Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East

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The American President commented in an interview with the TV channel CNBC US spending on various kinds of military operations in the Middle East. According to Trump, "operations in the Middle East have proved unprofitable for the United States."

From Donald Trump's statement:
We, as the data show, have spent (in recent years) 7 trillions of dollars in the Middle East. We with these operations were at a disadvantage. This is a big loss for us.




This kind of statement was made by the US President at the World Economic Forum in Davos.

Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East


Further, Trump once again stated that he personally defeated ISIS (* prohibited in the Russian Federation). From the statement of the American president:
And we are still there (in the Middle East). I defeated ISIS *, we did a great job. Our coalition has freed almost 100% of the territories of Syria and Iraq from ISIS. But in general, everything is very sad. Spent huge funds.


At the same time, Trump did not provide accurate data on how many years it was for the United States to spend this astronomical sum on military adventures in the Middle East. He also did not inform Trump about whether his words mean that Washington is planning to spend less money on the Middle East and military operations in this macro-region.
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  1. 264
    +7
    26 January 2018 17: 17
    This is not money for them, they still print it. laughingWhere would we get, at least about the same ...
    1. +14
      26 January 2018 17: 20
      Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East
      If this is true, then it must be admitted that the Pentagon did well with American taxpayers laughing... the American Generals can knock money out ... laughing
      1. +13
        26 January 2018 17: 23
        Only by seeing all of these clinging “ISIS winners” does one clearly understand what enormous work the Russian armed forces did
        1. +2
          26 January 2018 17: 38
          Quote: 264
          ... We would have somewhere to get, at least about the same ...
          Who is this for us?
        2. +15
          26 January 2018 17: 54
          I defeated ISIS

          Clown in the presidency of the first nuclear power is a terrible sight feel Anika warrior what, one won the whole igil laughing Damn Eun is much more adequate.
          1. +2
            26 January 2018 23: 44
            Quote: vlad66
            Clown in the presidency of the first nuclear power is a terrible sight

            hi
            Showman is PR. Well, how could it be otherwise, when the rating of the "exclusive country" falls every year even among the most devoted vassals. It's only the beginning.
        3. 0
          26 January 2018 18: 10
          US lost 7 trillion ...

          Trump also wants to stop funding the ISS after 1925. The economy must be economical. smile
        4. +11
          26 January 2018 18: 10
          I defeated ISIS *,

          There it is, che-yo-yo ... It turns out that the man's roof rustled ... He wins ISIS at night.
          1. +1
            26 January 2018 18: 26
            He loves to show off and boast, soon the numbers will begin to grow.
            1. +9
              26 January 2018 18: 32
              My respect, namesake! hi
              Quote: cniza
              He loves to show off and boast, soon the numbers will begin to grow.

              smile They will grow up to the official US public debt and then it will be possible to demand from other countries this debt to pay off. And what? They were also protected from ISIS. smile
              1. +2
                26 January 2018 18: 40
                Greetings Victor! hi But he will do so. lol
                1. +5
                  26 January 2018 18: 56
                  It will be so. Not just the same, he voiced such a fantastic amount. I’m wondering how the American citizen will react to these numbers?
                  1. +1
                    26 January 2018 20: 36
                    He first called 4, in Davos already 7, which he will call tomorrow? lol
                    1. +1
                      27 January 2018 21: 15
                      Cigarette case golden three, tape recorder Japanese three, leather jacket three !!!
                  2. 0
                    26 January 2018 21: 09
                    Only, he does not say how much they have earned ...
        5. +5
          26 January 2018 18: 13
          Yes, let them stick together, we do not need laurels, we need peace. 7 trawl bucks to win ... Nekhilo so ...
        6. +1
          27 January 2018 01: 56
          Quote: Chertt
          Only by seeing all of these clinging “ISIS winners” does one clearly understand what enormous work the Russian armed forces did

          the coalition made even more sorties than the VKS and destroyed enough militants to tell it. So yes, they at least did no less for the destruction of ISIS despite the propaganda, and maybe more considering that half of the air force’s flights were made to support Assad against the opposition, not ISIS ....
        7. +1
          27 January 2018 21: 13
          The Americans won the First World War, the Second World War also different Chinese, Vietnamese, Arab and sexual wars.
      2. +1
        26 January 2018 17: 28
        They are even proud of their ability to knock out budget money, but they are only mediocre fighters.
        1. +1
          26 January 2018 23: 49
          Quote: Thought Giant
          They are even proud of their ability to knock out budget money,

          hi
          Well, you can’t say anything, pumping money out of your own and foreign citizens is a favorite pastime of American nouveau riche.
      3. +13
        26 January 2018 17: 33
        The American currency in relation to its competitors is not as strong as many would like. It is time to start wondering: will the US dollar fall apart in 2018?
        It is no secret that over the past three decades, the US dollar has fallen by about 25% compared with its competitors in the foreign exchange markets. And now, according to the assumptions of world economists, the dollar is about to collapse. By design or by accident, the US dollar index lost about 10% in 2017. This trend can continue and is likely to accelerate in 2018.
        1. +11
          26 January 2018 17: 34
          Most of Trump’s economic strategy and recovery plan depend on his tax reform. The move is radical and unrealistic. According to economists, the new tax strategy will only increase the country's external debts and lead to a deep economic crisis.
          One of the main pillars of Trump's economic reform is tax reform. This is one of the most ambitious fiscal reforms to date, even more than what Reagan did in the 1980s. But there are many doubts about its viability. Perhaps Trump will have to revise the plan and dilute its provisions. The tax changes indicate a reduction in corporate taxes to 20%. In the best case, the innovation will have to be postponed.
          1. +11
            26 January 2018 17: 34
            As political tensions increase internationally and domestically, President Trump seems unable to make a single favorable move in the eyes of the democrats, therefore, in 2018, the collapse of the dollar can still be expected.
            Before discussing the weakness of the US economy, it is worth noting the influence of the Chinese yuan. The more international currencies exist, the more the dollar faces competition. The value of an international currency, such as the dollar, is determined not only by interest rates, but also by pure economic power, for example, gold (a strong element of perception).
            The strength of the dollar, especially after the end of World War II, was associated with US economic power and political stability. But the dollar was also tied to US military power.
            The collapse of the dollar in 2018 could be affected by China. The country is developing rapidly in all areas of technology. Meanwhile, more and more American companies have already moved to China. Moreover, the Chinese are also expanding their military capabilities, building their own military ships, invisible fighters and smart weapons. They even plan a space mission to the moon. China's international influence is growing along with its technology and military capabilities.
            Part of this growing influence includes the yuan. The currency of China is becoming increasingly important. Recently, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) included it as a special currency for borrowing rights.
            At the international level, and even within the United States, there is uncertainty that the yuan may continue to grow at this unexpectedly fast pace. In addition to the leap from China, the United States suffers from such a thing as debt. US debt continues to grow, and Trump's aforementioned fiscal policy may accelerate its growth rather than slow it down.
            Trump's plan risks raising debt well above the current $ 20,0 trillion. Therefore, the Federal Reserve will not be able to raise interest rates. Raising interest rates on taxes and loans is the main way to help the dollar maintain its value against major currencies, especially since many central banks, such as the European Central Bank and Bank of England, have hinted that they are ready to adopt a tighter monetary policy .
            So, the collapse of the dollar in 2018 will directly depend on the tactics of the US president regarding the recovery of the country's economy and exit from the debt hole.
            1. +13
              26 January 2018 17: 36
              And the green wrappers of the Fed will be printed for you in the glorious city of Odessa, on Malaya Arnautkuoy 16!
              1. +2
                26 January 2018 17: 54
                Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
                And the green wrappers of the Fed will be printed for you in the glorious city of Odessa, on Malaya Arnautkuoy 16!

                I read your posts, you feel the hand of the master hi . One clarification on Malaya Arnautskaya 16, just a small residential doi
            2. +4
              26 January 2018 18: 27
              Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
              The strength of the dollar, especially after the end of World War II, was associated with US economic power and political stability. But the dollar was also tied to US military power ..

              Do not lie. Before the war, there was just a dollar, after the war, the petrodollar camp. There is nothing to do with military power, otherwise the USA would not be afraid of our power then.
        2. +5
          26 January 2018 17: 40
          Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
          It is time to start wondering: will the US dollar fall apart in 2018?

          In Russia, this question has been around for 20 years, as they ask ..
        3. +2
          27 January 2018 01: 59
          Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
          The American currency in relation to its competitors is not as strong as many would like. It is time to start wondering if the US dollar will fall apart in 2018

          If the dollar crashes, then Russia will suffer even more and will default, many of the government’s assets are in dollars, not to mention the reserve ...
      4. +1
        26 January 2018 17: 49
        Quote: Black
        Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East
        If this is true

        Nope, 7 trillion is what they could figure out, but in fact you need to multiply by two or even three. hi
        Trampampampushka burn, soon the FBI with the CIA will tidy up the handles, if they do not bang him first.
      5. +1
        26 January 2018 17: 52
        Yes, for such an amount, you can create a new state that will fight. Israel cost at times cheaper.
      6. +2
        26 January 2018 17: 56
        Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East
        This he wanted to say how the “poor” American taxpayers are doing everything to destroy the economies of the Middle East, providing not only the solvency of American green wrappers, but also a huge number of orders to American corporations.
      7. 0
        26 January 2018 17: 57
        let it show the place where they were dropped, we need them!
      8. 0
        27 January 2018 05: 12
        This money has not disappeared, it’s just someone else’s, do not be sad!
    2. 0
      26 January 2018 17: 21
      And raped on Iraqi and Libyan oil, probably 37 trillion. laughing
      1. 264
        +3
        26 January 2018 17: 28
        Fucked us, with the devil in the front row, Urya, dropped millions of expired bombs worth a barn (tobish, sorry, the main headquarters) laughing And others take off the cream ... Not a damn forum ... And not us ...
        1. +6
          26 January 2018 17: 43
          Quote: 264
          -Ushing, millions of overdue bombs were dropped on the shed (tobish, sorry, the most important headquarters), while others remove the cream ...

          - More specifically: it means ours were wrong that they trained their pilots to bomb their landfills in Syria, having trained almost all point strikes with almost expired bombs? Trump can jabber for whatever it takes, whoever needs it - those who understand who is in charge of this victory. So let him lick his cream in some places!
        2. +12
          26 January 2018 18: 10
          Quote: 264
          millions of overdue bombs dropped on a shed (tobish, sorry, the most important headquarters)

          What are you, what are you. Of course rashly acted. It was necessary to dispose of these same expired bombs. True, how much would this treasury cost ????? And so, yes, I agree with you, well, almost, almost ......
          1. +10
            26 January 2018 18: 45
            Quote: Thirty-eight parrots
            It was necessary to dispose of these same expired bombs.

            Better yet, give out to retirees, an ideal way to settle accounts with neighbors. fellow
            1. +10
              26 January 2018 18: 50
              Quote: vlad66
              Ideal for settling accounts with neighbors.

              or maybe with the FIU ???????? bully
              1. +7
                26 January 2018 19: 28
                Quote: Thirty-eight parrots
                maybe with FIU ???????

                Prior to the FIU, a delivery vehicle is still necessary, because the plane is not supposed to be a pensioner. fellow
                1. +8
                  26 January 2018 19: 45
                  Quote: vlad66
                  still need a delivery vehicle

                  There would be a bomb, but what we deliver we find ..... Pensioners they are ....., much of fiction .... laughing
                  1. +6
                    26 January 2018 20: 42
                    Quote: Thirty-eight parrots
                    Senior citizens they are ....., on invention then much ....

                    Then a request, to issue missiles, so that they themselves fly to the FIU. laughing
                    1. +3
                      26 January 2018 22: 09
                      Quote: vlad66
                      Then request, issue missiles

                      I would take "Shilka". what It will always come in handy on the farm. feel
      2. +3
        26 January 2018 17: 53
        Quote: RASKAT
        And raped on Iraqi and Libyan oil, probably 37 trillion. laughing

        The United States fought and earned corporations D. Cheney, Kondoklizmy Rice and so on.
        My layouts were about what companies and the number of shares on hand and in the form of donations to these presidential companions.
    3. +1
      26 January 2018 17: 23
      Aha, and women still give birth to militants? belay
    4. 0
      26 January 2018 17: 31
      I defeated ISIS *
      Now it’s clear from whose pocket money was for the war in the East.
      1. +1
        26 January 2018 17: 36
        Quote: Wend
        Now it’s clear from whose pocket money was for the war in the East.

        Also thinking the same .. But Trump did well, how subtly hinted to the whole world who and what is behind ISIS and how much is spent .. Continue Trump in the same vein! Not for nothing that the financial world elite ganged up on him, such a tidbit pulled out of the jaws of world sharks.
        As if he had not been flunked .. (I hope our special services control this all ..)
        1. 0
          27 January 2018 02: 04
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Also thinking the same .. But Trump did well, how subtly hinted to the whole world who and what is behind ISIS and how much is spent .. Continue Trump in the same vein! Not for nothing that the financial world elite ganged up on him, such a tidbit pulled out of the jaws of world sharks.

          is it on Trump that the financial elite has taken up arms? You are a naive little man, after the election, just all the stock quotes went up, this "dissatisfied elite" recorded super-profits. Trump is the representative of the "financial elite" ... unhappy lol
        2. +1
          27 January 2018 05: 16
          Like Erdogan was warned!
    5. +4
      26 January 2018 17: 38
      Quote: 264
      This is not money for them, they still print it. laughingWhere would we get, at least about the same ...

      They apparently started a war on BV, with the money that our brought out of Russia ..
    6. +1
      26 January 2018 18: 20
      Trump defeated everyone, but spent a lot. belay Now he will press so that the Euro-vassals will chip him in for the “victory”. lol
    7. Maz
      0
      26 January 2018 21: 21
      Seven trillions .... Can all homeless people in America build a cottage and ward off a hundred walls with Mexico
      1. 0
        27 January 2018 02: 10
        Quote: Maz
        Seven trillions .... Can all homeless people in America build a cottage and ward off a hundred walls with Mexico

        the economy doesn’t work like this, the Homeless will not bring extra profits from the development of the military-industrial complex, control of oil quotes and income from stocks soaring into space at corporations close to war.
    8. 0
      27 January 2018 12: 12
      Quote: 264
      Where would we get, at least about the same

      Not a single comment that would not prick Russia. Have you even broken off from those 7 trillion? Or do you work for an idea?
  2. +6
    26 January 2018 17: 21
    With the phrase "I played the igil," the psychiatrists tensed, and the разг рам crushed ’igilites filed a lawsuit against Trump against Trump! fool wassat
    1. +1
      26 January 2018 17: 24
      Quote: Herkulesich
      When the phrase "I played the igil", psychiatrists tensed, and the "ransacked" igilovites filed a lawsuit against Trump

      Apparently he and Peter-Schumer were still pushing in Davos ... then they both are not de-pins today wassat Petsyundera also funny to listen. laughing
  3. +3
    26 January 2018 17: 21
    At the same time, Trump did not provide accurate data on exactly how many years the United States spent this astronomical sum on military adventures in the Middle East.


    I think he counted a little.
    1. 0
      26 January 2018 17: 30
      I agree: the training and armament of the igil militants, at least, are not taken into account.
    2. 0
      26 January 2018 17: 44
      So he probably calculated how much he personally spent, because he single-handedly defeated the IG.
      The rest comes in the amount of several times more for entertainment expenses))))
  4. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 22
    Let the igil and nusra hang this money, and force it to return with interest! am wassat
  5. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 22
    There it is, understand. Personally, Trump defeated ISIS in Syria. And before he defeated Hitler. Solely. And we, naive, thought that Assad’s army was beaten with ISIS in Syria with the support of the air forces.
  6. 0
    26 January 2018 17: 24
    Colonel Trump scratches. He pins it, like raruba paarubia here yesterday. The eccentric, it seems, was packed tightly in the soap bubble, the monstrous refraction from there, looking from the inside. Oh, sorry, it didn’t work out of it. Rumata Estorsky
  7. 0
    26 January 2018 17: 26
    Putin is definitely to blame, - made the Americans fight the organizations banned in Russia.
  8. +3
    26 January 2018 17: 30
    Trump: US lost 7 trillion dollars in military operations in the Middle East

    Dma, the boys are serious there ... they are sawing in earnest ... now try to take this gold mine from them.
    1. 0
      27 January 2018 12: 14
      Crying as if the printing press had broken. laughing
  9. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 34
    The “General” somehow forgot that the US military-industrial complex is the main producer and engine of the economy. Who would need your F-35s in peacetime. And so, in fact, a scam, became the star of the program all over the world!
    1. 0
      26 January 2018 17: 43
      But one cannot but agree. Great business project. And an adequate result. And again, these are advanced technologies in iron (maybe controversial). But they are in business, and not in projects and drawings, stands, samples ... So what, what are the states, there is an international team, and there are many Russians.
      1. +1
        26 January 2018 18: 32
        To argue that the Americans have a serious design school, that they are specialists, of course, it’s useless, but the whole US military-industrial complex relies on the policy of the country where Americans are the main problem in the world. Development of color revolutions, education (so to speak) of revolutionaries from dissatisfied citizens, formation conflicts, this is the support of the military-industrial complex. To whom would they sell their planes, do not start to swing the Arab countries?
  10. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 44
    Quote: 264
    This is not money for them, they still print it. laughingWhere would we get, at least about the same ...

    They, the more they print, the more their money depreciates, and we need to raise our economy and earn money, then we will not be victorious. fool
  11. +5
    26 January 2018 17: 45
    that the debit with the loan did not match, remained in the red? steal, sir! so it's time to strike out in the east, maybe they will come out in plus ... Yes lol
  12. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 49
    The US budget spent on creating a mess on BV 7 trillion. At the same Amer oligarchic clans earned as much. Loot is washed with blood. This is corruption! The rest of the countries, even taken together, in corruption cases to the Amer, like to the moon with cancer.
  13. +2
    26 January 2018 17: 50
    Trepach and clown. One word is a showman. He effectively lowered the dollar. Almost 15%
  14. +4
    26 January 2018 17: 52
    Quote: ando_bor
    Putin is definitely to blame, - made the Americans fight the organizations banned in Russia.

    Well, yes, Putin, for Americans everywhere is to blame! And that he pulled Russia out of the swamp, invented by the Americans, and that he raised our humiliated liberals, the army and put it at the highest level, and that he began to raise the Russian economy. He’s still in office and Russia will come out of this stupid dead end. good
  15. +1
    26 January 2018 17: 53
    Our coalition freed from ISIS * almost 100% of the territory of Syria and Iraq

    I didn’t understand, now the territory of the CAA is also controlled by the government.
    What did the coalition pass on to Assad’s troops? wassat
    Is Trump sleeping again?
  16. +1
    26 January 2018 18: 01
    Quote: Herkulesich
    With the phrase "I played the igil," the psychiatrists tensed, and the разг рам crushed ’igilites filed a lawsuit against Trump against Trump! fool wassat

    Is that in the court of Igil Sharia? fool
  17. 0
    26 January 2018 18: 11
    three jackets, two tape recorders - no three tape recorders ................
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  19. 0
    26 January 2018 18: 31
    "We, as the data show, have spent (in recent years) in the Middle East $ 7 trillion. We have been at a disadvantage with these operations. These are big losses for us." ... losses for the state ... and for a certain amount to the formation of financing and distribution ... awesome income of money ... if in Afghanistan, they managed to prove tens of billions of plundered money ... for Iraq they did not manage to report at all ... then maybe the account is about hundreds of billions replenished in someone's pockets. .. so war is for someone over profitable business .... and it will continue to lobby ... there is money for this ... to get even more money.
  20. 0
    26 January 2018 18: 34
    We, as the data show, have spent (in recent years) 7 trillions of dollars in the Middle East. We with these operations were at a disadvantage. This is a big loss for us.

    Guys ... You trade cut paper. So anyway in the black. There is nothing to piss. Now, if the main stock indexes dipped 15-20 percent of interest ... Well then, yes .. In addition to falling quotations of major securities, you have nothing to fear (the exception is GDP, Russian hackers, etc.)
  21. +1
    26 January 2018 19: 24
    It's probably him laughing and counted our money?
  22. +1
    26 January 2018 19: 39
    I defeated ISIS

    But we got off our feet, looking together with Assad - where did ISIS go? There it is, Mikhalych ...
  23. 0
    26 January 2018 20: 13
    Donald, what's the problem of typing? Call the Rothschilds at the Fed - they will solve this issue in two ways.
  24. 0
    26 January 2018 20: 59
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Dmitry Belovetsky
    The strength of the dollar, especially after the end of World War II, was associated with US economic power and political stability. But the dollar was also tied to US military power ..

    Do not lie. Before the war, there was just a dollar, after the war, the petrodollar camp. There is nothing to do with military power, otherwise the USA would not be afraid of our power then.

    It was with the help of the Armed Forces of the SGA that the world market was dictated by itself, dictating and imposing its laws and rules, and those who disagreed were simply “democratized” with the help of the Armed Forces.
  25. 0
    26 January 2018 21: 58
    A trifle, but nice
  26. 0
    26 January 2018 22: 19
    Where has something gone ... Somewhere else has arrived ... Someone has not made bad money ...
    .
  27. 0
    26 January 2018 23: 49
    One question for Trump: What did the combine harvesters suck?
  28. 0
    27 January 2018 00: 37
    Yes, you won’t refuse American politicians in hypocrisy ... He won in Syria and Iraq))) ... If it weren’t for Russia's successes in Syria, then the Americans would not have moved in Iraq either, they were happy with everything, they bought oil ISIS is several times cheaper than the market price, and now it was necessary to close the shop because of Russia, oil has already hit $ 70 per barrel ... What the Americans do not know, well, they think we’ll appoint ourselves winners ...

    I wonder in Afghanistan how they also defeated all the terrorists.
  29. +1
    27 January 2018 00: 41
    People, enough of these tales already about the fact that the United States will print dollars as much as they want ... No, they can’t do this (like no country, Russia or Germany can, Zimbabwe can, but you wondered what inflation is in this country) , simply because the money supply is always equal to the amount of goods and services produced in the country and its companies, if they just printed bucks without taking into account the proportional growth of manufactured goods, then inflation in the United States would not be 2-3%, but 20-30 % and more...
    1. +1
      27 January 2018 02: 19
      simply by the fact that the money supply is always equal to the quantity of goods

      ... judging by the statements of the trump - the money supply depends on the wars carried out by the merikatosia ...
  30. +1
    27 January 2018 02: 17
    We, as the data show, have spent (in recent years) 7 trillions of dollars in the Middle East. We with these operations were at a disadvantage. This is a big loss for us.

    Neither give nor take - peacemaker! laughing
  31. 0
    27 January 2018 03: 14
    In reasoning, lost, unprofitable !!!
    How about a bargain ...
  32. 0
    27 January 2018 08: 36
    To pour tears, he turned on the machine and printed it, but your "oligarchs" are still being shod and all problems will be solved.
  33. 0
    27 January 2018 16: 05
    Yes, this is not the first time I have heard this from the trump. When it was announced for the first time, he said about Iraq that they say we lost the money, but didn’t take the oil, it went to others. For him, if the Americans are at war, then it's business, after the resources of a defeated country must be controlled by the war. Therefore, he accused Obama of having allowed the Americans after the victory in Iraq and Libya, did not take the economic assets of these countries, and they got the Russians, Chinese and Europeans. If America has the most powerful army, he says, then it’s necessary and will take advantage of it. Otherwise, why do we spend money on its maintenance. And if she won, then don’t have to hand over what she had occupied. He thinks like the emperor of the whole world. And I think the Americans will not be extorted from Syria. Nadeus that the Turks will pay for everything , well, we will be a European in the American wallet. It is not by chance that he says that the share of military victories was not won by the winner. The increased oil price is his first step. The second will be new American weapons for NATO countries. Arabs began to upat to pay.
  34. 0
    27 January 2018 20: 07
    They spent of course, but not theirs, but our money !!! Just borrowed, are they unlikely to return, or does someone want to try to return? Again, if their economy floats, it will drag along with itself the world. And if someone floats at the helm, then it can also drag it to the world.
  35. 0
    27 January 2018 21: 00
    Tyuyuyuyu. Just? Well, rednecks!
  36. +1
    27 January 2018 21: 08
    We plowed, I and the tractor !!!

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