Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

Rosstat data on the natural movement of the population for 2017 a year testify that the birth rate in Russia decreased last year by 10,6% compared to 2016 year - to 11,5 from 12,9 born on 1 thousand people of the population, reports Kommersant.

The birth rate has returned to the 2007 level of the year.

“In the Russian Federation, 2017 million children were born in 1,69, which is 203 thousand less than a year earlier. The fall in the birth rate is recorded for the third year in a row. 2016 million were born in 1,893, 2015 million in 1,944, 2014 million in 1,947, it was the maximum number of births achieved by joining Crimea to Russia, ”the newspaper writes.

Recall that in November, Vladimir Putin announced the reboot of Russia's demographic policy. The President extended the maternity capital program to 2022 of the year, announced the introduction of a new targeted assistance - a monthly payment in 30% of the average salary in the Russian Federation to families with the first child in his first year and a half. The president also proposed co-financing mortgages for families with two and three children - the program is being implemented since January 1.

However, as the January VTsIOM poll showed, more than half of Russians (54%) estimate the government’s actions to increase the birth rate as insufficient. The majority believes that to increase the birth rate in the country, it is necessary to significantly improve the material support of families. Respondents also noted that income growth is unlikely to lead to an increase in the birth rate, “it is necessary to change the attitudes and way of life of people.”

Rosstat also presented other final statistical data: “Compared to 2016, the mortality rate in the Russian Federation has declined - from 12,9 to thousands of people who died on 1 to 12,4 in 2017. The total number of deaths last year fell by 63,6 thousand people, to 1,824 million people. As a result, the natural population decline in 2017 was 134,4 thousand, after a natural increase in 2016, by 5,4 thousand people. ”

Comments

[The black]

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

[dik-nsk]

quite right, the few generation of the 90s grew up, and then it wasn’t up to the birth rate, they would have got s / n for the previous couple of years .. and the baby booms of the 80s have already "mostly hardened" their own

[Anarchist]

Quote: bik-nsk

and the baby booms of the 80s have already "hardened" their majority

Well, it’s not necessary - they’ve "spawned"! Now we’ll start to produce a little bit of “last ones”!
And for the generation of the 90s I agree - there are few of them, so they can’t give birth to many!

[dik-nsk]

I said "in the majority" .. I’m born on the 80th, I plan on the second one this year))

[insular]

Quote: dik-nsk

I said "in the majority" .. I’m born on the 80th, I plan on the second one this year))

Well, you gave ... "in the majority" ... not in the "majority", but in the majority
80-nicknames are just those who are already with three or soon in plans for the third, so they are behind. Age to 40 ... well, or between 30 and 40
And here’s the 90th, God forbid that the first one is managed so far, by your age and the second and third they will be matched (by your standards and personally your example, they have another 10 years in reserve for the second)

PS is also from the 80s and soon after the third (God willing - this year, and not this, so next).

[Stas157]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes around.

How easy it is to take everything off to the 90s! That is, people who indicate the reason that they refuse the second or third child are wrong ?!

VTsIOM, more than half of Russians (54%) rate the government’s actions to increase the birth rate as insufficient. Most believe that in order to increase the birth rate in the country, it is necessary to significantly improve the material support of families.

In the USSR there was a terrible war. This is a hole, so a hole! However, women gave birth to the second and third, and if necessary even more. Because it was an absolutely social protected society that took care of its people, unlike the current capitalist Russia, where there is a huge gap between different sections of the population.

[amr]

Th .... The 80th Godo counts three, 5, 3 and a year !!!!
But to be honest, there is really no state support, even taking into account the fact that before marriage at 32 he was able to build a good solid private house !!!
from the state of current, a piece of paper of capital of capital, which I don’t even know where to put and a passport of a large family, which can also be shoved deeper!

[askort154]

dik-nsk .....I said "in the majority" .. I am born on the 80th, I plan the second one this year)

Do not pull the rubber. Get started today!

[Andrey K]

Quote: dik-nsk

... I said "in the majority" .. I am born on the 80th, I plan the second one this year)) ...

Wah !!!
And my daughter gave me a granddaughter. Trying to quietly, in an old-fashioned way bring her to thoughts about her grandson

[vlad66]

Quote: Anarchist

u don’t have to - "hardened"! Now we’ll start to produce a little bit of “last ones”!

Sanya, well, actually my grandmother really gave birth to two children, gave birth to a daughter, two, and one son, stutter about the second, my wife and I stand on end.

[Anarchist]

Vlad let them give birth! Two must leave two after themselves! And I’ll leave for that “Guy” ... He didn’t have time!

[ghby]

Quote: Anarchist

And I’ll leave for that “Guy” ... He didn’t have time!

The main thing that "that guy" did not recognize

[Andrey K]

Quote: vlad66

... they stutter about the second, my wife and I stand on end ...

Vlad !!!
Comb your hair and grandmother high give birth
My daughter and granddaughter went home a couple of weeks ago, so my hohlushka burst into tears. It's hard without grandchildren, miss

[Hanokem]

This is the clearest indicator of kneeling performance.
“Life has become better, life has become more fun” (I.V. Stalin)
This is the case: either Crimea and Novorossia, and as a result of sanctions, strongly affecting the economy and, as a result, significantly reducing the birth rate. Or without the Crimea and New Russia, without sanctions, with increased prosperity and correspondingly improved demography. Decide what is more important to you.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Hanokem

... This is the clearest indicator of the effectiveness of "getting up from your knees" ...

How you famously linked the demographic pit of the 90s and the ulcer with "getting up from your knees" ...
Something in time and logic does not fit ...
What do you say with the "rising from the knees" of the native state, and you continue to get out at the expense of the repatriates?

[woron333444]

If there weren’t Crimea, they would have found another reason to announce sanctions. Jews also do not give birth a lot, although there are no sanctions. I go to rest in a village in the mountains, the first visit was surprised by the abundance of children. In families of 4-5 children. No sanctions are scary.

[Hanokem]

Familiar to you Russian Jews do not give birth. In Israel, there are an average of 3 children per woman.

[Svarog]

Quote: Hanokem

This is the clearest indicator of kneeling performance.
“Life has become better, life has become more fun” (I.V. Stalin)
This is the case: either Crimea and Novorossia, and as a result of sanctions, strongly affecting the economy and, as a result, significantly reducing the birth rate. Or without the Crimea and New Russia, without sanctions, with increased prosperity and correspondingly improved demography. Decide what is more important to you.

Crimea has nothing to do with it, this is Putin’s only right decision. Only now with New Russia it was necessary to go further, and not mumble. In any case, we would be imposed sanctions.

[Hanokem]

There would never be any sanctions in life. Light sanctions imposed after the Crimea, and exacerbated after New Russia. This is not to say whether it was necessary or not to annex Crimea and New Russia. You just need to clearly understand that a decrease in the standard of living and fertility is the result of the annexation of Crimea and New Russia.

[uskrabut]

Quote: Hanokem

You just need to clearly understand that a decrease in the standard of living and fertility is the result of the annexation of Crimea and New Russia.

The decline in living standards and fertility is the result of sloppiness and theft at the highest level of leadership of the country, their complete incompetence. Look at Dvorkovich, Siluanov, Nabiulina.

[Stas157]

Quote: Hanokem

You just need to clearly understand that a decrease in the standard of living and fertility is the result of the annexation of Crimea and New Russia.

Nonsense. If there weren’t Crimea, the birth rate result would not be better. On the contrary, Crimea corrected the already bad statistics. You look ridiculous when you give such assessments about Russian life, from Israel.

[You Vlad]

It’s simpler, a generation whose youth was in the nineties, lost twenty percent, it should have given birth and their children just now had to give birth to grandchildren! Yes, and many were pulled with children to the last.

[vlad66]

Quote: Hanokem

You just need to clearly understand that a decrease in the standard of living and fertility is the result of the annexation of Crimea and New Russia.

Miracle in feathers Novorossia is not connected in the first place, secondly, Crimea voluntarily, and not by your will, joined, and in the third, go to school and do not get confused underfoot in adults.

[a housewife]

Well, what does the Crimea have to do with it? I have two daughters - one of the 94th year, married, no children yet. Another 95th - not yet married. At the same time, while I was in the hospital, the chambers were half empty. When the eldest was born, she was the fifth newborn girl. There were 17 boys! From the second - about the same. Where are the children from, if this happened all over the country!

[uskrabut]

Quote: Hanokem

Or without the Crimea and Novorossia, without sanctions, with increased prosperity and accordingly improved demography

To be honest, there is no direct correlation here. In Russia, more or less satisfying lived until about 2008, then the crisis and the rollback of living standards. Our bosses need to learn from Stalin and his people's commissars to work, and not blame sanctions.

[Vlad.by]

Oh, you don’t need to tell us how we can live well without Crimea ...
We and the Crimea are not bad, but it will be even better.
And on the sanctions, I'm sorry, our army!

[demo]

The state of Israel, created in 1949 and filled with residents of all countries of Europe, Asia, America, and the USSR in particular, just has not yet encountered the problem of a decline in birth. More precisely, there is a decline, but it is offset by an additional influx of migrants.
The process of "persecution" of Jews in the USSR began, and the Jews went to immigration. True, 10% to Israel, and the rest - who where. Unpatriotic, somehow?
The Jews began to have problems in Europe, and again they went where and where they went to the Promised Land.
But the most interesting thing is that the problems of Jews in various countries were created by the Jews themselves.
Newspaper articles were inflated, television programs were broadcast, etc.
And it was served as anti-Semitism.
And no one knows who the owners of newspapers and television channels are Jews.
Jewish riddle?
No.
There is such a guy, flashes on our TV - Jacob Kedmi.
Those like him and he, including the initiators of anti-Semitism, to organize the influx of migrants of Jewish origin to Israel.
Very correct policy, don’t you?

So the correct state policy - with or without New Russia and the Crimea, depends on other factors.
For the purity of the experiment, we need to dispose of Bandera and the nationalists of Ukraine. The most stubborn in the scrap, less - on re-education.
And with the rest, we’ll figure it out somehow.
And look at the sanctions and population growth.
But this under one condition - the king and the boyars - patriots. Not in words. In practice.
Live and work here. For a puddle, in London, Paris for a ride they will not jump.
Taxes are paid here. For their country, in fact, not in words, they will lay down their lives.
Let them earn. If only they would not sell and betray.
And then the population will understand - the country began a revival.
No other way out.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Anarchist

Well, it’s not necessary - they’ve "spawned"! Now we’ll start to produce a little bit of “last ones”!

Fat on your stomach you spawn. You, for a start, make women give birth. And so that they agree, find them normal husbands who can provide them with a "paradise in a hut," and future children a happy childhood. In 2011, they were asked this problem. https://pandoraopen.ru/2011-08-13/demograficheska
ya-situaciya-v-rossii / The birth rate has been falling since 2014, and only Crimeans provided their 2 population growth. But you hold on, just about, a little bit remains ... until 300, and there ...

Leave conversations
Forward, forward, and there ...
Cause these are your gods
They will help you!

[Warrior with machine gun]

all hope for you, my friend, go for it)))

[Hort]

well, who’s the last, and who’s still to fix the first ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: dik-nsk

quite right, a few generation of the 90s has grown

Of our company (16-18 people), less than half remained alive. Drug Now, by the way, the heroin boom is gaining momentum again.

[Hanokem]

Ingvar, and you also used?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Hanokem

Ingvar and you used too

No. Although they offered to try repeatedly.

[andrej-shironov]

We still give birth, do not write off us! And I’m in some way a generation of the 70-80s. Just do not need anyone but us, our children.

[Victor N]

We need our children and grandchildren - this is the most natural situation. Outsiders just would not interfere. We will help to raise grandchildren, it’s a joy!
And now nobody is swelling with hunger.

[andrej-shironov]

Victor, if nobody swells from hunger, this does not mean that people eat up. Many actually go to landfills for delay, look at sites on the Internet with maps of such landfills! For example, I deny myself a lot because of the children.

[Victor N]

It will always be: used to limit their desires because of children, now - because of grandchildren, this is normal. I admit that some circumstances of life have been constrained, but there is no mass food poverty. It is necessary to work hard! But keep your Wishlist in excess of the rational. The reason for the low birth rate is not in the low incomes of the majority, but in a lack of understanding of the importance of the family in their own lives - this is the real trouble! Enlightenment comes too late.
He worked at a research institute, where very many women and men had high self-esteem: they were waiting for princes. The result - only a few managed to become single mothers and are happy with that. And others remained worthless old men and old women, not at all pretty, but irritated, somewhere angry and therefore vile and useless to anyone. And even nasty. Now, apparently, they are reproaching themselves that at one time they could not refuse trips, gadgets, clothes, delicious grub, that they did not want to darn their socks and so on.
Money is now spent on dogs and cats, pooh!

[andrej-shironov]

Victor, I agree with many of your points. And with the overestimated self-esteem of individual individuals and the limitation of Wishlist, I live this way. But I disagree with two theses:
1. If a person injects a lot not the fact that he earns a lot, in the current reality it is more likely the opposite, especially at the level of the common people.
2. Who else but the power, if it positions itself as a people, should help the individual understand the meaning of the family! Yes Yes. Through the formation of public morality, cinema, television, culture, finally. And do not get away from it!

[Svarog]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties has come to rest. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit-goers and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Yes, you don’t need to blame everything on the 90s, 30 years have passed already, and all the nineties are to blame. It is necessary to say bluntly and honestly that the government, together with the president, is mediocre, that the state’s form of organization is worthless, that the elite is corrupt, there is a mess around, corruption and impunity .. And how to give birth to children in this chaos? When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

[The black]

Quote: Svarog

Yes, you don’t need to blame everything on the 90s, 30 years have passed already, and all the nineties are to blame.

And what is wrong?
Those who were born in the nineties are now just at childbearing age .... Thank God, even with this decline, the birth rate is now higher than in the 90s by about 300-400 thousand ....

[IL-18]

Not every woman in the 1970s has one child, at least. And these are those who were supposed to give birth in the 90s. Women born in the 1960s were a little more fortunate, but even here the problem arose of feeding at least one, i.e. while still in childbearing age, they did not give birth anymore.
Add here a decline in morals, especially in the early 90s, which led to a large number of cases of infertility.

[Svarog]

Quote: Black

And what is wrong?

What's wrong? You really don’t understand? Payment for kindergarten in Tatarstan 4 000 rubles. for one child, so that there would be an increase in the birth rate in the family, there should be a minimum of 3 children and you need to pay 12t for a kindergarten. Payment of housing and communal services - dvushka 60.kv.m - 5 000 rubles. , add here the mortgage payment of 9 rubles, medicine, medicine, everything is paid and very expensive, the average salary per family is 000 rubles on average. And now subtract from here what I wrote above and also the products, the clothes (there’s no more on it). Further, they ruined the village, namely, the village has always been the locomotive of demography. And most importantly, our population will not grow under capitalism! And you can still write a bunch of everything, but it’s just angry, like all healthy people, but they don’t have their own head .. No need to listen to the zombie creature, try to think with your own head ..

[Loess]

Payment for kindergarten in Tatarstan 4 000 rub. for one child, so that there would be an increase in the birth rate in the family there should be a minimum of 3 of the child and pay for the kindergarten. 12

Even if all three children of kindergarten age need to pay 12t, half of this amount will be returned to your card. If I am not mistaken, 20% of the amount is returned if you have an 1 child, 50% if you have two children, and like 70% if you have three children. Count? 20% of 4000 = 800, 50% of 4000 = 2000, 70% of 4000 = 2800 total will return 5600. This is provided that all three children go to kindergarten. If the first goes to school, then from 8000 for kindergarten you will be returned 4800. If two go to school, then from 4000 you must return 2800 and, accordingly, the fee for kindergarten in this case will be 1200rub. Although in our region the payment for kindergarten is approximately 1500, and not 4 as in Tatarstan. (Although Google gives out 3000 in Tatarstan, 3118 to be precise, but still a bit too much compared to our region)

[Svarog]

Quote: Less

Although in our region the fee for kindergarten is about 1500, and not 4 as in Tatarstan. (Although Google gives out 3000 in Tatarstan, 3118 to be precise, but still a bit too much compared to our region)

Yes, theoretically, you correctly described everything regarding subsidies, but in practice, I could not get them. I don’t remember why, I’ll ask my wife, but in fact the subsidy was refused, and my brother has the same situation, he was also denied the subsidy. What kind of Google, it gives you the data that was two years ago. Two years ago, paying a kindergarten cost 3100 - that's true.

[Loess]

Well, Google may be lying, I do not insist, but with subsidies you have a strange situation. We have only one problem with them - every year they change the bank to whose card compensation comes. Muddled by something. Wait a moment, from the new year on, the MIR card was reissued, maybe at least this one will be for a long time.

[Svarog]

Quote: Less

Well, Google may be lying, I do not insist, but with subsidies you have a strange situation. We have only one problem with them - every year they change the bank to whose card compensation comes. Muddled by something. Wait a moment, from the new year on, the MIR card was reissued, maybe at least this one will be for a long time.

I will definitely clarify the reason for the refusal. But Tatarstan is very different from Russia, not everything that works in Russia works in Tatarstan ..

[Victor N]

Tatarstan is not Russia? Well, this is entirely your merit! Do not value happiness living in a big country, but in vain.

[Svarog]

Quote: Victor N

Tatarstan is not Russia? Well, this is entirely your merit! Do not value happiness living in a big country, but in vain.

I mean our merit? Do you think the people in Tatarstan are influencing something? You look for fun, how quickly those who are dissatisfied are capitalized here. Watch a film about thrown equity holders and how they were threatened and blocked by Sberbank cards preventing them from traveling to Moscow. I see that a person you do not have information, but quickly draw conclusions. This is a bad trait .. it already in my life I think more than once let down))

[Svarog]

Yes, here below Chernyshevsky reminded that subsidies are not paid if the income exceeds, what amount I don’t remember, but I remember that it is not very high. Roughly speaking, if you are already quite a beggar, then you will receive a subsidy.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Less

but with subsidies, your situation is strange.

This is not a situation with subsidies ... After the war, the Russian population recovered to its pre-war level in 9 years:

[Svarog]

Quote: Esoteric

Quote: Less

but with subsidies, your situation is strange.

This is not a situation with subsidies ... After the war, the Russian population recovered to its pre-war level in 9 years:

And not only the population, it was possible to restore everything and this after the most destructive war in the history of mankind, when the cities were literally in ruins. And the pro-Putin all blame the 90s. 30 years have passed! If Stalin had lived another 10 years, the whole world would have dreamed of getting a red passport!

[Victor N]

You are in vain like this: Putin himself will not raise the birth rate, and the people do not seek. After the war and in the 50s it was very difficult, very. Now the world is much more complicated. How to fix the situation - you need to imagine it yourself, but knowing the main difficulties of implementation it is difficult to make a decision. A lot of knowledge - a lot of sadness. Think about how to make the people themselves strive to give birth. It's not about the money.

[insular]

Quote: Svarog

dvushka 60.sq.m

This, by the way, is much less than what should be squared per person in families with 2 or more children. And if the area corresponded to the number of residents, the money would not be enough even more ... What is no reason not to breed?

[Pavil144]

I agree. They came up with 10 thousand for birth up to 1,5 years. It would be better to provide jobs with normal pay. Now people need, as they say, to make a career and then give birth. There are no jobs in the villages, all the youth are leaving for the city, namely in the village there were large families of 10-12 children.

[Victor N]

Yes, the villages had the largest families and the lowest incomes!
CONCLUSION: it is not a matter of income. And in public morality.

[Cheshire]

I live in Kazan, the payment of the kindergarten is really about 4000. One small clarification - if there are two children in the family, for the second 50% of the payment for the kindergarten is returned to the bank account, and for the third 70% is returned. At least they returned to us like that, the only thing is to meet the criteria for income.

[Svarog]

Quote: Cheshire

At least they returned to us like that, the only thing is to meet the criteria for income.

Yes, yes, thanks for reminding me ..

[Victor N]

With high incomes, it is not worthy to receive the subsidy!
A rich beggar is disgusting and worthy of the contempt of the universal.

[Cheshire]

If this is addressed to me, then my income is low. When the children went to the garden - 2015 it turned out with his wife no more than 35000.

[Victor N]

Whoever is unable to feed his family and raise children is doomed to lonely old age and the cessation of his kind - the law of life at all times. The main thing is OWN ABILITIES! To start a business relying on someone else's help is the height of stupidity. Know how to live by your own work, like everyone else around you.

[Cheshire]

Good words of a real man. Unfortunately, you rarely see such people now, everyone is spoiled by the office, loans and smartphones. Good luck.

[a housewife]

In the 90s it was even worse !!! You just don’t have to argue - I have to spend on kindergarten or relax at the resorts for the same money! Who needs children, he will give birth anyway!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Svarog

Payment of housing and communal services

You wrote it right.
I just want to note that every child registered in the apartment, in receipts of housing and communal services, is paid as an adult.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Svarog

Payment for kindergarten in Tatarstan 4 000 rubles. for one child, so that there would be an increase in the birth rate in the family, there should be a minimum of 3 children and you need to pay 12t for a kindergarten.

Do not mislead people! For three children in Tatarstan they pay 1600, but not 12000, as you wrote here with a light hand, should you also check everything else?

Quote: Svarog

And you can write a bunch of things

Is your nickname a bloodsucker by chance?

[Svarog]

Quote: You Vlad

Do not mislead people! For three children in Tatarstan they pay 1600, but not 12000, as you wrote here with a light hand, should you also check everything else?

Checker))) hahah, everything has already been checked and confirmed more than once .. Do you think that you don’t try to be like a clown? Take a closer look at what I and people wrote earlier.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Svarog

Checker))) hahah, everything has already been checked and confirmed more than once ..

You are still that fruit, you have to check everything How did you run 12 for three children at the top, but when it turned out that some people in the course immediately remembered about compensation But they got their way, they created everything in the background!

Quote: Svarog

You think you don’t want to be like a clown?

I write only what I know for sure and no more, unlike you And you constantly write something that you don’t know, that’s the difference between us! So which of us wants to be like a clown? I think the question is rhetorical

[Svarog]

Quote: You Vlad

You are still that fruit, everything needs to be checked for you. How you got there at the top 12 thousand for three children, but when it turned out that some people in the course immediately remembered compensation, but they got their way, they created everything in vain!

What is the background? You will learn to read and receive information, and not just see a set of words. Subsidies yes, they exist, but in order to get them you need to really be a beggar, the income per family should be no more than 30 tons. If there is no more subsidy.

[You Vlad]

Quote: Svarog

What is the background? You will learn to read and receive information, and not just see a set of words.

I read your information, surprised, received the information in other the source of what you wroteL. income per family should be no more than 30 tons.
Again not true (lies)! Compensation is due if income is less than 20 thousand per family member. 19 + 19 = 38
And this is provided that you have the whole white salary, which is rare.

[Svarog]

Quote: You Vlad

Again not true (lies)! Compensation is due if income is less than 20 thousand per family member. 19 + 19 = 38
And this is provided that you have the whole white salary, which is rare.

You just need to expose)) But the essence is clear to you, I hope? It’s not realistic to receive a subsidy .. By the fact that families with less than 40t income for two do not give birth at all. And the official RFP we pay in few places. At least among my acquaintances, of whom 4 families, no one received a subsidy. And 30t or 38 is not as important as the fact itself.

[insular]

Quote: Black

And what is wrong?

Well, if you look at the recession years, you will see that just for the last three years we have had a crisis. Prices seemed to rise, while the RFP, as it were, was not very. And as if the state, as it were, have nothing to do with it ... like ... We are still holding on, because there is no money ... Dimonchik said we are doing it.
The third year, I can’t finish the repair in the apartment, and move accordingly. Expensive. It would be all at the prices beginning on the 14th, when I planned the budget for repairs, they would have given birth to the third, and we are not in a hurry. Why isn’t you the local cause of the demographic decline of the concrete family?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: insular

Third year I can’t finish the repair in the apartment, and move accordingly. Expensive. It would be all at the prices of the beginning of the 14th, when I planned the budget for repairs, they’d give birth to a third one, but we’re not in a hurry

Class !!! To memoris
And without a beautiful repair in the apartment, of course, you can’t live.

Quote: insular

Why isn’t you the local cause of the demographic decline of the concrete family?

IMHO used to live deliciously. And comfortable.

[Esoteric]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And without a beautiful repair in the apartment, of course, you can’t live.

You would put a photo of your unsightly home before advising others. What about children? "Children need cleanliness! .. Children, they cannot grow in the mud ..."

[Svarog]

Quote: Esoteric

Quote: Golovan Jack

And without a beautiful repair in the apartment, of course, you can’t live.

You would put a photo of your unsightly home before advising others. What about children? "Children need cleanliness! .. Children, they cannot grow in the mud ..."

Golovan, he is a manul cat, has no children and is not expected and he has no idea how to raise them ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Esoteric

Children need cleanliness! .. Children, they cannot grow in the mud ...

Cleanliness and order are a must. Working plumbing is also required. Heat is a must.
All the rest are options.

Quote: Svarog

Golovan, he’s a manul cat, has no children and is not expected and he has no idea how to raise them

On turns, be careful, slip inadvertently, smash your nose ...
Golovan has a baby on February 90th.
So what is it like to live on a rental, in the absence of a salary at the main place of work for three to six months, Golovan is quite aware of himself

[a housewife]

That's it! In Europe, they live very well! Therefore, the better they live, the less they give birth! Nothing, Arabs with blacks give birth to them. There used to be Arab Spain, there will be all of Europe!

[Svarog]

Quote: Golovan Jack

So what is it like to live on a rental, in the absence of a salary at the main place of work for three to six months, Golovan is quite aware of himself

Here is in the know of everything, while always asking some strange questions and the current situation suits you, despite the fact that you constantly make it clear that you are not just living .. Are you a masochist?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Svarog

constantly make it clear that you are not just living

1.1. You are the first to notice it.
1.2. In general, “if you are over forty, you woke up and nothing hurts, then you have died” (c). I'm well over fifty. And that does not hurt - it itches (in the broad sense of the word)

Quote: Svarog

Are you a masochist?

2.1. Do not judge people by yourself.
2.2. I just don’t whine. Not trained

Quote: Svarog

you always ask some strange questions

3. Why are weird? What kind of questions, specifically?

Quote: Svarog

the current situation suits you

4. Where did you get it? It’s not always at all, and not at all happy with everything ... just - see section 2.2.
Still simple ... Svarog

[Svarog]

Quote: Golovan Jack

2.2. I just don’t whine. Not trained

So you are just a vegetable, sorry for such a comparison, but passivity in matters of your future and your children is very bad. And what do you mean whining? They show you a real picture, which is not told in the media - this is not nagging, but an objective statement of fact. But when, people endures everything silently, then they call him “patient”. And he believes that he does not ache. What is the use of the fact that when you see all this disgrace you are silent? Or do you think it will resolve itself?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Svarog

They show you real picture, which is not told in the media ...

Where did you get that what you are saying isreal picture"?
What makes you think that I see and know less than you?
IMHO you ... a little presumptuous

Quote: Svarog

What is the use of seeing all this disgrace you are silent?

And what good is your moaning here, ahem?

Quote: Svarog

So you are just a vegetable

You yourself ... this word

[Victor N]

“Vegetable” and “tolerated” - this is one who himself is unable to provide for his family, sits and expects handouts from God. Yes, and complains that they serve a little. It is forbidden to give birth in such a way; there is nothing to miserable for the poor, let them die out.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Golovan Jack

Come on.
I know your inflated rating and by whom, this is not an indicator of your success, even on the site.
Your snobbery is not intellectuality.
You are just a troll, an empty empty, surface troll, grabbing the tops in the 10th grade of the 80s.
You have been repeatedly caught by the hand for your "notions."
A colleague, a haul or a “manul” that has been reborn into a dog, has more weight?
Because of you, the dofig of normal, competent, competent people was banned!
You formulate at least one thought, at least one, from the moment you appeared on the site!
Threat. You during the life of people what are you swearing at? For money? principle? or from melancholy?
I ask the current, do not get under the wheels!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stroporez

You have been repeatedly caught by the hand for your "notions"

I repeat the second time - examples of "hand-catching" - in the studio.
Trepidation is not taken into account. Yours, I mean.

Quote: Stroporez

For money? principle? or from melancholy?

You and others like me annoy me.

Quote: Stroporez

Because of you banned dofig normal, competent, competent people

I don’t remember that. Trolls from the heels, yes, I survived from here. Their system was very nervous

Quote: Stroporez

I ask the current, do not get under the wheels!

Well, what kind of wheels do you have ... in the medicine cabinet, perhaps. So then, besides yourself, it’s not dangerous for anyone

[Korax71]

It seems to me, dear comrade, that you, too, do not live in a stable ????? and there is nothing wrong with that if a person lives by means. Having given birth to a child, he will certainly not complete the repair in the next few years.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Korax71

having given birth to a child, in the next few years he certainly will not finish the repair

Well, one more from the same series ...
I repeat: I know from my own experience that it is possible to create normal conditions for a family ... literally "out of nothing."
And here, you see, repairs in the apartment interfere with giving birth
Don't ... don't get me this

[insular]

Quote: Golovan Jack

I know from my own experience that it is possible to create normal conditions for a family ... literally "out of nothing."

Well, since I barked "out of nothing" - now keep the answer. Tell how you are from scratch, from scratch, to a young family you will buy an apartment, repair and equip it.
Forward!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: insular

Well, since I barked “out of nothing” - now keep the answer

To whom, excuse me? You are nobody to me, and there is no way to call you.

Quote: insular

Tell how you can buy, repair and equip a young family from scratch, from scratch.

But I didn’t say that.
It is a right now fashionable - to buy apartments. In my time, there was enough removable.
And yes. I solved my problems. And it’s up to you to decide ... I won’t even think about it - I repeat, you’re nobody to me, and calling you

[insular]

Quote: Golovan Jack

To whom, excuse me?

Before who you are throwing words at. Dog share - "bark into the bushes." Well then - your choice. The value of your opinion tends to minus infinity.
PS Avatar in the subject.

Quote: Golovan Jack

In my time, there was enough removable.

The cost of renting a 2 (3) room apartment in Sakhalin is 35 tr. (55 tr.)
After 10 years, you will pay its full cost to the owners, and you yourself will remain without housing and money.
This is very eloquent about the level of intelligence. Even the dog does not pull ...

[insular]

And you try to turn your head on and you will understand what was meant by a mortgage for 10 years with the same payments.
In one case, you will remain with your own apartment, in the other without money and without an apartment.
Although you understand everything. But ZP forum troll need to work out the same? And they say kremleboty - this is fiction

[Golovan Jack]

Well, why are you getting used to something?
He said, Russian on white - I will not solve your problems.
I have already decided my own, about which I honestly wrote.
Do not like it - do not eat.
Only my wife and child were primary (and troubles were resolved in the order of occurrence), and you, on a campaign, have an apartment and a decent life. You are all out of your mind, and you love yourself very much.
It is thanks to these that there is a decrease in the birth rate. IMHO.

[insular]

The comment was deleted.

What, I realized that about 550 pieces blurted out get along?
Yes, yes, I’ll help you calculate, even though you deleted the comment:
55 * 12 * 10 = 6.6 million ...

Quote: Golovan Jack

Well, why are you getting used to something?

Fuck in the deep gap and cry It’s incomprehensible that you are catching up here, catching you by words, and you are dropping with a sour pot. Do not Cry. I won’t troll you anymore. Well, I’ll try.
Damn it, who am I lying to? Of course I will and more! I hate kremlebots.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: insular

55 * 12 * 10 = 6.6 million ...

Thanks, I counted already.
Work 2 nights and a day, then you will teach me the multiplication table
All. I am leaving you, they gave me 6 hours to sleep. It's holy

[insular]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Class !!! To memoris

Where did you shove it to yourself? And in Russian?

Quote: Golovan Jack

And without a beautiful repair in the apartment, of course, you can’t live.

Do you know the prices?
The apartment at the stage of the interest holder - 75t.r. per square. As a result, the black key - nowhere is blacker.
The apartment is 72 square.
The cost of repair work (only work) is 8-9 tr. per square.
Materials - furniture - appliances, but you better not even know such prices. Even at a minimum. - this is Sakhalin. There’s nothing of your own, everything is from the mainland, but have you seen delivery prices?

Quote: Golovan Jack

IMHO used to live deliciously. And comfortable.

Those who got an apartment from a party for free are beautifully used to living. And the one who sees only requisitions from the state is used to calculating every step he takes.

[badens1111]

Quote: insular

Do you know the prices?

He doesn’t know anything. More precisely, he lies at every turn, about the allegedly "wonderful life"
Widely advertised mortgage = Daughter went .., in the coffin I saw all these banks from Sberbank to VTB with their overpayment of one and a half million, in bondage for 10 years.

[insular]

Trolina he.
So my apartment was bought on a mortgage ... In 2014, at 12% for 20 years.
Knowing the price per square, knowing the area - it is not possible to calculate the cost of an apartment. Knowing the interest rate and term - it is not difficult to calculate the monthly payment.
Knowing the monthly payment, it is not difficult to imagine how much after all payments there remains no survival with two children (not for life).
And after all this, take it and quickly and easily make repairs and furnishings, and even give birth to a third?
I think someone is dope

[Sling cutter]

Quote: insular

Trolina he.

This is not trolin, but a troll!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: insular

Trolina he.

This is not trolin, but a troll!

In the mirror Sling cutterin the mirror!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: badens1111

More precisely, he lies at every step, about allegedly "wonderful life"

Examples in the studio.
Nakhalov is caught by the tongue. So I will catch you

Quote: badens1111

with their overpayment of one and a half million, in bondage for 10 years

And what is it? Under the Union, in order to leave departmental housing for itself, it was necessary to work out 10 years ... just my case, by the way.
It was especially fun from the 90th to the 96th

[andrej-shironov]

And it’s not so that if there was a good socio-economic situation in the country now, they would have given birth to 2000. However, young people are fooled, baffled, left to their own devices. And these are miscalculations of the current government and not the legacy of the 90s

[vlad66]

Quote: andrej-shironov

current power and not the legacy of the 90s

Another miracle that you know about the 90s? Never looked into the eyes of a child who wants a chocolate bar, but you can’t buy it? Father waits for a third month, comes with a job, his wife cooks dumplings for children, and I’m chewing with a black bread and that the children aren’t fed enough and that’s why you’re getting sick. deprived. He knows.

[andrej-shironov]

Hear a miracle, if something is already 45. And about the 90s I know more of you.

[vlad66]

Quote: andrej-shironov

about the 90s I know more than you

Listen son, just don’t tell me a child, I’m already 52 and more experience, sit on the priest exactly patsunchcheg.

[andrej-shironov]

Another enchanting interlocutor like Golovan! When you catch such lies in rudeness, everything is taken away immediately. Well, how many children do you have uncle and how old are they?

[vlad66]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Another enchanting interlocutor like Golovan!

From you the mind is rushing, just a whole chamber, And what does Golovan Jack have to do with it?
My dear man, it seems that he is not present in our discussion, but speaking through the eyes is not very nice and that’s still said softly.

Quote: andrej-shironov

When you catch such lies in rudeness, they immediately lead everything into rudeness

And he caught a lot, and when and where, and whom

Quote: andrej-shironov

Well, how many children do you have uncle and how old are they?

Child, I’ve been a grandfather for a long time moreover, three times, and the children of 30 and 24 and their childhood just in the 90s had to, God forbid your children to experience this, and especially to their parents.

[a housewife]

What a miracle in feathers, this andrej! Life is taught to all!

[andrej-shironov]

Opachki! I feel the Golovan team pulled up! I'll mix it! I'm not interested in you, why write?

[andrej-shironov]

Yes, despite the fact that you are cloned as a carbon copy with him Arguments zero one rudeness! You raised them when there were Soviet education and Soviet medicine! You two now grow up, and better than three! When everywhere and for everything you have to pay! Uncle accused you of lying, because I am no longer young and at 90 I plowed with might and main!

[vlad66]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Yes, despite the fact that you are cloned as a carbon copy with him

Nephew, yes I am stealing a miracle in your feathers

Quote: andrej-shironov

You two now grow up, and better than three

So now we are raising three grandchildren, you are a weak singer.

Quote: andrej-shironov

Uncle accused you of lying, because I am no longer young and at 90 I plowed with might and main!

Plowed tongue As you breach here, you are a middle-aged boy.

Quote: housewife

Golovan! It turns out I am your team !!!

Of course our team Irina

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: andrej-shironov

I'm already 45

Thank. Already funny.

Quote: andrej-shironov

about the 90s I know more than you

It is unlikely

[andrej-shironov]

Laugh Golovan, the laughter prolongs laughter!

[a housewife]

Golovan! It turns out I am your team !!!

[andrej-shironov]

You are here while communicate with each other girls ....

[Victor N]

Take me!

[Esoteric]

Quote: andrej-shironov

And these are miscalculations of the current government

The main ways to destroy the Russian nation:

1. Physical methods aimed at reducing fertility:
Elimination of the possibility of becoming pregnant (condoms and other contraceptives)
Destroying an Existing Pregnancy (Abortion)
Protection and development of prostitution (women in puberty do not create a family)
Expulsion of the Russian population by migrants from other countries
2. Ideological methods aimed at reducing the birth rate:
Propaganda of “safe sex” (“from disease”, in fact, for extinction, for propaganda of debauchery, promiscuous sexual relations and the destruction of family values)
Family planning (postponing the creation of a family for “later”, so that people themselves decide to end their family)
Feminism (creating impossible conditions for women to have children, forcing them to work on equal terms with men)
Propaganda of life for yourself (instead of the right purpose of life - life for your family, for your children)
Propaganda of debauchery (promiscuous sexual relations)
Propaganda of perversions (homosexuality, lesbianism, pedophilia)
Substitution of life goals (instead of creating a family, task number 1, palm off any other life goals)
The spread of pornography (another blow to family values)
3. Methods aimed at reducing the health of the nation and thereby its destruction:
Propaganda of narcotic drugs (alcohol, cocaine, heroin, tobacco, marijuana and others)
Abortion and birth control medications (reduce the fertility of healthy women)
Fertility-lowering vaccinations, vaccines, genetically modified products containing contraceptive substances (in order to feed an entire nation with these products)

[Svarog]

These are not miscalculations, this is just ideology. And they don’t know how to count ..

Quote: Esoteric

Quote: andrej-shironov

And these are miscalculations of the current government

The main ways to destroy the Russian nation:

1. Physical methods aimed at reducing fertility:
Elimination of the possibility of becoming pregnant (condoms and other contraceptives)
Destroying an Existing Pregnancy (Abortion)
Protection and development of prostitution (women in puberty do not create a family)
Expulsion of the Russian population by migrants from other countries
2. Ideological methods aimed at reducing the birth rate:
Propaganda of “safe sex” (“from disease”, in fact, for extinction, for propaganda of debauchery, promiscuous sexual relations and the destruction of family values)
Family planning (postponing the creation of a family for “later”, so that people themselves decide to end their family)
Feminism (creating impossible conditions for women to have children, forcing them to work on equal terms with men)
Propaganda of life for yourself (instead of the right purpose of life - life for your family, for your children)
Propaganda of debauchery (promiscuous sexual relations)
Propaganda of perversions (homosexuality, lesbianism, pedophilia)
Substitution of life goals (instead of creating a family, task number 1, palm off any other life goals)
The spread of pornography (another blow to family values)
3. Methods aimed at reducing the health of the nation and thereby its destruction:
Propaganda of narcotic drugs (alcohol, cocaine, heroin, tobacco, marijuana and others)
Abortion and birth control medications (reduce the fertility of healthy women)
Fertility-lowering vaccinations, vaccines, genetically modified products containing contraceptive substances (in order to feed an entire nation with these products)

[Servisinzhener]

About vaccinations and vaccines fieric nonsense.

[Victor N]

Parents are obliged to feed the children, not power. Here is the demand from parents first! And what the parents say to themselves in justification, then the authorities are offset.

[Lesorub]

Laughter and sin - Blame everything on the 90th, (yes, an undeniably difficult period), but during this time - I would like to see steps to meet the state in the form of social and economic programs!

[Bulrumeb]

Those who were born in the nineties are now at their childbearing age ....

However, they do not give birth. Just compare, well, at least with your parents, who at their age had at least one child, and who had two, there were those who were thirty and three planed. The generation of the 90s gives birth a little, not only because they are few in number, but also because they don’t want to, who builds careers, who doesn’t allow mat. Position, and who generally lives only for themselves, etc.

[Loess]

Are you starving?

[Loess]

When the pious peasant from the city of Shuya, Vladimir County, Fyodor Vasilyev decided to marry the same pious Russian peasant woman, he did not even suspect that he would become famous not only in his time, but for many years and even centuries, as the father of the largest number of children born from one wife.
Unfortunately, the story has not preserved even small details about this woman. The direct descendants of the Vasiliev family, who still live in those places, do not know either the name or the surname of the girlhood of this legendary mother, who set a kind of record.
In total, over the 40 years (from 1725 to 1765), she gave birth to 69 children: four times - quadruples, seven times - triplets and 16 times twins, that is, none of her many children were born alone. There were twenty-seven births in total, and only two babies died at birth, the rest of the children lived to adulthood. Nobody then did an abortion in Russia, and they gave birth to children, as many as God would send. Childbearing has always been considered a blessing from above, so the Lord apparently favored the Vasiliev family.
We can assume what responsibility lay on the shoulders of this amazing man! What a job it was worth to feed and dress such a huge family!

[andrej-shironov]

Less, I wanted to ask for a long time, but how many children do you have?

[Loess]

Two ... for now, anyway.

[andrej-shironov]

How about a third? How much are they? We are already wrapped up, waiting for you.

[Loess]

10 and 5, wait until the plans to take a mortgage this or next year, but we'll see. Although they say: if you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans for tomorrow.

[andrej-shironov]

Loess - everything will be fine! Plans are needed and important. And buy a new apartment. They won’t give me a mortgage, because I’m unemployed, I will solve this problem without the participation of banks, but this is to some extent good.

[already a Muscovite]

Vasiliev also had 18 children in his second marriage - 6 pairs of twins and 2 triplets. Thus, he had 87 children in total. At least 82 of them were alive in 1782. Information about the Vasilyev family is included in the Guinness Book of Records ... NDA ... This is apparently the patriarch of some kind of vampire ....

[Esoteric]

Quote: already a Muscovite

This is apparently the patriarch of some kind of vampire ....

If Yevgeny Vasiliev is his inside-outside-inside-inside-laundress, then YES!

[Muvka]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties has come to rest. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit-goers and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Yes, you don’t need to blame everything on the 90s, 30 years have passed already, and all the nineties are to blame. It is necessary to say bluntly and honestly that the government, together with the president, is mediocre, that the state’s form of organization is worthless, that the elite is corrupt, there is a mess around, corruption and impunity .. And how to give birth to children in this chaos? When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

Do you understand demography at all? Just 25 years have passed. 25 years is the age when it is best to give birth. And who should give birth if 25 years ago there was no birth rate? Children from nowhere do not come.

[Svarog]

Quote: Muvka

Do you understand demography at all? Just 25 years have passed. 25 years is the age when it is best to give birth. And who should give birth if 25 years ago there was no birth rate? Children from nowhere do not come.

You stayed in the 20th century, 25 years old, now, just not many give birth. And many already give birth at 30 and 35 and 40 yes, yes, you will be surprised at 40. My wife gave birth to a third child at 36 years old. So in her house all the women were over 30. If we had a government that would be adequate and really want to see population growth, we could develop a program, a real program, to increase the birth rate. And this is just one of the arguments. You can familiarize yourself with others by looking at the comments of our colleagues, a lot of healthy people, which certainly pleases. But it saddens me that there are a lot of those to whom they put all kinds of nonsense from the zombie creator and people unconditionally believe this.

[vlad66]

Quote: Svarog

When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

Here from you, in each news, there are only slogans and promises of a brighter future;

[Svarog]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: Svarog

When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

Here from you, in each news, there are only slogans and promises of a brighter future;

Do I have slogans and promises? What are you talking about? Can you give an example? What did I promise to whom? and what slogans proclaimed?

[vlad66]

Quote: Svarog

it’s just angry, like all sane people, but they don’t have their own head .. No need to listen to the zombie creator, try to think with your own head ..

Quote: Svarog

When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

Quote: Svarog

It must be directly and honestly said that the government, together with the president, is mediocre, that

This is only one news, but if you raise everything? Read your comments archive yourself, it may become interesting for everyone, everyone discusses problems and criticizes and does the right thing, then there will be more problems to hush up, but look VERY LITTLE on this resource who douses your Grudinin with slops, didn’t hear that he would be offended like you and some forum users insulting and watering Putin’s slops, you made your campaign that Grudinin won’t get my vote and my family’s votes, and that’s 5 more people, agitate further and Putin will definitely be president again.

[Svarog]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: Svarog

it’s just angry, like all sane people, but they don’t have their own head .. No need to listen to the zombie creator, try to think with your own head ..

Quote: Svarog

When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

Quote: Svarog

It must be directly and honestly said that the government, together with the president, is mediocre, that

This is only one news, but if you raise everything? Read your comments archive yourself, it may become interesting for everyone, everyone discusses problems and criticizes and does the right thing, then there will be more problems to hush up, but look VERY LITTLE on this resource who douses your Grudinin with slops, didn’t hear that he would be offended like you and some forum users insulting and watering Putin’s slops, you made your campaign that Grudinin won’t get my vote and my family’s votes, and that’s 5 more people, agitate further and Putin will definitely be president again.

1. The examples you cited regarding slogans, complete nonsense are not slogans, but an expression of one’s own opinion.
2. Complete rubbish about watering Putin's slops. I am in a very correct form, talking about the real. Not about what they say on TV, but about what I see myself. And the fact that having brought the economy and demography to what we now have, it goes on for another term, while the flows of lies have increased many times by the media, this all makes me angry. But, once again, its manifestations are very correct and true, which is very different from the flow of slops towards Grudinin.
3. For whom you will vote - this is your own business. I vote not so much for the individual as for the ideology. Although this time everything organically coincided))

[askort154]

Svarog ...... And how to give birth to children in this chaos? When you have nothing to eat. Continuous slogans and promises.

I look at you, and you are a whiner. You have all the posts - "the boss is all gone."
Instead of daily whining on the "keys", try to work manly - with your head and handles. Sorry for your wife living with a whiner. sorry for
bluntness, but tired of your "snot" on a branch.

[Svarog]

Quote: askort154

bluntness, but tired of your "snot" on a branch

Your opinion interests me a little .. But you must understand that 85% of whiners are now in the country and it would be much better if these whiners get their whining, otherwise, it might happen in 17, and I think this is like you no whiners do not want.

[askort154]

Svarog .....Your opinion interests me a little .. But you have to understand that whiners are now 85% in the country and it would be much better if these whiners get their whining, otherwise, it might happen as early as 17, and I think this is also like you like whiners do not want.

Go teach lessons, and do not distribute here "Navalny's training manuals". Do you have any idea what 85% is.? You’ve been on this site for 2,5 months, and let snot go for years. You have not yet formed a concept of life. You live in a strange mind .Sgin!

[Victor N]

It is a pity if you are right - about 85%.
But nothing will come of the “whiners": neither children, nor revolutions.

[vlad66]

Quote: askort154

Instead of daily whining on the "keys", try to work like a man -

Elections Alexander, just elections, March 18 Glory to you, God, this booth will end, someone will cry, someone will dance, then finally people will start to work, head and hands, and now politics has just demolished the cuckoo.

[askort154]

Vlad66 .....Election Alexander, just elections, March 18, Glory to you, Lord, this booth will end, ...

Yeah, cockroaches climbed out of the cracks. Before the elections in 2012, their main hype was - "Putin has 40 mln. Dollars abroad." Now they are silent, apparently he already drank them.

[Victor N]

What does the government have to do with it? I can’t even imagine what mediocrity you need to be in order to starve today! And without new clothes and smartphones is not only possible, but also necessary to do. And most importantly, you need to understand for yourself that without children, life loses most of the meanings: you will soon get tired of yourself and understand that no one is nice and not needed.
It is useless to grind the 90s as the cause of dem. crisis. The reason is in the heads!

[Svarog]

Quote: Victor N

What does the government have to do with it? I can’t even imagine what mediocrity you need to be in order to starve today

There is such a saying - don’t give up the amount of the prison ... Life is an interesting thing, you may not even notice how quickly you find yourself in a situation that you can’t even imagine ..

[You Vlad]

Quote: Svarog

Life is an interesting thing, you may not notice how very quickly you find yourself in a position that you can’t even imagine ..

Commendable if you truly understand this

[vlad66]

Quote: Svarog

There is such a proverb - don’t swear from the amount and the prison .. Life is an interesting thing, you may not even notice how quickly you find yourself in a situation that you can’t even imagine

DO NOT TRUST, DO NOT FEAR, DO NOT ASK.

[woron333444]

Again Putin is to blame, did not crawl into your bed and did not make a child for you.

[Giants]

To improve the situation, you need cheap affordable housing, so that young people create families, live and breed. And our priority is to throw away tens of billions of greenery at Sochi 2014 and the 2018 World Cup. These decisions were made either by stupid or pests. IHMO

[Prometey]

Quote: Black

What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

So they are in power now. But the fall in living standards now, of course, no, there is no unemployment? Why did they go to that again and returned.

[andrej-shironov]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Not just laid down but methodically practiced by modern shit and liberals.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Not just laid down but methodically practiced by modern bullshit and liberals

Quote: andrej-shironov

They won’t give me a mortgage because I’m unemployed ...

Drop the troll, go to work already

[andrej-shironov]

Only after you I’m at least for the idea and not for the money ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: andrej-shironov

I’m at least for the idea and not for the money ..

For money, uncle, I program Aksu. Now, by the way, is a sale (stuck bugs in the program at a good load), since there is money - you can buy a board yourself, for example. Not ironing, but for snowboarding
And here I pinch your brother so ... so that your life does not seem to be honey

[andrej-shironov]

Do not flatter yourself Golovan for tingling! You really do not work out the money that you get paid! And by the way, have a family and children already and there will be something to do right away

[You Vlad]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Do not flatter yourself Golovan for tingling!

You would have to listen to smart people, and you are pretending to be a fool!
kzotreriki, how the elections come (work off) and leave after! Since no one has the patience to read this nonsense for a long time, Jack was here, is and will be ..

[andrej-shironov]

And you would think with your own head. Yes, and Golovan does not pull on the smart. I would even add: Golovan was, is and will be! The money is not in vain for him, I hope to get paid.

[You Vlad]

Master master, pretend to be further.

[andrej-shironov]

I agree, my will. I’ll tell you something else: if someone has been sitting here for a long time, this does not mean that he is the ultimate truth. And given the presence of a dense swarm of trolls on these kinds of sites working for money, should I be condescending and sensitive?

[Alex-a832]

I fully support the legacy of the 90s. When the second daughter was born in the 90s, my wife and I looked at them as weak-minded: why should I bring rogues. I could barely make ends meet. Only after 2010 we were able to afford four more children, although age seemed to hint that it was time to start working on grandchildren, and not children. And in finances, even without fat, but I pull the family at a good level. Though they look at us, but without negativity, the perception of the Russians has changed greatly.

[andrej-shironov]

Respected! You are well done!

[a housewife]

I respect you, Alex !!!!!!!

[Lavrenti Pavlovich]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

And now it’s not much better, for young people the problem is to find a permanent job, meager salaries with constant inflation, with a salary of 40 thousand rubles and an apartment cost of 6 million or more — which mortgage can be. Yesterday I was in the store and left 5.5 tons of rub. I almost bought nothing. Where does the birth rate come from when most of the population simply survives.

[Alex-a832]

the cost of the apartment is from 6 million - what kind of mortgage can be. Yesterday I was in the store and left 5.5 tons of rub. I almost bought nothing.

Dear, you will not be from Moscow in any way. The periphery lives more modestly. For example, for 6 million in Orel, Bryansk or Kursk, you can take an apartment in a new building under 170 squares or a large house with land in the suburbs. In my opinion, for young people at the initial stage, 45 sq.m2 is normal.
At the cost of products - by 5.5 thousand rubles. my family eats very well for a week, with a complete diet. I buy red caviar on holidays, and we get along with cod caviar. Here is the situation ...

[Svarog]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Here is another argument that has nothing to do with the 90s, more precisely, we are returning there again .. https://news.mail.ru/economics/32389955/?frommail
=1

[amr]

The fault is not in the economy, the fault in the family institute which is not there right now, it is the philosophy of the state, it is not just 2-3 smart laws!
Maternal capital is some kind of starting sound ..
I am 37 years old, I have three children 5,3,1. there is maternal capital, what to do with it ???
to buy an apartment I need start-up capital ... at the same time, at the age of 30, even before the children, I already built my house on 200 sq. m, in theory I don’t really need an apartment, well, except for passive income, I’d buy an apartment and rent it, money in a family, they will grow someone gets !!! ......
but I have 3 years of maternal capital, I won’t know what to do with it ...
my wife recently issued assistance to many children 500 rubles for bread, we in Crimea have such an allowance))))
There is no state policy in relation to large families, no word from the word!
What does a large family passport give me ???
1st without a line in kindergarten, but since we have no places in the kindergarten, then we have a line of beneficiaries including the military, this is about the average son ....
2nd + communal 50% ....
3rd + a year 1-2 times we attend cultural events at discounts for large families ... we attend a lot more, but at a discount for large children 1-2 times, for example: Simferopol Zoo and Park for Children provides a discount for many children with current on the 15th months and not all rides)))
and yes, as the state still has many children, it gives a preferential mortgage and pays 0,5%, those on the loan rate not 13%, but 12,5% ​​really help))))
but at the same time there is a worker in the village who receives a salary of 8-12 tr, who is engaged in large families, what he does, I don’t know, I saw him once when he issued me a passport for a large family, but if you fire him and give the money to families, it’s more sense) )))

[Chestnut]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Hare is nonsense to write, the nineties were thirty years ago, people live in loans, pledges of housing, because there is no work, all the factories and production abroad, in China, the EU, the USA, and Putin doesn’t really itch, to return work to our country.
Russians feed Americans, Chinese, Europeans, and the poor and hungry themselves, that's such a sad deal.
We need to get out of the global economy, it is devouring us.
The so-called import substitution is so sluggish and uncertain that we will remain in the same pit after two thousand years.
Credit slavery is gaining momentum in the country, sharashka “fast money” is growing like mushrooms, in such realities, people are trying to survive, and the child is about thirty.

[Victor N]

In Germany, there is everything, only give birth a little, Asians grows.
So happiness is not in money!

[tomket]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

This is not the 90-e, but the 2000-e and the continuation of politics. The decline in the birth rate is a clear reflection of the deteriorating financial situation of Russians. Perhaps respondents also need to change their attitudes and lifestyles, but most of them would not be disturbed by normal living conditions, children's products and goods at reasonable prices.

[Victor N]

Ancestors several times in their lives built housing for themselves and gave birth to children. And this is not only in Russia. Self-love destroys not only individuals, but entire nations.

[zloybond]

But in the Krasnodar Territory, the population is growing at a frantic pace. Especially the people rushing from the Far East, after the Ministry of Development of the Far East appeared)))) Krasnodar in three years grew from 800 thousand to 1,3 million ... although it seems to be more ... The first voices appeared on the topic that need anti-advertising edge). The people are shouting the guard! So here it is an official indicator of the work of the Ministry of Development of the Far Eastern Territory)))))) Cheers comrades ... medals to everyone, especially the leadership! As the saying goes: Why do you have George with a bow? I’m a minister adjutant!

[skeptic31]

True, but not quite. In the last three years there has been a sharp drop in the standard of living of the population. In this situation, giving birth has become extremely dangerous. It should also be borne in mind that, in fact, the money offered for the first child will go to the lucky few. Moreover, it is by no means in those regions of Russia where the most lousy situation is with the birth rate. The document is drawn up in such a way that most of the money will be directed to the national republics, where there is already a high birth rate.

[Uncle lee]

Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

[bald]

I completely agree, without any additives, and there is nothing to be wise here.

[Ingvar 72]

Hello!

Quote: bald

as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

Well, here it is not so much a matter of welfare, it is more a matter of educating moral qualities. When ALL sources of information promote a consumer lifestyle, well-being fades into the background. We need state propaganda of patriarchal values ​​and tight media control for propaganda of a rampant lifestyle. An example - in China, Western-style talk shows were banned as violating the cultural image of the people.
And we have .... in a word, a clip of Leningrad "Monkey and Eagle", I recommend.
According to the article - moreover, the birth rate fell due to Russian families.

[bald]

These are not my words - I just agree with them. What you said is true - this is part of the welfare system, which consists of many points. You say: "... the upbringing of moral qualities" - What kind of upbringing can we talk about if children see all the problems of their parents - money. No sections, nothing for free - just money and a "beautiful" life on TV and computer. It is necessary to prohibit in a reasonable manner, which our deputies lack. And at the expense of the Russian birth rate - it may be ridiculous, but it is on a subconscious, reasonable level. In other nations, due to mass extinction, according to living conditions incomparable with Russian, in the subconscious mind to give birth, as much as possible - for the survival of the people. I’ve got it.

[tomket]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And we have .... in a word, a clip of Leningrad "Monkey and Eagle", I recommend.

And Leningrad, as I understand it, promotes all the best and all the brightest)))) Sorry, but for me, admirers of Leningrad are no better than admirers of Malakhov +. Although not. Admirers of Malakhov + do not promote vodka and do not swear obscenities left and right.

[SRC P-15]

Quote from Uncle Lee

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country ...

That is, in your opinion, the higher the welfare in the country, the greater the birth rate? Then in Europe, and in the USA, there would not be enough space for the kids! And in Africa, on the contrary: children would not be found.

[Uncle lee]

I am writing about our country, not about Africa and the USA.

[SRC P-15]

Quote from Uncle Lee

I am writing about our country, not about Africa and the USA.

And in our country, in your opinion, are children doing differently? Remember our country after World War II: the birth rate was very high, in contrast to the welfare of the country destroyed by the Nazis.

[The black]

Quote: Uncle Lee

I am writing about our country, not about Africa and the USA.

I treat you with respect, I often see your comments, but I don’t agree ... in general, we do not differ from them in this matter (look what families were Before and AFTER the revolution - 4-5 children were normal, after the Second World War the same thing. My parents are both from large families - 6 children each, who were born approximately from 1937 to 1949. Not the easiest time, you must agree). And now, believe it or not, but the whole world practice says that the growth of wealth, oddly enough, reduces fertility. Factors and reasons - a bunch.

[Uncle lee]

Just do not say that now we have the most favorable conditions for increasing the birth rate! If the birth rate falls, then there is a reason for this.
I am not a demographer and not a sociologist to understand this. The smartest men are fighting this, but there is no result.

[The black]

Quote from Uncle Lee

The smartest men are fighting this, but there is no result.

The smartest men don't fight there! .... soft bed and hot beloved woman .... and the result will be!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Black

.and the result will be!

I totally agree with you!
But there are bores leading to the entire scientific base!

[Anarchist]

Volodya, , these are the devotees, do not pay attention! Or why such examples, I don’t understand ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Anarchist

Volodya, these are devotees, do not pay attention! Or why such examples, I don’t understand ..

And this is so that you do not bother people with different nonsense!

[Uncle lee]

I lived well and saw how many children were in families since the 50s and
how many now. Here are the conclusions.

[Victor N]

Do not rush to write, think carefully first.

[tomket]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

That is, in your opinion, the higher the welfare in the country, the greater the birth rate?

In our country, that’s it. Fertility has grown precisely as a response to support programs and to improving the economic situation.

[Mar.Tirah]

If you remember last week in an article on VO, there were different birth rate statistics. Everything was rosy, and in some places very much. Even for some reason, the Tomsk Region was beaten out in terms of birth rate and the dead? Where is the cancer mortality rate the highest in Siberia. When lied, then or now?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Mar. Tira

If you remember last week in an article on VO, there were other birth statistics.

So the article was propaganda, for GDP, the election is! And here Rosstat - dry boring numbers. By the way, this is not the first time that Rosstat has leveled the president’s big words

[The black]

Quote from Uncle Lee

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

here it was in the nineties below the plinth .... and now the generation has grown that was born in those years ...... everything is simple. Mathematics grade 5.

[Muvka]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

And why then in Germany the population decline? What, they have such a worthless welfare? In the United States, too, less is born than it dies. They have a population of immigrants kept.

[andrej-shironov]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

I will add more: fertility as an indicator of the anti-nationality of the current government.

[woron333444]

Power should go to the people, get into bed and help make children.

[andrej-shironov]

Nah, the current one is too impotent in business ...

[askort154]

Uncle Lee .... fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

Especially in Africa, Afghanistan .... India. And China even introduced a strict law - one family, one child. Greasy Europe, in general, is dying out, so Merkel opened the gate to many-born nations. Real statistics show that the wealthier the population, the lower the birth rate. The rich do not want to have many children, they need to devote more time to their beloved ones.

[Esoteric]

Quote: askort154

Especially in Africa, Afghanistan .... India. And China

There, people from clothes wear underpants and a T-shirt. And do not give us an example of a country where who lives and how, you compare the lives of Russian citizens.

Quote: askort154

The rich do not want to have many children, they need to devote more time to their beloved ones.

1. Leonid Michelson
Marital status, children: married, two children
2. Alexey Mordashov
Marital status, children: married, six children
3. Vladimir Lisin
Marital status, children: married, three children
http://www.forbes.ru/milliardery-photogallery/342
567-25-bogateyshih-biznesmenov-rossii-2017? Photo =
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[andrej-shironov]

And now what is this list for? They justify the thesis that more money, more children

[Esoteric]

Quote from Uncle Lee

fertility as an indicator of the growth of wealth in the country .....

Not so much wealth as security. After all, nobody wants to be on the street with his belongings and children in case (God forbid) the loss of a breadwinner? Thank you for the apartment doesn’t “do it”, and to “well done!” you can’t get a lot in the store. People are simply not sure that it will be this calm "TOMORROW".

[Hariton laptev]

The number of children born clearly shows the standard of living in the country and people's confidence in the future.

[Servisinzhener]

What is a good example of Western countries, Asian and African countries. Only he shows for some reason the opposite picture.

[Observer2014]

Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

Come on, grieve that. From Central Asia, they will bring Armenia. Fake FE will be issued. They will be an occasion to accept Russian citizenship. In Sochi, 99% of immigrants from Armenia will give zero for fake FE, they will receive citizenship. So compensate for the statistics. Young people in power Future generations will not be bored.

[scrap123]

Many themselves have nothing to eat, so children can not afford.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: scrap123

Many themselves have nothing to eat, so children can not afford.

World statistics suggests the opposite. In rich families with full income fewer children than the poor and hungry.

[Kent0001]

Here you have an assessment of the work of the authorities and the actual state of affairs in the country. This is a direct answer to the fact that sanctions help us and life has become better life has become more fun. The biggest problem in our society is the absolute insecurity of tomorrow. Therefore, many sane people even delay the birth of first-born, not to mention the second or third. Mostly breed from unseemly families.

[Muvka]

Are you serious? In your opinion, this matter depends on the state of affairs only on the authorities? And you don’t take that physically there is no one to give birth due to failure in the 90s? And as I understand it, things are shitty in Germany, because there is a natural population decline.

[Nasrat]

Have you been to Germany? And when?

[Muvka]

I have two sisters living there. AND?

[Nasrat]

How many children do they have? By the way, have you ever been there?

[Muvka]

No wasn `t. But what, I definitely need to be there to know about the standard of living and fertility?

[Nasrat]

I see ... no questions. But they never answered how many children your sisters have .. They are now swimming in luxury (compared to Russia) ... there must be at least 4 each ... heh heh .. or is there not enough denyushka ... and how many hours do they work? hehe ...

[Muvka]

on the 2nd. They left at the turn of the century. So the concept of "now" is not very applicable. But I do not understand what you want to prove to me. I say that the standard of living in Germany is good, but there is no birth rate there.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Muvka

I say that the standard of living in Germany is good, but there is no birthrate there.

In order to correspond to that standard of living - you won’t get many children ... salaries, as it is fashionable to say now for the middle class, are only enough from and to ... and God forbid what deviation (loss of work, illness) and the family "moves out" to social plan .. naturally they live not as an example to us - much richer, but all this costs much more ..
Uncle Vova brought us to this ... well, of course, the country smokes at its level ...

[woron333444]

My daughter-in-law and daughter gave birth when the country was under sanctions. Everyone works, everything is arranged.

[Mountain shooter]

And how many women in childbearing age? They already gave birth in the last year before last, and will not give birth for two years in a row. Nothing terrible happens. Till. Women in labor who shot back in 15-16 will also catch up.

[soldier]

Why shouldn’t it decline, the birth rate?
With such a socio-economic situation

[IL-18]

Come on! In Africa, dozens of women give birth to women. There is no money for contraceptives because of "such a socio-economic situation."

[soldier]

We are accustomed to a little more comfort than in Africa)

[IL-18]

Exactly! No contraception and abortion for sooooo big money.

[Sergeant71]

Scha "Poles" will come out and begin, "but in Ukraine ..."
And if without humor, then they will not begin to take real measures to improve the welfare of the young generation ..... a mortgage of not more than 3-4%, an increase in scholarships, grants and other payments not at a penny, but at times ... Real ( !!!!) free kindergartens and schools, and not the pre-trial extortion system, which they turn a blind eye to. A tough policy in relation to the largest food retail chains, which killed small and partly medium-sized businesses and push up prices as they like .... And closing the borders for labor migrants, bringing down the salary level for Russians. Until they begin to do this, we will continue to die out.

[Rurikovich]

Aha Right now !! The capitalists have already run to build socialism Hair straight develops behind your back from desire ....

Quote: Sergeant71

And if without humor, then they will not begin to take real measures to improve the welfare of the young generation ..... a mortgage of not more than 3-4%, an increase in scholarships, grants and other payments not at a penny, but at times ... Real ( !!!!) free kindergartens and schools, and not the pre-trial extortion system, which they turn a blind eye to. A tough policy in relation to the largest food retail chains, which killed small and partly medium-sized businesses and push up prices as they like .... And closing the borders for labor migrants, bringing down the salary level for Russians.

... Fiction in the 5th department ...

Quote: Sergeant71

Until they begin to do this, we will continue to die out.

"Seek out who benefits from this"

[Sergeant71]

This is not science fiction, but articles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. And if something does not comply with the basic law, then first and foremost do not drive the guarantor of this law with their rags. Capitalism and socialism have nothing to do with it. Do not confuse soft with warm.

[Rurikovich]

Quote: Sergeant71

And if something does not comply with the basic law, then first of all to drive the guarantor of this law with the rags

Come on!
Laws, the Duma writes, and she ... um ... elective ... People

Quote: Sergeant71

This is not fiction, but articles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

Constitution. say .... My cousin, having studied law, once said that for 50 sheets of the Criminal (and any) code there are always two volumes of 800 sheets each. Supplements, comments, exceptions and other husks that make possible and right things relative to the Criminal Code.
So with the Constitutions - do not believe what is declared, believe what has been done.

[Muvka]

Well, where is at least one comment about Ukraine? Only yours, the near you are ours.

[Sergeant71]

Because I mentioned this, I was ashamed to bear an eternal snowstorm in the style of "Sho there with the Ukrainians." I'm not yours, you mixed something up. Wake up.

[Simon]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

I agree! But they again climb into power!

[Redfox3k]

The main blame for all this, as I see it, is a decline in living standards in general. From 2014-2015, revenues grew somewhere by 12% -15%. And the prices in stores are 100% -150%. I do not take the figures from the ceiling, but I count personal incomes and real prices in a particular hypermarket near the house. Moreover, whatever one may say, it’s impossible to increase incomes; the situation in my sphere does not. If one thought about the second with his wife, daughter, 5 years old, now there is a pause, even to discuss this issue.

[Muvka]

And now I see that since 2014 prices have risen by 10-30%. Also not from the ceiling, but from personal experience. Maybe you're lying?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Muvka

But I see that since 2014 prices have risen by 10-30%

Tolyatti - packaging of sour cream "Tolyattimoloko" cost in 2014 38 rub, and now 68 rub. This is despite the fact that in the 14th she was 500gr, and now 400gr. Where is your 30%?
P.S. Remind me how much the eggs cost?

[Muvka]

Vichuga, chicken, as it cost 150 rubles per kg, in 2013, it costs 160 now. Pork as it cost 270-280, so it is now. A dozen eggs both cost 40-50, and it costs. Buckwheat, pasta, flour, bread grew by 10-15%. And there is such a thing as seasonal price fluctuations. For example, eggs for the new year are always more expensive - under 60-65 rubles. But fall by the summer. Maybe the same with sour cream?

[Ingvar 72]

You are partially right, the prices of some products really rose slightly. But you are wrong about the eggs, 40-50 rubles is now a substitute for eggs from chickens sitting on hormones and the like rubbish. Eggs cannot cost 40 rubles when the cost of feed has almost doubled since the 14th year. I know firsthand that we ourselves hold chickens, and the cost of a dozen eggs is more than 35 rubles. Plus shipping, extra charge. About the "village" pork on hormonal injections I know the same firsthand - from a friend's mother is engaged in breeding.

Quote: Muvka

Maybe the same with sour cream?

No. As milk grew by 100%, it remained. Accordingly, butter, cottage cheese, sour cream, too.

[woron333444]

Our chickens, on the contrary, have fallen in price to 110 r per kg, since they set up poultry plants.

[Mimoprohodil]

Quote: Muvka

Buckwheat

2014 - 22,32 2017 - 59,89. Is it 10-15%? I looked at Rosstat in the city of Kursk http://www.gks.ru/dbscripts/cbsd/dbinet.cgi?pl=19
21003

[tsvetkov1274]

in "Victory" is cheaper. in 18kv .... and so I agree

[Mimoprohodil]

How could prices rise by 10% if official inflation for 4 years was 30%?

[Muvka]

The products are full. They increased by 10% for products, and 50% for electronics and cars. Inflation - 30%. This is very rude, but I hope it is clear.

[The black]

Quote: Redfox3k

If one thought about the second with his wife, daughter, 5 years old, now there is a pause, even to discuss this issue.

Do not even think - SECOND MANDATORY! .... Daughters will be with whom to go along in life, who to rely on ....

[Redfox3k]

Thanks for the support! I hope that everything settles down and everything goes as it should!

[Simon]

Quote: dik-nsk

quite right, the few generation of the 90s grew up, and then it wasn’t up to the birth rate, they would have got s / n for the previous couple of years .. and the baby booms of the 80s have already "mostly hardened" their own

The upbringing of the young generation also depends. What the younger generation thinks about life is to walk while the young, and marital status, will wait.

[Archivist Vasya]

You are right - who has a walk, who has a career and travel, while others simply do not have money to support children or there is no separate housing. Here I have a cousin, he is 32 years old, he has been dating his girlfriend for 10 years, and they will only have a child this year.

[a housewife]

They wouldn’t "meet", but would marry normally, so the children would already be! The woman whom she’s been dating for 10 years is not sure of the “bridegroom”, who will wave her hand at any time, that’s why she does not give birth. Or gives birth already in despair - he wants a child already for anyone, or he hopes to bring a man to the wedding.

[Archivist Vasya]

And they got married last summer. Why so long? “Well, then one thing, then another,” the brother answered when I asked him.

[a housewife]

And when they love - nothing prevents!

[Alex66]

For a real increase in the birth rate, the inequality of the rights of men and women is needed. A man should work and his salary should be enough for his family, a woman should be engaged in household work and there is nothing bad, this is the same work and the state should pay for this work. You tell me where to get the money, so now the introduction of modern technologies will leave a bunch of people without work, redistribute income, let 1% of the rich not own 82% of wealth, but 60%, 50%. This is if you really want to solve the demographic problem.

[Antares]

Quote: Alex66

inequality of rights of man and woman

forget ... the economy will not let go of a woman as the main consumer. In addition, everyone was already involved - children, the elderly, symbiotic animals ...
There is either regression or migration ...
Now a white man is the most oppressed type of man. Women have more rights .... so inequality of rights and opportunities is greater.

[a housewife]

I wonder what rights do women have more?

[Archivist Vasya]

C'mon about the white man, you might think that blacks have a better life ...

[Monster_Fat]

Birth rate in the Russian Federation decreased by 10 percent

Yah? But recently in an article on "Putin's accomplishments in 18 years," the opposite was stated ...

[andrej-shironov]

Already not even a hunt to stomp on this fact! Yes, the people do not need the current government! From the word at all! All the steam goes only to populism, there is no concept!

[rocket757]

No concept?
Conscience, decency ..... shorter than zhl - society, if not something that is worse!

[andrej-shironov]

Well, this is by itself! I think there is a concept on the contrary ..... a concept to reduce the population of Russia.

[valek97]

Good day to all! Then on the Kaluga news I read that payments to women in labor come from maternity capital, so that all this is populism about payments. The point is to lose money one way or to pay for housing. Yes, and the situations are different, someone works for 15 thousand, someone works for 50, there is no housing, is there anyone to support and help? After all, the state does not help people in raising citizens. The queue for kindergartens in Kaluga is 1600 people and 300-400 places, and they are being created at a slow pace. school, etc. Medicine. Someone trite dies from a lack of medical care or its absence. After all, it is only in the cities that everything is fast and in the region they have been waiting for months. I’m silent about school. To learn a person is very expensive and the state does not provide proper education. about 90 thousand tutors cost me in Russian, Physics, Mathematics for the year 2014-15. So what do you want from the state of capital and slavery.

[Strashila]

So officially recognized the outflow of migrant workers ... so their women in labor were reflected and dumped in the camps.

[Dormidont]

Under the drunken bukhara, Yeltsin, the people died in the tens of millions per year, but our Western and Middle Eastern partners were satisfied

[tchoni]

When income is reduced it is very difficult to expect fertility from people.

[Muvka]

The lower the standard of living, the higher the birth rate, if that.

[Million]

Nothing! Putin’s elections will be held -and the birth rate will immediately increase)))

[The Siberian barber]

Already been on this subject ..
Fertility in the country is a direct reaction of the population to the social and economic situation in the country, and most importantly (in my opinion), to the prospects of this situation. So, you can’t wait for growth in the short term, especially ..
And here is "stability" - be it wrong!

[Herman 4223]

Without population growth, there will be no economic growth, the measures that are now being taken to increase the birth rate are nothing to talk about, here we must take this matter more seriously.

[The Siberian barber]

These "measures" are more like profanity
Mortgage - in memory.
But you can’t say that nothing is being done

[Fox]

the country's wildest unemployment ... salaries are therefore ridiculous.
further, vaccination with gardasil or some garbage, a significant blow to the birth rate. There are plenty of infertile girls (info from the head doctor of one of the Togliatti hospitals).
Well, the propaganda of Jewish TV.
and yes, they wrote about the village correctly, they killed the village ... now, however, young people (well, youth ... after 30 ...) started to arrive, but there is no work, the most interesting thing is that of land, meadows no ... everything became someone’s. so children who have moved have children (two very small, older ones themselves already live).

[Servisinzhener]

And how is vaccination against papilloma which is not on the list of mandatory, and which can be done only separately for money. (in the Krasnodar vaccination center costs more than 7000r). Dramatically reduced the birth rate in Russia?
The village in the form that was in the beginning of the 20th century will never be, because with the current level of mechanization, not so many people are needed. Not the amount of manual labor that was before.

[Archivist Vasya]

As the article arrived on time, on January 27th they wrote, “How Ukrainians are doing badly with the birth rate,” and here it’s a little better. More truth and more often.
My friends from school and from the institute are not in a hurry with this issue either, there are about 30 of them and four children for this number. Age from 23 to 28.

[Muvka]

We still have more births than deaths. But in Ukraine - on the contrary.

[Archivist Vasya]

It’s by itself, but we don’t have a civil war. Yes, and the Old World is dying, too, has long been known. And I mean the indigenous population without migrants / refugees and the like.

[Muvka]

The war that in the Dobass is 10000 - 15000 dead in 4 years. For the scale of the country - this is a penny.

[Archivist Vasya]

It's not just the victims of the war, but rather the fact that it is on. Again - there is no confidence in the future, on this issue we have a close position with Ukraine. And so, with the right and smart reforms, we’ll go to + or stabilize. At the moment, this is simply not critical, and therefore there is no sensible progress as it seems to me.

[Nemesis]

Here they are the consequences of anti-people’s health care reforms from Putin and his gifts to Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan to the detriment of Russia! Ukraine alone was given more than $ 3 billion. Russia needs a patriot of Russia, not Chubais’s friends in the Kremlin!

[Muvka]

Lord, how can one connect the failure of the birth rate in the 90s, because of which now there is a pit for girls 24-25 years old, and health care reforms? By the way, we have one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world. This is an indicator of reform.

[Nemesis]

It’s sad that it didn’t occur to you that for a child to be born, people need health, a roof over their heads, a decent stable income ... And today the sick-list is closed not because the person was cured, but because the time for his treatment established by people whose desire to lead Russia is excessively ahead of their professional abilities!

[Muvka]

For the birth of a child, first and foremost and most importantly, a woman of childbearing age is needed. And because of the low birth rate of the 90s, there are very few. And about health and the roof, you tell the African countries. Or India.

[Svarog]

Quote: Muvka

For the birth of a child, first of all, and most importantly, a woman is needed

In fact, two men and a woman are required without fail. Women do not want to give birth without a husband. And without a man they just won’t succeed. Biology Grade 8))

Quote: Muvka

And because of the low birth rate of the 90s, there are very few.

Could more specifically how many women in Russia are from 18 to 45 years old? What does it mean a little))?

Quote: Muvka

And about health and the roof, you tell the African countries. Or India.

Do you know that we are not far from Africa in terms of per capita income?

[Muvka]

Well, bring evidence that we are not far from Africa gone. I'm waiting.

[Svarog]

Quote: Muvka

Well, bring evidence that we are not far from Africa gone. I'm waiting.

You have not yet reasonably answered my questions ..

[Svarog]

Quote: Muvka

Well, bring evidence that we are not far from Africa gone. I'm waiting.

http://investorschool.ru/spisok-stran-po-vvp-na-d
ushu-naseleniya-2016 check out, Gabon is a little ahead and this is in 2016, and now I'm afraid in general in the opera of the world ..

[Muvka]

You compare PPP. In Europe, there is more GDP per capita, but there the prices are 2-3 times higher than ours. I do not nafig naked GDP.

[faiver]

about Africa and India - yes a lot is born, the question is how much do they survive?

[Servisinzhener]

There is another factor that is not taken into account here, the number of divorces for 50 percent.

[a housewife]

I would have thought of something else. Those who receive money for adopted children, for custody, etc. - the better the parents who raise their own children? It’s just that you don’t have to pay mothers benefits, but a salary for each child, albeit at least the minimum! And not up to 1,5 years, but up to 18 years. You might think that after a year and a half the child no longer needs anything. And the reasoning is different - let mom go to work! And where is the child - yes in the nursery, of course! Medvedev overlooked - urgently need more nurseries! Mom must work! We come back to the beginning. My sisters were born, I was 9 years old. Our grandmother just retired, and I'm at the same time as a nanny. Because the decree was three months. And in the 90s, they sang to us in all ears - sitting with a child is healthy for mom, because no institution can educate and love like mom! And the kindergartens were worth - hoo! My salary for two children was not enough, it was cheaper not to work. A place in the kindergarten - 160 thousand, for two - 320. Plus for travel, for flowers, matinees, for paint albums, but that's all! And the salary is 300 thousand.

[Komynist]

Yes, what kind of nineties you look around the people just do not have confidence in the future. Ordinary people work and do not know whether they will be provided with normal work and normal earnings. Children's benefits are ridiculous.

[faiver]

I completely agree...

[pavelpavel]

Domestic policy or dual power: the Moscow Region, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Culture, the Russian Guard and partially blocked Federal Law 230 law enforcement agencies on the presidential side and the Cabinet of Ministers with the Central Bank under the World Pahans on the other.
The first pillar - the Federal Personnel Reserve - such as the traffic police, only grants the right to manage without the necessary practices and provides incompetent managers to government positions: the Head of the Cabinet of Ministers, the Central Bank, the Economic Development Ministry and further, with the growth of man-made disasters. We can say serial killings.
The second pillar is the Presidential Administration, which has made Santa Claus the head of state, the activity of which is aimed at destroying the constitutional order and causing a social explosion: microfinance organizations with collector agencies, not creating jobs for banks at state expense, but their reduction, the destruction of mental health and education nation by a psychotropic taste enhancer, for fetal acts on the likeness of Zika fever virus

[Seraphimamur]

That's right: "it is necessary to change the attitudes and lifestyle of people." Watch TV and you will not want to give birth.

[Pavil144]

Correctly someone wrote that the way of life has changed. For example, there were 10 children in the family. The boys helped the father with the housework of the daughter, helped the mother with the housework and with the youngest children. It was easier for the parents themselves to part of the worries on older children. So they lived. Now the majority live in cities of concern less has become- work, home. No household. And there was a farm - hens of a cow, a pig, etc., and there was something to eat and drink your milk and eat meat. Now everyone is buying.

[Anatoly Dobry]

In Russia, according to official statistics, the average salary is 35-36 tr. With this money, it will actually turn out to contain only one child. With a total homeownership budget of 70-75 tr keep three children vryatli succeed.
Let me explain why.
Drawing such conclusions, I am not saying that the family will starve to death. For food, at least it will be enough.
On clothes, too, a little left.
But at the same time, you can forget that the family will be able to afford housing that will meet the standards adopted in Russia. The exceptions are those cases when housing was purchased before the birth of children or inherited from my grandmother. In the presence of children and the income that I designated, to buy an apartment is not realistic from the word at all.
The next moment, a car. Agree, with three offspring in the modern world anywhere without a car. At the same time, I want a comfortable car, so that a family of two adults and three children does not have to drive closely and sit comfortably. Barguzin and UAZ loaf will not fall under the conditions of comfort and safety. All that remains is the steering wheel with which the state is actively fighting. BU Europe in Siberia can not afford such an income.
Now about benefits and perks. With an average living wage in the country of 10 tr (deliberately do not take into account the main throne) we get that a family of five with an income of 75 tr, exceeds this very minimum of 1,5 times. That is, about the benefits, in this case, you can forget. State bodies consider only revenues, obligatory payments (expenses) are not taken into account.
All demographic policies pursued in the country are nothing more than a farce. Having three children, working honestly with an average salary and living well without knowing the needs is NOT POSSIBLE.
Now I consciously do not take into account families with five or more children. This is a separate category, so of course a low bow, but for such families, small-town bureaucrats will find everything, especially if you go and demand.
It seems that conscious work is underway to undermine the demographic situation, or in other words, genocide but in its latent form, that is, those who spend it do not set themselves the goal of quickly exterminating the population.
And if we reconcile the crisis in the fields of education and medicine, then the plan to bring a person to the level of a simple animal that has not lived for a long time and clearly maintains its population at the required level is clearly visible. A kind of Indians.
Those who can afford treatment and education abroad form a new elite that generates cultural and material values ​​and lives long and in abundance. The rest, who cannot afford the normal level of medicine and education, consume these values ​​and do not live very long. Ideally, they die at work.

[nikowolf]

To the point and nothing to add.

[Beby]

There is such a "Medal of the Order" Parental Glory "."
As far as I know, it can be obtained when the 4th child reaches the age of 3, .. but only as part of the family.
The problem you indicated is:

Quote: Anatoly Good

Now about benefits and perks. With an average living wage in the country of 10 tr (deliberately do not take into account the main throne) we get that a family of five with an income of 75 tr, exceeds this very minimum of 1,5 times. That is, about the benefits, in this case, you can forget. State bodies consider only revenues, obligatory payments (expenses) are not taken into account.

leads to the fact that parents are forced to divorce (!) and leave all children (according to documents) with their mother. Then, suddenly, it turns out that an incomplete family falls under all the benefits / subsidies ... because according to the documents, in fact, they are rogues, without any income.
Naturally, in most cases, this divorce is only a formality fixed in the documents - otherwise there are no benefits or subsidies.
However, the extremely low number issued by the “Medal of the Order“ Parental Glory ”" is a vivid indicator of the number of families who went for this method of obtaining benefits.

PS I learned about this method of obtaining benefits / subsidies from a large family, .. which, exactly, would have got such a medal if they had not had to formally divorce, because otherwise, they did not expect any noticeable payments from the state.

[Pavil144]

Now they propose a law if they have been cohabiting for 5 years or have a joint child, then this will be considered an official marriage. Like so.

[Beby]

There will be a law - we will discuss.
In the meantime, there is nothing to discuss: for a substantive discussion it is necessary to know exactly the procedural procedure for recognizing such a “marriage”.

Perhaps, due to the registration of a divorce, it will be possible to move out that "he was seeing the children." As a responsible father, I spent every day, but the reason for the divorce was “my wife didn’t like it”, and since I “didn’t like it”, then there was no cohabitation. Children are not to blame for the fact that adults have "dispersed."

[prior]

Yes .... Medvedev and Putin are clearly underdeveloped ....
The father asks the grown-up married son: “When will you finally make me a grandfather?” He replies: “Sorry, Dad, everything doesn’t reach my hands.” - "Son, this is not the main thing in this business!"

[Zomanus]

Housing needed. Affordable and where there will be confidence that you will not be thrown out with a child into the street.
Now the topic of state rental housing is developing is very good.
Even though I rent housing from the state, there I am at least sure of stability.
Still need support in terms of medicine and education.
Plus, ideology should be aimed at breeding and a strong family,
and not just blocks anywhere and with anyone.

[Shahno]

The topic is interesting. It consists of several aspects. In my understanding, I’ll write them down for decreasing importance:
1. Understanding the importance of the family as a means to increase self-satisfaction and sufficiency. Understanding that the number of offspring and the quality of their life leads to the extension of your genus in the future is more likely. Social mentality supported by the state and religion.
2. Actually the quality of life in society today. The effectiveness of health care, medicine, education. Including, with the support and control of the state (the state should have a control package.
3. Stability and reliability of the economic situation, steady growth. Which leads to confidence in the future.
P. S Max. The number of children in Israel is not Arabs, but among Orthodox Jews, on average, more than 6 per family.

[Servisinzhener]

Totally agree with you. Plus. In religious families, for some reason, as a rule, Jewish orthodoxy and Orthodox are not much different. But the level of divorce in such people is minimal. Which suggests that the material part is of course important, but the fact that in people’s head is no less important. And when there is only pleasure for oneself in oneself and egocentrism elevated to absolute, falling asleep with money will only aggravate the situation.

[fa2998]

Quote: Black

The legacy of the nineties comes to light. What is happening with demography now was laid down by shit and liberals when they came to power in the nineties.

Yes, what do you remember the years 80-90. People simply do not want to create poverty. All these maternal capital, benefits up to 1,5 years are a penny. All the beautiful salary figures are bullshit. Some have billions. Others have no food enough, we have another psychology, no CONFIDENCE IN TOMORROW, such a birth rate

[Sling cutter]

Golovan Jack,
It’s a pity that there are no minuses, and rubbing with you ..., We lost a Friend yesterday, and you are so ..........

[andrej-shironov]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: andrej-shironov

Yes, despite the fact that you are cloned as a carbon copy with him

Nephew, yes I am stealing a miracle in your feathers

Quote: andrej-shironov

You two now grow up, and better than three

So now we are raising three grandchildren, you are a weak singer.

Quote: andrej-shironov

Uncle accused you of lying, because I am no longer young and at 90 I plowed with might and main!

Plowed tongue As you breach here, you are a middle-aged boy.

Quote: housewife

Golovan! It turns out I am your team !!!

Of course our team Irina

And merged! Uncle, so you grow 6 grandchildren for 3 people, and I am alone, because my wife is on maternity leave! Feel the difference as they say! The same Hollow as Golovan!