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The Russians expressed their opinion about the most significant battle of the Great Patriotic War.

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VCIOM publishes data survey Russians dedicated to the upcoming 75 anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad. The study contained several questions, one of which was: “Which events of the Great Patriotic War, in your opinion, were crucial for the outcome of the war?” Each of the respondents could name three of the most important, in his opinion, events of the Great Patriotic War.


The result is as follows: 55% of respondents called the key event the Stalingrad battle, 47% - breaking the blockade of Leningrad, and 43% called the Kursk battle and the battle of Moscow. If to compare with the results of the previous similar survey (2010 of the year), then the first three events, according to the Russians, have changed somewhat. So, in 2010, the breakthrough of the blockade of Leningrad was not included among the respondents as one of the most important events for the outcome of the war. Moreover, 8% of respondents spoke out for the significance of the Stalingrad battle of 68 years ago.

The Russians expressed their opinion about the most significant battle of the Great Patriotic War.


One of the questions of the sociological research VTsIOM: “February 2 will come 75 years after the defeat of the Nazi troops in the Battle of Stalingrad. What do you think is the best way to perpetuate the memory of the Battle of Stalingrad? ”Each respondent was free to give an unlimited number of answers.

Results:
1 venue - Provide more hours for lessons stories at the school devoted to the theme of the Great Patriotic War (69%);
2 place - regularly conduct tours of places of military glory - both for schoolchildren and for adults (63%);
3 Place - Introduce memory lessons in educational institutions (57%).

On the question of whether people will take part in the celebrations marking the 75 anniversary of the defeat of Hitler's troops in Stalingrad, if such celebrations take place at their place of residence, "rather, I will accept" 65% of respondents answered. And 27% stated that they would not take part "more likely". The rest of the answer difficult.
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  1. Anarchist
    Anarchist 30 January 2018 13: 31 New
    12
    VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense! He doesn’t write not what really happens, what people think about, but what they want to hear in the government! Unknown at all, they take money ... Some of them are simply amazing! Once they wrote that more than 50% of Russians are satisfied with their salary ... Well, or they are satisfied, I do not remember exactly the form.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 13: 33 New
      10
      There is no sin in this poll. hi
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 30 January 2018 13: 34 New
        +9
        Yes, I'm not talking about this issue! I about VTsIOM as a whole ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 30 January 2018 13: 36 New
          +6
          It all depends on how to ask questions and what questions to ask.
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 30 January 2018 13: 38 New
            +9
            And where to look for respondents!
            1. cniza
              cniza 30 January 2018 13: 41 New
              +3
              Yes, there is a whole science.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 January 2018 15: 49 New
            +3
            This is a classic - "Yes, Mr. Minister":
            It turns out that the whole secret lies in the fact that when a young attractive girl with a questionnaire comes up to the average inhabitant and asks a series of necessary questions, this average average person unwittingly wants not to look like a fool, but to make a good impression on her. She, this young attractive girl, needless to say, need this very average man in the street to give her the very necessary answers.

            Sir Humphrey immediately showed me how this system works:
            - Mr. Woolie, tell me, are you, of course, concerned about the growth of crime among teenagers?
            “Yes, of course it does,” I replied.
            - Doesn’t it seem to you that discipline and lack of exactingness are severely lame in our comprehensive schools?
            - Naturally, it seems.
            - What do you think: do young people need order and a strong leader?
            - Yes I need it.
            “Do you think they want to achieve anything more in life?”
            - Yes, they want.
            - So, it seems to us that you are for military draft?
            “Yes, of course.”
            Voluntarily or involuntarily, but to all these questions, I, one way or another, answered “yes”. What else can be said so as not to look stupid? But in the end, only the last question and only the last answer is published.
          3. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 January 2018 15: 50 New
            +2
            The most popular polls, of course, do not fall for this, or in any case try not to fall, but there are, in general, very few of them. Perhaps that is why Humphrey proposed a new poll, but not a party one, but a focused one for the Ministry of Defense. Which we, accordingly, did. Moreover, he himself came up with some of the key issues:

            “Mr. Wooley, are you worried about the threat of war?”
            “Yes, of course,” I answered quite honestly.
            - And the growth of weapons?
            - Naturally.
            “Do you see the danger in giving young people weapons and teaching them how to kill?”
            - Yes.
            - Do you consider it wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?
            - Yes.
            - Are you ready to object to the introduction of compulsory military draft?

            And I answered “yes” before I realized this myself, imagine?

            Humphrey was just ecstatic.
            “You see, Bernard, you are that very real average Briton,” he said fairly.
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 30 January 2018 14: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Anarchist
          Yes, I'm not talking about this issue! I about VTsIOM as a whole ...

          Sanya VTsIOM, Levada and other centers are certainly offices, but here the question is right and if you haven’t gotten into it, why be offended, I remember once answered their questions, though it’s correct by phone and on this topic that they ask, in Stalingrad they broke the ridge of the Nazis, and then we wonder where Kohl from Urengoy appear and we are tearing in his shirts. repeat
      2. 210ox
        210ox 30 January 2018 13: 38 New
        +3
        This survey most likely did not happen. Maybe it was ... imitation. And so I agree with you.
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        There is no sin in this poll. hi
        1. mihey
          mihey 30 January 2018 15: 02 New
          0
          There was a survey by phone. I am one of the respondents. He called the Kursk Bulge. hi
          The girl introduced herself as a representative of the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, but is this the poll now I’m thinking ...
          Age ... well, for example, I was born in the 60s, if suddenly something.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 30 January 2018 15: 31 New
            0
            Well, I, in the early 60s .. But we were taught, taken on excursions. Veteran participants arrived .. Now there’s nothing of this. If we don’t tell and don’t send our descendants, the supporters of “Americanism” will grow up, the generation of orthophosphoric poison acids.
            Quote: mihey
            There was a survey by phone. I am one of the respondents. He called the Kursk Bulge. hi
            The girl introduced herself as a representative of the All-Russian Public Opinion Research Center, but is this the poll now I’m thinking ...
            Age ... well, for example, I was born in the 60s, if suddenly something.
            1. mihey
              mihey 30 January 2018 15: 44 New
              0
              In fact yes. During my school years in Brest, Sevastopol, Leningrad, Volgograd I visited on tour trips with a class. There was such a time - it was called socialism :) Son, while studying at school, they also went in class, but they have a cool one - a historian. And so I look around my region, many children in search squads go to places of fighting - quite organized, with understanding and with love for our heroic past. That is, as always, parents laid the foundation for their attitude to life. The school either developed and supported it, or ruined it. Although we have the number of cadet classes (competition for admission !!!) is growing and everything seems to be getting better with the patriotic education of young people.
      3. genisis
        genisis 30 January 2018 15: 38 New
        +1
        There is an excellent book by Viktor Nekrasov, "In the Trenches of Stalingrad."
        With the recollections of V. Nekrasov, a direct participant in the Battle of Stalingrad, there is one ridiculous incident. Last time, for publishing it here, I got a ban. Therefore, this time I give only the link https://sadalskij.livejournal.com/2578526.html
        But this is something))))
        It is clearly seen from this case that in the life of V. Nekrasov, so full of various meetings and events, the battle for Stalingrad is the main thing that happened to him in life.
        Also for a huge number of not only Soviet people.
        For example, in the novel "The Tempest" by Ilya Ehrenburg, it is well written about the significance of the defeat of the Nazis at Stalingrad for the whole world.
        And the Turkish hyena, after the defeat of the Nazis near Stalingrad, turned off its divisions deployed on the border with the USSR, ready to attack immediately if the fascists managed to overcome Stalingrad.
        Great Battle, Great People, Great Victory!
        1. Angara
          Angara 30 January 2018 16: 53 New
          +1
          Hello! You can still read the "Baltic Sky" about the blockade and its breakthrough. There was also a book about the Moldavian partisans called "Codru" and the chronology of the retreat was described and the offensive and counterattack. In the USSR, patriotism was given special importance: museums, meetings with veterans, trips to places of military glory, excursions, etc.
          1. Angara
            Angara 30 January 2018 16: 54 New
            0
            Now it’s not that it’s not, but they are hiding it all behind a screen. Soon, our descendants and concepts will not have what the Second World War is who participated in it, who won and who put so much effort into it
          2. DMB_95
            DMB_95 30 January 2018 19: 03 New
            0
            Excellent literature on the War - Simonov’s trilogy, “Living and the Dead.” The second book is about the Battle of Stalingrad, mainly.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 30 January 2018 13: 35 New
      +6
      Sasha, I’m interested in the age of the respondents .. And then fifteen-year-olds will have a counter-question: “And where is Stalingrad?”
      Quote: Anarchist
      VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense! He doesn’t write not what really happens, what people think about, but what they want to hear in the government! Unknown at all, they take money ... Some of them are simply amazing! Once they wrote that more than 50% of Russians are satisfied with their salary ... Well, or they are satisfied, I do not remember exactly the form.
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 30 January 2018 13: 36 New
        +7
        Dim, the fact of the matter is that it is not clear who they ask. None of my friends were interviewed! And I have friends all over Russia ... of different ages and social status.
      2. dog breeder
        dog breeder 30 January 2018 13: 43 New
        +2
        210quq Today, 13:35 ↑ New
        Sasha, I’m interested in the age of the respondents .. And then fifteen-year-olds will have a counter-question: “And where is Stalingrad?”

        Sorry, but how do your people respond to this? I do not want to offend you, simply, for me this is not an empty question.
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 30 January 2018 13: 46 New
          +6
          Yours is me or Dmitry himself? We are of different age categories ... Different generations ...
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder 30 January 2018 13: 52 New
            +1
            What does your age matter if you have descendants whom you can already ask about it?
            ,
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 30 January 2018 14: 14 New
              +9
              I’m still small, but I’m talking about the Second World War ... When they begin to study history, on a peep! My father is a good storyteller, you listen and it seems that he himself was there. Thank him for the fact that I learned about this at school age! At school, they did not focus on this ... And now, in general, I doubt that those events are correctly interpreted!
        2. Nikolay Fedorov
          Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 15: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: dog breeder

          Quote: 210ox
          Sasha, I’m interested in the age of the respondents .. And then fifteen-year-olds will have a counter-question: “And where is Stalingrad?”

          Sorry, but how do your people respond to this? I do not want to offend you, simply, for me this is not an empty question.

          In recent years, I began to ask questions about the Second World War to my new employees in order to have additional information about the level of intelligence. About Vatutin practically NO ONE does not know and never heard. But this is not so bad. One out of every three young employees cannot answer my provocative question, "What happened at 4 a.m. on June 22, 1941?" He wants to answer, claps clean, clear eyes, but he cannot.
          But at the same time, they all heard about Beria and know that this is the one that tortured people. And they are terribly surprised when I say that in every city we should have a monument to Beria for only one thing - because as a curator of the project to create an atomic bomb, he succeeded (and if he did not, then there would be neither me nor my children, neither you nor your children).
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 30 January 2018 16: 35 New
            +1
            Do you want me (no offense, nothing personal) in the war of 1812, I ask around? Simple questions, but with the condition that you rely solely on memory and personal knowledge? Right here for a clean experiment. I can even under the USE program, which they so love on Military Review))
            1. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 16: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: Ryazanets87
              Do you want me (no offense, nothing personal) in the war of 1812, I ask around? ...

              But you, I feel, something hurt in my comment (here is personal and resentment, right?).
              Quote: from my comment
              In recent years, I began to ask questions about the Second World War to my new employees in order to have additional information about the level of intelligence. Almost NO one knows about Vatutin and never heard of it. But this is not so bad. One out of every three young employees cannot answer my provocative question, "What happened at 4 a.m. on June 22, 1941?" He wants to answer, claps clean, clear eyes, but he cannot.

              The most annoying thing for you is probably to look at the huge column of the Immortal Regiment on May 9 ...
              And as for the war of 1812 - would you go to a well-known address to conduct surveys. This I mean that I am fond of history since cadet times. At first, interest was exclusively in the Second World War, then it went further - until the end of the 15th century.
              1. Ryazan87
                Ryazan87 30 January 2018 17: 37 New
                +1
                "The most annoying thing for you is probably to look at the huge column of the Immortal regiment on May 9 ..."
                They saw through the agent of the State Department, my congratulations. good
                "And as for the war of 1812 - would you go to a well-known address to conduct polls."
                As required.
                But you have a claim to carry out "intelligent" tests.
    3. Vend
      Vend 30 January 2018 13: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Anarchist
      VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense! He doesn’t write not what really happens, what people think about, but what they want to hear in the government! Unknown at all, they take money ... Some of them are simply amazing! Once they wrote that more than 50% of Russians are satisfied with their salary ... Well, or they are satisfied, I do not remember exactly the form.

      Do you doubt the cleanliness of this survey?
      1. Nikolay Fedorov
        Nikolay Fedorov 30 January 2018 16: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: Anarchist
        VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense! He doesn’t write not what really happens, what people think about, but what they want to hear in the government! Unknown at all, they take money ... Some of them are simply amazing! Once they wrote that more than 50% of Russians are satisfied with their salary ... Well, or they are satisfied, I do not remember exactly the form.

        Do you doubt the cleanliness of this survey?

        Do you have any doubts? Believe all 100%?
        1. Vend
          Vend 30 January 2018 17: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai Fedorov
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Anarchist
          VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense! He doesn’t write not what really happens, what people think about, but what they want to hear in the government! Unknown at all, they take money ... Some of them are simply amazing! Once they wrote that more than 50% of Russians are satisfied with their salary ... Well, or they are satisfied, I do not remember exactly the form.

          Do you doubt the cleanliness of this survey?

          Do you have any doubts? Believe all 100%?

          No, I have no doubt. It is enough to recall how Victory Day is celebrated here.
    4. raw174
      raw174 31 January 2018 07: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Anarchist
      VTsIOM - the biggest nonsense!

      I do not agree! I do not agree with your wording. Sociology is a big science. VTsIOM does not lie, but it is quite possible to adjust the result, depending on the need. Correctly raising the question, giving the necessary answers, choosing respondents (by location, profession, etc.). So it turns out that they do not lie, but correct.
    5. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 31 January 2018 10: 23 New
      0
      But do you not agree that the Battle of Stalingrad, the breaking of the blockade of Leningrad, the Battle of Kursk and the Battle of Moscow are some of the most significant events of the Second World War?
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 1 February 2018 00: 30 New
        0
        Quote: ArikKhab
        But do you not agree that the Battle of Stalingrad, the breaking of the blockade of Leningrad, the Battle of Kursk and the Battle of Moscow are some of the most significant events of the Second World War?

        I’m not a historian, but I think it’s not so simple, the operation "Typhoon" was preceded by: the defense of the Brest Fortress, the battles for Mogilev, the Smolensk tank battle, the battles at Yelnya, etc., so that the Germans received specifically by the teeth near Moscow by that time they had already realized that they had started a war with Asia, the Soviet people proved that the RSFSR rallied around them freedom-loving and proud peoples ...
        Unfortunately, unlike my generation of 70's, my daughter did not have time to listen to the stories about that war from the original source ....
        I owe my duty for that war (and the freedom of my country and my Moscow) to the veterans of the Great Patriotic War (former USSR citizens) living now in different countries and the Russian Federation will never return ...
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 13: 31 New
    11
    This is not necessary for the dead, it is necessary for the living, especially in our difficult times.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 13: 34 New
    +6
    75th anniversary of the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad
    This is not just a turning point. This is a symbol of fortitude, courage and VICTORY!
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 13: 39 New
      +7
      Well done, he said well.
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 13: 39 New
      +6
      Hero City! The winner city!
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 30 January 2018 15: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      This is a symbol of fortitude, courage and VICTORY!

      Rather, it concerns the battle in the city of Stalingrad itself, and the Battle of Moscow. But, on one courage you will not go far, against a skilled opponent. It was in the Battle of Stalingrad in the operations "Uranus", "Saturn", "Small Saturn" and "Ring" that the Red Army showed its maturity and ability to defeat the Wehrmacht troops with skill, not quantity. For the first time, such wide coverage and the ability to quickly move huge masses of troops over long distances were carried out. Tank troops were converted, which from that moment acted in conjunction with the infantry ... Of course, it was the battle of Stalingrad that was a turning point in the history of the whole of World War II.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 15: 29 New
        +7
        You're right . Just the details of the battles are interesting to people like us or historians. And the symbol and this symbol of Stalingrad are important to most. From the mere utterance of this name is pride and a lump in the throat. And it's time to return to my native Volgograd its true name, fused into the centuries of our memory
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 30 January 2018 16: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          And it's time to return to my native Volgograd its true name, fused into the centuries of our memory

          Sure! This must be done simply required. The city should become exactly Stalingrad. And not at all because of the name of the person, but because of the fact that there was a great battle. No need to change the traditions, for centuries, the best names for cities were due to significant events in them. Unfortunately, the current elite is unlikely to do this, since it is alien to everything that was connected, albeit with the best, but with the Soviet past.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 16: 25 New
            +4
            Well, sooner or later it will happen. Elites are transitory, and history pays tribute to everyone
        2. DMB_95
          DMB_95 30 January 2018 18: 51 New
          +1
          Hero City Volgograd ?? People almost half a year were cut to death in Stalingrad and won in Battle of stalingrad . Even in the West, the older generation remembers precisely Stalingrad.
    4. Korax71
      Korax71 30 January 2018 15: 57 New
      +1
      Well, to be honest, it’s actually the most significant in terms of the number of forces involved, both in strategic terms and not less bloody was the Rzhev-Sychev operation. It’s not customary to recall it, because it ended a little not so gloriously as The Battle of Stalingrad.po Ro Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge and films filmed and focuses attention. Therefore, the people are heard, but there are very few people interested in it.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 30 January 2018 16: 19 New
        +4
        Well, to be honest, it’s actually the most significant in terms of the number of forces involved, both in strategic terms and not less bloody was the Rzhev-Sychev operation. It’s not customary to recall it, because it ended a little not so gloriously as The Battle of Stalingrad.po Ro Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge and films filmed and focuses attention. Therefore, the people are heard, but there are very few people interested in it.
        Rzhev, Vyazma and hundreds more examples are also part of this terrible war. And I will tell my child about them too. All this must be remembered and honored by the memory of all unknown people who gave their lives for their homeland, no matter how much he understood it, or how it was related, in the battles of large and small, victorious or causing only rage from powerlessness, to break something. Everything and everyone needs to be remembered, there are simply symbols - June 22, Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, the Victory Banner over the Reichstag, the Victory Parade, a heap of fascist banners and their gloved hands throwing them. And over these symbols and their like for centuries, a nation is being forged capable of being worthy of its ancestors. I apologize for the possibly excessive pathos and emotionality hi
  4. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 30 January 2018 13: 38 New
    +4
    These are the most important events of the Great Patriotic War. and it does not matter that 3% was considered as more significant in 2010, and 2018% was considered less significant in 0,5. These are all errors of statistics and games with representativeness of the sample. I would be very surprised and discouraged if the data were different. VTsIOM is a fairly serious office and could spend energy and resources on more useful research.
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 30 January 2018 13: 40 New
    +7
    I graduated from high school in 1977. Every year, in our school, schoolchildren (high school students) were taken to Volgograd on an excursion to the places of the Stalingrad battles. This was for everyone the most significant event of the year in our lives.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2018 13: 51 New
    +1
    In Stalingrad, the Germans BROKEN psychologically. Then they first felt that they would NOT have victory in this war ...
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 January 2018 13: 57 New
    +2
    Or Stalingrad, or Kursk. Both are strategic battles.

    In the heat of battle, Stalingrad is probably ahead
    but Kursk is superior in strategic importance to it.
    After Kursk, German war machine lost offensive
    abilities. I could only defend myself. This was the turning point of the entire 2nd World War.

    And Leningrad is a tactical battle.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 14: 37 New
      +8
      The battle for Leningrad is a tactical battle for Western historians, they will soon belittle him to O. For us, this is an unquenchable pain, a symbol of the heroic stamina of his defenders and hardworking residents of the besieged city.
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 30 January 2018 15: 24 New
        +2
        Namely, and do not forget that this is the longest battle. 1941-1944
    2. alstr
      alstr 30 January 2018 14: 44 New
      +1
      Say there. As such, a breakthrough in the blockade (namely, a breakthrough) in importance does not occupy the first lines in the Second World War (no matter how blasphemous it sounds).
      Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Course. It was these battles that were most significant in terms of a turning point in the war.
      Other battles are also important from a different perspective.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 15: 41 New
        +6
        Leningrad is a symbol, a window to Europe, the cradle of revolution. Hitler did not knowingly want to wipe this city off the face of the earth. And that's why we put the battle for Leningrad on a par with other significant victories.
        1. alstr
          alstr 30 January 2018 18: 02 New
          +2
          Notice that the whole battle, not just a breakthrough.
  8. PSih2097
    PSih2097 30 January 2018 14: 07 New
    +2
    The Russians expressed their opinion about the most significant battle of the Great Patriotic War.

    there are many of them, Battles: Brest Minsk and Mogilev, Smolensk, Moscow, Odessa and Sevastopol, Voronezh and Stalingrad, you will not list all of them, they all were significant (for their own period of time) ... soldier
  9. Bypassed
    Bypassed 30 January 2018 14: 26 New
    +5
    My relative was awarded the medal "For the Defense of Stalingrad."
    Well, what’s my attitude to the “Londonogradtsev”, who allowed athletes to perform under a white rag?
    If the colors of the flag do not matter, then why did Yegorov and Kantaria put him up on the Reichstag. What is happening in Russia now is the erosion of the symbols of statehood and the continuity of generations. Already now, the boys from Urengoy for Gazprom’s money are crawling in front of the Germans on four wheels. So soon - what a victory - forget it.
  10. cedar
    cedar 30 January 2018 15: 02 New
    +5
    It is necessary to return to Stalingrad its world famous name. This will be fair and indicative for everyone, here and there, that they would think ten times before stomping on Russia.
    In short. Rename, as it was, and note this whole country.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 30 January 2018 16: 11 New
      +7
      This will be the answer to the Americans on Nemtsov Square. Let them change the name of the city on geographical and military maps.
  11. Altona
    Altona 30 January 2018 15: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Or Stalingrad, or Kursk. Both are strategic battles.

    In the heat of battle, Stalingrad is probably ahead
    but Kursk is superior in strategic importance to it.
    After Kursk, German war machine lost offensive
    abilities. I could only defend myself. This was the turning point of the entire 2nd World War.

    And Leningrad is a tactical battle.

    ----------------------------------
    If you take in importance, then probably yes. But still, the battle for Moscow was of great importance in every sense. Maybe even more propaganda. In general, all the battles were difficult and decisive. And the battle for Poland, and the capture of Budapest. The battle for Berlin was huge in scope. Bagration’s operation to liberate Belarus was also important. Stalingrad probably had more propaganda significance, Stalin twice managed to defend this city, both as Tsaritsyn and Stalingrad. There is even something symbolic in this. The city of the monarch and the city of the Secretary General at the same time.
    1. apk
      apk 30 January 2018 15: 37 New
      +2
      I also think that the battle for Moscow was no less, and maybe even greater, than the Stalingrad and Kursk battles, despite the fact that it was still far from a turning point. Both the army and the people realized that the Nazis could be beaten. Although of course there was still much to come.
  12. high
    high 30 January 2018 15: 22 New
    0
    By the way, in the 60s, one of the participants in the Battle of Stalingrad gave a lecture to us students, who drew attention to the fact that not one of the generals, defenders of Stalinrad: Chuikov, Rodimtsev .... received an additional star on uniform,, nor the title of Hero.
    Hero titles then received more than 100 soldiers and officers ...
  13. cedar
    cedar 30 January 2018 16: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: apk
    I also think that the battle for Moscow was no less, and maybe even greater, than the Stalingrad and Kursk battles, despite the fact that it was still far from a turning point. Both the army and the people realized that the Nazis could be beaten. Although of course there was still much to come.


    Naturally, the defense of the capital and the heart of the country is paramount in importance, but Moscow was not renamed New Vasyuki, the heroic Stalingrad was renamed neutral Volgograd. Historical justice will triumph, honor and courage will rise in the hearts of the people, and to the enemies of Russia it is like a sickle in the balls.
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  15. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 30 January 2018 17: 17 New
    +1
    Invalid poll. If we talk about a turning point in the Great Patriotic War, the Battle of Stalingrad laid the foundation for him, and the final transition of the initiative to the Soviet troops was the battle on the Kursk Bulge, then forward to Berlin.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 30 January 2018 19: 32 New
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      Battle of Stalingrad is more at the hearing

      The fighting in Voronezh and around it lasted for 212 days, but the Germans were not able to completely capture the city. Voronezh covered Moscow from the south, simultaneously pulling dozens of enemy divisions from Stalingrad.
      Until January 25 1943, Soviet troops defended Voronezh, carrying out an important task - they covered Moscow from the south and fettered the forces of Hungarian divisions. During the Maly Saturn offensive operation, and then the Ostrogozh-Rossoshansk and Voronezh-Kastornensky offensive operations of the Voronezh X front were German, 2-I Italian and 8-I Hungarian army. Wherein the loss of German troops amounted to Xnumx of thousands of soldiers and officers. 26 German divisions were defeated near Voronezh, and the number of prisoners was greater than near Stalingrad.
  16. faterdom
    faterdom 30 January 2018 23: 10 New
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    Quote: Korax71
    Well, to be honest, it’s actually the most significant in terms of the number of forces involved, both in strategic terms and not less bloody was the Rzhev-Sychev operation. It’s not customary to recall it, because it ended a little not so gloriously as The Battle of Stalingrad.po Ro Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge and films filmed and focuses attention. Therefore, the people are heard, but there are very few people interested in it.

    And according to the concentration at one point of mass heroism and, to put it mildly, dubious strategic and tactical decisions - this is Nevsky Piglet. Losses are still unknown, estimated from 200 to 300 thousand people, and all this on the bridgehead up to 5 km. And in the same place, the use of shamanistic “miraculous” attempts to solve the matter was either a division of the NKVD, then a brigade of communists alone, then sailors ...
    Whoever doesn’t know - “Nevsky Piglet” - an uncomfortable firing range from all sides from dominant heights on the “German” bank of the Neva, the distance from which to the Volkhov Front line was only 20 km, which the high command demanded to overcome by November 7, 41- go, then by the new year. As a result, during the liquidation by the Germans of this bridgehead, one man managed to escape - the nafiz of the division, which sailed across the Neva in winter.
    The Rzhev-Vyazemsky operation, the counterattack of the Germans in the Kharkov direction, the Crimean catastrophe of the Mehlis and Oktyabrsky — we must also know and remember these unsuccessful operations. Otherwise, we will be doomed to repeat.
    And the name of Stalingrad needs to be returned - only this can be a symbol that we finally got sick with Khrushchev's revisionism and Gorbachev-Yeltsin capitulation. And then I listened yesterday to one “presidential candidate”, we will not say who (although the horse’s face) is “Soviet people - which are to take and share ...” But Soviet people are Stalingrad, this is Kurchatov, this is Gagarin, and not these kleptomaniacs ...
  17. raw174
    raw174 31 January 2018 07: 16 New
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    My options are:
    Each of the respondents could name three most important, in his opinion, events of the Second World War.

    1. Evacuation of production;
    2. Prevention of the capture of Leningrad;
    3. The battle of Stalingrad.
    What do you think is the best way to perpetuate the memory of the Battle of Stalingrad?
    :
    1. To expand the theme of the Second World War on the subject of history;
    2. Regularly conduct lessons of courage;
    3. Form a positive image of the Red Army and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation through the media.