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The government talked about the likely demand for a civilian version of a supersonic aircraft

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The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade reported on the possible demand for Russian supersonic aircraft. We are talking about hypothetical civilian airliners based on the Tu-160 aircraft, which Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about during a visit to the Kazan aircraft manufacturing plant. According to Putin, a supersonic aircraft would be very relevant for civilian air travel, given the huge scale of Russia.


The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Commerce reports that demand may be around 20-30 of civil aircraft of this type.

The government talked about the likely demand for a civilian version of a supersonic aircraft


RIA News cites the statement of the ministry representatives:
The enterprises of PJSC "UAC" (United Aircraft Building Corporation) have a scientific and technical reserve for supersonic administrative aircraft. Domestic demand is projected at a level of at least 20-30 machines at a price of 100-120 million dollars. The export potential of the aircraft can also be significant.


It is also reported that the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats may take about 8 years - taking into account the backlog of engines.

At the same time, the department did not comment on the very feasibility of such a project, taking into account the refusal of the USSR and France to operate supersonic Tu-144 and Concord.
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 29 January 2018 17: 48
    +2
    So I'll be back in about fifteen minutes,
    Crowned or crippled. Anyway. (C) Erofeev
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 29 January 2018 18: 07
      22
      In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it? And to whom to get him involved, if Europe refused from Concord. Kmu needs to build a special runway under it for one or two flights a week. Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.
      1. zivXP
        zivXP 29 January 2018 18: 18
        31
        And talk? Our president is a storehouse of brilliant ideas.
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 29 January 2018 18: 29
          22
          Che the guarantor drove. religion ... now planes ... I'm worried
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 29 January 2018 19: 46
            +4
            The steep slides drove Sivka.
          2. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 29 January 2018 20: 53
            20
            After March 18, planes, temples and everything, everything is good ..... they will be forgotten, and coupons will be cut from the electorate .....
            "Have you chosen poverty? So you voted for it ...."
      2. Kars
        Kars 29 January 2018 18: 29
        14
        Take posazhirov to the bomb bay) and all affairs. And parachute)
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 29 January 2018 19: 29
          +6
          Quote: Kars
          Take posazhirov to the bomb bay) and all affairs. And parachute)

          Kars, this is a sensible thought. It is better to land quickly on the ground than to lie in the ground for a long time. I have been thinking about this topic for a long time. By the way, who are the "posazhiri"?
          1. Kars
            Kars 29 January 2018 22: 21
            +4
            What is pos fats is not important.
            I’m not a pilot, but it became interesting, I got on the wiki and at that 160 the cruising speed is 960 km, and at the 1,7 concord max. How much can the fuel consumption fly over the afterburner
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 29 January 2018 18: 54
        20
        Quote: siberalt
        . Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.

        Instead of supersonic projections, they would do even better with Small Aviation! It is much more popular and cheaper! And leave the Tu-160 to the military, for whom it is so necessary!
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 29 January 2018 19: 47
          12
          What are you doing on the small? Not enough for a mansion in London. Only on a doghouse.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 January 2018 19: 25
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it?

        It is not clear what dvigun on the civilian version will be. Two mach for a lot of civilians. Perhaps they will somehow work with the NK-32 for the civilian version. Well, something will have to be done with gluttony.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 29 January 2018 20: 43
          +1
          In general, a new engine, a new glider, new electronics, and you have to roll the plane from scratch
      5. Observer2014
        Observer2014 29 January 2018 20: 38
        11
        siberalt
        In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it? And to whom to get him involved, if Europe refused from Concord. Kmu needs to build a special runway under it for one or two flights a week. Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.
        100% Who are going to carry and where. And how many should be produced. For the project to become profitable? It’s hard to work in one place for too long. You need to leave on time. So it’s easy to reach jokes. Like about Brezhnev.
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 29 January 2018 21: 07
          +5
          Who are going to carry and where.

          Another "member", there is no transcontinental "member" + Arab sheikhs with a harem, as potential customers ...
          But in general: "..physically everything in this world is raging ...."
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 29 January 2018 21: 08
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight

        For the state or for the passenger? For a passenger, one and a half times.
        That is, the ticket price in Alma-Ata has become 62 rubles. 50 kopecks The Tu-144 ticket included a margin “For speed and comfort”, it was issued on a separate ticket form and amounted to 22 rubles. That is, the full amount of the ticket on the Tu-144 turned out to be 84 rubles. 50 kopecks
        I’d like to ask for a start.
      7. Topotun
        Topotun 30 January 2018 10: 05
        0
        So in the article they wrote - we are talking about "administrative" aircraft. Those. not for everyone. .
    2. Maz
      Maz 29 January 2018 20: 02
      +9
      The king said - a servant cried out, it happens
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 29 January 2018 20: 12
      +7
      It is also reported that the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats may take about 8 years - taking into account the backlog of engines.

      It’s not realistic, it’s too expensive, the price of an air ticket will also be sky-high + plus it’s necessary to build a runway under them. fool were, considered that without pants will be. yes
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 January 2018 20: 26
        +7
        A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity. Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner. Well, also the prime minister, and the ministers of defense and foreign affairs. All voiced sides will leave
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 29 January 2018 20: 30
          +6
          Quote: jjj
          A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity.

          In only the president and fly. yes
          Quote: jjj
          Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner.

          If only then twenty not in our country would have to be spent, then the odorless month would be stocked up. laughing
        2. Topotun
          Topotun 30 January 2018 10: 06
          +2
          Quote: jjj
          A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity. Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner. Well, also the prime minister, and the ministers of defense and foreign affairs. All voiced sides will leave

          Well, Putin flew on the SU-27 ... And there is no need to develop. Security on an external sling ....
    4. ihnovich990
      ihnovich990 29 January 2018 23: 27
      +5
      Yeah ... Here the darkest powerfully in a puddle ... sat down.
  2. astepanov
    astepanov 29 January 2018 17: 56
    +5
    In one of the telecasts, a specialist from the manufacturer said that the design documentation for such an aircraft was almost ready and that the cost of transportation on it would be almost lower than on subsonic ones. And as if a prototype can be pumped out for testing in less than 4 years.
    God forbid.
    And on the other hand, since the idea was expressed by the President, immediately everyone started to fuss, showing zeal. At the top, everything is entirely - lights and doctors, like Rogozin and Kindersu ... well, you know. In which case, of course, they will step aside and will blame the President. And as it really is, it is still unknown.
    1. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 29 January 2018 18: 40
      +9
      Nonsense!
      cheaper subsonic - will not. Have you seen anything with us to make it cheaper?

      And yet, the whole world does not, then nafig is not needed.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 January 2018 19: 21
        +8
        Quote: Silkway0026
        cheaper subsonic - will not. Have you seen anything with us to make it cheaper?

        We do not even have access to "subsonic". For example, a reserved seat is closer to me.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 January 2018 19: 27
        +2
        Quote: Silkway0026
        And yet, the whole world does not, then nafig is not needed.

        The whole world does not, stupidly because they could not under the USSR, and now they can not. As for the civilian version of Cygnus ... it’s still not clear what kind of dvigun they will put on it. What are you talking about now?
        1. NN52
          NN52 29 January 2018 20: 27
          15
          NEXUS

          I recently recently posted another photo in a different topic from Photoshop ,,,
          Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 30 January 2018 01: 12
            +1
            Quote: NN52
            NEXUS

            I recently recently posted another photo in a different topic from Photoshop ,,,
            Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...

            Yeah, riding a cruise missile! laughing
          2. iouris
            iouris 30 January 2018 12: 01
            0
            Quote: NN52
            Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...

            This has already happened: Khrushchev flew to the United States on a passenger version of a bomber. In Davos, representatives of the Russian Federation have nothing to do at all.
            This is a Rogozin plane for flying to Moldova.
            1. NN52
              NN52 30 January 2018 22: 18
              10
              iouris

              You have no brains.
              And you are definitely not a pilot ..

              You have a wedge on Rogozin ...
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 29 January 2018 17: 58
    +5
    What is the demand? Demand will be if the price of the ticket is available .. And I strongly doubt it. Another question is that in the government everyone is aging and long flights have become tiring, if only for themselves. In general, of course, the idea is good .. but you need to study the demand, how to follow .. and how it works with a superjet ..
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 29 January 2018 18: 11
      +6
      It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. laughing . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach. hi
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 29 January 2018 19: 03
        +2
        Quote: Kasym
        It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. laughing . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach. hi


        Nonsense is complete ...
        In a world ruled by economics ...
        Concords stopped flying not because of the high cost, but because of electronic document management ...

        Now the big boss does not need to "fly" across all branches and departments.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 January 2018 20: 39
          +2
          Quote: ZVO
          Nonsense is complete ... Now the big boss does not need to "fly" across all branches and departments.

          The same nonsense. For some reason, they continue to fly on subsonic ones, despite electronic document management. Well, and would sit at home in front of the computer.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 29 January 2018 22: 52
          +2
          Nonsense that sheikhs will buy such "aggregates"? The Saudi princes, of whom there are over a hundred, have their own Boeings, by the way, among many - or are not aware ?! Why would they not have one in several families - for them it is a matter of prestige ?! And here is such a supersonic “toy” for 200 million! Yes, do not go to the grandmother, they will trump each other with a bundle and "rhinestones". laughing
          Or what kind of economy do those BP bigwigs, Konako Philips or Gazprom, etc. have? They have their own fleets - what would they not buy, especially if they themselves produce, produce fuel, etc.
          Therefore, dear, in my opinion, such an airplane will have its own niche in the market - there would be an offer. Is such a point of view is nonsense? If you want a dialogue, then with these words, a young man, do not scatter.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 January 2018 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Svarog
      and how it will turn out with a superjet ..

      And what happened to the superjet?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 29 January 2018 21: 33
        +4
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Svarog
        and how it will turn out with a superjet ..

        And what happened to the superjet?

        Duc did not work, as before, piece production. When they planned the plane, they painted that they say the line for the car is 10 years in advance ..
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 January 2018 21: 35
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          Duc did not work, as before, piece production. When they planned the plane, they painted that they say the line for the car is 10 years in advance ..

          Maybe it’s for the better than working at the warehouse, it’s better for specific orders. But, it seems, the production is not idle and there are orders.
  4. svp67
    svp67 29 January 2018 17: 59
    +6
    The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the possible volumes of demand for Russian supersonic aircraft
    And will the demand for its design and creation PURCHASE that demand? How about this?
    That the rich have nowhere to spend the money, so they decided to outdo the competition. Many have cool yachts, but only a select few have their own "passenger bomber". And there’s nothing that not every airport is ready to accept it, and not everyone has the fuel for its engines. The main thing here is PONTS. And what they often lead to, we also know ...

    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 29 January 2018 18: 13
      +7
      Yes, there will be nothing - they will talk and forget. a dozen boards for show-offs will not buy the project or the board will be priced from a deep space area, and there are no guarantors of their purchase at the exit
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 29 January 2018 19: 18
      15
      Well, here I already wrote at VO that I believe that it is time to revive the project of a supersonic civilian aircraft again. And that was long before Putin. wink I will briefly voice my reasons.
      The global market for serious civil aviation is already divided. And nobody is waiting for us with our planes there. That is, with the help of politics, you can squeeze some part of the market, but you can’t get into the top like that. To return to the top aviation powers in the civilian aircraft industry, one must enter the market with a new product. Albeit a niche one, but one that has no competitors. A supersonic passenger or cargo, postal plane is the very top aviation technology. There will not be many competitors for him for a considerable time. So there is a chance to stake out a small, but extremely high-tech part of the market. request
      About the price. First, do not forget that a lot has changed since Tu144. There was a computer simulation, new automation systems to save the aircraft from pilot error, new materials, etc. That is, there is every chance to make a new aircraft better than that144. Secondly, it is necessary to form a market for him, and not wait for when this market itself appears. Wasn't there a tablet before Jobs with an iPad? There were, but it was he who convinced millions of people. that they need him. So it is here. We need an aggressive PR company, convincing that Maybachs and Bentles are for beggars, and the correct real boys fly only on Russian supersonic planes. So that sheikhs and billionaires stand in line behind them. There was no such niche in the USSR, it was hard to say how much a supersonic business jet would pay off, or it was hard to say. But one thing is certain - entering the market with such an aircraft will immediately return us to the top aviation powers. This means that ordinary planes will be better sold, since we can become a trendsetter for a while. My IMHO - I do not impose. hi
    3. Horse meat
      Horse meat 29 January 2018 20: 25
      +1
      Not some show-offs, this is a strategic bomber, many fighter jets do not intercept the catastrophe before. Their fuel will run out.
      And then they’ll get "free".
      Plus spare parts and repairs will be cheaper.
  5. faiver
    faiver 29 January 2018 18: 00
    +8
    it’s better to forget this quietly ...
  6. astepanov
    astepanov 29 January 2018 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    long flights began to tire, if only for themselves.

    And diapers for what?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 January 2018 21: 19
      0
      Quote: astepanov
      Quote: Svarog
      long flights began to tire, if only for themselves.

      And diapers for what?

      But what, already there are no toilets, or is it just now that only the laziest in the comments diapers do not mention?
  7. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 January 2018 18: 07
    +7
    If this government could so provide the indigenous population of Russia and the Russian army with everything necessary, as it speaks, then a golden age would come in Russia ... and not this squalor ...
    1. SEER
      SEER 29 January 2018 20: 02
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      If this government could so provide the indigenous population of Russia and the Russian army with everything necessary, as it speaks, then a golden age would come in Russia ... and not this squalor ...
      again ached \ cried ... to give a handkerchief? Well, so you wiped yourself off the snot.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 29 January 2018 20: 04
        +1
        And you do not want to spit on anti-popular reforms of the parishioners of the alcohol center ?! After your Yeltsin and Chubais killed in Russia tens of millions of Russian citizens of your party, they don’t have bloody dreams?! Well, of course, you should snatch more from Russia and take them to London ....
        1. SEER
          SEER 29 January 2018 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: Nemesis
          And you do not want to spit on anti-popular reforms of the parishioners of the alcohol center ?! After your Yeltsin and Chubais killed in Russia tens of millions of Russian citizens of your party, they don’t have bloody dreams?! Well, of course, you should snatch more from Russia and take them to London ....

          how did you get with "my party"! how do you know which party is mine?
          here and close kublo.
          and when do your slogans end? completely forgot how normal people talk?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 30 January 2018 11: 08
            0
            Normal people do not go to the alcohol center, and what your party is immediately visible, by your hiccups to my comments ...
  8. Romin
    Romin 29 January 2018 18: 08
    24
    Much has been said about the hole and enlightenment;))
    But recently, such a feeling, the President of the Russian Federation not only lives in parallel Russia, but already specifically burns !!!
    If it weren’t so sad, you can only rejoice at the “trolling” of officials! Which is perceived by anyone as a promise to action. But the sad thing is that the reverse medal of the sovereign system creeps out (it looks like an almost cult of personality, when no one dared to make a constructive addition across the opinion of the supreme leader and make arguments about thinking, and the words of the supreme are perceived as dogma).
    Very alarming!
    Confirming the perniciousness of the "royal" system.
    As for the supersonic passenger airliners for 50 top managers, this is of course dullness of pure water.
    Instead of developing high-speed railway trains of 250-300 km / h between the cities of Russia, let me remind you that we have a very long country. And if you look at how long it takes to get from point A to point B of the Russian Federation and compare it with the same indicators in China, Europe and Japan, then the Russian Federation for this indicator in the 19th century;)! And this is sad!
    It is not necessary to remind about highways - Siberia-the Far East, Ural - roads of federal significance in places with soil, in places single-lane asphalt!
    And according to economic models, economic growth is rigidly tied to the speed of movement of both cargo and human resources! Which leads to economic growth and productivity growth!
    Most importantly, such models are tied to the infrastructure response of the economy. It has been tested in life in Germany, Europe, the States, Japan, China and other developed countries.
    It is proven proven! No need to reinvent the wheel - you need to invest in the development of Russian infrastructure, and not in US securities.
    And here, the President of the Russian Federation is thinking about a high-speed airplane for top managers!
    Answer me - is it already senile ...?
    Do you care?
    Not understanding the real infrastructural situation with the country?
    What is that?
    1. sabotage
      sabotage 29 January 2018 18: 14
      +7
      Quote: Romin
      What is that?

      This is a catastrophe.
      1. captain
        captain 29 January 2018 18: 17
        +4
        Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.
        1. KERMET
          KERMET 29 January 2018 18: 39
          +5
          Another country, with a different system, goals and environment. Now, at the head of everything, economic efficiency has been declared and it was under this flag that Soviet passenger aircraft were buried
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        3. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 29 January 2018 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: captain
          and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR

          But what, the Tu-104 was unprofitable?
        4. weksha50
          weksha50 29 January 2018 19: 57
          +7
          Quote: captain
          Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.


          Yes, it’s not about that ... Very different times and a different situation ...
          Here a man under the nickname g1v2 expressed a more or less sensible thought, although personally I am against ...
          Concord stopped flying for the main reason - the high cost of operation and maintenance ... On the profitability, unprofitability, there seemed to be no official speeches ...
          To create a new Tu-144-2 for the sake of some sheikhs and billionaires in the expectation that they, like "cool boys", will seize their fingers and buy cool nishtyaks is another release of money into the air ... Just like that ... Similarly the way some males light cigarettes from 100-dollar bills ...
          I myself began to feel a certain dilution of the brain ... They say: what is old, what is small ...
          In general, the affairs in Russia, requiring both money and a powerful organization and control, are higher than over the edge ... And there is nothing to bring bad ideas ... Although ... Why not turn the river back, first of all, Moscow- the river? In order not to pollute the great Russian rivers Oka and Volga ...
    2. dauria
      dauria 29 January 2018 18: 15
      +4
      What is that?


      This is what:

      "The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
      And the boots stitch the pastry,
      And things won’t work out.
      Yes, and a hundredfold
      What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
      He forever others stubborn and foolish:
      It’s better to ruin everything,
      And glad soon
      The laughing stock of becoming light
      Than honest and knowledgeable people
      Ask il to listen to reasonable advice. "
      1. Horse meat
        Horse meat 29 January 2018 20: 37
        0
        And what is the difference?
        Tu-160 takes a load of 45 tons.
        Set the maximum number of seats, expand the tanks and fill the fuel so that the weight is 45 tons of cargo.
        Then look at what distances it is more economical to fly.

        A dry super jet 100, how much bribe did you get from a Boeing to construct a fuselage with a width of 5 seats 2 + 3 place 6 seats 3 + 3 like a Boeing 737?
        Stalin would have shot such traitors in revenge.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 29 January 2018 19: 08
      +9
      it is rapture by power. Have you been paying attention to his smile lately? This is the smile of a person who knows everything in advance, all the moves, for they are exclusively EOG and no one else. Soon we will live to the point of absurdity.
      1. Krev
        Krev 30 January 2018 19: 31
        0
        Survived! Here you are carrying it!
  9. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 29 January 2018 18: 15
    +5
    So nobody needed that 144, but who will fly on this?
    1. notingem
      notingem 30 January 2018 09: 31
      0
      Tagil rules
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 29 January 2018 18: 15
    12
    Something Vova suffered, then he rushed to compare socialism with religious movements, then build jet liners. Is everything in the country so good?
    1. Krev
      Krev 30 January 2018 20: 02
      +1
      And by and large, the president is right. Socialism was positioned in this way - it will come and you will be happy, you will heal like in paradise. Yes, and the slogans were in tune, such as man, man, friend, brother, etc. Let's not go further, everyone already knows ..

      What do you propose to do the whole country? Everywhere and everywhere to catch up with developed countries? So we will remain forever catching up!
      Let me remind you, another example from the space industry, the USSR began to study space immediately after the war in a country destroyed to the Volga, with a starving population without developed infrastructure, etc. Maybe then it was not necessary? Were they wrong then !? They are right, and even how, because how they became the first in outer space so still in the lead, despite the efforts of the Rogozins and the dashing 90s. What a jolt it gave then! It is difficult to imagine Russia now without space, which began to be lifted in a crushed country then.
      What kind of small-town thinking - if they don’t do it in the west, then we won’t, where are we to go ... But then, bam, their Jobs have already riveted tablets, now we are smart, we can start to catch up .... Forward and with the song, we’ll even have a place in the market there. Place exclusively consumer! Nah-nah such logic !!!

      For Russia, being a leader in development is a matter of survival!
  11. atesterev
    atesterev 29 January 2018 18: 15
    +1
    And I like the offer! Special board for dropping the economic bloc of the government on the heads of adversaries ... Brilliant!
  12. Labor
    Labor 29 January 2018 18: 26
    +1
    The main thing is that GDP conducts good marketing! Then the payback and the rest will be.
    Quote: Kasym
    It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. laughing . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach. hi
  13. prior
    prior 29 January 2018 18: 32
    11
    The proposal for a supersonic passenger plane at a time when a large part of the country's population cannot afford ordinary air travel is already beyond.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 29 January 2018 18: 47
      +2
      Who is this and where can not fly? Can it be in numbers? Then recently flew to Izhevsk. So the coupe is close for the money. Only a very long time ...
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 29 January 2018 19: 04
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Who is this and where can not fly?

        not ordinary people, of course. Actually, we are not even talking about an airliner. About a jet superjet for moneybags, which will be more like show-offs and a tribute to prestige than objective necessity. Like, see what I have in my garage! Former bomber!
      2. faiver
        faiver 29 January 2018 19: 12
        +7
        fly to us in yakutia and then kudan to the north and you will understand not in numbers but in your own skin hi
        in our country it is more expensive to fly at 800-1500km than fly to 5tys. km to Moscow, no train, roads are relative ...
  14. Rem411
    Rem411 29 January 2018 18: 34
    +3
    GDP just doesn’t say anything, most likely the project already lies under the cloth, the project was reported at the plant, the demand was probably also calculated, voiced in a closed report. GDP gave the go-ahead. Part of the investment in upgrading the Tu-160 may pay off.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 January 2018 19: 14
      +6
      nonsense, research and development on changes will gobble up a lot of time and money ...
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 January 2018 18: 44
    +2
    Supersonic will never be massive. But to have such a passenger that can throw you in Vladik in 4 hours - well, sometimes for any money - it is necessary.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 January 2018 19: 15
      +2
      Why do you need Vladik for 4 hours?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 29 January 2018 19: 52
        +3
        Quote: faiver
        Why do you need Vladik for 4 hours?

        Drink a beer, look at the sunrise. Romance.
  16. loginovich
    loginovich 29 January 2018 18: 49
    +5
    It is also reported that for the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats it may take about 8 years - when accounting for the backlog of engines.
    [Quote] [/ quote]
    After re-election successfully forgotten. and remember the election of the 24th year.
  17. Romin
    Romin 29 January 2018 18: 52
    +3
    Quote: captain
    Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.


    I agree! But one must live by the realities of the 21st century.
    And this is economics - profitability and frozenness.
    So we take the calculator and count.
    According to the Tu-144 and Concord, the mathematics turned out to be not comforting.
    And everything is relative.
    Cost-effective for passengers and airlines to operate with modern subsonic sides.
    I’m ready to bet that the Tu-160 project does not have any comparable profitability in passenger transportation compared to the Tu-204/14.
  18. Kent0001
    Kent0001 29 January 2018 19: 03
    +9
    Che money nowhere to go? Or is this another tricky election plan? Zadolbalo is all. Yesterday nobody needed this nafik, and today the government is discussing ... a new channel sawed the state dough (among friends and its own) for several years ahead from the filing of the guarantor. It is true that with good intentions the road is lined up you yourself know where. Rather, March 19, so that this circus has already stopped.
  19. san4es
    san4es 29 January 2018 19: 13
    +1
    The government talked about the likely demand for a civilian version of a supersonic aircraft

    ...In queue
    Lockheed Martin Helps Aerion Build AS2 Business Supersonic Aircraft


    ... In the meantime, the Cessna Citation X is the fastest civilian aircraft in the world
    (maximum recorded flight speed - 1153 km / h)

  20. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 29 January 2018 19: 20
    +6
    Well, absolute nonsense and cut funds - the conversion of a combat heavy supersonic aircraft into a passenger one.
    1. san4es
      san4es 29 January 2018 19: 29
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      Well, absolute nonsense and cut funds - the conversion of a combat heavy supersonic aircraft into a passenger one.

      ... It is unlikely - they too literally accepted. Small business jet will be limited
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 29 January 2018 23: 31
        +1
        A small business jet is real. But what does the alteration of the Tu-160 have to do with it?
        1. san4es
          san4es 30 January 2018 09: 36
          0
          hi ... Not at all .. Thought with the "passenger", tied to it, due to illiteracy.
    2. Horse meat
      Horse meat 29 January 2018 20: 19
      +1
      Not a remake, but a remake.
      Just built the Tu-160 from scratch, and the passenger will be built.
  21. faiver
    faiver 29 January 2018 19: 30
    +3
    Why trifle then? let's sculpt a death star right away
  22. ZVS
    ZVS 29 January 2018 19: 54
    0
    30 aircraft is a huge loss. The payback period for projects with 100 aircraft is 10 years, and even for the entire life of the project, the project will not pay off.
    Make engines, and the glider is the second thing.
  23. SEER
    SEER 29 January 2018 20: 09
    +1
    you read most of the commentators and wonder:
    all the same smart, they know everything about everything - even though now put on the presidency, steer the country ...
    PySy: "if you are so smart, then you don’t go to build?" (with)
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 29 January 2018 22: 10
      +4
      Quote: SEER
      "if you are so smart then you don’t go on the line?" (with)

      But that’s why we don’t walk, because the smart ones ... wink
      1. SEER
        SEER 29 January 2018 22: 19
        0
        Quote: Chicot 1
        Quote: SEER
        "if you are so smart then you don’t go on the line?" (with)

        But that’s why we don’t walk, because the smart ones ... wink

        Well, you do not belong to those, dear smile
  24. Horse meat
    Horse meat 29 January 2018 20: 17
    0
    Tu-160 is three times more than Tu-144.
    What are 8 years old, why is it, who came up with what to wait for 8 years?
    Everything is ready, cut windows, put chairs and go.
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 January 2018 21: 22
    +3
    Quote: siberalt
    In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight.

    Tu-144 flew only along the route Moscow - Alma-Ata. The ticket cost 68 rubles. During the flight, passengers were offered cognac and black caviar sandwiches! With a capacity of 140 seats, usually 80 passengers flew. In general, the plane was very uneconomical.
    On an ordinary plane, a ticket cost 48 rubles.
  26. Stoler
    Stoler 29 January 2018 21: 40
    10
    One question torments me (WELL HERE FOR HORSE !!! ????
  27. Mixail sterx
    Mixail sterx 29 January 2018 22: 07
    0
    I read such a version that when selling civilian versions, Russia puts a pig under the US missile defense, since the military cannot be distinguished from the civilian on radars, and by all means the USA is unlikely to shoot ....
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 29 January 2018 22: 58
      +3
      Quote: Mixail Sterx
      I read such a version that when selling civilian versions, Russia puts a pig under the US missile defense, since the military cannot be distinguished from the civilian on radars, and the US is unlikely to shoot at all

      Wow, everything is abstruse))
      First, where does the missile defense system? She is not against airplanes, but against missiles. A rocket differs from an airplane, however)
      Secondly, what light head does it take to launch passenger airliners over a war zone? What happens, we all know
      1. Mixail sterx
        Mixail sterx 29 January 2018 23: 09
        0
        and the planes aren’t shot down from cannons) ... the more planes are produced, the cheaper one comes out ... I think they come from this, and remaking from finished to another is cheaper than new .... and I think they will buy the same China ... from them no strategic bomber of this level.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 29 January 2018 23: 18
          +1
          Tu-160 will launch its missiles outside the air defense coverage area (if it is not intercepted by fighters at the turn of the line). After that, it remains only to shoot down his missiles.
          Quote: Mixail Sterx
          the more aircraft produced, the cheaper one goes

          provided that the aircraft same type. And that is not a fact. Thirty (even if there will be so many, although I doubt that a dozen will be typed) business jets converted from a missile carrier can only be said to be at a loss.
          Quote: Mixail Sterx
          and I think they will buy the same China ... they don’t have a strategic bomber of this level

          But what does a civilian liner have to do with it? How does it compare with the "bombing vehicle for China"? what
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 29 January 2018 23: 19
          +1
          I'm not saying that you are going to present the "heritage of the republic"?
  28. weddu
    weddu 29 January 2018 22: 14
    +1
    It would be better if they brought the Tu-334CM to mind, and let it go into the series, well, at least. After all, according to the plans of the Lubavitcher ...
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 29 January 2018 23: 35
      +2
      Tu-334 was brought to mind and certified. But the ambitions of Poghosyan with his RRJ-100 (he is called the "super budget") buried the Tu-334. This didn’t help Pogosyan, he flew off from all his posts, now the rector of the Moscow Aviation Institute, although he does not even have the title of assistant professor.
  29. Medalist
    Medalist 30 January 2018 00: 00
    0
    "Tatar-Mongol yoke" of the sample of 1991 in all its glory.
    The occupiers captured absolutely everything, crushed the country, almost completely destroyed the entire industry and organized endless wars between siblings.
    What is there to say? Hitler could not inflict such damage on our Motherland as these "rulers of darkness"
    Russian People - WAKE UP!
    Turn to the Lord God in congregation with a repentant prayer: "Deliver us from the servants of the crafty demon, Lord!"
    Their goal is to destroy all, to corrupt and lead astray from the "true path"
  30. jonht
    jonht 30 January 2018 00: 45
    +1
    I read it, neighing, I felt sad .... From the logic of some, they switched from propeller to jet aircraft, it’s not clear, because “logic” says propellers eat less fuel, and they need a shorter strip .... Let's all again on the screw drive wassat
    Upon the restructuring of the Tu-160, the first is the evolutionary development of aviation, as a stepping stone to the next stage - hypersound. Secondly, structurally, the airframe and avionics have already been worked out and do not require large expenses, there are problems with the engines, so if you do not develop this area, then nothing will change. Thirdly, the development of supersonic airliners is carried out by all major aircraft manufacturers, but no one has such achievements as ours, and not taking advantage of the existing advantage now means playing catch-up again.
    And for everyone who remembers only about the economy of flights, tickets for airships along the Kaliningrad-Anadyr route wassat
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 January 2018 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: jonht
      I read, neighing, sad

      After reading your comment, I experienced those de emotions) Purely naive philistine look of a blonde)
      Quote: jonht
      after all, "logic" says screw consume less fuel

      not logic says, but engineering calculation, confirmed by the experience of operating supersonic airliners. Neither the Concord nor the Tu-144 were cost-effective. “Concords” generally handed over to airlines for 1 pound, if only the planes flew! If you had the beginnings of education, you would know that having exceeded the Mach number. fuel consumption rises sharply. In addition, the "two-swing" planes are not eating ordinary kerosene - but expensive thermostable.
      Quote: jonht
      Secondly, structurally, glider and avionics have already been developed and do not require large expenditures,

      utter nonsense. The civilian airliner and the Tu-160 will be very different both in terms of glider and avionics.
      So, our dear smiling, before you start to smile, you need to understand at least if this is not a smile for the one who fell on his helmet
      1. jonht
        jonht 31 January 2018 00: 27
        0
        Know a lot of "BLONDS" among the engineers of leading aircraft manufacturing companies, the poor do not know that you have put an end to them on all projects and handed them over to the archive .... laughing
        And in KB there are so many topics of hypersound ...... M, yes ... Everyone, disperse everyone!
        1. The glider is primarily aerodynamics and the layout of components and mechanisms, and yet it is very good with the Tu-160, while someone does not cancel the fact of internal processing (re-arrangement) of volume.
        2. Engines are already being developed for the new Swan, and as you may have noticed, they went far ahead from the end of the 60s. In addition, R&D is conducted on mixed supersonic-hypersonic engines.
        3. Is avionics in your vision the same 60-70s? Companies such as Boeing and Airbus have lagged behind life .... Yes, and the continuous problems with adapting the avionics already used on the Tu-160 are simply not solvable .... Byad ....
        4. The young lady, a woman from a blonde, is purely physiologically no different.
  31. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 30 January 2018 01: 48
    +1
    The crap shoved by another Chubais.
    Russia has so much money that there’s nowhere to put it. To transport a couple of hundred patented swindlers abroad per year.
  32. Star
    Star 30 January 2018 02: 26
    +2
    Utopia, verified by the USSR.
    1. stone
      stone 30 January 2018 11: 04
      +1
      Well, right now the USSR is in fashion. Well, the end will be about the same.
  33. armourer
    armourer 30 January 2018 02: 41
    0
    Quote: Silkway0026
    Che the guarantor drove. religion ... now planes ... I'm worried

    But I also thought about it, why reassemble the bike. There is a base, but it will be visible there
  34. MadCat
    MadCat 30 January 2018 04: 28
    +2
    There are real customers, or again a projection of "misunderstood geniuses," to cut a few billion, and make a tearful movie about an unparalleled world that didn’t have another 100500 billion to develop ... request
  35. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 30 January 2018 10: 41
    0
    The main idea is for Tupolev to master the production of a civilian aircraft (military and specialist orders for long-range vehicles are not eternal). But with a civilian supersonic aircraft they were too smart ... economically, with modern technologies, it is unprofitable. Boeing already tested the last Tu-144 with NK engines from the Tu 160go
  36. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh 30 January 2018 10: 46
    +1
    Damn, well, who are they holding us all for? “Superjet”, after all, at every airport.
  37. sabotage
    sabotage 30 January 2018 11: 08
    +1
    And what is the TU-160 cruising speed?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 30 January 2018 15: 08
      +3
      Quote: sabotage
      And what is the TU-160 cruising speed?

      in my opinion subsonic, something in the region of 950 km / h
      1. sabotage
        sabotage 30 January 2018 22: 00
        0
        So what kind of supersonic airliner are we talking about? He will go to afterburner, and every 15 minutes he will suck at the tanker?
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 30 January 2018 23: 08
          +1
          so he has a range on it of about 14 thousand km. Tu-144 on two Machs could cover only 5 thousand miles. And this one can roughly