The government talked about the likely demand for a civilian version of a supersonic aircraft

The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade reported on the possible demand for Russian supersonic aircraft. We are talking about hypothetical civilian airliners based on the Tu-160 aircraft, which Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about during a visit to the Kazan aircraft manufacturing plant. According to Putin, a supersonic aircraft would be very relevant for civilian air travel, given the huge scale of Russia.

The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Commerce reports that demand may be around 20-30 of civil aircraft of this type.

RIA News cites the statement of the ministry representatives:

The enterprises of PJSC "UAC" (United Aircraft Building Corporation) have a scientific and technical reserve for supersonic administrative aircraft. Domestic demand is projected at a level of at least 20-30 machines at a price of 100-120 million dollars. The export potential of the aircraft can also be significant.

It is also reported that the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats may take about 8 years - taking into account the backlog of engines.

At the same time, the department did not comment on the very feasibility of such a project, taking into account the refusal of the USSR and France to operate supersonic Tu-144 and Concord.

Comments

[zzdimk]

So I'll be back in about fifteen minutes,
Crowned or crippled. Anyway. (C) Erofeev

[siberalt]

In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it? And to whom to get him involved, if Europe refused from Concord. Kmu needs to build a special runway under it for one or two flights a week. Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.

[zivXP]

And talk? Our president is a storehouse of brilliant ideas.

[Silkway0026]

Che the guarantor drove. religion ... now planes ... I'm worried

[Pereira]

The steep slides drove Sivka.

[Solomon Kane]

After March 18, planes, temples and everything, everything is good ..... they will be forgotten, and coupons will be cut from the electorate .....
"Have you chosen poverty? So you voted for it ...."

[Kars]

Take posazhirov to the bomb bay) and all affairs. And parachute)

[sabakina]

Quote: Kars

Take posazhirov to the bomb bay) and all affairs. And parachute)

Kars, this is a sensible thought. It is better to land quickly on the ground than to lie in the ground for a long time. I have been thinking about this topic for a long time. By the way, who are the "posazhiri"?

[Kars]

What is pos fats is not important.
I’m not a pilot, but it became interesting, I got on the wiki and at that 160 the cruising speed is 960 km, and at the 1,7 concord max. How much can the fuel consumption fly over the afterburner

[tol100v]

Quote: siberalt

. Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.

Instead of supersonic projections, they would do even better with Small Aviation! It is much more popular and cheaper! And leave the Tu-160 to the military, for whom it is so necessary!

[Pereira]

What are you doing on the small? Not enough for a mansion in London. Only on a doghouse.

[NEXUS]

Quote: siberalt

In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it?

It is not clear what dvigun on the civilian version will be. Two mach for a lot of civilians. Perhaps they will somehow work with the NK-32 for the civilian version. Well, something will have to be done with gluttony.

[Blackmokona]

In general, a new engine, a new glider, new electronics, and you have to roll the plane from scratch

[Observer2014]

siberalt

In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight. I wonder who and where in Russia will fly on it? And to whom to get him involved, if Europe refused from Concord. Kmu needs to build a special runway under it for one or two flights a week. Mass supersonic will not become for a long time.

100% Who are going to carry and where. And how many should be produced. For the project to become profitable? It’s hard to work in one place for too long. You need to leave on time. So it’s easy to reach jokes. Like about Brezhnev.

[Solomon Kane]

Who are going to carry and where.

Another "member", there is no transcontinental "member" + Arab sheikhs with a harem, as potential customers ...
But in general: "..physically everything in this world is raging ...."

[Orionvit]

Quote: siberalt

In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight

For the state or for the passenger? For a passenger, one and a half times.

That is, the ticket price in Alma-Ata has become 62 rubles. 50 kopecks The Tu-144 ticket included a margin “For speed and comfort”, it was issued on a separate ticket form and amounted to 22 rubles. That is, the full amount of the ticket on the Tu-144 turned out to be 84 rubles. 50 kopecks

I’d like to ask for a start.

[Topotun]

So in the article they wrote - we are talking about "administrative" aircraft. Those. not for everyone. .

[Maz]

The king said - a servant cried out, it happens

[vlad66]

It is also reported that the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats may take about 8 years - taking into account the backlog of engines.

It’s not realistic, it’s too expensive, the price of an air ticket will also be sky-high + plus it’s necessary to build a runway under them. were, considered that without pants will be.

[jjj]

A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity. Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner. Well, also the prime minister, and the ministers of defense and foreign affairs. All voiced sides will leave

[vlad66]

Quote: jjj

A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity.

In only the president and fly.

Quote: jjj

Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner.

If only then twenty not in our country would have to be spent, then the odorless month would be stocked up.

[Topotun]

Quote: jjj

A supersonic airliner is needed for flights of the president. Our country is big. Fly for a long time. And here is such an opportunity. Flock to the twenty. American in his own way, German in pan-European. A Chinese with an Indian and other Japanese, some on American airplanes, some on European ones. And then the Russian president inaudibly sweeps over you, and the sound will come later. And our president will be the only one who flies on such a liner. Well, also the prime minister, and the ministers of defense and foreign affairs. All voiced sides will leave

Well, Putin flew on the SU-27 ... And there is no need to develop. Security on an external sling ....

[ihnovich990]

Yeah ... Here the darkest powerfully in a puddle ... sat down.

[astepanov]

In one of the telecasts, a specialist from the manufacturer said that the design documentation for such an aircraft was almost ready and that the cost of transportation on it would be almost lower than on subsonic ones. And as if a prototype can be pumped out for testing in less than 4 years.
God forbid.
And on the other hand, since the idea was expressed by the President, immediately everyone started to fuss, showing zeal. At the top, everything is entirely - lights and doctors, like Rogozin and Kindersu ... well, you know. In which case, of course, they will step aside and will blame the President. And as it really is, it is still unknown.

[Silkway0026]

Nonsense!
cheaper subsonic - will not. Have you seen anything with us to make it cheaper?

And yet, the whole world does not, then nafig is not needed.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Silkway0026

cheaper subsonic - will not. Have you seen anything with us to make it cheaper?

We do not even have access to "subsonic". For example, a reserved seat is closer to me.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Silkway0026

And yet, the whole world does not, then nafig is not needed.

The whole world does not, stupidly because they could not under the USSR, and now they can not. As for the civilian version of Cygnus ... it’s still not clear what kind of dvigun they will put on it. What are you talking about now?

[NN52]

NEXUS

I recently recently posted another photo in a different topic from Photoshop ,,,
Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...

[Skifotavr]

Quote: NN52

NEXUS

I recently recently posted another photo in a different topic from Photoshop ,,,
Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...

Yeah, riding a cruise missile!

[iouris]

Quote: NN52

Well, you must agree beautifully if Our President arrives on such an example as in Davos ...

This has already happened: Khrushchev flew to the United States on a passenger version of a bomber. In Davos, representatives of the Russian Federation have nothing to do at all.
This is a Rogozin plane for flying to Moldova.

[NN52]

iouris

You have no brains.
And you are definitely not a pilot ..

You have a wedge on Rogozin ...

[Svarog]

What is the demand? Demand will be if the price of the ticket is available .. And I strongly doubt it. Another question is that in the government everyone is aging and long flights have become tiring, if only for themselves. In general, of course, the idea is good .. but you need to study the demand, how to follow .. and how it works with a superjet ..

[Kasym]

It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach.

[ZVO]

Quote: Kasym

It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach.

Nonsense is complete ...
In a world ruled by economics ...
Concords stopped flying not because of the high cost, but because of electronic document management ...

Now the big boss does not need to "fly" across all branches and departments.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ZVO

Nonsense is complete ... Now the big boss does not need to "fly" across all branches and departments.

The same nonsense. For some reason, they continue to fly on subsonic ones, despite electronic document management. Well, and would sit at home in front of the computer.

[Kasym]

Nonsense that sheikhs will buy such "aggregates"? The Saudi princes, of whom there are over a hundred, have their own Boeings, by the way, among many - or are not aware ?! Why would they not have one in several families - for them it is a matter of prestige ?! And here is such a supersonic “toy” for 200 million! Yes, do not go to the grandmother, they will trump each other with a bundle and "rhinestones".
Or what kind of economy do those BP bigwigs, Konako Philips or Gazprom, etc. have? They have their own fleets - what would they not buy, especially if they themselves produce, produce fuel, etc.
Therefore, dear, in my opinion, such an airplane will have its own niche in the market - there would be an offer. Is such a point of view is nonsense? If you want a dialogue, then with these words, a young man, do not scatter.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Svarog

and how it will turn out with a superjet ..

And what happened to the superjet?

[Svarog]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Svarog

and how it will turn out with a superjet ..

And what happened to the superjet?

Duc did not work, as before, piece production. When they planned the plane, they painted that they say the line for the car is 10 years in advance ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Svarog

Duc did not work, as before, piece production. When they planned the plane, they painted that they say the line for the car is 10 years in advance ..

Maybe it’s for the better than working at the warehouse, it’s better for specific orders. But, it seems, the production is not idle and there are orders.

[svp67]

The press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the possible volumes of demand for Russian supersonic aircraft

And will the demand for its design and creation PURCHASE that demand? How about this?
That the rich have nowhere to spend the money, so they decided to outdo the competition. Many have cool yachts, but only a select few have their own "passenger bomber". And there’s nothing that not every airport is ready to accept it, and not everyone has the fuel for its engines. The main thing here is PONTS. And what they often lead to, we also know ...

[KVU-NSVD]

Yes, there will be nothing - they will talk and forget. a dozen boards for show-offs will not buy the project or the board will be priced from a deep space area, and there are no guarantors of their purchase at the exit

[g1v2]

Well, here I already wrote at VO that I believe that it is time to revive the project of a supersonic civilian aircraft again. And that was long before Putin. I will briefly voice my reasons.
The global market for serious civil aviation is already divided. And nobody is waiting for us with our planes there. That is, with the help of politics, you can squeeze some part of the market, but you can’t get into the top like that. To return to the top aviation powers in the civilian aircraft industry, one must enter the market with a new product. Albeit a niche one, but one that has no competitors. A supersonic passenger or cargo, postal plane is the very top aviation technology. There will not be many competitors for him for a considerable time. So there is a chance to stake out a small, but extremely high-tech part of the market.
About the price. First, do not forget that a lot has changed since Tu144. There was a computer simulation, new automation systems to save the aircraft from pilot error, new materials, etc. That is, there is every chance to make a new aircraft better than that144. Secondly, it is necessary to form a market for him, and not wait for when this market itself appears. Wasn't there a tablet before Jobs with an iPad? There were, but it was he who convinced millions of people. that they need him. So it is here. We need an aggressive PR company, convincing that Maybachs and Bentles are for beggars, and the correct real boys fly only on Russian supersonic planes. So that sheikhs and billionaires stand in line behind them. There was no such niche in the USSR, it was hard to say how much a supersonic business jet would pay off, or it was hard to say. But one thing is certain - entering the market with such an aircraft will immediately return us to the top aviation powers. This means that ordinary planes will be better sold, since we can become a trendsetter for a while. My IMHO - I do not impose.

[Horse meat]

Not some show-offs, this is a strategic bomber, many fighter jets do not intercept the catastrophe before. Their fuel will run out.
And then they’ll get "free".
Plus spare parts and repairs will be cheaper.

[faiver]

it’s better to forget this quietly ...

[astepanov]

Quote: Svarog

long flights began to tire, if only for themselves.

And diapers for what?

[Piramidon]

Quote: astepanov

Quote: Svarog

long flights began to tire, if only for themselves.

And diapers for what?

But what, already there are no toilets, or is it just now that only the laziest in the comments diapers do not mention?

[Nemesis]

If this government could so provide the indigenous population of Russia and the Russian army with everything necessary, as it speaks, then a golden age would come in Russia ... and not this squalor ...

[SEER]

Quote: Nemesis

If this government could so provide the indigenous population of Russia and the Russian army with everything necessary, as it speaks, then a golden age would come in Russia ... and not this squalor ...

again ached \ cried ... to give a handkerchief? Well, so you wiped yourself off the snot.

[Nemesis]

And you do not want to spit on anti-popular reforms of the parishioners of the alcohol center ?! After your Yeltsin and Chubais killed in Russia tens of millions of Russian citizens of your party, they don’t have bloody dreams?! Well, of course, you should snatch more from Russia and take them to London ....

[SEER]

Quote: Nemesis

And you do not want to spit on anti-popular reforms of the parishioners of the alcohol center ?! After your Yeltsin and Chubais killed in Russia tens of millions of Russian citizens of your party, they don’t have bloody dreams?! Well, of course, you should snatch more from Russia and take them to London ....

how did you get with "my party"! how do you know which party is mine?
here and close kublo.
and when do your slogans end? completely forgot how normal people talk?

[Nemesis]

Normal people do not go to the alcohol center, and what your party is immediately visible, by your hiccups to my comments ...

[Romin]

Much has been said about the hole and enlightenment;))
But recently, such a feeling, the President of the Russian Federation not only lives in parallel Russia, but already specifically burns !!!
If it weren’t so sad, you can only rejoice at the “trolling” of officials! Which is perceived by anyone as a promise to action. But the sad thing is that the reverse medal of the sovereign system creeps out (it looks like an almost cult of personality, when no one dared to make a constructive addition across the opinion of the supreme leader and make arguments about thinking, and the words of the supreme are perceived as dogma).
Very alarming!
Confirming the perniciousness of the "royal" system.
As for the supersonic passenger airliners for 50 top managers, this is of course dullness of pure water.
Instead of developing high-speed railway trains of 250-300 km / h between the cities of Russia, let me remind you that we have a very long country. And if you look at how long it takes to get from point A to point B of the Russian Federation and compare it with the same indicators in China, Europe and Japan, then the Russian Federation for this indicator in the 19th century;)! And this is sad!
It is not necessary to remind about highways - Siberia-the Far East, Ural - roads of federal significance in places with soil, in places single-lane asphalt!
And according to economic models, economic growth is rigidly tied to the speed of movement of both cargo and human resources! Which leads to economic growth and productivity growth!
Most importantly, such models are tied to the infrastructure response of the economy. It has been tested in life in Germany, Europe, the States, Japan, China and other developed countries.
It is proven proven! No need to reinvent the wheel - you need to invest in the development of Russian infrastructure, and not in US securities.
And here, the President of the Russian Federation is thinking about a high-speed airplane for top managers!
Answer me - is it already senile ...?
Do you care?
Not understanding the real infrastructural situation with the country?
What is that?

[sabotage]

Quote: Romin

What is that?

This is a catastrophe.

[captain]

Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.

[KERMET]

Another country, with a different system, goals and environment. Now, at the head of everything, economic efficiency has been declared and it was under this flag that Soviet passenger aircraft were buried

[Grigory_45]

Quote: captain

and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR

But what, the Tu-104 was unprofitable?

[weksha50]

Quote: captain

Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.

Yes, it’s not about that ... Very different times and a different situation ...
Here a man under the nickname g1v2 expressed a more or less sensible thought, although personally I am against ...
Concord stopped flying for the main reason - the high cost of operation and maintenance ... On the profitability, unprofitability, there seemed to be no official speeches ...
To create a new Tu-144-2 for the sake of some sheikhs and billionaires in the expectation that they, like "cool boys", will seize their fingers and buy cool nishtyaks is another release of money into the air ... Just like that ... Similarly the way some males light cigarettes from 100-dollar bills ...
I myself began to feel a certain dilution of the brain ... They say: what is old, what is small ...
In general, the affairs in Russia, requiring both money and a powerful organization and control, are higher than over the edge ... And there is nothing to bring bad ideas ... Although ... Why not turn the river back, first of all, Moscow- the river? In order not to pollute the great Russian rivers Oka and Volga ...

[dauria]

What is that?

This is what:

"The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
And the boots stitch the pastry,
And things won’t work out.
Yes, and a hundredfold
What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
He forever others stubborn and foolish:
It’s better to ruin everything,
And glad soon
The laughing stock of becoming light
Than honest and knowledgeable people
Ask il to listen to reasonable advice. "

[Horse meat]

And what is the difference?
Tu-160 takes a load of 45 tons.
Set the maximum number of seats, expand the tanks and fill the fuel so that the weight is 45 tons of cargo.
Then look at what distances it is more economical to fly.

A dry super jet 100, how much bribe did you get from a Boeing to construct a fuselage with a width of 5 seats 2 + 3 place 6 seats 3 + 3 like a Boeing 737?
Stalin would have shot such traitors in revenge.

[Kent0001]

it is rapture by power. Have you been paying attention to his smile lately? This is the smile of a person who knows everything in advance, all the moves, for they are exclusively EOG and no one else. Soon we will live to the point of absurdity.

[Krev]

Survived! Here you are carrying it!

[Incvizitor]

So nobody needed that 144, but who will fly on this?

[notingem]

Tagil rules

[APASUS]

Something Vova suffered, then he rushed to compare socialism with religious movements, then build jet liners. Is everything in the country so good?

[Krev]

And by and large, the president is right. Socialism was positioned in this way - it will come and you will be happy, you will heal like in paradise. Yes, and the slogans were in tune, such as man, man, friend, brother, etc. Let's not go further, everyone already knows ..

What do you propose to do the whole country? Everywhere and everywhere to catch up with developed countries? So we will remain forever catching up!
Let me remind you, another example from the space industry, the USSR began to study space immediately after the war in a country destroyed to the Volga, with a starving population without developed infrastructure, etc. Maybe then it was not necessary? Were they wrong then !? They are right, and even how, because how they became the first in outer space so still in the lead, despite the efforts of the Rogozins and the dashing 90s. What a jolt it gave then! It is difficult to imagine Russia now without space, which began to be lifted in a crushed country then.
What kind of small-town thinking - if they don’t do it in the west, then we won’t, where are we to go ... But then, bam, their Jobs have already riveted tablets, now we are smart, we can start to catch up .... Forward and with the song, we’ll even have a place in the market there. Place exclusively consumer! Nah-nah such logic !!!

For Russia, being a leader in development is a matter of survival!

[atesterev]

And I like the offer! Special board for dropping the economic bloc of the government on the heads of adversaries ... Brilliant!

[Labor]

The main thing is that GDP conducts good marketing! Then the payback and the rest will be.

Quote: Kasym

It must be assumed that the Arabian sheikhs with their families will boast of having such an aircraft in their hangar. . All sorts of cool Western concerns and companies will also want to have such a miracle. To have such an airplane is a sign of prestige and wealth. Like those Lamborghini or Bentley with the Maybach.

[prior]

The proposal for a supersonic passenger plane at a time when a large part of the country's population cannot afford ordinary air travel is already beyond.

[Mountain shooter]

Who is this and where can not fly? Can it be in numbers? Then recently flew to Izhevsk. So the coupe is close for the money. Only a very long time ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Who is this and where can not fly?

not ordinary people, of course. Actually, we are not even talking about an airliner. About a jet superjet for moneybags, which will be more like show-offs and a tribute to prestige than objective necessity. Like, see what I have in my garage! Former bomber!

[faiver]

fly to us in yakutia and then kudan to the north and you will understand not in numbers but in your own skin
in our country it is more expensive to fly at 800-1500km than fly to 5tys. km to Moscow, no train, roads are relative ...

[Rem411]

GDP just doesn’t say anything, most likely the project already lies under the cloth, the project was reported at the plant, the demand was probably also calculated, voiced in a closed report. GDP gave the go-ahead. Part of the investment in upgrading the Tu-160 may pay off.

[faiver]

nonsense, research and development on changes will gobble up a lot of time and money ...

[Mountain shooter]

Supersonic will never be massive. But to have such a passenger that can throw you in Vladik in 4 hours - well, sometimes for any money - it is necessary.

[faiver]

Why do you need Vladik for 4 hours?

[Gray brother]

Quote: faiver

Why do you need Vladik for 4 hours?

Drink a beer, look at the sunrise. Romance.

[loginovich]

It is also reported that for the design and creation of the first demonstration flight model of a civilian airliner based on the Tu-160 with a capacity of up to 50 passenger seats it may take about 8 years - when accounting for the backlog of engines.

[Quote] [/ quote]
After re-election successfully forgotten. and remember the election of the 24th year.

[Romin]

Quote: captain

Be courageous and find out on the basis of which jet bomber the first jet passenger plane was blinded in the USSR.

I agree! But one must live by the realities of the 21st century.
And this is economics - profitability and frozenness.
So we take the calculator and count.
According to the Tu-144 and Concord, the mathematics turned out to be not comforting.
And everything is relative.
Cost-effective for passengers and airlines to operate with modern subsonic sides.
I’m ready to bet that the Tu-160 project does not have any comparable profitability in passenger transportation compared to the Tu-204/14.

[Kent0001]

Che money nowhere to go? Or is this another tricky election plan? Zadolbalo is all. Yesterday nobody needed this nafik, and today the government is discussing ... a new channel sawed the state dough (among friends and its own) for several years ahead from the filing of the guarantor. It is true that with good intentions the road is lined up you yourself know where. Rather, March 19, so that this circus has already stopped.

[san4es]

The government talked about the likely demand for a civilian version of a supersonic aircraft

...In queue

Lockheed Martin Helps Aerion Build AS2 Business Supersonic Aircraft

... In the meantime, the Cessna Citation X is the fastest civilian aircraft in the world
(maximum recorded flight speed - 1153 km / h)

[Aviator_]

Well, absolute nonsense and cut funds - the conversion of a combat heavy supersonic aircraft into a passenger one.

[san4es]

Quote: Aviator_

Well, absolute nonsense and cut funds - the conversion of a combat heavy supersonic aircraft into a passenger one.

... It is unlikely - they too literally accepted. Small business jet will be limited

[Aviator_]

A small business jet is real. But what does the alteration of the Tu-160 have to do with it?

[san4es]

... Not at all .. Thought with the "passenger", tied to it, due to illiteracy.

[Horse meat]

Not a remake, but a remake.
Just built the Tu-160 from scratch, and the passenger will be built.

[faiver]

Why trifle then? let's sculpt a death star right away

[ZVS]

30 aircraft is a huge loss. The payback period for projects with 100 aircraft is 10 years, and even for the entire life of the project, the project will not pay off.
Make engines, and the glider is the second thing.

[SEER]

you read most of the commentators and wonder:
all the same smart, they know everything about everything - even though now put on the presidency, steer the country ...
PySy: "if you are so smart, then you don’t go to build?" (with)

[Chicot 1]

Quote: SEER

"if you are so smart then you don’t go on the line?" (with)

But that’s why we don’t walk, because the smart ones ...

[SEER]

Quote: Chicot 1

Quote: SEER

"if you are so smart then you don’t go on the line?" (with)

But that’s why we don’t walk, because the smart ones ...

Well, you do not belong to those, dear

[Horse meat]

Tu-160 is three times more than Tu-144.
What are 8 years old, why is it, who came up with what to wait for 8 years?
Everything is ready, cut windows, put chairs and go.

[16112014nk]

Quote: siberalt

In the USSR, a Tu-144 ticket cost six times more than a regular flight.

Tu-144 flew only along the route Moscow - Alma-Ata. The ticket cost 68 rubles. During the flight, passengers were offered cognac and black caviar sandwiches! With a capacity of 140 seats, usually 80 passengers flew. In general, the plane was very uneconomical.
On an ordinary plane, a ticket cost 48 rubles.

[Stoler]

One question torments me (WELL HERE FOR HORSE !!! ????

[Mixail sterx]

I read such a version that when selling civilian versions, Russia puts a pig under the US missile defense, since the military cannot be distinguished from the civilian on radars, and by all means the USA is unlikely to shoot ....

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Mixail Sterx

I read such a version that when selling civilian versions, Russia puts a pig under the US missile defense, since the military cannot be distinguished from the civilian on radars, and the US is unlikely to shoot at all

Wow, everything is abstruse))
First, where does the missile defense system? She is not against airplanes, but against missiles. A rocket differs from an airplane, however)
Secondly, what light head does it take to launch passenger airliners over a war zone? What happens, we all know

[Mixail sterx]

and the planes aren’t shot down from cannons) ... the more planes are produced, the cheaper one comes out ... I think they come from this, and remaking from finished to another is cheaper than new .... and I think they will buy the same China ... from them no strategic bomber of this level.

[Grigory_45]

Tu-160 will launch its missiles outside the air defense coverage area (if it is not intercepted by fighters at the turn of the line). After that, it remains only to shoot down his missiles.

Quote: Mixail Sterx

the more aircraft produced, the cheaper one goes

provided that the aircraft same type. And that is not a fact. Thirty (even if there will be so many, although I doubt that a dozen will be typed) business jets converted from a missile carrier can only be said to be at a loss.

Quote: Mixail Sterx

and I think they will buy the same China ... they don’t have a strategic bomber of this level

But what does a civilian liner have to do with it? How does it compare with the "bombing vehicle for China"?

[Grigory_45]

I'm not saying that you are going to present the "heritage of the republic"?

[weddu]

It would be better if they brought the Tu-334CM to mind, and let it go into the series, well, at least. After all, according to the plans of the Lubavitcher ...

[Aviator_]

Tu-334 was brought to mind and certified. But the ambitions of Poghosyan with his RRJ-100 (he is called the "super budget") buried the Tu-334. This didn’t help Pogosyan, he flew off from all his posts, now the rector of the Moscow Aviation Institute, although he does not even have the title of assistant professor.

[Medalist]

"Tatar-Mongol yoke" of the sample of 1991 in all its glory.
The occupiers captured absolutely everything, crushed the country, almost completely destroyed the entire industry and organized endless wars between siblings.
What is there to say? Hitler could not inflict such damage on our Motherland as these "rulers of darkness"
Russian People - WAKE UP!
Turn to the Lord God in congregation with a repentant prayer: "Deliver us from the servants of the crafty demon, Lord!"
Their goal is to destroy all, to corrupt and lead astray from the "true path"

[jonht]

I read it, neighing, I felt sad .... From the logic of some, they switched from propeller to jet aircraft, it’s not clear, because “logic” says propellers eat less fuel, and they need a shorter strip .... Let's all again on the screw drive
Upon the restructuring of the Tu-160, the first is the evolutionary development of aviation, as a stepping stone to the next stage - hypersound. Secondly, structurally, the airframe and avionics have already been worked out and do not require large expenses, there are problems with the engines, so if you do not develop this area, then nothing will change. Thirdly, the development of supersonic airliners is carried out by all major aircraft manufacturers, but no one has such achievements as ours, and not taking advantage of the existing advantage now means playing catch-up again.
And for everyone who remembers only about the economy of flights, tickets for airships along the Kaliningrad-Anadyr route

[Grigory_45]

Quote: jonht

I read, neighing, sad

After reading your comment, I experienced those de emotions) Purely naive philistine look of a blonde)

Quote: jonht

after all, "logic" says screw consume less fuel

not logic says, but engineering calculation, confirmed by the experience of operating supersonic airliners. Neither the Concord nor the Tu-144 were cost-effective. “Concords” generally handed over to airlines for 1 pound, if only the planes flew! If you had the beginnings of education, you would know that having exceeded the Mach number. fuel consumption rises sharply. In addition, the "two-swing" planes are not eating ordinary kerosene - but expensive thermostable.

Quote: jonht

Secondly, structurally, glider and avionics have already been developed and do not require large expenditures,

utter nonsense. The civilian airliner and the Tu-160 will be very different both in terms of glider and avionics.
So, our dear smiling, before you start to smile, you need to understand at least if this is not a smile for the one who fell on his helmet

[jonht]

Know a lot of "BLONDS" among the engineers of leading aircraft manufacturing companies, the poor do not know that you have put an end to them on all projects and handed them over to the archive ....
And in KB there are so many topics of hypersound ...... M, yes ... Everyone, disperse everyone!
1. The glider is primarily aerodynamics and the layout of components and mechanisms, and yet it is very good with the Tu-160, while someone does not cancel the fact of internal processing (re-arrangement) of volume.
2. Engines are already being developed for the new Swan, and as you may have noticed, they went far ahead from the end of the 60s. In addition, R&D is conducted on mixed supersonic-hypersonic engines.
3. Is avionics in your vision the same 60-70s? Companies such as Boeing and Airbus have lagged behind life .... Yes, and the continuous problems with adapting the avionics already used on the Tu-160 are simply not solvable .... Byad ....
4. The young lady, a woman from a blonde, is purely physiologically no different.

[Vkd dvk]

The crap shoved by another Chubais.
Russia has so much money that there’s nowhere to put it. To transport a couple of hundred patented swindlers abroad per year.

[Star]

Utopia, verified by the USSR.

[stone]

Well, right now the USSR is in fashion. Well, the end will be about the same.

[armourer]

Quote: Silkway0026

Che the guarantor drove. religion ... now planes ... I'm worried

But I also thought about it, why reassemble the bike. There is a base, but it will be visible there

[MadCat]

There are real customers, or again a projection of "misunderstood geniuses," to cut a few billion, and make a tearful movie about an unparalleled world that didn’t have another 100500 billion to develop ...

[Zaurbek]

The main idea is for Tupolev to master the production of a civilian aircraft (military and specialist orders for long-range vehicles are not eternal). But with a civilian supersonic aircraft they were too smart ... economically, with modern technologies, it is unprofitable. Boeing already tested the last Tu-144 with NK engines from the Tu 160go

[Fkjydjckfrgh]

Damn, well, who are they holding us all for? “Superjet”, after all, at every airport.

[sabotage]

And what is the TU-160 cruising speed?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: sabotage

And what is the TU-160 cruising speed?

in my opinion subsonic, something in the region of 950 km / h

[sabotage]

So what kind of supersonic airliner are we talking about? He will go to afterburner, and every 15 minutes he will suck at the tanker?

[Grigory_45]

so he has a range on it of about 14 thousand km. Tu-144 on two Machs could cover only 5 thousand miles. And this one can roughly