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Andrei Fursov: Stalin is the idol of the Russians, even though the authorities want the opposite

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Andrei Fursov: Stalin is the idol of the Russians, even though the authorities want the opposite



Russians called VTsIOM idols 20 century. The top five were: Yuri Gagarin (44%), Vladimir Vysotsky (28%), Georgy Zhukov (27%), Joseph Stalin (22%), Alexander Solzhenitsyn (14%). At the same time, the list does not include Yeltsin or, for example, Nicholas II, whom they have been trying hard to impose in recent years. There is Gorbachev, but he is somewhere at the end at the level of statistical error. It is also important to note that Stalin’s popularity increases (from 14% in 1999 rises to 22% in 2018 g.), And Solzhenitsyn - falls (it was 16%, it became 14%).

It is difficult to say whether this is natural or not, but the presence of Solzhenitsyn alongside Gagarin and Stalin is, of course, surprising. The fact is that Solzhenitsyn is a mediocre writer; I’m not even talking about the fact that he did a lot to destroy the country called the Soviet Union. Stalin was engaged in opposite things. Gagarin - too. Therefore, it is very strange that this person was on the list.

However, why did these names go to the TOP-5 together? The easiest answer is maybe people have a mess in their heads, or maybe there are some other reasons, because these are all "mixed" people. Stalin is one level. Gagarin is another level. Vysotsky is a mass culture. In addition to Vysotsky, in the 20 century, we had a lot of cultural workers who were much more worthy — this was Sholokhov and Gorky. So these are some very strange results for me. I think they are inspired by the media, because people cling to what is more often mentioned in the media. And if we apply elementary logic to this list, then Solzhenitsyn should certainly fly out of it.

But Stalin's “wipe out” is no longer possible, because when I was on television, the project “The Name of Russia” everyone knows that Stalin won the first place, he was shyly replaced at the last moment by Alexander Nevsky. The fact of the matter is that the government cannot obscure Stalin. And a recent survey showed that from a cohort of 18-24 people over the years more than 70% have a positive attitude towards Stalin. Also, a recent survey of young people - whom they would support in the 1917 year, and then in the civil war of “whites” or “red ones” - revealed that more than 90% supported the “red ones”. So here the power can do little.

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  1. Amurets
    Amurets 25 January 2018 05: 54 New
    56
    Stalin’s "erasing" is no longer possible, because when the project "Name of Russia" was on television, everyone knows that Stalin took the first place, at the last moment he was bashfully replaced by Alexander Nevsky. The fact of the matter is that power cannot obscure Stalin. And a recent survey showed that out of a cohort of people aged 18-24, more than 70% are positive about Stalin.
    What are you hotels? So that the people support those who ruined the USSR? And it is high time for Volgograd to return the name of Stalin- Stalingrad. This is a symbol of the staunchness of Russia, Great Russia, which united, not enslaved, peoples. That is the meaning of the name of Stalin that he tried to restore Great Russia, and not to waste money on investments, as is done now.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 25 January 2018 06: 41 New
      20
      And by the way, the GDP can "painlessly" PR famously on a new wave .. "patriotism" (Crimea has somehow "forgotten" - "become boring"), renaming Volgograd to Salingrad. Here is the "rating" then "trample" then wink
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 January 2018 06: 55 New
        10
        Quote: Fursov
        at the last moment he was bashfully replaced by Alexander Nevsky.
        Fursov is clearly lying - at Alexander Nevsky there was a clear advantage.
        It is necessary to hold a referendum, the very first name of a city on the Volga may take place - Tsaritsyn.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 January 2018 09: 17 New
          51
          Quote: dsk
          Fursov is clearly lying - Alexander Nevsky had a clear advantage.

          Nonsense! You can vote directly in the VO and you will see that even ardent Zaputinists will vote for Stalin and Joseph Vissarionovich will win by a huge margin.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 16 New
            +3
            What for.
            And so it is clear that ardent Zagrudinites will also vote for him.
            He is not, and will never be unfortunately again. So you can vote from head to toe.
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
              +9
              Unfortunately, he will not, but only an individual like Stalin can clear the current “Augean stables”.
              And yet, at first, Stalin was the leader in the polls, then they took a break and only after him did Nevsky take the first place. I have nothing against Nevsky, but fact is a fact. Voting temporarily ceased precisely when Stalin was in the lead.
          2. ARES623
            ARES623 25 January 2018 21: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            You can vote directly in the VO and you will see that even ardent Zaputinists will vote for Stalin and Joseph Vissarionovich will win by a huge margin.

            Remember the counter on VO before the Duma elections. Relate to the actual result of the vote. The public at VO is very different from the average Russian electorate in its preferences ...
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 26 January 2018 23: 30 New
              0
              Quote: ARES623

              Remember the counter on VO before the Duma elections. Relate to the actual result of the vote. The public at VO is very different from the average Russian electorate in its preferences ...

              Yes, it usually happens that the Russian public is very often very different from the average Russian electorate shown in polls or in the media.
          3. My doctor
            My doctor 28 January 2018 14: 50 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Nonsense! You can vote directly in the VO and you will see that even ardent Zaputinists will vote for Stalin and Joseph Vissarionovich will win by a huge margin.

            The fact is that a somewhat peculiar contingent gathered at VO, to say the least.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 25 January 2018 09: 56 New
          31
          Quote: dsk
          It is necessary to hold a referendum, the very first name of a city on the Volga - Tsaritsyn, may also be held.

          Do not forget to give historical facts before this. I.V. Stalin "turned" the sabotage suppliers of flour and bread (including Trotsky's dad) and saved the inhabitants of Tsaritsyn from starvation. It was then that the RESIDENTS themselves submitted their decision to rename Tsaritsyn to Stalingrad, although I.V. Stalin was against it.
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 28 January 2018 14: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            , although I.V. Stalin was against it.

            yourself not funny?
        3. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 10: 13 New
          46
          dsk Today, 06:55 ↑ New
          Fursov is clearly lying - Alexander Nevsky had a clear advantage.
          What does this follow from? From your words?
          Alexander Nevsky is of course an iconic figure, but even he cannot compete with Joseph Vissarionovich. Firstly, Stalin is much closer in time, there are still people who found his time, who remember how the people cried when they buried the Leader. Yes, yes, it is the Leader and no other way! Secondly, Stalin did what no ruler of Russia did, including Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great and Catherine the Great. From scratch he created a great world power. Twice he raised the country from ruins after two of the most devastating wars on the planet. Only an outstanding person such as Joseph Vissarionovich was capable of.
          It is necessary to hold a referendum, the very first name of a city on the Volga - Tsaritsyn, may also be held.
          Let's hold, I am one hundred percent sure that between Tsaritsyn and Stalingrad Stalingrad will defeat with a crushing score.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
            +4
            Yes! It is the leader.
        4. dSK
          dSK 25 January 2018 15: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          Alexander Nevsky had a clear advantage.

          It official fact, not advertising.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 25 January 2018 23: 47 New
            +7
            This is an advertisement. But Stalin is a fact, as if the oligarchs did not want otherwise.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 25 January 2018 06: 58 New
        31
        Monster
        You're right. Today you can * PR * or create a new structure that will be something there ... .Today in RUSSIA, slowly, one might say bashfully trying to do something for both RUSSIA and RUSSIAN.
        But IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN was building a country, under his leadership the SOVIET UNION won the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR and restored the destroyed again.
        Respect for Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin for real successes in the construction of the camp and in the war and the heyday of culture, many more can be listed successes which do not hesitate to achieve this SOVIET PEOPLE.
        As well as the fact that they destroyed the villains and made it possible to return to normal life * forged *, and there are many examples of this.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 19 New
          +2
          How many there, together with the villains of the innocent and uninvolved, have rotted in the taiga and at great construction sites? Interesting.
          And how many of them should be, so that the image of the ideal fighter for human happiness, according to the venal "historians", fades a little?
          What is the number? So much is possible, but no longer possible.
          Let's tell ourselves honestly - the time was different, harsh. And the country fought for survival as it fought - both the innocent died and the guilty.
          This can be recognized and accepted. Thank you for saving the country.
          But this is not necessary to repeat.
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          2. Conserp
            Conserp 25 January 2018 16: 41 New
            15
            Under Stalin, over 30 years fewer people were planted than under Yeltsin in Russia or in the United States under Obama.

            So really - the time was different. More humane.

            In the United States, about 10% of innocents are currently sitting. An appeal to the “innocent” is simply demagogy with pressure on pity.

            When Stalin was able to suppress the terror of 37 years, during the Beria’s rehabilitation, about 25% of judicial errors and falsifications were revealed, but this only applies to Yezhovschina.

            The attribution of responsibility to Stalin for judicial errors and even more so for the crimes of his opponents is the most heinous manipulation.
      3. dSK
        dSK 25 January 2018 07: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: “Monstrously fat”
        by the way

        Trying in vain, more than thirty "comrade" Soros will not give you. And she will not suit you for the future.
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 25 January 2018 17: 30 New
          0
          Dsk
          And you, in the sense of KZL, from the non-Comrade Soros get a lope!? ... stop
      4. Vend
        Vend 25 January 2018 09: 02 New
        +7
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        And by the way, the GDP can "painlessly" PR famously on a new wave .. "patriotism" (Crimea has somehow "forgotten" - "become boring"), renaming Volgograd to Salingrad. Here is the "rating" then "trample" then wink

        Putin does not need cheap populism, this is a matter for petty presidential candidates.
        Stalin is the idol of the Russians, even though the authorities want the opposite
        Idol Stalin or not is a moot point. One thing is certain, Joseph Vissarionovich is a monumental figure in the Soviet period of Russian history. But we don’t intend to oblivion the history of Russia. Western analysts have to come to terms with this already.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 25 January 2018 09: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          Putin does not need cheap populism, this is a matter for petty presidential candidates.

          Meanwhile, I personally think that some kind of event, like the Crimea, will happen. And not by itself.
          Otherwise, I agree with you.
          1. Vend
            Vend 25 January 2018 09: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: BecmepH
            Quote: Wend
            Putin does not need cheap populism, this is a matter for petty presidential candidates.

            Meanwhile, I personally think that some kind of event, like the Crimea, will happen. And not by itself.
            Otherwise, I agree with you.

            Maybe you’re right, it’s not long to wait. I would like something global: the collapse of the EU or the collapse of the US economy wink
      5. siberalt
        siberalt 25 January 2018 14: 12 New
        +8
        Renaming to Stalingrad will shock Europe! Our liberals will never agree to this. They are shocked by one such thought. belay
      6. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 25 January 2018 16: 48 New
        +3
        He will never do that.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 25 January 2018 12: 14 New
      22
      And Russia is the name of the small USSR, while small. Then, whoever wants to - he will be asked. But this requires change. But changes themselves do not occur, in order for beneficial changes to occur, people need to lift their asses off the sofas and vote in March, including brains or, at least, the instinct of self-preservation.
      Here is the official, I emphasize, official website for the elections: http: //my-president.rf
      And here is a picture even on it:
      Voters - 35638 at this time.

      It is clear that the authorities will not allow such a correlation in the elections, but strive to ensure that as many Russian citizens as possible recognize the candidate Grudinin and correctly vocalize. Otherwise, over the next six years, this gang will completely privatize and merge the whole country, and with it the future of our children and grandchildren.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 25 January 2018 12: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        It’s clear that the authorities will not allow such a correlation in the elections,

        That's right you noticed. But here is how she (the power) will do it? I think the real competitor will be eliminated. I'm not in the literal sense.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 25 January 2018 14: 22 New
        +3
        He went in and voted. But the final numbers will be what you need. The site is official! It's like a thimble gamelaughing
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 27 New
          +1
          He is as official as I am, the Chinese president.
      3. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 25 January 2018 14: 58 New
        +5
        Interestingly, in the minds of our officials? What moods roam the Kremlin ?! In my opinion, Putin needs to resign the government now to raise the rating, and Grudinin must be offered the prime minister's place. As Yeltsin once did with Swan.
        1. Ehanatone
          Ehanatone 25 January 2018 17: 37 New
          +1
          Yeah, just then it became with Swan,!? ...
          1. Sasha_Sar
            Sasha_Sar 26 January 2018 08: 53 New
            +1
            What happened? "Chewed" and spat out by the governor in the Krasnoyarsk Territory EBN, away from Moscow.
      4. Mestny
        Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 27 New
        +4
        Lying.
        This is not an official site. It's just
        non-profit Internet project created to cover the election race of candidates for the post of President of the Russian Federation. All posted materials are for informational purposes only and under no circumstances can be regarded as political advertising.

        ANY official site MANDATORY contains detailed information about the structure to which it belongs.
        In this case, there is nothing other than e-mail, no contacts.
        Who created it and for what purpose I think is understandable. Just look at the results of the “vote”. The usual propaganda.
      5. dSK
        dSK 25 January 2018 15: 59 New
        +5
        Grudinin is the same “ideological” communist as I am a ballerina. He has with the Communist Party - marriage of convenience, a temporary alliance. Divorce is inevitable, and who is “wrapping” whom is the big question. It’s not long to wait.
      6. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 25 January 2018 17: 35 New
        0
        Yes, you need to tear off your ass!
        Otherwise, this is for 6 years - by the way, 6 years is what a quiet change of the Constitution, without a referendum and so on ..!.
        1. dSK
          dSK 26 January 2018 02: 19 New
          +1
          Hello Ihanaton!
          Quote: Ehanatone
          Yes, you need to tear off your ass!
          What was the matter ahead of us with the song: "We always have a road for young people, we always have honor for old people." Write collective requests to the Constitutional Court, collect signatures. The team is a big force. Many legal ways to show their civic activity.
      7. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 25 January 2018 20: 44 New
        +9
        Prove the OFFICIALITY of this crap site? Here comrade Golovan already cited the place of registration of the site and who its holders are. How did the Penza site of two individuals become OFFICIAL? Are you crazy about your billionaire Grudinin?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 29 January 2018 20: 22 New
          +2
          It is possible that it is not official. But he is the same "crap" as Grudinin - the billionaire.
          The essence is important - the people vote for Grudinin. And not only on this site:
          HOW DOES THE ZAPUTIN SITE VOTE? 78/14 NOT IN GOOD GDP.
          DO NOT FORGET THE VOTE!

          Yes, here is the pro-Putin and Putin site: http://putin2018.ru
          [B] [/ b]
          There is no online voting on it. I don’t even ask the question why not.


          My-President.RF - presidential election 2018, a list of presidential candidates, who will be president, online voting
          Moy-President.RF - online voting service, support your candidate, invite your friends and acquaintances to the Internet voting! TO...
          My President.RF
          Sergey Kuznetsov
          Sergey Kuznetsov
          We take part in the Surveys: Rating of candidates for the President of the Russian Federation-2018. Register, Vote, Comment, agitate for our Presidential Candidate!
          1.Http: //your choice2018.rf/
          Votes 3356, Grudinin 67%, Putin 25%, Zhirinovsky 3%
          2.Http: //my-president.rf/my-president/grudinin-pn
          .html
          Votes 38649, Grudinin 78%, Putin 15%, Zhirinovsky 3%
          3.http: //president-rf.ru/page/rejting-kandidatov
          Votes 136795, Grudinin 59%, Putin 29%, Zhirinovsky 3%
          4.http: //npetroff.com/
          Votes 5081, Grudinin 55%, Putin 8%
          5.https: //pollservice.ru/p/vybory-prezidenta-rossii
          -201 ..
          Votes 2267, Grudinin 74%, Putin 12%
          6.http: //people.100p.ru/challenger/russia
          Votes 786, Grudinin 82%, Putin 18%
          7.http: //novosti-online.info/3931-kandidaty-v-prezi
          dent ..
          Votes 10141, Grudinin 54%, Putin 23%, Zhirinovsky 7%
          SURVEYS on specialized sites:
          Site "Echo of Moscow"
          8.https://echo.msk.ru/polls/2127788-echo/results.ht
          ml
          Votes 5202, Grudinin 67%, Putin 10%

          Website World Crisis and Neopolitics
          9.http: //worldcrisis.ru/crisis/2915364
          Votes 2498, Grudinin 82%, Putin 11%

          Website personal Khazin
          10.https: //khazin.ru/pools
          Votes: 16963, Grudinin 67%, Putin 33%

          The site of workers of creative intelligentsia (economists, writers, journalists)
          11.http: //maxpark.com/community/13/content/6165547#d
          iscuss
          Votes 587, Grudinin 52%, Putin 21%, Zhirinovsky 5%

          Site of the Russian "Bohemia"
          12.http: //ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/263743-p
          utin ..
          Votes: 98, Grudinin 22%, Putin 68%

          SURVEYS on VKontakte:
          13.https://vk.com/rating_putina
          3 voted, Grudinin 070%, Putin 87%
          14.https: //vk.com/pr2018ru
          6 votes, Grudinin 708% Putin 64%
          15.https: //vk.com/news.page
          5 votes, Grudinin 944% Putin 38%
          16.https: //vk.com/elect2018
          8 votes, Grudinin 859% Putin 60%
          17.https: //vk.com/vibory_2018
          3 votes, Grudinin 938% Putin 71%
          18.https://vk.com/v2018mart
          768 votes, Grudinin 81% Putin 11%
          19.https://vk.com/vybory_prezidenta_rossii_2018
          8 votes, Grudinin 524% Putin 42%
          20.https://vk.com/nach_prezident
          1 votes, Grudinin 014% Putin 80%
          21.https://vk.com/vybory18_03_2018
          3 votes, Grudinin 377% Putin 68%
          22.https: //vk.com/tulazagrudinina
          10 votes, Grudinin 292% Putin 47%
          23.https: //vk.com/russia180318
          661 votes, Grudinin 43% Putin 26%
          24.https://vk.com/event142012251
          16 votes, Grudinin 571% Putin 41%
          25.https://vk.com/rnz2018
          17 votes, Grudinin 178% Putin 43%
          26.https://vk.com/vibory_kuznechihinskoesp_yamr
          3 votes, Grudinin 377% Putin 68%
          27.https://vk.com/vybory2018march
          320 votes, Grudinin 88% Putin 9%
          28.https://vk.com/minevisiblecool
          1 votes, Grudinin 587% Putin 70%
          29.https://vk.com/mozhaev1986
          289 votes, Grudinin 55% Putin 26%
          30.https://vk.com/club28661418
          10 votes, Grudinin 293% Putin 47%
          31.https://vk.com/wall-50555957_7295
          294 votes, Grudinin 53% Putin 13%
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 29 January 2018 21: 26 New
            +4
            Quote: NordUral
            It is possible that it is not official. But he is the same "crap" as Grudinin - billionaire

            Freud Reservationwhat is called wink
            So they wanted to say something, Gardamir, pooh ... NordUral? In your opinion, it turns out that either the site is crap, or your Grudinin is quite a real billionaire belay
            Ek flatters you ...
            Already 31 sites were cited as an example ... and voting on all SMS-kami? So smart people are forging you, ahem, forging money ... while it's hot, oh yes
            Hurry to rejoice, you have 49 days left request
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 29 January 2018 20: 41 New
          +1
          With officiality, I repent, I fell for the face of the brightest. But the result of online voting is approximately correct. I’ve been watching YouTube for a couple of weeks now, or rather responses to videos. And there the ratio is about the same. like on this site.
          As I understand it, your billionaires are guys like Sechin.
          Your billionaire Grudinin would not be missed, it is a fact.
      8. NordUral
        NordUral 29 January 2018 20: 13 New
        +2
        I will add the current voting report to http: //my-president.rf
        Come and vote! You cannot believe those who call for a boycott of the March elections. And voting on this site matters.
        Indeed, for the first time in a couple of decades, we had a real chance to change the system of robbing the country, or rather the killing of the country, to the real possibility of changing the organized crime group, which we stupidly mistook for the state, for a social state.
    3. flicker
      flicker 25 January 2018 17: 12 New
      +4
      Stalingrad. It is a symbol of Russia's resilience

      and not only. Stalingrad is the city where the Battle of the Peer took place which, for the Fate of Humanity, has not yet happened.
      It is known that people from all over the World, waking up in a hurry, first of all found out how Stalingrad was there, as if feeling that their Destiny was being decided there.
      1. dSK
        dSK 26 January 2018 02: 33 New
        0
        Hello Nikolai!
        Quote: flicker
        Stalingrad is the city where the Battle took place ...
        And nobody argues with this.
        You may not have to hold a separate referendum. To the president’s choice bill add another rename leaflet. Costs will increase slightly, but you can get an objective answer, and not only on this issuewith.
  2. Nonna
    Nonna 25 January 2018 06: 30 New
    21
    The VTsIOM is controlled by the Kremlin and 100% polled collecting crumbs from the lordly table - Kremlin lads and probably just when they were going to hang up a board with sexot Solzhenitsyn. At that moment, the whole crowd of five people was questioned. And here is a real survey - Joseph Stalin leads the survey of Russians regarding the most outstanding personalities in world history, 38% of respondents voted for him. The second place was shared by Russian President Vladimir Putin and poet Alexander Pushkin, gaining 34% each. According to the survey results, 32% of Russians consider Vladimir Lenin an outstanding historical figure, and 29% consider Peter I.
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 January 2018 12: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Nonna
      And here is a real survey - Joseph Stalin leads the survey of Russians regarding the most outstanding personalities in world history, 38% of respondents voted for him. The second place was shared by Russian President Vladimir Putin and poet Alexander Pushkin, gaining 34% each.
      -Oh yeah!!! real survey !!! those. there were no more worthy and outstanding personalities in world history (38 + 34 + 34 =106%) ??? and another 32% for Lenin and 29% for Peter .....
      If you sculpt nonsense, then at least consider .....

      And if there was a division (and I think that it was there - if you didn’t take the figures from the sky) into the world ones (where Stalin) and some other ones (where GDP and Pushkin) - then give them by subsections
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 31 New
        +1
        Probably missed math at school.
        And so everything is as usual - no links, nothing. Apparently the survey was carried out by cockroaches in a single head.
  3. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 25 January 2018 06: 42 New
    18
    Of course, if it weren’t for Stalin, now there would be no Russia as such, as well as a Russian ethnos. The Nazi death camps worked around the clock.
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 25 January 2018 06: 53 New
    12
    over 90% supported the Reds
    I am also “red” and the flag in my car is red!
    1. dzen123
      dzen123 25 January 2018 23: 41 New
      0
      Especially for the "red" !!!

      I live in my native country
      and my country is a collective farm!
      All in loans and debts,
      How to survive here - that’s the question !?

      In the head of my idea
      There is heroism in my heart.
      On the ruins of "Pompeii"
      We will build communism!

      Step by step, day after day
      We are going to communism.
      We’re not afraid of them ... - we’ll sing a loud song!
      Year after year, day after day
      We are going to communism.
      We are not afraid of them ... - this is my homeland !!!
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 25 January 2018 07: 21 New
    16
    I agree about the cereal in my head. How can a person worship liberal Putin and the statesman Stalin. But Putin is remembered while he is now in power. All this speaks of one idea of ​​liberalism and democracy is false. The order is where man rules. And not elected posts. The army also tried to introduce democracy into the civil war, quickly realized that it was criminal. And the factories are run by directors, not elected deputies.
    Therefore, they respect Stalin, that there was order and the enemies were afraid.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 25 January 2018 07: 33 New
      +9
      Putin is remembered while he is now in power
      I think you are wrong. GDP has already entered itself into history and, moreover, is solid.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 25 January 2018 07: 37 New
        16
        already entered
        We remember Yeltsin, just for that. to say that under Putin it’s better. And what about Khrushchev? And in three Alexandra and two Nicholas, many are simply confused. Just wondering what they will say in twenty years about Putin? It is clear that while in power he is the one and only.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 26 January 2018 23: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Gardamir
          already entered
          We remember Yeltsin, just for that. to say that under Putin it’s better. And what about Khrushchev? And in three Alexandra and two Nicholas, many are simply confused. Just wondering what they will say in twenty years about Putin? It is clear that while in power he is the one and only.

          Question for filling: And how many Petrov were there? belay You’ll definitely break your head!
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 07: 36 New
      11
      Quote: Gardamir
      The order is where man rules. Not elected posts

      How's that?
      If the elective is a bad manager, and if they are appointed (and who, by the way, has appointed something?), Is it good right away?
      Delirium negative
      Quote: Gardamir
      the ideas of liberalism and democracy are false

      It is the “ideas of democracy” that allow you to tap these, huh ... with your calloused fingers ... well, I’ll say “thoughts”.
      Under Stalin, you would have mastered simpler and healthier (and not requiring electricity in the socket) tools.
      Ax, saw ... and broom laughing
      Thickly troll Gardamir wink
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 January 2018 08: 03 New
        10
        Each person, leader has his own time.
        And we will remember GDP, in any case, including for the stopped collapse of the country and for the immense theft of power to those close to you, and much more.
        We remember the one with the drunk too, although for that Schaub to spit, Schaub would not do such stupid things anymore.
        We remember Stalin and other leaders of the Country of Soviets, Russia. Some as tyrants, others as creators.
        We remember writers, we remember poets. remember astronauts, scientists .....
        Today we celebrate V. Vysotsky. We remember the male, and the assessment of creativity ... is also different.
        Authorities can distort any of. poll, but the people's memory will put everything in its place !!!
        A little slower horses
        A little slower
        You are tight, do not listen to the whip.
        But something horses caught me
        Finicky
        And did not have time to live,
        I don’t have time to finish.
        I’ll give water to the horses, I’ll sing the verse
        I’ll stand a little more on the edge.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 09: 39 New
          +7
          Quote: rocket757
          Each person, leader has his own time.
          And we will remember GDP, for every

          Why are you sorry?
          So far - not the topic, not the rhyme and in general ... some garbage, goose.
          IMHO.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 25 January 2018 09: 43 New
        25
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Under Stalin, you would have mastered simpler and healthier (and not requiring electricity in the socket) tools.

        And even under Stalin, babosos did not take abroad, and in the direction of the Flag, the adversary would not even dare to look askance. The bureaucrats children studied at their schools and his son was at the front. Jack, did your son serve? Have you served?
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 25 January 2018 10: 12 New
          13
          Quote: BecmepH
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Under Stalin, you would have mastered simpler and healthier (and not requiring electricity in the socket) tools.

          And even under Stalin, babosos did not take abroad, and in the direction of the Flag, the adversary would not even dare to look askance. The bureaucrats children studied at their schools and his son was at the front. Jack, did your son serve? Have you served?

          ... That shaw won him? He is Jack! Yes, and "golovan" ... in which "he eats" ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 25 January 2018 10: 51 New
            +6
            Come on. No chatter will erase the people's memory. You just need to remember EVERYTHING, and not selectively !!!
            Here are our fat men, those in power with pleasure erased all that bothers them.
            Unfortunately, they make attempts in this direction - it’s enough to look into textbooks, films, and all kinds of transmissions. they work shorter, "bake" for the younger generation.
            As long as there are those who remember, know, have their own opinion, everything is done with caution, and then ??? I won’t wonder what will happen next.
            1. dauria
              dauria 25 January 2018 12: 03 New
              +1
              I won’t wonder what will happen next.


              In a billion years, life on Earth will become impossible; in 5 billion, the Sun will go out. Ten and forty-two years later, the last proton of the universe will decay. repeat
              The memory of a man is alive as long as people who knew him personally are alive. Everything else - we remember myths, true or false.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 January 2018 12: 30 New
                0
                We also remember what our ancestors gave us ... what kind of myth? Their assessment of the events that occurred, maybe I listened carefully.
                Myths arise or are created !!! This is to the fact that they are born among the people and the winners cover them, at will / discretion.
                Everything is so, though there are ARCHIVES, but again, it is at the discretion of the winner.
                So. that we have different information ... then the work of the brain or human imagination !!!
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 25 January 2018 13: 01 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              Unfortunately, they make attempts in this direction - it’s enough to look into textbooks, films, and all kinds of transmissions. work shorter, “bake” for the younger generation

              Specific examples would be ... otherwise some kind of ringing comes from you, but there’s no sense in it ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 25 January 2018 13: 38 New
                0
                Unreal. Seek, quote ... I have such an understanding of what I hear and read.
                Do not agree, your will. Everyone has opponents, there are like-minded people!
          2. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 25 January 2018 11: 14 New
            +9
            That shaw won him? He is Jack! Yes, and "golovan" ... in which "he eats" ...


            "Golovan Jack" is a character from the Strugatsky "Inhabited Island", "Beetle in the Anthill." Golovany is a kinoid (dog-shaped) race with disproportionately large heads, which is the root cause of its name. They live in burrows or abandoned underground rooms - metro, bunkers. They know how to climb trees well. They live in twin families. At birth, puppies have membranes between their fingers. They have a genetic memory, they believe that before birth, Golovan exists in the blood of their parents. Possess paranormal mental abilities. One of the local names of the Golovans in Saraksh ("tsekhu") translates as "an underground resident who knows how to conquer and kill by the strength of his spirit." wink
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 26 January 2018 06: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              "Golovan Jack" is a character from the Strugatsky "Inhabited Island", "Beetle in the Anthill"

              Thank you, almost everything is correct. Only there is golovan Schekn laughing
        2. your1970
          your1970 25 January 2018 12: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: BecmepH
          And even under Stalin, babosos did not take abroad, and in the direction of the Flag, the adversary would not even dare to look askance.
          Do you remember the incident with our bombed airplanes and the unknown number of deaths?
          "On October 8, 1950 at 16.17 local time, two US Air Force Lockheed F-80C fighters, Shooting Star (Meteor) violated the state border of the USSR and attacked the Soviet military field airfield 100 km deep by almost 165 km from Vladivostok, in the Khasansky district. As a result of shelling by the US Air Force in the parking lot, seven aircraft of the Soviet squadron were damaged, one burned down completely. There were no victims. If you believe the official statement. At least in the list of monuments of the Khasansky district of Primorsky Territory at number 106 it means "brotherly nameless the grave of pilots who died in the reflection of American bombers in 1950. " It also indicates that the grave is located near the village of Perevoznoe, the former territory of the military town of Sukhaya Rechka. "
          They were afraid ?? !!! Yeah, Shaz ...
          "According to the then-deceased commander of the 64th Air Corps, Lieutenant General Georgy Lobov and former pilot of the 821st Aviation Regiment V. Zabelin, there could be no mistake. The Americans had to see perfectly where they were flying and what they were bombing. It was clear provocation. According to Zabelin, "Americans saw where they were flying. Flew 100 kilometers from our border with Korea. They all knew very well. It was thought up that the young pilots got lost. ”Alton Kwonbeck's further track record is also doubtful. He is very successful. Most likely, the bombing was carried out deliberately, and the incident was a pure provocation by the United States. "
        3. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 17: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: BecmepH
          And even under Stalin, babosos did not take abroad, and in the direction of the Flag, the adversary would not even dare to look askance. The bureaucrats children studied at their schools and his son was at the front

          That, they say, is true. I can’t confirm it myself, I didn’t live under Stalin yet.
          This, however, does not negate the fact that behind his chatter Gardamir already earned for himself so 50 years "without the right of correspondence" laughing
          Quote: BecmepH
          Jack, did your son serve? Have you served?

          I am. The son is not. For lack of such request
      3. NordUral
        NordUral 25 January 2018 12: 19 New
        +1
        He is not a troll, but you.
      4. Atilla
        Atilla 25 January 2018 14: 23 New
        +6
        And under Stalin, we wouldn’t dare to think like that, but crushed all kinds of reptiles that prevented the building of a normal state. And now we have a state under construction. I haven’t heard anything intelligible from Putin about this.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 25 January 2018 16: 24 New
          +5
          We have not had a state since the 91st, there is an organized criminal group disguised as a state. And even this education does not suit either the West or their service staff, which we stupidly take for power in Russia (with very few exceptions in its upper echelons, and in all echelons).
          And these enemies of the people do not build the future of the country, they bring the end of Russia closer. We, the people, are strangers to them.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 January 2018 23: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Atilla
          And under Stalin, we wouldn’t dare to think like that, but crushed all kinds of reptiles that prevented the building of normal states

          Well, yes ... you would - they crushed, but you would build Gardamir с NordUralth laughing
          Zeka Vasiliev and Petrov Zeka ...
  6. Alex_59
    Alex_59 25 January 2018 07: 59 New
    14
    I would put Gagarin in the first place. As a collective image of a Russian person - simple, smiling, kind, clever, a little modest and shy, but firm and striving upward, despite the hardships that life and the world around him bring down on him. This is a bright and very kind image. Glad.
    And in second place - Stalin. Why not the first? Because the image is undoubtedly worthy, but no longer joyful and not kind. Strong, hard. The image of a man is a pragmatist who knows exactly what he wants; he no longer has a place for shyness or simplicity. There is wisdom, cunning, calculation, rigidity. There is already pain, suffering, despite successes. In some ways they are the antipodes with Gagarin. Gagarin is what we strive for, and Stalin is how we really do it. Gagarin is the goal, Stalin is the way to achieve the goal. And in fact it is. Stalin ensured the success of Gagarin. He did all the work on earth, dirty, hard work, so that Gagarin would appear after him.
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 25 January 2018 09: 44 New
      +7
      The historical period in which he managed to lead the country made Stalin strong and tough.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 25 January 2018 10: 51 New
        +5
        Quote: KERMET
        The historical period in which he managed to lead the country made Stalin strong and tough.

        Well, not quite. Man, he was originally cunning and tough. Otherwise, he simply would not have become what he has become. And I would even say his life pobedila in the direction of mitigation. Especially after the start of the Second World War. I suppose that he then rethought a lot. Not without reason did “brothers and sisters” turn to the people.
        1. dSK
          dSK 25 January 2018 16: 21 New
          +1
          Hello Alexey!
          Quote: Alex_59
          Not without reason did “brothers and sisters” turn to the people.
          He was a baptized, seminarian, "God's Law" studied, was about to become a priest. "Our Father" I knew for sure. And his successors, already golem atheists - atheists profiled the country. Orphans. hi
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 25 January 2018 13: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex_59
      And in second place - Stalin

      And on the third ... and maybe the first - Putin, just like under Stalin, just didn’t shoot millions and wins wars without casualties almost and joins the earth !!!
    3. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 31 New
      +1
      You are right that there should be romance, there must be prose, sometimes boring, monotonous, sometimes even cruel, but it, prose, the basis of everything, there is no way without it.
    4. dzuar saubarag
      dzuar saubarag 25 January 2018 15: 57 New
      0
      Very well and truly said!
    5. mgero
      mgero 25 January 2018 17: 57 New
      -1
      Molodetc Alex umno.
    6. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 4 February 2018 03: 35 New
      -1
      Eustace ¬ Alex
      And what is actually the equivalence:
      Stalin - the creator, the leader, let's say the Designer ...
      Gagarin - with all due respect, I was just lucky ...
  7. apro
    apro 25 January 2018 08: 04 New
    +7
    Socialism IV Stalin is a real alternative to Russia. Capitalism and Trotskyism led the country into a dead end.
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 25 January 2018 08: 05 New
    14
    The presence of Solzhenitsyn on a par with Gagarin and Stalin, of course, is surprising.
    ... and quite surprising ...
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 25 January 2018 09: 06 New
      +5
      and it’s unpleasant, to such an extent that I want to take a piece of soap (Dyagertreva) and rinse my eyes with those who counted the votes in this poll. Have they overlooked the mistake?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 25 January 2018 09: 37 New
        +5
        I think they specifically allowed ...
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 25 January 2018 08: 10 New
    +2
    Stalin is like a Moor in equatorial Africa: against the background of wild Bolshevik cannibals he looks quite civilized, one might say brilliant, but still he is a Moor, and Russia is Russia.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 25 January 2018 16: 49 New
      +4
      The hating Stalin is a Russophobe, an ignoramus and a bastard everywhere looks like a Russophobe, an ignoramus and a bastard.
  10. Loess
    Loess 25 January 2018 08: 36 New
    +5
    Despite the declared course of de-Stalinization, I personally do not see any conscious and systemic opposition to the growing popularity of Stalin among the population. They openly hate Stalin and use exclusively liberal media, like the notorious Echo, to pour mud on him. Although the frenzied rhetoric of this media, in my opinion, is just a vaccination against Western values ​​for people who think a little bit, because nothing but rejection of the ideas propagated by such media does not cause. So it is unlikely that they are trying to "wipe" Stalin. Would you like to "wipe" - "would wipe". It’s like with EBN, and the center is open, and they don’t say anything bad about him, but everyone understands what role he played in the history of Russia and the attitude of the people to it is corresponding. So both de-Stalinization and the E-center are all a game for the public, and exclusively for the external public, so that they do not get into our affairs ahead of time.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 25 January 2018 10: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Less
      hardly trying to "wipe" Stalin. Would you like to "wipe" - "would wipe".

      It all depends on the material, which "rubs" If it is dirt - well ... understand? And if, say - stainless steel ?!
      The more rubbing - the brighter it shines!
      1. Loess
        Loess 25 January 2018 10: 22 New
        +1
        And it depends on what to rub)
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 25 January 2018 10: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Less
          And it depends on what to rub)

          Yes, even a file - clogged with "sawdust", and - to throw ...
          (Which, incidentally, happened with many “files”!)
          1. Loess
            Loess 25 January 2018 10: 48 New
            +1
            Well ... I will not argue with you, that's why you heard my opinion.
        2. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 33 New
          +2
          Yes, at least by what, it is in gold ... it will not remain gold.
  11. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 25 January 2018 09: 11 New
    +1
    Stalin - the idol of the Russians

    And for the Russians, he is a criminal, guilty of the genocide of the Russian people.
    1. Diminisher
      Diminisher 25 January 2018 09: 28 New
      15
      Russian people? Genocide? What kind of porridge is boiled in your undoubtedly smart head?
      Well, if you mean by Russians those who came along with the Nazis to "liberate" the land from the "red-bellied scum", then everything is clear to you. Like your level of development, such things.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 25 January 2018 10: 05 New
        +9
        Quote: Diminisher
        What kind of porridge is boiled in your undoubtedly smart head?

        There is no porridge in his head, and the idea is clear and transparent: "how to provoke an audience to srach?" This is a typical troll. A spectacular statement on behalf of the entire Russian people on a clearly provocative topic.
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 25 January 2018 10: 22 New
        11
        Diminisher Today, 09:28 ↑ New
        Russian people? Genocide? What kind of porridge is boiled in your undoubtedly smart head?
        So he himself, if not a direct descendant of those traitors, is certainly their ideological descendant. On it there is no place to put stigmas on him, a fascist henchman disguising himself as a “Russian”.
        1. Dzmicer
          Dzmicer 25 January 2018 10: 44 New
          +4
          I am a descendant of Russian collective-farm slaves, deprived of the right to own land, for which they paid generations of ransom payments and plowed for “sticks” to the state.
      3. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 25 January 2018 10: 42 New
        +4
        The Red Terror, talkative talk, collectivization, dispossession, four waves of hunger, the Great Terror - all this affected only
        those who came with the Nazis to "free" the land from the "Red-bellied scum"
        , Yes. But this did not affect the Russians, right? If you think about 30 million human losses through the fault of the Bolsheviks - well, is that really genocide?
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 25 January 2018 10: 53 New
          11
          Quote: Dzmicer
          Thinking about 30 MILLION LOSSES

          Do not be shy, write "billions." What do they, Russian, feel sorry for? A million there, a million here ...
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 25 January 2018 10: 58 New
            +4
            Let genetic hereditary democrats and liberals tell you about billions - you need to somehow whitewash the Rusorez grandfathers from the Cheka and the NKVD with their hands to the elbow in Russian blood, thanks to which they got apartments in the center of Moscow.
            I operate with the real data that is in the public domain. Which are also probably far from the truth, but at least give some idea.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 25 January 2018 11: 12 New
              +6
              Quote: Dzmicer
              Let genetic hereditary democrats and liberals tell you about billions - you need to somehow whitewash the Rusorez grandfathers from the Cheka and the NKVD with their hands to the elbow in Russian blood, thanks to which they got apartments in the center of Moscow.

              laughing laughing laughing Burning dude!
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 25 January 2018 12: 15 New
                +4
                Actually, about apartments, this is true, here is a real document of that era:
                And about the "hereditary liberals" is also not fiction — look at the biographies of modern Russian “liberals” —through one grandfather and grandmothers, Chekists and the nomenclature of the CPSU.
    2. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 45 New
      +7
      For Russians, yes, a criminal, but for Russians who have a head and who can think, he is the savior of Russia and Russians, it was not by chance that Churchill called him a Russian nationalist. And if anyone destroyed the Russians in the years 20-30, it is precisely the representatives of liberoids of indeterminate nationality who, even in the troubled years of the civil war, crawled into state security bodies and party bodies and crap everywhere. as soon as they could, however, many later suffered a well-deserved punishment for this at the initiative of Stalin, but not all, unfortunately, the events of the late 80-90s show this.
    3. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 4 February 2018 03: 41 New
      -1
      Hrnu in a hat with a fan
      And vi, I’m not ashamed to ask, is it exactly the same Russian? ...
  12. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 25 January 2018 09: 26 New
    +8
    Stalin - the idol of the Russians
    No need for all Russians, huh?
    Do not make yourself an idol ... (Exodus 20.4)

    If not to one extreme, then to the other! But in reality we still do not know everything about Stalin. And we’ll never know something at least because the documents were destroyed long ago, but nonsense like Khrushchev’s “controlled the globe” is widely circulated ... Stalin is not an angel, but it’s also worthless to sculpt the devil from him. To us, in that era for the most part not yet living, and new generations who knew about it from our words. It is easy to shake the tongue, but has anyone tried to imagine themselves in its place in a particular situation (for example, 01.12.1934/22.06.1941/XNUMX or XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)?
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 27 January 2018 00: 01 New
      +2
      And here I am slowly reading the collected works of Stalin. Try it, very interesting and instructive. Somewhere in the year 35, his friend's house burned down. He sends him 2000 rubles and writes: "... I don’t have any more, they don’t pay us here, but I took an advance payment and send you ..."
      I downloaded just by typing in a search engine.
  13. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 25 January 2018 09: 39 New
    +9
    Oh, and our Kremlin thieves from such statistics, oh and hooks! It's only the beginning!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 January 2018 10: 04 New
      17
      Yes, one fact that after his death they found only the old overcoat and worn boots already brought them to a heart attack! And he sent all the money for published works to scholarships to talented students, engineers and cultural figures. The Stalin Prize was real, not on paper.
    2. Dzmicer
      Dzmicer 25 January 2018 11: 41 New
      +4
      The Kremlin thief only rubs pens from such statistics (and the statistics are drawn according to his order). Because in this way it achieves two goals:
      1. The legitimation of their own arbitrariness
      2. He exposes the Russian people as African cannibals, who do not feed bread - give the Gulag to build, and only the Kremlin heroes are holding back these half-animals.
    3. Mestny
      Mestny 25 January 2018 16: 00 New
      -1
      Are teens to create another site with the results of the "popular vote"?
      That's all, then the regime is surely over, and everyone will have a new iPhone.
  14. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 09: 39 New
    10
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    And by the way, the GDP can "painlessly" PR famously on a new wave .. "patriotism" (Crimea has somehow "forgotten" - "become boring"), renaming Volgograd to Salingrad. Here is the "rating" then "trample" then

    -----------------------------
    GDP could:
    1) In 2014, to go through all Ukraine with the Russian army to Belgrade and he would be met with flowers.
    2) In 2015-2017, GDP could significantly bomb American bases in Syria and Iraq and all of Asia would applaud it.
    3) In 2017, GDP could prohibit going to the Olympic Games without a hymn and a flag, and its rating would break the bar at 146%. And if you wanted to go in full status, then you could only send 2 Poplar blanks to the East Coast of the United States as Kim Jong-un and Hwasons did in the direction of Japan.
    In general, GDP could, but it cannot even cross itself normally.
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 January 2018 12: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      2) In 2015-2017, GDP could significantly bomb American bases in Syria and Iraq and all of Asia would applaud it.
      - I gave an example with the Dry River a little higher. For some reason, the IVS did not give the order "to bomb American bases" (in Germany, for example), but was satisfied with apologies. Even Stalin did not dare to do this - which at that time had the SECOND (or rather - EQUAL) army in the world.

      Quote: Altona
      send 2 Poplars to the US East Coast
      I am even embarrassed to ask: what kind of OI can be after TMV ???
      Z.Y. come out of our reality in his - and there you can at least pose in the United States .....
      А here no, here women, old people, children
      1. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 52 New
        +3
        The "second army" in numbers - yes, but the Americans had an overwhelming advantage in nuclear weapons, starting a military conflict of the USSR, which was just beginning to recover from a terrible war, with the USA, which during the war became super-rich and technologically and scientifically strong, meant almost suicide for the country.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 25 January 2018 16: 03 New
          +1
          Well, that is, Stalin had reason not to bomb American bases - the country's suicide.
          Excellent.
          Why do you think that Putin now has no such reason to avoid the country's suicide, and demand that he immediately wave his saber on all fronts?
          1. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 22: 07 New
            +1
            Because today the United States does not have a single chance to avoid a nuclear retaliatory strike, if it comes to that, and then they had it, in 50 we had not only intercontinental missiles, but even strategic bombers were not able to reach the territory USA.
    2. isker
      isker 25 January 2018 21: 14 New
      0
      as psheks say - if grandmother had bonzes, she would be grandfather ...
  15. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 09: 53 New
    +9
    Quote: Dzmicer
    And for the Russians, he is a criminal, guilty of the genocide of the Russian people.

    ----------------------------------
    You have some miserable manuals. Who is he genocide? But Leiba Davidovich Bronstein not genocide? Did the tsar’s king take good care of his subjects? People like you come, all the convolutions in the templates and begin to set forth a “thought” without communication. causes, effects. "TV said" to blame, then to blame. And to think for yourself, it’s necessary to strain.
  16. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 10: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Less
    So both de-Stalinization and the E-center are all a game for the public, and exclusively for the external public, so that they do not get into our affairs ahead of time.

    -------------------------
    This is a long game and it is designed for future generations.
  17. Slon_on
    Slon_on 25 January 2018 10: 20 New
    +6
    As soon as the current authorities are not puffing, it still does not go out to cover up the people's memory of Stalin. Yes, and to prosrat economic and cultural heritage to the end does not work.
  18. Dimmih
    Dimmih 25 January 2018 10: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: "The fact is that Solzhenitsyn is a mediocre writer, not to mention that he did a lot to destroy the country called the Soviet Union." I read Solzhenitsyn, I won’t say that I am an outstanding literary critic, but he writes well, certainly better than Fursov. As for the struggle, yes, he fought against the Communists, and was consistent in this. He loved Russia. He did not like the Communists, and the Communists are not Russia. Stalin ... Here Iosif Vissarionovich, like other statesmen, is which side to look at: on the one, a clear statesman, on the other, an outstanding statesman. Both that and another truth: to take the same Genghis Khan — in Mongolia he is a hero, the father of the nation, and in China — not even at all.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 January 2018 10: 55 New
      +5
      Many rulers were complex figures.
      People leading during the period of global changes, by definition, could not be others!
      1. Dimmih
        Dimmih 25 January 2018 11: 21 New
        +2
        Yes, and one must soberly understand that for one part of the people it is a villain, and for another it is a messenger of heaven. And in order to prevent a civil war, just do not inflate this issue.
    2. groks
      groks 25 January 2018 11: 06 New
      10
      Solzhenitsin’s lies have already been dismantled. The artistic value of the texts is also not very high. There are no anti-Soviets who would not be Russophobes; there are no Russophobes as a leaving party, and even less so.
      Quotes.
      "Wait, you bastards! Truman will be upon you! He will throw an atomic bomb on your head!"
      "I tell you: please intervene more in our internal affairs ... We ask you: intervene!"
      He asks the Americans. If someone does not understand.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 47 New
        -1
        These are the words he has spoken by well-fed healthy people sitting in a comfortable circle in soft chairs like you and I?
        No. This is what he said in desperate people - driven by hunger, arbitrariness, inhuman conditions, without any hope of changing anything in his life.
        Imagine yourself in their place. One must be either a complete truncheon or an absolute titan of the spirit, in order to maintain optimism and faith in justice under the conditions described not for oneself, no - for the future and the state.
        For most people, real people, not cardboard blanks "quietly burning tanks", their own life seems to be the greatest value. For example, I can’t blame them for the fact that they spit on everything else for the sake of their own life.
        For those described conditions, this is also weak. So, they shouted angrily, and that’s all.
        You can argue - the writer allegedly lied, it never happened as he describes.
        It is your business to believe or not.
        And here I am, having lived in the world and seeing how it sometimes happens, and how it can be unfair for you to personally ride through the skating rink under the control of others, cynically, meanly, and most importantly, with the most good speeches and intentions - why I would not believe it.
        1. groks
          groks 25 January 2018 15: 57 New
          +1
          I will not say about the first statement, it is necessary to clarify. But the second is Solzhenitsyn’s own statement. Well, who and where got it that way? Than? In any case, it turns out that he believed that the United States was coming - put things in order (s)?
    3. alavrin
      alavrin 25 January 2018 11: 43 New
      +3
      Solzhenitsyn has some really good things - One Day and stories. The Gulag is a compilation of the memories of prisoners. The cancerous corps and in Circle One are mediocre things. Not bad, not good - something like "Children of the Arbat." And the Red Wheel is generally some kind of semi-finished product ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 January 2018 13: 46 New
        +1
        The assessment question is personal.
        The question of the writer’s attitude to power, like he loved his homeland, but he didn’t favor the power ... is all subjective.
        Let’s be realistic, the current government has warmed him, and they are enemies of EVERYTHING that was in the Land of Soviets by definition and in essence !!!
        "Love" folk ??? But who really measures it ... how it is heated, statistics is a very ancient profession !!! Time is passing, it will wither away and this not very clean foam!
    4. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 58 New
      +4
      But the writer is mediocre, it is difficult to read his text, the construction of phrases, the set of words is as follows. that the meaning comes very hard, anyway. when you read Pushkin or even such a Soviet writer as Alexey Tolstoy - heaven and earth write in expressive, vivid images, briefly but succinctly.
  19. Petr1968
    Petr1968 25 January 2018 10: 46 New
    +2
    My favorite topic is here))) A bunch of Stalinists prove that they are strong)) Dissenters are fired from their govnopushechki)) A fun topic, always positive))
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 13: 59 New
      +5
      Well, if the Stalinists are a bunch, then liberoids here are generally only molecular traces.
  20. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 10: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: Dimmih
    He loved Russia.


    Calling to drop nuclear bombs on the USSR?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 55 New
      -1
      I watched the video.
      As expected - cheap craft for teens. Of course, Solzhenitsyn does not say any words about "dropping atomic bombs." Instead, a quote from his book is taken out of context. Like Putin’s words.
      Once again I remind you to read at least a page from the book given there, well, at least the one from where the quote comes from.
      An adult will understand what these words are and why they are embedded by the author in the mouths of their heroes.
      Of course, the advice applies to those who independently look at the source, and does not apply to the followers of the opera site. By this, everyone has already explained how to behave and what to say on this or that occasion.
    2. Ragoz
      Ragoz 25 January 2018 22: 05 New
      0
      Altona:
      Policemen, Vlasovites and other anti-Soviet trash were justified by the fact that they destroy civilians and fight not against Russia, but only against Stalin.
  21. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 11: 01 New
    +6
    Quote: Petr1968
    My favorite topic is here))) A bunch of Stalinists prove that they are strong)) Dissenters are fired from their govnopushechki)) A fun topic, always positive))

    ----------------------------------
    People like you come and throw fecal substances on the fan, proving that they have a brain that is not yet drunk.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 25 January 2018 11: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      People like you come and throw fecal substances on the fan, proving that they have a brain that is not yet drunk.

      Well done, well-aimed shot, continue)
      1. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 4 February 2018 03: 55 New
        0
        Drinks r
        Like 50 people already have brains
  22. silikon69
    silikon69 25 January 2018 11: 55 New
    +6
    Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat on, above all, abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly avenge us for our successes and achievements. He still sees Russia as a barbaric country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be defamed, slandered. Many crimes will be attributed to me.

    World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be aimed primarily at breaking this friendship, at breaking off the outskirts of Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything yet. There is still a great field of work. And yet, no matter how events develop, but time will pass and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the affairs and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past. ”
    I.V. Stalin.
  23. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 25 January 2018 12: 11 New
    +3
    From the text of the article:
    ... from the cohort of 18-24 people over the years over 70% have a positive attitude towards Stalin.

    It’s not a fact that these 70% know the fate of their grandparents, who fell into concentration camps in Kazakhstan, Siberia and other uncomfortable for the health regions of the USSR, and simply shot in the courtyards of the NKVD. There are millions of them (I’m talking about prisoners and those shot) ... You can doubt about these 70% (isn’t there a lot? We know modern political technologies), but about millions of dead - everything is documented.
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 14: 09 New
      +4
      It’s all a lie that these millions who died on the conscience of Stalin, these millions who died as victims of the civil war, which continued in the 30s, but not on the battlefields, but by other methods, there was a merciless war between the Stalinists and Trotskyists, relatively speaking between internationalists and statists, between those who believed. that all the resources of Russia should be directed to the “fire of the world revolution” (... I left the house. I went to fight to give the land of Grenada to the peasants ...) and those who thought that it was necessary to build a bastion of socialism in the USSR, as an example for others peoples. And the big question is, on the conscience of whom there are more of these victims, first or second, Stalinists or Trotskyists.
      1. Evgenijus
        Evgenijus 25 January 2018 14: 29 New
        +1
        An interesting version of the interpretation of history, the first time I hear this. But what the priests of the Orthodox were in the meat grinder? They then who were-the Trotskyists? They, the priests, were shot by the thousands. Who has done this, whose will is to bleed people who are not involved in the political struggle at all? In your version of the "civil war" for some reason, then one enemy force was with a weapon, and the other without it. And those who are unarmed, it was necessary for some reason to shoot, because the thoughts were different about the construction of socialism. Oh, how would I not now shot, because I have other thoughts about communism ...
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 15: 24 New
          +3
          Well, yes, all the victims were absolutely "innocent." This, perhaps, from our point of view, according to the concepts of our time, is innocent. But didn’t there be those priests who called not to recognize the power of the “Antichrist” and opposed it in every possible way, didn’t there be such ones who spoke out with anti-Soviet agitation, did they participate in real underground organizations? In conditions when the country was in a real hostile international environment, even the word could be perceived as a weapon (“in the beginning was the word), the country lived according to the laws of a military camp, and this was not just an evil whim of the authorities, such was the reality that made it abandon NEP’s soft policy and move on to accelerated modernization of the country. Yes, often guilty clergymen who were aloof from politics also fell under the guilty, because among the representatives of the powers that be, both Stalinists and Trotskyists, there were frankly ignorant, poorly educated, but through too zealous fighters with the “heritage of the past", or simply disguised enemies who sought to spread dissatisfaction with the new government. Everything was not so simple, now we are all smart and we all know how it was and how it should not. Anyway, there’s a known truth it says, "when the boyars fight, forelocks crack at the slaves," during the time of Peter I, adherents of the old faith who did not accept the new canons, still acted but more cruelly - they simply simply burned them alive with the blessing of church hierarchs.
          1. Evgenijus
            Evgenijus 25 January 2018 16: 09 New
            +2
            Svidetel 45:
            Didn’t there have been such, advocated anti-Soviet agitation, those participated in real underground organizations?

            At least tell about one priest, but the document, until you are convinced. ...
            My wife’s grandfather-priest was shot at 1938 for having opened a church on Sunday. But there was no such prohibition, which means there was no resistance on his part. And on the liturgy, read the Gospel, was it really forbidden? But shot ...
            And now it's your turn to prove your point of view at least with one example, but for now the bullshit is from you ...
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 22: 25 New
              +3
              Well, then you documented that EVERYTHING FOR ONE, who were subjected to repression, were innocent. And my grandmother, who lived in the Stavropol Territory, told me, and before the war she went to church, where services were held, and she celebrated Easter, and they didn’t shoot anyone for this, neither priests nor parishioners, although, it’s true, they painted a caricature of my grandfather in a wall paper for not coming to work on Easter Day. So you're lying rather, although I do not exclude it. that it was possible that there were cases of abuse of power by the excessively zealous employees of the NKVD. And by the way, it was Stalin who first came to the defense of the Orthodox Church back in the year 35, long before the outbreak of war, when he besieged the fervor of critically indiscriminate past tsarist Russia such as, for example, the writer and poet Ivan Poor, noting that for all that, Orthodoxy brought a certain a positive contribution to the formation of the Russian people and the formation of the Russian state, if not laziness, you can find this information on the Internet.
              1. Evgenijus
                Evgenijus 26 January 2018 11: 41 New
                +1
                The archives of the NKVD do not lie, look there, if not laziness. And about the church where your grandma went, is it possible in more detail? City, the name of the church. Very interesting to me. In my hands, I have a sentence of troika for the grandfather-priest, I can send you (from the archives of the NKVD). Do you have any documents on your position? Let's talk facts, documents, not chatter. On the VO website there are enough talkers, no need to multiply various fakes.
    2. Severomor
      Severomor 25 January 2018 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Evgenijus
      There are millions of them (I'm talking about prisoners and executed)

      It seems to me somehow a little, there is no real truth.
      And the truth is she is, the truth about the tens of millions of innocently shot should soon appear. Ten, maybe more, but later
  24. Altona
    Altona 25 January 2018 13: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: your1970
    - I gave an example with the Dry River a little higher. For some reason, the IVS did not give the order "to bomb American bases" (in Germany, for example), but was satisfied with apologies. Even Stalin did not dare to do this - which at that time had the SECOND (or rather - EQUAL) army in the world.

    Quote: Altona
    send 2 Poplars to the US East Coast
    I am even embarrassed to ask: what kind of OI can be after TMV ???
    Z.Y. come out of our reality into your own - and there you can at least pose in the US pose .....
    And here it’s not necessary - here women, old people, children

    --------------------------
    And I’m embarrassed to ask, where did you see TMV? Or does the word "blanks" not tell you anything? The United States does not have a dead hand system like ours "Perimeter". And why are you poking Stalin with the Dry River when there is a beautiful recent example of Kim Jong-un? Well, Stalin did not have reliable means of delivery then, from the word at all. Return from your retro reality to the present, otherwise why is this all? And how will "women, old people, children" care about someone?
    Z.Y. Write correctly, apologies, from the word "fault" rather than "wreath."
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 25 January 2018 15: 22 New
      +1
      And it’s fun to read “historians” who are prototyping a country that has not yet recovered after a terrible war !!! tried to survive after the great loss of population and industrial potential !!!
      With a country that in all wars only "got fat" ... and so, it settled there overseas and systematically brought its bases closer to the principal enemy !!!
      And then let's look after what happened ??? After all, our country has become so strong and managed to become overweight, it is realistic to explain so that Uncle Sam is wrong !!! Uncle Sam then realized or drove him to him, it doesn’t matter, then he crap only from the underwear ... doesn’t this mean anything ???
      Will he now explain to us, prove why ours didn’t hit a striped one ??? When they could, then they punched in, didn’t forget anything !!!
  25. Albatroz
    Albatroz 25 January 2018 13: 50 New
    0
    Yes, no, higher authorities compare themselves
    Flirty a little
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 25 January 2018 15: 36 New
    -1
    Quote: BecmepH
    And even under Stalin, babosos did not take abroad, and in the direction of the Flag, the adversary would not even dare to look askance. The bureaucrats children studied at their schools and his son was at the front. Jack, did your son serve? Have you served?

    Tell me frankly - personally to you, if you don’t poke your finger on the keyboard in a warm chair, but turn the logs in the winter taiga, will it not matter to you whether the babosi will be sent abroad and where do the children of officials study?
    Do you personally agree to this option?
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 25 January 2018 22: 38 New
      +3
      Under Stalin, babosos didn’t take them abroad, the children of high officials studied in their schools, and if he would have had such proceeds from the sale of oil and gas (most of which are settled nowhere), like the current RF, and if he had inherited and sufficiently developed industry and science that the Russian Federation inherited from the USSR, then most likely there would have been no need to turn logs in the taiga, they would have found another occupation, but in order to understand this, you need to move your brain a little bit, and not mutter tales of all svanidze there. Solzhenitsyn and the like.
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 25 January 2018 15: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: BecmepH
    Quote: NordUral
    It’s clear that the authorities will not allow such a correlation in the elections,

    That's right you noticed. But here is how she (the power) will do it? I think the real competitor will be eliminated. I'm not in the literal sense.

    Yes, everything is simple - to recognize a certain number of votes as invalid, and that's all ... sad
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Gardamir
    The order is where man rules. Not elected posts

    How's that?
    If the elective is a bad manager, and if they are appointed (and who, by the way, has appointed something?), Is it good right away?
    Delirium negative
    Quote: Gardamir
    the ideas of liberalism and democracy are false

    It is the “ideas of democracy” that allow you to tap these, huh ... with your calloused fingers ... well, I’ll say “thoughts”.
    Under Stalin, you would have mastered simpler and healthier (and not requiring electricity in the socket) tools.
    Ax, saw ... and broom laughing
    Thickly troll Gardamir wink

    And actually, why did you decide that a colleague would have to master the tools you indicated? wassat
  28. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 25 January 2018 16: 23 New
    0
    Vysotsky is a mass culture. In addition to Vysotsky, in the 20th century, we had a lot of cultural figures much more worthy - these were both Sholokhov and Gorky. So these are some very strange results for me. I think they are inspired by the media, because people cling to what is most often mentioned in the media.

    Dear Andrey Ilyich! Your opinion is (+), but .... it didn’t work.
    You, an educated and cultured person, feeling, knowing Russia and the USSR, have suddenly forgotten that "a poet in Russia is more than a poet."
    And Gorky is good, but Shukshin is better. Sholokhov is beautiful in language, in culture, in character, you can enjoy him, but ..... "Lord of thoughts" is not him. And during the Soviet Union it was necessary not only "My address is the Soviet Union" and "Cranes", but also "..in the clear sky, pierced by bells .." and "A little slower than the horses." Vysotsky as a cultural figure above and Rastropovich and Sholokhov. You have already said that Vysotsky is a KGB project that crowned the city romance and blatata = author’s song. If so, we are grateful to the KGB. Whatever the goals of the KGB would set, “something else happened.”
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 January 2018 13: 54 New
      0
      Vysotsky, et folk culture, his soul and its expression in poetry, song!
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 January 2018 15: 37 New
      0
      Why is Shukshin better than Gorky? With all due respect to Vasily Makarovich, he was not a great writer of the level of Sholokhov and Gorky.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 January 2018 16: 03 New
        0
        I see no reason to compare their work.
        Not prize horses ... although they can be judged not for running qualities, but why?
        1. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 29 January 2018 18: 07 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          I see no reason to compare their work.
          Not prize horses ... although they can be judged not for running qualities, but why?

          Don’t compare. sleep well.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 January 2018 18: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Why is Shukshin better than Gorky? With all due respect to Vasily Makarovich, he was not a great writer of the level of Sholokhov and Gorky.
        Well, I won’t send to school. Just live in this world yet. And then tell me who gave you more. Literature then it gives and a lot to those who want to receive.
  29. Ivan Tartugai
    Ivan Tartugai 26 January 2018 11: 31 New
    +2
    Quote from the article:
    The Russians called VTsIOM idols of the 20th century. The top five were: Yuri Gagarin (44%), Vladimir Vysotsky (28%), George Zhukov (27%), Joseph Stalin (22%), Alexander Solzhenitsyn (14%).

    This, in principle, can’t be, that Solzhenitsyn had 14% and that he should be in fifth place.
    Explicit juggling.
    А Stalin's first place, not the fourth.
  30. Nemesis
    Nemesis 26 January 2018 21: 45 New
    +2
    The idol of the authorities - Adolfik Yeltsin, despite the fact that his people, in the absolute majority, hate and despise ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 27 January 2018 01: 05 New
      +3
      The idol of the authorities at the green bucksik! What a mug attached to him, it does not matter!
  31. looker-on
    looker-on 28 January 2018 11: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Petr1968
    My favorite topic is here))) A bunch of Stalinists prove that they are strong)) Dissenters are fired from their govnopushechki)) A fun topic, always positive))


    I’m glad that those who are still from the USSR are getting old and will soon be gone. And the sympathizing youth is too lazy and stupid to repeat the Stalinist nightmare.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 January 2018 13: 56 New
      +1
      Stupid, dreaming ... and they haven’t written out a lip-wrapping machine yet! It's time.