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Turkey began to use 203-mm howitzers in Syria

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During the military operation against the Kurdish formations, the Turkish army used its most powerful artillery guns. Speech about 203-mm self-propelled howitzers of the American production М110А2.


These 28-ton SAUs are capable of hitting projectiles weighing more than 92 kg over a distance of almost 23 km. The use of active-reactive ammunition increases the firing range to 30 km.

Turkey began to use 203-mm howitzers in Syria


The total length of the self-propelled gun is more than 10 m. Diesel engine power - hp 405 Power reserve - 520 km. Calculation - 5 people.



As military expert Yury Lyamin notes, the involvement of the heaviest self-propelled howitzers that Turkey has in operation "Olive Branch" is not surprising. The fact is that the Kurdish detachments in Afrin did not lose time in vain and over the past few years have been able to create real long-term fortifications in the mountains of the border areas.

They equipped concrete long-term firing points and observation towers, underground supply lines. Therefore, for the destruction of these fortifications, 203-mm howitzers are ideal
- explains Lyamin.

The M110 has long been the basis of long-range artillery in the United States and other NATO countries. Chemical and tactical (including neutron) nuclear weapons were developed for these weapons, reports RG-Sil
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  1. newcomer
    newcomer 29 January 2018 19: 34
    11
    Turks are drawn deeper ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 29 January 2018 19: 39
      +6
      Turks will get bogged down in Syria, definitely. Erdogan’s rating will not only fall, but he won’t want to eat.lol
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 January 2018 19: 44
        +9
        Let him also utilize his warriors and Kurds.
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 January 2018 20: 20
          +5
          This is a powerful weapon for a military operation, and the Kurds are more partisan.
          1. pjastolov
            pjastolov 29 January 2018 20: 37
            11
            Hi Victor hi Well, from which side to look,
            Kurdish units in Afrin did not lose time and over the past few years have been able to create real long-term fortifications in the mountains of border regions.
            so this is a little like a guerrilla war
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 January 2018 20: 48
              +3
              Hi Volodya! hi , these are separate centers, and so there partisanism prevails.
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 29 January 2018 20: 51
                +6
                these separate foci will be put out, perhaps even by a flood
                1. cniza
                  cniza 29 January 2018 21: 49
                  +2
                  The flag is in their hands, they know better.
          2. Simple
            Simple 29 January 2018 20: 53
            0
            Quote: cniza
            This is a powerful weapon for a military operation, and the Kurds are more partisan.


            Turks are not used to it. They in their country of Kurds ironed howitzers.

            Quote: from article
            The fact is that the Kurdish detachments in Afrin did not waste time and over the past few years have been able to create real long-term fortifications in the mountains of the border regions.



            Well yes. The Turks specifically on this occasion paved the way.
        2. garnik
          garnik 29 January 2018 20: 49
          +1
          Your words to God in the ears.
        3. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 30 January 2018 01: 21
          0
          Quote: newbie
          Let him also utilize his warriors and Kurds.

          And what did the Kurds do wrong to you?
          1. Ren
            Ren 30 January 2018 05: 06
            +1
            Quote: Skifotavr
            And what did the Kurds do wrong to you?

            Most of the site doesn’t have it personally, but Russia, as a state and its citizens (both Christians and Muslims), yes ... Tigranakert (now Diyarbakir), Bayazet - do you want to continue? hi
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 30 January 2018 05: 30
              +2
              Quote: Ren
              - continue to continue?

              And continue. And here is Russia in your Armenian troubles?
              If Bayazet can still be pulled by the ears to the topic, then Tigranakert is just a ride over the ears ..
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 30 January 2018 01: 42
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Turks will get bogged down in Syria, definitely. Erdogan’s rating will not only fall, but he won’t want to eat.lol


        But this is not a fact. Kurds can take a break before. The law has not been written to the Sultan; it can even bombard them, even without a break for lunch and weekends.
    2. Maz
      Maz 29 January 2018 19: 57
      0
      It remains to shove mlrs there
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 29 January 2018 20: 04
      +3
      Quote: newbie
      Turks are drawn deeper ...

      A vacuum cleaner sucks them deeper and deeper. This is a payment for great power, which is not, in fact.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 29 January 2018 20: 07
        +6
        An analogue of our "Peony" .. A noble device .. But if the Kurds go to guerrilla warfare, it is completely useless.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 January 2018 20: 26
          16
          Quote: 210ox
          But if the Kurds move on to partisan warfare, it’s completely useless.

          Is not a fact. There is a fairly wide range of cluster munitions. Allows you to effectively "sow" large areas.
          In one shell, or 104 fragmentation submunitions of air blasting (“fell-bounced”), or 195 KOBE with armor penetration of 90 mm
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 30 January 2018 00: 53
            +1
            There, the "peacekeeper" oh how it will cover, immediately the "civilized" countries will howl lol
            1. slavaseven
              slavaseven 30 January 2018 07: 33
              +1
              They are excited to Russia.
    4. vlad66
      vlad66 29 January 2018 20: 26
      +7
      For these guns, chemical and tactical (including neutron) nuclear munitions were developed, RG-Force reports.

      In, for complete happiness in Syria there was still not enough nuclear fire. request
    5. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 30 January 2018 03: 15
      0
      Doing business with them is not ice at all.
  2. svp67
    svp67 29 January 2018 19: 37
    +1
    Turkey began to use 203-mm howitzers in Syria
    A completely adequate response to the restriction of Syrian air defense flights of Turkish combat aircraft ...
    1. Kars
      Kars 29 January 2018 19: 57
      +6
      The main thing here is that artillery is indispensable on the battlefield) and cheaper than bombing every bump with airplanes.
      It would not hurt to send a couple of batteries of peonies to Syria ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 29 January 2018 20: 02
        +8
        Quote: Kars
        It would not hurt to send a couple of batteries of peonies to Syria ..

        "Peony" / "Malka" gun, not a howitzer. With all the consequences.
        Syrians in this class have 130 mm for their eyes
        But 160 and 240 mm mortars would be useful to the Syrians. Even in towed version
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 January 2018 20: 22
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          But the 160 and 240-mm mortars Syrians would be useful

          Already


          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 January 2018 20: 31
            +6
            At their own. M-160 before the war were in service.
            But the Soviet M-240 and Iranian 160-mm mortars were delivered apparently in the process.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 22: 29
              0
              Quote: Spade

              2
              Shovels Today, 20: 31 ↑
              At their own. M-160 before the war were in service.

              M-160 in 1949 adopted. There was another 160mm mortar of the 1943 model, the first in this caliber ...
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 20: 35
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Shovels Today, 20: 02 ↑ New
          Quote: Kars
          It would not hurt to send a couple of batteries of peonies to Syria ..

          "Peony" / "Malka" gun, not a howitzer. With all the consequences.
          Syrians in this class have 130 mm for their eyes
          But 160 and 240 mm mortars would be useful to the Syrians. Even in towed version

          Mortars 160mm in Syria are fighting, there were photos. For 240mm targets, not all Syrian regions are available. Even in urban areas it will be hard to find a worthy goal. Well, if only to demolish some quarter entirely. But how much ammunition is needed?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 January 2018 20: 41
            +3
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Even in urban areas it will be hard to find a worthy goal.

            Quite the opposite, easy.

            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Well, if only to demolish some quarter entirely.

            Multi-storey building. Great target for the "Daredevil"

            But how much ammunition is needed?

            At a distance of 5 km, half of the mines will fit into an ellipse 26 by 17 meters.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 21: 25
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              Quote: Captain Pushkin
              Well, if only to demolish some quarter entirely.

              Multi-storey building. Great target for the "Daredevil"

              The goal, yes, is noticeable. The question is different, is there anyone in this house, if so, how many.
              50 fighters or one machine gunner? When they attacked, it was 50, and as they retreated to the starting line, they ran to the second line there and left the duty officer ...
              And so put empty houses, house after house in the trash?
        3. Kars
          Kars 29 January 2018 21: 08
          +5
          At the dawn of our acquaintance, we were arguing about guns and howitzers)) M110A2 is only called inertia as a howitzer, A1 is a howitzer, but the long-barreled version is not fundamentally different from a peony. I don’t remember if it has a change in charges or not.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 January 2018 21: 30
            +5
            Quote: Kars
            M110A2 only by inertia is called a howitzer

            Why "by inertia," she is to her.
            The minimum possible initial velocity of the projectile for the M110A2 is 305 meters per second. Available charges- 8. Therefore, this is a howitzer.
            At "Peony" / "Malki" - the minimum possible 500 m / s. And three available charges. Therefore, this is a gun.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 January 2018 00: 40
              +1
              Finally, I realized the difference between a howitzer and a gun ... Thank you! good
              1. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg 30 January 2018 01: 43
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Finally, I realized the difference between a howitzer and a gun ... Thank you! good


                You are welcome. At least somewhere you’ll get your mind.
            2. Kars
              Kars 30 January 2018 00: 56
              +5
              Yeah) but you haven’t changed) can you tell me where you got the gun classification by initial velocity? At what speed does the howitzer turn into a cannon? Maybe there is a classification according to the number of variable charges?
            3. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 30 January 2018 01: 34
              0
              According to the classification, a gun and a howitzer differ in the ratio of barrel length to caliber.
              1. dima9990
                dima9990 30 January 2018 06: 26
                0
                And the initial speed depends on the length of the barrel.
                1. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 30 January 2018 18: 57
                  0
                  Quote: dima9990
                  And the initial speed depends on the length of the barrel.

                  I know.
              2. Lopatov
                Lopatov 30 January 2018 10: 00
                +1
                Quote: Skifotavr
                differs in the ratio of barrel length to caliber.

                That was earlier. Before the advent of modern "long" howitzers.
                Now they can be distinguished only by available paths. Howitzers can "work" with mounted fire, guns, no.
                1. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 30 January 2018 18: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Quote: Skifotavr
                  differs in the ratio of barrel length to caliber.

                  That was earlier. Before the advent of modern "long" howitzers.
                  Now they can be distinguished only by available paths. Howitzers can "work" with mounted fire, guns, no.

                  For the first time I hear that the classification has changed. Modern guns simply have a wider possibility of varying the propellant charge - hence the possibility of a hinged trajectory. Although it is possible that in the West we no longer have a single clear classification. For example, a similar situation is observed with the term "turbofan engine" when we call it a turbojet dual-circuit with a high bypass ratio, then it is fundamentally new on the basis of a turbine and a gearbox with a fan like a turboprop screw-fan, but with an annular casing of the NK-93 type. Well, according to the classic, barrel artillery is divided as follows:
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 31 January 2018 09: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Skifotavr
                    Modern guns

                    There are none.
              3. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 31 January 2018 15: 51
                0
                About 50 years ago, yes, along the length of the barrel in calibers. Here are just the current howitzers have trunks (in caliber) longer than most of the then guns.
                The difference between the gun and the howitzer is one - the howitzer has a variation of the hinged trajectories, but the gun does not.
        4. Horse meat
          Horse meat 29 January 2018 21: 23
          +1
          Syrians need it.
          2С35 "Coalition-SV"
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 January 2018 19: 41
    +4
    If the hopper is well made, 203 mm is not enough laughing It’s just that the Turks no longer have trump cards. A pair of batteries of such howitzers will not solve anything. But the trunks will wear out - and the khan ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 January 2018 19: 49
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But the trunks will wear out - and the khan ...

      For them, PRESTIGE is now more expensive than trunks.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 January 2018 19: 52
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the hopper is well made, 203 mm is not enough

      It depends on what path they throw.

      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But the trunks will wear out - and the khan ...

      They will buy from the Chinese. They have already copied. By the way, they offer for sale not only an expensive self-propelled guns but also a cheap towed option.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 29 January 2018 21: 05
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        By the way, they offer for sale not only an expensive self-propelled guns but also a cheap towed option.
        Well, the trunks will wear out, not the carcass.
        A new barrel stuck and bullet on.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 January 2018 21: 08
          +2
          Quote: Simargl
          Well, the trunks will wear out, not the carcass.

          "Carcass" also has its own resource for shots.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 29 January 2018 21: 39
            0
            It is clear that it is not eternal, but not 2 seconds, but, say, 8-10. What is the resource of the trunk? 2000-5000? Carcasses for 30000 will be enough to repair.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 22: 22
              +1
              Quote: Simargl
              What is the resource of the trunk? 2000-5000?

              M110 barrel resource - 400 shots and replacement.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 30 January 2018 13: 28
                0
                Yeah ... what negative
                Well, then we clean the toe ... 3000 laughing
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      If the bunkers are well made, 203 mm is not enough laughing. Just the Turks no longer have trump cards. A pair of batteries of such howitzers will not solve anything. But the trunks will wear out - and the khan ...

      The Americans M110 almost removed from service and stocks of trunks with pleasure will discard the Turks.
      In principle, in acute need, the Turkish defense industry has the ability to master the production of 203mm barrels.
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 20: 57
        +2
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        If the bunkers are well made, 203 mm is not enough laughing. Just the Turks no longer have trump cards. A pair of batteries of such howitzers will not solve anything. But the trunks will wear out - and the khan ...

        The Americans M110 almost removed from service and stocks of trunks with pleasure will discard the Turks.
        In principle, in acute need, the Turkish defense industry has the ability to master the production of 203mm barrels.

        Shores are not mixed up? Americans aroused Kurds, help and arm. Thus they want to besiege Assad and punish the Turks for disobedience. In addition to threaten Iraq. Everything there is tied up in support of the Kurds, not Turkey. Your statement is somehow not logical.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 21: 31
          +2
          Quote: Vkd dvk
          Shores are not mixed up? Americans aroused Kurds, help and arm. Thus they want to besiege Assad and punish the Turks for disobedience. In addition to threaten Iraq. Everything there is tied up in support of the Kurds, not Turkey. Your statement is somehow not logical.

          The words and deeds of Americans do not always coincide. For example, during the Iran-Iraq War, the United States officially supported Iraq, diplomatic relations with Iran were severed, but they secretly delivered weapons to Iran, not Iraq.
          1. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 22: 28
            +1
            Quote: Captain Pushkin
            Quote: Vkd dvk
            Shores are not mixed up? Americans aroused Kurds, help and arm. Thus they want to besiege Assad and punish the Turks for disobedience. In addition to threaten Iraq. Everything there is tied up in support of the Kurds, not Turkey. Your statement is somehow not logical.

            The words and deeds of Americans do not always coincide. For example, during the Iran-Iraq War, the United States officially supported Iraq, diplomatic relations with Iran were severed, but they secretly delivered weapons to Iran, not Iraq.

            I think that political goals are more important for them than finances. Catching them on such a scam is easy. Moreover, there are so many intelligence, so many interests that the devil himself will not understand. In such a mess, there is certainly a channel for information leakage.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 30 January 2018 13: 31
        0
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        In principle, in acute need, the Turkish defense industry has the ability to master the production of 203mm barrels
        How about this option: do the Turks want to use weapons for good?
        Now, it seems like, more than 152/155 mm are not counted.
  4. avt
    avt 29 January 2018 19: 41
    +4
    Why !? wassat Here the Azerbaijani visitors rubbed us this morning - everything! Victories are such that it’s already a complete akbar. bully
    Quote: newbie
    Turks are drawn deeper ...

    So far I suppose they are only trying to squeeze the blitzkrieg.
    Quote: newbie
    retract
    This is when from Afrin to Mosul. bully
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 January 2018 19: 44
    +3
    With these shells, they will not only plow the Kurdish positions there! One hundred pounds, the "mistakes" will begin - the type was fired in the wrong way, by chance, some village or a bus with people was blown up with such a shell!
  6. Bypassed
    Bypassed 29 January 2018 19: 55
    +3
    The Armenian Genocide? No, not heard.
    The Kurdish genocide is not the crowding out of bandits and the transfer of land to the real owners.
    By the way, in Turkey louder and louder exclamations about jihad against Kurdish bandits.
  7. bald
    bald 29 January 2018 20: 00
    0
    Powerful thing - impressive. According to the shells, it seems that not everything is listed (anti-bunker). I liked the hydraulics of the tractor in the photo, fixing the self-propelled gun tightly.
  8. Vita vko
    Vita vko 29 January 2018 20: 09
    +3
    A 203mm Kurdish howitzer would be a good sobering cure for US $ green drugs. The Kurdish mafia leadership will certainly flee to the United States or Europe, but ordinary people sooner or later will have to join the reconciliation system, and there can be no question of any autonomy.
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 January 2018 20: 11
    +1
    Well, the thing is clear that the independent Kurdistan of Turkey, like a sickle in that place and not only Turkey ...
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 29 January 2018 20: 19
    0
    Turkey began to use 203-mm howitzers in Syria

    Mdyayayaya. Since 1962 1000 pieces are made, and still 900 pieces. in the ranks. It's a shame.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 January 2018 20: 39
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Since 1962 1000 pieces are made, and still 900 pieces. in the ranks. It's a shame.

      As far as I know, they were actively changing hosts. In the US and European countries of NATO, they were replaced by MLRS, and then sold to the side.
      1. chenia
        chenia 29 January 2018 22: 08
        0
        Quote: Spade
        NATO they were replaced by MLRS, and then sold to the side.


        It took 203 mm for serious wars, and in local conflicts a very good sledgehammer.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 January 2018 22: 39
          +4
          Quote: chenia
          203 mm gone for serious wars

          At the time of the withdrawal from the armament of the NATO countries of this SG, new “maginot lines” with a bunch of reinforced concrete did not appear in Europe, and special ammunition appeared in the 155 mm caliber. Therefore, they did not begin to keep her in the army. Rate of fire 1 shot per minute, transportable ammunition, two shells ... That’s another thing.
          1. chenia
            chenia 29 January 2018 22: 58
            +1
            Now the missile division is not needed in the division either (the states did not have it (Lens in the corps).
            READN Tornado and special, cassette, and adjustable in any caliber (if you didn’t do anything, you can blind it). And 152-155 mm effective (without taking into account special BP, it firing at certain targets) became when loading mechanization appeared. Prior to this, the consumption was a third less, smeared with low rate of fire (and quick fatigue calculation) and OH could be longer than 122 mm.
            And now this is an important factor. .
  11. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 29 January 2018 20: 21
    +1
    really few people noticed a brand new asphalt?
  12. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 29 January 2018 20: 25
    +7
    Ne mutlu Türküm diyene
    what in translation is it an honor to be a Turk
    but hildren howitzers firing on militants
    1. avt
      avt 29 January 2018 20: 32
      +1
      Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
      Ne mutlu Türküm diyene
      what in translation is it an honor to be a Turk
      but hildren howitzers firing on militants

      wassat
      Herculesych Today, 19:44
      With these shells, they will not only plow the Kurdish positions there!
      They have no time to go, to plow that! One salvo was given and already themselves pissed with happiness in a cry! bully
      1. chenia
        chenia 29 January 2018 22: 01
        +2
        Quote: avt
        They have no time to go, to plow that! One salvo was given and already themselves pissed with happiness in a cry!


        Not. This is a Turkish report "rollback is normal, the trunk is clean laughing "
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 22: 20
          0
          Quote: chenia
          Not. this is a Turkish report- "normal rollback, clean trunk laughing"

          Russified version of the report: "200 grams, normal rollback!"
    2. Lesorub
      Lesorub 29 January 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Anyone can be called an action movie))
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 29 January 2018 21: 37
      0
      Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
      what in translation is it an honor to be a Turk

      It looks like the battery commander is already deaf and dumb. The rest seek to deafen after. Why did they climb onto self-propelled guns when firing?
      1. Spike Javelin Touvich
        Spike Javelin Touvich 29 January 2018 21: 48
        +2
        question to the wrong address
        Perhaps such a procedure
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 30 January 2018 01: 45
      0
      Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
      Ne mutlu Türküm diyene
      what in translation is it an honor to be a Turk
      but hildren howitzers firing on militants


      Judging by how he yells after the shot, something went wrong ...
  13. garnik
    garnik 29 January 2018 20: 46
    +4

    Damascus accused Ankara (Ankira) of destroying the ancient temple of the Iron Age of Ain Dara, at least 8 centuries BC. The basalt temple and the explosions of shells would hardly have suffered, rather there was a deliberate action of sappers from pro-Turkish militants.
    1. Yujanin.
      Yujanin. 29 January 2018 22: 30
      +2
      The basalt temple and the explosions of shells would hardly have suffered, rather there was a targeted action by sappers from pro-Turkish fighters.

      Lavrik, your Armenian site is resurrected as always misleading people. In fact, the temple as well as the mosque in southwestern Afrin suffered as a result of the Turkish air strike http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-worl
      d / world / article197085949.html
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        1. Yujanin.
          Yujanin. 30 January 2018 00: 17
          +1
          That we will derogatory to each other, little boy.


          I posted a link to the source above. And you, instead of drawing conclusions, began to insult your interlocutor. Koyunchik from the Turkish translation means a lamb. This is to the admins of the site!
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  14. Horse meat
    Horse meat 29 January 2018 21: 11
    0
    This is to get to the air defense.
  15. Yujanin.
    Yujanin. 29 January 2018 21: 11
    +2
    Kurdish detachments in Afrin did not lose their time and over the past few years have been able to create real long-term fortifications in the mountains of border regions.
    https://vk.com/video-76669927_456244749
    1. garnik
      garnik 30 January 2018 08: 23
      0
      Thank you, Erkek Southerner, your complaint reached the point. What about Gavrik and Lavrika? lol
  16. Trn
    Trn 29 January 2018 21: 33
    +4
    Turkophobes, analysts and military experts who so violently dislike everything Turkic sitting on their couch)
    1. Trn
      Trn 29 January 2018 21: 44
      +4












      in spite of all your predictions from the couch, the Turkish army is moving forward and pinching terrorists on all fronts) or rather, partly Turkish, the infantry, as we all know, is not represented by the regular army ...
      and for these same analysts in the topic, fortifications in Karabakh were built over 25 years ... the fighting spirit of the Armenians is known to the whole world, which many times over the years have been emphasized by the same analysts at this forum, which did not prevent the Azerbaijani army from breaking through this defense per night)))

      Sit and predict (dream) on your couch ... dreams and realities are not the same thing) facts are stubborn things)
      1. garnik
        garnik 29 January 2018 23: 06
        +1
        Do not be discouraged when the Turks and their gangs all sorts of shashanas, Samarkandis leave the territory of Syria, then you can believe the oturenny hole. And it is precisely these scumbags that you are waiting for, for the resumption of the war in Ar.tsakh, not to overpower by yourself. About fighting spirit, just do not tell you.
    2. Varna
      Varna 29 January 2018 21: 46
      +8
      You do not explain what exactly Turkophobes, analysts and experts should see in your photo in order to immediately feel love for you, and sincerely? What is this photo ? What is it about? Where from? And in general, what did you want to say?
      1. Trn
        Trn 29 January 2018 21: 49
        +3
        about how and where the Turkish army gets bogged down ... didn’t post photos of the killed terrorists ... for ethical reasons
        1. Horse meat
          Horse meat 29 January 2018 22: 25
          0
          So these Assad enemies are fighting on the side of the Turks.
          It is strange that he admits this.
          Where is the logic here.
          Or then just everyone fights for himself, no matter who and for what.
  17. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 30 January 2018 00: 07
    +1
    how nedoturkov bursts then)) cranks. how and what will you begin to whine when the "osman pasha" gets up on the skis and gets away?
  18. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 30 January 2018 01: 26
    +2
    Turks will destroy the Kurds indiscriminately in the military and civilians. They have extensive experience in organizing genocides.
    1. tracer
      tracer 30 January 2018 05: 50
      0
      Peaceful is even better ... Because it’s easier. Turks know a lot about genocide. And unfortunately, according to such unhealthy logic, someone should cut someone.
  19. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 30 January 2018 07: 11
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    Yes, it’s a long time. There is no strategy (as well as tactics) for the Turks, but just crap left and right ... it's 5 years.
  20. Trn
    Trn 30 January 2018 09: 02
    +2
    Quote: garnik
    Do not be discouraged when the Turks and their gangs all sorts of shashanas, Samarkandis leave the territory of Syria, then you can believe the oturenny hole. And it is precisely these scumbags that you are waiting for, for the resumption of the war in Ar.tsakh, not to overpower by yourself. About fighting spirit, just do not tell you.


    Well, yes, in Shiite Azerbaijan in April 2016, Isil (forbidden in Russia as in Azr, an article lasts 20 years) with Israeli spikes and a Turkish starship attacked your positions)))) by the way, a spaceship yesterday shot down one of the LGBT battalion’s fighters in Africa Rpk)))

    and about to overpower, foreigners do not guard our borders, and we have no foreign military bases, and in April there was no mobilization (the whole world saw your old ones on whom Harop was tested), and we did not ask Uncle Putin to stop the database)
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2018 10: 37
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    Tractors, by the way, are not MZKT?
    1. Aqr009
      Aqr009 30 January 2018 12: 26
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      This is Oshkosh M-1074
  22. krokus792
    krokus792 30 January 2018 16: 43
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    Our peony is better, and after modernization, finally there will be fire.
  23. Lex.
    Lex. 30 January 2018 19: 35
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    A tractor MZKT