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Ukraine surprised the American general with the sale of tanks abroad

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Former US Army Commander in Europe Ben Hodges said he was surprised when he learned that Ukraine is exporting Tanks. His words are quoted by Voice of America.


The retired Lieutenant-General, speaking at a briefing by the US Security and Cooperation Commission in Europe, said how he had visited the Malyshev plant in Kharkov.

Ukraine surprised the American general with the sale of tanks abroad


I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"
- remembered Hodges

According to him, Ukrainian defense enterprises have the ability to produce really good equipment, but the state cannot afford to purchase these products due to lack of transparency.

The situation in the Ukrainian arms market is not the first to cause the West to be perplexed. In October last year, The Foreign Policy published an article about the presentation of its developments by the state concern Ukroboronprom, including the Phantom unmanned mini-armored personnel carrier, mortars, upgraded tanks, missile and artillery weapons at the AUSA-2017 international exhibition Washington to attract Western partners. Journalists wondered why, when Kiev asks Washington to provide lethal weapons, the company that supplies weapon for its Armed Forces, advertises its products abroad?
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 January 2018 18: 30
    27
    I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

    So, after all, everything is for sale, not only the Motherland ... and for sebe Ukrainians will be asked to fight the damned Muscovites from the Western generals. wassat
    1. mad
      mad 25 January 2018 18: 34
      41
      Quote: NEXUS
      Homeland

      The real homeland is where the ass is warm ..
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 25 January 2018 18: 41
        17
        They just think that the Javelins themselves will fight for them! Made in United States of America after all ...
        1. mad
          mad 25 January 2018 18: 47
          12
          Quote: Anarchist
          the javelins themselves fight for them

          Or, as an option, some kind of child prodigy because of which they can’t defeat the Russian tank columns and bring peace to the East ... But they will get it, they will scratch their turnips, what kind of noodles they’ll hang on their ears now. And the Javiks, away from sin, will be pushed to the bearded men)
          1. volodya
            volodya 25 January 2018 20: 10
            +4
            This is not a country, this is an anti-country! Sell ​​your own, and ask for the army, and it’s better to donate, although this is most likely to be sold!
            1. gm9019
              gm9019 25 January 2018 21: 11
              +2
              Quote: volodya
              better for free

              "freebie sir!" - this is the sweet word "freebie" ... request
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 25 January 2018 22: 47
              +2
              Some strange comments. It is clear what they are doing for export, since they themselves have no money for the purchase of new weapons, moreover, in large numbers and in all directions. And what better not to produce anything at all? Neither for export?
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 25 January 2018 23: 25
                +8
                Quote: alexmach
                And what better not to produce anything at all? Neither for export?

                It is not a matter of producing tanks, but of posing a question. This is the same thing that, in the midst of the Battle of Kursk, Stalin would push the tanks so necessary on the front to the left. But Ukraine trumpeted the whole world that it was almost fighting alone with Russia and holding back the "Eastern hordes." In passing, begging for someone without a handout, weapons or money. After the collapse of the Union, Ukraine got so many weapons that it would be enough for a small world war. And where is it? It’s clear in the bins, that is, on the offshore accounts, and now they’re begging.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 26 January 2018 00: 32
                  +2
                  Well, firstly, Ukraine and the USSR at the height of the Battle of Kursk are 2 different countries in two very different wars. Ukraine, for the most part, in spite of the war, lives an ordinary peaceful life. "Everything for the needs of the frona" and a 12-hour working day 7 days a week is still not about them.

                  Where is the weapon - and so it actually fights. What does the APU have never experienced a shortage of. But the ATGMs they really lacked.
                  1. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 26 January 2018 08: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: alexmach
                    Ukraine, for the most part, in spite of the war, lives an ordinary peaceful life.

                    Humor did not understand the situation. Well, okay. And for Ukraine, I don’t need to tell how she lives and how, I vegetate here myself. And every day, from all sides, through all channels, no matter how the news, then about the "aggression" of Russia.
              2. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 26 January 2018 01: 12
                0
                Quote: alexmach
                Some strange comments. It is clear what they are doing for export, since they themselves have no money for the purchase of new weapons, moreover, in large numbers and in all directions. And what better not to produce anything at all? Neither for export?

                Indeed, the fact that the defense industry enterprises are state-owned is a trifle. Like the fact that the power of the “warring country” is about to break Hari. laughing
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 26 January 2018 09: 16
                  0
                  So what, that state. For example, what do you propose? Do not build tanks for export? Or even send them to the APU? And under contracts, who will pay what?
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 25 January 2018 20: 35
          +3
          Quote: Anarchist
          They just think that the Javelins themselves will fight for them! Made in United States of America after all ...

          until the last Ukrainian fool angry
        3. Seal
          Seal 26 January 2018 11: 25
          0
          They will be sold for them. And Ukrainians will have nothing to do with it.

          Jewelin is a very strange subject.
          Only he is - and he is not there at once. "


          Then staff members will contact us with tearful requests for assistance in the repurchase of Jewels from the DPR and LPR.
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 25 January 2018 20: 42
        +4
        ass
        also sells like ...
        1. Fedorov
          Fedorov 25 January 2018 21: 40
          +9
          No, it is for rent.
          And as for the retired commander, I will say in the words of Mikhail Zadornov - “Are you pr-and-du-rok, or have you come from America?” In this case to Ukraine.
          For us, this is already understandable, they’re getting rid of, robbing the country. And he was surprised, sort of like.
      3. AlexVas44
        AlexVas44 26 January 2018 07: 47
        +2
        Quote: mad
        The real homeland is where the ass is warm ..

        And lard, lard, lard .... !!!!!!
    2. figwam
      figwam 25 January 2018 18: 35
      +9
      Let's get faster than the javelins, then be surprised.
    3. Monos
      Monos 25 January 2018 18: 43
      18
      Journalists wondered why, when Kiev asks Washington to provide lethal weapons, does the company that supplies weapons for its Armed Forces advertise its products abroad?

      And sho, your javelins will leave without any advertising. laughing Quietly and inconspicuously ... Go ahead, they already have a buyer.
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 25 January 2018 19: 21
        +5
        Not the buyer, but the final recipient. In Kurdistan Iranian, for example.
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    5. Tersky
      Tersky 25 January 2018 19: 01
      20
      Quote: NEXUS
      and for sebe Ukrainians will also be asked to fight the damned Muscovites from the western generals.

      Well, that’s understandable, laughing, the stimulus is
      1. Stoler
        Stoler 26 January 2018 00: 14
        +2
        I haven’t laughed like that for a long time! THANK!!! good
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 25 January 2018 19: 20
      10
      Strange people are these American generals. Some oversee Ukraine, others are surprised. recourse
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2018 19: 23
        +8
        Quote: siberalt
        Strange people are these American generals. Some oversee Ukraine, others are surprised. recourse

        They are not strange, they are from Mars. And Ukrainians do not forget to do KU, and twice, maybe sometimes the general has yellow pants.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 25 January 2018 20: 45
          +5
          Quote: NEXUS
          They are not strange, they are from Mars

          I responsibly declare nothing like an honorary Martian: Martians are against American bases on their territory and are negotiating a strategic partnership in the field of defense with the Russian Federation. In the case of American aggression, the Martians will use a strategic asteroid across the United States, everything is ready for this.
          1. Alf
            Alf 25 January 2018 21: 16
            +4
            Quote: Balu
            Martians against American bases on their territory

          2. rruvim
            rruvim 25 January 2018 23: 08
            +1
            Adherents of Mars with you!
      2. Strashila
        Strashila 25 January 2018 19: 39
        +3
        They have different budget items ... how it came to the Middle East ... The CIA led the Mujahideen, who, under their leadership, attacked the US Marines.
        1. rruvim
          rruvim 25 January 2018 23: 47
          0
          Well this is quite conspiracy theology! Directly the series "Black List" ...
          1. user1212
            user1212 26 January 2018 04: 52
            0
            Quote: rruvim
            Well this is quite conspiracy theology!

            Why is this? Heads do not report to subordinates, especially to former ones. And porridge in Ukraine was brewed clearly not at the level the former US Army Commander in Europe
    7. Maz
      Maz 26 January 2018 03: 23
      0
      Will it still be, Mr. Rogers. This is Ukraine, controlled chaos in an uncontrollable country. Headless horseman . Tse still flowers
    8. Boris Tomarov_2
      Boris Tomarov_2 26 January 2018 09: 55
      0
      And they do not need javelins at all for war, but for sale.
  2. COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 25 January 2018 18: 34
    +4
    In short, they roll, and not ptrk))) The hint is clear!
  3. Trevis
    Trevis 25 January 2018 18: 34
    +4
    You ask Javelin, but do you export tanks yourself?

    Now you have to pay for the javelins!
  4. andre
    andre 25 January 2018 18: 35
    +9
    Experts eprst
    Posted Feb 23 2014 year
    "An Israeli military-political expert, a former head of the Nativ secret service, Yakov Kedmi, argues that there will be no war in Ukraine. But if Kiev turns its back on Russia, it will face financial collapse, poverty and hunger riots ..."
    I have one feeling that ho Ukrainians are conspiracy geniuses, like those cripples on our roads, they cry everywhere that there is nothing, file it, but have you bought a Merc for handouts?
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 25 January 2018 18: 54
      +2
      Kedmi conducts an operation of cover-up or smoke screen, writhing himself imputed, so as not to burn the office
  5. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 25 January 2018 18: 37
    +7
    Their generals are some kind of wedding, rams or fools.
    1. 264
      264 25 January 2018 18: 40
      +8
      Normal generals in them, they see everything, they understand everything. When they retire. Like politicians, by the way ... smile
  6. flicker
    flicker 25 January 2018 18: 41
    +6
    These Americans are like children.
    I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

    Well, what's so surprising here? One side of the conflict is tanks, and the other is javelins from these tanks. Still logical. General, but in the commerce not a tooth kick ...
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 25 January 2018 19: 36
      +8
      Quote: flicker
      flicker Today, 18:41 New
      These Americans are like children.
      I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

      Well, what's so surprising here? One side of the conflict is tanks, and the other is javelins from these tanks. Still logical. General, but in the commerce not a tooth kick ...

      These US generals in Afghanistan and Iraq have cut $ 7 trillion over a decade and a half. Compared with them, the Khokhlyak warrant generals are small children who can only pick their fingers in the nose, tinker in the sandbox and walk under themselves.
  7. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2018 18: 41
    +2
    I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

    Mind Ruin not understand. Arshin common can not be measured.
    On the other hand ... A unicellular organism raised a question.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 25 January 2018 18: 58
      +1
      But what does thieves measure the speed of manipulation of goods — money — goods. Who is the head of state? Who is in government? What is the ideology of these thieves? All for sale.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 January 2018 19: 24
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      On the other side of the factory, I noticed a number of brilliant new tanks. I asked: "What is this?"

      He had not looked behind the fence of the factory.
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 25 January 2018 18: 42
    +6
    What is mine is mine, and what is yours is ours. It is on this principle that Ukrainians live. tongue
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 25 January 2018 18: 56
      +2
      As in the song: “You are half and half to me. Your half is still half”
  9. Dormidont
    Dormidont 25 January 2018 18: 50
    +2
    Merikanin does not see the obvious difference between a freebie and a gesheft for Svidomo
  10. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 January 2018 18: 51
    11
    You ask Javelin, but do you export tanks yourself?

    so they will sell your Javelins ... do not be shy ... laughing what what, but knows how to surprise Krajina ... wink
  11. Cananecat
    Cananecat 25 January 2018 18: 52
    0
    So cho and ask for weapons ... supplies must be expanded laughing
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 25 January 2018 18: 54
    +2
    What is there to not understand.
    When Javelin enters the army, I will first build a house ..............................
  13. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 25 January 2018 18: 58
    +1
    Well it is necessary.
    Shoemakers without boots surprised the American general.
    And why?
    But because the American general is not strong in Russian proverbs.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 25 January 2018 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      But because the American general is not strong in Russian proverbs.

      They’re just stupid, and this especially stupid American- decided to fight with Russia. fool
  14. loginovich
    loginovich 25 January 2018 19: 06
    +1
    I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

    The mind of the Sumerians cannot be understood. When he finds out that the Javelins will also sell their sight. Not so stupid Sumerians.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 26 January 2018 00: 04
      +1
      Quote: loginovich
      Not so stupid Sumerians.

      Damn it, there's something to it. yes A number of brilliant tanks ... It turns out that they seem to have managed, like the Japanese, to pry out the recipe ... varnish "ukrusi". fellow
  15. Kerensky
    Kerensky 25 January 2018 19: 12
    0
    U.S. Army Commander in Europe

    What is this post? !! There can be no US ground forces in Europe!
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 26 January 2018 05: 39
      +1
      It could even be. Germany is still an occupied country. The Soviet occupation forces left after the collapse of the USSR, while the American ones remained, they simply removed the word "occupation" in their name. Therefore, the Germans do not rock the boat against the United States, as they hold them tightly by the eggs.
  16. Simon
    Simon 25 January 2018 19: 13
    +1
    Quote: mad
    Quote: NEXUS
    Homeland

    The real homeland is where the ass is warm ..

    Or maybe better - a "boiler". They like to get into the "cauldrons", especially in Donetsk and Lugansk. wink laughing
  17. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 25 January 2018 19: 14
    +3
    In fact, approximately the same situation was in Russia in the 90s
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 25 January 2018 19: 23
      +8
      It was, it was, it was, it was, but it passed, oooh, oooh ... wink and thank God...
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 25 January 2018 20: 10
        +5
        Marisha sang, a song of Moldavian Ukrainian. laughing
        1. Masya masya
          Masya masya 25 January 2018 20: 17
          +5
          Alexei, forgot to add that the title is people's, they crushed her in the USSR ... wink
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 26 January 2018 08: 01
            +5
            Marin love . In vain they gave (IMHO). You know how you can’t change it in “The Meeting Place”: “You didn’t think about the comrades of your dead, but about the house with the hog” - when the ambush on Fox fell. So she sang about the bright and the big. How did the Maidan and its consequences - she began to worry about the fate of her hotel in the Crimea, photo flash mobs in support of the Ukrainian authorities. And do not care about the Donbass, do not care about the events in Odessa.
            1. Masya masya
              Masya masya 26 January 2018 09: 35
              +5
              love
              Quote: Okolotochny
              In vain they gave (IMHO)

              What now, do not take it back, but she herself will not part ... wink let it enjoy ... Russia is a generous soul! yes
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 26 January 2018 22: 32
                +5
                By the way, Marish. I have a FAVORITE, a fluffy red cat - by the nature of the best cat, you should not wish for it. Do you collect pictures of red cats? I'll throw you off. This is a cat for all cats.
                1. Masya masya
                  Masya masya 26 January 2018 22: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  there is no need for a better cat.

                  Show more this red happiness! fellow
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 27 January 2018 14: 13
                    +5
                    I’ll get home as I get home. It has an infection habit to roam.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 25 January 2018 23: 35
      +1
      Quote: Captain Nemo
      In fact, approximately the same situation was in Russia in the 90s

      The fact of the matter is that most Ukrainians think that in Russia this is still the case. Ukraine itself, at 91, was in a much better position. It was.
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 26 January 2018 00: 37
        0
        But this we do not know. None of us is familiar with most Ukrainians. And the directors of their enterprises, like ours in the 90s, are forced, in the absence of orders from their homeland, to look for orders on the side. It’s clear that the American is wild
  18. ustinov.yuri
    ustinov.yuri 25 January 2018 19: 18
    +2
    Freshly painted? Or restored?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 25 January 2018 20: 49
      +2
      Quote: ustinov.yuri
      Freshly painted? Or restored?

      Are they really real, not inflatable? belay
  19. akims
    akims 25 January 2018 19: 28
    +1
    I noticed a whole series of brilliant new tanks on the other side of the plant. I asked: "What is this?" - "This is for export." - "Export? You ask for Javelin, and do you export tanks yourself?"

    So I did not understand the surprise of the American super-ensign and the irony of the members of the forum. With all due respect, but this is a common practice. The army and the state are bureaucracy, corruption, and often idiocy. And the capitalist needs profit, no matter what, and on the run. So that is all. Moreover, our tanks, which, for some reason, surprised everyone so much, are still under the old contracts, when they were signed in January. Debts if you want. And duty is sacred.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 25 January 2018 23: 41
      +1
      I repeat, the point is not in the tanks, but in the formulation of the question. They trumpet the whole world that they are holding back the "terrible aggression" of Russia from their last strength, they are scouting around the world, and their tanks are for sale. In the head of the American general, a similar "logic" of the descendants of the Sumerians does not fit.
  20. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 25 January 2018 19: 33
    +4
    About this, about 3 years ago I read a joke:
    A consignment of tanks arrived at KhTZ for repairs and subsequent sale to one of the African countries. After about three months, a director from the Ministry of Defense calls the director and asks:
    - Well - repaired?
    - So, the general, they repaired and even handed over to the customer!
    - WHOM, B # $% DAY, STILL THE CUSTOMER?
    - How to what? African. Somalia. Givi came from them as a representative - he took the whole batch.
  21. rruvim
    rruvim 25 January 2018 19: 34
    +2
    And that they all generals are stupid people? Hodges did not have information that Outskirts is an active arms exporter? Or is he in Kiev, and in Kharkov, he decided to ride on the "girls". As far as I know, in Somalia, the Americans were blown up on mines of Kharkov production ...
    1. Antares
      Antares 25 January 2018 23: 02
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      As far as I know, in Somalia, the Americans were blown up on mines of Kharkov production ...

      why not read on the Internet
  22. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 25 January 2018 20: 40
    +3
    You ask Javelin, but do you export tanks yourself?

    There will be javelins and they will be exported. laughing
    1. flicker
      flicker 25 January 2018 22: 02
      +2
      The fact that Poroshenko boasted that the Javelins were paid by the Americans themselves smile
  23. Georgievic
    Georgievic 25 January 2018 21: 13
    +2
    Until now, the general has not realized what the Javelins want to get for free!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 25 January 2018 21: 22
      +3
      Quote: Georgievic
      Until now, the general has not realized what the Javelins want to get for free!

      for resale, more precisely.
  24. smart ass
    smart ass 25 January 2018 22: 00
    +1
    The inheritance of the USSR has not yet been eaten by everyone
  25. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 25 January 2018 22: 58
    +2
    I can imagine how Western generals will be surprised when the Kiev junta begins to export the Javelins)))
  26. Antares
    Antares 25 January 2018 23: 16
    +1
    Life The commander was in many cities of Ukraine. And in Kharkov he was more than once. And he visited there more than one military factory. Kiev, Kharkov, Poltava, Lviv and other cities and many on the border of the Russian Federation. However, the Russian Federation has not bothered anything for a long time, and therefore we are not worried either. Partners are the same.
    So Hodges saw a batch of Bastions for Thailand. He did not get into the fact that these tanks are only for export (because expensive and MO prefers more budget tanks, and less expensive ones, although the T 80 has already been taken out of the storeroom).
    And secondly, the Ukrainians recognize that today the provision of anti-tank systems (Javelins) is more of a political and information-demoralizing opponent, which is also very important in the projection of information warfare. In the meantime, the essence and the matter, they are trying to compensate for the terrible shortage of ATGMs at the forefront of their own ATGMs.
    However, what to take with an American? I read his interview (such a big thing in Ukraine). In general, the conclusion is that the Americans seriously and for a long time. And the Russian Federation hopelessly lost everything that is possible in Ukraine.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 January 2018 23: 53
      +1
      Bro! Your ATGMs are "head" above all Javelins. Only you Americans seriously and for a long time. And we have Russian vacationers seriously and for a long time. I would not want the Russians to fight with the Russians. And the Anglo-Zionists always sit overseas.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 January 2018 00: 07
    0
    This is Ukraine, get used to it ... They don’t understand,
    that advertising is one thing, but serial deliveries are completely different.
    Again, there are questions about the quality of these weapons.
  28. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 01: 56
    0
    Well, the news of course. Probably, they covered the whole of Russia with an umbrella from the S-400, so we sell the complexes to "potential allies." Or am I messing up something?
  29. LeonidL
    LeonidL 26 January 2018 03: 45
    0
    The answer is simple, “Anything penny bula! Freebie, sir!” Anyway, Ukraine is now a country of miracles and frightened idiots.
  30. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 26 January 2018 04: 51
    +1
    Who is the “teacher" !! ?? - such is the student. Soon "javelins" will go on free sale.
  31. savage1976
    savage1976 26 January 2018 04: 55
    0
    The main thing is that there should not be a red button on the Javelins, well, the one in the Fifth Element.
  32. Nitarius
    Nitarius 26 January 2018 06: 11
    0
    Mustache is fine!
  33. sgr291158
    sgr291158 26 January 2018 06: 12
    +1
    But why be surprised, sell and cut money for, this is sacred. And then again, with outstretched hand, give, give and give again. And yet, you owe us, this is the policy of Ukraine.
  34. nikolaev
    nikolaev 26 January 2018 07: 36
    +1
    just took the example of the owners who sell them coal from the Donbass and gas from Russia. For this, "javelins" are needed.
  35. Slon_on
    Slon_on 26 January 2018 08: 25
    +1
    And what is it that the Svidomites did not rename the Malyshev plant in terms of combating "the cursed Radzian pass, that with sworn masks" in the "nameplate the name of the old man Kozalup chi Smetana"?
  36. gukoyan
    gukoyan 26 January 2018 10: 32
    0
    Well, they have a business, what is there to be surprised?))
  37. The Grubby
    The Grubby 26 January 2018 12: 55
    0
    Ukraine surprised the American general with the sale of tanks abroad


    This general will be surprised when the very notorious American Javelins that the states promise to put in an independent one find out in some sort of terrorist sharaba fighting against the brave American marines (as an option in the hands of the Afghan Taliban). laughing
  38. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 26 January 2018 13: 26
    0
    It’s not necessary to rivet Soviet tanks under a different name of the mind, considering that the plant worked fine at one time, but brains are needed to invent high-tech weapons (this is not to dig the Black Sea).