances) who handed gas to their cottages in a cottage village near the city, instead of the declared 180 thousand rubles, paid 450 thousand rubles for everything (project, approvals, bribes, materials, equipment). They paid, are satisfied and use gas at the rates that are presented to them. Because it’s convenient.
        And I would have already paid millions for an apartment and would have gladly paid for gasification, but, unfortunately, our newly-built district is not subject to gasification according to the plan.
      2. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 30 January 2018 20: 22 New
        +4
        Will you pay him a European salary? In the Rostov Region, all gas pipelines inside cities and towns were laid by citizens at their own expense, and after 10 years, the question periodically pops up: to sell the gas pipeline to Mezhregiongaz. but they want to pick up for nothing. Ah yes well done! If to build in Europe. then yourself. and if in the country. then let the guys do it themselves. Yes, and they whine that they incur losses from trade within the country. It does not matter . as if I picked a tomato in my garden and counted it at a loss
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 30 January 2018 19: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
      when can Gazprom graciously begin to sell gas to the citizens of Russia, otherwise we do not have gas not only in many villages, but also in cities with over one million people.

      Sell, he sells it, only few people have the money to buy it.
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 19: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Odyssey
        Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
        when can Gazprom graciously begin to sell gas to the citizens of Russia, otherwise we do not have gas not only in many villages, but also in cities with over one million people.

        Sell, he sells it, only few people have the money to buy it.

        You do not sing a pensioner's song about money, but take an interest in the state of affairs. I have money. Many of my friends have money. By the way, the bulk of my friends are of retirement and pre-retirement age, like myself. Those who want to gasify are darkness. Gazprom does not want to.
        1. mihey
          mihey 30 January 2018 20: 17 New
          +2
          Well, buy an apartment where gas stoves are provided. What do you buy at first, and then look at what you bought?
          PS: Oh yes. I write at the end: "Glory to whom"? Grudinin, Navalny, Ksenia, Yavlinsky? repeat Whom to curse and so from your posts is clear.
          1. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 31 January 2018 12: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: mihey
            ..PS: Oh yes. I write at the end: "Glory to whom"? Grudinin, Navalny, Ksenia, Yavlinsky? Whom to curse and so from your posts is clear.

            Before labeling, I would have looked at my comments to make an impression. Well, I’m not writing all sorts of nonsense about you, although at first I wanted to, but I looked at your comments, I see that our man, though hot ...
            1. mihey
              mihey 31 January 2018 13: 12 New
              +2
              For the "PS" I apologize if I offended. hi On the issue of electric stoves: in general, we have whole microdistricts with them: and people buy these apartments with the words (to summarize): “Well, there’s less by one bill in the housing and communal services and there are no hemorrhoids with gas checks and there is no threat of household gas explosion.” Somehow like this. Now there is a choice. Everyone chooses their pros and cons.
          2. ZVO
            ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: mihey
            Well, buy an apartment where gas stoves are provided. What do you buy at first, and then look at what you bought?
            PS: Oh yes. I write at the end: "Glory to whom"? Grudinin, Navalny, Ksenia, Yavlinsky? repeat Whom to curse and so from your posts is clear.



            For reasons I often go to Western Siberia.
            Yamal-Nenets Autonomous District
            all sorts of Urengoi old and new, Tazovskie, Purpe, Gubkinskie.

            Where gas comes from to Russia, Europe.

            Plates are electric.

            Fiasco. bro ...
            \
            1. mihey
              mihey 31 January 2018 22: 32 New
              +1
              And what is the fiasco? You still say that diesel is generated by electricity on the track in the workers' trailers, which is true, but fuel oil is brought in barrels. This is a paradox: a pipe is nearby, and they carry barrels for distant lands! Well, if you often go there: the wife’s sister bought a flat in Nefteyugansk 7 years ago and that’s a bummer - they had a gas stove. Just some kind of sadness! No - fiasco! A new apartment, and a gas stove is a disaster! So, the observations you have provided are not for me.
              PS And I apologize, but "bro" can call me, for example, sling cutter, although we have in the VUS with him there is clearly a difference by 1 digit, but in this case 6 = 7, it seems to me.
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 31 January 2018 22: 58 New
                +1
                Quote: mihey
                And what is the fiasco? You still say that diesel is generated by electricity on the track in the workers' trailers, which is true, but fuel oil is brought in barrels. This is a paradox: a pipe is nearby, and they carry barrels for distant lands! Well, if you often go there: the wife’s sister bought a flat in Nefteyugansk 7 years ago and that’s a bummer - they had a gas stove. Just some kind of sadness! No - fiasco! A new apartment, and a gas stove is a disaster! So, the observations you have provided are not for me.
                PS And I apologize, but "bro" can call me, for example, sling cutter, although we have in the VUS with him there is clearly a difference by 1 digit, but in this case 6 = 7, it seems to me.


                "This is Fiasco, bro" - this is an Internet meme.
                He is not personal.
                it's just an internet meme.
                All-Russian.
                I'm under 50. but I know that. sorry. what people. writing in "these your Internet" - do not use the Internet.

                Yugansk, 800-900 km south of Urengoy, for example, and off the gas routes is separated from the gas plot of the country ...
                Nichrome is not an indicator ...
                In the outskirts of Yugansk I usually spend a month and a half for a year.
                all kinds of Pyt-yakhas. September Karkateev ...
                In Yugansk I live in the main 8 microdistrict. There the apartment is rented.
                I go to the Su-62 regularly. To the market.
                I can’t imagine a more wretched place to live.
                Excuse me. but it is a fact. Let your sister run away before it's too late. there are still stupid people buying housing there. For in 2-3 years everything in Yugansk will collapse ...
                I personally know a dozen people who escaped precisely from Yugansk and precisely into the Volga region.

                And working in Yugansk is getting worse and worse. And it will be even worse ... and much.
                1. mihey
                  mihey 1 February 2018 00: 29 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ZVO
                  in 2-3 years everything in Yugansk will collapse ...

                  Yes, yes ... the first time I heard it in '94, then they shouted at every corner that we had to go to the Khanty - there is El Dorado right there. Where to live is my wife’s sister’s affair (just a clarification to your carelessness). And about the “memes” ... well, I don’t live on the Internet, VO is perhaps the only site where I write something. I do not consider it necessary to know "memes" - and so the processor is clogged with all kinds of junk. I wish they started talking on the hairdryer, so the number would have been - the audience is the one (I’m just grumbling). It seems like there is no more reason to find out who has more or stronger boiled. Good luck.
        2. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 30 January 2018 20: 29 New
          +1
          In the farms. where houses are far from each other it’s generally unrealistic to gasify themselves. there from each yard you need 400-500 thousand rubles. coal is also expensive so people are actively cutting down forest belts. The climate has become terrible anyway, and if forests plague them with fires and deforestation it will be bad
        3. Odysseus
          Odysseus 30 January 2018 22: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          You do not sing a pensioner's song about money, but take an interest in the state of affairs. I have money. Many of my friends have money

          Sorry, but you have no money. Otherwise, you would buy an apartment with gas. If the whole quarter is provided with gas, especially with high-rise buildings, the cost of such apartments will creep upwards.
          Although in general I fully support your main idea that you need to gasify your own country and, more importantly, gas and oil are needed for your own production as part of the restoration of industry. That is where gas and oil should be directed. It is simply not possible under current socio-economic policies.
          1. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 31 January 2018 12: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
            You do not sing a pensioner's song about money, but take an interest in the state of affairs. I have money. Many of my friends have money

            Sorry, but you have no money. Otherwise, you would buy an apartment with gas. If the whole quarter is provided with gas, especially with high-rise buildings, the cost of such apartments will creep upwards.

            And I do not claim that I am Abramovich and I can buy the moon. I have money in a certain amount of profit that my one big good store provides me. With this money I live (by the way, quite modestly by generally accepted standards), I help weaker needy people, as well as homeless animals. I get high from my work and from this help, and not from owning money.
            My daughter’s apartment was bought by the one I liked and which I could buy. I would have found a bit more expensive, but with gas, I would have bought it. I think an apartment with gas cannot cost twice as much.
            In general, I was surprised by the responses to my comment. Everyone started discussing me, not the wrong policy of foreigners from Gazprom. It seems that relatives of Gazprom employees wrote.
          2. ZVO
            ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Odyssey

            Sorry, but you have no money. Otherwise, you would buy an apartment with gas. If the whole quarter is provided with gas, especially with high-rise buildings, the cost of such apartments will creep upwards.
            Although in general I fully support your main idea that you need to gasify your own country and, more importantly, gas and oil are needed for your own production as part of the restoration of industry. That is where gas and oil should be directed. It is simply not possible under current socio-economic policies.

            Houses over 9 floors do not gasify ....
            Too unreliable.
            Be aware of this.
            It’s all about security.
            And nothing else.
            will not give.
    3. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 19: 08 New
      +5
      Well, above the 9th floor of gas and there will be no pressure in the pipe of only 0.3 you see. laughing
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 19: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        Well, above the 9th floor of gas and there will be no pressure in the pipe of only 0.3 you see. laughing

        I was interested in this issue. There are houses with gas in both 12 and 14 floors. Some were more fortunate, others less.
        1. KVU-NSVD
          KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 19: 49 New
          +4
          In such houses, gas pumping stations are put conditionally speaking above 30 m. This significantly increases the cost of sq. M - an expensive project, equipment, installation, additional space, safety requirements, etc., in short, the developer does not fit into the price of an economy class and, perhaps, an apartment would not be affordable for you. And nobody will even remodel existing houses. Yours faithfully.. hi
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 31 January 2018 21: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          Well, above the 9th floor of gas and there will be no pressure in the pipe of only 0.3 you see. laughing

          I was interested in this issue. There are houses with gas in both 12 and 14 floors. Some were more fortunate, others less.


          This is experimental.
          In the one and a half million Samara - there are only 2 of them.
          On special control so far.
          and it’s not about luck.
    4. NKT
      NKT 30 January 2018 19: 21 New
      +2
      And how many floors of the house? There are SNiP, which regulates the gas supply of high-rise buildings. Above 11 is not provided.
    5. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 30 January 2018 22: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
      All without gas, but with electric stoves. And gas is not even expected. How long?

      And why, excuse me, Fenshui, this same gas?
      Etch, or what?
      Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
      Beautiful area, beautiful high-rise buildings

      Gas in a high-rise building is evil. And they’re not building it now, as far as I know.
      PS: I’ve been living in an “electric” house for 25 years, and nothing ... I’m not buzzing request
      1. Warrior train
        Warrior train 31 January 2018 01: 22 New
        0
        got an apartment in Nizhny Novgorod Oblast 2/5 in a new house, also in an electric house, another 3 houses (new) are also electric, old “Khrushchevs” and “Brezhnevka” on gas are also nearby, I am inclined to believe that this is a new requirement , norms, in connection with the bombing in houses where a lot of craftsmen "indulge in gas"
  13. Odysseus
    Odysseus 30 January 2018 18: 55 New
    +1
    Gas transit through Maidan Ukraine, that is, sponsoring those who are at war with us, is absolutely nonsense. Of course, any rational person (it does not matter whether it is a capitalist, a communist, or a monarchist) would stop this transit.
    So let’s see if the Russian authorities can even go against the will of the “Western partners” (which, of course, insist that the Ukrainian transit be continued), or will continue to supply the “Ukrainian partners” with such a mercantile and important issue for them. .
    1. bk316
      bk316 30 January 2018 18: 58 New
      +2
      In fact, Gazprom is trying by all means to bypass 404 in transit. Have you fallen from the moon?
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 30 January 2018 19: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: bk316
        Actually, Gazprom is trying by all means to bypass 404 in transit

        No "tools" are needed for this. The contract ends, transit ends.
        No one in their right mind will give money to the one who kills you.
        So let's see if this significant event happens, or the Russian Federation will continue to sponsor Maidan Ukraine as the "Western partners" want.
        1. NKT
          NKT 30 January 2018 19: 46 New
          +2
          With Ukraine ends at the end of 2019. And with Germany until 2030. And how to stop transit in such a situation? Responsibility hangs on Gazprom.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 30 January 2018 22: 23 New
            0
            Quote: NKT
            With Ukraine ends at the end of 2019. And with Germany until 2030. And how to stop transit in such a situation? Responsibility hangs on Gazprom.

            Until 2035. With a total volume of 24 billion cubic meters. And only for Yamal-Europe and SP-1 the total volume is 88 billion cubic meters. It is not clear where you see the problem here.
            1. NKT
              NKT 31 January 2018 07: 05 New
              0



              No "tools" are needed for this. The contract ends, transit ends.



              There are two problems. Build a workaround and sign additional agreements to the contract on changing gas reception points in Europe. This all requires preparation. You just can’t take and stop transit after 2019, as you suggest.

              Germany exported 2017 billion m53 in 3.

              Italy and Great Britain - 42 billion m3.

              In total, Gazprom imported 193 billion m3.

              And you say 24 billion m3
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 31 January 2018 07: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: NKT
                There are two problems. Build a workaround and sign additional agreements to the contract on changing gas reception points in Europe.

                Germany did not receive gas through Ukraine. I specifically wrote where they get it from - Belarus and SP-1. 24 billion is the minimum volume at the time of signing the contract, more can be, it depends on market conditions.
                Quote: NKT
                You just can’t take and stop transit after 2019, as you suggest.

                Through Ukraine, gas went primarily to Turkey and Italy. The main problem in Italy is the emnip, a long-term contract until 2030. The problem is solved by the second branch of TP, and there really is a change in the point of reception.
                With Italy, yes, there may be problems, or rather, the EU can create them for us (there is still the Czech Republic, but it can be delivered through Germany), but it all depends on political will. If it is clear to say that we will not transfer gas through Ukraine, then it will be possible to agree. The Italians will not sit in winter without gas.
                What is needed is the rigidity of the position.
            2. ZVO
              ZVO 31 January 2018 22: 01 New
              0
              Quote: Odyssey
              Quote: NKT
              With Ukraine ends at the end of 2019. And with Germany until 2030. And how to stop transit in such a situation? Responsibility hangs on Gazprom.

              Until 2035. With a total volume of 24 billion cubic meters. And only for Yamal-Europe and SP-1 the total volume is 88 billion cubic meters. It is not clear where you see the problem here.


              We supply 165-200 to Europe. Annually.
              Yamal + SP-1 is a maximum of 80-90.
              Everything else is through the damned Urkaina.
              do you want to shoot yourself a leg?
              1. Odysseus
                Odysseus 1 February 2018 07: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: ZVO
                We supply 165-200 to Europe. Annually.
                Yamal + SP-1 is a maximum of 80-90.

                The dynamics of gas supplies to Europe (including Turkey) over the past 15 years from 130 to 180 billion cubic meters (depending on market conditions).
                Yamal + SP1- can produce 89 billion cubic meters. Blue flow-19. 2 TP-31 branches (one to Turkey, one to Italy). This is -139 billion. This is without SP-2 (yesterday agreed upon in Germany). As you can see, there are enough volumes not to violate contracts. And if you introduce SP-2, then Any demand can be satisfied. Plus gas is needed for China and for the development of its own country.
                Another thing is that there are long-term contracts and they need to be reviewed and rescheduled, there can be problems (primarily with Eastern European countries). Problems of a purely political nature, due to US dictatorship. This is where political will is needed.
                Quote: ZVO
                do you want to shoot yourself a leg?

                I want to stop transit through Ukraine. Since we lost it to the United States (and we don’t have to rely on more than Donbass now), we need to stop giving money to anyone who wants to kill you. Not to mention the terrible technical condition of the Ukrainian gas transportation system itself.
                Even if for this (in the worst case) it will be necessary to go for a temporary reduction in exports to Europe (before the introduction of SP-2), this needs to be done.
    2. helmi8
      helmi8 30 January 2018 20: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      Gas transit through Maidan Ukraine, that is, sponsoring those who are at war with us, is absolutely nonsense. Of course, any reasonable person (it doesn’t matter whether it’s capitalist, communist, or monarchist) would stop this transit

      And besides this, the possible threat of terrorist attacks on this very pipe should not be forgotten. And from reckless Natsik everything can be expected ...
  14. Overlock
    Overlock 30 January 2018 19: 00 New
    +6
    Early winter. Poroshenko gives the command: in order to undermine the Russian economy, block the gas pipeline.
    At night, the Minister of Defense bursts in:
    - Our border troops are routed, large cities were bombed, the enemy is already near Kiev!
    - Still, Muscovites dared to attack us ...
    - It's not Muscovites, it's Germans!
  15. win
    win 30 January 2018 19: 27 New
    10
    Kiev protested Russia for the construction of railways and gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine,
    because decent invaders don't do that. request
  16. Troll
    Troll 30 January 2018 19: 53 New
    0
    Everything is very generalized and blurry. No specifics. And by and large, the end consumer, with equal price and consumer properties of the product, is the same how the product itself is delivered. Whether by land, by sea or by air. By bus or taxi. The consumer is only interested in the price.
    And if by sea it will be cheaper than in Ukraine, then of course the consumer will vote for the Nordstream. And vice versa.
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 30 January 2018 19: 54 New
    +1
    Ukraine is looking for default and no other way!
    In fact, Poroshenko has no way out, but only if you do not break the country into regions and republics? Becoming the king of one of them. Debts of course in such conditions will be difficult to recover and get another sweet spot.
  18. Simon
    Simon 30 January 2018 21: 09 New
    +2
    What is it? Khan is Ukrainian. I’m in a regime, and the Poles will remain unconvinced - they will receive expensive American gas. The Poles really want this. wink laughing
  19. Simon
    Simon 30 January 2018 21: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: Siegen
    Kiev protested Russia for the construction of railways and gas pipelines bypassing Ukraine,
    because decent invaders don't do that. request

    I want to add. And the aggressors! wink
  20. Simon
    Simon 30 January 2018 21: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Overlock
    Early winter. Poroshenko gives the command: in order to undermine the Russian economy, block the gas pipeline.
    At night, the Minister of Defense bursts in:
    - Our border troops are routed, large cities were bombed, the enemy is already near Kiev!
    - Still, Muscovites dared to attack us ...
    - It's not Muscovites, it's Germans!

    Cool, I liked it! laughing good
  21. Simon
    Simon 30 January 2018 21: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: NKT
    With Ukraine ends at the end of 2019. And with Germany until 2030. And how to stop transit in such a situation? Responsibility hangs on Gazprom.

    In 2019, the second branch of the gas pipeline will be laid across the Baltic, that's all. fool
  22. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 30 January 2018 21: 55 New
    +1
    Well here are the goodies))) ...
  23. rocket757
    rocket757 30 January 2018 22: 07 New
    0
    A freebie will end on Shaw Pan Ataman will your chain troops / gangs contain ??? Shaw, feed sweets \ chocolates ???
    1. dauria
      dauria 31 January 2018 00: 00 New
      0
      Shaw Pan Ataman will keep its chain forces / gangs ??


      ... in October, US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch said that Nord Stream-2 would reduce gas transit through the country and deprive Kiev of $ 2,7 billion a year, or 3% of GDP
      This, of course, is serious, but not fatal. And by the way, for some reason their economy has been showing growth for some reason. Your affairs are wonderful, Lord. what
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 January 2018 00: 26 New
        +2
        We do not look even in the same sales, but we see how, in different ways.
        Statistics, she is one of those oldest professions with low social!
        So we will look in the refrigerator, we can still in the first-aid kit!
        Shaw we see - our Pokemon identity seems to be happy for the growth and something else there. What I see is a simple working person - the refrigerator is not empty but not full. You can live, but harder than recently! Sick, not yet fatal, basically, but also undesirable in general, and I'm not for health in general, financial aspect!
        Shaw they write to me from the extreme, that is, to whom, believe me. - they no longer live, basically, they survive, it’s simply not possible to write about pensioners, this is longing. About to get sick ... with them on this topic it is better not to stutter, at all anguish !!!
        The conclusion of all these figures from statistics is complete crap! The authorities lie without ... in short lie. The difference is that we still live, the prospects - I do not know, I do not believe it, but such a tiny hope has not died yet!
        My relatives from the extreme survive and at reality, and most importantly, the hope in them has died, at least for their and foreign guardians!
        So, we can not talk about wonderful things, for the magicians from statistics it is known yes.
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  24. Kent0001
    Kent0001 30 January 2018 23: 18 New
    0
    CANNOT BECOME, BUT MUST BECOME SP-2. And then ... some tryndets is planned.
  25. lopvlad
    lopvlad 31 January 2018 00: 30 New
    +1
    we’d better get along the new corridor.


    any serious business, and especially production, is tough, guarantees and huge forfeits for their failure.
    Nobody wants to incur losses for the tricks of the "Sumerians" in Europe, and even the pressure of the Americans will not make them do it.
  26. eugraphus
    eugraphus 31 January 2018 00: 36 New
    +2
    News about what will happen is not news - it is just intentions, plans, desires. They may come true, or they may be forgotten. At first it was announced that we would build Nord Stream-2, we would stop gas transit through Ukraine and we would be happy. Then, after opposition from the opponents of the gas pipeline in the EU, the dates for the planned construction began to shift. They made an adjustment, saying that no one would categorically stop the transit. Like everything will remain according to the situation. The question is that in this case other contracts with transit and consumers will be needed as it hangs. And this is a very important aspect. Previous agreements were signed in such a way that Russia took full responsibility for delivering gas to the EU. Remember the so-called "gas wars" with Ukraine. Everything that Ukraine unauthorizedly took from the pipe, Russia paid off, in the hope that someday we will invoice and return. How much Russia already suffers from Ukraine! But does not make sudden movements. The pipe holds tightly by the eggs. After all, the Turkish Stream has not yet begun to work (nothing has been decided on its second thread yet), the Power of Siberia has not been completed, the Nord Stream-2 has not been launched, it is too early to say something. Even to bury a rusty Ukrainian pipe is not worth it yet. It is not at all excluded that you will have to repair it at your own expense and take care of it like the apple of an eye.
  27. 452336
    452336 31 January 2018 02: 46 New
    0
    The Russia / Germany axis is outlined. As in the good old days:) Germany wants to shut off gas supplies to Europe, Russia will drop Ukraine and Poland out of principle. As a result, Germany will become even richer, and Russia, as usual :)
  28. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 31 January 2018 04: 47 New
    +1
    In such a situation, there is only one way out - in the morning, declare Russia a “war”, capitulate in the evening !!! Costly "lacy gayropeyskie shorts".
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 31 January 2018 08: 41 New
      0
      Tell you the Geyropeytsam! Learn a lot about yourself flattering!
  29. bycharashkO
    bycharashkO 31 January 2018 10: 58 New
    0
    The volume of gas transit through Ukraine after 2019 will depend on the transit conditions and demand in Europe. We have offered to many countries to receive gas from the Ukrainian corridor, but they said, thank you, we’d rather get a new corridor.

    those. Does Gazprom agree to extend transit after 2019 in principle?
  30. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 1 February 2018 17: 20 New
    +1
    Both on:
    Natsik creatures (do not want to see in Europe)
    Gas (stressfully) ..
    Goods from Ukraine - (only in scanty amounts)

    There was only one product left, like your northern neighbors-the Baltic states-half-wits-RUSSOPHOBIA.
    It is for this product and exist until ........