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Bitcoin under the hood of the law. The Ministry of Finance wants to regulate cryptocurrency in Russia

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Experts, businessmen, representatives of various political parties and movements, and officials from various ministries and departments have repeatedly said that it is time for the Russian state to determine its attitude to cryptocurrencies and the cryptocurrency market. Recently, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation nevertheless prepared a draft law on regulation of cryptocurrency, the adoption of which, according to experts of the financial department, will make it possible to significantly streamline the situation on the cryptocurrency market.


But first - to stories Problems. As is known, the emergence of cryptocurrency and the rapid growth in the number of operations with cryptocurrency were met by official institutions of Russia is ambiguous. Opinions expressed by government officials, politicians and experts are sometimes the exact opposite. But until recently, the legal status of cryptocurrency in the Russian Federation remained uncertain - on the one hand, the authorities did not dare to legalize the cryptocurrency market and develop a system of legal regulation of cryptocurrencies, on the other hand the Russian government did not go to ban cryptocurrency operations.



As you know, the attitude to cryptocurrencies of different states is very different. Such countries as Singapore, the Republic of Korea, Japan, the United Arab Emirates have a very positive attitude to cryptocurrencies, seeking to benefit from cryptocurrency operations and attracting investors seeking to work in the cryptocurrency market. For example, the head of the financial department of Singapore, Snoppendu Mohanty, believes that Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies will not disappear anywhere and will only develop, but stresses that it is too early to compare them with “real” money.

Some third-world countries are also interested in developing a cryptocurrency market, which associate improvements in their financial position with cryptocurrency transactions. For example, Vanuatu offers to acquire its citizenship for a certain amount in bitcoins. At the same time, a number of states have a negative attitude to cryptocurrencies, and in Russia, despite the fact that the country still remains a very free space for cryptocurrency operations, the authorities periodically make formidable statements about the need to control and even ban cryptocurrency.

From the very beginning of the activation of the cryptocurrency market in Russia, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation spoke against the cryptocurrency. Even 27 January 2014 of the year, four years ago, he issued an appeal in which he warned citizens and legal entities against using “virtual currencies” and referred to the 27 27 article of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” prohibiting the issue of the territory of Russia "monetary surrogates". Officially, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has announced the reasons for the lack of confidence in cryptocurrency, the potential use of anonymous cryptocurrency operations to finance terrorist activities and to legalize (launder) proceeds from crime. In 2015, Elvira Nabiullina paid attention to the fact that they don’t know what to do with cryptocurrencies all over the world, therefore the Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not call upon them to prohibit, but is going to carefully study their nature.

After almost four years, 4 September 2017, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation reiterated the statement “On the use of private“ virtual currencies ”(cryptocurrency).” It emphasized the unchanged position expressed as early as 2014, but the text of the statement was no longer so declarative. In particular, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation emphasized that, together with other structures, it is engaged in developing approaches to the definition and regulation of cryptocurrencies in the Russian Federation. The text of the new appeal was less categorical in relation to citizens and legal entities, moreover, emphasis was placed not so much on intimidation by the appearance of suspicion of involvement in money laundering and terrorist financing, but on high risks of financial losses and possible fluctuations in the course.

Bitcoin under the hood of the law. The Ministry of Finance wants to regulate cryptocurrency in Russia As early as December 2014, the Ministry of Finance of Russia prepared a draft law on the prohibition of cryptocurrency and other money substitutes in the territory of the Russian Federation. According to the draft, the federal laws “On the Central Bank”, “On Information, Information Technologies and Information Protection”, as well as the Code on Administrative Offenses (CAO), were to be amended to prohibit the production and circulation of money substitutes and for him a certain responsibility. However, the bill was not even submitted to the discussion of the State Duma of the Russian Federation at that time - it was rejected at the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, drawing attention to the vagueness of the wording and the fact that not only cryptocurrencies, but also numerous marketing programs can be defined as monetary surrogates.

Three years later, the head of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, Anton Siluanov, in his public speeches, once again called cryptocurrency a money surrogate, but stressed that working with Bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies should be professionals who understand financial instruments and are able to quickly find their bearings during a fall in the course. The basis for settlements in Russia remains the ruble, the then head of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation emphasized.

However, many Russian major entrepreneurs and well-known financiers from the very beginning of “cryptocurrency fever” demonstrated a much more loyal attitude to virtual money. So, already in 2015, the president of Sberbank of Russia, German Gref, stated that it is not worth banning cryptocurrency in Russia. In September, 2017, Mr. Gref, arguing about the prospects of blockchain technologies based on cryptocurrency, said that the blockchain is fraught with enormous opportunities - both in business and in public administration (by the way, in Dubai, in the United Arab Emirates, in in the foreseeable future they are going to transfer all government bodies to the blockchain). The head of Sberbank expressed confidence that a ban on cryptocurrency can only play a negative service to the Russian economy, but nevertheless stressed that it does not advise ordinary citizens to invest in cryptocurrency and participate in cryptocurrency operations.

In April, 2017, Russian Deputy Finance Minister Alexei Moiseyev, in one of his interviews, stated that in 2018, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation could legalize cryptocurrency in order to create mechanisms for regulating cryptocurrency operations and tracking illegal financial transactions. The need for legislative regulation of cryptocurrency operations in the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation was also explained by the need to protect the national currency, i.e. rubles, as the only means of payment in the territory of the Russian Federation.

But, perhaps, the final word regarding the future of cryptocurrency in Russia remains with President Vladimir Putin. In October 2017, the head of state, speaking at a meeting on the introduction of digital technologies in the financial and banking sector, the use of innovative financial instruments, stressed that it was necessary to regulate cryptocurrency, but it was important not to create barriers that would impede the development of the modern economy. October 24 2017, Vladimir Putin instructed the Russian government and the Bank of Russia to develop the basic principles of cryptocurrency regulation, mining and ICO in the Russian Federation.

In January, 2018 was published on the website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation on the long-awaited bill "On digital financial assets", which, if adopted as a law, will be designed to regulate the situation related to the issue and circulation of cryptocurrency. The bill provides a legal definition of tokens, cryptocurrencies and mining. According to the draft law, a digital financial asset is a property in electronic form, created using encryption tools. Ownership of such property will be ascertained through the introduction of digital records in the register of digital transactions.

Cryptocurrencies and tokens are considered as digital financial assets. At the same time, the bill emphasizes that only legal entities will be able to exchange one cryptocurrency for another or one for money exchange transactions with digital assets. Operators of the exchange of cryptocurrency for money can only be professional participants of the securities market, having the right to carry out brokerage and dealer activities, as well as forex dealer activities, ordinary citizens will not be able to carry out cryptocurrency exchange operations.

Mining cryptocurrency in the bill is recognized as a business activity with all the ensuing consequences in the form of taxation and liability in the case of engaging in illegal business activities. As for the majority of ordinary citizens (individuals), who are classified as unqualified investors in the draft law, they will not be able to buy tokens worth over 50 thousand rubles in one issue. Cryptocurrency exchange transactions for unqualified investors can only be carried out by special exchanges.

It is on the issue of transactions with the exchange of cryptocurrencies that differences exist between the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of Russia. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is convinced that operations with cryptocurrencies retain a high risk of legalization with their help of funds. The Central Bank of Russia does not believe in the possibility of completely deanonimizing cryptocurrency operations, since even identification of the final participant of the cryptocurrency chain will not help to track the entire chain of creation and circulation of cryptocurrency until it reaches the licensed exchange site. In addition to this point, other claims on the text of the bill in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation have not yet been voiced. Of course, there are grounds for fear of cashing in with government agencies. For example, in September 2017, in the Kostroma region, FSB and police officers detained three citizens involved in illegal operations with the sale and cash-out of bitcoins. According to law enforcement, they managed to cash out more than 500 million rubles.

However, the growing attention to cryptocurrency, in addition to the desire to seriously improve its financial situation through speculative operations, is dictated by the fact that cryptocurrency allows you to accumulate significant funds without having to report to the regulatory authorities. Since Rosfinmonitoring is working more and more actively with banks, striving to control operations with large amounts of cash, the field of cryptocurrencies turns out to be an ideal space for operations that they don’t want to advertise to state bodies.

If cryptocurrencies in Russia nevertheless receive formal legal regulation, then our country will be on the list of the most “advanced” in this respect states that keep pace with the times. The well-known economist Mikhail Delyagin, in particular, noted that if Russia is now the fifth country in the world in terms of cryptocurrency transactions, the adoption of the bill, after bringing it into final form, will allow Russia to become the first in terms of legal regulation of cryptocurrency and cryptocurrency operations. For the economic development of the country, this can bring serious benefits, and that is why, by the way, President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly expressed support for the careful use of cryptocurrencies.

In the business and expert community, the appearance of the draft law of the Ministry of Finance reacted rather positively. The fact that the government has abandoned prohibitive measures against cryptocurrencies shows a progressive dynamic and a desire not to abandon modern financial instruments. Of course, the Ministry of Finance’s bill, according to many experts, is frankly raw and needs additional refinement. But the very fact of his appearance testifies to positive shifts in the management strategy.

Regulation of cryptocurrency creates the conditions for investment in cryptocurrency by large financial organizations. Since professional and licensed investors will be able to work in the market, the liquidity of cryptocurrency will increase, and therefore cryptocurrency transactions will become safer and even more interesting for businesses and ordinary citizens who want to invest in cryptocurrency.
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  1. Adjutant
    Adjutant 30 January 2018 06: 02
    +2
    They created a toy for themselves
    Themselves regulate
    May it bother them
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 30 January 2018 06: 35
      11
      Ministry of Finance wants to regulate cryptocurrencies in Russia


      The Ministry of Finance generally wants to keep all the incomes of our citizens under control ... tax them and milk and milk to a state of moderate severity.
      While Bitcoins didn’t hurt anyone, why did the financial authorities become afraid of them? I think it’s a fear of losing control over the savings of citizens ... it would be better if they were engaged in oligarchs and the dollar system was limited where there are a lot of problems because of them for our citizens.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 30 January 2018 08: 34
        +5
        What, are you afraid of the little farm?
        If everyone will release his money, and the state will only eliminate the consequences, then go to hell.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 30 January 2018 11: 14
          +4
          If everyone will release his money, and the state will only eliminate the consequences, then go to hell.

          So far, this money has been flowing billions abroad to offshore ... and I don’t see something that the state should eliminate the consequences of the leakage of this money ... so your message is not addressed. what
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 30 January 2018 12: 54
            0
            You don’t translate to offshore. I asked you.
        2. vadson
          vadson 30 January 2018 12: 52
          +2
          Quote: EvilLion
          What, are you afraid of the little farm?
          If everyone will release his money, and the state will only eliminate the consequences, then go to hell.

          the little farmhouse will not bring any harm - the scale is not the same, I don’t mean industrial options, and as a result, an ordinary citizen can’t buy any digital money in Russia - you won’t buy bread and milk. but speculators on exchanges need to be cut, if in the legal field of the Russian Federation it will be possible for foreign investors to buy and sell infocurrency - well, to hell with them, let them pay taxes from this. state companies to ban playing on exchanges. private traders let them trade at their own risk and pay tax on this. and mining for the people is only +
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 30 January 2018 12: 54
            0
            They already brought me.
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 30 January 2018 16: 02
              +2
              Quote: EvilLion
              They already brought me.

              Computer games are not doing well. Miners care about your mental health, dear Evillion. Do you think stabbings in schools - is it just that? Deny the time of the game to hell, leave only a scarf and sapper laughing
  2. SHURUM -BURUM
    SHURUM -BURUM 30 January 2018 06: 31
    +4
    Investors in the cryptocurrency market - how is it? Well, cunning people will pick up cryptocurrency self-contained candy wrappers, and who, what state will exchange them for their money? They want Russia to become this state? That she again compensated for the loss of all participants in the new MMM? And do not say what Russia wants. This is someone in Russia who really wants to.
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 30 January 2018 06: 55
      +2
      Quote: SHURUM-BURUM
      Investors in the cryptocurrency market - how is it? Well, cunning people will pick up cryptocurrency self-contained candy wrappers, and who, what state will exchange them for their money? They want Russia to become this state? That she again compensated for the loss of all participants in the new MMM? And do not say what Russia wants. This is someone in Russia who really wants to.

      this “candy wrapper” bitcoin is currently more stable than the ever-wooden ruble will be, already the tenth year.
      1. Loess
        Loess 30 January 2018 08: 08
        +5
        this “candy wrapper” bitcoin is currently more stable than the ever-wooden ruble will be, already the tenth year.
        More stable? You probably didn’t follow his course: a couple of weeks before the New Year, his course from 10000 rose to 20000, and in the same couple of weeks after NG fell back to 10000 and hangs there. With such volatility, Bitcoin is a paradise for speculators, and it is impossible to stabilize its rate in principle.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 30 January 2018 08: 11
          +2
          Quote: Less
          More stable? You probably didn’t follow his course: a couple of weeks before the New Year, his course from 10000 rose to 20000, and in the same couple of weeks after NG fell back to 10000 and hangs there. With such volatility, Bitcoin is a paradise for speculators, and it is impossible to stabilize its rate in principle.

          and you then I hope to follow the ruble exchange rate? Even in this case, if you take a segment in five or so years, then the cue ball has a clear advantage. You see what the question is, the ruble is being depreciated due to inflation, while bitcoin has grown tenfold over the same period.
          1. Loess
            Loess 30 January 2018 08: 25
            +3
            I watched, do not hesitate, with a ruble in a week I will buy the same product for the same money, but for bitcoins it is far from a fact, I can buy it in two cheaper, or maybe three times more. So this is roulette, and gambling is forbidden here) Regarding the 5-summer stretches, the example of tulip fever in Holland is very indicative.
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 30 January 2018 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: Less
              I watched, do not hesitate, with a ruble in a week I will buy the same product for the same money,

              I would be your reckless optimism laughing , investors in 2014 would not agree with you, and ask your parents what happened to their savings in 1991. All the same applies to Bitcoin ... well, except that only the profit is bigger once in 1000)))
              1. vadson
                vadson 30 January 2018 12: 56
                0
                and why buy it? work for export)))) mined and sold some kind of dive abroad, let him invest in it and wait for a tree with gold to grow on a field of miracles
                1. MadCat
                  MadCat 30 January 2018 13: 51
                  0
                  Quote: vadson
                  and why buy it? work for export)))) mined and sold some kind of dive abroad, let him invest in it and wait for a tree with gold to grow on a field of miracles

                  if that mine isn’t a profitable bit, I bought only rubles! I'm fse, thanks for watching lol
  3. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 30 January 2018 06: 36
    +4
    The Primorsky Territory Administration is considering the issue of building a mining farm. Is this the beginning of the construction of a digital government? And before that, farms were built for pigs and cows request
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2018 06: 41
    +5
    seeking to capitalize on cryptocurrency transactions
    The Japanese have already been removed. Hackers stole such an amount that how they will settle accounts with investors is questionable.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 30 January 2018 06: 47
      +2
      Then the children of SOROS had fun ... I believe that this is it ... a fan of color revolutions is behind bitcoins.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 30 January 2018 11: 11
        +3
        I honestly tried several times to understand what kind of cryptocurrency it is. But some set of abstruse words. Maybe the brains are not the same. Or maybe some kind of financial scam.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 30 January 2018 11: 13
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        Then the children of SOROS had fun ... I believe that this is it ... a fan of color revolutions is behind bitcoins.

        Soros has already given an accurate description of Bitcoin, which already has competitors under the thousand-soap bubble.
        Is the bill approved by the FSB and the tax police?
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 30 January 2018 15: 53
          +2
          Quote: Balu
          Soros has already given an accurate description of Bitcoin, which already has competitors under the thousand-soap bubble.

          For those in an armored train. There will be 21 million bitcoins in total. Dollars, euros, rubles, and all the rest are printed like candy wrappers. As much as the cunning uncles decided in the government and the central bank.
          And after that - a bitcoin bubble?
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 30 January 2018 16: 27
            +1
            Quote: Winnie76
            For those in an armored train

            For those who are in an armored personnel carrier: the ruble is provided with gold, a buck-nothing. There is bitcoin, but you can’t see it and you can’t feel it, as well as about a thousand of its competitors around the world. request
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 30 January 2018 17: 12
              +1
              Quote: Balu
              For those in an armored personnel carrier: the ruble is provided with gold

              Seriously? Is the whole ruble mass straight? And is there an inscription on the bill? And where can I exchange, at Sberbank? Do not tell, Baloo.
              Quote: Balu
              There is bitcoin, but you don’t see it and you can’t feel it,

              You also can’t feel the electron and even see it. But he is.
              Quote: Balu
              as well as about a thousand of its competitors around the world.

              The total capitalization of cryptocurrencies compared to the global economy is a drop in the bucket. And if at least a small fraction of cash is poured into the crypt, the cue ball will hit lam dollars apiece. Well, 100 thousand for sure.
  5. zyzx
    zyzx 30 January 2018 06: 42
    +2
    You need to finish this coven, and the sooner the better. Enough for the world and one candy wrapper, in the form of a dollar.
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 30 January 2018 07: 00
      +1
      Quote: zyzx
      You need to finish this coven, and the sooner the better. Enough for the world and one candy wrapper, in the form of a dollar.

      The ruble is no less "candy wrapper" than the dollar, the dollar does not have such volatility ... and it is used in international trade ....
      Now I have a question, what is the Sabbath, you Zimbabwean dollar because I hope it does not interfere with life? laughing or maybe it’s him, A?
      1. zyzx
        zyzx 30 January 2018 09: 41
        0
        Dear, what words from the TV do you know. And now, an economist from our gateway, explain how the provision of money with goods and services of a particular state affects the action of a particular currency speculator?
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 30 January 2018 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: zyzx
          Dear, what words from the TV do you know. And now the economist from our gateway,

          when the argument ends at d1rak, he goes over to personality, this is about you. once again, who said that the ruble is provided with something? Government? No, of course there is regulation by the central bank that regulates the government, which is controlled by the Personality of Self, who spit on all regulators .... laughing
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 30 January 2018 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: zyzx
      You need to finish this coven, and the sooner the better. Enough for the world and one candy wrapper, in the form of a dollar.

      I support, this is exactly what will finally finish our unhappy economy.
  6. parma
    parma 30 January 2018 06: 59
    +2
    All major Internet services refused him, so he has no consumer future, only speculative remains, which means it is MMM on a global scale ...
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 30 January 2018 07: 40
      +2
      Quote: parma
      All major Internet services refused him, so he has no consumer future, only speculative remains, which means it is MMM on a global scale ...

      Bitcoin is a means of international transactions and not buying a loaf in a stall.
  7. Simon
    Simon 30 January 2018 07: 09
    +3
    Quote: The same Lech
    Ministry of Finance wants to regulate cryptocurrencies in Russia


    The Ministry of Finance generally wants to keep all the incomes of our citizens under control ... tax them and milk and milk to a state of moderate severity.
    While Bitcoins didn’t hurt anyone, why did the financial authorities become afraid of them? I think it’s a fear of losing control over the savings of citizens ... it would be better if they were engaged in oligarchs and the dollar system was limited where there are a lot of problems because of them for our citizens.

    So the oligarchs need these bitcoins. The ruble and the dollar are controlled by the state, and here bitcoins - wherever you want to send over the Internet, no control. request
    1. vadson
      vadson 30 January 2018 13: 02
      0
      the scale is not the same, look at the capitalization of Bitcoin and the average amount of one transaction, it does not smell like oligarchs
  8. savage1976
    savage1976 30 January 2018 08: 05
    +4
    A lot of comments from people who have heard about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies only from the TV. Again, the cook knows better how to rule the state.
  9. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 January 2018 08: 20
    +1
    Has anyone tried to remember what money is?
    Money is the universal equivalent, serving as a measure of the value of any goods and services and capable of exchanging directly for them. In its form, money can be a special commodity, a security, a sign of value, various goods or values, or records on accounts.

    And bitcoin is a product that they decided to consider expensive, but no one needs it anyway.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 30 January 2018 11: 15
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      And bitcoin is a product that they decided to consider expensive, but no one needs it anyway

      Because he is not provided with anything. This is a candy wrapper for tax-free criminal settlements. Already recorded settlements with ISIS terrorists bitcoins, including and for the attacks.
      1. varangian
        varangian 30 January 2018 12: 48
        +1
        And what are the dollars provided for?) The same candy wrappers, they print as much as they want)
      2. vadson
        vadson 30 January 2018 13: 06
        0
        the problem of bitcoin in my purely amateurish opinion is that in the process of its production useless work is performed and electricity is stupidly burned. mega tasks on calculations would be solved would be useful and, accordingly, the economic equivalent in real currency
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 30 January 2018 13: 01
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      And bitcoin is a product that they decided to consider expensive, but no one needs it anyway.

      In vain you are so. The cue ball take-off in the 17th move was caused in particular by the withdrawal of money by our bourgeoisie into the anonymous zone, that is, into the cue ball.
      Hence the government’s interest in digital technology.
      And the state’s interest in regulation is only because everyone who needs money has already taken it away.
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 30 January 2018 08: 32
    0
    To prohibit cryptocurrencies, I need a new video card.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 30 January 2018 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: EvilLion
      To prohibit cryptocurrencies, I need a new video card.

      Prohibit cryptocurrencies, EvilLion finally give a video card, the atom will be like last time.
      A question for connoisseurs: why did prices for components, laptops and PCs so sharply increase over the year? belay
      Which month I choose, I can’t stop at anything within 20 thousand. I can only find, read reviews and my hand reaches for anti-crunch. I am afraid to get in touch with online stores, they promise little. What to do? winked
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 30 January 2018 11: 28
        +1
        why so sharply in a year the prices for accessories, laptops and PCs soared?

        prices began to rise due to the release of new KabbyLake technology, developers even warned of growth
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 30 January 2018 12: 55
        0
        Laptops are cheap at that dollar.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 30 January 2018 16: 11
          +1
          Quote: EvilLion
          To prohibit cryptocurrencies, I need a new video card.

          Prohibit games, Evillion as a potential extremist to take into account. And also ban laughing
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 30 January 2018 16: 29
            +3
            Quote: Winnie76
            Quote: EvilLion
            To prohibit cryptocurrencies, I need a new video card.

            Prohibit games, Evillion as a potential extremist to take into account. And also ban laughing

            Evillion to give a graphics card for free, but prohibit mining bitcoin lol
  11. Fedor egoist
    Fedor egoist 30 January 2018 11: 58
    +2
    Quote: savage1976
    A lot of comments from people who have heard about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies only from the TV.

    Definitely. Moreover, the most "informed" know the maximum about bitcoin. Knowledge is limited to the theses “this is a soap bubble”, “another MMM”, “a toy for oligarchs”, “not provided with anything” and so on. Nobody knows about ethereum, lightcoin, ripple, monero and other altcoins. Like the fact that many of them, rip, in particular, are already being used by the largest banks in the real economy. Once again, I am convinced that cryptocurrencies are only at the beginning of the path.
    By the way, Bitcoin and the company are not leaving for a correction for the first time. Here it is not necessary to cluck, but to purchase a little bit of everything. Grandchildren will say thanks later)
    1. varangian
      varangian 30 January 2018 12: 47
      0
      First of all, these are technologies that are not controlled by banks and the state, hence the desire to control everything.
  12. varangian
    varangian 30 January 2018 12: 46
    +1
    This is pretty funny, because from all corners they shout that it’s a bubble and now they decided why people shouldn’t cut it off yet, maybe not a bubble =))
    By the way, the capitals of deputies are not declared in the crypt, but the law has not been written for the gentlemen.
  13. Earnest
    Earnest 30 January 2018 12: 48
    +6
    I read the comments and did not see anything new: a lot of people who have never bought at least 1 satoshi, talk about the benefits and dangers of cryptocurrencies. From myself: I won’t write about the 20 multiple take-off of Bitcoin in the 2017 year, I’ll write that only exchanging part of the “cue-cakes” deposit for broadcast on the night before Christmas brought in an income of 100%.

    What are qualified investors? What ... (a strange person) will give back to the asset an asset that was originally thought of as decentralized and anonymous, read - “bearer deposit”, to some unknown bodies with a license? Again, "Prasu give me a quarter moonshine for temporary use"? 50 000 rubles from one token in one hand? Well, I have 7 titles on deposit, 3 of adult children, I, my wife, mother-in-law with my father-in-law, two brothers and a sister with me, two brothers and a sister with my wife - I already scored 7x13x50000 = 4.550.000 as an unqualified investor. Do you know how many cryptocurrencies are there? The site https://www.coingecko.com/ru now tracks 1226 denominations, that is, those that have some kind of market value. Again, write the laws, like a nose in a glass gurgling! Write simply and clearly: declare income for the year on the website tax. Ru in the form of No. ХХХ and pay 13%, home miners - as IP, for simplification. Everything!
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 30 January 2018 16: 19
      +1
      Yes, just let them take the percentage for cashing. At first, the brains themselves are composted, they complicate everything, and then they are surprised that people don’t want to pay money. As in due time with the receipts of the traffic police. It's easier to pay a gaytz in your pocket
    2. Fedor egoist
      Fedor egoist 30 January 2018 16: 43
      +3
      Quote: Earnest
      I have already scored 7x13x50000 = 4.550.000 as an unqualified investor

      Is it difficult to trade with Exmo with such a deposit (screenshot from there)? The exchange is still too small ... although if you invest, for a long time, then it doesn’t matter)
      I wonder how government agencies are going to regulate the turnover and exchange trading of cryptocurrencies. Torrents, and they could not win. All locks are dispensed with minimal difficulty. It is generally ridiculous to raise the tax issue until cash flow controls are established - and this is not feasible in principle.
      1. savage1976
        savage1976 30 January 2018 18: 37
        +1
        they cannot really impose their financial (ruble, dollar, or any) system, and to crypts they still like to copper.
  14. Earnest
    Earnest 30 January 2018 12: 54
    +4
    Quote: Balu
    Quote: Gardamir
    And bitcoin is a product that they decided to consider expensive, but no one needs it anyway

    Because he is not provided with anything. This is a candy wrapper for tax-free criminal settlements. Already recorded settlements with ISIS terrorists bitcoins, including and for the attacks.

    What nonsense ... So I imagined how ISIS drives cue ball flash drives in the deserts, and the militants are checking against the attack on the Korean exchange before the attack wassat
  15. Seld
    Seld 30 January 2018 13: 11
    +2
    Quote: MadCat
    Quote: zyzx
    Dear, what words from the TV do you know. And now the economist from our gateway,

    when the argument ends at d1rak, he goes over to personality, this is about you. once again, who said that the ruble is provided with something? Government? No, of course there is regulation by the central bank that regulates the government, which is controlled by the Personality of Self, who spit on all regulators .... laughing


    " who said that the ruble is provided with something"- ABOLEDIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Go back to grades 10-11 of the middle parish school, and there, in simple and unpretentious textbooks, you can find the answer to what is provided (or not provided) by the "rupee" (or any other den.unit on the planet ... Karl !!!! ON PLANET !!!!!!).
    Namely, including: OBJECTIVE AND SUBJECTIVE reserves / factors:
    - GOLD!!!!!!!!
    - PLATINUM !!!!!
    - SILVER !!!!!
    as well as other rare earth metals and carbons (joo !!!! not to be confused with hydrocarbons !!!!!, although .....................), which lie and the dust
    in SECURITY .... I heard, probably about rare-earth metals from the periodic table? No? Come on, crap, read school books ....
    And not at all bucks and euriks ....
    These are objective factors ... indisputable and eternal!
    Also, den, the unit has SUBJECTIVE security factors:
    - number of manufactured goods and services;
    - their quality;
    - the demand for such goods and services at a given time.
    If, for example, the demand for your bullshit on the forum is high, then you can naughty the looter or ... take in kind equal to the den equivalent.
    And ischo, cudgel, is OBJECTIVELY - SUBJECTIVE (E) FACTOR (S) (and this is the most interesting moment (s):
    - the area of ​​the state-va on which this particular unit is in circulation;
    - the presence / absence / degree of infrastructure (of any kind) on such an area;
    - the amount of material resources: human, water, forest, natural, in general.
    And now, it’s for these last objective and subjective factors that all life, even before the birth of Christ, there were “graters” between tribes and states in a distant and near historical perspective. Even before the buck ... yeah ....
    And if you remove all speculators from exchanges and other "offices", the rupee will be the most reliable currency in the world! For it is provided "for tonsils" to everyone and everything; and even economic indicators, if they are recalculated in proportion to the geyrop economies, where the area is several times smaller. And where, sorry, there’s not a damn thing, by and large!
    And the "songs" about "Mercians, iPhones and other h..nyu" can’t be sung because it’s a trifle compared to .... uh, mmmmmm, let's say, setting up production of at least one submarine (which launches the WHOLE INDUSTRIES in the machine . PRODUCTION !!!!)

    I cry: in the Russian Federation, hectares of land are being distributed for free ... I scolded ...

    But the bucks / Jews are provided with vile proclamations of all sorts of different wiseacres who, a little sho, immediately buy a piece of gold ... The same goes for bitcoins (which, by the way, I own in a small amount). WHO PLAYED IN MMM, NOW ALREADY DARKNESS ...
    1. savage1976
      savage1976 30 January 2018 18: 43
      +1
      all that you cited above (gold, platinum, rare-earth metals, gohran) is not the provision of the ruble, but the accumulation of material wealth. if they were collateral, then gold in 1997 and in 2018 was worth the same amount of rubles. Well, and how they helped secure the ruble, you probably yourself remember and know very well.
  16. tracer
    tracer 30 January 2018 16: 14
    +2
    Call theft and deception whatever you like, blockchains, cryptocurrencies, whatever. This does not change the essence. Now new generations will be stripped to the skin. They were so diligently fooled at schools and paid institutes ... Only the local Mavrodi and the overseas punks will no longer rob them. All the "garlic" globalization ...
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 30 January 2018 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: tracer
      Call theft and deception whatever you like, blockchains, cryptocurrencies, whatever. This does not change the essence. Now new generations will be stripped to the skin. They were so diligently fooled at schools and paid institutes ... Only the local Mavrodi and the overseas punks will no longer rob them. All the "garlic" globalization ...

      If at the moment the “garlic” at the moment the government rips you off with planned inflation and the issue of capital, how is it that nothing is squeezing you? Still all this “stability” negotiated resulted in the same planned crises for voluntarily forced selection of savings - + once every ten years ...
  17. NF68
    NF68 2 February 2018 15: 54
    +1
    This is an even cooler scam than the American dollar.
  18. Varyag71
    Varyag71 2 February 2018 16: 03
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    Quote: EvilLion
    What, are you afraid of the little farm? If everyone will release his money, and the state will only eliminate the consequences, then go to hell.

    Recently, red-haired Chubais said that our economy is bad because gas and electricity are cheap. Cheap for the population. Offers to increase. Why aren't you outraged? Cryptocurrency is an opportunity not to depend on the Fed, to which the Central Bank is subject.
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