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Long-range "Peony" will receive digital targeting

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The Russian Defense Ministry has decided to comprehensively upgrade the 2-7 “Peony” self-propelled artillery systems developed in the 1970s, according to News.




“A large-scale modernization of the Pion artillery systems of 203 mm caliber began. A key element of the update self-propelled guns capable of hitting enemy targets at a distance of 50 km, will be a more advanced combat fire control system. The composition of the divisions of heavy-duty artillery systems in the future will include unmanned reconnaissance vehicles. They will help to direct the guns to the target, ”the newspaper writes with reference to the military department.

The Volgograd enterprise Barrikady, which is part of the UralVagonZavod corporation, is involved in the modernization works of Pions.

The weight of the artillery system is more than 45 t, the 2А44 gun has a mass of 14,6 t and a length of 11 m. The unit is capable of producing up to five projectiles in two minutes, each of which weighs about 110 kg.

According to the editor-in-chief of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, Viktor Murakhovsky, the digitization of high-power artillery control systems is an important element of army re-equipment.

Such a modernization allows the artillery divisions to be included in the single reconnaissance and fire circuits of the combat control of our troops. As shown by the fighting in Syria, this reduces the time of preparation and combat use of shock systems. The interval from identifying the target and setting the task for its destruction to a volley is reduced by 3-5 times, the expert said.

noted that for the effective use of 203-millimeter guns at maximum range, new types of projectiles are also needed.

Such developments are underway. High-precision projectiles using various technologies to improve the accuracy of firing, such as radioballistic, corrected, including the use of satellite navigation, are being created. As a result, the most powerful guns become a high-precision scalpel, which at ranges of several tens of kilometers will be able to precisely hit 1-2 with shells of important enemy targets, Murakhovsky said.
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  1. Kars
    Kars 30 January 2018 10: 04 New
    +4
    New shells are needed. Something with a remote fuse.
    1. Giant thought
      Giant thought 30 January 2018 10: 09 New
      +5
      The fact of modernization of the Soviet one, even a very good weapon at the time, is encouraging, but time goes on and new tasks arise, and our Moscow Defense Ministry is acting in an effort to modernize this unique weapon, for which it is our respect.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 30 January 2018 15: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Thought Giant
        The fact of modernization of the Soviet one, even a very good weapon at the time, is encouraging

        Here the tsimis of this news is that Peonies are capable of firing nuclear projectiles at 10 kilowatts of power. That is, this is an unequivocal "hello" to European warriors and a hint that no one will fight wall to wall with them, but stupidly by Peonies, Iskander etc. will turn Europe into a deserted desert for 10000 years.
    2. dorz
      dorz 30 January 2018 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Kars
      New shells needed. Something with a remote fuse

      ... and that the power was 10 kilotons.
      1. Rumata-estorskii
        Rumata-estorskii 30 January 2018 10: 44 New
        +4
        Do not worry, there has been a special one since Soviet times. shells on everything that has a caliber of 152 mm. In this case, the deviation from the target and half a kilometer does not matter much.
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        2. ty60
          ty60 31 January 2018 17: 53 New
          0
          2s3 Acacia with a range of 17 such ammunition had in the 300s of the last century
    3. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 30 January 2018 11: 02 New
      +4
      New shells are needed. Something with a remote fuse.
      Yes you what? And you did not know that such shells exist for a long time? And when shooting at a distance of 50 km, do not tell me why such a fuse would be needed?
    4. Northern warrior
      Northern warrior 30 January 2018 13: 35 New
      +1
      It would be better to restore the production of nuclear shells for the "Peony". One neutron shot - a couple of thousand corpses instantly!
      1. dgrabov
        dgrabov 30 January 2018 15: 07 New
        0
        Not instantly, but after a few hours or days from radiation sickness.
    5. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 January 2018 16: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      New shells are needed. What is needed with a remote fuse

      Why guns with over-horizontal firing shells with a remote fuse? what
      1. karelia-molot
        karelia-molot 31 January 2018 00: 02 New
        +1
        Obviously) to remotely)))) exploded))))))))))
        But right now, how? A peony burns, and then the sapper runs 50 kilometers - to close the wires)))))
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 31 January 2018 00: 05 New
          +1
          laughing and then 50 km - back .. Horror ((
  2. san4es
    san4es 30 January 2018 10: 10 New
    +6
    decision on the comprehensive modernization of self-propelled artillery systems 2C7 "Peony", developed in the 1970s
    soldier
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2018 10: 23 New
    +8
    Shells with a remote fuse have been around for a long time ... you need a shell with GLONNAS guidance and a bottom generator for long range. With such a caliber, theoretically, one can achieve a range of 100 km, Inexpensive (compared to a rocket) and angrily.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 January 2018 16: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      With such a caliber, theoretically, it is possible to achieve a range of 100 km, Inexpensive (in comparison with a rocket)

      don't tell me. A missile (MLRS rocket) with such a flight range will be cheaper
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 January 2018 17: 47 New
        0
        A rocket is always more expensive ...
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 January 2018 18: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Rocket is always more expensive

          due to what? What does she have an engine (in fact, a burning checker)?
          Estimate to shoot at long ranges (you claimed 100 km) - the projectile will need to be made active-reactive, and also correctable. This is a gas generator and electronics. Already, in essence, the rocket turned out. Only the requirements for electronics are an order of magnitude higher - because overload when fired reach 100g - and this cost. The missile a priori has a lighter design (it does not need to experience shot overload), and launcher cheaper than super long-range guns. So consider ..
          By the way, history has already shown who is right. Remember the first guns for firing tactical nuclear weapons? They were quickly swept away by rocket launchers. Because stupidly simpler and cheaper.
          The projectile is cheaper as long as it remains only a blank with BB
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 31 January 2018 08: 07 New
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            The missiles replaced the artillery guns because it’s difficult to build a cannon for a projectile of such power ... and the rocket accelerates longer because of the greater fuel supply .... And the rocket will always win in range. But if we consider the economy, then somewhere up to 0-50km an artillery shell will be cheaper, and then a rocket.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 31 January 2018 09: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Zaurbek
              then somewhere up to 0-50km an artillery shell will be cheaper, and then a rocket

              and I about what?
              You previously categorically stated:
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Zaurbek Yesterday, 19:47 ↑
              A rocket is always more expensive ...

              speaking about
              Quote: Zaurbek
              You can achieve a range of 100 km, Inexpensive (compared to a rocket) and angrily.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 31 January 2018 15: 45 New
                +1
                In Pion’s caliber, it’s quite possible to send a cheap projectile at 100 km ... and it will be cheaper than the TochkaU rocket or the 300mm guided missile for the Smerch MLRS.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 31 January 2018 18: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  In Pion’s caliber, it’s quite possible to send a cheap projectile at 100km ... and it will be cheaper than a 300mm rocket for the Smerch MLRS.

                  at least you agree with yourself first))

                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  But if we consider the economy, then somewhere up to 0-50km an artillery shell will be cheaper, and then a rocket.
          2. bk316
            bk316 31 January 2018 17: 24 New
            +1
            it will be necessary to make active-reactive, and also correctable.

            What are you arguing about? There is already active-reactive to it (44) and it is cheaper than a rocket.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 31 January 2018 18: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: bk316
              There is already active-reactive to it (44) and it is cheaper than a rocket

              there is no doubt. With a range of 48 kilometers. Active-reactive uncorrectable.
              Quote: bk316
              What are you arguing about?

              Here, the gentleman convinces that he can do the same, but with a firing range of 100 km, and this will cost less than the Hurricane or Tornado missile
    2. albert
      albert 30 January 2018 21: 35 New
      +1
      Actually, there was some kind of information about the tests of such an active rocket for Pion. And a firing range of 90 kilometers was achieved.
      1. bk316
        bk316 31 January 2018 17: 25 New
        +2
        90-100 but he is not accepted into service. But the people do not know.
  4. Berber
    Berber 30 January 2018 10: 32 New
    +3
    In general, the right direction has been chosen. We have a lot of equipment stored in storage. Soviet technology has great modernization potential. And in fact, less money is spent on different “prodigies”.
    1. jjj
      jjj 30 January 2018 11: 03 New
      +1
      The main thing is to have a good trunk, and the carriage and traction there
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 30 January 2018 10: 46 New
    +1
    Everything in the furnace of war .... sorry, but from all this our life is calmer and will not be better.
    However, to our authorities to claim for this, the identity is not very correct.
    1. dgrabov
      dgrabov 30 January 2018 15: 11 New
      +1
      Want peace, get ready for war. Life will not be better, but calmer
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 January 2018 15: 44 New
        0
        The formula is old. but already prepared so much !!!!
        To survive our planet, to survive to us, if that !!!
        There are big doubts for this .... the fact that cockroaches and some other wood lice will survive does not inspire me.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2018 10: 59 New
    +1
    The interval from identifying a target and setting a task for its destruction to a salvo is reduced by 3-5 times
    That suggests that the enemy will be "bad" just so many times.
  7. demiurg
    demiurg 30 January 2018 11: 08 New
    +1
    Where is Lopatov? lol
    An inertial (as the cheapest option) at 70 km from Peony which will give a QUO? It is possible that it will be cheaper to shoot shells with Glonass or an inertial system than to produce simple iron cars.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 January 2018 11: 21 New
      +1
      Not cheaper. Put the correction system, put the inertial ..) The chip with Glonnas will not add much cost.
      1. Berber
        Berber 30 January 2018 11: 57 New
        0
        Interestingly, what is cheaper is the analogue of Krasnopol, for a peony, or a similar range missile.
        1. dgrabov
          dgrabov 30 January 2018 15: 14 New
          0
          The rocket still has to be accurate as Krasnopol. Or very powerful. So Iskander or Point. Krasnopol is cheaper.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 30 January 2018 17: 48 New
            0
            They are incomparable ... there the GOS is much more complicated
            and + guidance is different.
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 30 January 2018 18: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: dgrabov
            So Iskander or Point. Krasnopol cheaper

            Can a projectile fly 500 km, like the Iskander? Or at least 120 km, like the Tochka-U rocket? No? Well, do not compare the incomparable. 50 km is the MLRS rocket range. Here is the cost of the MLRS missile and compare it with your mythical adjustable shells for the "Peony". IMHO, it will be cheaper to hammer a volley from MLRS
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 January 2018 08: 12 New
              0
              Take a point target (Ammunition depot, for example) at a distance of 40/50 km .. this is 1 mm corr shell ... or: Tochka-U rocket, Aircraft strike than anything ..... and compare the costs.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 31 January 2018 09: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: Zaurbek
                Take a point target (Ammunition depot, for example) at a distance of 40/50 km .. this is 1 mm corr shell ... or: Tochka-U rocket,

                Do you have problems with the perception of the Russian language? Reread the comment above (in general, I would recommend that you carefully read the interlocutor, and twice as carefully - yourself, before knocking on the keys). 40-50 km - MLRS missile range. What is MLRS does not need to be explained?
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 31 January 2018 15: 50 New
                  0
                  Gregory, have you heard about the accuracy of firing of barrel artillery and MLRS ?! So, it’s different ... And read if we have rockets in the calibers of Grad, Hurricane, Tornado for the MLRS ... To destroy a 50 km point target (I don’t know a hurricane, Tornado (with normal accuracy will get it) The battery will shoot all There will be a scorched field, along with the target.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 31 January 2018 18: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    Gregory, have you heard about the accuracy of firing of barrel artillery and MLRS ?!

                    heard of course
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    And read whether we have for the MLRS corr rockets in the calibers of Grad, Hurricane, Tornado

                    For "Tornado" is, even during the Soviet Union made the 9M542 shell. It will be necessary - and for the rest they will do it. It’s easier to push electronics into a rocket than into a projectile. You are also telling me about some kind of non-existent shell.
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    To destroy a 50km point target

                    guided missiles are available to destroy a point target (if collateral damage is not welcome). Yes, and depending on the purpose, besides.
                    Quote: Zaurbek
                    The battery will fire the entire ammunition. There the field will be scorched, along with the goal.

                    Are you worried about scared gophers? The main thing is a combat mission. You’ll start shooting, not to scare the enemy, but, probably, to destroy him?
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 31 January 2018 21: 28 New
                      0
                      And now, just as meticulously calculate the cost of one shell with 20 kg of TNT and even an adjustable tornado rocket with 300 kg of TNT ... I am silent about uncontrollable ...
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 31 January 2018 21: 37 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        And now, just as meticulously calculate the cost of one shell with 20 kg of TNT and even an adjustable tornado rocket with 300 kg of TNT

                        laughing Do you argue for the sake of arguing? I prefer to maintain constructive discussions.
                        UAS, of course, have the right to life, they are in all armies and are used. But each weapon has its own niche. It’s not worth attributing some magic characteristics to one means. They can be achieved, but at what cost? At the cost of the victory of technology over common sense? ..)
            2. bk316
              bk316 31 January 2018 17: 27 New
              +1
              Or at least 120 km,

              Can.
    2. dgrabov
      dgrabov 30 January 2018 15: 12 New
      0
      Isn't the barrel rifled? This rotation is inertial.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 30 January 2018 17: 26 New
        0
        No. Inertial guidance is when the coordinates of the target are set during the shot, and the projectile does not receive the target more. In theory, cheap, and moderately for sure.

        And a conventional projectile, in spite of the rotation set by the rifling, has a CVO like 0.5% when firing at maximum distances.
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Not cheaper. Put the correction system, put the inertial ..) The chip with Glonnas will not add much cost.

        It seems like the inertial is cheaper, but the accuracy is less.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 30 January 2018 17: 48 New
          0
          I mean that the governing bodies, so what, so put ...
  8. etrofimov
    etrofimov 30 January 2018 11: 12 New
    0
    And what does UVZ have to do with Peony? The chassis is completely Petersburg Kirov Plant, the artillery unit - Volgograd Barricades. And what does UVZ have to do with it ???
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 30 January 2018 11: 19 New
      +1
      Read more carefully:
      In the modernization of the "Pions" involved is part of the corporation "UralVagonZavod" Volgograd enterprise "Barricades".
      And the fact that this enterprise is part of the UVZ structure is nothing?
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 30 January 2018 11: 14 New
    0
    They do it right, the Soviet backlog and modern high-tech digital sights - make the results excellent and less cheap .....
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2018 11: 20 New
    0
    70km promised in 152mm caliber ...
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 30 January 2018 11: 37 New
      0
      for the effective use of 203 mm guns at maximum range, new types of shells are also needed.
      I think that after the development of new ammunition for the "Peony", the firing range may be even higher. But it is more important at this stage to create adjustable shells of this caliber, which will significantly increase the effectiveness of shooting.
  11. Professor
    Professor 30 January 2018 13: 06 New
    +1
    A key element in updating self-propelled guns capable of hitting enemy targets at ranges up to 50 km will be a more advanced combat fire control system

    50 km is small. Bourgeois on 50.6 km already beat. Highly accurate.
    1. Olfred
      Olfred 31 January 2018 19: 41 New
      0
      Yes, the video is spectacular as always! Why something and know how to advertise. And how much does BB deliver to such a range? 85 k $ per shot - so cheap! In Russia, there are also "Kitolov", "Krasnopol", "Centimeter"
  12. Chichikov
    Chichikov 30 January 2018 13: 56 New
    0
    And so was the "graceful machine." And with updated and adjusted ammunition - “here’s a mine and yeah!”
    Quote: Professor
    Bourgeois on 50.6 km already beat

    And among the bourgeoisie, always the best is always, especially in terms of advertising!
    1. Professor
      Professor 30 January 2018 14: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Chichikov
      And so was the "graceful machine." And with updated and adjusted ammunition - “here’s a mine and yeah!”
      Quote: Professor
      Bourgeois on 50.6 km already beat

      And among the bourgeoisie, always the best is always, especially in terms of advertising!

      Yeah. That is why with the scoop everyone was chasing the bourgeois. And now you have written it on the bourgeois komp, clicking on the bourgeois keys. By the way, this ammunition is successfully used in battle. This is relative to advertising. Regarding the article, there is no domestic ammunition at least not inferior to bourgeois. Even the advertisement is not there. But with such power, and with a point of accuracy, the munition would be a serious argument.
      1. Chichikov
        Chichikov 30 January 2018 14: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Yes, and now you wrote it on the bourgeois komp, clicking on the bourgeois keys
        Well, you write on Chinese paper too, not Egyptian papyrus!
        By the way, the invention of a computer, networks, TV, light bulb, radio, and much more, without which the bourgeois world cannot live, could not do without Russia or Russian scientists.
        1. Professor
          Professor 30 January 2018 14: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Chichikov
          Well, you write on Chinese paper too, not Egyptian papyrus!

          Not. Knocking on American qwerty keys.

          Quote: Chichikov
          By the way, the invention of a computer, networks, TV, light bulb, radio, and much more, without which the bourgeois world cannot live, could not do without Russia or Russian scientists.

          By the way. I monopenisually who invented what. As I have written more than once, I take the best from the world. And only from the best domestic.

          A bourgeois shell hits 50 + km with jewelry accuracy. good Now the time has come for Russian gunsmiths to adopt the bourgeois experience. There is nothing shameful about this. So did Peter the Great and Yosya Dzhugashvili.
          1. kapitan281271
            kapitan281271 30 January 2018 16: 56 New
            0
            I absolutely agree with you. What the fuck sho we invented. The guys who came up with the Windows shell just asked for a 3-room apartment in Moscow ............... Microsoft earned a total ............. scary to think which grandmas, and we buy our own. So that as much as you want you can blow your cheeks, what we came up with ......... grains from the chaff on the fruits only can be distinguished.
  13. dgrabov
    dgrabov 30 January 2018 15: 19 New
    0
    I once saw a filming of an anti-aircraft gun during World War II. Shop for 4 shells, pace-like mortar Cornflower, more than one shot per minute. Why is it impossible from the Msta, the Coalition or the Peony? Why do not they do water cooling, as in Maxim, or alcohol, as in aviation? And how did you increase the range of the Coalition to 70 km, although Msta has less caliber with the same caliber? Is it possible to make ramjet on an active-rocket projectile?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 January 2018 16: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: dgrabov
      pace like mortar cornflower, more than one shot per minute

      laughing more than one shot per minute gives all artillery systems, well, with the exception of monstrous))
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 January 2018 08: 15 New
      0
      On marine art systems 76/100 / 130mm barrels cool
  14. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 30 January 2018 15: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Northern warrior
    Northern warrior Today, 13:35 ↑ New
    It would be better to restore the production of nuclear shells for the "Peony". One neutron shot - a couple of thousand corpses instantly!


    It would be better to resume production of the Peony 2C7M itself to begin with.
    28 years old as they were removed from production.
  15. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 30 January 2018 16: 52 New
    +2
    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation decided on the comprehensive modernization of self-propelled artillery systems 2C7 "Peony"

    there is such a machine, 2S7M "Malka" is called.
    decreased by 1 person. crew (up to 6 people), doubled the ammunition load (up to 8 shells), almost twice - rate of fire (up to 2 rounds / min). To receive and display information from the car of the senior officer of the battery, the gunner’s and commander’s places were equipped with digital indicators with automatic data reception, which allowed to reduce the time of transferring the machine from traveling to combat position and vice versa.
  16. -Ac-
    -Ac- 18 January 2019 10: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    By the way. I monopenisually who invented what. As I have written more than once, I take the best from the world. And only from the best domestic.

    A bourgeois shell hits 50 + km with jewelry accuracy. Now the time has come for Russian gunsmiths to adopt the bourgeois experience. There is nothing shameful about this. So did Peter the Great and Yosya Dzhugashvili.

    And did you take a lot of weapons from your domestic Israeli?