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In the permafrost: Russia revives the secret project of the USSR

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The Great Northern Railway Line will be demobilized, rebuilt and modernized. The formerly secret Soviet railway project, launched by Stalin himself and dubbed “501 Construction”, will connect Chukotka with the Barents Sea.


The polar highway was conceived in 1928 year, but its construction began only 20 years later, after the end of World War II. In the world there was a rivalry between two mighty powers, and Stalin was very concerned about the possible landing of an enemy assault force on the uncovered northern shores.

Before 1953, more than 900 kilometers of railway were built in extremely difficult climatic conditions. After the death of the leader, under the amnesty, tens of thousands of prisoners who worked at the facility fell. 25 March 1953 was ordered to suspend the construction and conservation of the Great Northern Railway Track.

Today, in addition to the military necessity of reviving the project, an economic one has been added.

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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 29 January 2018 11: 21
    +1
    Until 1953, in extremely difficult climatic conditions, more than 900 kilometers of railway track were laid. After the death of the leader, tens of thousands of prisoners who worked at the facility fell under the amnesty.
    are there candidates for work on the railway?
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 January 2018 12: 05
      27
      Quote: Dead Day
      are there candidates for work on the railway?

      Well, start with the fact that it’s most likely that they will build railway vehicles. And they have an order - the law. And who will work on the account, as I understand it, the work will be on a rotational basis. Put a good salary, benefits and people will go
      1. krasnoderevshik
        krasnoderevshik 30 January 2018 19: 05
        +3
        Well ... and how without washing the dough ??? in permafrost then that !!! !!! God himself ordered !!! gentlemen, do you take a look at the map and ask the northerners if any of the hard workers will climb into the swamps for forty grouse? I think there will be very few desperate and then from among the dumb-headed cheers-patriots. They will vote aside. Comrades, take off your pink glasses.
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        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 3 February 2018 18: 37
          +4
          Quote: krasnoderevshik
          Well ... and how without washing the dough ??? in permafrost then that !!! !!! God himself ordered !!! gentlemen, do you take a look at the map and ask the northerners if any of the hard workers will climb into the swamps for forty grouse? I think there will be very few desperate and then from among the dumb-headed cheers-patriots. They will vote aside. Comrades, take off your pink glasses.

          What ceiling did you get such salaries from? High-voltage power lines are currently under construction in Chukotka. I won’t say it for everyone, but my colleagues, surveyors and engineers, receive from 120 thousand a month on engineering surveys and construction support. Watch 3 \ 1 (3 months field \ month at home) Standard conditions: travel from home to the facility and back, accommodation, three meals a day and overalls at the expense of the employer ...
          And what place is there the desperate and dumb-headed cheers-patriots?
          Threat. As I understand it, cabinetry is a profession?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 3 February 2018 18: 40
            +6
            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            As I understand it, cabinetmaker ...

            ... this is a pampered woodbug yes
          2. Gennady Fyodorov
            Gennady Fyodorov 5 February 2018 13: 55
            +2
            No, this is a state of the head. The rosewood is real!
      2. your1970
        your1970 30 January 2018 20: 10
        +5
        Where will they go? What good salaries? What re-conservation ??? People, ah !!!!!!
        here IT restore????




        1. Garik444
          Garik444 31 January 2018 11: 53
          24
          Something will be restored, the rest will be completed. They’ve been building for several years and the pace is not bad, I live here, I see!
        2. ALLxANDr
          ALLxANDr 31 January 2018 13: 56
          17
          Here IT quickly restored. I live in those areas and I’ll tell you honestly - they really did it honestly. I saw it all with my own eyes, I have my own photo.

          Even the video is: https://youtu.be/m9Cmmjrf9ZE

          I advise you to see how to complement the news.

          Yamal, Krasnoselkup district
        3. Plate
          Plate 31 January 2018 14: 17
          +8
          Obviously no harder than building from scratch.
        4. Dilletant
          Dilletant 2 February 2018 20: 44
          +4
          Here IT is just pretty easy to restore. It’s harder to remove the rails, too much manual work. The soil is sand, taken without drilling. The slopes are gentle, it is easy to cut technological roads and shelves. In addition, the embankment has settled down and there will be no such serious subsidence in the future.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 4 February 2018 00: 03
            +1
            Quote: Dilletant
            Harder to remove rails, too many manual

            What's so complicated? Direction by gas welding and drag, the most difficult procedure will be to fit the crane.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 4 February 2018 00: 06
              +6
              Quote: KaPToC
              take away, the most difficult procedure is to fit the crane

              It’s easier to move aside so as not to interfere. They’ve been lying for half a century, and they’ll somehow lie for a couple of years.
              And how to restore the path - there the crane will adjust, and what to take away - there is ...
          2. faradien
            faradien 4 February 2018 23: 26
            0
            In high latitudes, in permafrost, the big problem is the warming effect on the soil of various structures and embankments. From this the soil begins to walk. And the photo is not just a subsidence of the soil, but the unpredictable reaction of the permafrost to the embankment and no one will guarantee that there will not be any new movements in this place. Permafrost has not disappeared. That is the problem. Therefore, for example, railways on Bovanenkovo ​​were built on piles, and Norilsk was practically all on piles with a blown zero cycle. However, it is possible to recover with modern construction technologies. And they’ll rebuild something. Good luck!
        5. Strategy
          Strategy 4 February 2018 19: 23
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          here it is to restore ????

          After World War II, and Civil was not restored!
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 29 January 2018 18: 17
      +7
      IT WASN’T EVERYWHERE EVERYWHERE, WERE ADVANCED THOUGHTS AND A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE READY TO REALIZE THEM.
      Everywhere they attribute all the ideas of the IVS-- a normal cult we sculpt, too?
      1. wax
        wax 2 February 2018 17: 58
        +7
        The fact that it was Stalin’s idea was confirmed not by words but by construction actually begun. And where does the cult? Now, on the contrary, the mainstream is a cult of denial and harassment.
    3. anpaza
      anpaza 30 January 2018 09: 18
      +1
      Zapadentsy?
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    5. DPN
      DPN 2 February 2018 15: 49
      0
      If you consider that the Second World War won:: Bastards; and FINE, then you're right.
    6. nikoliski
      nikoliski 3 February 2018 02: 50
      -1
      Chubais and co)
    7. sgrabik
      sgrabik 3 February 2018 19: 59
      +2
      All the liberals, led by Navalim there to send to work, they still have no benefit for the country, only one harm, but at least it will bring some benefit to Russia.
      1. onix757
        onix757 3 February 2018 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: sgrabik
        All liberals led by Navalim sent there to work

        Stop, but the guarantor is also a liberal .. Have you thought well?)
    8. Burbon
      Burbon 5 February 2018 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      are there candidates for work on the railway?

      depending on what kind of rugs .... if the real payment (from 250 + northern = premiums +++ ...), then I'm ready .....
      1. Roy Jones
        Roy Jones 29 September 2018 22: 22
        0
        which are from 250, and even + northern + premiums ... they still write that in Russia the average salary is 15 thousand, so 30ki is enough for you))
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 29 January 2018 11: 47
    +1
    Well ... I don’t know.
    It may be really really necessary ...
    But the toad - it is as if hinting ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 January 2018 12: 03
      13
      Quote: Victor_B
      But the toad - it is as if hinting ...

      Especially Canadian ... not just reminiscent, it specifically comes and chokes
  3. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 January 2018 12: 31
    +1
    [quote = svp67] [quote = Victor_B] But the toad - it seems to be hinting ... [/ quote]
    Especially Canadian ... not just reminiscent, it specifically comes and chokes
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 January 2018 12: 35
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Victor_B
    But the toad - it is as if hinting ...

    Especially Canadian ... not just reminiscent, it specifically comes and chokes

    Often a "toad smothers" me, but didn’t know that only Canadian smothers I always thought that this was a purely Russian phenomenon
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    2. 97110
      97110 31 January 2018 10: 48
      +2
      Quote: Monarchist
      I always thought it was a purely Russian phenomenon

      And in the Canadians there are Russians, but the brothers can’t stop cancer in general until Moscow.
  5. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 29 January 2018 12: 38
    +7
    Is it worth it? It is better to upgrade existing ports in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk so that they can accept any ships. Landing an enemy assault in the Arctic and moving it further inland is an almost impossible task, even if no one shoots at them. In the event of war, the American UDC will become easy prey for our nuclear submarines and Tu-22M3, and the landing will feed the polar bears.
    1. 97110
      97110 31 January 2018 10: 50
      +5
      Quote: Northern warrior
      It is better to upgrade existing ports in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk so that they can accept any ships.
      What "any" do you dream of driving to Arkhangelsk? North Dvina (Arkhangelsk - estuary port) in Soviet times had a dredging volume comparable to the Volga. Severodvinsk is not good for you? Murmansk already transports the wild volume of coal for export. I don’t think that there are problems with “any ships,” on the contrary, it accepts ocean vessels.
      Quote: Northern warrior
      and the landing will feed the polar bears.
      Do you know the midge? He will take the undefiled person into circulation, he will flee to the bear himself.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 2 February 2018 22: 15
        0
        Quote: 97110
        Severodvinsk is not good for you?

        NO .. not good. We only have one deepwater bay. There are two plants in it. The capacities of the highway and the railway are just enough to service these plants; they will not pull the cargo port.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 2 February 2018 22: 13
      +1
      Quote: Northern warrior
      It is better to upgrade existing ports in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk so that they can accept any ships.

      Sea cargo ships are now loaded in Arkhangelsk.
      HER port Water saving. 13 g.

  6. ICEBERGrus
    ICEBERGrus 29 January 2018 12: 46
    20
    The people do not know what kind of toad you are there, but for me the Crimean bridge is not so necessary for us in Siberia as railway. to Salekhard railway bridge Labytnangi-Salekhard and further railway to Khanty-Mansiysk. We have 1k kapitalka worth 5-7mln. Rub. And with the road, this price should fall. Not to mention the rest (products, diapers, etc.).
    1. ALLxANDr
      ALLxANDr 31 January 2018 14: 00
      +1
      I fully support! What area are you from? wink
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 3 February 2018 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: ICEBERGrus
      The people do not know what kind of toad you are there, but for me the Crimean bridge is not so necessary for us in Siberia as railway. to Salekhard railway bridge Labytnangi-Salekhard and further railway to Khanty-Mansiysk. We have 1k kapitalka worth 5-7mln. Rub. And with the road, this price should fall. Not to mention the rest (products, diapers, etc.).

      Well, then cut the northern coefficients ...
  7. ICEBERGrus
    ICEBERGrus 29 January 2018 12: 50
    +9
    Quote: Northern warrior
    Is it worth it? In case of war, the American UDC will become easy prey for our nuclear submarines and Tu-22M3, and the landing will feed the polar bears.

    The question here is no longer military but economic. As will be the railway, it will be possible to pick the Ural mountains. Ato now they are only being picked in the south (where Chelyabinsk), and the rest is untouched.
    1. Vard
      Vard 29 January 2018 13: 08
      +4
      This is all good ... but it looks like it will be as always .. they’ll build on the people’s ... on our taxes with you ... and the profit will go to the side ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 January 2018 19: 58
        +4
        Quote: Vard
        This is all good ... but it looks like it will be as always .. they’ll build on the people’s ... on our taxes with you ... and the profit will go to the side ...
        - last year, “our taxes”, the tax collected only within 20% of the budget, while customs gave about 60% of the budget (including due to duties on hydrocarbons)
        1. Deck
          Deck 30 January 2018 23: 17
          +2
          Customs didn’t, but took it from us (well, except for export duties)
          1. your1970
            your1970 31 January 2018 08: 14
            +5
            Quote: Deck
            Customs didn’t, but took it from us (well, except for export duties)
            here is the tax NOT selected 95% (how tax work in the whole world). And this means that we Do not pay taxes legal / individual / individual - everything is almost universal. Especially famous for this business is "shameful" small business and individual entrepreneur ...
            1. Deck
              Deck 31 January 2018 16: 53
              +1
              Yes, and rightly so! One cormorant - less arena. The reference to world experience is not applicable to our country. Most of their taxes are local (municipality, county, state, land, district). And they are spent on local needs.
            2. kromwell
              kromwell 31 January 2018 19: 12
              +3
              Let a little offtopic. Tell us how tax work all over the world? By type of activity, he communicated with Italians, French and Germans. On the circle taxes go about the same. Only reporting is much easier. They probably lie scoundrels)))

              PS. Why do I have the flag of Norway ???
              1. your1970
                your1970 1 February 2018 09: 43
                0
                at the moment, about 15% of the land is not registered, people living on it do NOT pay land taxes going to the local municipal budget, the fine for using land without documents, article 7.1 of the Administrative Code was before 08.03.2015. 500 (!!!!) rubles, then raised to 5 thousand. But even this increase did not force them to issue. “Why am I sick ??? taxes will have to be paid !!!” is the most often heard formula. There are, of course, controversial cases and just a lack of money, but the bulk are for this reason. You cannot take away the earth, it’s worth the house on it ..
                ask on occasion - is it possible in principle notorious DEFAULT taxes in France / Italy / Germany? I think - they will be very surprised such a formulation of the question: how is it - not to pay taxes? ...
                Z.Y. about rabid grandmas for registration of the land - it’s not necessary. For example, we have a land surveying costs 4, a state registration fee of 500 rubles
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 5 February 2018 17: 12
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  Z.Y. about rabid grandmas for registration of the land - it’s not necessary. For example, we have a land surveying costs 4, a state registration fee of 500 rubles

                  Surveying is more expensive than 7500 anywhere ...
      2. omit
        omit 4 February 2018 15: 21
        0
        Vard
        This is all good ... but it will be as always .. they will be built on the people ... on our taxes with you ... and the profit will go to the side ..
        And there, a new perestroika will arrive in time ...
        1. faradien
          faradien 4 February 2018 23: 39
          0
          Right! And then everyone who needs to, will find the corresponding roots in their genealogy and again merge into the Promised
    2. gonza2000
      gonza2000 4 February 2018 06: 19
      0
      Subpolar urals from about Seyda to Kharp, Seyda, a branch of the railway to Vorkuta, Kharp a few hours to the Labytnangs. About ten years ago I met surveyors in Berezovo from St. Petersburg, they shot to lay the road from Kharp to Ivdel-throughout the Northern Urals. And Labytnangi- Novy Urengoy has nothing to do with the Northern Urals.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 January 2018 12: 57
    +4
    In his youth, he had to read in some book about the great construction sites of the Soviet Union: Tselin, BAM and others. An example of an anti-Party and anti-state project was also given there: railway in permafrost. I remember that, according to the author, this was a manifestation of almost treason. I also thought: is this possible in the Soviet Union?
    1. captain
      captain 29 January 2018 16: 02
      12
      Quote: Monarchist
      In his youth, he had to read in some book about the great construction sites of the Soviet Union: Tselin, BAM and others. An example of an anti-Party and anti-state project was also given there: railway in permafrost. I remember that, according to the author, this was a manifestation of almost treason. I also thought: is this possible in the Soviet Union?

      Stalin seemed to want to build a tunnel to Sakhalin. For all its shortcomings, the strategist was great. He did not throw slogans, but built.
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 January 2018 20: 01
        0
        it was like a box-trip along that road. There such snot hangs, it’s scary to look at them - not like walking on trains. Too problematic construction - and therefore closed immediately as soon as possible ...
      2. faradien
        faradien 4 February 2018 23: 43
        0
        Great strategist, but the price of the construction site ... match the size of the strategist
  9. Magarych
    Magarych 29 January 2018 19: 54
    +3
    railway one banana is needed, how much you can ride on the imperial road, and preferably away from the borders.
  10. Horse meat
    Horse meat 29 January 2018 20: 07
    +7
    Perhaps it will live in the north, if the railway is nearby, this means cheap products.
    Towns, villages along the road will appear.
    Of course it’s worth it.
    1. DiKoff
      DiKoff 29 January 2018 20: 18
      +1
      why on earth will appear? and who will live there if more than 34000 villages have disappeared during the reign of the GDP and this continues to skyrocket and the birth rate in Russia is the most catastrophic in the world? Why do we need railway train - another slogan for a poor country to distract from problems with the economy?
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 30 January 2018 06: 31
        14
        And then why lie, we all know how to read the Old.
        Nevertheless, I decided to find out the truth and see how many villages were actually liquidated.
        During the time between censuses, the number of cities and urban-type settlements decreased by 554 and in total amounts (as of October 14, 2010) 2386 urban settlements. The decrease was due to the following reasons: 413 urban-type settlements were converted into rural settlements, 127 - included in the line of other urban settlements, 14 - were eliminated in connection with the departure of residents. The number of rural settlements decreased by 2164

        Type of settlement
        2002 census
        2010 census

        Cities
        1098 1100

        Urban-type villages
        1842 1286

        Rural areas
        (including without population) 155 289
        (13 086) 153 125
        (19 439)
        In general, losses under Putin are quite insignificant 2,2 thousand settlements.
        And what happened to Putin. Between the censuses of 1989 and 2002, the total number of rural settlements, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, increased by 2367, or 1,5%, but no one lived in 13086 settlements (8,4% of the total) at the time of the 2002 census . At the same time, the Federal State Statistics Service did not explain whether such settlements were taken into account in previous population censuses, but the number of settlements in which no more than 5 people live almost doubled from 1989-2002 (from 16925 to 32997, including settlements in which no one lived at the time 2002 census). That is, my first estimate is correct, but everyone else is lying godlessly.
        Over 20 years, about 15,5 thousand villages were destroyed. Of which under Putin only 2,2 thousand.
        Of course, the numbers are not good, but can admirers of the USSR blame Putin for this. Let's see how things were with the villages in the USSR.

        The distribution of rural settlements in Russia by the number of inhabitants, according to censuses, thousands of settlements
        Khrushchev
        Disastrous for the village was the settlement of “unpromising” villages that began in the 1950s and became the realization of the idea expressed by Khrushchev under Stalin about agricultural towns in the countryside. The idea was reanimated at the December (1959) plenary session of the Central Committee, which called for the development of “schemes of district and on-farm planning.” The recommendations of the USSR Academy of Construction and Architecture, issued in 1960, said: "It is recommended that the existing settlements of collective farms and state farms be divided into two groups - promising and unpromising." By the end of Khrushchev’s state activity, 139 thousand villages (13 per day) disappeared in Russia. Well, in the period between the censuses of 1959 and 1989, the number of rural settlements was almost halved - from 294059 to 152922.

        Now there are rural settlements, even more than in the RSFSR. 153 125. (indeed 15,5 thousand of them are non-residential) Of course, it is difficult for Putin to prevent the disappearance of villages with three grandmothers, they just brought the villages to this state precisely in the USSR.
      2. raw174
        raw174 30 January 2018 08: 13
        +8
        Quote: DiKoff
        is the birth rate in Russia the most catastrophic in the world?

        Yes? Something your sources are not competent in my opinion, because we are ahead of Switzerland, Finland, Austria, Germany, Japan and many other countries in terms of fertility, and the leaders are Niger, Uganda, Zambia ...
        Quote: DiKoff
        During the reign of GDP, more than 34000 villages disappeared and this continues to fly down a rapid level.

        There is such a natural process - urbanization is called, and now it is going on. For reference, I live in a village, our population peak was in the 70s, after the village population has been steadily declining. During this time, fell from about 18 thousand to 8-9 thousand today. Well, yes, maybe Putin already felled the villages then ... There are objective reasons for the bending of the village - the development of technology.
        Yes, there is such a trend as a decrease in the population, this is a global trend in countries with a more or less prosperous population.
    2. the same doctor
      the same doctor 29 January 2018 20: 25
      +1
      villages along the road will not appear. A village is an agricultural settlement. oil industry towns - yes. military camps, mines in the mountains ... But to build a hundred icebreaking ships will be cheaper than the railway. Therefore, its only justification is defense needs.
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  11. the same doctor
    the same doctor 29 January 2018 20: 20
    +3
    build, of course, you can. Moreover, there is no need to work much manually now. And for industry, you can make an order for the manufacture of means of mechanization. But you have to put almost the entire road on stilts like bridge crossings. Otherwise, permafrost will melt and the road will drown. And so it will be possible on the contrary, to strengthen permafrost. About 30 tons of metal per km of road, 000 million tons per 2000 km. Our metallurgy is now loaded with 60 percent - in a year we can do everything. And, again, you can reconstruct it for such orders.
    .
    But, this road will never pay off. Therefore, the liberals will not allow it to be built.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 4 February 2018 00: 13
      +1
      Quote: also a doctor
      About 30 tons of metal per km of road, 000 million tons per 2000 km

      Are you going to pour the base ten meters deep into the metal? You yourself at least imagine what nonsense they wrote - 30 tons per meter of the road.
      1. faradien
        faradien 5 February 2018 00: 11
        +1
        Yes, the figure is probably overpriced at 30 tons / meter. But if you stand as in the photo of the railway Bovanenkovo-Okskaya, then the consumption will be somewhere around that.

        Another thing is that, probably, there are quite a few places where it can be laid on the ground.

        It will save money
  12. the same doctor
    the same doctor 29 January 2018 20: 50
    -1
    Interesting, but you can’t freeze a mound of ice? Construction becomes very simple: in the spring, scoop the track with a bulldozer to the frozen soil, cover it with a foam blanket. Next winter, put the motor pumps, yes pump water, fill in like a skating rink. Lightweight bulldozer for boning. Layer by layer, during the winter, two or three meters can be easily frozen. To freeze along the road a pile of piles with kerosene every couple of meters so that the winter cold can be stored up, and it should be frozen at night ... Pour sand and gravel over ice under the sleepers as needed, and line the same foam between the rails and over the sleepers. It is necessary to calculate the heat capacity of such an embankment, and heat loss during the northern summer - it can and does. Then make an experimental section with a dozen km: 2 000 000 tons of water from the nearest river, 10 000 piles with kerosene, 600 000 square meters of polystyrene. Perhaps, instead of polystyrene, it will be possible to partially use the removable tundra soil, but this should be considered. The top of the embankment will still have to be covered with foam.
    .
    Unfortunately, the ice is flowing. therefore, as you do not build a road in permafrost, it will fail sooner or later. But a frozen embankment can be easily repaired by freezing new layers. Make a mound into three ruts, and remove one of the three ruts every year, gravel with sand and rake and freeze a new layer of ice ... Fifty years later, the mound will spread a hundred meters wide and its degradation will become very slow.
    .
    The idea requires calculation and experimental verification.
    1. SEER
      SEER 29 January 2018 23: 22
      0
      Quote: also a doctor
      The idea requires calculation and experimental verification.

      The Chinese have already made such a road.
      "How the Chinese built a railway to Tibet"
      http://bigpicture.ru/?p=744286
    2. vlanis
      vlanis 30 January 2018 03: 10
      +6
      In my opinion it would be better to revive the Ministry of Civil Aviation. And then you have to fly from Siberia to the Far East through Moscow, Moscow has raked everything under it. to build and maintain a couple of kilometers of runway is probably cheaper than a couple of hundred pieces of iron. In Siberia, villages are dying due to lack of transport accessibility, In the union in each village across the Ob there was a strip, although dirt but planes flew, Now they are crazy about superjets and completely abandoned small aircraft, Zhelezka can pay for itself only with constant load. But something I do not see such volumes of cargo that will load the road. In the years 70-71, vehicles and pipes for the construction of the Aleksandrovskoye-Anzhero-Sudzhensk pipeline were transported on AN 22 aircraft. And it turned out to be more profitable than building a piece of iron or a highway. Later, they started to build a highway, and they have been building it for over 30 years now. The only justification is that this piece of iron is much shorter and further from the border,
      1. your1970
        your1970 30 January 2018 20: 05
        +2
        and in the villages of Siberia so big incomes to fly airplanes? Or how in the USSR, when these flights were unprofitable?
        1. vlanis
          vlanis 31 January 2018 02: 35
          +3
          That's why I started talking about the Ministry of Civil Aviation, and it is even possible to nationalize civil aviation. Due to the redistribution of funds, it will be possible to compensate for the costs of unprofitable routes. In general, civil aviation was quite cost-effective. It is up to the state husbands to think either to drive the whole crowd to Moscow, or to take care of the population in the province.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 4 February 2018 00: 31
        +2
        Quote: vlanis
        In my opinion it would be better to revive the Ministry of Civil Aviation.

        Industrial development requires a railway.
  13. Greg Miller
    Greg Miller 29 January 2018 22: 01
    +2
    As already got these empty Zaputino election tales ...
    1. SEER
      SEER 29 January 2018 23: 23
      10
      Quote: Greg Miller
      As already got these empty Zaputino election tales ...

      Do not torment yourself, turn on the "zombie creator" and enjoy the words of the Old Man ...
  14. bistrov.
    bistrov. 30 January 2018 08: 15
    +2
    The Northern Latitudinal Railway railway is very necessary. By the way, almost half of it has already been built, Gazprom is driving along it, and it serves it .. In the future, this road needs to be extended to the Norilsk strategic city.
    Now, the development of this road is hampered by the lack of a bridge across the Ob, in summer the cars are ferried, and in winter a temporary path is laid right on the ice. First of all, you need to build this bridge.
    1. krasnoderevshik
      krasnoderevshik 30 January 2018 18: 50
      0
      Why are you driving a fever, what has Gazprom built there? And where does he go on it? ???? do you have any idea where it came from or where it was going?
  15. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 30 January 2018 08: 25
    +2
    This project was frozen not only because of the death of the leader, but also because of the technical complexity and therefore financial cost, but did not economically justify, this garbage, and not news, such a solution does not currently exist.
    "There are rumors here and there, and toothless old women ..."
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 4 February 2018 00: 32
      +3
      Quote: Shaikin Vladimir
      such a solution currently simply does not exist.

      About the Crimean bridge they said the same thing, maybe even you.
  16. Dmitry Fedorov
    Dmitry Fedorov 30 January 2018 18: 29
    +2
    And now under capitalism, a much smaller number of well-paid free workers will launch this road in the shortest possible time.
  17. krasnoderevshik
    krasnoderevshik 30 January 2018 18: 47
    +2
    the author !!! I apologize for sarcasm ... sorry, one hundred you said "will be re-opened ???? restored ??? upgraded ??? why are you overheating or something ??? go on a business trip and find at least a kilometer of that section that you can re-preserve !!! what nonsense to write !!! ???
  18. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 31 January 2018 10: 17
    +3
    That's where Navalny comes in handy with his followers.
  19. Garik444
    Garik444 31 January 2018 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: Northern warrior
    It is better to upgrade existing ports in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk so that they can accept any ships.
    What "any" do you dream of driving to Arkhangelsk? North Dvina (Arkhangelsk - estuary port) in Soviet times had a dredging volume comparable to the Volga. Severodvinsk is not good for you? Murmansk already transports the wild volume of coal for export. I don’t think that there are problems with “any ships,” on the contrary, it accepts ocean vessels.
    Quote: Northern warrior
    and the landing will feed the polar bears.
    Do you know the midge? He will take the undefiled person into circulation, he will flee to the bear himself.

    I live in these very regions for 46 years, the city of Nadym, I work even further north - on Bovanenkovo. It is necessary to build a road and for the Polar Urals to develop, and to connect all the remote corners of the Russian Far North, without roads or anywhere on our open spaces!
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  21. maxim26
    maxim26 31 January 2018 22: 46
    +2
    Good evening everyone! The author is clearly not a builder, so he could not explain normally, and many commentators simply can not understand why they say they object. The railway is a linear object. As a builder, I can say that the most difficult part in building a linear long-range object is to select an allotment strip for it (in this case, this is a huge section of the design documentation, which includes a huge amount of geodetic and geological surveys). This is such a job, the result of which should make it possible to build a linear object in the shortest possible time, at the lowest cost, with maximum effect and minimum payback period. It was such work that was carried out during the USSR. We can safely say that if this work was carried out during the reign of Comrade Stalin, then the quality of its implementation is probably out of the question, given the fact that everyone was responsible for quality to Comrade Beria. It is clear that 900 km of the once constructed railway road is now rubbish. To revive this project using the work of ancestors is not difficult at all. They will quickly make fresh surveys of the finished track, reconcile them with the old ones, and then adjust the project to take into account the new ones. tasks, will make working documentation and build a bright future ahead.
    1. IVO
      IVO 1 February 2018 19: 50
      +1
      Absolutely agree. I myself worked for Nzhd. This topic has been flying with us for a long time. And here we can go on the ways to the mainland) and then for 25t. only until MSCW-zadolbalo ...
    2. Nikolai Fomenko
      Nikolai Fomenko 6 February 2018 01: 37
      0
      Maxim26, where did you get that the terms of reference and the project itself were 100% complete (from the Barents Sea to Chukotka). It is likely that the work could have been planned to some intermediate point.
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  23. vnord
    vnord 2 February 2018 13: 03
    0
    What is the conservation. in 1983 the rails were already hanging in the air
  24. faiver
    faiver 3 February 2018 17: 47
    0
    video essay some kind of agitation ...
  25. Horse meat
    Horse meat 3 February 2018 18: 04
    +1
    The railway is needed.
  26. Gennady Fyodorov
    Gennady Fyodorov 5 February 2018 14: 01
    0
    The Chinese built a road to Tibet. There are also areas with permafrost that cannot be thawed. So they applied several advanced scientific solutions, down to heat transfer tubes and special embankment material, in order to preserve permafrost. Our railway troops simply pour crushed stone, hand over the object, and the consequences come, as in the above photos. No expressway will succeed. The speed will be 25 km per hour and not 300. The century before last! And money, as someone already guessed, Rotenbergs will capitalize.
  27. marpa
    marpa 5 February 2018 20: 13
    +1
    The North is the future, where the main hydrocarbons will be extracted and the road made using modern technologies is possible, and the benefits are obvious. If Stalin had not made a start, then there would have been many doubts, and most importantly, 900 km of embankment is 50% of the work.
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  29. demo
    demo 6 February 2018 18: 33
    +1
    To get started, look at a similar construction - the Chinese high mountain road.
    The Chinese in five years and $ 3 billion have built a road that runs on permafrost over a 550-kilometer stretch.
    Inquisitive people can learn for themselves how the Chinese solve the problem of summer thawing.
    Our latitudinal passage should be located in even more unfriendly and difficult places.
    Distance 5000 km.
    If we managed to hold the Olympics for $ 30 billion, then what this project will cost us.
    It’s scary to even think.
    One thing remains - to invite the Chinese.
  30. Lionov
    Lionov 6 November 2018 14: 15
    0
    Stalin didn’t just build anything, and if it hadn’t been for Nikita, he’d built up this strategic and necessary road for the country in all respects, and eventually would have brought it to mind. My grandfather worked in 503 construction department, which led the way from the Yenisei. I remembered that all the builders perceived the cessation of construction as pure sabotage, people did not want to leave, because they paid well and the conditions were normal by the standards, the prisoners had three days, the feeding was normal and the prisoners and security they ate from one boiler, about hundreds of thousands of victims, some executions, the real nonsense, the guard performed its functions nominally, kept order more, there was simply nowhere to run and nothing to do. People certainly died, but like everywhere else, from diseases, accidents, poisoning, once, as the grandfather told me, 46 people died immediately, some rubbish got drunk. Now they will find some kind of mass burial, immediately the victims of the regime, people died of course, but this is by no means hundreds of thousands, as the biased scribblers.