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The current contract and the aircraft of the future: the new Tu-160 is in the series

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Since 2015, one of the main topics in the context of the rearmament of the Russian army has been the reconstruction program for the construction of the Tu-160 strategic bombers. Over a period of time, a number of enterprises aviation the industry was preparing for the release of new machines, and a few days ago these works led to yet another real results. The first aircraft of the new construction took off, and the manufacturer received an order for a new series of such machines.



Photo: Marina Lystseva https://fotografersha.livejournal.com


Information about the start of flight tests of the first Tu-160M new construction appeared on January 24. According to TASS, the new machine with the serial number 08-04 performed its first flight the week before last (January 15-21). The unnamed source indicated that the necessary checks of the aircraft would be completed within a few months, and by the end of this year the car would be handed over to the customer in the face of aerospace forces. Official confirmation of similar news, however, did not arrive.


Photo: Marina Lystseva https://fotografersha.livejournal.com


Last Thursday, January 25, at the Kazan Aviation Plant. S.P. Gorbunova, involved in the construction of the Tu-160 aircraft, with the official visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The head of state was shown the process of building new and updating existing machines. In addition, in connection with the visit of the country's leadership, the next test flight became a demonstration flight. The Tu-160M aircraft named “Pyotr Deinekin” was shown to the president in the air. During his visit to the plant, V. Putin and high-ranking leaders of the Ministry of Defense signed a new agreement, and also made a number of statements disclosing current plans to upgrade long-range aviation.

Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov and President of the United Aircraft Building Corporation Yury Slyusar signed a contract for the construction of the first batch of production Tu-160M new construction. Reportedly, each of the ten aircraft ordered will build more than 15 billion rubles. The production of this batch allocated 160 billion. The construction of the ordered machines will continue over the next few years. According to V. Putin, the new contract will ensure a full load of the Kazan aircraft factory before 2027.

According to reports, the new aircraft with the number 08-04, already undergoing flight tests, will be transferred to the armed forces before the end of this year. The first of the new Tu-160M, envisaged by the contract of 25 in January, is planned to transfer to the customer in 2023 year. After that, the cars will regularly leave the assembly shop and, after the necessary checks, go to the duty station.

Over the past few years, high-ranking representatives of the Ministry of Defense have repeatedly raised the issue of the volume of new production of long-range bombers. According to these statements, before 2035, aerospace forces will need to get 50 new Tu-160М2. The possibility of executing such plans within the specified time frame has become expectedly the subject of separate disputes and discussions, but the military department has not yet talked about changing its intentions.

It is known that the industry will have to hand over fifty new aircraft from 2023 to 2035 years. It is easy to calculate what pace of work is needed to implement such plans. Beginning with 2023, industry will have to transfer at least three production aircraft to the military department every year. Moreover, after each delivery of a new car, a comparable number of bombers must remain on the stocks at different stages of construction. This will allow to realize the existing plans, at least, without a serious delay in the schedule.



President V. Putin noted that the new contract for production aircraft will allow the Kazan aircraft company to be fully loaded for the next nine years. This statement can be considered a transparent allusion to the expected timing of the new contract. Thus, the process of putting the first ten cars can take about four years. How such rates of production will correlate with the need to assemble and deliver new batches of equipment has not yet been specified.

At the moment, it can be assumed that the called dates for the transfer of the 50 aircraft in the form of the mid-thirties will not be sustained, and they will have to be moved to the right. For all its benefits to the military, the current program for building new bombers is extremely complex and expensive. As a result, its implementation will take a lot of time, up to several decades.

Of great interest is the financial side of the new program. Earlier it was reported that research and development work, as well as updating the production capacity of the Kazan aircraft factory, necessary to start the construction of new-modified aircraft, will cost about 37 billion rubles. The first ten aircraft out of five required will cost the army 160 billion. If current prices are maintained, the total cost of fifty aircraft can reach 800 billion rubles. A possible increase in costs can significantly increase this number.

Since the decision to resume construction of the Tu-160 and to the present, only one aircraft has been assembled. It should be noted that recent work differs from the following by some simplicity. From the beginning of the nineties, when the further serial construction of the first modified bombers was canceled, four unfinished machines remained at the Kazan Aviation Plant. One of them was completed in 2016-17 and now, having received its own name "Peter Deynekin", has been put to the test.

Using the existing groundwork will allow Kazan aircraft manufacturers to build three more missile carriers relatively quickly and easily, but this will not give all the desired results. According to the results of completion of the three reserves, a new order for 10 machines will be fulfilled only by a third. Thus, from a certain time, the Kazan Aviation Plant will have to launch a full-fledged new production of aircraft with the manufacture of all the necessary units from scratch.

According to the United Aircraft Corporation, the plant has already completed most of the preparatory work. In particular, key construction technologies were restored. Last year, the line of electron beam welding of titanium aggregates of the aircraft's central beam was launched again. A large transverse beam with a mass of the order of 6 t is one of the main elements of the Tu-160 power set and actually assembles the fuselage, center section and movable cantilevers into a single structure. In the manufacture of such a beam, it is necessary to make a large number of welds with a total length of 140 m. The available technologies allow welding at high speeds - up to 36 m / h.



Another important innovation is the updated approach to the creation of design documentation. The updated draft strategic bomber is created in digital form. At the same time, the leading aviation design bureaus of the country were involved in its creation - together with the Tupolev design bureau, which created the initial project, the firms Beriev, Ilyushin, Sukhoi and Yakovlev worked on the updated machine. With the help of secure communication channels, a network was created, designated as a “distributed design office”. The use of such an approach to design has reduced costs and accelerated the implementation of the necessary work.

However, the necessary design work has not yet been completed. A TASS source in the middle of last week reported that the fully digitized documentation on the updated aircraft was not yet ready. It is planned to be completed no earlier than the middle of this year. Only after this new documents can be used in the construction of mass aircraft of the updated version.

According to known data, now we are talking about the construction of new aircraft in the configuration of the Tu-160M. Machines of this configuration are already being used in long-range aviation, but they were originally the Tu-160 of the base modification, which was subsequently repaired and modernized. Now the aircraft of the updated version will be built using the groundwork or from scratch.

The project with the letter "M" provides for the replacement of flight-navigation equipment and airborne communications. Also proposed the installation of a new radar station and modern means of electronic warfare. Equipment control weapons provides the possibility of using modern missiles. The design of the airframe while not undergoing major changes. The type of power plant also does not change.

New serial bombers will relate to a promising modification of the Tu-160М2. This project again implies a serious upgrade of electronic equipment with the installation of modern systems and facilities. It is alleged that the aircraft version "M2" will have combat effectiveness, 60% higher than the corresponding indicators of a simple Tu-160.

The program to resume the construction of strategic missile carriers Tu-160 is of great importance for the development of long-range aviation of aerospace forces. Until 1992, when construction stopped, the industry of more than three dozen aircraft of this type, including prototypes. Subsequently, managed to finish building two more cars. Due to the well-known events of the nineties, about half of the machines built have survived to our time. The 16 serial bombers are currently serving at Engels Air Base. In terms of their numbers, the existing Tu-160 are noticeably inferior to the long-range Tu-95MS and Tu-22М3 bombers, which account for dozens.



With the successful implementation of the existing plans for the construction of fifty new bombers, the total number of Tu-160 will exceed 50-60 units. At the same time, all or almost all such machines will belong to the new versions of the “M” or “М2”. The gradual write-off of aircraft that have developed their resources at some point will make the new Tu-160М2 the most numerous representatives of Russian long-range aviation.

The mass production of the Tu-160М2 in the distant future will allow the decommissioning of morally and physically obsolete Tu-95MS aircraft to start. At about the same time, troops will be able to get new long-range bombers being developed as part of the Advanced Aviation Complex of the Long-Range Aviation (PAK DA) program. Until a certain time, the share of the PAK DA in long-range aviation will not be too large. Due to this, as well as due to the gradual abandonment of turboprop Tu-95MS, an increase in the relative quantity of Tu-160М2 should be observed. Thus, such a technique will not only allow updating the fleet of bombers, but also “close” a specific period of rearmament.

The last of the Tu-50М160 bombers planned for the 2 order will arrive in the army at least in the mid-thirties. At the same time, a noticeable shift in terms is possible due to the complexity and high cost of the project. Anyway, the construction of fifty new missile carriers will ensure the correct operation of long-range aviation of the VCS over the next few decades. Some of the Tu-160 available in the troops were built in the late eighties, but after a number of repairs and upgrades they are able to continue their service. Given the life of these machines, you can imagine how many bombers can serve, which are to be commissioned in the mid-thirties.

The main objective of the project Tu-160М2 is to update the long-range aviation of the armed forces. However, in the future, this machine may contribute to the development of other areas. Thus, during the January 25 events, V. Putin proposed to consider the issue of creating a civilian modification of a supersonic bomber. The head of the United Aircraft Building Corporation Y. Slusar noted that the industry already has some groundwork on this topic.

Several years of work aimed at the resumption of serial production of strategic missile carriers, lead to real results. In the late autumn of last year, the first Tu-160, built on the basis of the available reserve, was transferred to the test station, and began flight tests a couple of weeks ago. A few days ago came the first contract for the construction of serial machines of this type. Production of fifty desired bomber will take a lot of time, but already the first steps have been taken, approximating the desired result.


On the materials of the sites:
http://tass.ru/
https://ria.ru/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
http://uacrussia.ru/
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 30 January 2018 06: 27
    +3
    soon the fairy tale affects ... all the dates given will be traditionally rescheduled, ..
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 30 January 2018 07: 41
      +7
      Grandfather
      soon the fairy tale affects ... all the dates given will be traditionally rescheduled, ..
      Tea is not the USSR now. By November 7 and the CPSU plenary session, you don’t need to launch rockets and planes. Now the main thing is to earn more money on anything. Our entire elite lives like that. 100% ALL. Therefore, this song can be endless
      V. Putin suggested considering the creation of a civilian modification of a supersonic bomber.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 30 January 2018 10: 25
        +6
        Quote: Observer2014
        Tea is not the USSR now. By November 7 and the Plenum of the CPSU, rockets and planes do not need to be launched

        Well, yes .... only the “fittings” raw to the Square-can .... (doesn’t it remind anything?) and trumpet about the T-50 eight years ago ...
        1. raw174
          raw174 30 January 2018 10: 50
          +2
          Quote: Dead Day
          .Only the “armature” raw to the Square-can .... (doesn’t it resemble anything?) and trumpet about the T-50 eight years ago ...

          This is a promotion. Weapons today are primarily goods, and only then a means of defense and attack. The hype was raised in advance, so that buyers prepared money.
          1. sabotage
            sabotage 30 January 2018 11: 13
            +6
            Quote: raw174
            This is a promotion. Weapons today are primarily goods, and only then a means of defense and attack. The hype was raised in advance, so that buyers prepared money.

            Yeah, the president of Nicaragua has not had dinner for 3 years already - he is saving up for Armata ...
            1. raw174
              raw174 30 January 2018 12: 27
              +1
              Quote: sabotage
              Yeah, the president of Nicaragua has not had dinner for 3 years already - he is saving up for Armata ...

              Well, they may not save in Nicaragua, but Asian countries will take a closer look ... India, the same Syria will soon start to buy other Iran.
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 30 January 2018 12: 34
                +5
                Yes, yes, they will buy a loan for 20 years, and then the new Putin will forgive all debts. Due to our taxes.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 30 January 2018 13: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: cast iron
                  Yes, yes, they will buy a loan for 20 years, and then the new Putin will forgive all debts. Due to our taxes.

                  Here I found information: “in 2015, our country sold weapons for $ 14,5 billion.”, Russia is the second-largest arms exporter in the world, and who is given a loan now? Do not share?
                  1. megavolt823
                    megavolt823 30 January 2018 17: 06
                    +1
                    all that is needed is already there. what is not, they will buy and make. we are not the USSR. we are not going to conquer the world. a state is capable of breaking up another state without straining too much. Syria as an example. no need to vomit. not everything is fine with us. we need stability. no need to listen to anal alexeyka. I hope you have finished school. no, Putin did not attach a dream. the state lives as it can afford. a country lives as another state allows it. I survived 90. I know the difference. be careful with desires, accomplished desires can be horrifying. good luck! hi
                  2. sabotage
                    sabotage 30 January 2018 22: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: raw174
                    Do not share?

                    Everyone and everything. There are no transactions for pure cache between countries for such large amounts, except for rare exceptions. Since such dances will bring down any national currency. Therefore, when selling weapons and military equipment, the supplier receives some goods, services. If the mutual trade turnover cannot cover the transaction amount, then a budget loan arises in Russia, the funds of which are supplied with the IWT data and then the creditor settles with the state and not with the supplier.

                    And to read about Syria, which will buy something ... But what shisha?
                    1. raw174
                      raw174 31 January 2018 06: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: sabotage
                      Everyone and everything.

                      The answer from the category: "Yes, everyone knows this, there the neighbor said" ...
                      Quote: sabotage
                      There are no transactions for pure cache between countries for such large amounts

                      But bargaining is not only for money, but also for interests, for the opportunity to influence in the regions, for support in international affairs. For example, China, today it buys airplanes from us, apparently to copy and make its own, pays + it supports on the international agenda, so China supported the position of the Russian Federation that the coup in Ukraine was carried out from the USA.
                      Quote: sabotage
                      And to read about Syria, which will buy something ... But what shisha?

                      If you think in the key of today, you won’t buy it, but we’ve been in the SAR for 50 years, and order will be restored there, now we have influence in this region and our weapons there. In the SAR there is oil (otherwise what the United States would do there), and oil = money. So it’s quite realistic that in 5-10 years they will start purchasing for petrodollars.
                      1. sabotage
                        sabotage 31 January 2018 07: 36
                        0
                        Quote: raw174
                        But bargaining is not only for money, but also for interests, for the opportunity to influence in the regions, for support in international affairs.

                        That is free. There is no influence, no success.

                        Quote: raw174
                        We are in the SAR for 50 years

                        We are in the SAR while pulling a pipe to Turkey.

                        Quote: raw174
                        There is oil in the SAR (otherwise what would the United States do there)

                        Apart from the fact that the United States has nowhere to put its oil, why the hell did they get Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states?
                2. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 31 January 2018 22: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: cast iron
                  debt will be bought for 20 years, and then the new Putin will forgive all debts

                  New? No.
                  1. cast iron
                    cast iron 31 January 2018 23: 43
                    0
                    New, same. Only younger and with a different surname. The population enthusiastically votes for the ghouls-capitalists.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 1 February 2018 00: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: cast iron
                      Only younger and with a different surname.

                      Why are you younger? Are you not an extremist?
                      In 2037, Vladimir Vladimirovich will be only 85 years old. Mugabe, for example, was asked to leave at 93 years old. Gaddafi, however, in 71, but he stayed in the national leaders for 42 years, with our money the 2041st.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 30 January 2018 09: 39
    +2
    Of course, grandiose plans, but what if the war is tomorrow? Enemies will wait for the rearmament of Russia?
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 30 January 2018 10: 26
      0
      Quote: andrewkor
      Of course, grandiose plans, but what if the war is tomorrow? Enemies will wait for the rearmament of Russia?

      do they have a choice? wassat
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 January 2018 10: 32
      +1
      Even 9 women will not give birth to a baby in 1 month .... even tomorrow, even after tomorrow. As they build, they will. In the end, the main thing here is the X-55, X-101/102 ... and the carrier is secondary. I hope the range of ammunition will be expanded for the Tu-160, following the example of American strategists.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 31 January 2018 00: 49
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        In the end, the main thing here is the KR X-55, X-101/102 ... and the carrier is secondary

        truth? Will the missiles themselves fly, including to the launch line? Wow, what clever rockets we started to do) Or grab an armpit, and on a steam train to Paris. yes from the Eiffel Tower from the catapult towards the Capitol?
        Four years after the United States, the USSR had a bonbon nucleus, but there were no carriers. Remember the epic with the first Soviet "strategists"
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 January 2018 08: 19
          0
          There are carriers - Tu-95MS .... and the KR with a nuclear warhead anyway where to start. in this case, the Tu-160 has only an advantage in pieces ... All the bells and whistles of the new bombers give greater flexibility in the use of the KR with a conventional warhead (which was not the case before).
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 31 January 2018 12: 01
            +1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            There are carriers - Tu-95MS

            which is a hundred years old at lunch and which has long to change. By the way, you did not allocate Tu-95 at all, but simply said
            Quote: Zaurbek
            carrier is secondary


            Quote: Zaurbek
            KR with YABCH anyway where to start

            truth? Then, perhaps, it is better to build underground mines somewhere in the Urals or in Siberia? And then, you know, the plane still has to spend money. train pilots ...
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 31 January 2018 15: 08
              0
              Quote: Gregory_45
              one hundred years old at lunch

              Do you think it’s one hundred years from 1992 to 2018? Look at the USA the last plane was built in 1962 and they are going to operate them until 2040
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 31 January 2018 15: 23
                +1
                It is not necessary to cite Americans as an example, I am aware. You read all the correspondence, what did I discuss with the respected Zaurbek?
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 31 January 2018 15: 54
              0
              Aircraft give great flexibility in application ... the launch point changes, you can already change the coordinates of targets, etc. The carrier is secondary! What is the difference where the KR will fly from, with Tu160 or 95MS? If you do not need to break through the air defense zones at the Super Sound? Instead of one Tu-160 (for money), you can build two subsonic 4-turbojet aircraft of equal payload ....
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 31 January 2018 16: 56
                +1
                Apparently, you have on board a Kyrgyz aircraft with a range of ICBMs? And does the enemy have air defense only directly above important objects? Well, then why, I propose the cheapest option - to surrender a huge airship)) Do not fly yourself for months, do not forget to throw food on board and sometimes change the crew)
                Judging by your thoughts, and stealth is not really needed. Why, if no one sees him? And indeed a special bomber is a relic of the past. Cram more rockets into a civilian airliner - and this is the point)
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 31 January 2018 17: 19
                  0
                  Open a map of our Motherland and look, our northern borders are washed by the Arctic Ocean. And look how many kilometers from the ocean to the United States ... or to Alaska ... It’s more difficult to fly to other regions (there are airfields of NATO countries everywhere)
                2. bk0010
                  bk0010 31 January 2018 22: 07
                  0
                  Why build something? They put the Kyrgyz Republic into the cargo compartment of the IL-76, flew up to the launch area, where the men rocked the rockets ...
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 1 February 2018 08: 11
                    0
                    Theoretically, you are right ... but the IL-76 cannot barrage for long in the air ... it will have to take off on command, and the runway or airfield can be destroyed unexpectedly by the enemy’s KR. And the Tupolevs in the threatened period are constantly in the air patrolling along the borders ...
  3. viktorch
    viktorch 30 January 2018 10: 30
    +2
    well, the program of prospective beavers was frustrated, it wouldn’t be possible for stealth, it’s impossible to build a new plane for Russia without the USSR’s backlog, we can rivet Soviet carcasses as fast as we can, and if war tomorrow there will be an attempt to throw corpses, in the end for the Russian elite, the people - consumables, which it is high time to write off the balance sheet.
    1. raw174
      raw174 30 January 2018 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: viktorch
      it’s impossible to build a new plane for Russia without a backlog of the USSR, we will rivet Soviet carcasses we can quickly

      Isn’t it normal when evolution is taking place? when the old improve to a new level? Or invent a bicycle every time? Or do the modern developments of our defense industry not meet the requirements?
      Quote: viktorch
      and if war tomorrow - there will be an attempt to shower with corpses,

      If there is a war tomorrow, then the pilots will have nowhere to land, because it will be nuclear and therefore it will not be.
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 30 January 2018 12: 09
        +1
        Well, let's make a boom instead of armata as part of the evolution of t34-1942,
        I don’t need to get along if the new bomber is not possible to create now, why are these fig sheets about evolution, so we need to say new things, we can’t modernize the old

        don’t rely on the nuclear baton especially, you should not forget the precedents of the first and second Chechen
        1. raw174
          raw174 30 January 2018 12: 36
          +3
          Quote: viktorch
          Well, let's make a boom instead of armata as part of the evolution of t34-1942,

          That’s how development is going on, have you just jumped in half a century? from T-34 and KV-1, our tank builders came to T-14. Yes, this is a fundamentally new tank, but the school has been developed for decades and the traditions of tank building are not poached. From I-16 and earlier models we came to SU-57. The strategist has special tasks and we will solve them in a special way. If the glider meets the requirements, why radically change it? They report a complete modernization of the filling, this is enough for today and tomorrow! It’s better to think about a new missile and its guidance, but here our defense system also works!
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 31 January 2018 00: 55
          +3
          Quote: viktorch
          Well, let's make a boom instead of armata as part of the evolution of t34-1942

          if you follow the development line of domestic tanks. then you will be surprised to find. that T-14 is the evolutionary descendant of the Victory tank (T-34 - T-44 - T-54/55, T-62 - T-64 - T-72/80/90). In your opinion, this was not necessary. It was necessary to wait until “Armata” ripened. So that at once - bam - and from the hatch of the “thirty-four” to the tank of the XNUMXst century)) Bingo! Andersen will envy you too
        3. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 31 January 2018 00: 59
          +2
          Quote: viktorch
          if there’s no way to create a new bomber now,

          and the Tu-160M2 is the "old" bomber? Do you judge by name (not changed, errody !!!) or by glider? And our incredible friends? Someone are they going to modernize the B-52 and keep them in service until 2045? Let me remind you that the B-52 is the same age as the Tu-95, if that
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 31 January 2018 22: 10
            0
            The glider is old, the engines are old, what is unknown with avionics. So yes, not at the peak of progress. And strategists are not so critical for our incredible friends: they have a lot of bases around us, they can relax with impunity.
    2. sabotage
      sabotage 30 January 2018 11: 18
      0
      Quote: viktorch
      and if war tomorrow - there will be an attempt to shower corpses, in the end for the Russian elite, the people are consumables, which it is high time to write off from balance.

      C'mon, not only for IllITki. In the Russian army, ordinary lieutenants and sergeants do not appreciate ordinary soldiers. Captains and majors do not appreciate lieutenants and sergeants. All spit on their subordinates. It doesn’t happen that you are one D'Artagnan, and around you are dishonorable people.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 30 January 2018 11: 24
        +1
        There are already no soldiers in such numbers and the masses of such losses will not be forgiven ... the times are not the same.
      2. raw174
        raw174 30 January 2018 12: 38
        +2
        Quote: sabotage
        Everyone spat on their subordinates

        Have you served for a long time? You are apparently unlucky with the military unit ...
        1. sabotage
          sabotage 30 January 2018 22: 08
          0
          Give me the part number. I’ll go there on an excursion.
          1. raw174
            raw174 31 January 2018 06: 53
            +2
            Quote: sabotage
            Give me the part number. I’ll go there on an excursion

            Which part? I ask you, did you serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to judge so? Do you know the situation from the inside?
            1. sabotage
              sabotage 31 January 2018 07: 26
              0
              Of course not served. I can think with my head, not my feet.

              Come on to your part, where they didn’t spit on the soldiers.
              1. raw174
                raw174 31 January 2018 07: 36
                +2
                Quote: sabotage
                Of course not served.

                Well, how do you then judge who pities whom? Based on the films of Bondarchuk and Western Major Payne? I will tell you a secret, in the army it is not customary to humiliate and insult the personnel without any reason. The team is male, severe, but mostly fair. The hierarchy is also non-statutory, but in general the climate is normal. The commanders, for the most part, value subordinates exactly as much as the soldier showed himself in service and in everyday life.
                Quote: sabotage
                I can think with my head, not my feet.

                The army is not only about kicking, although they too))) I served after the university, after the service, while working, I graduated from another university in absentia, so that one does not interfere with the other.
      3. vitalm
        vitalm 30 January 2018 19: 02
        +1
        What are you saying, man with a white ticket, oktsya not a bramsha machine
  4. Troll
    Troll 30 January 2018 11: 35
    0
    The photo is lying .. Where is the red cable from the one taking off in the second photo?
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 31 January 2018 01: 01
      +2
      Quote: Troll
      Where is the red cable from the take-off in the second photo?

      Kerosene again painted in the wrong color? laughing
  5. rumatam
    rumatam 30 January 2018 11: 59
    +1
    again, idle talk, Urya, Urya, red car ..... Why collect it will be, these were collected from what was inherited from the USSR.
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 30 January 2018 12: 23
      +1
      And that Russia has become impoverished with plywood?
    2. raw174
      raw174 30 January 2018 12: 39
      +2
      Quote: rumatam
      .What they will collect, these were collected from what was inherited from the USSR.

      Since the 90s did not turn into metal? I doubt something ... Or are you sure in the know? Are you close to production?
      1. groks
        groks 30 January 2018 15: 18
        0
        It’s hard to turn into a multi-meter titanium gizmo. Which also stands on balance. For this it is necessary to first seize the plant, then bring it to bankruptcy, ....
        1. raw174
          raw174 31 January 2018 06: 56
          +1
          those. In your opinion this is the last instance and they will not be built anymore? Is the supply contract a fiction?
          1. groks
            groks 31 January 2018 07: 31
            0
            But who knows how many complete sets there are left. They can say after the election that they "couldn’t" and ask for another 900 billion. And then again ....
            1. raw174
              raw174 31 January 2018 07: 48
              +1
              Quote: groks
              But who knows how many complete sets there are left.

              So 80% is a new plane, only a glider like the old one ...
              Quote: groks
              They can say after the election that they "couldn’t" and ask for another 900 billion. And then again ...

              We will live, we will see ...
              1. groks
                groks 31 January 2018 11: 31
                0
                So there is the main hitch in a longitudinal beam, almost the entire length of the plane. The rest can be built one way or another. Next up is electronics, and the RB and the Chinese will help with this.
    3. viktorch
      viktorch 30 January 2018 13: 26
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      Well, what, bluntly say that there is no new beaver? and everything at the concept level?
      it remains to rivet the Soviet carcass
  6. apro
    apro 30 January 2018 12: 44
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    And what place will this machine take in the weapons system? Why is it needed? For a quick retaliatory strike, it’s somehow problematic. For local conflicts of low intensity. Is it too expensive? It’s much simpler and cheaper to develop mobile MBRs on different residents.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 January 2018 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: apro
      And what place will this vehicle take in the weapons system?

      As a carrier of nuclear weapons in the air component of the nuclear triad, and as a carrier of long-range Raman weapons with high-explosive charges, that is, as carriers of high-precision weapons.
      But surely 50 cars will not be assembled. Under the USSR, with its capacities, industry and money, in the best years they handed over the Air Force only 4 Swans a year. At the same time, the car is not at all cheap. If we go even to a series of 30 boards + 16 already available, I think the result will be good. And there, by the age of 25, PAK YES will go into the series, which they promise to make cheaper and faster in construction.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 31 January 2018 08: 23
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        But in the end, it would be better to replace the Tu-95MS with civilian engines and a resource. Something on the IL-96go units. It is easier to upgrade and the resource is large and modernization is simpler. And the cabin is comfortable for the crew.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 31 January 2018 22: 17
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          +1 IMHO, I have long needed a more or less unified modern heavy platform for a transporter, AWACS, a tanker, a long-range PLO plane, a reconnaissance target (sea and land), landing, maybe even electronic warfare, etc. And for the kit, make on its base a wide-body passenger aircraft and a missile carrier to replace the Tu-95. A large series will help solve issues with the maintenance and availability of spare parts.
  7. groks
    groks 30 January 2018 15: 15
    +2
    Woo! "The documentation is not ready," but the series has already gone, gone, gone.
    Not 800 per program, but 900 per equipment (according to the previous article).
    The problem was not in the installation of welding a titanium beam, but in the annealing furnace after this welding.
    And now it’s clear - the screwdriver assembly of the Soviet backlog. They didn’t cook anything, they didn’t anneal, they simply finished it.
  8. bk0010
    bk0010 30 January 2018 15: 24
    +1
    Quote: author
    Thus, from a certain time, Kazan Aircraft Plant will have to launch a full-fledged new production of aircraft with the manufacture of all necessary units from scratch.

    Quote: author
    The design of the airframe does not undergo major changes. The type of power plant also does not change.

    Well what for do this? If they decided to restore production, then it should be redesigned taking into account the existing new solutions (all the same, the production should be restored again, so that you can do what you need, and not use what you have): the case of the Tu-160 was heavy, it would be nice also increase its resistance to overloads, at least up to 4G (for a low altitude breakthrough), upgrade the radar to AFAR like the T-50 or add a radar to provide a real low altitude breakthrough, and not, as it is now, 200m, go from the variable sweep wing to integrated mu center section, redesign the engines under the PAK FA technology of the second stage (so that there is cruising supersonic without afterburner, unless, of course, it is possible for engines of such power), make a bomb bay and a bomb bay of the maximum allowable size (so that it doesn’t work out like the amers with B-1B and B-2), organize a satellite communication channel or our analogue of link 16 (strategist after all) and so on.
    1. sabotage
      sabotage 30 January 2018 22: 11
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      Quote: bk0010
      If you decided to restore production, then you should redesign it taking into account existing new solutions

      So would these decisions ... Neither the T-50, nor AFAR, nor Link-16 are present. Only one hope for the Nexus with ROFAR.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 30 January 2018 22: 30
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        Link-16 not? It seems that back in the XNUMXs, they were solemnly going to introduce a new unified digital communications and target designation system into the troops? Is everything dead?
        1. sabotage
          sabotage 31 January 2018 07: 21
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          Quote: bk0010
          Is everything dead?

          And when did our promises coincide with the results?
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    3. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 31 January 2018 01: 06
      +1
      Quote: bk0010
      go from the wing of the variable sweep to the integrated center wing, redesign the engines under the PAK FA technology of the second stage, make the bomb bay and bomb bay of the maximum allowable size

      Well, that is, to redesign the aircraft - they could say more briefly. With such Wishlist, the deadline will be 2040, so to speak, at best. What will give cause to cry again
  9. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 30 January 2018 17: 25
    +1
    Quote: viktorch
    don’t rely on the nuclear baton especially, you should not forget the precedents of the first and second Chechen


    Or maybe it was more correct not to send the boys of the yellow-and-white to Grozny, but to gasp with "special ammunition"?
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 31 January 2018 22: 43
      +1
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Terrible, and to gasp with "special ammunition"?

      Are you talking about a Russian city, it seems? 300-400 thousand Russian citizens?
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 31 January 2018 22: 53
      +2
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Terrible, and to gasp with "special ammunition"?

      Are you talking about a Russian city, it seems? 300-400 thousand Russian citizens?
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 1 February 2018 00: 07
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        Citizenship can be retroactive, if circumstances require.
        And over 25 years of the Chechen mess, direct and indirect damage comes out more. Until now, they pay tribute to Ramzanka Dyrov.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 1 February 2018 00: 22
          +2
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          And over 25 years of the Chechen mess, direct and indirect damage comes out more. Until now, they pay tribute to Ramzanka Dyrov.

          And what in this case can be said, for example, about Muscovites?
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 1 February 2018 01: 00
            +1
            Moscow is a collector of land. Without it, there is no Russia.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 1 February 2018 02: 56
              +1
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              Without it, there is no Russia.

              You think? And about the tribute or about the damage to Russia, direct and indirect, in relation to Moscow did not hear anything?
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 1 February 2018 11: 32
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                Talking about some kind of "damage to Russia" as applied to Moscow is generally incorrect, because it is a system-forming imperial center, without it there is no Russia. It’s like with the brain: in humans, it is a very expensive organ, but without it in any way (although it seems that some are trying to save and do not include it).
                You can treat Moscow differently (for example, I don’t like it), but you cannot help but admit that it was she who made Russia what it is, having won in the Middle Ages competition with another “collector” - Lithuania. Otherwise, we would have been in the outskirts of Europe, like the Poles, and not seen us Siberia and the Far East.
  10. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 January 2018 19: 14
    0
    Quote: bk0010
    Quote: author
    Thus, from a certain time, Kazan Aircraft Plant will have to launch a full-fledged new production of aircraft with the manufacture of all necessary units from scratch.

    Quote: author
    The design of the airframe does not undergo major changes. The type of power plant also does not change.

    Well what for do this? If they decided to restore production, then it should be redesigned taking into account the existing new solutions (all the same, the production should be restored again, so that you can do what you need, and not use what you have): the case of the Tu-160 was heavy, it would be nice also increase its resistance to overloads, at least up to 4G (for a low altitude breakthrough), upgrade the radar to AFAR like the T-50 or add a radar to provide a real low altitude breakthrough, and not, as it is now, 200m, go from the variable sweep wing to integrated mu center section, redesign the engines under the PAK FA technology of the second stage (so that there is cruising supersonic without afterburner, unless, of course, it is possible for engines of such power), make a bomb bay and a bomb bay of the maximum allowable size (so that it doesn’t work out like the amers with B-1B and B-2), organize a satellite communication channel or our analogue of link 16 (strategist after all) and so on.

    Hmm. Each product has its own tasks. Low-altitude breakthrough for a strategist, why? Throw in the trenches of the tugs? Take a look at the bomb bay and see what they hang on the drums
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 30 January 2018 21: 06
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      To get alive at the launch line. Amers under this B-1B (former strategist) was made. Otherwise, what for this hemorrhoids with a wing of variable sweep? Only for take-off from an extra-class aerodrome? By the way, it seems they taught to bomb the Tu-160 (they tried to - for sure, but I don’t know how it ended).
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 31 January 2018 01: 08
        +1
        Quote: bk0010
        otherwise what for this hemorrhoids with a variable sweep wing?

        Do you think that the wing of variable sweep exclusively for a low-altitude breakthrough was invented? poor Tomkaet ... he got in the wrong place crying
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 31 January 2018 22: 21
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          The deck interceptor is a rare bird. The exception that confirms the rule.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 1 February 2018 01: 28
            +2
            Quote: bk0010
            Exception confirming rule

            On the contrary))
            The variable sweep wing was placed on multi-mode aircraft. The Tomcat was supposed to barrage over the sea for a long time at a distance from the aircraft carrier and at the same time have high speed for interception. As well as the Tu-160 - to have a large range at the sound level and supersonic to break through air defense. A way out of conflicting requirements (long range and high speed) then seemed to be a wing with variable sweep. It is not an inapplicable attribute of flight with an envelope of terrain.
  11. raw174
    raw174 31 January 2018 07: 46
    +2
    sabotage,
    Quote: sabotage
    That is free. There is no influence, no success.

    There is. We did not let the United States destroy the SAR and piled on the barmales, who are supported by the West, thereby showing their teeth, again, if we had not had the strength and influence, we would not have returned Crimea.
    Quote: sabotage
    We are in the SAR while pulling a pipe to Turkey.

    Documents say something else. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out a good operation and we will receive the dividends from it.
    Quote: sabotage
    Apart from the fact that the US has nowhere to put its oil,

    Oil = money, they are not superfluous! Because of it, there was a “Desert Storm” and other operations of the US expeditionary forces + again control of the region.
    Quote: sabotage
    why the hell did they get Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states?

    The spread of NATO infrastructure at the very borders of the Russian Federation, the physical isolation of the Russian Federation.
  12. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 1 February 2018 11: 40
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    V. Putin suggested considering the creation of a civilian modification of a supersonic bomber

    Someone to carry on supersonic? The average person can’t afford the train if it’s really far to go. And for Corgi dogs it’s too big.