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Is it possible to replace call-up service with work in the field of the state defense order? President gave the answer

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In the course of communication with employees of the Kazan Aircraft Plant named after SPGorbunov, Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the proposal of one of the company's employees to replace army service for conscription by work in enterprises engaged in the implementation of state defense orders. According to Vladimir Putin, "you need to think."


At the same time, the president added that such a replacement was relevant with an increase in the number of servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation serving under the contract.

Is it possible to replace call-up service with work in the field of the state defense order? President gave the answer


The Kremlin press service cites a statement by the head of state:
Now only the Minister of Defense reported, I agreed on the creation of a technopark. There will be called young professionals, young scientists. You can talk, think about what to do with the specialists that you just mentioned. Of course, I think we will be able to do this as our plans are implemented to increase the number of military personnel who are not on conscription, but contract servicemen. In general, you are right.


Recall that the problem lies in the fact that many industrial enterprises engaged in the GOZ (and not only) are experiencing personnel shortages. There is a shortage of young employees in dozens of defense enterprises. Many young specialists after graduation are called into the army, and the management of enterprises is interested in their remaining at workplaces or, at least, returning back after serving.

However, there is a certain nuance here. Considering the realities, not only young people who are willing to devote their work and talent to the national defense industry can take advantage of the opportunity to replace army service with work at the state defense enterprise.
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  1. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 25 January 2018 17: 43
    +7
    All this is arbitrary, all this is individual.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 25 January 2018 17: 46
      0
      No need to experiment in this industry.
      1. Monos
        Monos 25 January 2018 17: 59
        14
        And today 80 years to Vladimir Semenovich Vysotsky.

        Song for foreigners about the "mysterious Russia." laughing
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 January 2018 18: 21
          +9
          Quote: Monos
          And today 80 years to Vladimir Semenovich Vysotsky.

          Greetings, Victor! hi
          And in this regard, I want to show you one performance ... my deceased father was not a hot fan of Vysotsky, but his fan. He knew everything about him, re-read all the books and knew most of his poems ... but could not stand the rewriting of Vysotsky’s clumsy songs .
          And now, after the death of my father, I came across one performance ... well, I don’t know, it hooked me on a living ...
          1. Monos
            Monos 25 January 2018 18: 37
            +6
            Good evening, Andrey hi
            Vysotsky lived in his songs. For me, he is a symbol of 60's - 70's. In his songs can live those from there.
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 25 January 2018 18: 45
              +7
              Vitya, I apologize of course, But
              Quote: Monos
              from there

              Where is it from? I honestly did not understand ...
              1. Monos
                Monos 25 January 2018 19: 38
                +5
                Hello, Sasha hi
                Quote: Anarchist
                Where is it from? I honestly did not understand ...

                Duc, from 60's, 70's, 80's. Whose childhood and youth passed in them.
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 25 January 2018 19: 48
            +1
            The same Semyonitch sang, and the captain was right not yet Evening. What do you think. We block, with the entire rusty Pacific fleet, bays and flats. Defiant, screaming. No? There is no Athlete from Russia, there are Russians and there is no Olympic Games. Just cancel nafig. Is it worth it to powerfully attack the western eggs - the stadiums are built, they will not come - Russia is the champion?
      2. Anarchist
        Anarchist 25 January 2018 18: 02
        +8
        Firstly, they can do something wrong and you won’t ask ... And secondly, someone will serve, And someone will earn money! Again, bribery in the military enlistment offices, what would a good son to arrange! In short, it will not end with anything good ...
        1. 264
          264 25 January 2018 18: 05
          +3
          Who needs it, and now they are successfully paying off.
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 25 January 2018 18: 08
            +8
            Yeah, well, so let's already have a legal name. This business !?
            Also prostitutes, gays, drug addicts and other riffraff ... because they already exist ...
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 January 2018 19: 48
              +3
              Quote: Anarchist
              Yeah, well, so let's already have a legal name. This business !?

              So what? Let them set aside grandmas for the construction of at least one aircraft and be free from military service. good
        2. ZVO
          ZVO 25 January 2018 20: 11
          +1
          Quote: Anarchist
          Firstly, they can do something wrong and you won’t ask ... And secondly, someone will serve, And someone will earn money! Again, bribery in the military enlistment offices, what would a good son to arrange! In short, it will not end with anything good ...


          I'll tell you so ...
          precisely because of that. that such a system of deferment from the army, which was introduced at our space facilities - and ultimately led to such a sad ending ...
          Sheer nepotism, all of someone's kids. granddaughters - and no one to ask.
          The swamp created ...

          Now they also want to beat aviation
        3. Alf
          Alf 25 January 2018 21: 19
          +2
          Quote: Anarchist
          Again, bribery in the military enlistment offices, what would a good son to arrange!

          This means that the number of managers will sharply increase at the factories operating on the state defense order.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 25 January 2018 18: 23
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir16
        No need to experiment in this industry.

        Yes, how much to experiment then .. Indeed, it seems that endless experiments are being put on the people. It is time to return to the socialist system. And no more experiments .. Here is a link to what these experiments brought to .. https://news.mail.ru/economics/32350222/?frommail
        =1
      4. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 25 January 2018 18: 48
        +7
        The purpose of the emergency service is to prepare a specialist for a specific WM (or several, as a rule, for the purpose of interchangeability) to create a future mobility reserve. Everything.
        What, nafig replacement alternative?
        We need people prepared for war.
        Divorced ... pacifists.
        To a worker (not just one of the board members?) Of the Kazan Aircraft Plant, from what fright did such an idea come to mind? Free rabsila?
        Or is unemployment eradicated in our country?
        Under capitalism, such questions are suspicious or something.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 25 January 2018 19: 59
          +2
          Quote: Pax tecum
          To a worker (not just one of the board members?) Of the Kazan Aircraft Plant, from what fright did such an idea come to mind? Free rabsila?
          Not free, but it seems that the salary will be lower.
          On the other hand, they would pay normally - people would not run away.
          would .. would ... would ...
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 26 January 2018 06: 27
            +1
            Now only the Minister of Defense was reporting, I agreed on the creation of a practically industrial park. Young specialists, young scientists will be called there. - from article

            Well, how much can you do Manilovism ?! Again, the proposals to reject the Army?
            As for the specialists working in the defense industry after high schools, they already have the so-called “reservation” from service in the Army. This, by the way, was during the USSR, and now it is. I have sons, after the university they worked at such an enterprise, before its "optimization" and reduction of production, and did not serve in the Army. But both are in the mobile reserve, like reserve officers who graduated from the military department at the university.
            Well, what is the next thing to come up with, then "production, scientific companies", now what kind of "military technology parks"? This is what it means that there are no literate, knowledgeable specialists near the President. One can see only "managers" - specialists in all sectors, who know nothing and do not understand.
            “The rotten system looks like,” said the plumber, “I need to change.”
        2. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 26 January 2018 06: 17
          +1
          Without coercion, we won’t succeed. Hoping that GDP will change something is a waste of time !!! How many people make money from the air, sometimes you see such morality. This can only be won by "hot iron" and not a year, not two, but much more.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 25 January 2018 18: 11
      +4
      No, in order to publish the data, which of our government and deputies from the army slanted, so they took up those who are allowed by law.
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  2. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 25 January 2018 17: 46
    13
    Finally, the "nerds" will breathe quietly - no need to mow from the army, no need to save money for the military commissar, not even "ducks" in the hospital - and you don’t even have to carry it. Sit yourself in the warm department of some research institute, kick the air and the girls in the corners of the press - so "service" and pass ....
    good
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 25 January 2018 18: 03
      +1
      "Is it possible to replace the conscription service with work in the field of public defense?"

      What for? It seems that now they are no longer running from the army.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 25 January 2018 20: 00
        +1
        Quote: Reserve officer
        What for? It seems that now they are no longer running from the army.
        As I understand it, this type of postgraduate training will be ...
  3. rruvim
    rruvim 25 January 2018 17: 48
    +5
    He thinks everything ... 16 years in a row."Young specialists, young scientists will be called there." No matter how it relates to Zyuganov, to his "speeches", but the Foreman even went around him. DOES NOT HAVE "Young Specialists" and "Young Scientists"! This is a matter of many years of experience and practice!
    1. Guillon
      Guillon 25 January 2018 19: 14
      +1
      Just as there are no young generals! laughing Always start small! hi
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 25 January 2018 19: 26
        0
        Young generals just happen, here young specialists never!
  4. fa2998
    fa2998 25 January 2018 18: 27
    +5
    Just do not need to divide the conscripts into the first and second, third grade. It is there in Moscow, St. Petersburg of these enterprises a dime a dozen! And others have not only GOZ enterprises, they don’t have anything at all. And there isn’t any in the region. Will some serve (work) at home, while others will go to the neighboring region? Kind of law is all equal, do they need to build barracks in a factory? hi .
    1. avt
      avt 25 January 2018 18: 46
      +3
      Quote: fa2998
      .This is there in Moscow, St. Petersburg of these enterprises a dime a dozen!

      Present your horse throws to the emperors to the kings, because at least during the time they established MTU / MVTU / MSTU in Moscow, but MAI and other MPEI budded from them.
      Quote: fa2998
      . Some will serve (work) at home, while others will go to the neighboring region?

      Horror! And especially gifted exams in the capital and St. Petersburg will pass! On their pitchfork! wassat The practice of exemption from service and obtaining a reserve officer was practiced back in the USSR. What is the point of tearing a young specialist who came from a university from a university for a year from entering a specialty in the same design bureau ??? Yes, he still needs to be trained there for three, or even five years before he starts to work and he will learn something again! On the contrary, it is necessary that after a university a young specialist without the right to leave, as in the USSR, a year, work three years, unless of course he studied for free, in which the state spent money on a specialty on his training and where the state needs it. Then - free. With those who take a loan for education, you need it as in the states - you worked and went even to Antarctica, well, or immediately return the money. The same with those who are ready to sign a contract for work in production with a prerequisite - deferment, or offsetting the service upon delivery to class not lower than 5th category. Moreover, this is the experience of the past Patriotic, qualified specialists must have a reservation and a mobile order for a special period. And this is not some kind
      Quote: fa2998
      there is no need to divide conscripts into first and second, third grade.

      A concrete, state attitude to the personnel, time-tested. But you shouldn’t pull out the recruits for a year, but prepare them in the DOSAAF system for two years at the VUS and do not send them anywhere, namely, according to the VUS-i.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 25 January 2018 18: 58
        +1
        Absolutely agree! good
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 25 January 2018 18: 35
    +4
    just wondering ... did the alternative service rest in the hustle or else afloat?
    1. avt
      avt 25 January 2018 18: 59
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      and alternative service

      Here it is just for the various deviators-Baptists and other Tolstoyans. Has not mastered a university with a military department? Like you don’t want to take up arms? I regretted the grandmother’s military commissar for “sweet”? Shovel in my hands and for heavy, household, obligatory work. It’s also necessary and not shameful, but a socially useful thing, but not for a year, but a little more. Yes, at least in the housing and communal services instead of migrant workers, they will also earn some money.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 25 January 2018 19: 05
        +5
        Quote: avt
        Here it is just for different deviators-Baptists and other Tolstoyans.

        it means that it is possible for these deviators-Baptists and other Tolstoyans, but is it impossible for young specialists, young scientists? recourse even if a little more?
        1. avt
          avt 25 January 2018 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: Masya Masya
          and young professionals, young scientists can not?

          I painted above in the first comment
          Quote: avt
          A concrete, state attitude to the personnel, time-tested. But you shouldn’t pull out the recruits for a year, but prepare them in the DOSAAF system for two years at the VUS and do not send them anywhere, namely, according to the VUS-i.
          and about graduates of universities and about working specialties. Just rewind a little bit up.
          1. Masya masya
            Masya masya 25 January 2018 19: 14
            +4
            so I agree with you completely agree ... You do not understand? love Well, I have such sarcasm, sorry ... repeat
            1. avt
              avt 25 January 2018 19: 22
              +2
              Quote: Masya Masya
              so I agree with you, you ... You don’t understand?

              hi Well, if just a little bully By the way! As I remembered from childhood, adolescence, when, judging by the army panama and boots, the guy had already served, a MSU student worked in our yard as a janitor. There lived a sinful Az then opposite the university. So nothing-so briskly cleaned the snow and waved a broom, and then in the office odnushka provided to him on the ground floor, he taught the Aglitsky movement in a voice-it was audible already on the street at the entrance. So the guy decided the question with the hostel (and even in the USSR, Moscow State University was not a simple university) and an extra income. A lot of youth now take a shovel in his hands? And not because of health, but simply from contempt for physical labor. request
              1. Masya masya
                Masya masya 25 January 2018 19: 30
                +4
                Quote: avt
                A lot of youth now take a shovel in his hands? And not because of health, but simply from contempt for physical labor

                I think that if life presses it, then they will take a shovel, and what’s different, don’t die ... maybe I’m measuring it with an old measure ... at least my daughter hasn’t disappointed yet, and she knows how to dig potatoes on the beds ... love not afraid to mess with pens ...
  6. bald
    bald 25 January 2018 18: 36
    +1
    Well, of course, the replacement of the service, on the state defense order, this is fair and necessary. It is clear not by loaders, or helpers, but promising guys. Well, at the end of the article, it’s noticed, at the expense of the “mowers”, and help, in this “good” case there will be relatives, close friends and even worse for bribes. But that's all, it's time to strictly punish.
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 25 January 2018 18: 47
    +2
    Of course it’s possible. But only by court verdict
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 25 January 2018 19: 01
    +2
    There are so many questions at once. It doesn’t work out that people will be ripped off by conscription, knowing that he needs to work this year for anyone. And what's the point in such an employee then?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 26 January 2018 06: 08
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Here at once so many questions arise.
      Questions arise, first of all, whether the term of fixed-term service will be extended. If the call is initially divided into "front and rear", which is logical in the general defense of the Fatherland, then such a constitutional duty should be placed absolutely on everyone who has reached military age, including girls. During the war, everything is either at the front or for the front, this should be the basis of preparation for the defense of the country. With this approach to the call, you can increase the term of the military service up to 3-4 years, with privileges and bonuses, and working off the army to 4-5 years, with short-term courses in civil defense and general military training. If so, then there will be a sense, this will raise morale and replenish the military budget.
  9. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 25 January 2018 19: 51
    +2
    “Of course, I think we will be able to do this as our plans to increase the number of servicemen, not conscripted, but contract soldiers are realized. In general, you are right.”

    What do they want to completely finish off the defense with their own know-how? Prepare a good specialist - at least three years. And then he "demobilized" and waved manual, and in his place came the same "green" and inexperienced, and start all over again? Who needs this corps de ballet? Interested people should go there, by vocation, who, after they are trained, will faithfully work for the good of the country, and then prepare for themselves a worthy shift. Forcing (and this is precisely forcing - the choice is not rich: if you do not want to join the army - go work it out) will not work. Only normal motivation can achieve something. The defense industry is not the area where such experiments are worth putting
  10. Simon
    Simon 25 January 2018 19: 57
    +1
    After graduation, many young specialists are drafted into the army. Well, why is it bad for young specialists to be called up to the GOZ! It is much better than a competent specialist to pull the strap and run through the trenches. They will bring more benefit in the GOZ if they work with their own head, somewhere in a military enterprise, in addition, he will gain production experience, engineering skills and work experience. And so, after graduation, it is difficult for a young specialist to find work without experience. Something similar was created under Stalin, where scientists and engineers worked, who worked there and created the foundation of military equipment, and we still use it, which gives us progress.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 25 January 2018 20: 38
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      after graduation, it is difficult for a young specialist to find work without experience. Something similar was created under Stalin, where scientists and engineers worked, who worked there and created the foundation.


      before there was a distribution after high school. What was bad practice? Maybe distribution should not be made mandatory, but for those who wish, why not? This is a guarantee of employment - a specialist knows that after graduating from an educational institution, he will not bother, but is guaranteed to get a job. You can, of course, in this (and only in this!) Case, replace the service with work on the profile. But this should not be for yesterday’s school graduates without any education! Who needs them in the military-industrial complex?
  11. Simon
    Simon 25 January 2018 20: 33
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    There are so many questions at once. It doesn’t work out that people will be ripped off by conscription, knowing that he needs to work this year for anyone. And what's the point in such an employee then?

    Well, why the year! Most likely they will be considered as an alternative service, and it is two years old! Or maybe later the young specialist soldiers will like it, so they can stay in the long term. yes
  12. groks
    groks 25 January 2018 20: 43
    0
    But just paying normally is not considered? Well, to return.
  13. Simon
    Simon 25 January 2018 20: 43
    +1
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Simon
    after graduation, it is difficult for a young specialist to find work without experience. Something similar was created under Stalin, where scientists and engineers worked, who worked there and created the foundation.


    before there was a distribution after high school. What was bad practice? Maybe distribution should not be made mandatory, but for those who wish, why not? This is a guarantee of employment - a specialist knows that after graduating from an educational institution, he will not bother, but is guaranteed to get a job. You can, of course, in this (and only in this!) Case, replace the service with work on the profile. But this should not be for yesterday’s school graduates without any education! Who needs them in the military-industrial complex?

    About schoolchildren, they don’t even talk about it, but about graduates of high schools. And let the students serve.
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 January 2018 00: 11
    0
    Yes, you lure salaries and buns to defense enterprises.
    In any case, the young specialist will leave as soon as the question of money arises.
    Mortgage at a lower percentage, compensation for rental housing,
    social compensation. And then you have contests among those who wish you
    have to work. In the meantime, the factories have a good accounting department, economists and personnel officers get well ...