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The first contract for the supply of ten Tu-160М2

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Russian President Vladimir Putin visits Kazan aviation plant them. S.P. Gorbunova. For the head of state, a demonstration flight of the new supersonic strategic missile carrier Tu-160 "Peter Deinekin" was organized under the flight test program.


In the presence of the President of Russia at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ), a contract was signed for the supply of Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Air Force 10 Tu-160М2 bombers worth 160 billion rubles. before 2027. Putin said this, meeting with the plant workers.

The first contract for the supply of ten Tu-160М2


In total, as the Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov stated earlier, the 50 Tu-160М2 will be ordered. Thus, the total cost of the program, taking into account R & D and the cost of upgrading production facilities (this item is 37 billion rubles), may amount to more than 900 billion rubles, and their production will take KAZ until the middle of 30's.

At Tu-160М2, a new information management system will be installed, the advantage of which is the ability to collect, process and output flight information in a single system. Flight-navigation equipment, an on-board communication complex, an automatic on-board control system, an on-board radar station, an electronic countermeasure complex will be updated. The complex of control and management of fuel and centering, engine control system will also be improved.

Thanks to modernization, the efficiency of the Tu-160M will increase by 60%
Photos used:
Marina Lysstsev / TASS
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  1. Grits
    Grits 25 January 2018 16: 09 New
    0
    I did not understand - is it a modernized old plane (I mean a glider), or a newly built one?
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 25 January 2018 16: 13 New
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      Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 25 January 2018 16: 17 New
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        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        If you don’t allocate money for these purposes, then after what time in our country there will be nobody and nobody to take to kindergarten, and there will be no country and kindergartens ...
        And in terms of news, three-time Hurray! This is a momentous event.
        1. cniza
          cniza 25 January 2018 16: 31 New
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          For sure, you don’t have to spare money on such matters, all the more so since the loading of enterprises will become much more, since it is necessary to build from scratch.
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 25 January 2018 17: 21 New
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            Quote: Megatron
            Now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

            No need to soar the brains of others. Thanks God three children in different years gave to kindergarten and school. Not in Moscow. And there have never been problems with this.
            You sing a song that everyone is tired of. There is not a bit of truth in this song, but snot a hundred years in advance.
            The defense industry has always been the engine of progress. A plane like this will give jobs and a peaceful sky above your head. Workers and engineers are working on this aircraft, and not only at the Kazan plant. So, thanks to everyone involved in this matter.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 25 January 2018 18: 56 New
              14
              Who cares, this one is handsome.
            2. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 25 January 2018 22: 52 New
              +2
              The defense industry has always been the engine of progress. A plane like this will give jobs and a peaceful sky above your head. Workers and engineers are working on this aircraft, and not only at the Kazan plant.

              Still passed info to consider an option for civilian use. Although how far it will be economically profitable is still unknown ... hi
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 25 January 2018 19: 28 New
            +4
            So so - forget the words "do not spare money" negative fool . Everything should have accounting and control, so that all sorts of pido mmm “bad people of non-traditional orientation” do not inflate prices and are not hidden in the pockets in Swiss banks of our money with you. good So - it’s very accurate to calculate how much Russia needs and what weapons, its cost, cost and what would be a reasonable margin. good Then "do not spare money". After all, it’s one thing when we do from our “cast iron” and when from a foreign one we bought for gold? Here you need to look very carefully.
          3. dvvv
            dvvv 25 January 2018 23: 04 New
            +3
            The USSR riveted weapons ... I could not load enterprises under the most, I did not spare anything! There was not enough metal! Housing, roads, basic items for life, but so that there was no war they riveted a mountain of rusty iron that did not save ... The Union collapsed, the iron was sold for scrap and the children again without kindergartens! Why does it not occur to anyone that enterprises can be loaded with useful work! Here is Trump, the bourgeois undercut, bent the Saudis and not only them, and they are arming them in arms! But in his own country he wants to become Roosevelt and has proclaimed a program for updating infrastructure on, think about, a trillion dollars! These Tu-160s are expensive and worthless! Money swells up the mountain, as a result, everyone will be cut and no one will attack! A donkey loaded with gold will win again! Enough of those nuclear missiles to make Russia afraid! When will the Russians live? Stop waiting for the war and live in the shacks! Let education be normal and science will be raised, not metal translated!
            1. Yu-81
              Yu-81 25 January 2018 23: 32 New
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              Go whine on another site, here you will not find like-minded people.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 26 January 2018 03: 28 New
                0
                Quote: yu-xnumx
                Go whine on another site, here you will not find like-minded people.

                unfortunately, they will find !!! negative wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
            2. Vkd dvk
              Vkd dvk 26 January 2018 00: 22 New
              +5
              Quote: dvvv
              The USSR riveted weapons ... I could not load enterprises under the most, I did not spare anything! There was not enough metal! Housing, roads, basic items for life, but so that there was no war they riveted a mountain of rusty iron that did not save ... The Union collapsed, the iron was sold for scrap and the children again without kindergartens! Why does it not occur to anyone that enterprises can be loaded with useful work! Here is Trump, the bourgeois undercut, bent the Saudis and not only them, and they are arming them in arms! But in his own country he wants to become Roosevelt and has proclaimed a program for updating infrastructure on, think about, a trillion dollars! These Tu-160s are expensive and worthless! Money swells up the mountain, as a result, everyone will be cut and no one will attack! A donkey loaded with gold will win again! Enough of those nuclear missiles to make Russia afraid! When will the Russians live? Stop waiting for the war and live in the shacks! Let education be normal and science will be raised, not metal translated!

              But that’s why such an abomination lives, and it has the ability to tweet from a pile of crap, into which it plunged because the iron was normal, but rusted. It would not rust, would be a window of socialism. But here is the story, now the toilet of Europe. Apparently, some of those present are missing some rake.
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 26 January 2018 03: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Vkd dvk
                Apparently, some of those present are missing some rake.

                Well, you are kind, running a rake is our favorite national fun, even lazy to give examples. )
                1. Vkd dvk
                  Vkd dvk 26 January 2018 10: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Romulus
                  Quote: Vkd dvk
                  Apparently, some of those present are missing some rake.

                  Well, you are kind, running a rake is our favorite national fun, even lazy to give examples. )

                  Are you personally about yourself? Benefits?
            3. raw174
              raw174 26 January 2018 07: 49 New
              +2
              Quote: dvvv
              Here is Trump, the bourgeois undercut, bent the Saudis and not only them, and they are arming them in arms!

              But then he bent them just with iron, with his army, in which the iron is more than ours!
              Quote: dvvv
              But in his country he wants to become Roosevelt

              He wants, but he can? You know, to promise does not mean to marry ...
              Quote: dvvv
              These Tu-160s are expensive and worthless! Money swells up the mountain, as a result, everyone will be cut and no one will attack!

              And if they don’t swell, I’ll recover, we don’t swell, then perhaps they will attack.
              Quote: dvvv
              and live in the shacks!

              Not you, you don’t live in a shack, you decide something with housing ...
              Quote: dvvv
              Stop waiting for war

              How beee over the past 100 years there were 2 major wars and countless local conflicts ... What generation of our compatriots did not fight? We are Russia, we are always on the defensive, we fight for our own and we will fight, and iron is vital!
        2. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 16: 34 New
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          Wow, again, these scarecrows with omerica and nata, if they want to squeeze harder - they just freeze all the capital and property of our elite, they will immediately surrender the country, no one will even have a chance to utter a hoot, as the USSR did, even one warrior stirs, arrested the traitors- Bialowieza? But nobody will bomb, it’s too dangerous if they didn’t attack in the 90s, and even more so they will not attack. The example with EYN is more than indicative. In the states, hawks scare everyone with a Russian bear, are eager to cut military budgets, and we have a similar picture.
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
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            Well look at Libya. They did not believe in scarecrows. And the daughters there are mostly buried, and not taken to kindergartens / schools. Go there and you will be happy.
            1. Pirogov
              Pirogov 25 January 2018 17: 23 New
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              Quote: Muvka
              Well look at Libya. They did not believe in scarecrows. And the daughters there are mostly buried, and not taken to kindergartens / schools. Go there and you will be happy.

              Hundred % . The promise of the West cannot be trusted. Gaddafi’s example of this is that the defeated Libya, the Anglo-Saxons and the hedgehogs with them will not feel the strength. In Russia, the next day they will be RIPPED.
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 25 January 2018 23: 03 New
            +4
            Quote: Megatron
            Wow, again, these scarecrows with omerica and nata, if they want to squeeze harder - they just freeze all the capital and property of our elite, they will immediately surrender the country, no one will even have a chance to utter a hoot, as the USSR did, even one warrior stirs, arrested the traitors- Bialowieza? But nobody will bomb, it’s too dangerous if they didn’t attack in the 90s, and even more so they will not attack. The example with EYN is more than indicative. In the states, hawks scare everyone with a Russian bear, are eager to cut military budgets, and we have a similar picture.


            Well, you can’t compare the 90s with today! What is the point of attacking a country that destroyed itself ?? And at the head was the “non-sleek” one who called Washington with a report that the USSR was no more and he was glad to be the first to report it! What threat came from us? Only one - uncontrolled chaos in a nuclear power, and everything else was paid - in legs, privatization ... Then, so many countries rose on the Soviet legacy! As soon as Russia began to develop, an external threat to its existence was immediately created. That the first world war, that the Second World War ... just when we were on the rise ...
        3. shurik
          shurik 25 January 2018 20: 37 New
          +3
          If you don’t allocate money for these purposes, then after what time in our country there will be nobody and nobody to take to kindergarten, and there will be no country and kindergartens ...
          Because of this, the USSR collapsed, the main thing was missiles, tanks, etc. , and the needs of the people did not care. How it all ended you, I think, in the know. Missiles, tanks, planes helped us ???
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 25 January 2018 23: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: Shurik
            If you don’t allocate money for these purposes, then after what time in our country there will be nobody and nobody to take to kindergarten, and there will be no country and kindergartens ...
            Because of this, the USSR collapsed, the main thing was missiles, tanks, etc. , and the needs of the people did not care. How it all ended you, I think, in the know. Missiles, tanks, planes helped us ???


            stuck record? upside down everything ... "When you say, the impression is that you are raving!" (with)
            The crisis began under Gorbachev, and in the year 87-88. The conversion has already begun, the destruction of the Warsaw Pact. So the collapse of the USSR is associated with betrayal and the destruction of the political foundation. And further. With the current Internet you can learn a lot, there would be a desire. Here are some things -

            According to the US CIA, the GNP of the USSR in 1989 amounted to $ 2,66 trillion, which amounted to 51% of the same indicator in the United States. If in 1960 the volume of industrial production of the USSR in comparison with the USA was 55%, then after 20 years, in 1980 - already more than 80%. For the period from 1950 to 1981, the GNP of the USSR, according to the same CIA, grew on average by 4,6% per year, while the growth of US GNP for the same period amounted to an average of 3,4% per year. In 1985, the USSR economy accounted for about 20% of world industrial production. The share of Russia in 1913 (according to various sources) from 3% to 5%, the RSFSR in 1985 about 12%, the share of Russia in 2000 -4,4%, in 2013 about 3,2 , 20001%. The most important indicator of the state of industry is the production of bearings. In the year 251, 2014 million units were produced in Russia. In 97, 114 million units and 9,7 million units were imported. The number of engineering workers decreased from 1990 million. in 2,6, up to 2013 million people. in 3,7, i.e. 5278 times. (Sources http://me-forum.ru/media/news/XNUMX/)
            (http://informarket.ru/research/statja_rynok_podw
            ipnikov.pdf)
            (http://www.itkor.ru/marketing/free/2.phtml)

            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 26 January 2018 09: 59 New
              +2
              Added new numbers to the chart
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 26 January 2018 12: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: ism_ek
                Added new numbers to the chart


                could be continued ... I think in the coming years there is little hope for any serious changes in the economy - there are no prerequisites yet. Basically, everything is solved manually - the president arrived, they saved the plant. Where is the government ?? That's what we have good at with banks. For example, the net profit of Sberbank for 2017 amounted to 674 billion, although today it was announced 700. It is supposed to direct 35% to dividend payments, increasing from 25% ... Which will be invested in the development of industry with such revenues ??
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 25 January 2018 23: 27 New
            +2
            And what was wrong with the needs of the people in the USSR? IPhones and jeans were missing or what?
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 25 January 2018 23: 56 New
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              And what was wrong with the needs of the people in the USSR? IPhones and jeans were missing or what?

              The needs of different peoples of the USSR met in different ways.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 26 January 2018 00: 33 New
                0
                Well, to whom and why did not get it?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 26 January 2018 20: 14 New
                  0
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Well, to whom and why did not get it?

                  Russian, a lot of things.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 26 January 2018 20: 37 New
                    0
                    What are you saying? So why didn’t you get it ?: Maybe with medicine you were worse than on the outskirts? Or with education?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 26 January 2018 20: 44 New
                      +2
                      Quote: alexmach
                      So why didn’t you get that?

                      Is it bad with a Russian? All lacked, what is incomprehensible here?
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                      2. alexmach
                        alexmach 26 January 2018 20: 54 New
                        0
                        So didn’t get it or fell off 5% less than they could?
      2. seti
        seti 25 January 2018 16: 21 New
        11
        Horror. Monstrously. Everything is lost.
        For kindergartens, schools, nurseries and other allocate other money and also not small. And with this, every year is getting better. And if you don’t allocate money for re-equipment, then you will be led to kindergarten and then to school.
        Unless of course you are in the EU do not drape. But I hope your experiences are sparking.
        1. Svist
          Svist 25 January 2018 23: 45 New
          +1
          Napoleon’s dictum that has been relevant at all times: "A people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's." So everything is right here. And no matter what anyone in the EU drapanul, it is necessary lovers "easier to travel the world", take the scrotum now! Because, here I have such an idea that before the election, they will fall over the hill, like that. just in case. After all, as I understand it, they have not yet refused citizenship of Russia. And yet. For the theft of funds allocated for defense - not to judge for an economic crime, but for treason. I so fuck ...
      3. Vita vko
        Vita vko 25 January 2018 16: 22 New
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        Quote: Megatron
        Now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        But the dead children in the school of Beslan, Donbass, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, all the same where the money went. But their safety was clearly saved.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 52 New
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          And you read who handed over the children of Beslan, letting the militants into the city, who handed over Yugoslavia, who handed over the Donbass without joining it following the example of the Crimea — signed the infamous “Minsk”, preventing the Militias from taking the mariupol, breaking through and overturning the front. Those who drive the fascist out of the blue are different goods to the authorities, including diesel, with which they refuel their tanks and fire at people. (The trade turnover between the Russian Federation and Svidomo is only growing, read in open sources). Thanks to Minsk ONLY, the territory of the LPR is still not liberated, and people die there every day.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 13 New
            +9
            Quote: Megatron
            And you read who handed over the children of Beslan, letting the militants into the city, who handed over Yugoslavia, who handed over the Donbass without joining it following the example of the Crimea — signed the infamous “Minsk”, preventing the Militias from taking the mariupol, breaking through and overturning the front. Those who drive the fascist out of the blue are different goods to the authorities, including diesel, with which they refuel their tanks and fire at people.

            Well, and who were these "bad" people?
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 25 January 2018 19: 31 New
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            Hear the "breaker", and you yourself were personally in the Donbas during the war? And then from the couch to “win” - a lot of mind is not necessary. First, with your legs, you will cross the Donbass cross country, and after that you will rub us here about “they didn’t let us take”, “knock over the front”, etc.
            Divorced "daughters of officers from the Crimea." negative
        2. shurik
          shurik 25 January 2018 20: 48 New
          +3
          But the dead children in the school of Beslan, Donbass, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iraq
          And how did your powerful army help these children (except Syria)?
      4. KaPToC
        KaPToC 25 January 2018 16: 41 New
        10
        Quote: Megatron
        that's where our money goes

        This is not your money.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 16: 54 New
          +9
          Yes, and whose? Is it not better to pay attention to the field of civil aviation, in which criminal negligence reigns supreme, if not worse.
          Well, they released the Superjet, with more than 90 percent of foreign components, and attention! Now we are trying to negotiate with the Americans, since there are a lot of their details, but sanctions, sir! And without this, you can’t sell a plane abroad.

          The project with the Chinese, everything goes around the exhibitions, there is no progress.

          They write about the revival of IL-96 .... with Rolls-Royce engines ....

          In the meantime, Aeroflot continues to lease Boeing and Airbus .... for dollars, so we live!
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 25 January 2018 17: 18 New
            +5
            Quote: Megatron
            Isn't it better to pay attention to the field of civil aviation

            You yourself answered your question
            Quote: Megatron
            In the meantime, Aeroflot continues to lease Boeing and Airbus ....

            Civil aviation is determined by demand, there is no demand - there is no civil aviation. We must introduce our own technical restrictions for airplanes in order to close our skies for foreign airplanes.

            PySy And yet the money is not yours.
            1. Megatron
              Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 38 New
              +3
              And whose? I am the same citizen and taxpayer.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 17: 42 New
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                Quote: Megatron
                I am the same citizen and taxpayer

                Besides you, there are many more taxpayers. Moreover, not all of them are citizens, and some are not even individuals.
                You’ll probably be surprised belay
              2. figwam
                figwam 25 January 2018 18: 06 New
                +7
                Quote: Megatron
                And whose? I am the same citizen and taxpayer.

                How tired of this cry of the liberals, again there was not enough money.
              3. KaPToC
                KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 08 New
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                Quote: Megatron
                And whose? I am the same citizen and taxpayer.

                "And you do not confuse your personal coat with the state."
              4. Vkd dvk
                Vkd dvk 25 January 2018 21: 55 New
                +4
                Quote: Megatron
                And whose? I am the same citizen and taxpayer.

                You are not a citizen. I had too many penalties, so the WORD you deserve, I will not write. But I mean.
            2. dvvv
              dvvv 25 January 2018 23: 08 New
              0
              close and fence! Beggars do not need anyone! Beggars don't need civil aviation! No money for tickets!
      5. 210ox
        210ox 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
        +5
        What is your problem? There are no places at school? I won’t believe it! There is. But what our children will be taught is the problem ....
        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.
      6. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 25 January 2018 16: 52 New
        +5
        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        Where should they? smile This is all the more interesting because in the information about yourself you wrote:
        Don't fool around, America.
        No offense to whom they say.
        Give me the countryman Alyasochka,
        Give me a darling back!
        With this attitude, they will not only give, but also catch up and add more.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 32 New
          +2
          It is strange to read from your flag. To get started, get-a gang, sort it out yourself, otherwise you are giving us teachings here.
        2. just exp
          just exp 25 January 2018 18: 59 New
          +3
          the owner of the account wrote about America or Alaska, and now he writes from the account the State Depot bot, they steal accounts from popular sites and social networks for automatically wrapping ratings, posts of provocative articles and commenting on the desired angle.
      7. zyzx
        zyzx 25 January 2018 17: 05 New
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        There will be no planes, you will live in the basement, hide from the bombing, and not lead into the kindergarten.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 30 New
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          I see that the local ukrak, there is no reason to understand that the main enemies are not overseas, but in our government offices, that these tanks and planes will not help them. Comments are not encouraging variety and novelty, and already in the agents of the State Department and in the fifth column recorded.

          But a vivid example, oil is now on the rise again, and instead of developing infrastructure, railways, bridges, highways, building new plants, the Ministry of Finance for the money that has appeared is again violently buying foreign currencies and debt obligations of NATO countries, pumping our finances there. Then to lower it all. (The salaries of officials have been growing significantly all this time).
          Here it is customary to blame the liberals, but it is not customary to scold the Tsar. And who holds these liberals in power? Anatoly Borisovich also sleeps calmly, because he has "a lot of money." Yes, one Central Bank is worth, with all that it implies.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 25 January 2018 17: 41 New
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            I see that the local ukrak, there is no reason to understand that the main enemies are not overseas, but in our government offices, that these tanks and planes will not help them. Comments are not encouraging variety and novelty, and already in the agents of the State Department and in the fifth column recorded.


            why your scribble, get out the pan and get the panda get
          2. Mestny
            Mestny 25 January 2018 17: 45 New
            +9
            Hmm. Judging by the terminology, the depth of understanding of what is happening around the processes to “daughters to school” is another 15 years.
            Teen Detected,
          3. KaPToC
            KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Megatron
            But a vivid example, oil is now on the rise again, and instead of developing infrastructure, railways, bridges, highways, and building new plants

            And you suggest where you need a bridge, where to build a plant? Show initiative, hi he hits the initiator
          4. zyzx
            zyzx 25 January 2018 18: 58 New
            +5
            Quote: Megatron
            I see that the local ukrak, there is no reason to understand that the main enemies are not overseas, but in our same government offices


            The main enemies overseas, they want to kill us. And these only rob.
      8. Felix
        Felix 25 January 2018 17: 06 New
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        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        Half of this money is the salaries of the employees of the enterprises that will produce it, another quarter is the cost of materials purchased from subcontractors - and therefore also the salaries of people. So payment for kindergartens, schools and other things. And if this money is simply distributed to people, they will not produce anything other than inflation. And if this trillion is divided by the entire working population of the country, it will turn out once for 14000 each ... Does this amount solve all your problems? So after all, a program for 20 years, that is, 700 rubles a year for a worker ...
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 41 New
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          Half? Heh, the same Kurgan plant, where BMPs are made, is now inundated with orders, including for export. How many people get there? 15-20tr, as far as I remember, this topic has already been raised. And how much do the muzzle from Rosoboronexport and other affiliated intermediaries get?
          1. Felix
            Felix 25 January 2018 19: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Megatron
            Heh, the same Kurgan plant where BMPs are made, is now inundated with orders, including for export. How many people get there?

            You, my friend, consider the terms of financing. No one will immediately pay the entire amount of the contract, there is a contract for 10 years - for 10 years and there will be financing by the shares prescribed in the contract. If you dump the entire amount right away, workers will receive 70000 salaries during the year, and then they will suck their paws for 9 years.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 25 January 2018 23: 43 New
              +1
              Well, salaries are by no means half. In industrial production, the share of salaries is not more than 20% of total costs.
              1. Felix
                Felix 26 January 2018 04: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                Well, salaries are by no means half. In industrial production, the share of salaries is not more than 20% of total costs.

                Of the total costs, maybe. Just consider indirect ones too - the formation of payments to the FIU and the MHIF, which are considered as a percentage of the payroll, labor protection costs - up to 50% of the payroll, and that's how the half of the contract amount
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 26 January 2018 09: 13 New
                  +1
                  Do not run in any way. For example, I know that the share of payroll, together with all fees in the cost structure of Ukrainian metallurgy enterprises, was only 5-7%. Perhaps it is still higher in high-tech aircraft manufacturing, so I took it with a margin of as much as 20%, but in any case, in industrial production, the greatest cost of expenses is usually capital investments in fixed assets, but not salaries. Following fixed assets is usually the purchase of materials and equipment.
        2. St Petrov
          St Petrov 25 January 2018 17: 42 New
          +9
          Half of this money is the salaries of the employees of the enterprises that will produce it, another quarter is the cost of materials purchased from subcontractors - and therefore also the salaries of people. So payment for kindergartens, schools and other things.


          there is trouble with your head - and you are operating with facts and hope to convey something
          1. Felix
            Felix 25 January 2018 19: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: c-Petrov
            Half of this money is the salaries of the employees of the enterprises that will produce it, another quarter is the cost of materials purchased from subcontractors - and therefore also the salaries of people. So payment for kindergartens, schools and other things.

            there is trouble with your head - and you are operating with facts and hope to convey something

            well ... hope for reason still remains ... I am an altruist, unfortunately hi
        3. ism_ek
          ism_ek 25 January 2018 18: 30 New
          +6
          Quote: Felix
          Half of this money is salaries to employees of enterprises,

          Half of the money will be stolen and withdrawn abroad. They also steal in the USA, but at least that money remains inside the country. :(
          1. Felix
            Felix 25 January 2018 19: 30 New
            +5
            Quote: ism_ek
            Quote: Felix
            Half of this money is salaries to employees of enterprises,

            Half of the money will be stolen and withdrawn abroad. They also steal in the USA, but at least that money remains inside the country. :(

            You should contact budget money at least once in your life, then you would tell how much you managed to steal. Kickbacks are possible, but by no means half, and 10% by our standards is a bit much.
      9. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 25 January 2018 17: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Megatron
        that's where our money goes.

        your money went to cellists
        And from day to day, the United States must announce their list.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 25 January 2018 17: 56 New
          +4
          it is funny when a Belarusian makes fun of the Russian Federation and its financial situation.
          From a joke about cellists - Belarusians became richer and a little envy appeared in me

          I hope my government will stop subsidizing pranksters and you will taste all the delights of the independence
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 25 January 2018 18: 10 New
            +6
            the first.
            so laugh at health
            laughter - prolongs life
            and second.
            where did you see the fun
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 25 January 2018 18: 12 New
              +2
              from where our money goes.


              your money went to cellists


              I think that my money went to Belarusians.

              where did you see the fun


              is it empathy?
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 25 January 2018 18: 53 New
                +5
                Quote: s-t Petrov
                is it empathy?

                this is a statement of fact
                but blaming the lack of space in kindergartens, the planes really look like fun
      10. Firework
        Firework 25 January 2018 18: 07 New
        +4
        when I read about billions of rubles I immediately remember about the hidden 5 billions of Grudinin
        1. Don
          Don 25 January 2018 20: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Salute
          when I read about billions of rubles I immediately remember about the hidden 5 billions of Grudinin

          Hidden from whom? From you, from your wife or from the state? This is the money earned for which taxes were paid! You would have better STEALED money like Zakharchenkov and Khoroshavin and Ulyukaev, count. And it is better to conduct searches at the same time at all, including the prime minister and the president. You can generally forget about the problems with the budget deficit for many years. And then he recalls ... propaganda .. he heard a lot on TV fool
        2. Svist
          Svist 26 January 2018 00: 16 New
          +1
          7,5 billion lol Who stole 2 lard?
      11. 11 black
        11 black 25 January 2018 18: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        Do you want the enemy to deliver a nuclear missile strike at kindergartens and schools? God forbid of course, however Si vis pacem, bellum forotherwise, such a future will become probable for us
      12. APASUS
        APASUS 25 January 2018 19: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        Which school do you want to take your child to, what is the level of Libya, Iraq or Ukraine? What do you think you will regret or your child if that. Forgot restructuring
      13. Dart2027
        Dart2027 25 January 2018 19: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Megatron
        that's where our money goes.

        Change the training manual, for 20 years already outdated.
      14. GABALIS
        GABALIS 25 January 2018 19: 35 New
        +2
        that's where our money goes ...

        That’s someone’s father-in-law, I sympathize in advance :)
      15. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk 25 January 2018 20: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Megatron
        Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

        Go to Kazan, work at the aircraft factory. Get the loot. Both you and the state will be enough. What are you eating? No planes are bad. There is the same bad.
    2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 25 January 2018 16: 13 New
      +9
      Almost TRILLION of planes, now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in the kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

      There will be jobs, high-tech production. For an enterprise that was intentionally killed in the 90 years, this is a real chance not to lose competence.
      10 planes, each with 15 billions - more than 15 billions - 160 billions. Until 2027 of the year, the plant is fully loaded ... There is something to do, ”Putin said, referring to the plant’s employees. “I congratulate you all.” This is a serious step in the development of the high-tech sphere and in strengthening the country's defense capabilities. Because it is one of the elements of our nuclear triad in the air. This is a very significant thing. This is generally a different car. Outwardly, everything looks the same, but the engine and flight range, power - everything else. And this, of course, is a great success for this team. ”

      More details on BUSINESS Online: https://www.business-gazeta.ru/news/370627
      Quote: Gritsa
      But isn’t it easier to pull the Tu-144 off the shelf?

      It will be necessary, pulled out.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 25 January 2018 16: 38 New
        10
        We are following the example of the USSR, when we had the best missiles in the world, but with consumer goods it was not very. Believe me, if instead of thousands of tanks we would have made millions of Lada and other things, we would still be living in the Land of Soviets, no one would look wild west. And here again the warp begins.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 25 January 2018 16: 43 New
          11
          Quote: Megatron
          Believe me, if instead of thousands of tanks we would have made millions of Lada and other things, we would still be living in the Land of Soviets, no one would look wild west.

          Do not believe it, Explain this to the Libyans, Serbs, Iraqis, Syrians and so on and so forth.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 25 January 2018 16: 48 New
            +6
            Scarecrows again. Why didn’t this happen in 90?
            Very reminiscent of the famous "let's not rock the boat," or "do you want it to be like in Ukraine?"
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 25 January 2018 17: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Megatron
              Scarecrows again. Why didn’t this happen in 90?

              Yeah, the Libyans were scared, maybe ... shook?
              Quote: Megatron
              Very reminiscent of the famous "let's not rock the boat"

              We are for armored boats, and your fragile canoe really should not be rocked
              Quote: Megatron
              or "do you want it to be like in Ukraine?".

              And so as not to be in Ukraine you need a lot of all sorts of "batons"
              1. Megatron
                Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 35 New
                +4
                Gaddafi - has never been a friend of our country, as many write. He kept the money in Western banks, they were frozen there more than once by the way, he flirted with the custodians very much, financed the same Sarkozy in the elections, well, he leaked it. The same As-Sisi, a much more far-sighted man.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 09 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Megatron
                  Gaddafi - has never been a friend of our country, as many write.

                  I do not say that he was a friend to us, I do not say that we should have defended him. I say that he had a developed social sphere, but there was no developed defense, but the North Koreans did not have a developed social sphere, but there was a developed defense.
            2. 11 black
              11 black 25 January 2018 18: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: Megatron
              Scarecrows again. Why didn’t this happen in 90?

              Because we had and remain one and a half thousand strategic nuclear charges and five thousand tactical nuclear shells. Attacking such a force is pointless.
              Quote: Megatron
              Very reminiscent of the famous "let's not rock the boat," or "do you want it to be like in Ukraine?"

              Do you mean that you want it to be like in Ukraine?
              It’s just what you think, by the way ... and indeed, if you want to convince me of the uselessness of the army, compare the military budgets of Russia and the USA, and try to logically explain to me why the "peace-loving democrats" spend 600 billions of dollars annually on tanks, ships and aircraft laughing
            3. alexmach
              alexmach 25 January 2018 23: 47 New
              +2
              Very reminiscent of the famous "let's not rock the boat," or "do you want it to be like in Ukraine?"


              Do you still think that it would be better if it were like in Ukraine? I assure you, as a citizen of that, well, there’s nothing at all better than it, there’s no oil, but there is a civil war, and the same thing, just a little worse.
              1. Skifotavr
                Skifotavr 26 January 2018 01: 42 New
                0
                Quote: alexmach
                all the same, only a little worse
                Yeah, just a little ... laughing
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 26 January 2018 22: 48 New
                  0
                  Well, in any case, until the recent rapid development of events. In recent years, Ukraine has clearly decided to overtake everyone in self-destruction.
          2. dvvv
            dvvv 25 January 2018 23: 19 New
            +1
            Okay for the Libyans! As you explain, there were orange revolutions and far from everything in these countries was normal! And they didn’t have nuclear weapons like those of Un and, especially, Russia! Have you ever thought of such a concept as unacceptable losses? Those missiles and planes that are already enough that no one wants to attack! But if the ruler survives from the mind, then there will be Gaddafi and then there will be Hussein, and Assad is not an angel. Why are there no such problems as the Libyans in Austria or France? Why did the Chinese understand the economy and are now raising an army and no one has attacked them?
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 26 January 2018 00: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: dvvv
              As you explain, there were orange revolutions and far from everything in these countries was normal!

              Yeah, the color revolutions paid by the USA, the rebels - militants sent by the Americans, and the "peacekeeping" bombing of government forces.
        2. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 25 January 2018 17: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Megatron
          We are following the example of the USSR, when we had the best missiles in the world, but with consumer goods it was not very. Believe me, if instead of thousands of tanks we would have made millions of Lada and other things, we would still be living in the Land of Soviets, no one would look wild west. And here again the warp begins.

          Dumb five-column propaganda in the style of "Voice of America".
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 45 New
            +6
            But your “voice of omerica” sits both in the presidential chair and in the prime minister, and in the parliament through one, because through the other there are fascists. We have a little more selective agents in the power structures.
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 26 January 2018 01: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Megatron
              But your “voice of omerica” sits both in the presidential chair and in the prime minister, and in the parliament through one, because through the other there are fascists. We have a little more selective agents in the power structures.

              And you want to be like ours? smile
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Megatron
          Believe me, if instead of thousands of tanks we would have made millions of Lada and other things, we would still be living in the Land of Soviets, no one would look wild west.

          The USSR was destroyed not by the potential owners of the Lada and other things, but by the corrupt elite of the Land of Soviets. They were "Lada" to the lantern. Then they stellate minke whales unfastened billions for the collapse of the USSR.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 19 New
            +5
            So I ask again, why did the Soviet Army, I think the strongest on the planet at that time, not prevent the collapse of the country? But the generals, instead of arresting the traitors and transferring power into the hands of the military, rushed to sell the property of their units. Why did the traitors from the "pennant" sabotage the decrees of the legitimate authority, and themselves became subordinate to E.B.N.? Because they were the same in the army, one Pasha Mercedes was worth it.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Megatron
              So I ask again, why did the Soviet Army, I think the strongest on the planet at that time, not prevent the collapse of the country? But the generals, instead of arresting the traitors and transferring power into the hands of the military, rushed to sell the property of their units. Why did the traitors from the "pennant" sabotage the decrees of the legitimate authority, and themselves became subordinate to E.B.N.? Because they were the same in the army, one Pasha Mercedes was worth it.

              So you yourself answered. All of whom you have listed are not the simple owners of the Lada, but the generals, the Moscow Region, and the President-EBN. What could a fighter of the same “Vymela” or “Alpha” do if his command was corrupt or unconditionally obeyed orders “from above”.
              1. Megatron
                Megatron 25 January 2018 17: 37 New
                +2
                So no colonel was found, do you have statistics that at least one unit rebelled against the coup in 91, when the USSR was dissolved, refused to carry out criminal orders? I do not have such data.
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Megatron
                  So no colonel was found, do you have statistics that at least one unit rebelled against the coup in 91, when the USSR was dissolved, refused to carry out criminal orders? I do not have such data.

                  Yeah, like in the 17th. An agitator came from the Bolsheviks, handed out leaflets, and forward under the volley of Aurora. In the Soviet army (if you know) discipline was at a high level. The times of the "revolutionary sailors" of the times of VOSR-1917 have sunk into oblivion. "Rebellion in the Soviet Army" is not even funny. You, apparently, did not serve in it. All the colonels had chiefs generals to whom they obeyed.
                  1. Megatron
                    Megatron 25 January 2018 18: 00 New
                    +3
                    Did not serve. But I only have the opportunity to guess what I should think and do, an Officer of the Great Country, when she learns about her collapse by a bunch of traitorous politicians.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 20 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Megatron
                      Did not serve. But only the opportunity I have to guess

                      Also, you can’t guess what misfortune the Russians were in "their" country of the USSR. Such a Russophobic state still needs to be sought.
                      1. Megatron
                        Megatron 25 January 2018 18: 55 New
                        +2
                        Is it better now? Who are all sorts of eurass, vehicles, and so on, opens the borders to guest workers who come here in millions.
                    2. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 25 January 2018 18: 56 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Megatron
                      Did not serve. But I only have the opportunity to guess what I should think and do, an Officer of the Great Country, when she learns about her collapse by a bunch of traitorous politicians.

                      You are a naive person. It is difficult for me to explain to you what you cannot understand from the very beginning. Scattering high phrases and acting in accordance with the charter and the oath are somewhat different things. Believe me, as an officer in the Soviet Army with 25 years of service. Maybe looking from the sofa, you have a different opinion. On the couch, believe me, everything is much easier and easier to solve.
                2. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 25 January 2018 18: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Megatron
                  I do not have such data.

                  Do you see a gopher?
                  And he is !!!!
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        5. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 26 January 2018 10: 54 New
          +4
          Quote: Megatron
          We are following the example of the USSR, when we had the best missiles in the world, but with consumer goods it was not very. Believe me, if instead of thousands of tanks we would have made millions of Lada and other things, we would still be living in the Land of Soviets, no one would look wild west. And here again the warp begins.

          Manilovism.
          You are not the first in such dreams. This is because they did not attend school, did not develop their minds, did not read, did not watch television. We didn’t think, but dreamed.
          Russia NEVER followed the path of France, Belgium, the Netherlands. Another way of Russia is due to history, nature, mentality and much more than others. Take at least the size of the country. Giant territory determines the nature of the people. Size is the most important parameter. Some slowness in decision making. Kindness. Patience. Have you met a huge man with a frenzied, unstoppable character, a fidget? How much trouble would be surrounding this. Nature is wise. Dimensions protect. Ever since the time of dinosaurs, giants defended themselves well from attack by predators. It was impossible to open the mouth so as to bite over the barrel.
          The size of the country brought up a peace-loving person. He has it all. Work. The size of the country caused the greed and envy of others. Did you go to history lessons, or did cigarettes stolen from dad smoked in the toilet at that time?
          Such people, fighting for thousands of years against friends, cannot produce Lada instead of tanks.
          The fact that you do not understand this characterizes you very poorly. You have not learned anything in your life. Therefore, they lived in vain. You are an example of a failed experiment in nature. She does not tolerate emptiness. I haven’t watched it, mother.
    3. AlexKP
      AlexKP 25 January 2018 16: 15 New
      0
      Based on Tu 144, Tu 160 is made. So now, based on Tu 160
      [/ quote] Make adjustments to it - new avionics, new materials, new engines. The plane is ready, flew even [quote]
      and there will be Tu 160M2
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 25 January 2018 16: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: AlexKP
        Based on the Tu 144 made Tu 160.

        What a fright? These are completely different machines. They could just as well say that the Sotka T-4 was developed on the basis of the TU-144 and it doesn’t matter that they are different design bureaus, most importantly they are both supersonic and similar.
    4. pvv113
      pvv113 25 January 2018 16: 16 New
      +4
      These are completely different machines, both in designation and in design and characteristics.
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 January 2018 16: 16 New
      +4
      Video to the news
    6. gfs84
      gfs84 25 January 2018 16: 21 New
      0
      I did not understand - is it a modernized old plane (I mean a glider), or a newly built one?


      The new Tu-160 missile carrier received the name of Peter Deinekin Today, 10:27


      https://topwar.ru/134559-novyy-raketonosec-tu-160
      -poluchil-imya-petra-deynekina.html
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS 25 January 2018 16: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: Gritsa
      I did not understand - is it a modernized old plane (I mean a glider), or a newly built one?

      This glider was gathering dust in the hangar and it was completed and equipped ... that is, Dainekin is still TU-160M1 ... but the contract for the subsequent ones will be TU-160M2. At the same time, they plan to build 9 boards in 10 years, and only 50 in a series. Will the question-series be built in 50 years?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 25 January 2018 17: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        that glider was gathering dust in the hangar and it was completed and equipped ... that is, Dainekin is still TU-160M1 ... but

        The SSI seemed to say that there were three gliders for conservation. hi
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 January 2018 17: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Stroporez
          The SSI seemed to say that there were three gliders for conservation.

          There were two ... there was one ... most likely in the near future and it will be rolled out ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 25 January 2018 17: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            There were two ... there was one ... most likely in the near future and it will be rolled out ...

            It is a pity that the SSI and the Ancient do not appear, now it would be first-hand information. what
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 25 January 2018 17: 37 New
              +4
              Quote: Stroporez
              It is a pity that the SSI and the Ancient do not appear, now it would be first-hand information.

              The fact that they have already signed a contract for the first 10 Swans is wonderful, but I am no less interested in the question of what they proposed to create a civilian version of the TU-160. And apparently, the modernization of the NK-32 to reduce gluttony was the soul of the civil Swan project.
              And from Moscow, let’s say to Vladivostok to get in 3 hours on 2 max, I think many businessmen will agree, and just people with a little more than average income. At the same time, if the civilian version is put into production, then, accordingly, the price of the Cygnus will be reduced faster, that is, optimized.
      2. dauria
        dauria 25 January 2018 17: 22 New
        +1
        . At the same time, over the course of 9 years, 10 boards are planned to be built, and only 50 in the series


        Well, as long as there is money, they build as much. In any case, the decision is correct. The machine was developed with enormous labor and money, it turned out excellent (even too much with seemingly "unnecessary" speed). And while it is not just "at the level", it surpasses what the adversaries have. The idea with the invisible B-2 turned out to be in question - it still will not go into the air defense zone. So, most likely, it can become a “long-liver” - so far you will not see wonderful innovations in engines, missiles, and locators. Artificial brains, however, can change something. So making a series is a better solution than picking your nose. Moreover, the most difficult part has already been done during the USSR.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 25 January 2018 17: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          Well, as long as there is money, they build as much.

          And that’s right ... 10 is better than nothing at all ... you can’t argue.
          Quote: dauria
          So most likely it can become a “long-liver” - while wonderful innovations in engines,

          Nuuu ... let’s see what our kulibins are fighting with new dvigunami ..
          Quote: dauria
          locators not to see.

          And here you are mistaken. On the way ROFAR and a very unpleasant surprise to the adversary with the so-promoted stealth of their bombers and fighters.
          Quote: dauria
          So making a series is a better solution than picking your nose.

          Better not tell.
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 25 January 2018 17: 51 New
            +6
            Andrey, good evening, if it doesn’t complicate, answer the question: where is such confidence about ROFAR? Do you mention in each aviation article about him and about the term -2019, do you specifically know or from the articles? It’s just that we don’t have a single one !!! even with AFAR in the series, su57 and mig35 are only planned (and mig35 is possible in the homeless version, there is information), and the application about a completely new type is not believed somehow. I will be grateful for the reliable information.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 25 January 2018 18: 02 New
              +2
              Quote: Rushnairfors
              Andrey, good evening, if it doesn’t complicate, answer the question: where is such confidence about ROFAR?

              Good evening Dmitry hi
              I’m studying this topic if sclerosis doesn’t change me since I was 14 ... I confess at first I thought it was something from the RUSNANO theme and the red thief, but ... then, as I studied and followed the info that pops up from time on the Internet, it came to the understanding that our developers do not really joke and really develop ROFAR.
              In that year, Mikheev spoke in my opinion and explained that the first stage of the ROFAR bench test was completed (there will be 5 stages). And he transparently explained that in the series ROFAR will appear in 19-20.
              At the same time, I consider everything to be logical ... we are not chasing stealth, but we are building the SU-35, MIG-35, SU-30 practically without using stealth technologies, but at the same time we’ll strongly run into their arsenal. And the story with the same Beetle, about its delay in creation, would not be surprised if the reason is precisely in the development of a serial ROFAR ...
              I do not pretend to be the last resort ... if you are interested, try to read about it on Internet resources. I expressed my opinion, which I think is right.
              By the way, on KRET’s website about ROFAR everything is accessible explained.
              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 25 January 2018 19: 24 New
                +3
                Thank you, let's hope ... Just for a year now we’ve been removing the “noodles” from our ears, from our Commanders (Khvorov, Androsov, Zhikharev, thank you at least Kobylash doesn’t go over the ears), and from the industrialists with KAPO, and from PJSC Tupolev , All the super-duper promise, but the output is so easy to upgrade. But let's not talk about the bad.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 25 January 2018 19: 28 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Rushnairfors
                  Thank you, let's hope ... Just for a year now we’ve been removing the “noodles” from our ears, from our Commanders (Khvorov, Androsov, Zhikharev, thank you at least Kobylash doesn’t go over the ears), and from the industrialists with KAPO, and from PJSC Tupolev , All the super-duper promise, but the output is so easy to upgrade. But let's not talk about the bad.

                  To be honest, today I almost fell off my chair, having read about the conclusion of a contract for 10 Swans and the possible release of a civilian version of them ... I checked the calendar, like not April 1 ... and I realized that all the same in modern Russia there is a concept of secrecy.
                  And as for ROFAR, I myself can’t wait to hear what the experts will say afterwards, so emphatically saying that US fighters and bombers are the most invisible in the universe.
              2. NN52
                NN52 25 January 2018 22: 23 New
                +9
                NEXUS

                Rumors go ... the theme of the series is shifting a little to the right ... for a couple of years ///
    8. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Gritsa
      I did not understand - is it a modernized old plane (I mean a glider), or a newly built one?

      This is the one that is assembled from the remnants of the backlog of components from the Soviet era. Next, you will need to stamp everything again.
    9. smart ass
      smart ass 25 January 2018 17: 30 New
      0
      Still in this plane "zircon" to stick prices would not be
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 25 January 2018 18: 07 New
        0
        Why are there 3M14 missiles? You can even stick them on a Mi 26 cargo helicopter and let them fly in the air.
    10. LMN
      LMN 25 January 2018 17: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Gritsa
      I did not understand - is it a modernized old plane (I mean a glider), or a newly built one?


      "Old." Some of them are being deeply modernized, those who are now in the service. Some will be assembled from scratch, but according to the "old" patterns.
    11. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 25 January 2018 19: 21 New
      0
      Upgraded, from factory preservation
    12. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 25 January 2018 20: 40 New
      +1
      This is new. 2 cars were at the Kazan plant after the collapse. Let's just say that from the remaining parts we assembled a new aircraft with modern equipment.
    13. Svist
      Svist 25 January 2018 23: 02 New
      +1
      Somewhere infa that the case was stored at the factory. Factory workers saved, did not give a cut after the closure of the project. That’s how it is. They have difficulty welding titanium sheets. Technology is lost, old frames are gone. Now restoring technology.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 23: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Svist
        They have difficulty welding titanium sheets. Technology is lost, old frames are gone. Now restoring technology

        It’s called - you heard whistling ringing, but don’t know where he is.
        In fact, everything is just like in that joke: not into billiards, but into a fool ... and did not win, but lost.
        Difficulties were with the welding of the center section beam (really, titanium. The red arrow on the picture shows it).

        The difficulties ... have been overcome already.
        Quote: Svist
        Somewhere flashed infa

        You are more careful ... with "flashing info" laughing
        1. Svist
          Svist 25 January 2018 23: 55 New
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          The difficulties ... have been overcome already.

          So that's great. But tell methose , without malice is possible?
          and as far as more careful - from an open source of infa, I do not have access to classified information. laughing
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 23: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Svist
            But tell me, is it possible without malice?

            Yes easily yes
            Quote: Svist
            from an open source of infa, I do not have access to closed information

            Yes, it's not about that ... I just try to "Old" ... filter and check.
            The publication of an unverified "information" ... not kosher, IMHO.
    14. alexmach
      alexmach 25 January 2018 23: 20 New
      0
      New, but from the Soviet backlog - The supporting structures of the fuselage have been standing there since the 90s
    15. shurik-063
      shurik-063 26 January 2018 08: 34 New
      0
      On board the aircraft is written "Russian Air Force." so this is an old glider with a new filling
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 26 January 2018 21: 33 New
        0
        m .. I do not understand how the first sentence of your post is related to the second.
        Can’t you write this on a new glider? And on an old glider with an old stuffing?
  2. rruvim
    rruvim 25 January 2018 16: 10 New
    +1
    Are these brand new cars? Or are they upgrading old ones? Something before the election, the Brigadier makes many promises.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 25 January 2018 16: 19 New
      +3
      Brand new! They restored production for two years.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 25 January 2018 16: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Brand new!

        Well, it touched something on this board even when EBN did. He just stood and waited in the wings. There is one more left, then we will have to build from scratch.
      2. rruvim
        rruvim 25 January 2018 16: 50 New
        +3
        The first 10 are definitely not new. Either from the "backlog", or the modernization of the drill. The remaining 40-k - fake for the election. I’ll survive until the 30s, but I won’t see forty for sure.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 25 January 2018 16: 57 New
          +3
          There were two buildings at the plant at EBN. What fake for the election? Putin absolutely does not need to promote and feak something.
          1. rruvim
            rruvim 25 January 2018 16: 58 New
            0
            But it's about ten ...
            1. just exp
              just exp 25 January 2018 19: 15 New
              +4
              do not believe it, but planes can be built from scratch.
          2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 25 January 2018 17: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Sith Lord
            There were two buildings at the plant at EBN. What fake for the election? Putin absolutely does not need to promote and feak something.

            So 4 was hurt at the beginning of the 2000 years. Three have already gathered under Putin, the last left.
          3. sabotage
            sabotage 25 January 2018 22: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Sith Lord
            Putin absolutely does not need to promote and feak something.


            Elections, elections, candidates ...
        2. You Vlad
          You Vlad 25 January 2018 18: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: rruvim
          The first 10 are definitely not new. Either from the "backlog", or the modernization of the drill. The remaining 40-k - fake for the election.

          This is not a fake, as you put it, but the consequences laughing The consequences of the money invested in restoring production, as far as I know there, the main problem was the welding of the main central beam of titanium.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 January 2018 18: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Brand new! They restored production for two years.

        I would not call them ABSOLUTELY NEW if the whole glider is an old backlog.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 25 January 2018 16: 11 New
    +5
    first go! (I'm talking about the contract). this is obtained by one strategist per year. not bad, based on realities.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
      +1
      that is, we’ll build 50 by the year 2070? repeat
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 25 January 2018 17: 51 New
        0
        I don’t think so. This is the first contract after the recreation of production. more fun.
      2. just exp
        just exp 25 January 2018 19: 15 New
        0
        in the article they write that 50 pieces will be until the mid 30s.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 25 January 2018 22: 11 New
          0
          They will have to build this 4 aircraft every year. They will have to increase production facilities.
          1. just exp
            just exp 25 January 2018 22: 48 New
            0
            so it seems like work on the production line is being carried out. to them at the modern factory the emnip of 37 lard rubles was given.
          2. Don
            Don 26 January 2018 11: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            They will have to build this 4 aircraft every year. They will have to increase production facilities.

            They have a slightly different math. 10 new will be built from scratch to 2027 of the year, and 15 is also included in the YES, which will undergo modernization. It remains to build 25 boards. Personally, I think that everyone will not build. They say they say that 35-40 aircraft will be enough to complete the tasks. At the same time, in the 30-s they will begin the construction of PACDA, if finances permit
  4. RASKAT
    RASKAT 25 January 2018 16: 14 New
    +2
    Well, if I’m not mistaken, all the stocks of the fuselages and wings of the old stocks ended on the M1 modification, now brand new components will go. With a large percentage of composites, which means visibility and mass will increase, hence the range with efficiency. No wonder that 40 billion was allocated to the plant for modernization.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: RASKAT
      With a large percentage of composites, which means visibility and mass will increase,

      Enlighten, please, are the composites heavier and more noticeable than duralumin?
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 25 January 2018 18: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Piramidon
        Are composites heavier and more noticeable than duralumin?

        Composites: more expensive, more inconspicuous, lighter, stronger repeat
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 January 2018 19: 32 New
          0
          Quote: You Vlad
          Composites: more expensive, more inconspicuous, lighter, stronger

          So I also asked the question "RASKAT", which says the opposite.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 25 January 2018 19: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            So I also asked the question "RASKAT"

            This person’s main phrase for which he wrote it sounds like this
            Quote: RASKAT
            No wonder the plant allocated 40 billion for modernization.

            That is, the money is mastered (stolen) yes Airplane worsened wink Well this is between the lines.
        2. RASKAT
          RASKAT 25 January 2018 22: 02 New
          +2
          Composites: more expensive
          There the floor of the plane from Titan, composites will be clearly cheaper.
      2. just exp
        just exp 25 January 2018 19: 16 New
        0
        I think a person was mistaken, composites are easier and more inconspicuous.
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 26 January 2018 16: 53 New
          0
          Of course it’s easier and less reflect, I was mistaken. I apologize. what
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 25 January 2018 22: 20 New
      0
      composites do not get along well with aerodynamic heating
      too lazy to consider (according to the speed of the plane from the wiki), but I think there is heating and I doubt that there will be composites
      1. RASKAT
        RASKAT 26 January 2018 17: 06 New
        0
        Well, it is not necessary to stick composites into heating elements, (Edges, keel, stabilizers, etc.). Inside the aircraft, there will probably be something that can be replaced with a duralumin composite. One side member floor wagon.
  5. tchoni
    tchoni 25 January 2018 16: 18 New
    +4
    What is nice to note, a car of this class for quite modest money.
    1. Warrior-80
      Warrior-80 25 January 2018 16: 30 New
      +1
      Given that the United States has their distant stealth trough one costs 130 billion rubles, then our beauties for 160 for a dozen, very cheap
      1. just exp
        just exp 25 January 2018 19: 17 New
        0
        Well, not 130, but under 60, B2 costs 1 lard of non-rubles.
        but the price tag of 900 lard rubles for 50 boards is also generally not small.
        I think they still find a way to reduce the cost.
        maybe 900 lard and it's a duck in general.
        1. just exp
          just exp 25 January 2018 19: 53 New
          0
          Long-range aviation will receive 10 Tu-160M2 for 160 billion rubles
          In the presence of Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Kazan Aircraft Plant (KAZ), a contract was signed for the supply of long-range aviation of the Russian Air Force 10 Tu-160M2 bombers in the amount of 160 billion rubles. until 2027. He stated this when meeting with workers at the plant.
          https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2018
          /01/25/748964-tu-160m2

          that is, 16 lard apiece.
          1. NKT
            NKT 25 January 2018 21: 15 New
            0
            It turns out 2 Tu-160 = 1 Ash = 0.5 Borea
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 19 New
      0
      Quote: tchoni
      What is nice to note, a car of this class for quite modest money.

      Ours are sawed with a jigsaw, and the Yankees with a chainsaw.
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 25 January 2018 16: 22 New
    +2
    It was always interesting: what if you put a powerful radar for the front hemisphere survey on that 160 (modern technology and the midship of the aircraft and its payload allow you to mount a real monster) and two to three dozen ultra-long-range missiles. Will it turn out to be a means of nerve-wracking of various kinds to aircraft carrier teams? Or just a long-range escort fighter?
    1. Berber
      Berber 25 January 2018 16: 34 New
      0
      As far as I am aware. For this, Tu 22 is.
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 25 January 2018 17: 18 New
        +3
        You are very poorly informed, Tu22m3 and V-V class missiles, two incompatible things.
        1. Berber
          Berber 26 January 2018 09: 18 New
          0
          I'm not talking about explosives, but about nerve-wracking aircraft carriers.
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 26 January 2018 15: 20 New
            +3
            Sorry, I do not understand, then I agree with you
    2. Beby
      Beby 26 January 2018 12: 49 New
      0
      If you believe http://testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/160/160_m.htm, then:
      Tu-160P - on the basis of Tu-160, a heavy Tu-160P escort fighter was developed, armed with long-range and medium-range air-to-air missiles.
      Tu-160PP - electronic warfare aircraft (EW). In the mid-80s, the appearance and composition of the on-board equipment of promising jamming aircraft Tu-22MP and Tu-160PP were determined.
      Work on the Tu-160PP aircraft was brought to the stage of manufacturing a full-scale model.
  7. Alexy
    Alexy 25 January 2018 16: 37 New
    0
    Excellent.
    And the army is growing stronger and production is being updated.
    And all this in spite of adversaries and various neighbors
  8. mole
    mole 25 January 2018 16: 41 New
    +1
    I heard that in the 90s they wanted to finish the production of bureaucrats in Moscow. Type "do not fight with anyone." Shaimiev equipped the negotiator, who was able to agree before the conservation of the key part of the equipment, like even giving a bribe. As it really was, we can find out.
    I saw this "bird" in flight! Breathtaking! Beauties! Pride! Delight!
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 January 2018 16: 53 New
      +2
      Everyone saw it. Before "show off" at the parade, she (it) flew over Lublin ... I even got a fly in my mouth when I stood with my mouth open ... fellow
      1. mole
        mole 25 January 2018 16: 58 New
        0
        Quote: rruvim
        Everyone saw it.

        In Moscow or the region, maybe. But in the Urals, hardly!
        Quote: rruvim
        I even got a fly in my mouth when I stood with my mouth open ...

        By the way, even my wife joked about me then! smile
  9. groks
    groks 25 January 2018 17: 03 New
    +1
    I don’t understand anything. Is it new ten or will existing ones be modernized? Like new ones. But by the year 27, should they seem to be flying with might and main YES? If not, then why bother with this program? Nonsense.
    900 billion not for airplanes. This is a factory upgrade. Can it be cheaper to build a new one? For that kind of money.
    From the listed delicacies of M2, KAZ itself will probably participate actively in the last two paragraphs. Participate, not do it all. So what are they going to update and R&D?
    I would like to hope that this is so clumsily presented in the article, but the reality is usually harsh - most likely the election blah blah + drank.
  10. Piramidon
    Piramidon 25 January 2018 17: 32 New
    0
    A contract is paper. How it will look in metal - we'll see. I really hope for the restoration of Soviet-era production, when we flew to the Kuibyshev plant three times a year to take on new Tu-95RTS aircraft. (although dreaming is not harmful wink)
  11. LMN
    LMN 25 January 2018 17: 58 New
    +3
    I read the comments, and a small question arose. What is considered "new"? what
    "New", which has not made a flight yet, or "new", developed from scratch? (Like Almaty or PAK)
    Judging by the fact that he remained TU 160, most likely he is not "new", but modernized smile
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 25 January 2018 18: 10 New
      0
      It is built from a glider which stood at the factory from the 90s.
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 January 2018 18: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        It is built from a glider which stood at the factory from the 90s.


        Yes. This is true. But part will be collected from scratch. In other words, it is about the resumption of production, and not about the "new model."

        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Brand new! They restored production for two years.
        1. 9PA
          9PA 25 January 2018 19: 05 New
          0
          priced the most expensive in the world?
          1. LMN
            LMN 25 January 2018 19: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: 9PA
            priced the most expensive in the world?


            The same f 22 cost much more ..
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 January 2018 22: 07 New
            0
            One new NK 32 engine costs one and a half billion rubles.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 26 January 2018 00: 08 New
          0
          Well, there the formula was like - Fuselage - old and unchanged, Engines - modernized, avionics - new. In fact, yes - modernization. New because newly-built, now there are only 16 of them in the ranks, and it is not yet known how many of them are actually capable of ascending into the sky.
  12. Kathernik
    Kathernik 25 January 2018 19: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir16
    Quote: Megatron
    Now I’m writing my daughter in first grade, the real problem, and the youngest soon in kindergarten, even worse, that's where our money goes.

    No need to soar the brains of others. Thanks God three children in different years gave to kindergarten and school. Not in Moscow. And there have never been problems with this.
    You sing a song that everyone is tired of. There is not a bit of truth in this song, but snot a hundred years in advance.
    The defense industry has always been the engine of progress. A plane like this will give jobs and a peaceful sky above your head. Workers and engineers are working on this aircraft, and not only at the Kazan plant. So, thanks to everyone involved in this matter.

    Pick up your snot. The army and the defense industry are a nest of corruption. You stole all your life there and ate soldiers. And then kindergartens, no problem. There are problems (for those who do not steal).
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 25 January 2018 19: 46 New
      0
      Well, even if the army and the defense industry are a nest of corruption, what's wrong with that? But are banks, law firms, notaries not a nest? Tax, police, traffic police, ministries and departments? For example, the Ministry of Forestry of the Orenburg Region? I personally know the Minister of Forestry of the Republic of Dagestan. He has 300 officials subordinate. Is funny I don’t. I also know the Minister of Forestry of the Republic of Kalmykia. He has only 200 subordinates. Only there are no forests ...
  13. corporal
    corporal 25 January 2018 19: 49 New
    0
    10 Tu-160M2 bombers ..... up to 2027 g

    One per year?
    It is not even funny.
  14. 9PA
    9PA 25 January 2018 19: 57 New
    0
    Quote: LMN
    Quote: 9PA
    priced the most expensive in the world?


    The same f 22 cost much more ..

    how much did it cost
    1. 9PA
      9PA 25 January 2018 20: 00 New
      +1
      not sickly at 280 million dollars apiece
      1. LMN
        LMN 25 January 2018 21: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: 9PA
        Quote: LMN
        Quote: 9PA
        priced the most expensive in the world?


        The same f 22 cost much more ..

        how much did it cost


        Good question)) in the network, the variation in prices is significant. Well, let's take the "minimum", which I found is "150" million dollars.
        Let Tu 160 worth 250 million.

        But how much F 22 was produced and how many Tu 160?)

        IMHO, Tu 160, this is part of our nuclear triad and it will be fairly compared with the cost of our nuclear submarine missile carrier, and not with a serial fighter.
        1. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 25 January 2018 22: 22 New
          +1
          That's right, the cost is 2 billion dollars or 2 billion! rubles.
          v1v is only 2 times cheaper. And this is the cost in the prices of the 80s. This is not a fighter !!! soldier
      2. just exp
        just exp 25 January 2018 22: 47 New
        +2
        The F-22 was 450 million apiece at first.
        1. LMN
          LMN 25 January 2018 23: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: just EXPL
          The F-22 was 450 million apiece at first.

          2010 data?

          But even if we take the minimum cost, the damage that the f-22 and tu-160 can potentially cause is simply not comparable ..

          And in this regard, f-22 is much more expensive than the Tu-160
        2. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 25 January 2018 23: 49 New
          0
          What do you compare a fighter and a strategic bomber capable of carrying nuclear weapons with a capacity of up to 3 megatons !!! 12 missiles with a range of 5,5 thousand km and a capacity of 250 kilotons each. One volley is enough to evaporate a medium-sized country. yes
          1. LMN
            LMN 26 January 2018 00: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: 1c-inform-city
            What do you compare a fighter and a strategic bomber capable of carrying nuclear weapons with a capacity of up to 3 megatons !!! 12 missiles with a range of 5,5 thousand km and a capacity of 250 kilotons each. One volley is enough to evaporate a medium-sized country. yes


            Agree wink
            It is cheaper than nuclear boats)
  15. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 25 January 2018 21: 05 New
    +2
    Quote: Shurik
    If you don’t allocate money for these purposes, then after what time in our country there will be nobody and nobody to take to kindergarten, and there will be no country and kindergartens ...
    Because of this, the USSR collapsed, the main thing was missiles, tanks, etc. , and the needs of the people did not care. How it all ended you, I think, in the know. Missiles, tanks, planes helped us ???

    And what ended the rule of the liberals? A record drop in Russia's population? That's where the genocide is. You look how the people treat these damn liberals ... he shies away from them and hates. So drop me noodles here to hang that in the 90s everyone was preoccupied with the well-being of the people.
  16. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 25 January 2018 22: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Shurik
    If you don’t allocate money for these purposes, then after what time in our country there will be nobody and nobody to take to kindergarten, and there will be no country and kindergartens ...
    Because of this, the USSR collapsed, the main thing was missiles, tanks, etc. , and the needs of the people did not care. How it all ended you, I think, in the know. Missiles, tanks, planes helped us ???

    Well, yes, in the 90s everyone spat on the army and its equipment, and there came general happiness and prosperity, and about the people, well, we all thought about it right away. And some daughters went in orderly lines to Tverskaya and Turkish brothels. And sons in gay clubs and in churchyards with a jamb in their teeth. But to produce weapons, no, no. Money of all, well, just failed.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 26 January 2018 13: 13 New
      0
      Reading the comments on such articles, one gets the impression that so many commentators confused VO with ekhommoskvy or the channel’s website rain. Again they started whining about the fact that a lot of money was going to the defense industry.
  17. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 January 2018 06: 10 New
    +2
    Hello! "I will be a gunner-radio operator, and in my soul a pilot! I will fly with a whistle back to front!"
  18. Felix99
    Felix99 26 January 2018 14: 45 New
    0
    Quote: dvvv
    The USSR riveted weapons ... I could not load enterprises under the most, I did not spare anything! There was not enough metal! Housing, roads, basic items for life, but so that there was no war they riveted a mountain of rusty iron that did not save ... The Union collapsed, the iron was sold for scrap and the children again without kindergartens! Why does it not occur to anyone that enterprises can be loaded with useful work! Here is Trump, the bourgeois undercut, bent the Saudis and not only them, and they are arming them in arms! But in his own country he wants to become Roosevelt and has proclaimed a program for updating infrastructure on, think about, a trillion dollars! These Tu-160s are expensive and worthless! Money swells up the mountain, as a result, everyone will be cut and no one will attack! A donkey loaded with gold will win again! Enough of those nuclear missiles to make Russia afraid! When will the Russians live? Stop waiting for the war and live in the shacks! Let education be normal and science will be raised, not metal translated!

    For example, Moldova blooms and flourishes without a military-industrial complex, the Russians go to Moldova to build castles in the suburbs of Chisinau.
    1. Sergey74
      Sergey74 26 January 2018 15: 30 New
      0
      Do you understand what you just wrote? Bredyatina ....
  19. KaPToC
    KaPToC 26 January 2018 21: 06 New
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    So didn’t get it or fell off 5% less than they could?

    Not by five percent, but by a third, which is a lot. And I’ll notice your one family contained three Russians, so that your family could live well.
    Py Sy Do not like moderators such arithmetic.
  20. BOPOH50
    BOPOH50 28 January 2018 17: 12 New
    0
    Many comments write that because of the construction of military equipment there is not enough money for social development, but this is a completely different budget item. To improve welfare in the country, it is necessary to create jobs, and in terms of ec. sanctions go further, refuse to import goods into the country, but here the government and the budget do nothing, alas, this should be done by our oligarchs, businessmen and other, other, other. It is very difficult to make the moneybags spend for the future, Peter 1 was still easier make the boyars build and trade, build ships and make donations (he gave them a tooth, hit him with a stick on the back, sent him into exile with the whole family). There’s a bike about Khoja Nasreddin: Drowning bye in the canal, everyone running around arms out and say, Give me your hand , give a hand, and he seems to be inaudible, continues to flounder. Khoja comes up and says: Who saves the bay, extends his hand and says, “On hand, on.”