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Landing on Mars over the next 20-30 years will be difficult, says the head of ESA

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The landing on Mars over the next 20-30 years is hardly possible, leads TASS words of the head of the European Space Agency (ESA), Jan Wörner.




In December, Donald Trump signed guidelines for space exploration. In the medium term, the United States will again send astronauts to the moon and thus lay the foundation for the realization of more long-term plans - a trip to Mars.

In ESA, such plans are generally feasible, but, in their opinion, this will take much longer. According to Wörner, “even under the condition that the flight program to the Earth satellite will have unlimited funding, it will not be possible to land there before 2025”.

At the same time, ESA is ready to participate in the project.

I can imagine that a European astronaut will participate in it,
said Wörner, noting that "as a barter for a flight to the moon, Europe could offer Americans technology."

He considers sending a manned mission to Mars to be an even more long-term goal.

With mars история such that it is possible to hold discussions about it, however in the next 20-30 years it will be hard to realize the goal,
said the head of the agency.

As the main obstacles on the way to the planet, he called, “firstly, the lack of appropriate technologies, and secondly, the issues of moral ethics and responsibility”.

It is hard to imagine that you are sending a person on a journey of two years long without the possibility of going back. When flying to Mars, you can’t just go and turn around, at least with our current technology,
noted Worner.

The agency recalls that the Americans are planning to create a manned station in the orbit of the moon, to use it as a reference point, including for flights to Mars. The plans are also to create a base on the lunar surface. The relevant directive Trump signed on December 11 2017 of the year. The time and financial framework was not indicated.
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  1. The black
    The black 28 January 2018 18: 07
    +1
    Well, except that the Sumerians will fly back wassat... on the swans ...
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 28 January 2018 18: 11
      15
      Landing on Mars in the next 20-30 years is hardly possible

      Heretic, burn him at the stake! Elon Musk will fly tomorrow, all Americans know this wassat
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2018 18: 16
        +1
        And he can really fly in 10 years - an interplanetary transport system.
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 28 January 2018 18: 48
          10
          Quote: Vadim237
          And he can really fly in 10 years - an interplanetary transport system.

          Fly, fly with Rogozin on a trampoline. laughing
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 42
            0
            Rogozin in 2028 is likely to be retired - without a trampoline.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 28 January 2018 19: 47
              +1
              When the United States fought with the USSR for prestige, money was allocated for the space program.
              Why allocate money now? This is interesting for scientists, but until they prove that money can be gotten from this, the budget will be scarce.
              So I think the first on Mars will be the Chinese.
            2. ICT
              ICT 28 January 2018 20: 30
              +1
              and even it seems to me roofing felts in LONDON roofing felts somewhere in Rendostan will settle
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 28 January 2018 18: 19
      19
      How will Americans fly to the moon if Stanley Kubrick dies? belay
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 28 January 2018 18: 43
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        How will Americans fly to the moon if Stanley Kubrick dies?

        Right now, computers fly to other galaxies wassat They will draw it so chic that there will be no doubt for consumption consumption laughing
      2. Bypassed
        Bypassed 28 January 2018 22: 36
        +1
        Yes, S. Kubrik is dead. But his work lives on!
        Type in the search engine "Mars removed on Devon"
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 28 January 2018 18: 30
      +1
      Landing on Mars over the next 20-30 years is hardly possible, TASS quoted the head of the European Space Agency (ESA), Jan Werner.

      Yes, it is simply not known whether there are necessary carbon or other resources there, and who is protecting them there ... It is terrible to fly into the unknown!
      1. Topotun
        Topotun 29 January 2018 11: 38
        +1
        The question is different, why push enormous funds into the organization of such a flight. When the same automatic stations will make it possible to get no less (and maybe even more scientific data. Nevertheless, they do not need a life support system .... Why at this stage of development should such a flight be forced? Prestige? Just for the sake of someone breaking up - were we the first? Well, there were so? What did this give the country besides a bunch of expenses?
        1. Petrix
          Petrix 29 January 2018 12: 41
          0
          Quote: Topotun
          The question is different, why push enormous funds into the organization of such a flight.

          For the development of these funds, including.
    4. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 28 January 2018 20: 06
      +8
      The main thing is that we were the first to state that apple trees will bloom on Mars. smile
  2. Tusv
    Tusv 28 January 2018 18: 08
    0
    The pulsating engine has already been invented and even tested. There are other options, but after 10 years. One way is possible in a couple of years
    1. avt
      avt 28 January 2018 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: Tusv
      The pulsating engine is already invented and even tested.

      Even on V-1, in general, we have a copy before Chelomei’s end of the war. bully Rather, they had in mind the detonation engine and what Schauberger still announced with the notorious torsion fields.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 28 January 2018 18: 25
        +1
        There is a theory, turn it into practice, it’s just one way
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 January 2018 18: 22
      +1
      The pulsating engine is suitable only for the atmosphere, but the NRE is another matter. And then purely NRE, a thermonuclear rocket engine and a saltwater nuclear engine - in the long run.
    3. dorz
      dorz 28 January 2018 18: 23
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      The pulsating engine has already been invented and even tested. There are other options, but after 10 years. One way is possible in a couple of years

      A serious problem is lethal doses of radiation on the way to Mars. Not only cowards will have to be made of lead.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 28 January 2018 18: 28
        +1
        Quote: dorz
        A serious problem is lethal doses of radiation on the way to Mars. Not only cowards will have to be made from lead

        There are other ways to protect your eggs. am
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 28 January 2018 18: 32
          +7
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: dorz
          A serious problem is lethal doses of radiation on the way to Mars. Not only cowards will have to be made from lead

          There are other ways to protect your eggs. am

          Leave on Earth?)
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 28 January 2018 18: 48
            +1
            Leave on Earth?)

            Well so forward. Our scientists will think about the effect of eggs in space.
            1. johnik
              johnik 29 January 2018 00: 15
              +2
              Eurogames will fly ...
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 43
            +1
            Create a cold plasma - the ionosphere around the ship.
            1. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 28 January 2018 23: 39
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Create a cold plasma - the ionosphere around the ship.

              The absence of conditions for the draining of an electric charge, which inevitably arises during the generation of a plasma, it will die out at any energies applied to the generator. Electrical breakdown. Shorting the plasma.
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 29 January 2018 00: 02
                0
                And if at all without plasma, just a magnetic field?
                1. Vkd dvk
                  Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 00: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Mestny
                  And if at all without plasma, just a magnetic field?

                  If you are going to defend yourself against corpuscular radiation - the nuclei of atoms that have collapsed as a result of nuclear processes - then the magnetic field will theoretically protect. The energy needed is colossal. No Dnieper plants are enough.
                  But this is a waste. Radiation from the Center of the Galaxy is not a corpuscle, but a wave. X-ray and gamma. And they are practically not deflected by magnetic fields.
                  1. Mestny
                    Mestny 29 January 2018 17: 10
                    -1
                    Thanks for the clarification. I am not an expert in this area, I just ask.
                    I thought - well, in near-Earth space we are somehow protected from all this, probably the Earth’s magnetic field. So I suggested, since the intensity of this field is approximately 0,5 E, that is, 40 A / m
                    1. Vkd dvk
                      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 19: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Mestny
                      Thanks for the clarification. I am not an expert in this area, I just ask.
                      I thought - well, in near-Earth space we are somehow protected from all this, probably the Earth’s magnetic field. So I suggested, since the intensity of this field is approximately 0,5 E, that is, 40 A / m

                      It seems to me that the size of the magnet is of great importance.
                      Similar tension is easily achieved in the laboratory. But with such volumes that distance meters, beyond which the Oersteds fade to minuscule amounts, it is impossible to slow down or reject. A thousand kilometers is the place to deflect charged particles. Van Allen Belt. And the outer belt is 20000 km high. Here, any inertia will not help. To simulate such power for humans is not given.
        2. earloop
          earloop 28 January 2018 19: 31
          +1
          In lead underpants, it’s hard to move and lead through the skin will enter the bloodstream, poisoning the entire body, including the “egg”. Given that time changes in outer space in different ways, then upon the return of the subject from a space mission, the said bodies will prove to be unnecessary on Earth either by their owner or other members of the terrestrial society of the opposite sex. By the way, they will not interfere in dancing with any Martian! Therefore, it is advisable for deep space fans to quickly remove unnecessary organs before flying. There, in space, perhaps for free, they will install a new universal apparatus for the whole Universe!
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 28 January 2018 19: 49
            0
            Quote: earloop
            By the way, they will not interfere in dancing with any Martian!

            Well what to say. In front of the reference Ushkuynik and Viking, a small stinky substance hi
        3. Bypassed
          Bypassed 28 January 2018 22: 39
          +1
          There are other ways to protect your eggs.
          Is it like leaving home?
        4. Petrix
          Petrix 29 January 2018 12: 44
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          There are other ways to protect your eggs.

          Declare a set of eunuch astronauts.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 28 January 2018 18: 43
        +1
        According to the Mars rover, it’s not at all deadly even without protection.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 54
        +1
        They will make a multi-hull ship - like a layer cake, and in the center there are living quarters.
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 28 January 2018 23: 50
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          They will make a multi-hull ship - like a layer cake, and in the center there are living quarters.

          The radiation intensity of the Galaxy is hard X-ray, gamma rays, thousands of times higher than the radiation of the Sun, and, moreover, many times weakened by the Earth's magnetic field.
          Alpha and beta radiation of the Sun is quickly and efficiently repelled by the field, since this species is charged particles. And absorbed by the atmosphere. X-ray and gamma are wave radiation that cannot be deflected by a magnetic field. It is electrically neutral. A steel case with a thickness of at least 100 mm, covering not only residential compartments, but also food warehouses. Further. Secondary radiation generated in the thickness of the screen. Something needs to be done with him too. During the years of a perfectly calm Sun, on the flight path, a person will receive radiation, which is considered dangerous, and received in a lifetime. Flying back will certainly kill him. Two years is a guarantee of fatal exposure. And no one can guarantee that during this period the Sun will not throw a fortel.
  3. HUMANOID
    HUMANOID 28 January 2018 18: 11
    +6
    If the resources that humanity spends on the war are directed to space, then they would have been there long ago
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 28 January 2018 18: 15
      +6
      Quote: HUMANOID
      If the resources that humanity spends on the war are directed to space, then they would have been there long ago




      And what is there to do to a person?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 28 January 2018 18: 25
        +6
        Town Hall, watch the series "At the Edge of the Universe." There are many interesting things in space.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 45
        0
        Master and move to Mars.
      3. HUMANOID
        HUMANOID 28 January 2018 22: 30
        0
        Why do climbers stupidly conquer Mount Everest every year?
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 28 January 2018 23: 34
          +3
          Quote: HUMANOID
          Why do climbers stupidly conquer Mount Everest every year?




          That is, to spend another hundred billion dollars in order for 3-4 people flied once and looked at the lifeless desert?
          1. Petrix
            Petrix 29 January 2018 12: 55
            0
            Quote: Town Hall
            That is, to spend another hundred billion dollars in order for 3-4 people flied once and looked at the lifeless desert?

            And it’s better to consume these billions, spend on the extraction and burning of oil, or on the invention of a super-duper iPhone and throw it in the trash in a month, or it can spend on war to destroy all these potential astronauts.
            1. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 13: 05
              0
              Quote: Petrix
              Quote: Town Hall
              That is, to spend another hundred billion dollars in order for 3-4 people flied once and looked at the lifeless desert?

              And it’s better to consume these billions, spend on the extraction and burning of oil, or on the invention of a super-duper iPhone and throw it in the trash in a month, or it can spend on war to destroy all these potential astronauts.

              What nonsense is that? Do you want to replace one stupidity with another? Then why are you smarter than those nonsense?
            2. Town Hall
              Town Hall 29 January 2018 13: 08
              +1
              Quote: Petrix
              Quote: Town Hall
              That is, to spend another hundred billion dollars in order for 3-4 people flied once and looked at the lifeless desert?

              And it’s better to consume these billions, spend on the extraction and burning of oil, or on the invention of a super-duper iPhone and throw it in the trash in a month, or it can spend on war to destroy all these potential astronauts.




              You have some kind of gloomy fantasy in terms of spending money. What country do you mean when you paint these financial horrors?
              1. Petrix
                Petrix 29 January 2018 14: 39
                0
                Quote: Town Hall
                You have some kind of gloomy fantasy

                I just forgot to put the question at the end of the sentence.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 28 January 2018 18: 21
      +1
      What did we forget there? winked Let the glands fly there.
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 28 January 2018 20: 25
        +8
        With this money, you could build a ladder to Mars.
        1. Petrix
          Petrix 29 January 2018 13: 06
          0
          Quote: Rusland
          With this money, you could build a ladder to Mars.

          staircase 3m - 25.u. To Mars 55 million km. Total: 55000000 / 0,003 * 25 = 458 333 million cu hi
  4. sabakina
    sabakina 28 January 2018 18: 16
    +3
    The agency recalls that the Americans plan to create an inhabited station in the orbit of the moon to use it as a stronghold, including for flights to Mars. Plans also include the creation of a base on the lunar surface.
    No, well, I myself have been fond of science fiction since childhood, but not to the same extent you have to be naive. The next 100 years no one will fly anywhere. So be afraid.
  5. taiga2018
    taiga2018 28 January 2018 18: 19
    +2
    flight for the sake of flight? what is Mars interested in for mankind?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 January 2018 18: 36
      +3
      Quote: taiga2018
      flight for the sake of flight? what is Mars interested in for mankind?

      Well, if you listen to the Americans, then not only on Mars, you screw on Mercury!
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 28 January 2018 18: 45
      +4
      Quote: taiga2018
      what interest to mankind is Mars?

      If the crew will consist of Trump, Hilary, Tillerson, McCain, Obama and Soros, then the flight is possible this year. Wherein
      the flight program will have unlimited funding
      because half of the planet will be flown to flight (one way).
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 46
        0
        In the first week of flight they will gnaw each other and the flight will not take place to the end.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 28 January 2018 19: 55
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          In the first week of flight they will gnaw each other and the flight will not take place to the end.

          On the contrary! According to the final results, this will be the greatest flight in the history of mankind.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 January 2018 23: 50
            0
            Others will instantly take their places - the same.
    3. Petrix
      Petrix 29 January 2018 13: 08
      0
      Quote: taiga2018
      what interest to mankind is Mars?

      The same as America for Europe during the time of Columbus.
  6. Simon
    Simon 28 January 2018 18: 20
    +2
    Quote: RASKAT
    Landing on Mars in the next 20-30 years is hardly possible

    Heretic, burn him at the stake! Elon Musk will fly tomorrow, all Americans know this wassat

    Well, this is for the Americans, but for the Russians? Let the Americans show and prove how they flew to the moon, they already have experience that no one else believes. wassat
  7. Egorovich
    Egorovich 28 January 2018 18: 20
    +3
    Previously, the two great powers were competing for space and a lot of money was invested in it. And now everything has turned into a routine and no special achievements are visible, and the money is tight for everyone. For a long time about this Mars and the Moon will be gnawing, while only words are visible.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 January 2018 19: 48
      0
      So far, words are in Russia, while in the USA they are already finishing up with superheavy rockets and manned ships - private traders are pulling the same thing.
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 29 January 2018 02: 29
      +1
      Previously, the two great powers were competing for space and a lot of money was invested in it. And now everything has turned into a routine and no special achievements are visible, and the money is tight for everyone. For a long time about this Mars and the Moon will be gnawing, while only words are visible.


      After the collapse of the USSR, the USA did not stop financing NASA. Although they have reduced the budget, but to say that there were no achievements is absolutely wrong. Here is an AMC list.

      Mars Global Surveyor 1996
      Mars Pathfinder 1996
      Cassini 1997
      Mars Odyssey 2001
      Spirit and Opportunity 2003
      2004 Messenger
      Martian reconnaissance satellite 2005
      New Horizons 2006
      Juno 2011
      Curiosity 2011
      MAVEN 2013

      These devices are in fact almost the only sources of information about deep space. But there are still Hubble telescopes, Spitzer, Kepler and Chandra.
  8. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 28 January 2018 18: 22
    +3
    Engines are not a great problem. The main thing in flight to Mars is protection against radiation during flight and after landing on the planet. Mars does not have a powerful magnetic field that protects from the solar wind. So the question of the existence of life on Mars is postponed indefinitely. The same applies to the near-moon station. Serious doses will be received.
  9. gla172
    gla172 28 January 2018 18: 30
    +2
    ....what for????????????.....
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 January 2018 18: 37
      +3
      What why????
      1. gla172
        gla172 28 January 2018 20: 09
        +3
        .... beer is diluted .....
  10. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 28 January 2018 18: 36
    +5
    "... landing on Mars in the next 20-30 years is hardly possible ..."

    Well, thank God. Really let it go. Now I am calm for Mars. For 30 years no one will share it ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 January 2018 18: 42
      +4
      Lesha, hi I, I wrote above, that the next 100 years we will rub in low Earth orbit. Unless the little men tell us how to go further.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 28 January 2018 18: 54
        +5
        Well and good, Glory. This means that predatory plunder of natural resources does not threaten the planets of the solar system. Yes, and there is no one to carry democracy ...
  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 28 January 2018 18: 40
    +4
    "Europe could offer Americans technology as a barter for a flight to the moon."
    Where are they from? What, did Europe send something to the moon that the Yankees did not send? belay
  12. polpot
    polpot 28 January 2018 18: 43
    0
    Envy takes how many people steal money and fly it does not fly allah only knows
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 29 January 2018 13: 12
      0
      Quote: polpot
      Envy takes how many people steal money and fly it does not fly allah only knows

      Fly away. It’s necessary to hide so much stolen money somewhere.
  13. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 28 January 2018 18: 48
    +1
    Optimistic forecast - flight to Mars over the next 30 years.
    Without achieving a guaranteed return (achieving real technical feasibility), the flight will not take place.
    Such a forecast puts the mark of a fraudster on Ilon Mask.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 January 2018 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vkd dvk
      Such a forecast puts the mark of a fraudster on Ilon Mask.

      Uh, no what Now it is heard that one-way voluntary flight, such as for colonization. Everything is cheaper ... And a plus for the participating boys - if during the flight the ability to get excited does not lose, then on Mars for lack of alternatives and for the benefit of the colonists of the time it will be a rampage lol
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 00: 04
        0
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Quote: Vkd dvk
        Such a forecast puts the mark of a fraudster on Ilon Mask.

        Uh, no what Now it is heard that one-way voluntary flight, such as for colonization. Everything is cheaper ... And a plus for the participating boys - if during the flight the ability to get excited does not lose, then on Mars for lack of alternatives and for the benefit of the colonists of the time it will be a rampage lol

        Chatting about a voluntary flight when it is not expected, and for a very long time, is possible. Idiots wandering around the edge of roofs, arrows of cranes, for the sake of a false notion of glory, for the sake of selfie ..... But in Space we need not crazy people, but hard workers. Normal people who have not lost human values, morality, conscience. It is easy to imagine WHAT the participants of the flight will experience during the long flight, and without the opportunity to see their home, relatives. And especially, knowing that the crew was recruited from schizophrenics. Normal is not capable of it. To perish in the name of a friend’s life. Son. Wives. Brother. A close person. NOT everyone is capable of it. And for the sake of it?
        Take a look at Solaris. The deepest psychological drama. Add here the understanding that THIS IS EVERYTHING in vain. For the follower for whose sake these privations will not be.
    2. Alexy
      Alexy 28 January 2018 19: 51
      0
      He is such and is
  14. Baloo
    Baloo 28 January 2018 18: 52
    +2
    The agency recalls that the Americans are planning to create a manned station in the orbit of the moon, to use it as a reference point, including for flights to Mars. The plans are also to create a base on the lunar surface. The relevant directive Trump signed on December 11 2017 of the year. The time and financial framework was not indicated.
    The moon is also ours, there is nothing to the amers there to do, Tagil taxis and there is no oil.
    Martians are also against the invasion of amers if they are bombarded with strategic asteroids.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 29 January 2018 13: 31
      +1
      While here they are acutely and skeptically criticizing, people are doing things:
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 29 January 2018 13: 52
        +1
        Petrix While here they are acutely and skeptically criticizing, people are doing things:

        We have such modules in free sale. I did not know for those who wanted to fly to Mars.
  15. Labor
    Labor 28 January 2018 19: 12
    +2
    “In December, Donald Trump signed the space exploration directives. The US will again send astronauts to the moon in the medium term and thereby lay the foundation for the implementation of longer-term plans - travel to Mars.”
    Probably inspired after watching the movie Martian.
  16. Dormidont
    Dormidont 28 January 2018 19: 20
    +3
    Soon the Chinese comrades will greatly surprise the Tolerasts
  17. lance
    lance 28 January 2018 20: 35
    0
    oh, exactly in 10-15 years ..... the Chinese will fly. the Russians will give up the nuclear detonation engine and the near-Earth assembly plant, the Chinese will prepare 30-50 astronauts, and the Americans will make the film.
  18. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 28 January 2018 20: 50
    +1
    Werner is not aware that ESA is already making a service module for Orion?
  19. Zina389
    Zina389 28 January 2018 21: 58
    +1
    Do not underestimate the human dream. Some polls were conducted, according to which tens of thousands of people agreed to fly to Mars one way. I am sure that they would fly to the stars if it were technically possible. On the other hand, I agree that governments have no motivation at the moment. The most useful and cheap is a flight to asteroids. But this is too realistic and therefore boring. It seems that the Japanese have such an unmanned landing and drilling program.
    1. axxenm
      axxenm 29 January 2018 09: 12
      0
      Quote: Zina389
      ..The most useful and cheap is a flight to asteroids. But this is too realistic and therefore boring. .

      another fable "green grapes"
  20. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 29 January 2018 06: 58
    +1
    After the Mars rovers and the planned return of the ground by automatic machines, the manned flight to Mars turns into a banal flag-stick. Much more important are flights to asteroids.
  21. Bypassed
    Bypassed 29 January 2018 09: 06
    0
    20-30 years?
    I’m embarrassed to ask, are these gentlemen aware that a person needs water, air, food, vitamins, enzymes, enzymes to exist?
    And so far there is none of this on Mars even to the apple trees there as to Pluto on the four. That is, everything needs to be taken with you. A whole train and once a quarter to send parcels. Well, if they can invent a "field engine" if the commission on "pseudoscience" under Mr. iPhone is allowed.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 10: 08
      0
      Quote: bypassed
      20-30 years?
      I’m embarrassed to ask, are these gentlemen aware that a person needs water, air, food, vitamins, enzymes, enzymes to exist?
      And so far there is none of this on Mars even to the apple trees there as to Pluto on the four. That is, everything needs to be taken with you. A whole train and once a quarter to send parcels. Well, if they can invent a "field engine" if the commission on "pseudoscience" under Mr. iPhone is allowed.

      This is not the worst. Renewable food, water - already obtained. Obviously, they will not be able to fully support Viability for a LONG time, but for the one-way expedition, the deadlines are not so relevant. Another resource is AIR. That’s not just one person or more than one expedition will go crazy over saving what. EVERY exit from the capsule, where a person will live there, will be accompanied by losses. Irrevocable losses. Slightest leaks in
      shell. Air is a thing that Martian Koshchei will wither over. Not gold.
  22. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 January 2018 10: 01
    +1
    Not a lack of technology, but a lack of motivation will not allow a person to land on Mars. Because liberal capitalism only encourages consumption, but it will not bring to Mars! This development path is a dead end for humanity, alas.
  23. JonnyT
    JonnyT 29 January 2018 10: 11
    0
    The Americans are almost ready for an extra heavy carrier, automatic control and landing systems have been worked out, the landing site has been explored, and the communication system has been thought out.
    BUT Americans have the following problems:
    1. There is no guarantee of protection against radiation during the flight to the planet. There is no unequivocal opinion, many say that the dose received during the flight will not be lethal! Kironisi flew over and grabbed nothing lethal! BUT on the very Mars radiation CSO-GO how to live there?
    2. There are no reliable LSSs.
    3. no return guarantee.
    The American suicide bomber can fly to Mars right now and even march and live for several months, but he won’t return!

    On Mars there is water in the form of ice - polar caps and in GRUNT! "The soil discovered by the Curiosity rover was heated for research, during which they noticed evaporating moisture. After that, NASA came to a stunning discovery, finding that there was about a liter of water in a cubic meter of soil." These facts make the colonization of Mars possible!
    Have CARBON! There is silicon, iron, copper, aluminum, gold, Near the belt of asteroids and much falls on the planet, carrying "wealth"

    A power that can populate Mars will become the undoubted leader of all mankind, which means it will be able to dictate its will to all other countries! In the context of a potential nuclear war, the colonization of Mars is an indisputable trump card! This is not a holey American missile defense system! This is a guarantee of survival in the event of a nuclear war. Imagine - Americans colonized Mars - everything !! goodbye to nuclear parity on Earth.

    Mars needed to start deep space flights
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      The Americans are almost ready for an extra heavy carrier, automatic control and landing systems have been worked out, the landing site has been explored, and the communication system has been thought out.
      BUT Americans have the following problems:
      1. There is no guarantee of protection against radiation during the flight to the planet. There is no unequivocal opinion, many say that the dose received during the flight will not be lethal! Kironisi flew over and grabbed nothing lethal! BUT on the very Mars radiation CSO-GO how to live there?
      2. There are no reliable LSSs.
      3. no return guarantee.
      The American suicide bomber can fly to Mars right now and even march and live for several months, but he won’t return!

      On Mars there is water in the form of ice - polar caps and in GRUNT! "The soil discovered by the Curiosity rover was heated for research, during which they noticed evaporating moisture. After that, NASA came to a stunning discovery, finding that there was about a liter of water in a cubic meter of soil." These facts make the colonization of Mars possible!
      Have CARBON! There is silicon, iron, copper, aluminum, gold, Near the belt of asteroids and much falls on the planet, carrying "wealth"

      A power that can populate Mars will become the undoubted leader of all mankind, which means it will be able to dictate its will to all other countries! In the context of a potential nuclear war, the colonization of Mars is an indisputable trump card! This is not a holey American missile defense system! This is a guarantee of survival in the event of a nuclear war. Imagine - Americans colonized Mars - everything !! goodbye to nuclear parity on Earth.

      Mars needed to start deep space flights

      What are fanfares from? How is it known that there is water? How is carbon known? Do you know how to get air (the most important product) there, on Mars? Algae, water, potatoes can, in principle, be brought with you and set up reproduction. It is known that a person with modern methods of water purification needs 17 tons. Losses, of course, will be, together with air at the exits to the surface.
      You did not sit in jail with a firing squad? Did not expect a sentence? Didn’t listen at night to the steps of the guards? EXPECTATION. Here's a thing that no one and nothing can rid of there. It will drive you crazy fast and completely reliable.
      Damn yourself, your decision to doom yourself voluntarily to life in death row.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 29 January 2018 15: 36
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        Ice is freezing water
        So I say that so far, there is no turning back - a one-way flight to Mars.
        For whom is a suicide bomber, and for whom the hero is a colonizer - the founder of the colony.
        In the USSR, the option of using coniferous trees to produce oxygen on Mars was seriously considered. The swindler Musk generally proposes to blow up thermonuclear charges in a thin atmosphere - this should trigger the process of terraforming the entire planet. Others suggest spraying the greenhouse gases that "warm" Mars. A bunch of options.
        In any case, colonization is possible only with a reliable space transport system
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      The Americans are almost ready for an extra heavy carrier, automatic control and landing systems have been worked out, the landing site has been explored, and the communication system has been thought out.
      BUT Americans have the following problems:
      1. There is no guarantee of protection against radiation during the flight to the planet. There is no unequivocal opinion, many say that the dose received during the flight will not be lethal! Kironisi flew over and grabbed nothing lethal! BUT on the very Mars radiation CSO-GO how to live there?
      2. There are no reliable LSSs.
      3. no return guarantee.
      The American suicide bomber can fly to Mars right now and even march and live for several months, but he won’t return!

      On Mars there is water in the form of ice - polar caps and in GRUNT! "The soil discovered by the Curiosity rover was heated for research, during which they noticed evaporating moisture. After that, NASA came to a stunning discovery, finding that there was about a liter of water in a cubic meter of soil." These facts make the colonization of Mars possible!
      Have CARBON! There is silicon, iron, copper, aluminum, gold, Near the belt of asteroids and much falls on the planet, carrying "wealth"

      A power that can populate Mars will become the undoubted leader of all mankind, which means it will be able to dictate its will to all other countries! In the context of a potential nuclear war, the colonization of Mars is an indisputable trump card! This is not a holey American missile defense system! This is a guarantee of survival in the event of a nuclear war. Imagine - Americans colonized Mars - everything !! goodbye to nuclear parity on Earth.

      Mars needed to start deep space flights

      All of the listed "achievements" of Americans are crossed out by a single non-return to Earth.
      Deep space will not threaten us for another couple of centuries. Perhaps a couple of millennia.
      To our earthly happiness, we live on the outskirts of the Milky Way Galaxy. Meeting with another civilization will destroy the earthly culture. Even if the guests will be the most humane .... Simply, because a civilization standing BELOW the earth will not fly to us first. Only standing higher can fly. But then we abandon our development path and borrow a stranger. Which is completely equivalent to the death of terrestrial civilization. NATURE is brilliant. She does not make copies. Not a single leaf, not a single grain of sand is a copy of another. Because the copy does not give an option for the development of perfection. Waste of energy, material, time. So, she made sure that no civilization would copy another. Breeding them at unattainable distances.
      So, get up briskly in the morning, briskly go to work and rejoice in the fact that no one is stopping you from developing.
    3. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 20: 22
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      Quote: JonnyT
      .......

      Mars needed to start deep space flights



      "We see that the magnitude of the speed achieved by the rocket is greater, the greater is the ratio of the mass of the rocket with fuel to its mass without fuel. But how big can this ratio be? Suppose it is unlikely that we managed to build such a rocket in which 0,999999 mass is fuel so that the weight after the fuel is consumed will be only one millionth of the weight of the rocket at the start, then the right-hand side of equality (68) will be 13,8 and, therefore, if the gas escape velocity is 4 km / s, the rocket will be able to reach a speed of 55,2 km / s Until very high speeds have been achieved and classical mechanics can be used, a constant ratio of thrust to rocket mass of 20 m / s2 is equal to the acceleration of the rocket, 55,2 km / s will be reached after 2760 s when the distance covered is 76 000 km After this distance the fuel will be exhausted, the missile device will cease to function.

      Thus, the method currently used in astronautics for communicating thrust to a rocket by burning chemical fuel cannot be applied to flight to stars and galaxies. It is only valid within the solar system. "

      http://www.allkosmos.ru/vozmozhny-li-polety-chelo
      veka-k-drugim-zvezdam-i-drugim-galaktikam /
  24. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 29 January 2018 12: 13
    +1
    It is a pity that it will take so long to wait ((maybe I still will not live up to such a historic moment as the landing of a man on Mars !!
    But if you fly, then not one way. The psyche can’t stand it. Since no one was in such situations, on Earth there are many who are ready to say that they say yes, I will die for the sake of Humanity. The astronauts live for half a year on the ISS, but the Earth is nearby! If that help comes. And there ... Sessions of communication with the Earth with time will begin to seem delirium or sleep, a person seeing through the windows only hopeless darkness will believe that he is ONE in the whole Universe.
    So he should not be awake during the flight. There should be no time for thought. Sleep mode for a year. This technology needs to be explored. In any case, it will come in handy in the future.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 13: 12
      0
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      It is a pity that it will take so long to wait ((maybe I still will not live up to such a historic moment as the landing of a man on Mars !!
      But if you fly, then not one way. The psyche can’t stand it. Since no one was in such situations, on Earth there are many who are ready to say that they say yes, I will die for the sake of Humanity. The astronauts live for half a year on the ISS, but the Earth is nearby! If that help comes. And there ... Sessions of communication with the Earth with time will begin to seem delirium or sleep, a person seeing through the windows only hopeless darkness will believe that he is ONE in the whole Universe.
      So he should not be awake during the flight. There should be no time for thought. Sleep mode for a year. This technology needs to be explored. In any case, it will come in handy in the future.

      Any movements should be made with some ultimate goal. What is the ultimate goal in man’s flight to Mars? Prove to yourself and others that YOU COULD? Create a rocket, ship, train a crew. Convert Mars? What resources, opportunities, efforts. Do these people not look like a schoolboy, a double student, hiding a notebook with a deuce and starting a new, clean notebook, where there are no deuces yet? Corrupt the Earth, get a deuce and hide the results of insanity from yourself?
      NOT conquering new spaces for destruction and remaking for yourself, stupid. Remaking himself. Here is a goal worthy of a true CREATOR.
      Or drag half the atmosphere, water, minerals to Mars to get comfortable there and plant apple trees?
      But you need to know that there is no magnetic field there and all efforts will be wasted. Mars will soon lose these treasures. But what will happen on Earth?
      1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
        ALEX_SHTURMAN 29 January 2018 17: 36
        +1
        Earth, unfortunately, is not eternal, gradually the amount of water on the planet is reduced. Water vapor decomposes under the action of external radiation in the upper atmosphere into oxygen and hydrogen. Some hydrogen molecules acquire the necessary speed and forever leave the Earth's gravitational field. A hydrogen plume scattering in space stretches behind our planet. The size of the Sun will increase in the future and the zone of life will move to Mars, it will become very hot on Earth. It is clear that this is very good. distant prospect, but humanity must think about preserving its civilization. Yes, and the development of a thing has always been very good. risky, all first sailors risked their lives.
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 29 January 2018 19: 24
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          Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN
          Earth, unfortunately, is not eternal, gradually the amount of water on the planet is reduced. Water vapor decomposes under the action of external radiation in the upper atmosphere into oxygen and hydrogen. Some hydrogen molecules acquire the necessary speed and forever leave the Earth's gravitational field. A hydrogen plume scattering in space stretches behind our planet. The size of the Sun will increase in the future and the zone of life will move to Mars, it will become very hot on Earth. It is clear that this is very good. distant prospect, but humanity must think about preserving its civilization. Yes, and the development of a thing has always been very good. risky, all first sailors risked their lives.

          Nothing is eternal. The Earth is not eternal, the Sun is not eternal. The Universe is not eternal. Those billions of years, presumably, given to earthlings should be used properly. Not the search for movers capable of taking them to uncharted distances, spending incredible means, but an attempt to create yourself anew. In the form of a field. In the form of an information field. Some matrix. This is the guarantee of peace. There’s nothing to fight for. A supernova does not need oil, air, bowels, money and food. Energy is drawn directly from the Sunlight. (Any star, what's the difference?). There are no diseases. Immortality achieved. The whole universe will become home. Movement at the speed of light. Meteors, cosmic radiation are safe. You can fly through the red giant Betelgeuse.