Rogozin is entangled in the web of state defense order

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Once again, the heavy excitement of the state defense order was stuck in the stinging quagmire of Russian reality. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin reported this slip to top management, stating that the dates for concluding the 100% of state defense order contracts for 2012 would have to be postponed from April to the more distant date. Earlier it was planned that it would be mid-April that will be the time when the Russian Ministry of Defense and arms manufacturers in Russia will conclude all the contracts for the supply of new types weaponsand these contracts themselves will be systematically implemented in the near future.

However, the implementation of the state defense order-2012 is again out of the question, because they cannot bring their accounting systems to acceptable values ​​either in the defense ministry or in production associations - according to the Government, they cannot reach an acceptable pricing formula.

Dmitry Rogozin said that the most depressing situation is observed in areas such as aircraft manufacturing and the naval complex. It turns out that the money allocated from the state budget is once again depressingly lying in the accounts of the Ministry of Defense and can in no way be used. And if so, then the situation from the time when President Medvedev promised to “dismiss bundles” for disrupting the state defense order (last fall) did not get off the ground. However, Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees this industry, says that some progress in the implementation of the rearmament of the Russian army still takes place and the state defense order-2012 is embodied "as a whole more positively" than GOZ-2011.

What, then, prevents enterprises from starting a profitable job? Maybe outdated equipment? So here it is worth recalling that for the next three years, the state sent nearly 0,5 trillion rubles out of the treasury in order to re-equip the defense enterprises themselves to increase the level of their performance. This is the first. Secondly, the state is actually directly (we will not consider the Ministry of Defense as an intermediary between the federal budget and production workers) to finance production associations, providing those with long-term orders, increasing the number of jobs and raising wages. But if so, for what purpose, do performers begin to wrangle with the Ministry about the “lack of funds”? One gets the impression that someone continues to lead Russian taxpayers by the nose, saying that the parties, you see, cannot agree with each other.

But after all, if the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in fact produced full-fledged financing of production facilities and personnel employed at these facilities, then what inconvenience could we talk about? After all, it is no secret that without a state defense order, many of the enterprises with which the military department intends to enter into contracts, to put it mildly, do not have such financial potential to dictate terms to their customers. Well, no, unfortunately, we have a full-scale competition on the industrial market, when it was possible to choose a performer from a group of customers, and a customer from an army of performers. It turns out that contracts are not concluded for subjective reasons. And there can be several such subjective reasons. This is either the notorious corruption, or a banal reluctance to engage in serious work, or, which is very likely, both the first and second.

A few months ago, we were asked to clarify this option: it’s just that Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov cannot cope with the state defense order. This allegedly distracts him from reforming the army. To revive the situation with the signing of contracts, an entire deputy prime minister was appointed - Dmitry Rogozin. Today it turns out that for the phased implementation of plans for the rearmament of the Armed Forces, this may not be enough. Are we expecting the creation of a new ministry, which will deal exclusively with the realization of the GOZ? .. The perspective is more than doubtful.

But if neither Serdyukov nor Rogozin can move the wagon from the dead point, then either you need to add a third to them, which also cannot guarantee serious progress (judging by I.Krylov's fable), or leave one and ask only one . After all, as you know, in our country this is the case: if several people are responsible for the cause, then no one is responsible for the cause. Guilt will shift from one person to another, as long as the venture just do not give up.

Of course, one can say that Rogozin did not justify the hopes placed on him, but such conclusions are too premature. Not such a long time, he deals with this sore problem, to solve everything overnight. Yes, and having begun his way briskly in the Government, Dmitry Rogozin, obviously, did not expect that in the sphere of realization of the state defense order he would have to literally wade through sabotage and unravel openly corrupt schemes. If the system is tied up with big money, which is profitable for someone to scroll through the accounts, then even the vice-premier status may not help. Why are there vice premier? We can have presidential decrees on the brakes ... Apparently, today for Rogozin comes some hour X, when "either he or him." And it is obvious that if the epic continues with the postponement of the state defense order, then the words about 23 trillions planned for the implementation of plans for the full modernization of the Russian army to 2020 can remain words on beautiful stamp paper.
Maybe May 7 will give some impetus to the parties who, you know, are not ready to agree ...
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  1. Igor
    +10
    April 17 2012 07: 42
    Again oboros..lisya, it is already becoming nat. tradition, for almost five years this reform has been going on, and as a result, one zilch comes out !!!
    1. +12
      April 17 2012 07: 51
      It’s not enough just to voice the problem, you need to solve it.
      1. Igor
        +6
        April 17 2012 08: 03
        They still can’t even order a normal uniform, and what’s going on with weapons is generally a disaster.
        1. Flight Recorder
          +11
          April 17 2012 15: 26
          A series of indicative executions with the confiscation of property from relatives, and so every half a year for prevention, the system will work like a clock. But since the former Soviet officials built this system and all the levers are in their hands, they will not touch themselves. The impasse of the situation is obvious .
          1. +3
            April 17 2012 20: 39
            Quote: Flight Recorder
            A number of indicative executions with confiscation of property from relatives, and so every half a year for prevention and the system will work like clockwork

            The old problem of Russia. It becomes clear why Ivan the Terrible created the Oprichnina ... Boyars snickered around. Serve themselves, not the state.
      2. Inzhengr
        +18
        April 17 2012 08: 27
        Rogozin at least does not say that everything in the industry is "fluffy and curly", he does not conceal the problems. Although we notice that his fighting fervor has cooled down ...
        1. +11
          April 17 2012 09: 16
          it means that he understood WHERE he was "pushed" and begins to guess WHY ... laughing
          1. +13
            April 17 2012 09: 40
            It is always difficult to break the system, no matter what authority you have.
            1. +3
              April 17 2012 10: 19
              suppose building on the wreckage is then no easier ... wink
              1. +8
                April 17 2012 10: 54
                Well, don’t tell me, sometimes it’s easier to rebuild everything.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +11
                  April 17 2012 13: 54
                  Quote: urzul
                  sometimes it’s easier to rebuild everything.


                  +! Only now the material from which it was possible to rebuild everything has practically dried up !!!

                  Now all the economists, managers, marketers and others, others, others, but engineers and specialists are not destiny, since nobody needs them. There are naked enthusiasts and patriots of their country, but there are only a few of them!
                  1. +4
                    April 17 2012 17: 56
                    an engineer can be discharged from behind a cardon. but there is nowhere to get a skilled worker, he must be trained, and this is not one year. and in general, what’s the problem, what kind of fashion is it to solve everything with a kondachka, swoop, we’ll update the entire army until 20 years old, and then, again, let everything go by chance?
                    you just need a constant forward movement, increasing the volumes of both specialists and military orders. and of course the directors of defense plants should sit, not all but half for sure.
                    1. wall
                      -2
                      April 17 2012 21: 47
                      But swoops and kondachki are the legacy of the USSR. We will catch up and overtake, we will provide for the five-year period, we will build socialism in 30 years. This is all from there.
            2. VAF
              VAF
              +6
              April 17 2012 13: 50
              Quote: urzul
              It's always hard to break a system


              Absolutely accurately noticed, +! That's only in our country, this SYSTEM (built for decades) is simply impossible to break it !!!
              Because it is a SYSTEM !!!

              And no matter how great our desire, striving, hopes for a brighter future, everything will ultimately rest on one property. A feeder and slogans about "the national heritage of the people" !!!

              That's just where it is, and where the people are !!
              1. +1
                April 18 2012 02: 35
                Quote: veteran.air force
                it is IMPOSSIBLE to break it !!! Because it is a SYSTEM !!!


                just do not exaggerate ... everything can be done quickly enough, if there is political will ... look at the oligophrenic face of Medvedev and ask the question: does he have a will at all? .. I personally have great doubts ...
            3. 0
              April 17 2012 20: 43
              Quote: urzul
              It is always difficult to break the system, no matter what authority you have.

              Radical action required. Peter 1 for example, solved the problem by creating a new, one might say alternative nobility, chicks of Petrov’s nest.
          2. Odinplys
            -1
            April 18 2012 01: 56
            Stalin’s methods ... it’s time to apply ... there is no way out ... They will not understand otherwise bureaucrats ...
        2. wall
          +15
          April 17 2012 09: 34
          This is the battle fervor of some members of the forum cooled down. But what about: Hooray, hooray! Rogozin will tear them all! I respect Dmitry Olegovich and his father very much, but it’s not as easy as it sometimes seems. These Augean stables have to be raked for years, but how Hercules Rogozin cannot do it is not the time.
          1. -3
            April 17 2012 10: 20
            such a "hot water bottle" for this tuzik is too tough ... laughing
          2. +2
            April 17 2012 20: 09
            Yes times! It seems that the year of the Moscow Region money scrolls, and then the plant management a year, well, and then, probably, the products will appear. It is necessary for people to build houses, to learn children, to attach in life, otherwise rearmament will end, and the moment will be missed.
          3. Wolkin
            +3
            April 18 2012 13: 28
            These Augean stables need to be raked for years.

            This is how many horses through these stables, all of which some 20 years have passed, that they managed to spoil this way? Or there are not many horses, but the performance of these horses is fantastic. Portraits would look at these phenomena. At any stud farm, elite images are always prominently displayed.
          4. Vasilii
            +1
            April 18 2012 19: 36
            And the times are not the same and Rogozin is far from Hercules. Actually, the river cleared the Augean stables, and Hercules built a dam (directed the river in the right direction). In our country, who today can direct life in the right direction? Maybe Dmitry Anatolyevich or Ksenia Sobchak or someone else from the national "leaders" and spokesmen for people's thoughts and aspirations ... It's funny, sad and offensive at the same time.
        3. VAF
          VAF
          +9
          April 17 2012 13: 47
          Quote: Engineering
          Although we notice that the fighting fervor cooled him ...


          Still, some respected members of the forum would have tempered their ardor in their statements on opinions that run counter to their "propaganda and fanfare slogans about 1200 new aircraft, etc."

          In general, it would be wonderful to communicate then !!!
        4. +5
          April 17 2012 14: 17
          Engineer what, nafig, problems !!! There is only one problem - corruption !!! No options. Rollbacks reach 30% !!! I'm not kidding - 30 !!! Do you know the old joke: "We got 100 rubles to build ships,
          93 rubles walked, pro ...
          The remaining 7 rubles cannot be used to build ships! "
          Everything remains as it was. Rogozin is a good man, competent, but as in an old joke: "... two grenades, one German tank - and the title of Hero of the Soviet Union posthumously!"
        5. freedom
          0
          April 17 2012 19: 05
          There you see so wound that you can’t figure it out for the five-year period! Rogozin in the defense industry needs his own dedicated, competent team, and a year to analyze the rubble, only then draw conclusions.
        6. VIKING
          +1
          April 17 2012 21: 47
          Quote: Engineering
          Rogozin does not at least say that everything in the industry is "fluffy and curly", problems are not hushed up.

          Yah? No. Is not Rogozin FORBIDDEN in all the media to talk about problems in the army in general, and technical problems with Russian weapons in particular !? am
      3. Odinplys
        0
        April 18 2012 01: 52
        Sabotage ... treason to the Motherland ...
        It can tellingly shoot ... a couple of identified ... Zionists ... Since the time is now for Russia ... almost military ...
        1. I AM FROM ODESSA
          0
          April 18 2012 02: 32
          Quote: OdinPlys
          It can exponentially shoot ... a couple of identified ... Zionists ..

          And you know, young man, that only two Zionists, for the rest of humanity will bring benefits [/ b] more than two billion Islamists! And vice versa! - Two - only - TWO, Islamists are worse than two billion Zionistoffs. Think about it ... Urya ...
          Where would humanity be in its development, if in the 9th - 11th century BC. the whole world would have been conquered by the Muslims! Yes, until now, humanity would not know the scientific and technological achievements that were known by that time to Europeans, and maybe the Chinese and Indians. And for those who squeal about the greatness of the "Russian empire", I am ready to report that, for example, the future Russia was ruled by the Mongols, the Varangians, the Germans, the Caucasians, the Chinese, - El-Tsyn - for example ... It's sad, but. request
      4. 0
        April 18 2012 15: 31
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        It’s not enough just to voice the problem, you need to solve it.


        all you need is to shoot a couple of officials from the Moscow Region ... live ... all problems will be solved as if by magic ... it even turns out that they never happened ...
    2. Dimitrxnumx
      +6
      April 17 2012 08: 01
      It is necessary to react toughly to any delays and delays and, if necessary, just dismiss the responsible officials in batches, or send especially zealous ones to "rest", otherwise you have lit parasites, you will drive them away from the fig trough.
      1. Sergh
        +28
        April 17 2012 09: 09
        The American, Hindu and Russian got to Hell. Met them Damn and says:
        - To everyone who gets here, I give a chance to go to Paradise.
        And pulls out a healthy whip (bigger than Garpison Ford in The Last
        cruise "):
        - Who endures three blows without stopping - let go! You can defend yourself than
        want to.
        The first was the American.
        - What do you want to defend?
        The American took a healthy granite stone:
        - I'm ready!
        The devil swung for the first time and ... a stone to pieces. The second time - and
        the American screamed like mad ...
        “Next,” he says.
        It turns out the Indian.
        - What are you going to defend?
        - Nothing! - the Indian answers, - I have been doing yoga for 80 years, and in meditation
        the body does not feel pain!
        - Okay.
        First strike. Hindu: - Oshsh ...
        Second hit. Hindu: - Oshsh ...
        Third beat. Hindu: - Oshsh ...
        - Wow. # Yours ... No one has ever sustained three hits. says the hell. - Well
        well, you are free, you can safely go to Paradise.
        “No,” says the Hindu, “I want to stay and take a look.” In all the jokes
        Russians win. I want to see how he does it this time.
        - Okay, stay. Well, what do you think to defend yourself? - hell is drawn to
        Russian.
        - How to defend yourself - an Indian, of course ...
        1. 916-th
          +7
          April 17 2012 09: 39
          Is Rogozin an Indian in the hands of Serdyukov? am
          1. 0
            April 17 2012 10: 23
            we'll see who is who, when the "whip-fighter" starts harassing him ... wink
          2. +3
            April 17 2012 13: 39
            But if neither Serdyukov nor Rogozin can move the cart from a dead point, it means either you need to add a third to them, which also cannot guarantee serious progress (judging by the fable of I.A. Krylov). It is clear that Rogozin is running and scampering But it’s necessary to understand that he will be raking this stuff for about a hundred years. They put Serdyukov so that he would eradicate corruption in the army. They didn’t put a military man, because it was thought nothing would come of it. Serdyukov was tired of everything, so he was just hanging around Rogozin and sorting through the paper. at least a dozen inexperienced people will pull the cart in different directions. People need to work like Rogozin. Each will take on a separate structure. And in the min. mine of defense led by TABURETKINM. It works very badly, like GOLIKOVA from MINZDRAV and FURSENKO from the MINISTRY OF EDUCATION! In TOMSK, WE CAN’T CONSTRUCT IT UNDER THE END BECAUSE of the military enlistment office, they don’t let it down, the city has allocated a place for the new building, the MAYOR CALLED MOSCOW personally requested. THE DEFENSE MINISTERS WERE NOT REFUSED AND AGREED. SEND US WHERE FURTHER. FEELING THAT THE DEFENSE MINISTERS ARE LITTLE UNLITTERED WORKERS. We do not need to rotate personnel, but do a total cleaning.
            1. -2
              April 17 2012 18: 01
              old song la la, aren't you tired?
        2. 755962
          +5
          April 17 2012 09: 56
          A fairy tale about a white bull ... It seems that there are no adequate financial managers left .. Some. If there is a problem, then there is a "problem-maker" and this very hare has a name .. But not a single one has been pulled up on the yard yet.
          1. +5
            April 17 2012 11: 02
            Quote: 755962
            .. It seems that there are no adequate financial managers left.


            Why are they very “adequate” financiers in a speculative financial market? Who would refuse from them such a huge amount not to "scroll" in commercial banks for a small percentage for several months (the state defense order will wait) and put the interest in the pocket of his beloved. The same story happened with the payment of February increased salaries to servicemen. Moreover, the same Sberbank, being a subsidiary of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, is in no way controlled by the state, and Mr. Gref, who heads it earlier, had a specific hand in the collapse of the domestic military-industrial complex and the aviation industry in particular. Nothing other than sabotage of the "untouchable" let us hope for the time being a pro-American "the establishment in the Russian leadership "this situation cannot be explained.
            1. pepper
              +12
              April 17 2012 12: 11
              And this, friends, is CORRUPTION in its most perverted form! This is the result of many years of work "in the galleys" of one very well-known figure! ... Not Navalny, not Kasparov, and not even Nemtsov lol guess who? This is for all of you and idlers who dared to criticize the tsar-father, this is for you the claims to a multipolar world, this is for all of you the "decaying" West, this is for you the country-leader of some "ODKB" and much more ... When will we all finally sober up, figuratively of course? ... Yes
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            April 17 2012 13: 58
            Quote: 755962
            But not a single one on the yoke has been pulled up.


            +! So who are their own, and even in the rey?

            They will deliver it to the honored, and in its place a ready-made substitute is just the thing and now there!

            And how to finally make it clear to people that the fish is rotting from the head, not from the tail !!!
            1. Misha
              +1
              April 17 2012 21: 57
              Quote: veteran.air force
              make it clear to people that the fish rots from the head, not from the tail !!!

              But the fish is cleaned from the tail ... and the head is not always cut off at the same time.
        3. karlos
          +3
          April 17 2012 12: 56
          Quote: Sergh
          - How to defend yourself - an Indian, of course ...

          as I understand it, GDP is Russian, Rogozin is an Indian
    3. VAF
      VAF
      +4
      April 17 2012 13: 44
      Quote: Igorek
      Again oboros..lisya, it is already becoming nat. tradition, already by


      You grow up before our eyes !!! +!
      1. wall
        +1
        April 17 2012 21: 53
        All children are growing up. But others appear instead.
    4. +1
      April 18 2012 02: 32
      Quote: Igorek
      , and as a result, the output is one zilch !!!


      Well, why "zilch"? ... while there are bickering between customers and manufacturers, a lot of money lies in banks on deposits ... interest drips on them ... every day ... so the output is not zilch, but rather tangible profit ...
    5. +1
      April 18 2012 13: 35
      Quote: Igorek
      already becomes nat. tradition

      There are periods in history when one country experiences serious problems. This does not mean that it has always been this way, and that the nation has always been unsuccessful. For example, Germany before the unification was also not particularly good - and Napoleon beat the Prussians completely. And the term "German quality "in certain periods of history, it was not at all synonymous with quality, accuracy and reliability, but rather the opposite.
  2. patriot2
    +1
    April 17 2012 07: 51
    I think the furniture maker is trying his best to serve .. Rogozin. He himself failed more than once.
    1. +4
      April 17 2012 07: 56
      No, he goes the simplest way, he simply doesn’t do anything.
  3. +12
    April 17 2012 07: 58
    Everyone thought Rogozin would come and within 15 minutes would fix the whole industry. It’s not like that. at best 3-4 years, and even if everything goes like clockwork
    1. 0
      April 18 2012 15: 38
      Quote: Edge_KMV
      It’s not like that. at best 3-4 years, and even if everything goes like clockwork



      something tells me that at the time of Joseph Wissarionovich, it would take 3-4 minutes to solve the problem ... what years? what are you speaking about?....
  4. +4
    April 17 2012 08: 04
    The workers of the defense enterprises must demand (including through strikes) the immediate conclusion of contracts from their "leaders", who apparently want to put as much as possible in their personal pockets! People need work, they need new equipment, they need a salary, and managers bargain out of their own selfish interests! A SHAME TO CAPITALISM AND THE "MARKET" !! The security of the state suffers. It's time for the scarecrow Medvedev to realize his threats to deal with the saboteurs!
    1. +2
      April 17 2012 18: 06
      have you read these contracts, are you literate? all contracts are now "urgent" for periods ranging from six months to a year. what will you demand with such a contract? if only a new place of work. I don't go on vacation for three years because of these fucking contracts. the office changes its name every half a year.
      1. -2
        April 18 2012 17: 52
        You are probably very competent, so you don’t even understand what kind of contracts we are talking about! And since you don’t understand what is going to polemicize with you ?!
        1. 0
          April 19 2012 18: 25
          hiking clearer. and I read what is written.
          Workers of defense enterprises must demand (including through strikes) the immediate conclusion of contracts
  5. +4
    April 17 2012 08: 19
    In the military-industrial complex, over the years, such a bureaucracy has been thrown up and such a web has been spun - you can't figure it out without half a liter. So there will be no "fast and high quality".
  6. 916-th
    +11
    April 17 2012 08: 19
    Quote:
    Apparently, today Rogozin comes a certain hour X, when "either he or him"

    That's right - it's not about an individual person, Rogozin, let him be full of good intentions. He is opposed by a gigantic corruption colossus that has grown over 20 years and has taken root in both departments, the Ministry of Defense and the military-industrial complex. The meaning of its existence is the assimilation and "development" of financial flows "to the left." What is the efficiency of a steam locomotive - 20%? It is from this indicator that one should proceed when assessing the effectiveness of the development of 23 trillion. state defense order.

    Before you pour in colossal amounts, you need to thoroughly clean the structures themselves. Otherwise, it will be the struggle of Don Quixote with windmills.
  7. Atlon
    +8
    April 17 2012 08: 30
    Give Rogozin more authority! Moreover, the powers of a repressive nature! I am sure he will be able to restore order.
    1. 916-th
      +9
      April 17 2012 08: 46
      There is safety in numbers. We need a specialized anti-corruption government committee with direct subordination to the president. That is to give him all the necessary powers to combat corruption.
      1. wall
        +3
        April 17 2012 09: 37
        The committee will not work. Other clans will not allow it.
        1. 916-th
          +3
          April 17 2012 10: 12
          Wall, the question is to what extent the GDP of the previous 12 years has matured and gone beyond the dependence of these clans. It seems that this is a question of questions, if, of course, it is assumed that he himself is not “planned.”
          1. wall
            +7
            April 17 2012 10: 30
            GDP is clearly represented by one of the clans, but as the first person of the state, it is obliged to take into account its interests and not forget about the interests of others, otherwise there will be problems.
      2. karlos
        +3
        April 17 2012 13: 02
        Quote: 916
        There is safety in numbers. We need a specialized anti-corruption government committee with direct subordination to the president. That is to give him all the necessary powers to combat corruption.

        guardsmen? and then another committee to control them, a parallel vertical of power. And close the borders. And then to the camps and preferably with family members
        1. +3
          April 17 2012 20: 45
          No, it is necessary to help D.O. Rogozin, A. B. Chubais, he figured out how to deal with energy, he is generally a disassembly specialist, now he understands nanotics, he has a lot of experience. Well, in principle, you can have five committees, enough money for everyone.
        2. Odinplys
          +1
          April 18 2012 02: 19
          I support ... everyone should feel responsibility ... If they live on funds stolen from the state ... let them rest in camps with their husbands ...
      3. VAF
        VAF
        +7
        April 17 2012 14: 01
        Quote: 916
        Need a specialized anti-corruption government committee



        Another committee ??? Yes, how much can they produce then ???

        And I wildly apologize, is it not our highly respected President also VKG ??? Or am I somehow mistaken and he just like that .... like "... stood next to me" ???

        And guess that such things would be immediately and publicly in China ???
      4. +1
        April 18 2012 10: 53
        "We need a specialized corruption supra-government committee directly subordinate to the president. So it should be given all the necessary powers to fight corruption." With an increase in the number of steps in the command and career ladder, corruption will only grow. For example, a special drug control department was created. the result is that there are more drugs. So a specialized committee is not a solution to the problem.
      5. Vasilii
        0
        April 18 2012 19: 49
        Following the logic of the development of our state, the biggest bribes and kickbacks will be taken in this very “anti-corruption committee”.
    2. 0
      April 17 2012 18: 08
      the courts will bury all his repressions.
    3. +1
      April 18 2012 15: 41
      Quote: Atlon
      Give Rogozin more authority! Moreover, the powers of a repressive nature! I am sure he will be able to restore order.


      I would suggest giving him parabellum ... with the authority to shoot directly in the forehead ...
      1. chukapabra
        0
        April 18 2012 15: 44
        Quote: Krilion
        I would suggest giving him parabellum ... with the authority to shoot directly in the forehead

        machine gun and that would shoot a queue
  8. sahha
    +4
    April 17 2012 08: 42
    Apparently Rogozin did not expect "such" a grouping in the Russian military-industrial complex.
    Where is our top leadership, until this chaos continues.
    I don’t know already ...
    1. karlos
      +5
      April 17 2012 13: 04
      Quote: sahha
      Apparently Rogozin did not expect "such" a grouping in the Russian military-industrial complex.
      Where is our top leadership, until this chaos continues.

      Well, yes, another one who did not know anything, everyone knows, but he does not. It’s just set its GDP in order to avert criticism from itself before the elections
    2. +2
      April 18 2012 10: 54
      The more money the more desire and opportunity to cut it.
      (Apparently Rogozin did not expect "such" a grouping in the Russian military-industrial complex.) Well, if he is so naive.
  9. Brother Sarych
    +13
    April 17 2012 08: 49
    No one was punished the year before last. nobody was punished last year, apparently no one will be punished this year. hardly anyone will be punished next year - so what do you want?
    Will Rogozin suddenly fly in a blue helicopter and show a movie for free? Funny indeed ...
    To plant, only to plant, and not in another chair, but on the bunks, exponentially ...
    1. mitya
      +10
      April 17 2012 09: 17
      Well, they’ll put one INDEPENDENTLY AND WHAT?
      The first time chtoli arrange showcases?
      Shooting, and record the family as enemies of the people, then it might be thought over.
      IMHO
      1. Brother Sarych
        +3
        April 17 2012 13: 07
        So, they didn’t even plant anyone!
        On the contrary, they hinted that there will be nothing for it, and we can continue in the same spirit ...
    2. +1
      April 17 2012 21: 43
      To plant, only to plant, and not in another chair, but on the bunks, exponentially ... and so gradually, gradually the whole country becomes a zone.
    3. Odinplys
      0
      April 18 2012 02: 27
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Planting, only planting, and not in another chair, but on the bunk, is indicative ..

      Planting is not an indicator ... we have good money and they don’t mind sitting ...
      The situation in which Russia is now ... can be equated with wartime ...
      Demonstration execution ... in the presence of ... all officials ... the offending agency ...
      It is possible otherwise ... to call on the carpet ... and beat .... break to disability ... to no longer want to live ... it is no coincidence that Grozny ... Peter ... Stalin ... a lot happened .. .
  10. Sarus
    +5
    April 17 2012 08: 52
    Yeah ... in this swamp you have to hang out for a long time ...
    Or letting go of the brakes like that, or start repressions like planting confiscation and the like ...
    It's a shame that ordinary engineers and workers suffer .. Because these orders are their salaries and bonuses ...
  11. +9
    April 17 2012 08: 59
    There is no one to mine gold in the Kolyma. Years .... send a dozen dozen generals and plant managers there. GOZ on 2015 will be concluded in a month
    1. karlos
      +4
      April 17 2012 13: 05
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      There is no one to mine gold in the Kolyma. Years .... send a dozen dozen generals and plant managers there. GOZ on 2015 will be concluded in a month

      the system needs to be changed.
      1. Wolkin
        +1
        April 19 2012 11: 36
        karlos Look at your minuses, how many people do not want to change the system.
        And from me a plus!
  12. +12
    April 17 2012 09: 11
    Unfortunately, more and more often, the thought comes to mind - was Rogozin's appointment a banal PR move before the elections in order to kill two birds with one stone - and to raise the rating of the ruling tandem at the expense of the votes of people who are not indifferent to the problems of the army and to tie Rogozin himself to the system - so that not so hard criticized ?? After all, the most intelligent and decent person can be compromised if you put him on a "failed" direction in advance and do not provide support! And I didn’t even hear about Rogozin’s support from the ruling authorities - only words ...
    And on the other hand - in such a field as the military-industrial complex, order cannot be brought up so quickly - you have to wait a bit - if nothing changes after the inauguration - it will be sad .....
    1. 916-th
      +5
      April 17 2012 09: 48
      Dim-dimis not without common sense.
      1. arhipelag
        +2
        April 17 2012 11: 32
        yes he is right, PR move
    2. +1
      April 18 2012 11: 19
      The most disastrous areas in our country are agriculture and health care. But the military-industrial complex is a very profitable piece (from the point of view of officials). It is possible that Rogozin's appointment is really window dressing. It can be a screen which is used to cover "their" people.
  13. sazhka0
    +6
    April 17 2012 09: 11
    With such "presidents" you can deal with "reform" all your life .. It becomes even interesting
    1. karlos
      +2
      April 17 2012 13: 06
      Quote: sazhka0
      With such "presidents" you can deal with "reform" all your life .. It becomes even interesting

      after 12 years, Medvedev will come and everything will change.
  14. +7
    April 17 2012 09: 20
    Steal on black! 70% of the money goes into the pockets, and 30% not for the intended purpose,
    Yesterday, in Military Secret, this was openly announced.
  15. wax
    +1
    April 17 2012 09: 45
    Rogozin is still on course. The solution is only one - after May 7 - chop nodes with a sword
    1. Nickname
      +5
      April 17 2012 10: 12
      Introduce the death penalty. Disruption of state defense order is equated with treason.
      1. Vadim555
        +2
        April 17 2012 11: 20
        Quote: Nickname
        NickNick Today, 10:12 a new 1 Introduce the death penalty. Failure of state defense order to equate to treason.


        Unfortunately, this is the only way to "punish" so far.
        1. Misha
          -1
          April 17 2012 22: 01
          Quote: vadim555
          Unfortunately, this is the only way to "punish" so far.

          In the same way they were "punished" under the USSR. Remember? - "Rewarding those who are not involved, punishing the innocent"? This is from Soviet folklore.
          1. Vadim555
            -2
            April 17 2012 22: 12
            Quote: Misha
            In the same way they were "punished" under the USSR. Remember?


            I remember, I remember.
            For very large (10000r), up to the "tower".
      2. arhipelag
        +3
        April 17 2012 11: 34
        neither after May 7 nor the next 12 years no one will cut any nodes unfortunately
      3. karlos
        +3
        April 17 2012 13: 07
        Quote: Nickname
        Introduce the death penalty. Disruption of state defense order is equated with treason.

        and who are the judges?
        1. +1
          April 17 2012 16: 36
          A jury trial, for example, from non-corrupt and non-interested people.
          And to all jurors, defense, etc.
          1. chukapabra
            0
            April 18 2012 15: 48
            Quote: Manager
            A jury trial, for example, from non-corrupt and non-interested people.
            And to all jurors, defense, etc.

            Various swamps will crawl there. Only triples as with STALINE , with special powers, Rogozin and Putin, and only they approve the list of candidates. So that all bureaucrats knees shook only with one name
  16. +10
    April 17 2012 10: 00
    Yesterday I went to my chief designer of the direction in our research institute to talk about life
    If there are ridiculously small amounts of money (especially against the background of our budget of the research institute of 1.7 billion rubles), you can practically alone do the primary (mock) development of key projects and, in fact, achieve the technical indicators for this office that it’s time to have (budget) SRI is actually monstrous)
    It is possible to do this because I have all kinds of development and analysis on a computer, the theoretical base of MVTU, and the experience of practical freelance ..
    The answer was.
    Not - that won't do. Design work should be done by the designer (who in modern design - well, by the foot), everything should go according to the schedules and according to the total reporting (when you do what - it's reporting coupons) and by all the rules -
    when there is a wild conflict of all standards with a 40-year-old beard and modern reality. Design iteration for the project - only one is given (more precisely, the first conceptual design is left to the frank to * evils and cool m * ducks and they will clear this design *)

    A separate issue is the theoretical basis, which is laid as the basis for projects. In my memory, those gifted people who created the most striking technical directions were very abruptly "omitted" as a result of undercover games. As a result, now there is no sincere exchange of experience between specialists of different ages and there is no transfer of knowledge.
    1. chukapabra
      0
      April 18 2012 15: 50
      Quote: JustMe
      Chera I went to my chief designer of the direction in our research institute to talk about life

      S .... whose is your boss, they pull the country back. Either retirement or zone, let him choose
  17. ZUI
    ZUI
    +7
    April 17 2012 10: 08
    .... the money that is allocated from the state budget again depressingly lie on the accounts ... /// The question is - depressingly lie or have fun spinning. At 11% per annum, a mere 1 billion rubles. a day can bring 301 thousand rubles. like a bush, not one billion, and they have been idle for 3,5 months. fellow
  18. +6
    April 17 2012 10: 18
    Quote: wall
    These Augean stables need to be raked for years.

    Everything is much simpler, because the criminal legislation in terms of "economic crimes" should not be humanized, but toughened. Moreover, to drastically tighten. As it was said somewhere, "only mass executions of thieving officials can still save our long-suffering Fatherland." And I totally agree with that. The problem is not in the amount of shit in the stables, but in those who are able to clear them.
    1. I AM FROM ODESSA
      +1
      April 18 2012 09: 30
      Quote: Understudy
      Everything is much simpler, because the criminal legislation in terms of "economic crimes" should not be humanized, but toughened. Moreover, to drastically tighten. As it was said somewhere, "only mass executions of thieving officials can still save our long-suffering Fatherland." And I totally agree with that. The problem is not in the amount of shit in the stables, but in those who are able to clear them.

      You know? - In China they shoot the same, but corruption nevertheless flourishes. Do you think there is no corruption in North Korea? - I doubt it! Rather, I am sure that it is flourishing among them. Or maybe under Stalin there was no corruption? ... don’t tell laughing It is IMPOSSIBLE to defeat corruption !!! It can be shrunk to harmless limits, but never to win. am
    2. snek
      0
      April 18 2012 16: 03
      Quote: Understudy
      As it was said somewhere, "only mass executions of thieving officials can still save our long-suffering Fatherland."

      Here are the countries that are regularly recognized in all ratings as the most NOT corrupt: New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, Finland. There are no executions. There is transparency of state. activities and the real impact of the population on the legislative process.
      Quote: I AM FROM ODESSA
      Do you think there is no corruption in North Korea? - I doubt it! Rather, I am sure that it is flourishing among them.

      Well, if you believe these data (http://www.inosmi.ru/infographic/20111201/179002872.html), it takes 182 out of 182 (that is, the most corrupt of those considered), though by the cunning criterion of perception of corruption.
  19. +1
    April 17 2012 10: 24
    As one of the great friends of the "national treasure" used to say - "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always"!
    It is too early to expect positive results from Rogozhkin, and it is unlikely that he will do anything worthwhile with the systemic saw-cutting technology of the defense industry.
    On the one hand, we yell at every corner that young people don’t go to developers and designers, on the other hand, the mossy ones wipe out talents with all available methods.
    Only enterprises of a new profile with modern management and naturally equipment are able to solve problems.
    And our generals from the military are sitting on the "bubble" from exports and they need us..t for domestic needs.
    In general, the dead man is right Chernomyrdin ..... !!!
  20. welder
    +2
    April 17 2012 10: 52
    hmm ...... wait another year, maybe then I’ll definitely make sure that all this is a performance ... someone says one thing, but in reality another thing happens .... then I’ll spit on everything and say: it went all to x .ep .....
    1. PabloMsk
      -2
      April 17 2012 11: 15
      Quote: welder
      hmm ...... wait another year, maybe then I’ll definitely make sure that all this is a performance ... someone says one thing, but in reality another thing happens .... then I’ll spit on everything and say: it went all to x .ep .....



      And at our age, it's time to think so.
      Think about your own well-being and peace of mind, because those who are "above" do not think about it ... they have bigger tasks.

      It will be as it will be and not always as you want.
      And there is nothing to be done about it - you are one thing, and the State is completely different.

      However, special masochists can spin in the millstones of statehood until old age :)
    2. +2
      April 17 2012 11: 15
      Quote: welder
      ..that I’ll spit on everything and say: it all went to heh .....


      ... and I’m going to cook lattices for avtozak, since demand and price can increase dramatically, by the way. For the idea, 10% of the revenue for me ... (just kidding)
      1. karlos
        +1
        April 17 2012 13: 12
        Quote: Ascetic
        and I’m going to cook lattices for avtozak, since demand and price can increase sharply, by the way. For the idea, 10% of the revenue for me ... (just kidding)

        recently you were ready to sit with Nemtsov, Kasparov and Navalny. I look not frail your company will pick up
  21. 0
    April 17 2012 11: 45
    Russian military spending last year amounted to 72 billion dollars, thus Russia took third place in the ranking of military “spender”, follows from a report published on Tuesday by the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).
  22. Olegovich
    0
    April 17 2012 12: 54
    We must do what Putin did in Pikalevo: threw a pen at the oligarch - sign it!
    Or, as a last resort, a variant of the Garage movie theater: to gather the heads of the defense industry and the Ministry of Defense in the conference room, close the doors and announce that they will not leave here until the agreements are signed. Agree quickly!
  23. dred
    0
    April 17 2012 13: 08
    Wow, the economist is confused.
  24. +2
    April 17 2012 14: 01
    Keyword article sabotage. Sabotage is expressed in unwillingness to work.
  25. vylvyn
    +6
    April 17 2012 14: 06
    Quote - "It turns out that the money allocated from the state budget is sadly lying in the accounts of the Ministry of Defense again and cannot be used in any way."

    And here the author is mistaken. It is here that the dog is buried. Such grandmothers do not just lie in the ministry, but lie in commercial banks (previously created by stools), and percentages are dripping on them. Cap-Cap-Cap. But the stool exposes his mug and not a single drop passes by the mug. And it seems that the initial amount of state money does not change and no one is sawing it, and a mug of stool is fuller and fuller.
  26. Nechai
    +2
    April 17 2012 14: 50
    Quote: military
    Such a "hot water bottle" is too tough for this tuzik ..

    Quote: Esso
    But if neither Serdyukov nor Rogozin can move the cart from a dead point, then either you need to add a third to them, which also cannot guarantee serious progress

    This system of "differential levels" has no solution in this coordinate system. Whatever extreme values ​​are given to the variables, the result will be an imaginary unit.
    Quote: Atlon
    Give Rogozin more authority! Moreover, the powers of a repressive nature! I am sure he will be able to restore order.

    Ktozh give him. So every "smart guy" can, but you suffer so much ....
    Quote: JustMe
    In my memory, those gifted people who created the most striking technical directions were very abruptly "omitted" as a result of undercover games. As a result, now there is no sincere exchange of experience between specialists of different ages and there is no transfer of knowledge.

    Assume this happens spontaneously? Well for .... lyadsky system. Not thanks, but contrary. Remember, the forum member, told how Chernomyrdin secretly, secretly supported the defense. And you Rogozin ....
  27. USNik
    +2
    April 17 2012 15: 06
    Let's see how the bosses will accept the upcoming Victory Parade 2012, if the same as the past, then I think there will be no changes with the GOZ.
  28. Liberal
    -1
    April 17 2012 16: 14
    Another victory of the mighty Rogozin? Urya! Glory to Rogozin - the savior of the army from the stool! Glory to the commander - the savior of Russia from the orange threat !! Let's sing the joys of the Russian Anthem laughing I hope that they all know the text?
  29. Igor77
    +2
    April 17 2012 18: 02
    Be fruitful and multiply still physically and mentally develop is our personal contribution to the military-industrial complex. Or does it sound like science fiction?
  30. Horde
    +4
    April 17 2012 19: 43
    It turns out that contracts are not concluded for subjective reasons. And there may be several such subjective reasons. This is either the notorious corruption, or the banal unwillingness to do serious work, or, which is very likely, the first and second


    It’s IMPOSSIBLE to believe this power, elections were held and everything returned to normal, but what about Rogozin? I think Rogozin can not, and does not want to.
    1. +3
      April 17 2012 20: 12
      In-in, I completely agree with you.
  31. +3
    April 17 2012 19: 57
    It’s a pity our army, I’ve suffered so much. Not one drop of the order seems to be outstanding.

    Maybe Rogozin got confused in his wallet ?! And not in defense orders, in the Soviet Union half of the top would be shot.

    Rogozin is probably confused in his wallet. Paul tops could be shot in the USSR.
  32. merkel1961
    +2
    April 17 2012 20: 33
    In a word, sabotage. "The saboteur is not an installer, not a miner, not a tractor driver, an important saboteur-uncle, and a great specialist! And no matter what they sing to us there, he is not in the zone, not in the artel, he is always with a big business and always crystal clear clean. "
    1. oldmen1973
      +1
      April 17 2012 23: 27
      I would put ten pluses! Whose Creation? laughing
  33. +4
    April 18 2012 00: 05
    In the meantime, all this trash is sawing the budget ... on Izhmash, the main producer of the world's best small arms (and not only!) Weapons ... bankruptcy proceedings have started ... :(

    Tell me, fellow patriots, why do we need this Olympiad and this mega-bridge to the "disposable island" if we are the main manufacturer of our legendary machine gun! ... just like that! ... not for hell of a dog ... for the whole world! ... declare bankrupt !!! : (((

    And there it was necessary to have some percentage of the cost of the bobsleigh "mega-track"! You just can't cut so much on Kalash! ...

    Shameful and painful! : (((
    1. Horde
      +3
      April 18 2012 07: 12
      on Izhmash, the main producer of the world's best small arms (and not only!) weapons ... bankruptcy proceedings have been launched ... :(


      Izhmash must be helped to acquire products — it will come in handy.
  34. Odinplys
    +4
    April 18 2012 02: 43
    Those wishing to serve Great Russia ... honestly ... less and less ...
    My grandmother ... at the age of 90 said ... granddaughter ... we need a war ... so that people would understand what happiness is ...
    And Stalin praised ... He called the master ...
  35. +3
    April 18 2012 08: 36
    Well, it’s not in vain that when the ebony came to power, the article with confiscation was canceled, the OBKhSS service was abolished.
    Now is the time to think about the phrase "Enemy of the people."
  36. Pessimist
    +4
    April 18 2012 09: 44
    Have survived! Tandem, rearmament rushing! And where are the comments of my respected opponents - Sauseda and Art. Petrova?.? Recently, before the "hoarseness" I was told about rearmament! Tanks in masses, Bulava in batches, Boreis in squadrons? Yes, even here they can't even "cut" money quickly ... It's very sad, only executions for corruption will solve the problem! ...
  37. savelij
    -1
    April 18 2012 16: 56
    The son of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin Alexey left the post of Deputy General Director of Promtechnology Group of Companies. He announced this in his microblog on Twitter. The reasons for the dismissal, Alexei Rogozin, who is also a deputy of the Moscow regional Duma, did not disclose.

    The group of companies of Promtechnology is engaged in the production of small arms, in particular, hunting, sports and tactical rifles ORSIS. The company’s plant is located in Moscow; its number of employees is about 100 people.

    Rogozin - this is another six errands at the Moneylenders!
  38. Horde
    -1
    April 18 2012 20: 59
    Rogozin - this is another six errands at the Moneylenders


    who would doubt it!
    1. chukapabra
      +1
      April 18 2012 21: 40
      Quote: Horde
       -1 
      Rogozin - this is another six errands at the Moneylenders

      who would doubt it!

      Give a trial period of one year. After a year, let him report, we ask in full. Every day lost is a blow to the country's defenses. It will not cope, not to Brussels, back, but to the head of the administration of some village in Kolyma. It's time to arrange show trials over this shushary.
  39. +1
    April 18 2012 21: 51
    Zionism!!!
  40. 0
    28 February 2015 12: 30
    Again, the collapse of GOZA. Sadly.