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Is the "Russian cross" behind? About fertility and mortality in Russian regions

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On the website of the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat) published data on the population of the country and other demographic indicators - on the basis of 2017 year. The first impression is that the population growth continues, which means that everything is in perfect order with demographics. But this, unfortunately, only at first glance. At first and very superficial.


The official statistics from the federal agency is as follows: in 2017, the population of the Russian Federation was 146,8 million, of which 109 (74%) million is the urban population. For comparison: in 2016, the population of Rosstat was estimated at 146,5 million with a population in cities of 108,6 million (the percentage did not change - 74%). As can be seen from the presented values, the population growth in comparison with last year was about 300 thousand people. It's pretty good, but ...

As it turns out, the statistics of the Rosstat are shown already for March 2017 of the year. And, despite the fact that 2018 of the year is already coming to an end in January, the Federal State Statistics Service has not published any updates. It is quite clear that there are objective reasons - data on the results of the whole year are being calculated, data from all regions are being collected. However, this calculation is too tight, given the availability of modern means of automating the registration of the number of births, deaths and migrants. I don’t want to rush into conspiracy theories about what will be considered at least until March 19 2018 of the year - so that before the elections there will be no figures that can somewhat sway the rating of the main candidate. And therefore - no conspiracy - only facts from Rosstat for that period, for which it is, as well as data from regional statistical offices at the moment.

Offhand - statistics for the entire 2017 year from the statistical authorities of the Voronezh region. Why is this region worth considering? Recently, it was the Voronezh region that fairly accurately reflected the average demographic situation in the country in terms of changing the number of not only the urban and rural population, but also the dynamics of the number of Russian population in the Central Federal District of the country. You can talk about other districts separately.

So, Voronezhstat publishes data that the death rate in the region with the predominant residence of ethnic Russians in 2017 was a record (over the past few years) exceeded the birth rate - by almost 34%. So, in 2017, 22365 babies were born, but 34190 people died. It is noted that the month that is the most negative for the regional demography, which has already been the year of January, is 3353 who died in the region with less than 2 thousands of births. The regional statistics service notes that these are the lowest birth rates in the region since 2008. From the 85 regions of the Russian Federation, the Voronezh region moved along this indicator from the middle of the “table” to the 67 place.

Is the "Russian cross" behind? About fertility and mortality in Russian regions


Further - regional statistics on regions of other federal districts. From January to September, 2017 was born in the Kemerovo Region (Siberian Federal District) about 21,6 thousands of babies were born, which is 3,5 thousands less than in the same period of 2016 of the year. True, the death rate for the same period in Kuzbass decreased: the 28842 incident in 2017 versus 29461 in 2016. However, despite the decline in the mortality rate, as can be seen from the statistics, it still substantially exceeds the birth rate in the number of registered cases in the Kemerovo Region. At the same time, Kuzbass remains one of the more or less successful regions of the country in terms of marriages and divorces. So, from January to September, marriages registered 14003 couples, and divorced “only” 8913 couples. Meanwhile, in the Russian Federation there are regions where for several years in a row the number of divorces even exceeds the number of marriages. For example, this is the Leningrad Region and the Altai Territory.

Statistics data on the demography of the Chelyabinsk region (Ural Federal District) for 2017 year: almost 38,5 thousand people were born in the region, which is by 6,1 thousand less than in 2016. However, the indicator remains such that it is too early to talk about the natural population growth. Mortality in the region is 13,2 people per 1 thousand population.

Data for the Tomsk region (Siberian Federal District). The birth rate for the first 11 months of last year is 11,6 thousand people. And despite the fact that during the same period of the year 2016, over 13,1 thousands of babies were born. It should be noted that the Tomsk region is one of those "Russian" regions where the birth rate still exceeded mortality - if not by much. So, during the 11 months of the past 2017, 11276 people died in the Tomsk region. The gain is fixed.

KhabarovskStat data (Far Eastern Federal District): in the region from January to November 1,559 was born on thousands of children less than during the same time 2016 of the year. Birth rates correspond to 13,375 thousand people. The number of deaths is higher than the number of newborns - 14551 people. The negative in the Khabarovsk Territory is also in the fact that mortality has increased in comparison with the last year - by 166 cases. The main cause of death in the Khabarovsk Territory and other regions of Russia is named - cardiovascular diseases. In a number of regions, every third death occurs precisely from these progressive diseases.

Of course, one could also turn to statistics in a number of regions of the North Caucasus Federal District in order to demonstrate a much more blissful demographic canvas, but in this material I’d dare to dwell on the regions presented - namely, those that reflect demographics in relation to the population with the prevailing number ethnic Russians. As you can see, problems to the throat.

It would be desirable to hope that the program, announced by the president, about material incentives for families at the birth of their first child will produce results. Although this is just a fraction of the necessary measures. The main thing is to give families not the only hope of paying for the birth of a child, but the constant confidence that the state is really interested in supporting the family, motherhood and childhood. Although this notorious “state” has not yet learned to have children by itself ... So, here it’s like a “collective” responsibility, with all the desire to push the problems solely onto state officials.

Another thing is that these state officials are more often about support only in words - this is alarming. It is alarming when in individual cities development programs are expected for years, although constant announcements are heard from the screens that, to stimulate fertility and reduce mortality, “oh, how much” is done. But the fact that regional demography is often influenced by such seemingly distant factors, the closure of FAPs and small-scale rural schools, the elimination of small and micro businesses after suffocation by endless checks and prescriptions, the “optimization” of social services, there is often no sound at all. Is that a moo from the series: "it is not us, it is the machinations of the State Department and the result of American sanctions."

For your information: The “Russian cross” in demography is often called the situation when the death rate in certain regions (or in the country as a whole) exceeds the birth rate - in terms of the graphs of two processes.
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  1. dSK
    dSK 25 January 2018 06: 16
    +2
    Belgorod does not lag behind the Voronezh region. hi
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 25 January 2018 06: 42
    12
    Where statistics on fertility in the Caucasus region by nationality ...
    where are the statistics on fertility among migrants and migrant workers in RUSSIA ... what
    1. Volodin
      25 January 2018 07: 35
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Where statistics on fertility in the Caucasus region by nationality ...

      Did you read the article carefully? what It seems to be written in black and white that we are talking about regions with a predominant Russian population.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 25 January 2018 07: 41
        +9
        And read the article carefully?))


        Read... smile but I’m interested in the birth rate by nationality ...
        to what extent do the rates of Russian birth rate correlate with the rates of birth rate of citizens of other nationalities.
        Will it not work out in the future so that in territories where previously the majority were Russians, now for example Tajiks with their own way of life will dominate. hi
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 25 January 2018 08: 57
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          but I’m interested in the birth rate by nationality ...

          http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b11_13/IssWWW.exe/Stg/
          d1 / 04-06.htm
          But not by nationality, but by region. request
        2. Victor N
          Victor N 25 January 2018 13: 56
          0
          Curious! And what will you do? Itself is able to make a contribution or stand at the wall? Or again, "Putin is to blame"?
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 33
            +7
            Victor, you never answered how many children you have! It's just that you blame everyone here for allegedly standing at the wall. So announce your entire list of children! It seems to me that you are standing at the wall! And Putin is really to blame as the president of the country! If it’s not our fault, then we don’t need such a president.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 25 January 2018 17: 12
              +3
              Only two children, unfortunately. But already two grandchildren have hopes ... But we are not discussing personal problems here, but a demographic politician in the country. The problem is complex, but you need not complain, but produce suggestions for solving it. In my opinion, the most important thing is not financial and material incentives at the expense of the government, but the modernization of public morality.
              The financial situation is important, but it is necessary and possible for each family to solve it independently, as it was from the creation of the world. For any help from the outside you must definitely thank. But to demand help and to reproach the person who gives a little alms is categorically UNACCEPTABLE!
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 26 January 2018 09: 14
                +3
                Victor, so normal power should be on guard! To protect morality! Including. And with us the more immoral the better.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 28 January 2018 14: 41
            +1
            Quote: Victor N
            And what will you do?

            And do not worry, and Lech, and I have already done (I have four). And Putin is to blame, because the policy on stimulating the birth rate had to be started not yesterday.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 25 January 2018 08: 41
        +1
        at the level of 146,5 million people with a urban population of 108,6 million (the percentage ratio has not changed - 74%).

        HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS - WE HAVE NOT TRANSFERED TO DR. QUALITY CLASS - CATEGORY OF KNOWLEDGE OF MYSELF (OR THE UNIVERSE).
        3 \ 4 IN CITIES AND 1 \ 4 THE VILLAGE OF RESIDENTS REACHED THE CENTER OF RUSSIA ALREADY BY THE BEGINNING OF 70 YEAR
        Both the past elite and this one did not raise the organization of life to another qualitative level.
        it’s easier in Monaco to buy a house for yourself and chuckle ..foods that cannot arrange personal jist.
        in nature, the economy and philistinism swims.
        not drowned, already good.
        it is necessary to see - how do we get out into the city consciousness by 2025 or remain in the middle class ??? (from 1961 - half in the cities registered)
        number is not enough to move to a new quality.
        may not go at all
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 25 January 2018 09: 29
          +4
          Quote: antivirus
          at the level of 146,5 million people

          A very dubious figure, given that in 25 years the Russian Federation has lost about 12 million people.
          Here about the regions well analyzed.
          https://youtu.be/aKL1vrwOBr0
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 25 January 2018 10: 47
            +1
            Forecast, the population of Russia in the 2030th will be 151 - 154 million.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 25 January 2018 10: 59
              +5
              Quote: Vadim237
              Forecast, the population of Russia in the 2030th will be 151 - 154 million.

              Very doubtful.
              1. Alber
                Alber 26 January 2018 13: 17
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                Quote: Vadim237
                Forecast, the population of Russia in the 2030th will be 151 - 154 million.

                Very doubtful.

                But why? The gates will open and tens of millions of migrants from Asia will crawl to replace the dying indigenous population ...
                And if the Chinas go to visit ...
            2. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 34
              +6
              With the current government will not be for sure.
            3. Alf
              Alf 25 January 2018 21: 58
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              Forecast, the population of Russia in the 2030th will be 151 - 154 million.

              And how many of them will be RUSSIAN? Descending from the mountains and leaving the villages, I personally consider living in Russia, but not Russian.
        2. Dedall
          Dedall 27 January 2018 00: 13
          +1
          Respected antivirus, and what did you actually want to express with your set of words? Even after a glass of evening wine, I could not understand.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 27 January 2018 08: 05
            0
            only after a "big-mouth" glass is understandable (250 gr)
            You will not make the Russian pyramid (arithmetic is the progression of population increase) instead of the cross-- why do you understand?

            in short: the peasant ended in urban consciousness and the structure of life did not happen-- and we are dying out with the CPSU and Ed Ros, since we don’t know how to live and develop.
            the fabric of urban life is not there, has not yet grown together
            the Chinese for 100 and 150 years recognize the failures of their civilization.
            we still dangle little between time and emptiness (centuries of isolating peasants of life and 30-50-max 60 years of urban life) Kokhly moved, like in the 50s (the industrial part of the Ukrainian SSR) to a highly organized (?) city-- and there is no joy.
    2. Alber
      Alber 25 January 2018 08: 02
      21
      Quote: The same Lech
      Where statistics on fertility in the Caucasus region by nationality ...
      where are the statistics on fertility among migrants and migrant workers in RUSSIA ... what

      The authorities in the Kremlin do not care. They ensured population growth due to Armenia’s 5 millionth who once migrated to Russia and Asians. Somewhere in the suburbs, the Kyrgyz bought out land of 20 thousand per hundred square meters and are building their own village ... Not in the Far East, not in Siberia. And the Russian authorities are encouraging this. You Russians go for a hectare, hell knows where, and the Armenians settled in the Stavropol Territory, Rostov Region. Kuban, and the entire Black Sea coast. Where it’s warm. And of course, cafes, canteens, hotels, along roads and shopping malls in large cities along with Jews ...
      1. igor1981
        igor1981 25 January 2018 09: 14
        +7
        Quote: Alber
        fins in the Kremlin do not care. They ensured population growth due to Armenia’s 5 millionth who once migrated to Russia and Asians

        Quote: Alber
        You Russians go for a hectare, hell knows where, and the Armenians settled in the Stavropol Territory, Rostov Region. Kuban, and the entire Black Sea coast. Where it’s warm. And of course, cafes, canteens, hotels, along roads and shopping malls in large cities along with Jews ...


        That’s for sure, weevils are already in Russia more than in Armenia.
      2. nik230794
        nik230794 25 January 2018 14: 23
        +7
        As for the Stavropol Territory, the problem here is not with the Armenians, but with immigrants from the North Caucasian republics. In some settlements in the east of the region, the Russian population is already in the minority. Russian residents of Stavropol have long been openly talking about how the atmosphere in the region is heating up. However, the authorities remain deaf and indifferent to these, in fact, cries for help. When, not so long ago, the Stavropol Territory, together with all the Caucasian republics, was merged into the North Caucasus Federal District with its center in Pyatigorsk, we all were in shock in Stavropol. The resettlement of Caucasians in the territory of Stavropol is at an intensive pace. Despite the fact that most of them are located on our territory illegally.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 25 January 2018 17: 34
          0
          So what to do then?
          Come to help? But we will not give birth to children for you. And the authorities are not for us to choose.
          1. nik230794
            nik230794 26 January 2018 11: 42
            +1
            In the Stavropol Territory, power is not elected by people, but appointed from above. This applies to the governor and municipal officials.
            1. Alber
              Alber 27 January 2018 19: 54
              0
              Quote: nik230794
              In the Stavropol Territory, power is not elected by people, but appointed from above. This applies to the governor and municipal officials.

              Governor Vasiliev, appointed by Putin, seems to be from the Ivanovo region, where Men was the governor, the current Minister of Construction. And Men was the best friend of ex-deputy Feroyan (a road-building oligarch who constantly "miraculously wins" road construction competitions in the Ivanovo Region)
              This Feroyan was friends with Men so much that he opened the doors to his office not with his hands, but with his feet (hands were occupied with gifts)
              At the dachas for all major officials of Ivanovo, Feroyan paved new asphalt roads (of course, at whose expense ...)
              Feroyan was preparing to be re-elected once again, but no one other than his own son Mamo planted a pig for him (this is the name of the Armenians)
              This same son-loafer, like the whole Feroyanov clan in Ivanovo, was rushing at a frantic speed on an expensive typewriter with numbers on registration numbers "404" violating traffic rules in all respects ... However, this time the accident was not made by himself, but by one of his numerous Armenian relatives.
              In their Feroyan misfortune, the traffic police inspector Kharanenko drove by, an unusually principled officer. Having stopped, he offered onlookers to cars blocking the road with their expensive cars (and these were Feroyany’s relatives) to clear the road, on which young jackals took out bits and attacked Kharanenko and broke his head. Those filming what was happening on the cameras, the inhabitants of Ivanovo, these animals took away equipment and destroyed. In general, the essence is this: Feroyan is an untouchable oligarch. For assaulting a police officer and inflicting grievous bodily harm on him, no one dared to arrest the villain Feroyanovsky son. Kharanenko was in intensive care in a coma .. And the parliament of Ivanovo was silent like a fish. The Ministry of Internal Affairs fell silent for a while and only Internet bloggers were able to move things by making noise ...
              Daddy Feroyan brought his son to the investigator on the third or some day, then he was allocated a separate cell in the isolation ward for the duration of the investigation, in short, after some time, Mamo was free, and Inspector Kharanenko seems to have remained disabled after the Feroyans broke him head ...
              After that, Men went on an increase to Maskva, to the post of federal minister where Putin appointed him.
              Where still lives
  3. A.
    A. 25 January 2018 06: 53
    +7
    For Russians today, abortion is not considered a murder, and the concept of sin was not spent by the majority. When repressive measures, fines will be applied for abortion, or better real terms, or brains will fall into place, then something can change.
    If it is not too late. But if anything, the Chinese are not at a loss, the land will not be empty.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 January 2018 08: 21
      +9
      Now, when such righteous people are put their brains in place, then something may change.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 January 2018 08: 59
        +2
        Quote: EvilLion
        Now, when such righteous people are put their brains in place, then something may change.

        It would change if someone aborted in a timely manner. wink
    2. Alber
      Alber 25 January 2018 09: 41
      11
      Quote: Anatolyevich
      For Russians today, abortion is not considered a murder, and the concept of sin was not spent by the majority. When repressive measures, fines will be applied for abortion, or better real terms, or brains will fall into place, then something can change.
      If it is not too late

      The "Russian Cross" is that the Slavic people have been robbed up to the strings for the umpteenth time. Factories, factories that were considered public property were plundered, destroyed and appropriated by a cunningly "God-chosen" tribe. After all, no matter how the authorities and their tame media were talking about at all posts in all areas, and in particular the authorities, the leaders placed the representatives of that very cunning tribe. And now the Jews will sign that it’s IVANOV, PETROV, SIDOROV ... But in fact, the real Slavs were pushed out of leading posts. They began to push back even under Gorbachev, and under Yeltsin they finally squeezed them out of all posts. Moreover, the most interesting thing is that in the national republics the same cunning "purebreds" of Semitic origin are Tatars, Chuvashs, Circassians, Karachays, etc. They are not interested in improving the standard of living of ordinary people. What is going on in the country? Why ordinary people are impoverished, and the "God-chosen" are fading, riding and resting abroad in the Canaries, buying up real estate in London, Malta.
      Everything happens according to some secret, inhuman plan
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 25 January 2018 14: 10
        +2
        Do not look there!
        At the time of Ivan the Terrible or Alexei the Quiet, the people also had no factories or factories - and nothing, they gave birth regularly. They didn’t complain about the Tsar, they ruled themselves.
        The dominance of foreigners is entirely the merit of local authorities - why choose? Or too lazy to go to the polls?
        The nationalities group and support their own. And the Slavs are weaklings, and they are inferior. They sit at the computer and whine, instead of conceiving children and cleaning ...
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 37
          +7
          Victor, well, conceive children! What claudia is matting at the computer !? In the time of Ivan the Terrible there were no such taxes as now, people were free, and life needed something else than now, there was no such rotten liberal capitalism. Yes, and people spit on the king, however, and now the same.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 25 January 2018 17: 24
            0
            I made my contribution, already from my grandchildren bastard. There were many difficulties. But he overcame himself, never asked for anything, much less - did not demand.
        2. Alber
          Alber 25 January 2018 16: 53
          +5
          Quote: Victor N
          At the time of Ivan the Terrible or Alexei the Quiet, the people also had no factories or factories - and nothing, they gave birth regularly. They didn’t complain about the Tsar, they ruled themselves.

          Come back to the Stone Age, invite a wise guy! Why do we need industry? Why modern housing? They lived under the tsar in sheds, dugouts and huts ... Why air defense, aviation, submarines, missiles, right? Have children for yourself on the cold floor, in the hay, in unsanitary conditions. Future slaves, or "cannon fodder" ...
          Under the tsar, what is needed is bread and circuses.
          And in the Stone Age, really, no industry is needed, run yourself with sticks and stones, fight off the alien pithecanthropus.
          The main thing is to give birth to the authorities.
          So the whole world needs a modern industry, a modern army with the same weapons, but do we live in dugouts, eat roots, grass and give birth to children and wait for grace from the rulers?
          You’ll go far to fool the people!
          You need, in Catholicos, well, or priest, brains of people ...
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 25 January 2018 17: 20
            +3
            Horror! How do you have submarines, plants, missiles, children and pithecanthropus coolly involved !! Wait for the kids to start.
        3. Terrible GMO
          Terrible GMO 4 February 2018 16: 00
          0
          Quote: Victor N
          At the time of Ivan the Terrible or Alexei the Quiet, the people also had no factories or factories - and nothing, they gave birth regularly. They didn’t complain about the Tsar, they ruled themselves.

          Tell me why? For half of those born could die in infancy! From any sneeze. The more children, the more workers on the farm - that gave birth. Add the lack of contraception and voila! The situation is like in modern Africa or India.

          Quote: Anatolyevich
          For Russians today, abortion is not considered a murder, and the concept of sin was not spent by the majority. When repressive measures, fines will be applied for abortion, or better real terms, or brains will fall into place, then something can change.

          And I will tell you what will happen if someone thinks of undertaking such a thing. Morgues will be replenished with the corpses of young girls and women who died trying to have an abortion on their own or in secret.
          Poland - the most religious Catholic country in the world after the Vatican, the strictest abortion restrictions, tried to push through the law that abortion would be prohibited even !!! for the rape victim.
          Do you know what is going on there? They go to the neighboring Czech Republic to the clinics, where the abortion is performed, and if it weren’t? How much blood would be in the hands of the authorities?

          Read the book "Criminal Abortion" in the union, the search engine is easy to find.
  4. Loess
    Loess 25 January 2018 07: 47
    +3
    Sad statistics ...
  5. Strashila
    Strashila 25 January 2018 07: 53
    +8
    Quote: The same Lech
    Where statistics on fertility in the Caucasus region by nationality ...
    where are the statistics on fertility among migrants and migrant workers in RUSSIA ... what

    ... and how many migrants left their degenerates in Russia if the president of Tajikistan officially recognized the catastrophic numbers of degenerates among newborns ... it’s there, but how many of them give birth and do not fall into these numbers.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 25 January 2018 08: 21
      +2
      Do our men give birth at construction sites?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 January 2018 09: 10
        12
        Quote: EvilLion
        Do our men give birth at construction sites?

        You wouldn’t joke in vain, but would go to the maternity hospital during check-out hours to see how many guest workers and wives with a child are being taken away. And then on an excursion to the elementary schools to see the ratio of children by ethnicity. And then, for comparison, find out how many Russians are left in Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Tajikistan.
        And if you think this ratio is fair - well then, in every herd there is a black sheep. (Inspired by the Russian proverb) hi
        1. Strashila
          Strashila 27 January 2018 17: 58
          +2
          Does Russia really need such citizens who do not consider it for their homeland ... ??? All of them will have dual citizenship ... on the shit, faded ... there I changed my passport and here again, further dirty ... they are so, purely for statistics ... to reassure officials. As they have been kept since the time of the Tsar-Ampirator ... we continue ... they, like our officials and Russia, in fact, do not see their life ... it makes them so close. Russia for them is a source of freebies ... treatment ... education ... benefits ... pensions ... payments.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 29 January 2018 16: 15
          0
          You’ve never been to a local hospital.

          What are you stupid ... However, for 500 p. To post such nonsense is not even stupidity.
      2. Strashila
        Strashila 25 January 2018 09: 10
        10
        You go to the clinic ... and get an answer to your question ... they’re going to give birth to Russia, and in large numbers ... I worked with one ... so I openly admitted that they don’t have anything left from medicine, the most smallness in large cities ... it’s good if in small cities it’s at the level of a medical assistant ... that’s already wow. His wife was operated on for the first time, the mother saved the child, died a second time, was born prematurely, so in the neonatal center he was lying ... now he is running around. There simply is nothing ... no doctors ... no equipment ... the Middle Ages. So he immediately said that his wife there simply would not have survived, and the same child. He has three of them; he takes them to Russia in turn. With him, the shift in turn live.
        1. boni592807
          boni592807 27 January 2018 17: 24
          +1
          Record Vesti. Moscow. Maternity tours to Moscow from Central Asia 26 651 views https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfEu1piUhwg&f
          eature = youtu.be
  6. burglar
    burglar 25 January 2018 08: 50
    +7
    One of the reasons - the time has come to give birth to children from the 90s ... And there is nobody to give birth to - they were not born then ... Echo of the demographic failure of the times of complete liberal "freedom"!
  7. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 25 January 2018 09: 15
    +3
    There are problems in demography in the Russian Federation and there is nothing to say. But here an integrated approach is important. You can’t give people money for the first, second, third, etc. a child. It is necessary to solve the issue of state money for the social security of persons with disabilities from birth, and I mean not a humane way in solving this problem. Let's honestly look at the reasons for this demography. Why do some women even give birth with low incomes and don’t give honor even with high incomes? The issue of social protection of women as a whole is not well built, the role of the husband is lost in society. The urban environment provides many opportunities for a woman to raise one child alone and at the same time, on the whole, they are satisfied with the current situation with child support for one child, or rather those microsum which the fathers give them, but you laugh, not only the child claims for this amount, and the mother claims for it . And here we come to an interesting question, but what about the situation with the fathers? How is a man protected.? And after that, another question: does a man in this situation want to start a family, have children? Look at the statistics in regions (countries) where the role of the husband is slightly higher than the role of the wife, statistics look better.
    1. Alber
      Alber 25 January 2018 09: 56
      +6
      Quote: Alex2048
      There are problems in demography in the Russian Federation and there is nothing to say. But here an integrated approach is important. You can’t give people money for the first, second, third, etc. a child. It is necessary to solve the issue of state money for the social security of persons with disabilities from birth, and I mean not a humane way in solving this problem. Let's honestly look at the reasons for this demography. Why do some women even give birth with low incomes and don’t give honor even with high incomes? The issue of social protection of women as a whole is not well built, the role of the husband is lost in society. The urban environment provides many opportunities for a woman to raise one child alone and at the same time, on the whole, they are satisfied with the current situation with child support for one child, or rather those microsum which the fathers give them, but you laugh, not only the child claims for this amount, and the mother claims for it . And here we come to an interesting question, but what about the situation with the fathers? How is a man protected.? And after that, another question: does a man in this situation want to start a family, have children? Look at the statistics in regions (countries) where the role of the husband is slightly higher than the role of the wife, statistics look better.

      You carry crap! You clatter and you will see aside from the real problems.
      Who is guilty of the destruction of industry? Who signed the artificial bankruptcy acts? Who gave the orders?
      All these members of the commissions and leaders have a full name.
      This is the ENEMIES of the Russian people.
      The Russian people were left without industry, without means of production, without factories, factories, and accordingly with the Kremlin’s policy of replacing the indigenous population with migrants, they would be left without work, without a livelihood. And migrants will not rebel, resent, go on strike. They work seven days a week, even on holidays.
      This will be the "Russian Cross" and the final solution to the "Russian question"
      There is genocide of the Russian people.
      Try to convince you otherwise
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 25 January 2018 14: 53
        0
        You carry crap!
        At the enterprises do not give birth to children. Normal fathers work day and night and on holidays - anywhere and in several jobs. This is normal, it always has been. The causes of low birth rates are in the heads, in excessive self-love. But there comes an inevitable moment when a person bothers himself, and to others. And having children is too late!
        Public morality needs to be strengthened - any religion provides this.
        At the Christmas Readings yesterday, the Patriarch very well revealed this topic - take an interest.
        1. Alber
          Alber 25 January 2018 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: Victor N
          At the enterprises do not give birth to children

          And do not earn money at workplaces?
          Quote: Victor N
          At the Christmas Readings yesterday, the Patriarch very well revealed this topic - take an interest.

          Well then it’s clear what you are calling to live with the king, but in huts ...
          It’s clear where the wind comes from!
          You need to get a job with Cyril. On bare enthusiasm, without a salary, laypeople inviting, without days off and preferably without interruptions
        2. Alf
          Alf 25 January 2018 22: 03
          +6
          Quote: Victor N
          Public morality needs to be strengthened - any religion provides this.
          At the Christmas Readings yesterday, the Patriarch very well revealed this topic - take an interest.

          Do not drag the patriarch here. First he’ll take off his watch, and then about the moral of the bike he’ll start to poison. Maybe someone will believe.
      2. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 25 January 2018 19: 52
        0
        The problems of the Russian people in their laziness ... It's just that lately it has been called majority ... But in Russian, the dream is to do nothing and have everything. Mass culture is built on this ... Look, this person has everything and does nothing ... but often it’s not so ... the one who has a lot of work usually works a lot ...
        And to be honest, anyway, who exactly is to blame for what we now have and what is not. The question is what to do with it now ... but just the search for the guilty is just the chattering of the problem, avoiding it in the search for the guilty, reasoning would be nice if everything was different ... but history does not know the subjunctive mood ...
        But much has already been said about the policy of replacing local workers with migrants ... The question is why does a migrant for a penny want to do the work, but the local one does not want to do anything for the same fee?
        But in general, migrants are not the main thing in demography ... Migrants in general are not bad if they are assimilated in the local population. The question is why now they give birth a little, and those that are born figuratively speaking through one with some flaw. And the question of why, in addition to beautiful statistics, are such disabled children, in fact, they only increase the already large social burden on the state budget.
        Talk that let's ban abortion is also not an option ... it's from the series "I order everyone to fuck!"
        1. Alber
          Alber 25 January 2018 20: 31
          +3
          Quote: Alex2048
          The problems of the Russian people in their laziness ...

          What are you saying?
          Well, you're probably from the "God-chosen"! Of the "hardworking" Jews ....
          If you or your ancestor stole during perestroika or during the Yeltsin mess, stuffed mattresses with money, this does not mean that ordinary Russians are lazy! There is no need to lie here, we know you "workaholic"!
          Prisons are crying for you!
          1. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 26 January 2018 08: 42
            +3
            Mistake Not a Jew. I didn’t steal. I work every day. I live in Russia, and it seems that it’s not in Moscow, but in the Urals. The average income is 45-55 thousand rubles per month. I drive a domestic car - four. Maybe he could have more, but my balance of free time and income suits me.
            And still I don’t think that the prison is crying for people like me.
            And the argument that since a neighbor is better, he should be dispossessed of urgency simply from his own laziness.
            By the way, here one of these days I visited two of the largest stores in Chelyabinsk and I was surprised. A working day is in full swing, time is not a dinner for the people; who is all these? why not at work? What money did they come to spend? And you say fairy tales about the fact that everyone works. The Russians want not to work, but they want to have everything. And of course, elementary envy does not give people peace.
            1. Alber
              Alber 26 January 2018 12: 46
              +2
              Quote: Alex2048
              Mistake Not a Jew. I didn’t steal. I work every day.

              I want to believe, but you won’t tear the words out of the text ...
              Quote: Alex2048
              A working day is in full swing, time is not a dinner for the people; who is all these? why not at work? Ka

              YOU how from the moon fell? "Why not at work ..." what kind of work if industry and collective farms are destroyed by your "tribesmen"
              In our country, the most modern plants for the 91st year are all sold out, stolen, stolen ... There is nothing, from the word in general.
              Quote: Alex2048
              The Russians want not to work, but they want to have everything. And of course, elementary envy does not give people peace.

              Well, here again, the Jewish essence is rushing out of you!
              I've never envy anyone. I have to ... be traders and money lenders.
              I am sorry for the tens of thousands of good and classy specialists who were trained at universities on budgetary funds back in the USSR and who were wiped out of enterprises into a "clean field" and who had to learn new professions of shuttles and other husks.
              These cool specialists with higher education had to work with new Russian, or rather new Jewish business thieves (former stupid mediocrities who in Soviet times did not want to work in any self-respecting institution) as a servant. Frankly, as slaves ...
              These former stupid mediocrity suddenly after 91 years became suddenly all entrepreneurs with stolen bags of money!
              A simple Russian, Mordvin, Tatar were unemployed, without property and without means of production, with rare exceptions ...
              Thieves were upstairs, and hard workers in der ... ME, without a livelihood.
              This is true?
              1. Aleks2048
                Aleks2048 26 January 2018 14: 29
                0
                I am surprised at you. Fair - not fair. One way or another, the Soviet Union ended, and with it the construction of society on the principle of "from each according to his capabilities and to each according to his needs." Where have you been in recent years? If you haven’t noticed, then society has changed a bit. Accustomed to everything to give you that there was a "helmsman" who will show the way. You don’t want to think in any way, but as you have made it possible, you have set it up and let's look for the guilty instead of thinking and deciding what to do.

                And about the destruction of industry and my fall from the moon, so maybe tell me where migrants work for us, why do local people work day? And don’t tell me that local people don’t work where migrants work because they pay pennies, because migrants are not strange as people are, and they do work for those pennies, and local Russians can only reason that someone has something to them He didn’t give it, someone didn’t undress him and didn’t put it in his mouth. Lazy people. Sit and talk about how good it would be if yes. And something to make the gut is thin. All of you are miserable and miserable, all that is scalded. At this rate, you will not earn anything, and so in poverty and die.
                1. Alber
                  Alber 27 January 2018 20: 22
                  0
                  Quote: Alex2048
                  I am surprised at you. Fair - not fair. One way or another, but the Soviet Union ended, and

                  It was not he (the USSR) that ended, but he was finished ... domons, your fellow tribesmen most likely and people like you ...
                  Quote: Alex2048
                  Where have you been in recent years? E

                  And we plowed while blacks and did not complain about our homeland -SSSR. Whatever it is, but the person always had a future. Do you want to study, do you want to work. There were millions of jobs. I worked and studied. People had no career problems. Children from two years old went to kindergartens, there was everything!
                  Well, of course, I got tired of subbotniks, May Day processions, party meetings ...
                  And so, the common people had no complaints about the Soviet system.
                  And then the villains came to power, turned the country over with cancer, BROUGHT ordinary people, destroyed industry, and what did they build?
                  What system?
                  Slaveholding?
                  For this we should thank you ??
                  Yes, you have to tear to pieces
                  1. Aleks2048
                    Aleks2048 28 January 2018 17: 50
                    0
                    We will be cultural on this site ... There is no word - they stole a word they slipped!
                    Apparently you personally did not study well and you couldn’t put two and two on your own without a guide ... This is just mental degradation, not study. Arrange production competitions not for profit, but for marking with a board of honor and a triple slap on the shoulder!
                    Since I wrote me down in the Jews, these are your problems. Then take a history textbook and it’s better not to strain your brain; take a KSPSS history textbook (since you didn’t succeed with your studies), look at least the names of party workers. I think with your education it will be another surprise for you. :)
  8. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 25 January 2018 09: 57
    15
    My son was born that week! I am 46 years old, my wife 39. were not afraid. We know that we will grow him up to be a good man. The help of the state is scanty. Everything about children is very expensive for money, but love is not measured by money.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 25 January 2018 14: 56
      +2
      Congratulations!
      God bless you all with health and well-being! but one child is not enough, this is a personal experience. Do not delay with the second.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 40
      +5
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      My son was born that week! I am 46 years old, my wife 39. were not afraid. We know that we will grow him up to be a good man. The help of the state is scanty. Everything about children is very expensive for money, but love is not measured by money.

      I shake a hand comrade! Very soon, another child will appear, although also already 45 and his wife 37. Despite the authorities and circumstances, we are raising the demographics.
  9. aud13
    aud13 25 January 2018 11: 13
    0
    In tsarist Russia there were no pensions, therefore people gave birth so that their children and grandchildren could support them. Now pensions, albeit not so large, but allow pensioners to live quietly. But sometimes there’s no use from children.
    I would suggest that part of the pension contributions of employees go to increase the pensions of their parents.
    Then those who gave birth and raised several children would feel that they did it for good reason.
    ............
    There is also an offer for abortion.
    They say they do a lot of abortions, at the same time there are a lot of people who cannot afford a child for medical reasons. So why not combine these two processes?
    One suppose to pay extra for giving birth to healthy children, and the second to help these children adopt (adopt).
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 25 January 2018 15: 01
      0
      Do not shift everything to the state, let it go in a natural way: children, in their own conscience, help parents, childless children adopt.
      The state pays pensions and various benefits within its economic capabilities, no more. If you add to someone, then someone needs to be taken away.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 41
        +2
        Victor, I propose raising taxes for the rich and redistributing these taxes for families with 2 or more children! Also direct these taxes for the treatment of children who collect money on TV by the whole nation. Will not work?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 25 January 2018 17: 48
          +1
          I have both children and grandchildren, I know how hard it is to raise when there is nobody to help.
          But I’m sure that fertility problems aren’t due to income level. Revenues are now sufficient not only for the purchase of junk. Huge money is spent on dogs and cats - pay attention to the volume of television advertising, which is closely correlated with sales. Free will, but when there is enough for dogs, but not for children ...... To send additional taxes in this way - they will also lead a crocodile. And anyway, they will ask for money for treatment on TV.
      2. aud13
        aud13 25 January 2018 17: 09
        +3
        Victor, if you made your comment regarding my thoughts, then it seems to me in vain. If you are not in the know, then from the salary of each of us, contributions to the pension fund now amount to 22%. Here I propose to send part of these percentages to retirement of their parents. Therefore, it would be logical and justifiable from a moral point of view to send part of our pension funds to our parents, as a kind of compensation for our upbringing and education. In addition, there are the following advantages:
        - citizens will know that their efforts to raise children are not in vain;
        - Citizens will be interested in having their children receive an official and high salary;
        - Citizens will be interested in having their children work in Russia, and not go abroad.
      3. Alber
        Alber 25 January 2018 20: 21
        +3
        Quote: Victor N
        No need to shift everything to the state

        The state represented by the Russian government destroyed the system.
        Destroyed the industry. Left our children without jobs, i.e. without a livelihood, without faith in the future. It is guilty of its mediocrity and brainlessness, of the inability to predict the consequences of its actions, starting from the age of 91.
        Having broken the Soviet system, he built something incomprehensible even to himself ...
        Officials, leaders of the Gorbachevs, Edltsyns, their assistants - these Boerboels, Shahrai, Trumps and the current Shuvalovs, Cossacks, Dvarkovichi and others, they didn’t understand a damn thing and didn’t understand what they were doing ... They sat in the Kremlin, seized their death grip on their own armchairs, which were attached at the feeding trough and issue to the people the next decrees and orders from which Putin’s head and ordinary people go round and round ... The country is already paralyzed from their actions, lies on its side ... what's going on with Baikal? The Chinese have not pumped out all the water yet? Forests have already been destroyed in the border area!
        Now the Chinese have taken up the forests of Siberia.
        Quote: Victor N
        The state pays pensions and various benefits within its economic capabilities, no more. If you add to someone, then someone needs to be taken away.

        That's right! To deprive deputies, members of the government, officials (i.e., cut their salaries) of equalization with the minimum wage, let them live as an ordinary resident, or else they would go too far.
      4. Alf
        Alf 25 January 2018 22: 05
        +2
        Quote: Victor N
        The state pays pensions and various benefits within its economic capabilities,

        Then why does the official have a pension 3/4 of the salary, and God forbid the hard workers 20000? There is no possibility? Or desires?
  10. Boris25
    Boris25 25 January 2018 11: 41
    +6
    Gentlemen, commentators, honestly honestly, WHO HOW MUCH CHILDREN ???? And then comment on the demographic situation.
    The problem is that the Man (woman, man, both of them) understood that fewer children are higher affluence of each individual and the whole family as a whole. All are mainly occupied with themselves, work, the Internet, a beer with a kebab for the weekend, etc. children have neither time, nor strength, nor desire. Because children are too much Time and Money that you need to spend on their rearing and upbringing. So everyone thinks, so they WILL NOT give birth !!!!!
    py. sy. I have four children, but this will not save the situation with demography.
  11. Alex66
    Alex66 25 January 2018 12: 44
    +1
    In my opinion, Russia as concrete consists of a wide variety of pebbles that can be compared with granite, marble, limestone and other rocks and all this is connected with cement (Russian) dust, but without this dust all concrete will fall apart. So, as soon as there is little cement in this concrete, the whole building will become a pile of stones, each for itself as Sherkhan and Tabaki spoke. Think about the Russians, you need to think about the harmonious development of all the peoples of Russia, the balance should not be upset.
  12. iouris
    iouris 25 January 2018 13: 40
    +1
    About the "gait three crosses" do not forget the growth of drug addiction. So the real draft contingent is reduced, if the article is about this. Theoretically, with a population of 16 million. (as M. Thatcher had determined) the level of consumption of most of the population can be increased, but practically the country will not be much earlier.
  13. SPLV
    SPLV 25 January 2018 14: 26
    +3
    I don’t know, it seems that the demographic problem can be solved only by cardinal methods, and forcibly. For example, the legislative prohibition of divorce and abortion. Perhaps only this would help in the current economic situation. But neither the authorities nor society are ready for this, and they will never agree to this. Today’s maternity capital is not able to stimulate a significant increase in the birth rate - there are too many socio-economic problems in society. Normally, this problem can only be solved by creating many attractive jobs (salary, working conditions, infrastructure, social guarantees). But for this, many laws must be changed, starting with the constitution. The authorities will not do this, are not capable.
    1. Alf
      Alf 25 January 2018 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: SPLV
      legislative prohibition of divorces

      Well, two will live in an apartment as two predators in a cage. Who will feel better from this?
      A man can then find a woman for himself, and a woman who will like it. And then what ? And two live like a cat with a dog and two others there will be no chance.
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 26 January 2018 09: 09
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        Well, two will live in an apartment as two predators in a cage. Who will feel better from this?

        Better to nobody. But such a step will make you think about your choice. And also immediately think about responsibility for their actions, which, judging by statistics, the majority does not.
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 January 2018 21: 16
          +1
          Quote: SPLV
          But such a step will make you think about your choice.

          Do you believe it yourself? And how much should you think? Year? 5 years ? ten ?
  14. hunn
    hunn 25 January 2018 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: EvilLion
    Do our men give birth at construction sites?

    You wouldn’t joke in vain, but would go to the maternity hospital during check-out hours to see how many guest workers and wives with a child are being taken away. And then on an excursion to the elementary schools to see the ratio of children by ethnicity. And then, for comparison, find out how many Russians are left in Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Tajikistan.
    And if you think this ratio is fair - well then, in every herd there is a black sheep. (Inspired by the Russian proverb) hi

    Exactly! When the granddaughter was taken from the hospital, there were also 2 families of “our partners”, which in Russian are “men belmamayn”. One Huron with 4 children, the second with 5. And this is in Barnaul, but what is going on in Maskva?
  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 25 January 2018 16: 30
    +5
    The authorities have one populism instead of real affairs! And so in many aspects of Russian life. I wrote and am writing that the current government has enough 50 million people to service the pipe and body. All other ballast. Accordingly, in this context, the authorities act.
  16. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 25 January 2018 21: 47
    +1
    Statistics data on the demography of the Chelyabinsk region (Ural Federal District) for 2017 year: almost 38,5 thousand people were born in the region, which is by 6,1 thousand less than in 2016. However, the indicator remains such that it is too early to talk about the natural population growth. Mortality in the region is 13,2 people per 1 thousand population.

    Interesting ... And how many thousands of people live in the region ?! You can compare it with a finger, but you need to get the calculator! .. This is an article !!
  17. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 07
    0
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Vadim237
    Forecast, the population of Russia in the 2030th will be 151 - 154 million.

    And how many of them will be RUSSIAN? Descending from the mountains and leaving the villages, I personally consider living in Russia, but not Russian.

    Enough to say that there will be few Russians. There are 116 million of them, not even 100 years old, so that the share of Russians falls in the percentage ratio of the population to 50 percent, if all the rest of the year is negative. Natural growth, but let us turn to the 2002 and 2010 censuses, there is a growth of Russians from the percentage of the population. Also among children there is growth, in almost every generation there are more Russian people, why? Russian migration in the Russian Federation and assimilation. And yes, 92 percent of children born in the Russian Federation are in regions where there are more than half of Russians, and how Tajikistan can take over the Russian Federation, even if they move with the Uzbeks, they will somehow make up 70 million people. So keep your tales.
  18. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 09
    0
    Quote: nik230794
    As for the Stavropol Territory, the problem here is not with the Armenians, but with immigrants from the North Caucasian republics. In some settlements in the east of the region, the Russian population is already in the minority. Russian residents of Stavropol have long been openly talking about how the atmosphere in the region is heating up. However, the authorities remain deaf and indifferent to these, in fact, cries for help. When, not so long ago, the Stavropol Territory, together with all the Caucasian republics, was merged into the North Caucasus Federal District with its center in Pyatigorsk, we all were in shock in Stavropol. The resettlement of Caucasians in the territory of Stavropol is at an intensive pace. Despite the fact that most of them are located on our territory illegally.

    The only region among Russians in the majority, where ethnic Russians from a percentage becomes together, and in a settled region where Russians are more than 50 percent, is growing according to the 2010 census among children under 5 years old.
  19. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 11
    0
    Quote: Alber
    Quote: Alex2048
    There are problems in demography in the Russian Federation and there is nothing to say. But here an integrated approach is important. You can’t give people money for the first, second, third, etc. a child. It is necessary to solve the issue of state money for the social security of persons with disabilities from birth, and I mean not a humane way in solving this problem. Let's honestly look at the reasons for this demography. Why do some women even give birth with low incomes and don’t give honor even with high incomes? The issue of social protection of women as a whole is not well built, the role of the husband is lost in society. The urban environment provides many opportunities for a woman to raise one child alone and at the same time, on the whole, they are satisfied with the current situation with child support for one child, or rather those microsum which the fathers give them, but you laugh, not only the child claims for this amount, and the mother claims for it . And here we come to an interesting question, but what about the situation with the fathers? How is a man protected.? And after that, another question: does a man in this situation want to start a family, have children? Look at the statistics in regions (countries) where the role of the husband is slightly higher than the role of the wife, statistics look better.

    You carry crap! You clatter and you will see aside from the real problems.
    Who is guilty of the destruction of industry? Who signed the artificial bankruptcy acts? Who gave the orders?
    All these members of the commissions and leaders have a full name.
    This is the ENEMIES of the Russian people.
    The Russian people were left without industry, without means of production, without factories, factories, and accordingly with the Kremlin’s policy of replacing the indigenous population with migrants, they would be left without work, without a livelihood. And migrants will not rebel, resent, go on strike. They work seven days a week, even on holidays.
    This will be the "Russian Cross" and the final solution to the "Russian question"
    There is genocide of the Russian people.
    Try to convince you otherwise

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-more-russian/ читайте, русских в 2020г от всего населения только больше будет, так же можете глянуть микро.перепись населения 2015г. Хватит сказки рассказывать, что русских стане меньше.
    1. Alber
      Alber 26 January 2018 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      read, there will only be more Russians in 2020 from the entire population, you can also look at the micro-census of 2015. Stop telling tales that there will be fewer Russians.

      Read your edroshiy bullshit yourself ...
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      . ...analysis. .. And yes, migrant children are not taken into account and citizenship is not given out for the birth of a child.

      I can give you a lot of such “analyzes” ...
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      In China, low birth rates and greatly increase the aging of the population, we have a younger population than theirs. What the hell is the dominance of the Chinese? Where do you get these rumors?

      Well, everything is clear with you, the representative of Dvorkovich and the mouthpiece of Peskov!
      Yes, you hutspoy own as a card sharpie your tool.
      This is necessary, he did not hear about the Chinese in the Far East and the looting of forests. And now they have switched to Siberia!
      Yes, you probably did Simonyan?
  20. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 13
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: EvilLion
    Do our men give birth at construction sites?

    You wouldn’t joke in vain, but would go to the maternity hospital during check-out hours to see how many guest workers and wives with a child are being taken away. And then on an excursion to the elementary schools to see the ratio of children by ethnicity. And then, for comparison, find out how many Russians are left in Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan and Tajikistan.
    And if you think this ratio is fair - well then, in every herd there is a black sheep. (Inspired by the Russian proverb) hi

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-more-russian/ тут анализ. И да, детей мигрантов не учитывают и гражданство не выдают за рождение ребёнка.
  21. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 14
    0
    Quote: Anatolyevich
    COMMENTARY

    In China, low birth rates and greatly increase the aging of the population, we have a younger population than theirs. What the hell is the dominance of the Chinese? Where do you get these rumors?
  22. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 25 January 2018 22: 17
    0
    Quote: Boris 25
    Gentlemen, commentators, honestly honestly, WHO HOW MUCH CHILDREN ???? And then comment on the demographic situation.
    The problem is that the Man (woman, man, both of them) understood that fewer children are higher affluence of each individual and the whole family as a whole. All are mainly occupied with themselves, work, the Internet, a beer with a kebab for the weekend, etc. children have neither time, nor strength, nor desire. Because children are too much Time and Money that you need to spend on their rearing and upbringing. So everyone thinks, so they WILL NOT give birth !!!!!
    py. sy. I have four children, but this will not save the situation with demography.

    There are studies not long ago that if there were money, then in the Russian Federation a family with 2 children, rather than 1, would dominate. And that is a lot. And yes, the world is moving towards the fact that few give birth and low mortality. This is the norm.
    1. Boris25
      Boris25 26 January 2018 12: 14
      0
      2 and even 3 children-- this is only maintaining the population, but not growth !!! And 1 child in the family is depopulation. And further. Most, reading the article, think that "yes, it’s bad that they do not give birth. But I have two children (or one child), I would raise these. And also buy a newer car, but fishing for the weekend .." "There is a problem in the brain.
    2. Alber
      Alber 26 January 2018 13: 07
      0
      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      There are studies not long ago that if there were money, then in the Russian Federation a family with 2 children, rather than 1, would dominate. And that is a lot. And yes, the world is moving towards the fact that few give birth and low mortality. This is the norm.


      Can it be that Chubais himself, under the name Andonio Mariarty, is pouring bullshit here?
  23. Tamrus
    Tamrus 26 January 2018 01: 40
    +2
    Only in Russia are they called Jews ... and consider it an insult. It’s strange when you consider that all over the world they are called ... well.
  24. Nemesis
    Nemesis 26 January 2018 21: 14
    +3
    The number of Russians in Russia, under Putin, is constantly decreasing, and the Basmachi are getting Russian citizenship, exploding the metro in St. Petersburg and I don’t see any positive in this, from the word ABSOLUTELY ...
  25. akudr48
    akudr48 27 January 2018 14: 28
    +2
    How to solve the issue of population growth

    The post-Soviet power purposefully leads the matter to reducing the absolute number of the Russian people, and also, by encouraging migration, to reducing the share of Russians in the country.

    And she succeeds, villages and small towns are dying out before her eyes, but Moscow and other big cities are swelling. But in them, in these concrete birdhouses, also the Russian people (and other peoples) do not multiply.

    Such cities are a kind of final reservation for the Russians, and also as convenient for the authorities in terms of controlling the behavior of people of the territory with a controlled perimeter. And at the same time - a place of permanent monopoly enrichment of trading network structures.

    It is necessary to disaggregate megacities and give priority to the village and small towns, then a family with 3 or more children will arise, people will begin to fill an immense country.

    Otherwise, those who need this land more will come and simply take it away.

    A new president can give population growth without migration, therefore - everything to the polls!
  26. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 27 January 2018 20: 23
    0
    Quote: Alber
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    There are studies not long ago that if there were money, then in the Russian Federation a family with 2 children, rather than 1, would dominate. And that is a lot. And yes, the world is moving towards the fact that few give birth and low mortality. This is the norm.


    Can it be that Chubais himself, under the name Andonio Mariarty, is pouring bullshit here?

    nothing to say on the merits? Then what is it for?
  27. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 27 January 2018 20: 24
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    Quote: Nemesis
    The number of Russians in Russia, under Putin, is constantly decreasing, and the Basmachi are getting Russian citizenship, exploding the metro in St. Petersburg and I don’t see any positive in this, from the word ABSOLUTELY ...

    ay, there are only more Russians from the population, to help the census of 2002 and 2010
  28. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 27 January 2018 20: 25
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    Quote: Boris 25
    2 and even 3 children-- this is only maintaining the population, but not growth !!! And 1 child in the family is depopulation. And further. Most, reading the article, think that "yes, it’s bad that they do not give birth. But I have two children (or one child), I would raise these. And also buy a newer car, but fishing for the weekend .." "There is a problem in the brain.

    That is, you need to live for children? Do everything so that there are more children, that is, not to enjoy life, but to be an incubator for creating children? Just like animals, by golly.
    1. Alber
      Alber 27 January 2018 20: 51
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      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      That is, you need to live for children? Do everything so that there are more children, that is, do not enjoy life

      Sure! And for the sake of children in the first place!
      And what, for you or something, grabbers-lenders ...
    2. AleBors
      AleBors 29 January 2018 16: 50
      +1
      What does it mean to enjoy life? To drink, eat, sleep with anyone? And the purpose of all this? What will you leave after yourself? A mound with two dates?
  29. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 27 January 2018 20: 27
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    Quote: akudr48
    How to solve the issue of population growth

    The post-Soviet power purposefully leads the matter to reducing the absolute number of the Russian people, and also, by encouraging migration, to reducing the share of Russians in the country.

    And she succeeds, villages and small towns are dying out before her eyes, but Moscow and other big cities are swelling. But in them, in these concrete birdhouses, also the Russian people (and other peoples) do not multiply.

    Such cities are a kind of final reservation for the Russians, and also as convenient for the authorities in terms of controlling the behavior of people of the territory with a controlled perimeter. And at the same time - a place of permanent monopoly enrichment of trading network structures.

    It is necessary to disaggregate megacities and give priority to the village and small towns, then a family with 3 or more children will arise, people will begin to fill an immense country.

    Otherwise, those who need this land more will come and simply take it away.

    A new president can give population growth without migration, therefore - everything to the polls!

    How will he give, will allocate huge money to families? Where will it come from? Or how? Even if they begin to give birth, it will affect the tour market only after 18 years.
    1. Alber
      Alber 27 January 2018 20: 48
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      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      How will he give, will allocate huge money to families? Where will it come from? Or how?

      You and those like you businessmen will take away and give away! But what about? Not forever for cats
  30. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 29 January 2018 14: 33
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    Quote: Alber
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    That is, you need to live for children? Do everything so that there are more children, that is, do not enjoy life

    Sure! And for the sake of children in the first place!
    And what, for you or something, grabbers-lenders ...

    Lol, then you're primitive. You need to live for yourself.
    1. AleBors
      AleBors 29 January 2018 16: 51
      +1
      "You need to live for yourself" ... And what's the point?
  31. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 29 January 2018 14: 34
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    Quote: Alber
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    How will he give, will allocate huge money to families? Where will it come from? Or how?

    You and those like you businessmen will take away and give away! But what about? Not forever for cats

    want a civil war again? You just do not have to work, and take from the rich.
  32. AleBors
    AleBors 29 January 2018 16: 47
    +1
    Material Incentive Program-fiction. They will give 10000, they will take 12000-15000. It's simple, this payment will be equal to family income, and when recalculating compensation and subsidies for housing and communal services (this is like me having many children), it will be provided with subsidies and reduced compensation. And this is a little more than 10000. It is good that my last child was born in 2017.
    So all these compensations are nothing more than beautiful words. And all these subsidies and so on would not be needed if they paid human wages in the country.
  33. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 29 January 2018 20: 36
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    Quote: AleBors
    Material Incentive Program-fiction. They will give 10000, they will take 12000-15000. It's simple, this payment will be equal to family income, and when recalculating compensation and subsidies for housing and communal services (this is like me having many children), it will be provided with subsidies and reduced compensation. And this is a little more than 10000. It is good that my last child was born in 2017.
    So all these compensations are nothing more than beautiful words. And all these subsidies and so on would not be needed if they paid human wages in the country.

    As if many are well paid. Well, yes, only in my city dozens of families have already issued it. Well, yes, in my city 15k a month to ZP, well, a penny. Fiction, you don't like anything. They did something - it won’t help, it’s bad, they don’t do anything - they steal it. The Russian people are the most dissatisfied people in the world, if we lived in Norway, you would still be not happy. MB, not life, MB politics, laws and others.
    1. Alber
      Alber 1 February 2018 06: 28
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      Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
      The Russian people are the most dissatisfied people in the world, if we lived in Norway, you would still not be satisfied

      Speak for yourself - "pleased" ...
      Matsy ate?
  34. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 6 February 2018 14: 20
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    Quote: Alber
    Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
    The Russian people are the most dissatisfied people in the world, if we lived in Norway, you would still not be satisfied

    Speak for yourself - "pleased" ...
    Matsy ate?

    But what’s wrong? In 90 years they wanted that there was enough food, it was safe, there was no war in the country and others. Now all this is, but still whining and whining.