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Who was the orderly in the Red Army?

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The practice of appointing, from among the lower ranks in all European armies, soldiers serving as officers was generally accepted. In the mass literature of the beginning of the 20 century, this character was depicted satirically. Suffice it to recall the famous "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik." The orderly or orderly had to carry out the officer’s simple household assignments, carry notes and letters, buy provisions, and generally take care of the life of his commander.

In the tsarist army, such ranks gradually turned into a kind of parasitic layer, into a caste of people far from combat work. Batman was reputed to be the main speculators and gossips. The fame of them spread not the best.

The personal officer's assistant manager was canceled after the revolution. And in the Red Army, the tradition of having officers serving as commanders was not encouraged, although in fact the orderlies remained. For example, the famous orderly Petka under the divisional division Chapaev.

In the thirties, the position of an orderly was considered simply humiliating and not deserving of respect. It seemed that everyone was equal in Soviet society; there were no servants and no masters.
But by the end of the 1930s, generals appeared in the Red Army, the military aristocracy, which is in the order of the old Russian army. By 1943, the stripes and golden epaulets returned to military use. Together with the similar attributes of the officer rank, the orderlies also returned to the daily routine.

In the Red Army, the rank of an orderly was officially legalized during the years of the Great Patriotic War in the active forces at the front. The orderly consisted of commanders from XXNX to XXNX. They were supposed to be with persons belonging to the commanding staff of the Red Army. Even platoon commanders had such assistants. Comrade Stalin himself took care of the introduction of the post of an orderly as supreme commander. He stressed that orderlies are given to officers in order to improve the quality of command of personnel.
So in the middle of 1945, the high command of the army in the USSR even issued a special order, which regulated all the activities of orderlies and commanding officers, in whom they were subordinate.

In particular, the order stated the following:

№ 317.
Order on the introduction of full-time orderlies for generals and officers of the Red Army number 0154 27 August 1945

1. In order to discharge generals and officers from personal business affairs and to give them a greater opportunity to improve their general and military training, I order:
Introduce regular orderly to carry out personal chores for all generals and colonels * occupying positions in the formations,
* Words "and colonels”Added I. Stalin.
the headquarters and institutions of the Red Army, including for generals and colonels in reserve and in military schools.
Introduce full-time orderlies for officers holding established positions according to the attached list.

2. To appoint Red Army men who have completed the first year of study, who do not have a secondary education and mainly from among those who wish, as an orderly.
In the military units up to the regiment inclusive, the orderlies shall be listed in the lists of the relevant subdivisions; in the headquarters and offices of the brigade, division, corps - in the lists of brigade, division, corps.
Ordinartsev generals and colonels of the army, front, district and central office of the NPO in the list of parts of the relevant subordination.

3. Establish that the orderlies are subordinate to those persons to whom they are appointed. The latter, in relation to the orderlies, use the disciplinary authority in accordance with their official position *, and they must give the orderlies three days a month to undergo training in line units in whom the orderlies are assigned to.

4. Grant the right to receive money to generals, colonels, and other officers **, who are assigned to orderlies, but who wish to replace them with the content of a civilian employee.
In these cases, the maintenance of civilian servants to pay 300 (three hundred) rubles *** per month.

5. Directive on Ordiniers for number 994235 of 9 on April 1942 of the year shall be considered null and void.
People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Generalissimo of the Soviet Union I. STALIN

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POSITIONS OF THE OFFICER'S COMPOSITION FOR WHICH STAFF ORDINARIANS ARE APPOINTED

A. Rota, battery, squadron, air squadron, a separate squadron - all branches of the military and universities
1. The commander of the company, battery, squadron, squadron, a separate squadron.

B. Battalion, division - all types of troops and universities
1. Battalion Commander, Division.
2. Deputy battalion commander, division.
3. Assistant commander of the battalion division.
4. Chief of Staff (Adjutant Senior) of the battalion, division.
B. The regiment of all types of troops
1. Regiment commander
2. Deputy regiment commander
3. Assistant commander of the regiment.
4. The chief of staff of the regiment.
* The end of the 3 clause after the word “position” was added by I. Stalin.
** The words “to colonels and other officers” are inserted by I. Stalin.
*** The sum of “300 (three hundred) rubles” is affixed by I. Stalin instead of the proposed sum of 222 rubles.

G. Management of the brigade of all types of troops
1. The commander of the brigade.
2. Deputy Brigade Commander
3. Assistant Brigade Commander. 4 Chief of Staff Brigade.
5. Deputy Chief of Staff of the brigade.
6. Head of the operational part.
7. The chief of operational intelligence.
8. Head of communications, head of the liaison office, head of communications.
9. Head of Engineering Services, Head of Engineering Services, Brigadier Engineer.

D. Management of the division of all military branches
1. Division commander.
2. Deputy Division Commander.
3. Assistant to the commander of the division.
4. Chief of Staff of the Division.
5. Deputy Chief of Staff.
6. Head of Operations Department, Head of Operations Department.
7. The chief of operational intelligence.
8. Head of liaison office, head of liaison department, head of communication.
9. Division Engineer, Head of Engineering Service.
10. Senior Navigator Division.
11. Radar Engineer, Head of Radar Service.

E. Department of the corps of all combat arms
1. Corps commander.
2. Deputy Corps Commander.
3. Assistant commander of the corps.
4. Chief of Staff Corps.
5. Head of Operations Department.
6. Head of intelligence department, head of operational intelligence.
7. Head of the communication department, head of the communication service, head of communication.
8. Cabinet engineer, head of engineering service.
9. The head of the armored service.
10. Chief navigator.
11. Chief Engineer.

G. Management of the fortified area
1. Commandant of the fortified area.
2. Deputy commandant of the fortified area.
3. Assistant commandant of the fortified area.
4. Chief of staff.
5. Deputy Chief of Staff.
6. Head of Operations Department.
7. Head of the post office.
8. Head of Engineering Service.
9. Head of Artillery.

F. 4, op. 11, d. 80, l. 264 — 268. Script.


Ptitsyn got into his orderlies by accident. In the August battles under a large bombing, Ptitsyn, along with several other soldiers who had departed from the front line, was detained at the location of the division command center. They insisted on giving all of them to the tribunal, but Serpilin, having learned about them by the evening when the general situation had improved, wanted to look at the fugitives himself - he had no habit of chopping off the shoulders.
Ptitsyn attracted his attention with a dull look and a thick, gray-haired, not shaved bristle. Because of this stubble, he seemed almost like an old man.
Serpilin asked what year he was. It turned out that 1895 is the same age.
Serpilin ordered all the rest to be sent back to the front line on the first occasion, and took Ptitsyn as his orderly, instead of the one killed the day before during the bombing.
“I will personally verify what kind of person you are,” he said to Ptitsin, “and once again, drape, personally, and shoot me.”
So Ptitsyn stayed with Serpilin in the orderlies. He didn’t try to grab any more, and his lack of persistence and absolute honesty - the quality in the orderly important - Serpilin liked.
Serpilin believed that this middle-aged and multi-family soldier, in a civilian profession to the accountant, was ordered by God himself to be an orderly. Yet the family has seven souls, and being killed in the orderlies is less likely than in a company.
As for courage, Ptitsyn was not braver and not more cowardly than others, a man as a man. Fear of death outwardly expressed in him only in one thing: under fire, Ptitsyn tried to keep himself very close to Serpilin, believing in his heart that he would not kill the general.
And now he began to step on Serpilin’s heels and made him laugh at this ...
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  1. Alekseev
    Alekseev 3 February 2018 07: 21
    11
    I.V. Stalin, for all the contradictory nature of him personally and his era, was a great pragmatist ...
    Including the little things.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 3 February 2018 07: 39
      +3
      The officer must be a special caste in peacetime.
      His authority and demand from him in civilian life should be much higher than that of a simple citizen, only then he can decisively take upon himself the burden of responsibility during the military.
      And who cannot, he should not be an officer.
      Let him cook himself cabbage soup and so on himself.
      And then, after all, sometimes the officer is afraid to stop hooliganism, and does not have the authority to do that, they don’t give him personal weapons, just hold on to firing, or even go to many outfits without armed ones, the authorities teach him to think that the main thing is it is "no matter what happens."
      So we have what we have.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 3 February 2018 09: 53
        11
        Alekseev

        And you also need to introduce the nobility, and each of them has serf servants, for servants and "housekeeping."
        The nobility is caste, officers are caste, officials are caste. And then we will live in a caste society, like India. And everyone has higher rights than ordinary people.

        Well, isn’t it funny? Not nasty from all this?
        In the people, everyone should be equal, everyone’s work is evaluated according to their dignity and gravity, nothing more. And the rest orderlies, orderlies, errand slaves, leave in the past.
        In wartime, the commander needs an assistant to carry out all sorts of tasks, but not a servant. In peacetime, he must cope with all his "economic affairs."
        M. Gorky: “This man sounds proudly,” and one cannot humiliate him with servile duties.
        1. Sedoy
          Sedoy 3 February 2018 15: 53
          +1
          And then we will live in a caste society


          you might think you now live in a different society .. :)

          In the people, everyone should be equal


          it's such a joy ... :)
          if you are "stupid in life" (not disabled) and do not make efforts to become better, then why should you, "mitrofanushka", live like the one who is a "doctor / scientist / master of his business" that benefits society and yourself .. . :)

          crooks, while not considering.

          no brother, "eat" what you deserve, and without us you have enough earplugs - one power is worth ... :)
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 3 February 2018 16: 20
            +9
            you might think you now live in a different society .. :) - Sedoy

            The first one. On the site it is customary for strangers to contact you. Were you not taught in your childhood?
            The second one. I did not write that real capitalist Russia is not "caste." In Russia, capitalism, and accordingly two castes, or more correctly, two antagonistic, irreconcilable classes - capitalists and working people.
            The third. In the people, everyone should be equal in their rights and opportunities, otherwise it will be an unequal society. But equality of rights, for your information, does not mean equality in the assessment of everyone’s work. To a miner - taking into account the underground danger of work, a pilot - a flight pilot, a doctor for skillful qualifications in treating people, etc. - everyone has a different job.
            I have it written in the comment -
            In the people, everyone should be equal, everyone’s work is evaluated according to their dignity and gravity, nothing more.

            If you do not understand this, then you are probably a “mitrofanushka”!
            You are on the VO site recently, and therefore learn to be polite, and correctly read the comments. hi
      2. Sergey Medvedev
        Sergey Medvedev 3 February 2018 11: 30
        +4
        Quote: Alekseev
        Let him cook himself cabbage soup and so on himself.

        I'm not against. But senior commanders want officers to spend 25 hours a day in the service. And according to the Constitution, 8 hours are allowed. I am retired, but I don’t think that today the situation with the working day of a combat officer has changed. And I don’t think that will change.
        And if orderlies in the army are restored, it will be from above, and not from the lordly habits of junior officers. Or an 8-hour work day. (this does not fit in my head at all).
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 4 February 2018 11: 30
        +4
        "The officer must be a special caste in peacetime" ////

        An officer must NOT be a special caste in either the peace or the military
        time. Only if the officers merge with the rank and file, do they eat the same thing together,
        sleeping nearby, then the fighters trust them.
        Ordiners are a wild relic of the Middle Ages (squire).
        1. pacific
          pacific 6 February 2018 21: 41
          +1
          Fighters will trust the professional. To the one who does not drive them, well, slaughter. Someone who knows how to use their weapons and equipment most effectively, who knows how to win with the least losses.
          But what he eats and where he sleeps is still secondary. Although important.
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 4 February 2018 12: 36
        +4
        father from 30 years old remembered- "grandfather (my great-grandfather) said:" here we are in the first imperialist .. "and so on (father didn’t remember or said something empty?)
        Only one episode ----
        IMPORTANT --- REASON FOR THE GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION-
        great-grandfather served as a batman under the officer. serves coffee in bed. "Ivan, I told you how many times I told you. What is needed with the foam." Razz-zzz on the teeth of his great-grandfather. "Go do as taught."
        He went out the door, spat in the cup, shook his finger and handed it again. "That's the way to do it"
        In this spit, the reason for the defeat in the WWI and the destruction of the Ros Empire and its army. Tired of enduring dentists, not re-educated officer A, turned out to be. and the whole nobility
        maybe the reason is dentition?
        27g
    2. Cat
      Cat 3 February 2018 09: 08
      11
      Hmm, Dear Alexey "Stalin is a pragmatist!" Directly removed from the tongue!
      Special thanks to the author for the article. The topic he raised is far from simple, although I think it was raised by the author with some excesses and presented to us a little one-sidedly.
      The institute of orderlies proved to be valuable precisely during the War and was reflected precisely in the Great Patriotic War. By the way, unlike the orderlies during the First World War, the orderlies respected the orderlies.
      For his commander, Petrovich was the last reserve, a messenger and a rear at the same time. And if in the trench with the words "Well, sons I’m from the commander, help you a little", gray-haired Petrovich climbed for all of them there was an "alarm bell", which would be difficult, we had to hold our teeth, but resist. In addition, the confidence and confidence of the battalion commander was warming in the trench with Petrovich. He believes that if he sent Petrovich, he did not come. The battalion commander himself apparently in the second ....

      Petrovich is always calm, he allowed to grumble at the battalion commander only when they were left alone. The guards listened with pleasure to these attacks in the dugout. "I didn’t eat again, where I broke my tunic." The battalion commander, being without a father from the grandfathers at first, did not know how to react to Petrovich. Then he got used to it, got stuck. From these attacks Petrovich blew home. So if he began to "rage" everything calmed down, everyone around tried to absorb the crumbs of this distant but warm grunt.

      Petrovich showed his character infrequently, but many believed that during the year of the war he "picked up" during the battalion commander and, if there were no commanders nearby, took command. And with such inevitable softness that unfamiliar majors fulfilled his instructions without question. Once, in pursuit of our convoy, German tanks came out. Petty Officer was at a loss, then Petrovich began to command "sons there, horses here, Report to Kombat battalion commander, you’re still here. Sasha with the guns return, but not here, but on that little toss. Throw Kolya’s kitchen and dig two trenches with the chefs under Sanina’s forty An hour later, there was a classic “fire bag” at the place of the convoy. And on the toe, in addition to the guns, there were four self-propelled guns in ambush with a major at the head. The battalion commander had only to meet the German and roll him into a pancake. Colonel’s minimum. "

      They knew who Petrovich was under the Warrant, when he, sitting in a trench, caught a crazy fragment. Upon learning that Petrovich was wounded after him, the regiment commander himself sent his car. Being in a stretcher, Petrovich insisted on his (self-appointed replacement) cook Andreik, 17 years old. The battalion commander loves, the battalion commander considers, the battalion commander ...
      This Andreika became the culprit in revealing the past of Petrovich. Having received instructions from the battalion commander to sew on the chenel the newly received major epaulets. Andrei caved in and spun on the chenille even better gold with the monograms of Nicholas II. Given that he made a hole for a major star himself. That Petrovich was apparently a colonel in a past life. The battalion commander was puzzled himself, but told Andreika to be silent. Although apparently Anedreika was guilty of the fact that the whole battalion and possibly the entire regiment knew about it, with the special forces in full force. But upon Petrovich’s return there wasn’t anything, Andreika was returned to the cook.

      I listened to this story small from the cousin of grandfather A. Yeremeyev The ending he did not know was wounded. But the story was instructive, given what it was told in the late 80s and the narrator was a communist and colonel of justice.
      1. Curious
        Curious 3 February 2018 10: 30
        +3
        "Special thanks to the author. "
        Thanks to the author, one could say if he instead of the paragraph "But by the end of the 1930s, generals appeared in the Red Army, the military aristocracy, which gravitated to the orders of the old Russian army. By 1943, the stripes and golden shoulder straps returned to military use. Together with similar attributes of the officer’s rank, ordinary people returned to everyday life. " gave a clear explanation of these processes.
        Just from the mid-thirties, the rejection of the thoughtless party-communist dictatorship begins. The return to life of some old forms of social organization useful to the new system is one of the signs of the then "perestroika".
        1. Cat
          Cat 3 February 2018 11: 30
          +3
          Dear Victor, I’m talking about the same “thank you to the author for the topic”, thanks to him we will discuss, write comments, argue and agree!
          With your post, I agree to all 100! The author’s same thought struck the ears.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 3 February 2018 18: 21
          0
          Kurios, you are right: from the mid-thirties, Stalin gradually began a kind of "perestroika", by this time it became clear that the "world revolution" was bullshit.
          There is a book by Poretsky: “I was an agent of Dzerzhinsky” and Stalin’s words are held there: “a gang of useless donors (about the Comintern), they won’t make a revolution in a hundred years.”
          The fact that the "perestroika" began can be judged by the films: from 1937 there were paintings: "Treasure Island", "Children of Captain Grant" or "Peter 1", and two or three years ago there were completely different paintings.
          I already thank God many times that YouTube exists: how many times have I reviewed it and they are not bored
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      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 3 February 2018 18: 30
        0
        My friend Iwimu, let me ask: why this quote? By the way, I already read about it somewhere and thought: if Stalin is so suspicious that they are eavesdropping on his comrades, how did he leave such a witness? Disorder
        1. lwimu1976
          lwimu1976 3 February 2018 19: 39
          0
          alexeyev Today, 07:21
          I.V. Stalin, for all the contradictory nature of him personally and his era, was a great pragmatist ...
          Including the little things.
        2. lwimu1976
          lwimu1976 4 February 2018 13: 27
          0
          Joke.
          The order was at the Black Sea Fleet. It read: Loss of communication is a loss of control. Loss of control is inevitable
          leads to the disruption of the combat mission. (Here I have the loss of translating the keyboard into English. Punctuation marks suffer. I apologize!)
          So Comrade Stalin was establishing control!
          1. pacific
            pacific 6 February 2018 21: 49
            +1
            Loss of communication is loss of control. Loss of control is inevitable
            leads to the disruption of the combat mission.

            Actually, this is from the Ship's charter.
            1. lwimu1976
              lwimu1976 7 February 2018 09: 59
              0
              Order on the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR. Last digits 40.
              1. lwimu1976
                lwimu1976 7 February 2018 10: 43
                0
                Pacific. Greetings! He lived in Slavyanka in 58g.
    4. Vend
      Vend 5 February 2018 10: 08
      0
      Many things have returned from the Russian Empire to Soviet Russia. As soon as the propaganda husk flew off, they began to return to practical everyday life.
  2. eugraphus
    eugraphus 3 February 2018 07: 38
    +3
    To fight, so to fight, write me to the convoy! It was always annoying when they declared - it went through the whole war from start to finish and not just a single wound! Lucky !. According to the documents assigned to the unit, and in fact was there three days a month. And how many more were the PWs and sons of the regiment.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 3 February 2018 09: 01
      +6
      Quote: eugraphus
      and sons of the regiment.

      Well, what about the "sons" you are overstepped here. They were not supposed to be at the front at all.
      1. eugraphus
        eugraphus 3 February 2018 09: 42
        +3
        During my life I had a lot to hear stories from direct participants in the Second World War. Other life stories do not fit into any generally accepted framework of behavior. Something can be explained by elementary hunger, and something simply by animal instincts. And so it turned out that I can understand it, that the kids, in order to survive, nailed to the military units, but when the uncles who had already grown up talked about their heroism during the war, and then some, as they were younger and faster, became chairmen of the councils of veterans WWII, as I do not accept it. Here is a young man, this, together with the crew, risked being sunk in battle. These are doubly heroes.
        1. Cat
          Cat 3 February 2018 10: 48
          +6
          ? Faster!
          That is, in your opinion, a child of 12 years old, having a prospect of assessing that in the future he will be useful in replacing the post of chairman of the collective farm "True Way" in the biography "son of the regiment" - was going to be recorded in the last! ???
          It can be simpler, life is a complex and unpredictable thing, and during the war years, the risks increase many times over. Children were beaten to military units in most cases, sorry for the tautology - by chance. To describe the drama of the stories of these children, my hand does not rise.
          A smaller category and fled to the front on purpose. Literally hundreds of snotty boys and girls who fled to the front were removed from trains in the rear and frontline. And literally everything, contrary to your opinion, not for porridge with meat, but "to beat the fascists to the folder." I happened to listen to a colleague's report, where he read out a couple of explanations of the captured children of the war - pain and tears. Especially the review of the "runner" which was taken fifty miles from home. I quote from memory, “I’m Elankin Alexander, I promise to help my mother dig up potatoes upon returning home, and after reaching 12 years old, go to work at the factory and help beat the fascist in the rear. I promise Captain Aunt Anna not to run to the front from mother!” All Aless, period. Do not be Shurke farm chairman!
          By the way, there was another category of children who ran for bread to Tashkent, but this is a different story and other figures.
          1. eugraphus
            eugraphus 3 February 2018 11: 53
            0
            No need to juggle. I perfectly understand that the children did not calculate the prospects of using the status of the son of the regiment in the future. They lived those days. No one disputes your examples, the movie Eternal Call is also recalled. He grew up on Soviet education and was ready to die for his homeland. We had both Alexandra Matrosova and Zoe Kosmodedemyanskie - pride and example, but there were orderlies, and pzh, and guards, and other hangers-on. Maybe I’m out of luck, but there were so many such people around. And they did not hesitate to talk about their life, did not consider it shameful, but on the contrary they were confident in their rightness.
            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 3 February 2018 18: 49
              0
              I completely agree with you: there were such creatures. Here in our village, in the party organization and co-operation on the Veterans Council, there was one front-line soldier: "I fought at the front, and so on," and the other old man once said: "let him not get there, he served in the shot tribunal’s team"
        2. Sergey Medvedev
          Sergey Medvedev 3 February 2018 11: 16
          11
          Quote: eugraphus
          And so it turned out that I can understand it, that the kids, to survive, nailed to military units,

          Our regiment in Chechnya kid picked up a blond-haired, 1st company. Chechens killed a family; he was not at home. So he, in your opinion, dreamed of a career then! So it’s also not marine, it won’t drown with a ship! Well, just an opportunist! At 10 years old. Upon returning to the PPD, he was sent to the cadet.
          And I’m surprised about you. How does the earth carry it?
          1. eugraphus
            eugraphus 3 February 2018 12: 01
            0
            And you, too, distort. Where did you see that I wrote that since childhood they dreamed about a career? He himself came up with, and immediately surprise, indignation, "How does the earth carry such?"
            1. Sergey Medvedev
              Sergey Medvedev 3 February 2018 13: 10
              +4
              Here are your derogatory words about the sons of the regiment
              Quote: eugraphus
              And how many more were the PWs and sons of the regiment.

              here's about opportunism
              Quote: eugraphus
              that the kids, in order to survive, nailed to military units, but when their uncles had already grown up, they talked about their heroism during the war, and then some, since they were younger and faster, became chairmen of the councils of WWII veterans

              Here are your pearls about Jung.
              Quote: eugraphus
              Here is a young man, this, together with the crew, risked being sunk in battle. These are doubly heroes.

              Apparently, who is not a young man, he is generally nobody. Land children do not fall under shelling, and also under bombing. To them, the fighters alter their uniforms from large to small, feed from the belly, pamper. They warm themselves with their soul near children. Not a life, but a holiday! But young people, this is different in your opinion! They can drown!
              I repeat. How does the earth carry it?
  3. bubalik
    3 February 2018 09: 02
    +5
    He ate his officer butter with cookies, without hesitating why it was put to me, but not to the soldier. Of course, we had a batman for two of us (and, in a noble way, an “orderly”), whom I somehow worried about and urged me to follow my person and cook us all the food separately from the soldier.

    A. I. Solzhenitsyn
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 3 February 2018 09: 24
    +3
    Always, in every environment, there are people trying to lick one place for the boss. Even in a system like the army.
    On the other hand, the battalion commander, company, or even platoon, which has 40 soldiers subordinate, will not go into the kitchen for porridge and tea?

    In reality, the orderlies turned into orderlies, i.e. the servants, they cleaned their commander’s boots, hemmed the doorways, washed the underpants, etc. Here, not every person will do. Need, so to speak, "lackey habits." Well, if you already said about the "lackey habits", then you have to say about the "lordly habits" of individual commanders.

    Having said about the orderlies, they forgot to say about such a category of servicemen as adjutants. These are also "characters" still those. They know how, umm, to "please" ... It is clear that a high-ranking commander cannot do without him, but nevertheless .., there is something humiliating in this position ..

    Personally, I would eliminate this name. For example, Comrade Stalin had neither an adjutant nor a secretary. There was just an assistant.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 3 February 2018 11: 21
      +5
      How did Stalin have no secretary? And who is Poskrebyshev? And Vlasik, who was in charge of almost the entire life of the leader?
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      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 3 February 2018 16: 45
        +3
        Do not react to the stupid stuffing of the troll, he only needs it.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 3 February 2018 19: 14
      0
      "about the" masterly manners of "individual commanders" Voronov describes such a general: he orders the warmer to warm his boots, change shoes, and the cook heats the porridge. When I read it was already sickening
  5. Blue cop
    Blue cop 3 February 2018 14: 45
    16
    In the tsarist army, such ranks gradually turned into a kind of parasitic layer, into a caste of people far from combat work. Batman was reputed to be the main speculators and gossips. The fame of them spread not the best.

    There were heroes, do not generalize.
    Soviet orderlies were also different
  6. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 3 February 2018 14: 57
    +4
    Yesterday there was a curious infographic on Vesti 24. The staff of the army is 1,9 million people, of whom civilians are almost 900 thousand. In, skokA orderlies and orderlies! Almost one to one wink
    https://www.vesti.ru/videos/show/vid/743732/cid/3
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    The institute of orderlies in the Soviet army lasted until the mid-50s. Who they were, depended on the moral qualities of the officer and the orderly. With orderlies and orderlies, the institution of adjutants is often confused.
    Quote: eugraphus
    And how many more were the PWs and sons of the regiment.

    Outraged. Look for the reason for the formation of Suvorov and Nakhimov schools in the USSR. At the same time, read V. Kataev's “Son of the Regiment,” if it wasn’t
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  7. x917nt
    x917nt 3 February 2018 16: 43
    +3
    It was beautiful on paper. In fact, by the end of the war, some commanders had 2-3 orderlies. There were even female ordinaries.
    1. Cat
      Cat 3 February 2018 17: 21
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      It is sad that you did not give a single example! I would not refuse to listen to stories about "harems" in the trenches of the Great Patriotic War.
      In our neighborhood in the early 90s, there was a similar pretzel, which bent similar stories in a public bath. They sounded beautiful, but Everyone around knew him as a clown, who was exactly one day in the war. Toward the end of which, during the bombing, the index finger on his right hand was torn off by a fragment and he was demobilized. Sometimes the old people themselves would blow him up, "Vaska - let's shave something about the fritz!"
      So let's sing, don't be ashamed !!!
      1. x917nt
        x917nt 3 February 2018 17: 44
        +4
        Need an example? We’ll sing right now ..))
        TsAMO, Fund 995, Inventory 1, Case 330, Document 7829 / sh
        1. Cat
          Cat 3 February 2018 19: 04
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          And how did this song end! There are 9 (nine) similar reports in the archive. The family is not without freaks, but such facts were not widespread. Even if we multiply by ten we get about a hundred similar facts in the 5 millionth army.
          Especially on this order at the front jokes! One about the wife of the front commander, and the second - what do you think the ordinaries of the female officers were?
          Regarding field wives, what was the best way to carry lupinaria to the army? By the way, in 3/4 cases, these novels were downloaded by weddings.
          Well, the last, if you itch a desire to dunk in the mud the grandfathers and great-grandfathers who got this victory, including for you. You chose the wrong site - the road to you is on the Sobchak or Navalny site, there you will be filled up with likes for such comments! So on the road with a song!
          1. x917nt
            x917nt 3 February 2018 19: 50
            +2
            Quote: Kotischa
            but such facts were not widespread

            Do not rush into the embrasure. I did not write anything about the mass character of these facts. You asked for an example - I gave it.
            1. Vasya Vassin
              Vasya Vassin 3 February 2018 20: 30
              +1
              I recall the memories of a woman who participated in the Second World War. I didn’t know personally, I saw the plot on a box in the year 88-89. Many women, according to her, did not apply at the time for obtaining the rank of participant and veteran of the Great Patriotic War. While they were young, there were no benefits for this yet, they tried not to talk about their arrival at the front line. The point is that a girl who claims to be there would be watched with caution. Allegedly, men on steel would seek to associate with such a marriage because of a general silent condemnation. I put it rather streamlined, but I hope you understand me. Thank you for the above document, it was interesting to meet you.
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  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 February 2018 17: 54
    +1
    “for the maintenance of a hired servant” means gentlemen and servant WERE, IS, AND WILL BE?
  9. Dashing
    Dashing 3 February 2018 18: 06
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    Don’t call it, but the essence will not change - just a servant.
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 3 February 2018 18: 55
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    Quote: Vasya Vassin
    How did Stalin have no secretary? And who is Poskrebyshev? And Vlasik, who was in charge of almost the entire life of the leader?

    But he was not a lackey of Stalin!
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    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 3 February 2018 20: 32
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      The question was about the secretary; I know nothing about the lackeys. stop
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        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 February 2018 14: 42
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          There are hundreds of examples from history when servants, personal secretaries, footmen, masseurs,
          lovers / lovers of various dictators (leaders, tyrants) became
          the most influential people in states and empires.
          They were afraid, they tried to bribe them, they showered them with orders and gold. They became
          generals and ministers ... negative
  11. pacific
    pacific 6 February 2018 21: 34
    +2
    Quote: vladimirZ
    In wartime, the commander needs an assistant ....... In peacetime, he must cope with all his "economic affairs."

    Did you happen to serve? What about an officer? Command the personnel, of whom at least 200 people are subordinate to you? And not just "at-two" or "forward if", but specialists from different military specialties?
    With them, classes need to be conducted, training, knowledge checked, discipline to follow, etc. In this case, the commander should look, if not a role model, then in any case not give cause for the slightest irony or any neglect among his subordinates. Otherwise, the end of everything.
    And life has not been canceled. You have no idea what it’s worth just washing at least a shirt on board a ship at sea. And if the storm? Own shift from 6-8 hours a day (and sometimes longer), control of subordinates at military posts at different ends of the ship. And fresh water is given 3-4 times a day for 15 minutes. I didn’t get fresh water in time - wash and wash in salt. Did not try? And this is just one of many examples. In general, the officer takes quite a significant amount of time for all sorts of household trifles. And he takes time from his rest.
    Nobody considers the work of a cook / cook or a galley outfit unnecessary? After all, everyone can cook for himself, and wash the dishes for themselves. But how much time will it take? There is essentially no difference in the functional idea of ​​the existence of orderlies and cooks - both of them free other soldiers from routine worries.
    But who will be the orderly - a servant or assistant officer? This for the most part will depend on the personality of both, on the education received in the school and on the commander of the unit.
    PSThe unit commanders still secretly picked up "instrument engineers." They loaded them with household duties of orderlies, relieving them from direct duties. And just this led to the emergence of “privileged” and “untouchables,” and as a result to non-instability.
    1. lwimu1976
      lwimu1976 7 February 2018 10: 56
      0
      They gave me;
      The whole article in the comment:
      BAN FOR TWO DAYS
      And the volume was smaller.
      Biased!
      1. lwimu1976
        lwimu1976 7 February 2018 11: 02
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        I'm lucky!
        Subordinates on duty. From Batumi to Sochi. Yes on duty, XNUMX hours a day.
        1. lwimu1976
          lwimu1976 7 February 2018 11: 56
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          Boris Bazhanov. Memoirs of the former secretary of Stalin.
          Quotes removed. That's right! Dark personality! Escaped from the USSR!
          And Shumilin A.I. "Vanka-rotniy" why not to the court?
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 10 February 2018 02: 19
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    Who was the orderly in the Red Army?
    Ordinary. wink
    1. Charlie
      Charlie 20 October 2019 21: 42
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      Ordinary officers were introduced in the 41st, in the fall, in my opinion. And they performed more often the functions of messengers. Couriers for the worse. Dangled from the platoon from the comfor, they passed orders to them. Throughout the war, pesche on horseback