Unsuccessful Dubai voyage of Surkov and Walker

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There are reports of the results of the next meeting between presidential aide Vladislav Surkov and US special representative Kurt Walker. The meeting was held in the city of Dubai (UAE). The topic of discussion was the same. It's about settling in the Donbas. As it turns out, no breakthrough agreements have been reached. The parties mostly remained to their opinion on the Ukrainian issue.

Unsuccessful Dubai voyage of Surkov and Walker




Among other things, Surkov and Volker discussed the recently adopted law in Ukraine on the so-called “Donbass Reintegration”. The law actually finishes the Minsk format, although Kiev continues to assert that it remains committed to this format. The same position was voiced by Volker, without commenting on the statement by US President Donald Trump about “the need to transfer the negotiation process from Minsk to any other capital”.

As a result, no points of contact were identified during the meeting in the UAE, while Volker and Surkov stated that the contacts will continue in the future.

The main intrigue for reporters is no longer in when Surkov and Volker agree (and if they agree at all), but in what city their next meeting will take place.

Against this background, the DPR command reported 11 violations of the cease-fire over the past 24 hours. Donetsk News Agency writes that the Ukrainian security forces fired on the territory of the republic with the use of 82 and 120 mm mortars. Also on the territory of the DPR worked machine guns.

Meanwhile, the LPR reported that preliminary agreements were reached on the restoration of the previously destroyed bridge in the Stanitsa Luganskaya.
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  1. +40
    27 January 2018 10: 18
    There are absolutely two useless chelas - one Russian, the other American, but, which is characteristic, both hang out in different countries of the world at the expense of taxpayers ... A good bureaucratic post is - Loitering! laughing
    1. +26
      27 January 2018 10: 24
      Ukraine and Donbass are at war, and some people from the Russian Federation and the USA agree! In Dubai it’s good, warm ... And in the Donbass people are dying! Many without heating ... I don’t know what else to say, but until the announcement of the election results, the nifig will not change!
      1. +2
        27 January 2018 10: 30
        there is nothing surprising in this. This is a classic of the genre. A game of chess.
        1. +14
          27 January 2018 10: 38
          I doubt that chess! It reminds me of a fool game more. And with us!
          1. +3
            27 January 2018 10: 40
            Well, they think that we are a regional power. We are at hand. But it seems that they are beginning to see clearly.
            1. +3
              27 January 2018 11: 37
              Quote: Heterosigma
              But it seems to begin to see clearly.

              hi
              It's just that Ukraine, with its contents, is tired of everyone before vomiting. Even the "stubborn" Walker admits this:
              1. 0
                27 January 2018 12: 29
                Quote: Logall
                I doubt that chess! It reminds me of a fool game more. And with us!


                It doesn’t matter what to play, so long as we don’t stay in the “fools”.
              2. +3
                27 January 2018 14: 35
                Quote: Lelek
                Kurt Walker DW- Honestly, I think that many European governments do not want this to become a permanent obstacle to cooperation with Russia. They are dissatisfied with the actions of Russia, dissatisfied with the invasion, impose sanctions, but do not want this to become something permanent. And so they would like this problem to disappear. But Russia persists and there is no getting around it.

                source: http://www.dw.com/en/special representative- USA-
                aine-dont-believe-what-rf-wants-to-occupy-all-ukraine
                y / a-42294840

                Volcker's words about the hoteliers of Europeans and his own resemble the old Russian nursery rhyme:
                - I caught a bear!
                - So lead here!
                - Not coming.
                - So go yourself!
                “Yes, he doesn’t let me in!” laughing lol wassat
          2. +2
            27 January 2018 10: 45
            The longer Russia conducts these pseudo-negotiations, the more Americans become impudent, it must be clearly stated that peacekeepers are only on the demarcation line of the parties, if they do not agree, they went into the woods. ....
            1. +4
              27 January 2018 11: 17
              I am sure that the Kremlin knows better than you how to negotiate
              1. +6
                27 January 2018 13: 40
                As a result, no common ground during the meeting in the UAE could be identified

                And for some reason I didn’t doubt it request and peace, for nothing, to breed bars for nothing. request
              2. +8
                27 January 2018 20: 37
                Quote: Heterosigma
                I am sure that the Kremlin knows better than you how to negotiate

                Behind the Hunchback Bridge, they know best how to loot.
                I remember how in 2014 we all united together around the idea of ​​New Russia, the gdp said that, they say, we won’t give the Russians an insult, then a certain Swiss official arrived and ...... Vovik, first “screwed up” and then turned on the back. Andarbek Dudaev (groundhogs), went to Kuyev for negotiations, and meanwhile in the Donbass was going mochilo Russian Russian. Even then, voices were heard that the "discharge" of LDNR had begun.
                And now the questions: who sent Colonel FSB Strelkov to Slavyansk, and then recalled him from Donetsk? Who eliminated all the leaders of the people's republics of Mozgovoy, Dremov, Bednov, Motorola, Givi?
                And now everything is simple, to merge Donbass for the arrested loot ...., to bargain better, but not for Russia, but for the "sanctions list".
                And how to explain all this to the plebs? So just everything, plebs everything droppings, TV will explain. And aslambek, in the world of marmots, a negotiator
                "noble", he will merge everything as it should, he will do everything right, as ordered.
                1. +5
                  27 January 2018 20: 57
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  And now everything is simple, to merge Donbass for the arrested loot ...., to bargain better, but not for Russia, but for the "sanction list". And how to explain all this to the plebs? So just everything, plebs everything droppings, TV will explain

                  Sling cutterbut good on the internet, right?
                  Drive the chernukha, which only wanders into your head ... and no one will take for a skirman wink
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  who sent Colonel FSB Strelkov to Slavyansk

                  Oh ... And what, Strelkov - FSB colonel? Right? belay
                  Ah ... he said that ... well, so what the hell does he say request
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Who eliminated all the leaders of the people's republics ...

                  The people you listed were not "leaders of the republics."
                  And Putin undoubtedly personally eliminated them. Well, or, at worst, Surkov.
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  plebs everything litter-tv will explain

                  And who are you yourself Sling cutter? Who do you think you are?
                  Well, that’s very interesting ...
                  1. 0
                    28 January 2018 01: 52
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Sling cutter, but good on the Internet, right?
                    Drive the chernukha, which only wanders into your head ... and no one will take for a skirman

                    what what It seems, oh, it's been overdoing this for a long time !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                  2. +3
                    28 January 2018 11: 53
                    Golovan: So, in your opinion, the “recalled” and the killed were not “leaders” / in the Donbass they are considered the national heroes of NEW RUSSIA /, maybe you consider the puppets Plotnitsky and Zakharchenko “leaders”? The people did not choose them, these are the proteges of the Jewish Surkov. And they are removed by his order / Jew Plotnitsky /.
                    Therefore, republics with a stretch can be called "people's".
                    They were popular only for the first 1-4 months. When people, abandoning mines and businesses with hunting rifles, stood at roadblocks, protecting their homes from the Nazis.
        2. +1
          27 January 2018 11: 16
          While negotiations are ongoing, the American base in our Ochakovo continues to be built.
          1. +3
            27 January 2018 11: 46
            For every Ochakov there is his own Suvorov A.V ..
        3. +3
          27 January 2018 12: 26
          Quote: Heterosigma
          This is a classic of the genre. A game of chess.

          I don’t understand your comparison of the situation with a chess game. In chess, rivals play, achieving victory over each other. This is a battle of minds. Tell me what the situation is called when there is a street fight, and there are two standing by the window and bet on the victory of the parties. Only here they also kill ...
          1. +5
            27 January 2018 12: 32
            Quote: Esoteric
            I don’t understand your comparison of the situation with a chess game

            Judging by your comments here, it's ... no wonder.
            Quote: Esoteric
            Only here they also kill ...

            In chess, too, "eat". Horses, elephants ... there’s no question of pawns.
            The victim of the winning piece (quality, pace ...) is also from there, from chess.
            Doesn’t resemble anything? try to think a little wink
          2. +1
            27 January 2018 13: 40
            the comparison is very understandable. The game of chess is applicable to the geopolitical game of the USA and Russia, here you have a real battle between the minds of the General Staff and geopolitical advisers and a very large group of specialists, and the Fiigra on the boards are people who die and who embody these ideas on the board.
      2. +3
        27 January 2018 10: 44
        Quote: Logall
        I don’t know what else to say, but until the announcement of the election results, the nifig will not change!

        as after the Russian elections ... then they will wait for the elections in Ukraine .... then in Europe, etc. .... the Donbass has always come .... like Transnistria ... only the Swan is not there
      3. 264
        +3
        27 January 2018 10: 46
        What may be the results, Logall? 999.99% OK. laughing laughing laughing hi
        1. +2
          27 January 2018 10: 52
          Quote: 264
          What may be the results, Logall? 999.99% OK. laughing laughing laughing hi

          I think decency for the sake of will be from 72% to 79%.
          1. 264
            +2
            27 January 2018 10: 54
            good Well, if only for the sake of decency ....... laughing laughing laughing drinks hi
      4. 0
        27 January 2018 11: 30
        Quote: Logall
        And in the Donbass people are dying! Many without heating.

        hi
        Unfortunately this is the case. Here is the last one today:
      5. +3
        27 January 2018 12: 41
        Quote: Logall
        Ukraine and Donbass are at war, and some people from the Russian Federation and the USA agree! In Dubai it’s good, warm ... And in the Donbass people are dying! Many without heating ... I don’t know what else to say, but until the announcement of the election results, the nifig will not change!

        Greetings
        There may be several scenarios. One of the options could be a “pig” in the form of an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, planted by Trump and Poroshenko in time for the elections ...
      6. 0
        27 January 2018 19: 33
        The trouble is that such marmots brought the country to complete isolation and aggressive confrontation of the entire world environment .. And it’s not only the environment that is guilty, more marmots are such marmots - they are not farsighted politicians, but petty scammers, winning in the small ones, lose strategically and for a long time ... Drive in the neck of such marmots that they start a war in the Donbass, and then they throw the Donbass Russians into extermination, spill the Russian one. and Ukrainian blood, but recently it was hard to imagine that a Russian and a Ukrainian would kill each other, and all this was Surkov and similar crimes ...
        1. +1
          28 January 2018 01: 54
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          The trouble is that such marmots brought the country to complete isolation and aggressive confrontation of the entire world environment .. And it’s not only the environment that is guilty, more marmots are such marmots - they are not farsighted politicians, but petty scammers, winning in the small ones, lose strategically and for a long time ... Drive in the neck of such marmots that they start a war in the Donbass, and then they throw the Donbass Russians into extermination, spill the Russian one. and Ukrainian blood, but recently it was hard to imagine that a Russian and a Ukrainian would kill each other, and all this was Surkov and similar crimes ...

          dress trims for decency !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing
      7. +2
        28 January 2018 03: 36
        Quote: Logall
        Ukraine and Donbass are at war, and some people from the Russian Federation and the USA agree! In Dubai it’s good, warm ... And in the Donbass people are dying! Many without heating ... I don’t know what else to say, but until the announcement of the election results, the nifig will not change!

        I’ll upset you - after the election, absolutely nothing will change, whoever won there, and who won, we know Yes Now I’m watching 100 great speeches on the Che channel, and they showed Paris Hilton, a speech before the elections, but something else caught on - Paris and McCain are fighting, and Abama is winning! Why do you think this is me? hi winked wink
    2. +7
      27 January 2018 10: 28
      The meeting was held in Dubai (UAE) .
      This is what nonsense. To talk about peace in New Russia, these two cranks fly to one of the most expensive places in the world. Why did the Taj Mahal not rent
      1. +10
        27 January 2018 10: 33
        Quote: Chertt
        Why did the Taj Mahal not rent

        Isn't he in India? And the fact that in Dubai is the favorite quirks of our officials! They’re going on vacation, but they make it out as a business trip ... Apparently I was sent somewhere with a walker ... Now there will be money from taxpayers to pull. Surkov from ours, a walker From theirs ... Or both flew at our expense?
        1. +3
          27 January 2018 10: 39
          Quote: Logall
          Isn't he in India?

          Of course in India, (I gave it as an example, the Hindus passed it in 2016 for 8 hours, for some astronomical figure). Just conversations with a knowingly zero result, you can also conduct in the "boarding house asterisk"
          1. +5
            27 January 2018 10: 44
            There, gray brother offers his kitchen as a platform for negotiations! I think that this is the place for such conversations. There will be no result, but in the face, from the owner of the kitchen, both will receive. What will please us.
            1. +2
              27 January 2018 10: 47
              Quote: Logall
              There will be no result, but in the face, from the owner of the kitchen, both will receive. What will please us.

              That's why from Gray brother, The Minister of Foreign Affairs doesn’t, knows how to salt mushrooms, it’s without question wink
              1. +6
                27 January 2018 10: 50
                This is exactly what is needed for negotiations with the Americans! They squeezed the embassy from us, and he is in their faces! Their fighters fired at our base, and he is in the face! They are sanctions to us, and he is in their faces! They are setting Europe against us, and he is in their faces! They cheat with the Olympics, and he told them ... Well, you know where!
                The result is on the face, so to speak ...
                1. +1
                  27 January 2018 10: 57
                  Quote: Logall
                  and he is in the face!

                  Quote: Logall
                  and he is in the face!

                  Quote: Logall
                  and he is in the face!

                  Do you know how much good china teeth cost ?. Gray brother the entire budget, US foreign affairs will bring down
        2. 0
          27 January 2018 11: 19
          Marmots probably invited him to dance at our expense ...
      2. +1
        27 January 2018 10: 34
        Quote: Chertt
        This is what nonsense. To talk about peace in New Russia, these two cranks fly to one of the most expensive places in the world. Why did the Taj Mahal not rent

        In kind, they would have gathered in my kitchen, would have slammed "Putinki" under the mushrooms, would have burst for life - cheaply and angrily. laughing
        1. +2
          27 January 2018 10: 41
          Quote: Gray Brother
          In kind, they would have gathered in my kitchen, “Putinki” would have slammed under the mushrooms, would have cracked for life

          You talk so beautifully hi For the first time in my life I regretted that I was not Surkov
        2. +4
          27 January 2018 10: 41
          Quote: Gray Brother
          slammed "Putinki" under the mushrooms

          I doubt that these two children would drink! Surkov would have become, but only under the supervision of Putin himself. But, they wouldn’t refuse mushrooms. From hallucinogenic!
      3. 0
        27 January 2018 10: 47
        Quote: Chertt
        these two freaks fly to one of the most expensive places in the world

        wassat laughing Dubai is the most expensive place in the world ?? fool ... then the Russians are the most well-to-do in the world, because they rest there for a year without measure ... and they bring home a bunch of unnecessary expensive trinkets from watches and gold cufflinks - to cars (through the Caspian) .... used to speculate - if expensive super quality laughing so what do you think ??? wassat
        1. 0
          27 January 2018 11: 09
          Bourbon Hello hi
          Quote: Burbon
          Dubai is the most expensive place in the world ??

          one of the most expensive
          Quote: Burbon
          since there they rest for a year not measured.

          And when was the last time you visited Dubai, you speak so confidently. Or do you believe the instagram of oral-directed stars. I think, in fact, there are not many Russians there
          1. +1
            27 January 2018 12: 08
            Quote: Chertt
            Burbon Hello

            hi

            Quote: Chertt
            one of the most expensive

            not more expensive than Moscow !!!
            Quote: Chertt
            And when was the last time you visited Dubai, you speak so confidently

            I have never been there at all, although I could have been there 10 times, but you see what’s the matter .... my friends are friends and relatives, everyone was there for 5-7 each .... and this is my source ....
            Quote: Chertt
            I think, in fact, there are not many Russians there

            do not think correctly ... there ours as in Turkey at the resorts of Belek ....
            1. 0
              27 January 2018 12: 25
              I can’t continue to oppose you, because neither I nor my friends were in Dubai.
    3. +1
      27 January 2018 10: 28
      Quote: Finches
      There are absolutely two useless chelas - one Russian, the other American, but, which is typical, both hang out in different countries of the world at the expense of taxpayers ...

      Often such meetings are needed solely to obtain official confirmation that the parties have remained in their positions and are not going to leave them.
      She is such a diplomacy.
      1. 0
        27 January 2018 11: 23
        The official confirmation must contain paper and signature, again an official (authorized for these actions).
        1. 0
          27 January 2018 13: 09
          Quote: kaban7
          The official confirmation must contain paper and signature, again an official (authorized for these actions).

          There is a protocol for this.
    4. +2
      27 January 2018 10: 33
      Quote: Finches
      Absolutely two useless chelas - one Russian, the other American,

      Well, at least they pretend they’re trying to agree .. hehe
      Donbass has already cut off a piece .. We won the time, many in the West are already starting to cool off to Ukraine, the main thing is to catch up with the division and bankruptcy, take Kiev! Many junta in Kiev threw and above all the people in this territory. And Groundhog, in my opinion, was too demonized, the cunning people of course, but he is a pawn ..
      1. +1
        27 January 2018 12: 21
        Quote: MIKHAN
        many in the West are already starting to cool down to Ukraine, the main thing is to catch up with partition and bankruptcy, take Kiev!

        fool wassat Vitalka, you have been asserting this for the fifth year, and Ukraine will not fall apart anyway ... and you will not take Kiev anyway ..... are you tired?
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    5. +2
      27 January 2018 10: 50
      Quote: Finches
      There are absolutely two useless chelas - one Russian, the other American, but, which is characteristic, both hang out in different countries of the world at the expense of taxpayers ... A good bureaucratic post is - Loitering! laughing

      We have such an idle whole State Duma, and the Federation Council too.
    6. wax
      0
      27 January 2018 14: 05
      The game of beads is an inevitable component of any negotiations.
    7. 0
      27 January 2018 14: 18
      just what they agree is not voiced
    8. 0
      27 January 2018 19: 32
      The trouble is that such marmots brought the country to complete isolation and aggressive confrontation of the entire world environment .. And it’s not only the environment that is guilty, more marmots are such marmots - they are not farsighted politicians, but petty scammers, winning in the small ones, lose strategically and for a long time ... Drive in the neck of such marmots that they start a war in the Donbass, and then they throw the Donbass Russians into extermination, spill the Russian one. and Ukrainian blood, but recently it was hard to imagine that a Russian and a Ukrainian would kill each other, and all this was Surkov and similar crimes ...
  2. +3
    27 January 2018 10: 19
    Surkov needs to be replaced urgently, by a decisive, and even arrogant negotiator! And if the authorities do not find this, then let our country be represented by a tongue-tied stutter so that Walker himself will become the same in time! am
    1. +6
      27 January 2018 10: 24
      Surkov is still a guy, Prokhorova bent without straining.
    2. +2
      27 January 2018 10: 24
      Why "replace urgently with decisive" ? It’s not regrettable to say, but the sluggish conflict in the Donbass is beneficial both to the Kremlin and the United States - therefore, the negotiators are appropriate!
    3. +2
      27 January 2018 10: 30
      What does Surkov have to do with it, if the American strategy here is simple, introduce new sanctions, and then check during this meeting whether Russia’s position has changed under the influence of these sanctions ... it’s rather the other way around, if the negotiator is replaced, then Russia is ready for concessions, and by concessions the Americans understand the complete surrender of the DPR and LPR ...
    4. +2
      27 January 2018 10: 31
      the negotiator alone as a person does not solve anything. Trumps and goods that can be offered in exchange for concessions are decided.
      1. +9
        27 January 2018 10: 39
        Facial expression and sweating determine the position and next steps.
  3. +4
    27 January 2018 10: 23
    in which city their next meeting will be held.
    Exactly. They travel the world at treasury expense knowing full well that they will not agree on anything. And if you look, then what to negotiate when the parties have a completely opposite view of events and the culprit.
  4. +5
    27 January 2018 10: 27
    which was to be expected ... somehow it wasn’t calculated ...
  5. 0
    27 January 2018 10: 28
    And why Dubai, and not for example Tromsø? That is, went to sunbathe and not solve problems?
  6. +3
    27 January 2018 10: 31
    And things are still there, and for a long time they will stand in this place.
  7. +2
    27 January 2018 10: 38
    Well, who said that to no avail ... they took a ride for free ... they shopped ... went to the beach ... rested ... and Donbass ... that Donbass ... there are Russian people ... they don’t get used to it ...
  8. +2
    27 January 2018 10: 51
    The question is that we are losing our positions, and accordingly they will talk with us in any matter, i.e. our opinion is no longer taken into account and is pushing its own. Here we will see later ... unfortunately ....
  9. +3
    27 January 2018 10: 56
    “... The Dubai package of“ American developments, unlike the Belgrade package, on the whole looks quite feasible. At least at first glance, ”Surkov said.
    "The main thing in it is a rather detailed plan for the phased deployment of the mission in conjunction with the implementation of the political points of the Minsk agreements. This is the balanced approach that we are always striving for. We will carefully study it and give an answer in a timely manner. After that, we will invite Kurt and his colleagues to a new meeting." - said the assistant to the head of the Russian state. "
    More on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/politika/4907699

    The sanctions bell in the head smoothly leads to surrender. ... After Debaltseve “RF” slowly but constantly makes concessions. The "parties" have no disagreements, except, perhaps, in terms of time ... It is understandable, nothing should cast a shadow on the pathos of the Elections.
    1. +1
      27 January 2018 11: 30
      In general, a war of exhaustion - the more Svidomo go through the crucible, the more they have a break. One talker from ORT studio went to the Donbass and returned to the studio with tears ... now he can't see him ...
  10. +1
    27 January 2018 11: 37
    The partner of the guarantor does not abandon attempts to negotiate with partners, at least on some slightly acceptable conditions, about the beautiful surrender of Donbass. Although the face in the mud will turn out in any situation.
  11. 0
    27 January 2018 12: 03
    What can I negotiate? 1) About the division of the world. 2) About the partition of the USA. 3) About the division of Russia.
  12. +2
    27 January 2018 13: 06
    The main intrigue for reporters is no longer in when Surkov and Volker agree (and if they agree at all), but in what city their next meeting will take place.

    In Gorlovka they need to meet or better in Zaitsevo, which would be thought faster.
  13. 0
    27 January 2018 15: 47
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: Logall
    Ukraine and Donbass are at war, and some people from the Russian Federation and the USA agree! In Dubai it’s good, warm ... And in the Donbass people are dying! Many without heating ... I don’t know what else to say, but until the announcement of the election results, the nifig will not change!

    Greetings
    There may be several scenarios. One of the options could be a “pig” in the form of an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, planted by Trump and Poroshenko in time for the elections ...

    I’m worried that after our “pig-cutters”, meat will smell “bad” in the urine. Already now, they are “feeling” it slowly.
  14. 0
    27 January 2018 18: 42
    To hell with all these talks between Surkov and Walker ?! Well, absolutely no use!
  15. +1
    27 January 2018 20: 57
    Well, why is it "inconclusive"? Rested, hanging out, what is not the result? Now, look for a new point ...
    1. 0
      28 January 2018 03: 28
      we quoted each other without collusion!
  16. 0
    28 January 2018 03: 27
    One can argue with the statement "The futile Dubai voyage of Surkov and Walker"! why to no avail? The sun, palm trees, beaches ... pleasant table discussions, wonderful interior, excellent cuisine! No, these days are clearly not lived in vain! Of course, the parties agreed to continue the meetings, because there are still so many wonderful places on the planet that are worth visiting. ... Political tourism is new in business!
  17. 0
    28 January 2018 03: 54
    Quote: lis-ik
    Quote: 264
    What may be the results, Logall? 999.99% OK. laughing laughing laughing hi

    I think decency for the sake of will be from 72% to 79%.

    Decency was completely forgotten in the last election and gave rise to "bulk", with which they now do not know what to do.
  18. 0
    29 January 2018 00: 18
    A little surprised, but very pleased with the abundance of Western, and maybe American comments. But their meaning in my opinion: Surkov is a Russian patriot and at the negotiations in the Emirates adequately defended the interests of Russia. And that the negotiations were in the Middle East, this is a good example and the science of Arabs how to defend their interests. And then 20 years ago, Russians were considered rags and unable to lift a finger in defense of their people. And now even many of Kadyrov’s subordinates deserve more respect than top officials of other states.

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