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German media: "New armored vehicles of the Bundeswehr are too old" to intimidate Russia

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The new German infantry fighting vehicles are “too old” and are not suitable for participation in a military operation against an “attacking enemy who uses the most modern types of weapons,” said journalist Sabine Ziebold in an article for the German TV channel N-TV.




Soon, new Puma armored vehicles should be involved in the "modern NATO rapid-reaction forces," Siebold writes.

However, Puma, it seems, has rather become a new difficult child: weapons are already outdated, additional equipment is expensive, and time to combat use just enough.
quoted by the author InoTV.

According to the journalist, about € N 500 million are required, so that the armored vehicles necessary for the 40 миссии mission ’are ready for it.

She notes that currently "the Bundeswehr has already received 190 from 350 Puma armored vehicles, ordered from Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) and Rheinmetal." But they arrived in the basic configuration and are not suitable for participation in a military operation against the "attacking enemy, which uses the most modern types of weapons."

We put what we agreed in the contract,
A spokesman for Krauss-Maffei Wegmann said.

"German Tanks are needed to intimidate Russia, and the last word - whether additional equipment of 40 Puma armored vehicles will be carried out - remains with the German Ministry of Defense, ”writes Siebold.

In conclusion, she stressed that “according to the information of knowledgeable persons, the ministry has still not decided whether to approve or not the allocation of the necessary 500 million euros for this”.
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  1. Gray brother
    Gray brother 26 January 2018 14: 08
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    Quite already ofanarel in their Euroreich - "time to combat use" in their bare hands.
    How to drive into stupid European heads that after combat use they will have time to spare, and not "before"?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 26 January 2018 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: Gray Brother
      Quite already ofanarel in their Euroreich - "time to combat use" in their bare hands.

      Maybe the "Russian hackers" strain, let them send silly e-mails to these silly eHsperts colorful videos of testing atomic weapons
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 January 2018 14: 22
        +7
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe the "Russian hackers" strain, let them send these silly eXperts colorful mails of atomic weapon testing

        Yes, you can show them anything, even if the trunk is elephant. All the same, they will write what they are paid for.
      2. Monos
        Monos 26 January 2018 18: 45
        +4
        And why did you attack the poor lady? In women, intuition is well developed. Everything can be ... We, in fact, are also in a hurry to rearm ...
      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 27 January 2018 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe the "Russian hackers" strain, let them send silly e-mails to these silly eHsperts colorful videos of testing atomic weapons

        I think there will be enough such photos:




    2. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 26 January 2018 14: 21
      +6
      this phrase is most annoying, history has not taught Fritz anything request
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 January 2018 14: 26
        +6
        Quote: Warrior with machine gun
        , history did not teach Fritz anything

        By the way, in a bad situation, the mushroom will grow immediately after the Poles with gypsies and most likely not one. Only it will be a little cooler, after all, the storage of American nuclear weapons - this is not for you.
        1. Warrior with machine gun
          Warrior with machine gun 26 January 2018 14: 32
          +5
          Yes, to the lantern, how many of these mushrooms they will grow (and 100% will grow buzit), I’m more worried that because of these paranoids we can suffer losses again, and burn them with a blue flame even today.
        2. St Petrov
          St Petrov 26 January 2018 14: 35
          +6
          By the way, in a bad situation, the mushroom will grow immediately after the Poles with gypsies


          at the same time. Gypsies have only missile defense. But the nonsense - nuclear weapons American. Therefore, it is necessary to hit Europe simultaneously. Just different types of weapons. On missile defense and an iskander with a normal charge is enough. But nemchura will get nuclear weapons in his jug.

          It would be interesting to know which country according to the plans of the General Staff how many launches are planned by a nuclear bomb

          Need to send beautiful infographics to Hans
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 26 January 2018 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            Gypsies have only missile defense.

            First, countermeasures, the rest later. Moreover, the Germans have bombs, not rockets.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 26 January 2018 14: 40
              +4
              moreover, it seems that even the Chukhons are already working out a nuclear bomb strike from the supply of mattress covers.

              there, apparently, the skating rink should be walked all over Europe indiscriminately.

              Leave only Serbia untouched and Kosovo. Then to give it to bros
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 26 January 2018 14: 42
                0
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                and it seems that even the Chukhons are already working out a bombing strike.

                It looks like masturbation.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 26 January 2018 14: 44
                  +2
                  the main thing is that from Tallinn they won’t be late for the war. And then all the plans of the military about the simultaneous strike will upset
              2. basmach
                basmach 26 January 2018 17: 38
                +2
                You will personally appear as a skating rink, to level and crush everyone. Everyone got into a fuss here, the warriors "couch". What you will equalize, tea is not the USSR with its army, the current one will not be enough even for a long defense. I do not even mention reserves because of the lack of them. And before the "mushrooms" appear there, they will grow with us
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 26 January 2018 17: 41
                  +2
                  You will personally appear as a skating rink, to level and crush everyone.


                  The rink is our triad. The Chukhons also hope not to tank us with tanks.

                  I do not even mention reserves because of the lack of them.


                  Do not exaggerate so much. We have several tens of millions of partisans and in stocks there are helmets and cartridges. (Well, judging by the warehouses of the RAV, which I happened to observe)

                  And before the "mushrooms" appear there, they will grow with us


                  Well, also not a fact.
              3. basmach
                basmach 26 January 2018 17: 40
                +1
                You will personally appear as a skating rink, to level and crush everyone. Everyone got into a fuss here, the warriors "couch". What you will equalize, tea is not the USSR with its army, the current one will not be enough even for a long defense. I do not even mention reserves because of the lack of them. And before the "mushrooms" appear there, they will grow with us
                1. Siberia55
                  Siberia55 26 January 2018 18: 27
                  0
                  Where does the data on reserves come from, comrade ??? Strategist, however, since you know everything on defense? Come on, sir, justify your "cry of the soul"
                  1. ARES623
                    ARES623 26 January 2018 21: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Siberia55
                    Where does the data on reserves come from, comrade ???

                    Mobilization opportunities of the state (almost any) up to 20% of the population. So consider it. Of course, these are not partisans, but called up from the reserve and mobilized. There is no need to worry about draft dodgers. Ceremonies are not supposed to be held with deserters during a special period. An expedited and simplified legal procedure will help everyone to show patriotism in the army. And there, in general, everything is simple ... Well, and besides, when the first information about losses passes through the population, most of our fellow citizens will wake up with something "shaggy and uncontrolled." I would like to recall that until the mid-30s, cosmopolitan views were very strong in the USSR, but in 1941 the vast majority of the population experienced pronounced patriotic feelings.
                2. Siberia55
                  Siberia55 26 January 2018 18: 29
                  +1
                  And about the skating rink: if there is a need, I do not hesitate to “roll” to level and to CRUSH!
              4. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 27 January 2018 13: 05
                0
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                Leave only Serbia untouched and Kosovo. Then to give it to bros

                And what about Bulgaria?
                1. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 28 January 2018 15: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: AllXVahhaB
                  Quote: s-t Petrov
                  Leave only Serbia untouched and Kosovo. Then to give it to bros

                  And what about Bulgaria?

                  Forget the myth of Bulgarian little brothers. They were little brothers after Shipka, when Russian soldiers freed them from the Ottoman yoke. It so happened that after three years the Bulgarians firmly sided with the enemies of Russia, which continues to this day. Do not forget that now Bulgaria is a full-fledged member of NATO and a participant in all anti-Russian companies (actions, sanctions, "plans to counter Russian aggression", etc.)
      2. Topotun
        Topotun 26 January 2018 15: 08
        0
        The Germans were mainly taught, but they are driven by the "democratic elite", and this is the people of Germany.
      3. Scoun
        Scoun 26 January 2018 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: Warrior with a machine gun
        this phrase is most annoying, history has not taught Fritz anything request

        German tanks needed to intimidate Russia

        The campaign will need to divide Germany into 13 parts and from their cross, leave each a square.
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 26 January 2018 14: 22
      +1
      They hope for RESTART ... or just think that it is possible!
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 January 2018 14: 37
      +3
      and time to combat use to spare,

      This is where they are in a hurry? To fight with us? So we refresh the memory of the appearance of the Russian fist in the German nickle.
      And you won’t be able to frighten us with Pumas ... scared by tigers and panthers. As if the Germans did not have to be afraid of knocking on the door, Iskander missiles with small BCH.
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 26 January 2018 16: 12
      +1
      They will not understand that in armor, that without armor, the radioactive and molten skeletons of these machines will not be needed by anyone.
  2. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 26 January 2018 14: 11
    +3
    and time to combat use barely

    As they got it already by imposing this thought - Russia is about to attack Europe. Are people preparing to explain the preemptive strike? What would all be in complete confidence they say we do not attack - they attack? And no one pays any attention to these moments in the West, this is already in the order of things. Propaganda is a great thing, you can drive almost any idea into people's heads if there is an information resource and enough time. It always surprised me, are there really so few sane people in the mass?
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 26 January 2018 14: 27
      +2
      Aloizych with his cormorant Goebbels rubbed the same fables about the attack of Bolshevism on Europe before 41, but everything turned out differently ((it’s hard to come up with something new, but God forbid, you can repeat the old trick, it remains to hope that they did not forget what the past the trick is over.
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 26 January 2018 16: 13
      0
      And we need to spell out the military doctrine of preemptive strike. That they knew what they were afraid of.
  3. axxenm
    axxenm 26 January 2018 14: 18
    +1
    "German tanks are needed to intimidate Russia"
    ..with something familiar
    ..and unfortunately, thanks to compradors and traitors in power, they are closer to their goal than 77 years ago ..
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 January 2018 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: axxenm
      "German tanks are needed to intimidate Russia"

      Many tried to intimidate ... only then either into the ground two meters, or with a guilty ingratiating look-Hitler kaput, they spoke, holding out an empty bowl.
    2. SPLV
      SPLV 26 January 2018 20: 06
      0
      Quote: axxenm
      to intimidate Russia "

      The most interesting information in the article. Some are no longer even shy, are not afraid to "burn off", specifically speak about their goals.
      Let someone now tell that the Germans want to lift the sanctions.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 January 2018 14: 19
    +3
    500 million euros for the equipment of 40 armored vehicles? I'm losing weight, dear edition. For the money you can buy 100 "Leopards", not the 40 BMP. In the Bundeswehr, in the course of the play, the cut is such that the Pentagon never dreamed of.
  5. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 26 January 2018 14: 20
    +1
    Europe completely lost fear! And whispers and begs come Russian Vanya and set us free!
  6. st25310
    st25310 26 January 2018 14: 55
    0
    How can they still not understand that modern technology is suitable only for war, like Syria, Afghanistan, etc. And for countries with nuclear weapons are not afraid of any prodigies. Attacked, get a nuclear charge in response.
  7. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 26 January 2018 15: 16
    +2
    Everyone, even the Germans, was completely crazy ...
  8. atesterev
    atesterev 26 January 2018 15: 32
    +1
    Their new "Rita" (according to their Puma) we were very scared and we immediately had an encopres (crap in Russian) smile .
  9. Малый
    Малый 26 January 2018 16: 09
    0
    scare their population .... this child prodigy with ptrk makes its way through ????
  10. Antidote
    Antidote 26 January 2018 16: 14
    +1
    They would say simpler: you need more gold! So no, they fantasize, however, like ours ..
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 January 2018 17: 51
    +2
    I am silent after reading the article, just no words ..
    Here is the picture (old) that speaks for itself .. soldier

    Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten...
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 January 2018 18: 45
    0
    Are they going to intimidate a nuclear power with armored vehicles? fool
  13. faterdom
    faterdom 26 January 2018 23: 18
    +1
    German tanks needed to intimidate Russia

    Who are they going to frighten there? Togo boy with the "so-called Stalingrad boiler"? He is already ready for a warm captivity!
    In general, it is necessary to return the name of Stalingrad, purely so, for a hint, without frightening anyone.
  14. would
    would 27 January 2018 04: 28
    0
    Typically, such articles in the media are used to justify an increase in the military budget and the cost of new equipment. This is no more than one of the tools for lobbying the interests of the military-industrial complex.

    First, the wave “AAAAA!” Rises at different levels! Our equipment is out of date, missiles do not fly, and the Russian is on the threshold! Everything is gone, chief, and right after that a “rescue plan” is presented. What actually is written in the article

    According to the journalist, about € N 500 million are required, so that the armored vehicles necessary for the 40 миссии mission ’are ready for it.

    “German tanks are needed to intimidate Russia, and the last word is whether the 40 will be additionally equipped with Puma armored vehicles - remains with the German Defense Ministry,” Siebold writes.


    So this is nothing more than lobbying for purchases in the amount of 500 lemons. In the meantime, while in Germany they say that the Puma is outdated, the main BMP of the RF Armed Forces is BMP-2 ...
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 27 January 2018 16: 01
      +1
      absolutely a little bit) The slogan "Russians are coming!" valid so far without fail. All these hysteria. as a rule - a way to pump out more money for military toys
  15. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 27 January 2018 08: 25
    +2
    German tanks are needed to intimidate Russia ...

    After these words, shots from the past appear in the mind .., somehow subconsciously (yes, what is there - consciously !!!), at the genetic level, instinctively I want to destroy ... creatures.
    They have not yet answered us properly for the Great Patriotic War.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 27 January 2018 08: 32
      +2

      If we had not withdrawn our troops from the GDR in 1994, then there would be no such lawlessness now ...
      The largest group! They kept the whole of Europe for their tricks, together with the allies in the ATS! And the potential front was in the center of Europe, and not as it is now on our borders.
      Former USSR Minister of Defense Dmitry Yazov praised the withdrawal of troops from Eastern Europe as a betrayal by Mikhail Gorbachev and Eduard Shevardnadze ...
      And yet, this TV..b-Medvedev Gorbachev-Judah, who lives in Germany, awards orders ... Putin opens the Yeltsin Centers ... Well, and who, in your opinion, is now in power in our country?
      Commerce, just commerce ...
      Not swear words will be?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 January 2018 12: 04
        0
        If the tagged were still strangled in the cradle, would we withdraw troops from Germany?
        We will be realistic, go further and try not to step ... on the same rake!
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 28 January 2018 07: 37
        0
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Well, and who, in your opinion, is now in power in our country?
        Commerce, just commerce ...

        not commerce, but the Occupants!
  16. dDYHA
    dDYHA 27 January 2018 11: 49
    0
    At 41, the Germans were also not the most advanced models of military equipment. It may be enough to throw probable opponents with caps. They also shouted - with little blood on foreign territory. When history is taught, there will be urapatriots.
    1. Graz
      Graz 27 January 2018 13: 14
      0
      you lagged behind life now no one will go for 1000 km to take Berlin, ballistic missiles will fly there, in which case that's all, put millions of fools soldiers
  17. gla172
    gla172 27 January 2018 12: 03
    0
    .......... but in general, the armored car is not so terrible as its Russian crew !!!! wink
  18. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 27 January 2018 15: 55
    +1
    We put what we agreed in the contract,
    A spokesman for Krauss-Maffei Wegmann said.

    Actually, then what are the Germans dissatisfied with? What they ordered is what the company produced for them. The plant cannot drive a gag. This is already na..vo will be called.

    Apparently, they want a “Puma” with an additional invoice of armor. This is provided for, protection level "C", but with it the machine is not air transportable by most BTA aircraft - weighing more than 40 tons.

    weapons are outdated, additional equipment is expensive

    well, expensive .. but how do you like, for free? The armament on the “Puma” is quite to itself, no worse than classmates. Puma is generally a very good car, although not cheap.
  19. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 28 January 2018 21: 30
    0
    500 lyamov eureka for 40 BMP !!! ??? Are they there with gold trim and inlaid with diamonds?
  20. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 28 January 2018 21: 33
    0
    Quote: Gregory_45
    We put what we agreed in the contract,
    A spokesman for Krauss-Maffei Wegmann said.

    Actually, then what are the Germans dissatisfied with? What they ordered is what the company produced for them. The plant cannot drive a gag. This is already na..vo will be called.

    Apparently, they want a “Puma” with an additional invoice of armor. This is provided for, protection level "C", but with it the machine is not air transportable by most BTA aircraft - weighing more than 40 tons.

    weapons are outdated, additional equipment is expensive

    well, expensive .. but how do you like, for free? The armament on the “Puma” is quite to itself, no worse than classmates. Puma is generally a very good car, although not cheap.


    I understand that you had the opportunity to test this car at the training ground? :))