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Pentagon: Half F-35 not ready for battle

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The United States acknowledged that only half of the fifth-generation F-35 aircraft are partly ready for battle, and the rest are unreliable and have thousands of defects, according to a report by Bloomberg referring to the report of the head of the Pentagon’s department for troop testing, Robert Beler. All efforts to improve the reliability of the F-35 aircraft have "stalled" due to numerous problems.


In his report, the head of the Pentagon’s department, Beler, argues that the share of ready-to-fight aircraft is at about 50%, and it’s not possible to increase it significantly since October of the 2014 year, despite the increase in the F-35 number.

Pentagon: Half F-35 not ready for battle


The report also indicates that upgraded versions of the fighter software have already appeared 31 times, however, some key flaws have not yet been fixed. In total, about a thousand different F-35 defects that may affect the effectiveness of its combat use have not been eliminated.

For example, aircraft modifications F-35B for the Marine Corps and F-35C for aircraft carriers can not be refilled in the air. Technical defects affect the launch of AIM-120 air-to-air missiles and the discharge of air-to-ground ammunition. The display in the pilot's helmet, which displays data on the flight and on the targets, does not work correctly, and the imperfect diagnostic system detects the “failures” of systems that actually function normally.

In order to finally complete the development phase of the F-16, stretching for 35 years, the aircraft must pass intensive military tests, which are already a year late. In addition, they are unlikely to be completed before December 2019 of the year, the authors of the document emphasize.

The Pentagon also stated the need to reduce the cost of the program. At the same time, the US military department intends to accelerate the production of F-35, although the problems identified at the current testing stage have not yet been corrected, notes Bloomberg.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 15
    13
    What problems? Take off, that is, use the other, combat ready half! lol
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 18
      16
      Quote: Herkulesich
      What problems?

      Yes, not what! They’re already selling them all, catch big goof, but small!
      1. cniza
        cniza 27 January 2018 18: 24
        12
        At the same time, the US military intends to accelerate the production of the F-35, although the problems identified at the current testing stage have not yet been fixed, notes


        Strange and contradictory information, do not count them as fools.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 28
          15
          Quote: cniza
          Strange and contradictory information, do not count them as fools.

          Who, whom, and I don’t hold Americans for fools!
          I’m just shocked how they managed a plane that didn’t pass military tests, consider a prototype, sell it to several countries repeat
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 January 2018 18: 31
            +3
            Because these countries financed the project and signed up earlier, and the aircraft will be brought to mind.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 40
              +4
              Quote: cniza
              and the plane will be brought to mind.

              This must be assumed, too, will result in a tidy sum!
              1. cniza
                cniza 27 January 2018 18: 41
                +9
                Vassals will pay for everything.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: cniza
                  Vassals will pay for everything.

                  Well, yes, they have little choice, buy or meet and prepare air defense, and they are F-35 as we know invisible lol
                2. faridg7
                  faridg7 27 January 2018 19: 22
                  +4
                  Quote: cniza
                  Vassals will pay for everything.

                  And if there is not enough money, they will print more bonds and Nabiullina will throw them how many greens
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 27 January 2018 20: 36
                    +1
                    Unfortunately, that too, but China is bigger.
          2. hrych
            hrych 27 January 2018 18: 44
            22
            Quote: You Vlad
            count the prototype, already sell to several countries

            The US is clear, Britain is a co-developer with Rolls-Royce and British Aerospace, and the rest of the investors, in particular: the Program was co-financed by the US, the UK ($ 2,5 billion), Italy ($ 1,0 billion), the Netherlands ($ 800 million) , Canada ($ 440 million), Turkey ($ 175 million), Australia ($ 144 million), Norway ($ 122 million) and Denmark ($ 110 million). Here, as if there is nowhere to go, it has already been paid for and you will have to take what you have. To be honest, with such funding, so many of the world's leading developers (Northrop Grumman Corporation, Pratt & Whitney, Rolls-Royce plc, Allison and British Aerospace were also included in the consortium led by Lockheed Martin. Skunk works in Palmdale ( California) and Aeronautical Systems), it could have been done better. Well, the level of F-22, and here is an ordinary fighter with a bunch of hemorrhoids, weak performance characteristics, etc.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 47
              +3
              Hrych thanks for the information hi
              In short, the entire collective west has thrown off ..
              1. hrych
                hrych 27 January 2018 18: 50
                +2
                Quote: You Vlad
                In short, the entire collective west has thrown off ..

                and East (Australia) laughing drinks
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 January 2018 18: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: hrych
                  and East (Australia)

                  Well Australia is a British colony ...
                  Americans are able to trade, well done!
            2. Hanokem
              Hanokem 27 January 2018 19: 53
              +6
              And the F-35 is an airplane of the F-22 level. It is inferior in flight performance and superior in avionics. That is, in the DVB the 35th would have an advantage, and in the dog fight on the 22nd. However, the probability of a dog dump in 5th generation aircraft is negligible. Vilely, from around the corner, out of sight rockets will be launched and no less vilely turn around and fly away bully
              1. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 22: 20
                +7
                Quote: Hanokem
                And the F-35 is an airplane of the F-22 level. It is inferior in flight performance and superior in avionics. That is, in the DVB the 35th would have an advantage, and in the dog fight on the 22nd. However, the probability of a dog dump in 5th generation aircraft is negligible. Vilely, from around the corner, out of sight rockets will be launched and no less vilely turn around and fly away bully

                There was one shit, F-22, now two. One was discontinued, the second could not be delivered.
              2. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 27 January 2018 23: 46
                +5
                Quote: Hanokem
                That is, in DVB, the 35th would have an advantage

                You yourself came up with this nonsense or who suggested it? laughing
              3. 11 black
                11 black 28 January 2018 08: 19
                +2
                Quote: Hanokem
                And the F-35 is the plane of the F-22 level. It is inferior in flight performance and superior in avionics. That is, in DVB, the advantage would be for 35, and in the dog fight for 22. However, the likelihood of a dog dump in 5-generation aircraft is negligible. Vilely, from around the corner, out of sight rockets will be launched and no less vilely turn around and fly away bully

                Look, he has a maximum of six missiles on his internal suspension (external cannot be used for stealth).
                On our external sling on four nodes out of twelve, six missiles can be suspended.
                The question is when six missiles will hit six missiles, and the F-35 will turn back to us (or at least sideways), substituting a nozzle and a torch, how many seconds can it stay in the air until the remaining 8 missiles overtake it? wink
              4. synthwave
                synthwave 28 January 2018 16: 38
                +1
                And the F-35 is an airplane of the F-22 level.
                It was thought that 35 is cheap 5th generation fighter version. How can it be on the same level as a raptor, if 3 times cheaper?
                superior in avionics.
                Unless in terms of work on the ground. In WB, its avionics is weaker than raptor. Right now, the raptor is being modernized to make it a universal and then it’s not at all clear why you need kalich 35.
                However, the probability of a dog dump in 5th generation aircraft is negligible.
                For some reason, you are a priori sure that he is the king in long-range and medium-sized combat, although their radars are not much more than the same dryers, and missiles lose in range. Yes, I understand that there is a stealth. But there is also, AWACS, air defense, electronic warfare, tactics, quality-quantity, etc.
                1. Lock36
                  Lock36 28 January 2018 19: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: synthwave
                  Right now, the raptor is being modernized to make it a universal and then it’s not at all clear why you need kalich 35.

                  The problem is that Raptor’s production has been curtailed and it’s probably no longer possible to start producing it again.
            3. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 27 January 2018 21: 31
              +3
              Quote: hrych
              United Kingdom ($ 2,5 billion), Italy ($ 1,0 billion), Netherlands ($ 800 million), Canada ($ 440 million), Turkey ($ 175 million), Australia ($ 144 million), Norway (122 million dollars) and Denmark (110 million dollars).

              I, something that the Germans did not understand, did not need an invisible plane?
              1. hrych
                hrych 27 January 2018 22: 35
                +4
                Quote: Barkhan
                I, something that the Germans did not understand, did not need an invisible plane?

                Bavarian consortium Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug, makes Typhon, he is like a competitor to this hat in NATO. Well, the Germans understand that in aviation, and you won’t fool them, and you don’t fool anything ... They will bring Typhon to 4 ++ and he will solve all the problems. By the way, Typhon uses stealth technologies as a radar absorbing coating and a special airframe design.
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 29 January 2018 00: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: hrych
                  the Germans then understand in aviation and you can’t deceive them, and you don’t do anything

                  Squeeze and "Penguin." As they sucked in at the time, “Starfighter”, and then “Phantom” (although Phantom is a good plane)
                  They will not have their own plane. The Germans are now intensely scratching their turnips - with which they can replace the Tornado, either buy Eurofighters, or the F-35. The trouble is that not one of them can carry tactical nuclear weapons. No, they can after napilling, of course, which will cost money and time)
          3. vlad66
            vlad66 27 January 2018 20: 13
            13
            Quote: You Vlad
            I’m just shocked how they managed a plane that didn’t pass military tests, consider a prototype, sell it to several countries

            And I'm not at all surprised at this yes Why what, and put on the Yankees in the blood with a sucker. repeat
          4. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 27 January 2018 21: 39
            +3
            Quote: you Vlad
            Quote: cniza
            Strange and contradictory information, do not count them as fools.

            Who, whom, and I don’t hold Americans for fools!
            I’m just shocked how they managed a plane that didn’t pass military tests, consider a prototype, sell it to several countries repeat

            and "you" try to refuse the purchase !!! wink yes wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 27 January 2018 18: 36
          +6
          Quote: cniza
          Strange and contradictory information, do not count them as fools.

          For a bunch of vassals are waiting for their portion of pottage, which subscribed to this project ... Japan, Norway, Israel and others like them what laughing
        3. sabakina
          sabakina 27 January 2018 18: 37
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          Strange and contradictory information, do not count them as fools.

          Vit, what are you talking about right now? What are we kidding? Like they are not ready for war? My chuyka suggests. that it is. as the Pentagon says. Icarus also made wings. Where is Icarus?
          1. cniza
            cniza 27 January 2018 18: 38
            +3
            I have no doubt, do not scare me, read below ... lol
          2. Giant thought
            Giant thought 27 January 2018 18: 51
            +1
            For mattresses, the image is nothing - the thirst for profit is everything.
        4. corporal
          corporal 27 January 2018 20: 44
          0
          Quote: cniza
          Strange and conflicting information

          Maybe they send a desu so that some people ктон̶а̶ч̶а̶л̶ ̶м̶а̶х̶а̶т̶ь̶ ̶ш̶а̶ш̶к̶а̶м̶и̶ ̶и̶ ̶к̶и̶д̶а̶т̶ь̶с̶я̶ ̶ш̶а̶п̶к̶а̶м̶и̶ relaxed? what
      2. Herculesic
        Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 24
        +3
        It’s like trading a product that was assembled at night, in a dark hangar, in total darkness, and blindfolded! recourse
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 27 January 2018 19: 02
          +7
          Quote: Herkulesich
          It’s like trading a product that was assembled at night, in a dark hangar, in total darkness, and blindfolded! recourse

          the buyer, one must think, is also blindfolded ... recourse
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 27 January 2018 18: 35
        +5
        Fake info. If Falcons are bad, why buy them? winked
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 27 January 2018 18: 43
          10
          Quote: siberalt
          Fake info. If Falcons are bad, why buy them? winked

          Oleg, the question is not addressed, that is, not to us. Ask the Jews.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 27 January 2018 20: 39
          +7
          Who often fights, chooses seriously. Israel at one time surprised everyone when it chose absolutely raw F-16s with a million problems. And did not lose. And he chose the just made F-15. And again he did not lose.
          1. zivXP
            zivXP 27 January 2018 22: 55
            +7
            As in that joke, you say that five times a night.
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 27 January 2018 23: 51
            +5
            You would advertise washing powder. good
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 27 January 2018 18: 29
      15
      You reminded me of a joke about Comrade Stalin: they complained to Comrade Stalin that they are forecasting very poor weather conditions, that is, they do not coincide at all. Comrade Stalin summoned to himself and their main "prgnozapisatel" and all smaller - well, like, report back. Those (they want to live), let the mind go around in the ears, about the twists and the like of a learned scientist chafing. He listened, listened to them and flashed "and in how many cases do your forecasts come true?" Those are "Stalin in 40%," and he told them "well, so make your forecasts and change them on the contrary - it will be 60%" good laughing
      1. avt
        avt 27 January 2018 18: 36
        12
        Quote: Mih1974
        : complained to Comrade Stalin that de weather forecast is very bad,

        By the way, Comrade Stalin, after leaving the seminary, worked at a weather station and this is no longer a joke.
    3. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 27 January 2018 18: 37
      +1
      Iron cannot fly !!!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 January 2018 18: 51
        +8
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Iron cannot fly !!!

        And who told you that? Personally experienced from the balcony. Flies. True, only vertically, and for some reason only from top to bottom. Maybe my gravity is somehow different?
        1. 264
          264 27 January 2018 18: 53
          +1
          And try it yourself, so many problems in the country will become less without you.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 11
            12
            Quote: 264
            And try it yourself, so many problems in the country will become less without you.

            Yes, it’s easy, the benefit is the second floor, you’re most important not to stand under the balcony, otherwise you don’t want to get involved ...
        2. Masya masya
          Masya masya 27 January 2018 19: 08
          +9
          Vyacheslav love , I'm sorry I’ll get in ... anecdote inspired ...
          - Comrade ensign, and crocodiles fly?
          - What!? Who told you such garbage?
          - Comrade Major.
          - Comrade Major ?! Actually, they fly, but very low! laughing
        3. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 22: 16
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          Iron cannot fly !!!

          And who told you that? Personally experienced from the balcony. Flies. True, only vertically, and for some reason only from top to bottom. Maybe my gravity is somehow different?

          Gum from the expander is not tied. Give it a try. Gravity will change dramatically.
        4. user1212
          user1212 28 January 2018 05: 02
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          And who told you that? Personally experienced from the balcony. Flies. True, only vertically, and for some reason only from top to bottom. Maybe my gravity is somehow different?

          Americans say the wrong thing. You need to change the firmware laughing
      2. Hanokem
        Hanokem 27 January 2018 19: 57
        +5
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Iron cannot fly !!!



        Of course it cannot, because it is not just an iron. You forgot 2 more main terms: child prodigy and cut dough))). And the fools from our Air Force are changing the 4th generation aircraft to the F-35. They need to go to the wall, like General Rychagov !!!
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 27 January 2018 20: 17
          12
          Quote: Hanokem
          And the fools from our Air Force

          Well, if you think so, then probably it is yesAfter all, you live there, and not we. You know better.
          Quote: Hanokem
          They need to go to the wall, like General Rychagov !!!

          Yes, whoever bothers you, they took it, but they gave it up, it's your business. laughing
    4. svp67
      svp67 27 January 2018 18: 57
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      What problems?

      The usual process, "childhood illnesses" of the latest design is called. It’s painfully advanced design turned out, that’s "sick" for a long time
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 January 2018 20: 16
        +5
        Sergei, the Germans were at the forefront in the Third Reich. Did the trophies help them? Where are their UFOs and X-rays? No! And it won’t happen if the F-35 was licked from our Yak!
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 28 January 2018 02: 49
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          And it won’t happen if the F-35 was licked from our Yak!

          those. Yak was so d ,,, m that the patient is more likely dead than alive? Pichalka ... crying laughing
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 28 January 2018 10: 37
            0
            When translating meters to inches, they were mistaken in the third decimal place. It was necessary for Yak to count in inches immediately, would not let down the partners.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 27 January 2018 21: 43
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Herkulesich
        What problems?

        The usual process, "childhood illnesses" of the latest design is called. It’s painfully advanced design turned out, that’s "sick" for a long time

        and if you don’t get well, VAAAAAAAAAAAsche ??? wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        1. svp67
          svp67 28 January 2018 00: 48
          0
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          and if you don’t get well, VAAAAAAAAAAAsche ???

          That "candy wrappers" will print and a new "give birth", and these allies will be shed.
    5. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 27 January 2018 22: 03
      0
      So that half too
      in part ready for battle
  2. Wolka
    Wolka 27 January 2018 18: 17
    +2
    The S-400 is a good "tennis racket", and to win the war with the Yankees, it is enough to fill up with a dozen of these pregnant birds and the Yankees will clean up to lick their wounds ...
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 29
      +3
      Correct you- "penny racket"! good
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 27 January 2018 19: 05
      +4
      Quote: Volka
      The S-400 is a good "tennis racket", and to win the war with the Yankees, it is enough to fill up with a dozen of these pregnant birds and the Yankees will clean up to lick their wounds ...

      Can you remember how many planes the United States lost in Vietnam and Korea before setting off to lick it? And they lost dozens of flying fortresses and now if they lose all of their B-2s, each worth 30 tons of gold, this will not stop them.
      It’s just not worth the hassle, mattresses under the cover of their propaganda are mechanical, they will allow themselves to lose half a million soldiers and they will be able to stay so long until hunger and cold knock on every "patriot" of America.
      1. Hanokem
        Hanokem 27 January 2018 20: 01
        +5
        Well, stacking their soldiers with piles is not in the style of America, but in a completely different country.
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 27 January 2018 20: 19
          14
          Quote: Hanokem
          Well, stacking their soldiers with piles is not in the style of America, but in a completely different country.

          fool fool fool
        2. Scoun
          Scoun 27 January 2018 20: 46
          10
          Quote: Hanokem
          Well, stacking their soldiers with piles is not in the style of America, but in a completely different country.

          Let's tell us, enlighten us.
          The USSR, the military lost almost 1 to 1 with Germany, but here it is necessary to add Hungarians, French, Romanians, etc., etc. ...
          The rest of the dead were peaceful people, the work of fascist degenerates, only in the Baltic region children were tortured .... and now these labs for children are renamed labor camps ... and you see from Ukraine you moved to those whom "yours" exterminated Babi Yar. "
          1. Hanokem
            Hanokem 27 January 2018 20: 55
            +2
            And why did you decide what I meant Russia or the USSR? I meant our Arab opponents. You need Freud, you expressed what you have at the subconscious level.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 27 January 2018 21: 37
              +4
              Quote: Hanokem
              You need Freud, you expressed what you have at the subconscious level.

              No, it’s just that some of us not comrades (supposedly historians) have long convinced us that we won by filling up the Wehrmacht with troupes! From here and the reaction yes
              1. Hanokem
                Hanokem 27 January 2018 21: 57
                +1
                But in reality, the Germans' combat losses were higher?
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 January 2018 22: 09
                  +8
                  Quote: Hanokem
                  But in reality, the Germans' combat losses were higher?

                  Comparable! But! For the Germans, as was said above, about 2 million Europeans from 15 countries fought! In short, the whole of Europe equipped and economically fed the whole of Europe.
                  1. activator
                    activator 28 January 2018 00: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Hanokem
                    Well, stacking their soldiers with piles is not in the style of America, but in a completely different country.

                    Quote: Scoun
                    Let's tell us enlighten on

                    Quote: Hanokem
                    And why did you decide what I meant Russia or the USSR? I meant our Arab opponents. You need Freud, you expressed what you have at the subconscious level.

                    Quote: You Vlad
                    No, it’s just that some of us not comrades (supposedly historians) have long convinced us that we won by filling up the Wehrmacht with troupes! From here and the reaction

                    Quote: Hanokem
                    But in reality, the Germans' combat losses were higher?

                    Quote: You Vlad
                    Comparable! But! For the Germans, as mentioned above, about 2 million Europeans from 15 countries fought

                    Gracefully soaked, a comrade did not even understand.
                2. Scoun
                  Scoun 28 January 2018 00: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Hanokem
                  But in reality, the Germans' combat losses were higher?

                  In fact, the Jews have no more casualties.
                  You see .. if only to spit and you do not care about the deaths of Jews, gypsies, millions of Soviet citizens ... imha you are from maydanutyh trolls.
        3. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 28 January 2018 04: 20
          +4
          Lavrov spoke at a press conference along the way for you.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 18
    12
    F35-about him on the site is written 9000000 times more than the epic of Mahaabhatar takes up space! wassat This is such an epic of modernity, it’s the beginning, but it’s not even close to the middle! wassat
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 27 January 2018 18: 19
    +5
    the flight is “normal”. laughing
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 32
      +5
      Garik hi This is not a flight. This is a financial flight! what
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 22
    +5
    Soon, the USA will give F35 for nothing, as a punishment to those countries of the world that oppose US policy! So North Korea will give the Yankees 2000 aircraft, only the Americans will do the service! We will be given 150000 cars! recourse In punishment, so to speak!
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 27 January 2018 18: 31
      +2
      And we will put them in Siberia and hang a plate "a museum of the American aircraft industry" good dofiga grandmas on tickets raise laughing
      1. Siberia55
        Siberia55 27 January 2018 19: 01
        +1
        Why do we need this penguin in Siberia? Better in Moscow
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 27 January 2018 23: 45
          +3
          Right! As exiles - so to Siberia, as f-35 - so to Siberia ... Why so? Taiga tea is not rubber, it’s important to drag anything into it yes
    2. Masya masya
      Masya masya 27 January 2018 19: 12
      +3
      so paid, invested in the states already in full, it will be possible to distribute ... or for revision, still Pinocchio shock ... wink rather the second ...
  6. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 27 January 2018 18: 24
    +8
    Here recently, a comrade from Israel, dismissed Mr., said that they were not overjoyed with these aircraft. So what, and how?
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 31
      +5
      Well, you can say the same thing! Who forbids you? To say, and really rejoice, these are two terribly huge differences!
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 27 January 2018 18: 31
      +5
      Huttspa is their national sport laughing
    3. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 27 January 2018 18: 38
      +7
      And for many comrades and gentlemen, the question of the "incredibly" long-lasting "cut" of the Su-57 and "for a long time in the series" F-35th.
    4. MadCat
      MadCat 28 January 2018 02: 53
      0
      most important phrase:
      The Pentagon also announced the need to reduce the cost of the program.

      Nuu plane is very bad .... but we want a discount and buy more laughing
  7. Egorovich
    Egorovich 27 January 2018 18: 24
    +5
    good Fe-35 is a flying tin can with idle software. Successful coffin plane !!! : yes
  8. sabakina
    sabakina 27 January 2018 18: 29
    +9
    EVEN THE PENTAGON RECOGNIZED! But the Jews are doing fine. How so? request
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 January 2018 18: 34
      +4
      Vyacheslav hi Do not be dashing while it is quiet.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 36
      +3
      Vyacheslav hi -so the pantygon is not in Israel! belay Some sell, others for a fee, in the form of a discount in price, these airbags advertise! Business is business!
    3. dauria
      dauria 27 January 2018 18: 39
      +5
      EVEN THE PENTAGON RECOGNIZED!


      Where, when and what did the Pentagon recognize? This is just an article from the Internet of unknown origin. But the "bad" plane from the first test flight has never yet crashed. Somehow does not fit ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 16
        +5
        Quote: dauria
        Somehow does not fit ...

        Alex, we do not knit. And if we knit, then branded. What is the strength in, brother? Yes in brooms!
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 27 January 2018 19: 21
        +6
        Quote: dauria
        This is just an article from the Internet of unknown origin.

        I looked, but I did not find such a "report to the Pentahon." And there is the latest news from the Pentagon's operational testing and evaluation (DOT & E) department (we would have such "problems" ...) .:
        According to U.S. Air Force officials, half a dozen F-35s — two for each option — were deployed to Eelson AFB in Alaska on January 18 to test for cold weather as part of an unusual attempt to expedite initial operational testing and evaluation.

        The Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center in Kirtland AFB, NM, in coordination with the Pentagon's Operations Test and Evaluation Store, has begun "pre-IOT & E" activities on the F-35 to "mitigate program development delays," the center said press secretary.

        The plans initially called for a re-IOT & E on the F-35 to begin late last year, but are now unlikely to begin until the "third-third quarter of 2018," she said. Delays due to insufficient F-35 in 3F configuration for everyone to start an IOT & E that effectively "releases" the F-35 during the system design and development phase. However, "preliminary" tests can be performed and do not have to depend on, for example, mission data files that are completely populated with regional threat information, which is one drag and drop to start extensive testing. Http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/
        Pages / 2018 / January% 202018 / F-35-Pre-IOTE-Underway-
        Aimed-At-Expediting-Testing.aspx
    4. Hanokem
      Hanokem 27 January 2018 21: 58
      0
      We have our own software
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 January 2018 22: 04
        +4
        Not. We have full access to software (written in C ++), allowing us to attach Israeli weapons and devices to it. And repair bugs when we find (be sure to notify Lockheed about this). Therefore, Lockheed, such openness is also beneficial.
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 27 January 2018 23: 47
          0
          A good option, by the way. That is, development is already underway in 2 countries ... Interestingly done)
          1. Satanator
            Satanator 28 January 2018 02: 03
            +1
            for amers, "feedback" from Israel is extremely important - because the planes are involved in real hostilities, this time
            and the second, also very important for finishing the F-35, is the intellectual level of the Israelis several orders of magnitude higher than the Americans
  9. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 27 January 2018 18: 33
    +7
    Right now, our Israeli friends will appear and sing in unison that the F-35 is an ideal combat vehicle, that the brTlient raft will be sanded over time and it will shine brighter than the sun fellow laughing repeat
    Lesha - voyaka uh, where are you? drinks
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 16
      +5
      Dyusha, a warrior wow .... Actually, they have Saturday.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 January 2018 21: 23
      +5
      There he am drinks
      The article is a storm in a glass of water. Nothing much has been revealed, many little things.
      At the "runny nose" level, when compared with health. Blow your nose, but fight. fellow
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 27 January 2018 21: 42
        +2
        Oh you belay
        But what about "Product is ready for use"? what
        Or did you cook a semi-finished product with which to mess around and mess around? lol
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Nothing much has been revealed, many little things.
        At the "runny nose" level, when compared with health. Blow your nose, but fight.

        But a runny nose is chronic .... wink repeat
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 27 January 2018 22: 12
          +2
          "with which to mess around and mess around" ////

          So, messing around with avionics and software is the national sport of the Israelis. Bread, not feed
          find a bug, upgrade, make your own bug, then fix it. laughing
          Learned on the F-16. When they were received, they were ripped open as carcasses, removed all kinds of wires and filling, and inserted their own. As for the F-35, it was possible to agree with Lockheed to insert their bells and whistles at the assembly stage in the States. Lockheed gets a fat from this: if the insert is cool, then they can take its technology for themselves.
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 22: 09
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        There he am drinks
        The article is a storm in a glass of water. Nothing much has been revealed, many little things.
        At the "runny nose" level, when compared with health. Blow your nose, but fight. fellow

        The main thing is not to drown in snot. It will be a shame. To pay such a tango, and on you.
  10. tchoni
    tchoni 27 January 2018 18: 35
    +7
    It seems to me that the guys from the five-pointed are just kidding. They will give out what kind of info about "your favorite eroplan", and then they laugh over megawars on the network about this device. ...
  11. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 27 January 2018 18: 38
    +1
    said Bloomberg, citing a report by Robert Beler, head of the Pentagon's military test department

    Here's a bastard, why slander a good plane?
    Now the Warrior will come and easily disprove all this nonsense
  12. Shahno
    Shahno 27 January 2018 18: 39
    +3
    Another throw from competitors Lockheed. It’s just that someone cannot reconcile. Problems in the interaction of systems? We regret that our colleagues cannot solve them. I'm afraid the problem is no longer in technology ..
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 January 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: Shahno
      We regret that our colleagues cannot solve them. I'm afraid the problem is no longer in technology ..


      So help, your specialists are better.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 19
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        So help, your specialists are better.

        Vitka, what are you? what advice do you give Yes Schaub them neither wing nor landing !!! am
        1. cniza
          cniza 27 January 2018 20: 39
          +2
          Glory, all the same, you scared them away, but I thought Saturday, evening, I’ll have fun ... drinks laughing
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 27 January 2018 18: 45
      +4
      It’s good that at least Putin is not to blame .... what, and competitors repeat
    3. Herculesic
      Herculesic 27 January 2018 18: 47
      +1
      Well, so help them! They will give you even more discount! Or in general, a couple of cars for nothing will be given in gratitude! What they collect is semi-finished! You take only the body and engines in essence, and the rest of your assembly! That is, we can say that really a lot of the stuffing of the aircraft is simply or too complicated, and cumbersome, or its stuffing is really outdated and ineffective!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 24
        +3
        Vitalyevich, are you at least somewhere with advice to the enemy? You still make fires for them to land!
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 27 January 2018 19: 34
          +2
          Vyacheslav hi - I repent, sinful wassat blurted out too much lol !
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 55
            +4
            Okay Vitalyevich, we all sometimes pierce, so I keep an eye out so that there are no punctures in the defense. I can give two glasses out of turn, sorry, no more.
    4. synthwave
      synthwave 27 January 2018 18: 54
      +7
      Another throw from competitors Lockheed
      Stages of accepting the inevitable:
      1 Denial laughing
      2 anger
      3 Trading
      4 Depression
      5 Acceptance

      We regret that our colleagues cannot solve them.
      They are not your colleagues, they are your gentlemen who have poured a little airplane for their Zulus.

      I'm afraid the problem is no longer in technology ..
      The Jew sincerely believes that what the American engineers could not, the Semitic could. Well, where is the first sortie of your imba? Previously, you crowed that he had not yet reached operational readiness. Right now, the software will be downloaded and here it is. In December, they promised full readiness. Readiness was announced, and the calico penguin still dominates the hangar.
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 27 January 2018 19: 00
        +4
        No, fxnumx on duty. Complaints during the tests and during the training flights, none of the 35 tee had.
        1. synthwave
          synthwave 27 January 2018 19: 03
          +6
          No, f35 on duty.
          You can send an airship to "duty". Where are the sorties? Or did you buy them to "watch"?

          Testing complaints
          Have you personally been reported? What do you have to do with aviation?

          during training flights
          But not, I understand, you bought a TCB for 100 lyam. laughing
        2. Operator
          Operator 27 January 2018 19: 07
          +1
          And on combat?
        3. You Vlad
          You Vlad 27 January 2018 19: 07
          +1
          Quote: Shahno
          No, f35 on duty.

          And in combat conditions f-35 was used?
          1. synthwave
            synthwave 27 January 2018 19: 15
            +7
            Officially - not once. In Jews, he suffered from a bird (called S-200 laughing ) After that, he sits quietly in the hangar and does not climb out.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 27 January 2018 19: 22
              0
              Quote: synthwave
              Officially - not once.

              I believe in it, it’s too expensive to fly on it, and even more so to fight.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 January 2018 22: 20
                +5
                This is not true. Israel immediately throws the latest technology that has just been received or made from us into battle. Price doesn't matter. So it was before, and now.
                Merkava-4 immediately went into battle in Lebanon in 2006. They ran into ATGMs - so what? But immediately became apparent weaknesses of technology. They fixed it - they hung Trophy - and immediately went to Gaza in 2008. Keeping new items in the rear is the stupidest thing that can be.
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 27 January 2018 22: 25
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  This is not true.

                  So he worked in combat conditions? In what capacity?
                  1. synthwave
                    synthwave 27 January 2018 23: 49
                    +3
                    As a hangar dominator laughing . A Jew raves, a homopenguin didn’t fly to combat. A suction faded in Lebanon, pass off for testing equipment, it’s generally wines laughing . It’s as if they are so stupid that they didn’t know before that tanks were burning from pets. This has never happened, and here again laughing .
                    1. MadCat
                      MadCat 28 January 2018 03: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: synthwave
                      It’s as if they are so stupid that they didn’t know before that tanks were burning from pets. This has never happened, and here again laughing.

                      from tanks any tanks are on fire now, if you look at Assad, then from his tank armada there are only bits left, and even the T90 was even burning, and so what? There is such a thing as acceptable losses ... There were only 2006 tanks in 3 that were irretrievably lost, and then they were blown up by landmines, all the rest were restored.
                      1. synthwave
                        synthwave 28 January 2018 06: 08
                        +1
                        Before you turn on the smart, read the messages above and understand the essence of the conversation. What are you arguing with? There, about 40 tanks were knocked out, and when the Jews left the battlefield behind them, they shook out the bodies of their tankers (from 13 to 31 carcasses in different proofs), and declared that the full meat that could not be recovered was irretrievable losses (5 tanks and not 3). Here the dispute is not about ATGMs, but about whether it was an obser, or "planned tests" as our Jew claims.
        4. sabakina
          sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 26
          +3
          Pavel, I, too, are on duty, however, not a single infection is looking at me.
        5. Kent0001
          Kent0001 27 January 2018 19: 41
          0
          Have you personally been reported? Or did you read the vulture documents?
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 28 January 2018 03: 47
            +2
            I saw and read the docks, together they wrote off 7 tanks, five destroyed in battles and two are not cost-effective to restore, still have questions?
      2. Shahno
        Shahno 27 January 2018 19: 06
        +4
        So what. Someone from our or the state’s engineers expressed doubts to you .... The Pentagon? Yes there is everything, everyone is lobbying the corporation that feeds him. Or not one ...
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        2. sabakina
          sabakina 27 January 2018 19: 59
          +5
          The Pentagon declared it, not the Pentagon cleaner. And I, according to the broom, who are driving pubic insects there. Said the Pentagon! Ugh, the word is somehow shameful!
        3. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 22: 04
          +1
          Quote: Shahno
          So what. Someone from our or the state’s engineers expressed doubts to you .... The Pentagon? Yes there is everything, everyone is lobbying the corporation that feeds him. Or not one ...

          We would go there, to them, and like a real Jew, would teach them to feed from all competing companies at once.
        4. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 28 January 2018 04: 27
          +5
          Good answer. Gentlemen, corruption will destroy this country! And then Vojaka claimed that in the west there is no corruption, but there are cleverly invented marketing moves.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 27 January 2018 18: 44
    +1
    The Pentagon also stated the need to reduce the cost of the program. At the same time, the US military department intends to accelerate the production of F-35, although the problems identified at the current testing stage have not yet been corrected, notes Bloomberg.

    Why cut a chicken laying golden eggs, now grateful allies will buy up all the scrap metal for billions.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 27 January 2018 19: 39
      +1
      not scrap metal, but the 5TH GENERATION PLANE. This is not khukh-mukhra. By the way, the Jews at one time said that they all fly and are in readiness. Mozh Americans do not know how to exploit them, or the Jews vparivayut everyone bullshit.))))
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 27 January 2018 22: 11
        0
        The Jews also partially produce it, so that this Tuwta is a good match for them.
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 27 January 2018 18: 45
    +2
    In the United States, so many finance projects have become very deep bottom barrels. Some barrels seemed to be bottomless and projects closed as hopeless. But with the F-35, it seems, it becomes the Mariana Trench, because nothing is offered to replace the F-35, because the F-35 itself is like a cheaper replacement for the F-22.
    1. Lock36
      Lock36 27 January 2018 18: 51
      +2
      All words “as if” in the text are underlined and highlighted in red.
  15. Lock36
    Lock36 27 January 2018 18: 53
    +2
    How so! This has never happened and here again!
    A democratic technique cannot be so clumsy! Every liberal knows that they do not steal in America!

    We must instruct Ilona to finish it with our Mask - then the work will go! Released F-35 Special Edition on batteries.
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: Lock36
      How so! This has never happened and here again!
      A democratic technique cannot be so clumsy! Every liberal knows that they do not steal in America!

      We must instruct Ilona to finish it with our Mask - then the work will go! Released F-35 Special Edition on batteries.

      ... and with airborne free recharge of batteries, and a supermarket parking system.
      1. Lock36
        Lock36 28 January 2018 19: 08
        +1
        Again, the savings!
  16. Dead duck
    Dead duck 27 January 2018 19: 02
    +7
    Such a joyful pilot flies himself on an F-35 to bomb another enemy, and the display reads:
    the system has been updated to the latest version, it will reboot now ...
    10 ... 9 ... 8 ...
    laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 27 January 2018 20: 02
      +5
      Vit, hi , the reboot will fail. Remember the joke about the American computer "Gone to your" !.
  17. Petrik66
    Petrik66 27 January 2018 19: 22
    +2
    We have a stupid trait: if someone says that the Americans have screwed up, then we say - This is disa comrades and strengthen the vigilance of the comrades. we frown and inquiringly look into the distance - whether the road is gathering dust or the enemy is walking. And if they tell us that we have 50 * su35 without wheels and instead of a gun - a stick, then here immediately full respect. How many bourgeoisie crap and crap, this is a universal theme. The biggest nonsense is done with a very smart face. Can you imagine what serious turnips had Adik Hitler and his associates when they discussed the plan of Barabarossa?
  18. Vadim851
    Vadim851 27 January 2018 19: 23
    +5
    Despite all the shortcomings, not a single plane has crashed so far, although the total flight time is already over 100k hours, which is a very good indicator. Against this background, the phrase about thousands of defects looks strange, or the lion's share of these defects is related to software (this is of course solvable).
    1. synthwave
      synthwave 27 January 2018 19: 37
      +2
      One almost burned out. Then there was a mysterious collision with a bird. Well, again. If he flies like a TCB, with experienced test pilots, what does he fall for?
      1. Vadim851
        Vadim851 27 January 2018 20: 13
        +4
        Yes, there was a fire, it seems in 2016, the damage was serious, but again, the plane was not lost. As for the bird - no one is safe, I once broke a windshield, the bird was driving 85 in total, but here there are completely different speeds. Clear business with experienced, no one will put at the helm of a newcomer’s latest car. The Su-35 and Su-57 are clearly flying the best of the best.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 27 January 2018 20: 06
      +4
      Vadim851, I have a cat Chuchka lived at home for 14 years. And if she didn’t live at home?
      1. Vadim851
        Vadim851 27 January 2018 20: 08
        +2
        I understand everything, care, etc. But if the engine and other components were jammed, it would have come to an emergency more than once, but this is not the case.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 January 2018 20: 20
      +5
      Look at examples of defects: versions B and C. Refueling in the air ...
      The helmet is sometimes buggy. Diagnosis jams ...
      "C" has not yet been adopted. It’s good that there is a list and control, but these are minor trifles. The aircraft already has dozens of exercises in many countries, intercontinental flights,
      a huge raid without accidents in the air (which is a record of reliability for new models). New F-16s and Dryers crashed in dozens at this stage.
      In short, a storm in a glass of water.
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        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 20: 41
          +4
          Quote: synthwave
          how many pieces of the T-50 crashed

          and he already enters the army in the amount of 260+ pieces?
          and one still burned
          the second surge caught on take-off
          but it’s your own, everything goes on development
          1. synthwave
            synthwave 27 January 2018 20: 50
            0
            and one still burned
            Yeah, like Kalich. He also nearly burned out. And the birds interfere with him. F-35 entered the Air Force, how many sorties did he make? And how is it then different from the prototype in tests, except for quantity?
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 21: 26
              +2
              Quote: synthwave
              F-35 entered the Air Force, how many sorties he made

              And how many military companies did he take part in, so that you wouldn’t tell me to participate in sorties?
              Quote: synthwave
              And how is it then different from the prototype in tests, except for quantity?

              Well, if you don’t know how the plane differs in series and troops from flight prototypes, I have nothing more to say.
              1. synthwave
                synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 32
                +3
                And how many military companies did he take part in, so that you wouldn’t tell me to participate in sorties?
                I will prompt. It is in service with at least two countries that are conducting hostilities. USA and Hutspostan. According to the assurances of both, he is ready to bend everyone. Jews constantly from Syria Lebanon nightmare (and then crow that they are at war). The sanctified Murkans bambyat allies (on a slip) in Iraq, Syria and weddings in Afghanistan. And what is the problem? He has no place in these nicks? Or was he purely preparing for the third world laughing ? Well then, he will not even fly out of the hangar.

                Well, if you don’t know how the plane differs in series and troops from flight prototypes, I have nothing more to say.
                I asked a specific question, what is the difference in this situation, but you did not answer it and turned on "smart". No, it’s not for you yes . So yes, chew better than say yes .
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 21: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: synthwave
                  I will prompt. It is in service with at least two countries that are conducting hostilities. USA and Hutspostan. According to the assurances of both, he is ready to bend everyone. Jews constantly from Syria Lebanon nightmare (and then crow that they are at war). The sixth Murkans are bambyat allies (on a slip) in Iraq, Syria and weddings in Afghanistan. And what is the problem? He has no place in these nicks? Or was he purely preparing for the third world? Well then, he’s from the hangar and will not even fly out.

                  this is not an answer but demagogy
                  to the question
                  Quote: synthwave
                  And how many military companies did he take part in, so that you wouldn’t tell me to participate in sorties?

                  No answer.
                  Quote: synthwave
                  I asked a specific question

                  I answered you and
                  Quote: synthwave
                  if you don’t know how the plane differs in series and troops from flight prototypes, I have nothing more to say.
                  1. synthwave
                    synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 51
                    +2
                    this is not an answer but demagogy
                    This is not demagoguery, this is a potato fan of the seventh aviation cannot read the text and turn on the brain.

                    No answer.
                    If your question was in how many, and so you press on this pedal, the answer is then ZERO. And now manka, answer why he is not fighting for Jews and Americans in the Middle East and why. Talk about it and went. There are two wars and no sorties. The question is not how many, why. Do you understand, or will you maneuver again?

                    I answered you and
                    Where is your answer manka? "Since you don't know, I have nothing to tell you?" This is your answer? You get stupid salaries for bots there, that you don’t try at all laughing ?
                    1. prosto_rgb
                      prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 23: 16
                      +1
                      Quote: synthwave
                      The question is not how many, but why.

                      This is a completely different matter!
                      although the United States Air Force should obviously speak on this question
                      but
                      based on the combat use of the F-22, it can be assumed that they (USA) are in no hurry:
                      Start of operation December 15 2005
                      September 23, 2014 in the media appeared information about the first combat use of the US Air Force F-22 against the Islamists in Syria. The plane attacked the city of Raqqa and its suburbs. By February 2015, F-22s had completed at least 112 combat missions in the sky of Syria.
                      As for the F-35
                      Start of operation:
                      since 2012 for educational purposes;
                      At the United States ILC since July 31, 2015;
                      In the US Air Force from August 2, 2016;
                      At the U.S. Navy - August 2018
                      Obviously (adjusted for the F-22 experience), the combat use of the F-35 can be expected
                      for the U.S. ILC since July 2024;
                      for the US Air Force since August 2025;
                      for the U.S. Navy since August 2027
                      Most likely, these numbers will move down, but not a fact.
                      1. synthwave
                        synthwave 27 January 2018 23: 57
                        0
                        that they (USA) are in no hurry:
                        Manka, stop maneuvering. Answer a simple question why aren't they in a hurry?

                        Start of operation December 15 2005
                        September 23, 2014 the media reported on the first combat use of the US Air Force F-22

                        That is, you argue that it is normal for fenders to wait (and what were they waiting for by the way?) 9 years after being adopted and only then use the weapon for its intended purpose? Or maybe it was just not ready for use? Yes, no, some kind of nonsense.

                        for the U.S. ILC since July 2024;
                        for the US Air Force since August 2025;
                        for the U.S. Navy since August 2027

                        Until December 2017, the Jews crowed that they would achieve operational readiness, and then go to battle. Reached, this was announced. The plane still dominates the hangar, and F16 fly on missions. I’m curious that you cocks will crow after 2027 if things don’t move. laughing ?
        2. corporal
          corporal 27 January 2018 21: 12
          +3
          Quote: synthwave
          how many pieces of the t-50 crashed?

          Out of twelve? wassat Alone on the ground burned. Which makes up 8% of the total park.
          1. synthwave
            synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 20
            +2
            The American has 35 ZERO sorties. And this is READY aircraft. That is, 100% of their fleet is unfit for shit. Do you want to calculate the interest? laughing
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 28 January 2018 00: 23
            +2
            Quote: Corporal
            Out of twelve? Alone on the ground burned. Which makes up 8% of the total park.

            It did not crash, it had a fire, it was repaired and it was in service, unlike the F-35.
  19. Fedorov
    Fedorov 27 January 2018 19: 25
    +3
    Since they developed the part together with KB Yakovlev, the contract is official, all things ...
    So maybe they stuck a dead-end branch? Are you guys friends of Putin's past job?
    And now the poor people are rushing about how to digitize all this crap. request
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 27 January 2018 19: 49
      +1
      They saved on the hull, it turned out so thick because the aircraft was developed in three versions: a ground fighter for the needs of the U.S. Air Force, a fighter with a short take-off and a vertical landing for the U.S. Marine Corps and the British Navy, and a deck fighter for the needs of the U.S. Navy. You cannot push the power plant for vertical take-off into a thin body, so they all turned out to be pot-bellied! It was right to make three different planes, but did one, but multifunctional!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 January 2018 20: 23
        +6
        The body is thick due to the internal compartment for weapons and large internal fuel tanks.
        1. synthwave
          synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 04
          +5
          Nope. Again minus igtspert score. He is fat because of unification with the vertical. Schaub fan and other guts fit. The ax body has caused a loss of lift and increased drag, so even with a powerful engine, it flies worse than the MiG - 23 MLD.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35#/media/File:F-
          35_A_B_C_Config.png
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 27 January 2018 20: 09
      +5
      Quote: Fedorov
      So maybe they stuck a dead-end branch? Are you guys friends of Putin's past job? And now the poor people are rushing about how to digitize all this crap. request

      Valery, your version has the right to life.
  20. Langf
    Langf 27 January 2018 19: 35
    +1
    No matter how Lend-Lease is requested. With these it will become: they will declare Russia a temporary ally in the fight against Russian-Chinese evil and will expressively wink about how the planes generously sent deer caravans from Alaska to the Great Patriotic War. The neural jumps of psaking are inscrutable.
  21. Kent0001
    Kent0001 27 January 2018 19: 36
    +4
    It was not created to fly, it was created to be sold. And with this he copes well.
  22. nikolaj1703
    nikolaj1703 27 January 2018 19: 37
    +3
    The documentation for the Yak-141 in the 90s was acquired illegally, but there is no Russian mind - and there is no plane!
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: nikolaj1703
      The documentation for the Yak-141 in the 90s was acquired illegally,

      it may have been sold illegally in the Russian Federation, but the Americans somehow executed a contract and paid
      which is typical of the legality of transactions, not a single Russian court has made any claims, or rather, not a court, but an investigation committee or prosecutor’s office, at least military.
      But something in those departments is quiet for all 17 "fast" years.
      Quote: nikolaj1703
      but there is no Russian mind - and no plane

      The aircraft has already more than 260pcs produced. More than Su-30MKI under contract with India.
      But the Yak-141 is really gone. Alas.
      1. synthwave
        synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 54
        +1
        17 "fast" years.
        Don't scream.

        The aircraft has already more than 260pcs produced.
        If he continues to be such a buggy shit, I agree to 26000. You look will go broke in an arms race.

        But the Yak-141 is really gone. Alas.
        And what is "alas" then? You should be happy, a fan of the seventh aircraft ...
        1. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 27 January 2018 23: 29
          +2
          Quote: synthwave
          17 "fast" years.
          Don't scream.

          I am aware that not many people like the facts
          you can squeal it's not scary

          Quote: synthwave
          If he continues to be such a buggy shit, I agree to 26000. You look will go broke in an arms race.

          they have a large-scale planned for 2019, there we will see who will go broke and who will get rich
          Quote: synthwave
          But the Yak-141 is really gone. Alas.
          And what is "alas" then? You should be happy, a fan of the seventh aircraft ...

          Yak-141 for its time, a revolutionary and very promising aircraft.
          In the niche of the MiG-21 or Grippen, only with vertical take-off.
          Obviously, if he had been brought to the adoption of the armament and series, he could have occupied a certain niche in the market.
          At least the Russian Federation, besides a heavy fighter for export, would still have the lightweight to replace the aging MiG-21/23, Su-20/22 fleet. For not everyone needs heavy fighters.
          1. synthwave
            synthwave 28 January 2018 00: 09
            +1
            I am aware that not many people like the facts
            What are the facts? What are you a bot for 15 rubles? I do not argue, this is obvious.

            they have a large-scale planned for 2019, there we will see who will go broke and who will get rich
            You overslept everything. It is already large-scale. For aviation 260 pieces, already a large number. That's just it they do not go into quality.

            Yak-141 for its time, a revolutionary and very promising aircraft.
            The bot turned on a connoisseur of aviation ... laughing In vain you did it, manka. Scha have some fun laughing ... It would be better to continue drowning for sewing. 141 is an ordinary vertical, a product of its time, purely for replacement 38. EVERYTHING. NOTHING was revolutionary there. Or do you want to argue. And then look, mat. part will have to read.

            In the niche of the MiG-21 or Grippen, only with vertical take-off.
            Look at the characteristics of these aircraft and do not write nonsense. Verticals in the sky, with conventional fighters are not able to compete (and they should not).

            Obviously, if he had been brought to the adoption of the armament and series, he could have occupied a certain niche in the market.
            Niche Yak - 38. This is the one that "yak on the deck hu ... to." He had no niche. See below.

            At least the Russian Federation, besides a heavy fighter for export, would still have the lightweight to replace the aging MiG-21/23, Su-20/22 fleet. For not everyone needs heavy fighters.
            And then there are 141 Lalka? The light fighter was the MiG-29, and the Su-20 is generally a front-line bomber. The vertical line was made only for deck-based and her export potential was zero. You have gruel in your head and you not a damn thing in aviation .... Teach mat. part and do not waste my time.
  23. nik13
    nik13 27 January 2018 20: 00
    0
    the impression is that they take the basic (working) on ​​and then individually modify for each aircraft
  24. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 January 2018 20: 03
    +3
    The fact that the second half is still ready, a huge GRU flaw
  25. Altona
    Altona 27 January 2018 20: 28
    +2
    Quote: You Vlad
    I’m just shocked how they managed a plane that didn’t pass military tests, consider a prototype, sell it to several countries

    They sold the “Russian doping” to the IOC, and the plane was to sell trifling matter.
  26. Altona
    Altona 27 January 2018 20: 31
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The body is thick due to the internal compartment for weapons and large internal fuel tanks.

    And you can’t get naughty. Genetic freak.))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 January 2018 21: 13
      +3
      And it is not necessary. Anorexia does not lead to good. smile
  27. gla172
    gla172 27 January 2018 20: 38
    0
    .... for that our MIGs (overcame 3400), etc ......
  28. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 27 January 2018 20: 47
    0
    PR is an assistant in business, for some reason they are selling the Fu-35, and not the Fu-22. Massive "cheap" goods - you need to have time to repel the invested headstock, otherwise they will close this program soon. So it is necessary to unleash new conflicts in which the "product" will be used, and therefore bought.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 January 2018 21: 16
      +2
      "Bulk" cheap "product" ////

      You have written correctly. good And massive. And cheap. This should be the main air force fighter
      1. synthwave
        synthwave 27 January 2018 21: 26
        +4
        Yes, yes, it’ll be great to bend everyone in the hangar laughing . You have not serviced and repaired it yet. There you wash yourself on one coating.
      2. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 21: 47
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Bulk" cheap "product" ////

        You have written correctly. good And massive. And cheap. This should be the main air force fighter

        And an example of this piece of iron is about 480 million. Which you need to pay for the finished, (even with the engine, PROGRESS !!!), and service staff for the entire service life. It would be better to buy gold of the same mass and for the same price. With him, the trouble is still less.
      3. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 27 January 2018 22: 36
        0
        Yes, it's hard for you here alone to defend against all F-35s. And, most importantly, why? Still do not understand that it is useless? Who is friends with his head a little, he has long understood what is happening, and who is not friends with him at least say something - to no avail.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 27 January 2018 22: 56
          +1
          I'm not complaining. It happens that opponents find practical arguments. There are specialists who understand aviation. You look and find out something new for yourself.
          1. synthwave
            synthwave 28 January 2018 00: 12
            +1
            There are no specialists here. Everyone ran away a long time ago. For with such comrades, you can argue a couple of raziks, explaining to them that black is not white, and then you look, 10 sticks. And here you are, with blue flags, all stayed. Why is it so interesting (ZOG laughing )?
  29. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 January 2018 20: 49
    0
    "At the same time, the US military intends to accelerate the production of the F-35, although the problems identified at the current testing stage have not yet been fixed, Bloomberg notes."
    And no wonder. Forge iron, while the suckers have not scolded kidalovo and continue to buy.
  30. Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk 27 January 2018 21: 44
    +1
    Let’s give everyone an F-35, after that we’ll think so that they can fly.
  31. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 27 January 2018 22: 01
    0
    the proportion of aircraft ready for battle is at the level of about 50%, and it has not been able to significantly increase since October 2014, despite the increase in the number of F-35s.

    That's right, it’s important not the quality but the quantity, the more the better, and that the marriage is continuous, it’s normal, it’s okay to flack the lackeys laughing
  32. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 27 January 2018 22: 03
    +5
    Now the Warrior will come and easily disprove all this nonsense
    Well, as I promised, the Warrior dispelled all our doubts. laughing
    People, why are you so salivating about this F-35? Let them deal with their planes themselves, we should deal with our own. And what kind of person he does not know and will not know until there is no real application. And when it will be then, we will judge its capabilities. Do not underestimate the potential enemy, it is better to overestimate. Remember the story - these hat-inspiring moods are very expensive for us.
    1. synthwave
      synthwave 27 January 2018 22: 16
      +1
      Remember the story - these hat-inspiring moods are very expensive for us.
      If the Jews hadn’t crowed here what cool airplanes from the Holy Murika drove them, everyone would have deeply fooled. I’m right now, personally, I’m just funny how they blow up farts against the backdrop of such news almost every week.
    2. NN52
      NN52 28 January 2018 20: 52
      +9
      _Jack_

      I agree with you ..
      Until there is a first combat use or first air battle, we won’t know about its real capabilities ....
  33. Simon
    Simon 27 January 2018 22: 28
    +2
    Quote: you Vlad
    Quote: Herkulesich
    What problems?

    Yes, not what! They’re already selling them all, catch big goof, but small!

    All right! They made a few cars for the window dressing normally, and the rest fenders off, as it turns out, secondary countries wassat
  34. Maz
    Maz 27 January 2018 22: 32
    0
    For Israel, with its territory and neighbors at a distance of the elbow - an ideal pepelats. The impression that it was made for him, the rest is cunning and deception of the countries of the cooperators.
  35. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 28 January 2018 00: 31
    0
    After reading another volume about F35, in the VO forum, I came to the conclusion that srach about “red is better than green, and blue, in general, r ... o” is a never-ending topic laughing
    Only real combat use of equipment can be put in its place.
    It is quite obvious that the manufacturer and buyers will praise this pepelats, for money is swollen, unmeasured. And we, for the most part, will mess with him, because he’s only "sawing" his own and I would like him to be still "yesterday".
  36. high
    high 28 January 2018 02: 32
    +1
    The article recalled similar articles before the defeat in 1982 of the Soviet latest air defense in Syria.
    Military correspondent Khramchikhin (Military construction in Russia. “Banner” 2005, No. 12) recalled that one of the main reasons for the restructuring was the defeat that Israeli aviation carried out on the Syrian air defense system in the Lebanese Bekaa valley on June 9-10, 1982.
    It was impossible to attribute the catastrophe to the usual incapacity of the Arabs, Soviet instructors were sitting next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems.
    Israel has just fought in a new way ....

    By the way, in Israel 9 F-35 aircraft passed all the necessary tests and refinements ..... therefore, the total number of these aircraft Israel will bring to 50.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 28 January 2018 03: 21
      +1
      By the way, in Israel 9 F-35 aircraft passed all the necessary tests and refinements ..... therefore, the total number of these aircraft is Israel will bring to 50.

      ... but at least up to 1000, the repair will be at your expense ... laughing laughing laughing banging your head on the cap, taking off and landing like something - this is not to fight .. laughing laughing laughing
    2. synthwave
      synthwave 28 January 2018 06: 14
      0
      Soviet instructors sat next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems.
      Don’t manifest, huh? The Arabs then did ALL to be fucked. Literally, they played their own goal. But Soviet instructors, whatever they were “evil Ivanes” and “rotten anti-Semites,” still had a sense of self-preservation and such a rout would not have been allowed. Anyway, in the 80s in the USSR there was already a drum for your Semitic showdowns, because themselves plunged into Afghanistan. The Arabs engaged in amateur activities there, and so they got a rout. So do not tell tales here.
    3. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 28 January 2018 23: 22
      0
      recalled that one of the main reasons for the restructuring was the defeat that Israeli aviation committed to the Syrian air defense system in the Lebanese valley
      Well, now we understand why the USSR fell apart, well, of course, one of the main reasons was the defeat that Israeli aviation committed to the Syrian air defense system, now the Jews are to blame? although they are always to blame for everything
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 28 January 2018 03: 13
    +1
    Yes, it seems to me that with the rest of 50%, not everything is good.
    If we are talking about software that controls all aircraft systems,
    then the jamb in the software affects all planes.
    And these planes have not yet begun to experience using weapons,
    which is attached to it.
    I feel that we are still laughing at the results.
  38. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 January 2018 03: 20
    +1
    The United States recognized that only half of the fifth-generation F-35 aircraft are partially ready for battle, and the rest are unreliable and have thousands of defects, Bloomberg said with reference to a report by Robert Beler, head of the Pentagon’s military test department.

    Along the way, some part of this “half”, if not a large one, left for the allies ... and therefore they took these airplanes at the direction of the owner, and even though the grass doesn’t grow, these are your problems ... laughing
  39. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 28 January 2018 03: 58
    +1
    Something I did not understand, the version for the MP and the deck version cannot refuel in the air, and what is in the way, they do not have an option for automatic refueling and are unlikely to receive it, but the refueling itself depends only on the pilot, so for the MP and the deck ships refueling by type "hose-cone" and not a rigid rod like the Air Force.
  40. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 28 January 2018 04: 03
    +2
    We would have their problems. They have been producing and exporting mass production aircraft of the 5th generation since 2014, and we have built as many as 2008 pre-production models since 8, and finally, by 2018 we completed testing the first stage engine. But in every program on the Star, screams about "has no onnaloff!" All you need to know about the level of the military-industrial complex and lifting from the knees.
    1. synthwave
      synthwave 28 January 2018 06: 21
      +1
      1) Do not watch the "star".
      2) Compare the economical potential of countries.
      3) Compare the ambitions of countries.
      4) Do not crow for nothing and do not do all the food.
      5) Teach the mat part. There was no test of the engine in the “first stage”, because there was no engine of the first stage (at least there was nothing to test). There was an engine from the Su-35 with minor modifications temporarily sawed into the T-50 to start flights and tests, until we built our own engine (item 30).
      6) Go and start lifting the military-industrial complex from its knees. Yes, yes ... it's harder than crowing on the internet.
      Only 6 points and you will not have any problems laughing .
      1. locos
        locos 28 January 2018 10: 19
        0
        Where did you come from so aggressive? You weren’t banned from the BPMD blog that you moved here. So here is a different comment format, you can not swear and show disrespect to the interlocutors. Banned smile
        1. synthwave
          synthwave 28 January 2018 16: 29
          0
          I'm not aggressive, I'm honest good .
          You weren’t banned by accident from the BPMD blog
          No idea what that is.
          So here is a different comment format
          To adapt to the tree, I do not intend to
          Banned
          I agree, for sure laughing .
  41. Makarov
    Makarov 28 January 2018 06: 17
    0
    And half is how much?
  42. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 28 January 2018 07: 37
    +1
    The lobbyists of the manufacturer are doing everything so that the F35 does not pass intensive combat tests. Especially against a serious opponent. Otherwise, they will be overwhelmed by the warranty elimination of defects, up to replacing the aircraft. For them it will be a complete finish, even if you do not take into account the effect of anti-advertising.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 January 2018 22: 29
      0
      On the contrary. Lockheed is interested in the plane fighting. Sales of weapons with combat experience jump. You see this also in the example of the use of Russian weapons in Syria.
      At one time, the brilliant experience of using the Lockheed F-16 in 1982 caused a wave of sales around the world.
  43. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 28 January 2018 12: 06
    0
    As if this unfortunate aircraft was developed by Chinese migrant workers who graduated from vocational schools)))
  44. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2018 17: 45
    0
    They will correct it, they can denyushku, if that, shake off the allies !!! Now, if it’s fundamentally in the design or where else they screwed it up, it will be really expensive to fix !!! if it is finally possible ???
    They have big plans, they began to build their own application concept.
  45. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 28 January 2018 20: 37
    +1
    That's because unfinished aircraft! True, 100000 hours have flown without accidents ...
    And dear ones! One to one like
    During the development and initial operation of the F-15 was repeatedly criticized by a number of experts from the US government and the Pentagon.

    The main object of criticism was the relative high cost of the fighter. According to critics, at the end of the 1970s, the cost of one F-15 was $ 20 million, which at that time was 7 times more expensive than the F-4 Phantom and 20 times more expensive than the F-5 Freedom Fighter / Tiger II .
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 January 2018 22: 33
      0
      Very clear. When switching from the 3rd generation to the 4th, prices jumped at times.
      Much more than the transition from the 4th to the 5th.