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Media: a column of Turkish tanks introduced to the south of Aleppo to persecute the Kurds

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Turkish Tanks on Wednesday crossed the border with Syria at Atma in the north of Idlib province (320 km from Damascus). According to Al Mayadeen TV channel, an armored convoy proceeded to the Tellet el-Is region in the south of Aleppo province in order to strike from there on Kurdish fighters defending in the Afrin region.


Media: a column of Turkish tanks introduced to the south of Aleppo to persecute the Kurds


Earlier, Firat transmitted a statement by the representative of the coalition Forces of Democratic Syria (SDS) representative that Kurdish troops repelled on Wednesday in the Raju region (part of the Afrin district) in the north of Syria, attacks by the Syrian Free Army (SSA), supported by Turkish troops.

It is reported that the militia shot down three Turkish tanks in battle and forced the enemy to retreat in the direction of the border town of Azaz (20 km from Afrin). According to the statement, the VTS fighters killed 37 soldiers and mercenaries. On the number of injured information is not given.

According to the agency, fierce clashes are now taking place near the village of Himama in the district of Jandaris, where the large defensive line of the VTS detachments is located. There, the militia also inflicted casualties on the enemy and shot down one tank.

Earlier, attempts of the SSA formations to capture the villages of Miranaz and Isk, as well as the strategic heights of Kastel Jindo north of Afrin, failed. Firat reports that Turkish artillery is conducting intensive shelling of settlements in the Raju and Jandaris sectors. According to the agency, among civilians there are dead and wounded.
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  1. Pirogov
    Pirogov 24 January 2018 17: 30
    11
    Hello Kurds and where is your nursing mother USA?
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 24 January 2018 17: 42
      22
      # Trump_Sleep_Novocurdia
      1. hrych
        hrych 24 January 2018 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        # Trump_Sleep_Novocurdia

        wassat good
        Well, it is only just beginning. And the Kurds need to learn from the Hussites, maybe of course the whole thing is in kata, but nevertheless the ladder and a pair of shaggy barefooted the crowd of Saudis and mercenaries belay
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 24 January 2018 17: 42
      +9
      Quote: Pirogov
      where is your nursing mother USA?

      The mattresses, so gracefully “evaded” from participation, that I froze for a moment in mute delight ... Masters !!!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 January 2018 17: 45
        +4
        Well, the Turks ... Barn locks on the sides of the tanks ... And the mattresses showed in all their glory, jumping from a Kurdish steam train ..
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Pirogov
        where is your nursing mother USA?

        The mattresses, so gracefully “evaded” from participation, that I froze for a moment in mute delight ... Masters !!!
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 24 January 2018 18: 09
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Pirogov
        where is your nursing mother USA?

        The mattresses, so gracefully “evaded” from participation, that I froze for a moment in mute delight ... Masters !!!

        Well, why admire it .. I would say scoundrels ..
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 24 January 2018 19: 02
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        The mattresses, so gracefully “evaded” from participation, that I froze for a moment in mute delight.

        hi
        Evaded, but not all. "Someone is losing, someone is finding ...".
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 24 January 2018 19: 07
          +6
          Hello hi What is happening around Afrin now is so unpredictable that I just observe, without even trying to make, forecasts for myself
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 24 January 2018 22: 28
            0
            Well, one forecast can predict 100%
            Gifts from the Kurds - terrorist attacks in Turkey. Of course, they may object that terrorist attacks cannot win a war. But otherwise everything is really unpredictable
    3. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 24 January 2018 17: 43
      12
      This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 24 January 2018 17: 45
        11
        Quote: A. Privalov
        These are not the Kurds

        They also need to be sorted belay or is it the most childish excuse not to help
        1. Anyone
          Anyone 24 January 2018 18: 16
          +7
          But it is true completely different Kurds. Their Americans have never engaged. We tried to dance them in the summer and in the fall. But the evil Sultan Reggie covered the disco ...
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 24 January 2018 17: 54
        +5
        Quote: A. Privalov
        These are not the Kurds. U.S. helps Kurds on border with Iraq,

        Such a friend is worse than the enemy.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 January 2018 18: 09
          13
          The Turks are now beating such communist Kurds.
          (But Gazprom’s gas will go to Europe)
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 12
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Turks are now beating such communist Kurds.

            I sympathize with them. But after they are knocked out of Afrin, they will still have a chance to fight for an independent Kurdistan in Iraq.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 January 2018 18: 23
              +9
              If they are knocked out of Afrin, they will come to the city of Aleppo, where there is a large
              Kurdish quarter.
              And the places where they lived will be occupied by Turkoman who move
              along with the Turkish army.
              Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to the Euphrates.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 26
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                If they are knocked out of Afrin, they will come to the city of Aleppo, where there is a large
                Kurdish quarter.
                .

                Nizya is there, it is occupied there, there is the power of the Syrian government, but it is possible to Iraq.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 24 January 2018 18: 31
                  +8
                  Do you know how many times power has changed in some cities in Syria?
                  Residents removed Syrian flags as soon as the army left the city center
                  to their bases. And they hung up, now green, now red, now black ..., then gray-brown-raspberry, now black.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Do you know how many times power has changed in some cities in Syria?

                    Well, it is not surprising who came with the machine gun - that is the power.
                  2. Maz
                    Maz 24 January 2018 19: 38
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The Turks are now beating such communist Kurds.
                    (But Gazprom’s gas will go to Europe)

                    Are women fighting? Guys, what to say.
                    Our Russian gas to Europe. It's good.
              2. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 31
                +6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to Euphrates.

                It’s written by a pitchfork on the water who will get what there. But for Syria, it does not matter what will be there - Turkey or Kurdistan. For Syria, it is preferable that Syria be there.
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 24 January 2018 19: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: Gray Brother
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to the Euphrates.

                  Oh, I love Bab Wang, especially with a white and blue flag. All they know
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 24 January 2018 19: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Chertt
                    . All they know

                    Rather they want than they know smile
                2. garnik
                  garnik 24 January 2018 19: 28
                  +4
                  Here are comrades from the promised land, Right. Turks do not die for these lands in order to return them to Assad. At least the Turks will demand autonomy, as the local Kurds tried to beg for Assad. I am sure that Assad is not happy with such tricks taking place in Afrin, otherwise the Rakki Kurd would not give the corridor to help the Athenian.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 24 January 2018 19: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: garnik
                    otherwise the corridor of Rakki would not have given the Kurdish aid to the Athenian.

                    If there is a corridor there, it only works in one direction - from Ottudov.
                  2. Anyone
                    Anyone 24 January 2018 20: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: garnik
                    Here are comrades from the promised land, Right. Turks do not die for these lands in order to return them to Assad. At least the Turks will demand autonomy, as the local Kurds tried to beg for Assad. I am sure that Assad is not happy with such tricks taking place in Afrin, otherwise the Rakki Kurd would not give the corridor to help the Athenian.

                    Assad has no options. Everyone decided for him. Further not mine:
                    The Turkish offensive is in sync with the advance of the Syrians in southern Idlib. The fact that we have before us a typical contractual match probably does not cause doubts. The Turks bought from the Kremlin consent to aggression in Syria by guaranteeing the surrender of the territory that was given to Russia and Iran by the Astana agreements on "de-escalation zones". It is worth noting that while the Syrian troops have just entered the Russian zone, limited by two highways - the Aleppo-Hama highway and the railway from Aleppo to Hama. So far, progress has been in the Iranian zone. So far, almost all of Russia is still under the control of militants, and it is completely unclear how long it will take to occupy it. So both the Turkish and Syrian forces in this sense look approximately the same in terms of effectiveness.
                    1. flicker
                      flicker 25 January 2018 00: 10
                      +3
                      Turks bought from the Kremlin consent to aggression in Syria with guarantees of surrender of territory that was allocated to Russia and Iran

                      No, nobody bought anything, the problem is the indecision of the choice of the Kurds. The Kurds were bought by the amers' promises of an independent Kurdistan, but this project is viable only when the enclave breaks through. It was estimated that it would be possible to lay a land corridor from the Kurds to Jordan ... but Abu Kemal was under Syrian control and this buried the chances of the Kurds to succeed in the Kurdistan project. But the Americans continue to insist on this, but for the Kurds it is similar to death, and the death of the Kurds is necessary to the Amers.
                      The Kurds were at a crossroads, everyone was waiting for a decision from them - that’s exactly what the Turks took advantage of (realizing that neither Russia nor the Americans will harness for them now) and decided to completely isolate the Kurds. But it seems that if they do not stop in time, then they will get the nuts themselves. So it’s not a fact yet who will bury whom: Turkish Turks or Turkish Kurds.
                3. zaxis450
                  zaxis450 25 January 2018 05: 47
                  0
                  it will be like that, in Iraq by the fingernail, now Turkey is pushing, and then (after some time) Syria will turn on and there will be a local pi for the Kurds .... Ts! (well, Russia will be an arbiter and in time will submit a peace plan for the Kurds -Syria is one -Kurdistan utopia and a fantastic novel).
              3. Anyone
                Anyone 24 January 2018 19: 06
                +6
                Besides:
                The US stands for a 30 km security zone in Syria. The main topic of negotiations between Tillerson and Cavusoglu in Paris was the operation in Afrin

                And more:
                US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson invited Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu to form a 30-kilometer security zone in Syria.

                According to diplomatic sources in Ankara, the topic of the operation of the Turkish Armed Forces in Afghanistan has become central to the agenda of the negotiations of Tillerson and Cavusoglu on January 23 in Paris.

                According to the American side, the 30 km zone will eliminate Turkey’s national security concerns.


                So, without Russia, now Turkey and the United States chop off a strip from Syria on the border with Turkey. And there, on an industrial scale, they will breed "green" and other Turkoman.
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother 24 January 2018 19: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Anyone
                  US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson invited Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu to form a 30-kilometer security zone in Syria.

                  And what? He agreed?
              4. protoss
                protoss 24 January 2018 22: 01
                0
                well, so the Kurds after taking Aleppo got the Turkmen quarters there, so Alaverdi
              5. Evkur
                Evkur 25 January 2018 02: 04
                +2
                Will not receive, Uncle Edik as a guarantor recognized the integrity of Syria, they will strangle and leave.
              6. Grits
                Grits 25 January 2018 11: 34
                0
                Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to the Euphrates.
                I rarely support Voyaku, but here I completely agree.
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 24 January 2018 19: 11
              +4
              Quote: Gray Brother
              I sympathize with them. But after they are knocked out of Afrin, they will still have a chance to fight for an independent Kurdistan in Iraq.

              hi
              Today Erdogan said that Afrin is only the beginning, and the Turks will go further east until the entire border of Syria with Turkey is cleared. It seems that the Kurds will not have a sweet time. In vain they refused to contact with Russia and Assad, would have legal autonomy (another lesson in the deadline of the United States). yes
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 24 January 2018 19: 36
                +2
                Quote: Lelek
                another U.S. deadline lesson

                Iraqi Kurdistan merged in less than two days without firing a shot, there are few normal military settlements there, but there is an oil industry and there is injustice)))
                Now there will be more normal settlements there))) There will be someone to restore justice.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 25 January 2018 11: 04
                  +1
                  "Iraqi Kurdistan merged in less than two days without firing a shot,
                  there aren’t enough normal war zones "////

                  You, I think, incorrectly appreciated their decision.
                  There is a rule: "do not get involved in battle according to the scenario of the enemy."
                  While the Iraqi army is "hot" after it defeated ISIS, and is trained by the Americans, it is foolish to contact them. For a serious war with the reg.armia must be prepared seriously.
                  The Iraqi Kurds, if you recall, were the first to attack ISIS in 2014, knock them out of their territories and even go on the offensive and capture Kirkuk. (In 2014 EVERYONE escaped ISIS).
                  That is, "normal combat boys" there in bulk. But they want to win, not perish heroically.
                  1. Gray brother
                    Gray brother 25 January 2018 11: 24
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    the first to counterattack ISIS in 2014

                    Then they had no choice, black cut them all indiscriminately. Now ISIS has been blown away and there is no more unifying factor. In Iraq, some Kurds threw others - half simply left by agreement, and the second half was completely unaware - they were drinking tea, dreaming of a referendum and then the Iraqis drove up in armored cars (what a surprise), and they warm them: "Pack your bags and bring down the good from here. " Well, what to do - the snot was wiped off by the Kurdish flag and dumped.
                    Normal posons do not throw their.
                    There is no more reason for unity, each pulling in his own direction.
          2. Maz
            Maz 24 January 2018 19: 31
            0
            With women chtoli fighting?
          3. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 24 January 2018 22: 21
            +5
            And what about Gazprom? And did Gazprom ruin the chapel? Do you want to blame yourself? Why did Israel look blindly at the emergence and spread of ISIS? Would you say your word before and look would there be no such consequences? Have you allowed the emergence and spread of radicals near you, and Russia and Gazprom are to blame? Have you studied logic?
          4. flicker
            flicker 24 January 2018 23: 04
            +6
            Those Kurds, not those Kurds ...
            And if they begin to kill the Jews who live and work as kibbutzim, then everyone will say "ah, these are not those Jews"?
          5. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 25 January 2018 06: 42
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            The Turks are now beating such communist Kurds.
            (But Gazprom’s gas will go to Europe)

            is it these or something:
            To prevent Turkey’s invasion of Afrin, the Kurdish leaders simply agreed to proclaim central government sovereignty over the area. Even the symbolic entry of Syrian border guards there, supported by Russia, as it was in the region of Manbij, would stop the Turks. Moreover, there is no direct connection between Afrin and the rest of eastern Syria controlled by the Kurds. All communications between this canton and the main Kurdish forces are carried out through an extended territory under the control of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA). Even now, when the Kurds turned away from Damascus, rejecting all his offers, the SAA allows them to transfer reinforcements to Afrin from the east coast
            bydnyazki. let them understand, they are independent.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 24 January 2018 18: 00
        +7
        Yeah, not those .. And the airport is not the one .. Which mattresses they used ..
        Quote: A. Privalov
        This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 24 January 2018 18: 06
          10
          Quote: 210ox
          Yeah, not those .. And the airport is not the one .. Which mattresses they used ..
          Quote: A. Privalov
          This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...

          these are the wrong Kurds ... the right Kurds are those indicated by the Americans, and then the Jews will say it !! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      4. Varna
        Varna 24 January 2018 20: 16
        +4
        Quote: A. Privalov
        This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...

        Yes, they have the wrong grenades))))
        A. Privalov, as always in his repertoire - his black is always white. - no matter what the states and others like them do - they do everything right))))
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    4. Herculesic
      Herculesic 24 January 2018 17: 48
      +1
      Obviously, the USA is stirring up some nastiness against the Syrian army!
    5. raki-uzo
      raki-uzo 24 January 2018 19: 36
      +1
      Now, not the Americans, but the Turks teach them how to fly.
      https://www.facebook.com/GollerGullerVeTekeYoresi
      /videos/1529177690465158/?q=g%C3%B6ller%20g%C3%BC
      ller%20ve%20teke%20y%C3%B6resi
    6. Maz
      Maz 24 January 2018 19: 45
      +1
      Idlib, idlib and idlib again. And the weather is full of rubbish. Cold, drizzle and clouds.
    7. Baloo
      Baloo 24 January 2018 20: 23
      +1
      Quote: Pirogov
      Hello Kurds and where is your nursing mother USA?

      Outskirts of the city of Afrin, where US troops were at that time, were attacked by Turkish aircraft. As a result of this incident, two American military advisers died

      Good but not enough.
      The Kurds were made an offer, they refused to remain part of Syria and submit to the Syrian military-political leadership. Now they have a cord. The United States is still silent about the death of advisers, timidly protesting against the actions of Erdogan. Let's see what will happen tomorrow-sanctions against Turkey or real military intervention.
    8. Andryukha G
      Andryukha G 24 January 2018 21: 28
      0
      For the past 10–20 years, the USA has been fighting for its interests not with its own soldiers (since the relatives of the deceased have to pay a pension for a very long time) but using ISIS, Ukrainian nationalists or other paid “zombies” for this (this is much cheaper and more practical).
    9. Grits
      Grits 25 January 2018 11: 31
      0
      Hello Kurds and where is your nursing mother USA?
      At the nursing mother, the milk runs out - you need to suck more thoroughly.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 January 2018 17: 31
    +6
    To chase? What’s it like? With scimitars? It’s interesting how ... Kurds use the mattress weapons to feed the USA and Turks are NATO members with mattress weapons ... well, the USA has nothing to do with it.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 January 2018 18: 24
      +1
      The pursuit
      attack on the retreating enemy in order to complete its rout. The essence of P. consists in the application of fire strikes, the rapid advance of troops to reach the flanks and rear of the advancing enemy and the subsequent encirclement, dismemberment and destruction (capture) of his groups. The item can be parallel or frontal, and is usually carried out by their combination. The pursuing troops move in pre-battle orders, battalion and regimental columns.
      Glossary of military terms. - M .: Military Publishing House. A. M. Plekhov, S. G. Shapkin. 1988
  3. cniza
    cniza 24 January 2018 17: 32
    +3
    Firat reports that Turkish artillery is conducting heavy shelling of settlements in the Raju and Jandaris sectors. According to the agency, among civilians there are dead and wounded.


    Looks like Turkey is getting a taste.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 24 January 2018 17: 36
      +4
      At the same time, Erdogan regularly communicates with GDP by telephone.
      Apparently, the actions are still consistent after all.
      1. cniza
        cniza 24 January 2018 17: 41
        +2
        Erdogan is in himself and can carry him.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 24 January 2018 18: 04
          0
          Quote: cniza
          Erdogan is in himself and can carry him.

          While he acts in the interests of Turkey, everything is completely predicted. Theoretically, the United States can put pressure, but practically Turkey, from the time of the crisis in Cyprus, understood what allies in NATO are worth.
    2. newcomer
      newcomer 24 January 2018 17: 38
      +5
      let them purify one another. this makes it easier for both Syrians and us. Victor, welcome.
      1. cniza
        cniza 24 January 2018 17: 40
        +1
        Greetings Garik! hi agree with Turkey will decide easier.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 January 2018 18: 08
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          agree with Turkey will decide easier.

          And at the German airport, Kurds and Turks fought en masse ...
          1. protoss
            protoss 24 January 2018 22: 04
            0
            What kind of security is there at the airport? What can one run around with flags and scream slogans?
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 January 2018 22: 07
              +4
              Quote: protoss
              What kind of security is there at the airport? What can one run around with flags and scream slogans?

              Tolerant.
  4. Cartalon
    Cartalon 24 January 2018 17: 37
    +4
    In principle, this is good, the more Turks cross the border, the fewer they will return and the sooner they will blaze on the territory of Turkey itself, shorter the death of the Turkish invaders.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 January 2018 17: 47
    +5
    The Turks can now easily strike at the Syrian army! This will be in the hands of the United States, and the Yankees will simply ignore our claims to them, and to the Turks! Now the United States can use Turkish aggression with a profitable for itself - again, with the help of a needle, begin to seize the Syrian lands.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 24 January 2018 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Turks can now easily strike at the Syrian army!

      Why do they need it?
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 24 January 2018 18: 33
      +5
      Not with ISIS hands, but with FSA hands. And this is already happening, since the Free Syrian Army captures territories in Syria with the Turks. The Turks, if they succeed, will leave. But the rebels will remain. And it will be a belt of “light green” along the border with Turkey, and a constant threat looming over Idlib and Allepo. Here are just a lot of local characters who don’t understand this and celebrate the overpower ™ and the epic "victory over pindocs" in the best traditions of the hohlointernet))
  6. bald
    bald 24 January 2018 17: 54
    0
    So far, nothing is clear about the incoming information, "what and where" - do not trust yourself. We decided to solve the problem by war - a flag in hand. It's like alcohol - it won’t solve the problem.
    1. jrvp79
      jrvp79 24 January 2018 22: 31
      +3
      Everything has long been extremely clear from the moment when the Iran-Russia-Turkey alliance began to be created. They classically divide Syria. Kurds were kneaded because They didn’t agree to the conditions of Russia. Judging by everything, they will be squeezed out of the Euphrates and the Turks will stop there.
      1. bald
        bald 25 January 2018 03: 08
        0
        Who shares Syria? ! And here Iran and Russia. Divided by the Kurds, Turkey and the alliance, led by the United States. The Kurds did not get kneaded - this was what should have happened, even if they had not pushed the United States. Kurds need territories with a lot of oil production, and ERDOGAN wants to get rid of “their” Kurds. And on the bill it is very clear, do you believe the incoming information from the local "media" ?! - In vain.
  7. Anyone
    Anyone 24 January 2018 18: 26
    +9
    Quote: Chertt
    The mattresses, so gracefully “evaded” from participation, that I froze for a moment in mute delight ... Masters !!!

    We did the same, gracefully avoiding participating in the "defense of the territorial integrity" of Syria. Will you be delighted?
    1. Evkur
      Evkur 25 January 2018 02: 14
      0
      The game is not over yet, it’s too early to say so!
  8. taiga2018
    taiga2018 24 January 2018 18: 39
    +1
    Quote: Anyone
    We did the same, gracefully avoiding participating in the "defense of the territorial integrity" of Syria. Will you be delighted?
    Reply Citirova

    we simply don’t try to be “big” Syrians than the Syrians themselves, and of course we put our interests above the interests of anyone else, and especially the interests of foreign allies ...
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 24 January 2018 18: 59
      +3
      The most absurd excuse. But it is easier to believe.
  9. Essex62
    Essex62 24 January 2018 18: 43
    +1
    Quote: x.andvlad
    At the same time, Erdogan regularly communicates with GDP by telephone.
    Apparently, the actions are still consistent after all.

    GDP gave the go-ahead for the Ottoman invasion of the ATS? Very doubtful. Why do we need another node and an occupant? Assad may not wave away from everyone and the filthy, hypothetical oil and gas thread in the geyropu will loom again. All efforts on smarka. It looks like the sultan is rushing again in an unfortunate way, it is necessary to upset. GDP should know how.
  10. Diver d
    Diver d 24 January 2018 19: 00
    +9
    Quote: taiga2018
    Quote: Anyone
    We did the same, gracefully avoiding participating in the "defense of the territorial integrity" of Syria. Will you be delighted?
    Reply Citirova

    we simply don’t try to be “big” Syrians than the Syrians themselves, and of course we put our interests above the interests of anyone else, and especially the interests of foreign allies ...

    Well, yes, when the northern Kurds shredded the Daesh, they were extremely necessary and were even considered allies. And when the Turks began to solve their problems with them, they immediately left to the side and now they are trying to show that they are not their allies at all, but the States, since they had been given weapons in their time to fight the barmales, who seemed to be enemies of Syria , Russia, Iran and America. I look, everyone is happy that they shred from their point of view, waste material. People and their aspirations are worthless even when they perished for others in the hope of autonomy. Cool position is obtained. Russia, in favor of Erdogan, once again washed its hands, we say, nothing to do with, it’s their disassembly, and quickly got out of there, they say sort it out ourselves, and we will express our phi from the side.
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 24 January 2018 19: 13
      +2
      Quote: Diver D
      States, since they were once given weapons to fight the barmales, who seem to be the enemies of Syria, Russia, Iran and America

      you don’t have to be so naive, because the main goal of the United States in Syria has always been the elimination of Assad, and not the fight against terrorism, and they only needed the Kurds for this ...
      1. Diver d
        Diver d 24 January 2018 19: 28
        +8
        What are you saying? These Kurds never fought against Assad. Perhaps individuals, but not their armed formations. They defended the territories in which they lived. And after they participated in the liberation of Aleppo and Idlib. Although they are trying to keep silent about this, as victory has its own heroes and they have already been solemnly announced and by the way, it is said that the Kurds participated in it. It is not profitable to mention who, on the other hand, crushed Isil, preventing them from regrouping and retreating.
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 24 January 2018 19: 20
      +9
      I am also amused, as here everyone quickly transferred the Kurds living on the "this side" of the Euphrates to the rank of American allies. When you point out that the Athenian Kurds were not allies of the United States, you receive a statement in response that they, they say, do not understand the varieties of the Kurds.
  11. Anyone
    Anyone 24 January 2018 19: 31
    +3
    Quote: Gray Brother
    And what? He agreed?

    His consent / disagreement does not matter for Russia and Assad. The Sultan is trying to do so now in the buffer zone of security in Syria. The Americans are just trying to hop onto this train on the go. That is, the issue is being decided will Turks and Yankees use this buffer zone, or only Turks. Well, you understand: these are the affairs of Turkey and the United States. They will understand each other - nevertheless, they are in the same military unit.
    1. flicker
      flicker 24 January 2018 23: 19
      +2
      The war between Turks and Kurds will be won by those supported by Syria, Iraq and Iran. Everything else is insignificant.
      But time will tell whom they will support, but the ball is on the side of the Kurds (Kurds in general, not Afrikans or some other ... Kurds they are also Kurds in Africa), as soon as the Kurds declare that they are part of Syria, then receives political, economic and military assistance from the above countries.
  12. Maz
    Maz 24 January 2018 19: 33
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If they are knocked out of Afrin, they will come to the city of Aleppo, where there is a large
    Kurdish quarter.
    And the places where they lived will be occupied by Turkoman who move
    along with the Turkish army.
    Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to the Euphrates.

    This was reported on the day before on RTR. Is there something newer than old news?
    1. Nikolai Passerby
      Nikolai Passerby 24 January 2018 20: 33
      +1
      Quote: Maz
      This was reported on the day before on RTR. Is there something newer than old news?

      This is for smart, not for you ...
  13. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 24 January 2018 19: 37
    +3
    Quote: Anyone
    But it is true completely different Kurds. Their Americans have never engaged. We tried to dance them in the summer and in the fall. But the evil Sultan Reggie covered the disco ...



    I notice that in what kind of discussion you are posting the same information that they are not the same Kurds, not pro-American type .... But what about the following? The Americans reported that they were going to create these forces of about 30 thousand people, half of which will be soldiers of the SDS forces. These forces will have to take charge of patrolling the Syrian border with Turkey and Iraq.
    This news infuriated the Turkish government. President Erdogan said Monday that he would consider these forces terrorist. Turkey could be prompted to decide on the assault on the position of the Kurdish militia by the ONS in the area of ​​the cities of Afrin and Manbij, the recent news that the United States is helping the SDF forces to create new border security forces.
    Source: http://www.bbc.com/russian/news-42730613
    1. Diver d
      Diver d 24 January 2018 19: 49
      +2
      Turkey needed an incident of Belli, a formal reason to get even with the Kurds and for one thing, to establish itself even more in the eyes of the Turks, especially since the previous operation remained inexpressive and faded. This time it is already possible to deploy on a larger scale, along the entire border. After all, the redistribution of the borders of Syria has already begun, and you can’t jump on the bandwagon of the outgoing train at the last moment. On the other hand, how could the North Kurds help the air significantly? Distill a pair of aircraft with weapons? Yes, this is a huge support for the thirty thousandth army, with a cartridge for each.
    2. Anyone
      Anyone 24 January 2018 22: 57
      +2
      Americans can create (try to create, want to create - underline as necessary) Kurdish forces in their area of ​​responsibility on the other side of the Euphrates. Since Afrin is surrounded by territories controlled by the SAA, and where it is not surrounded, it borders on Turkey, the United States, with all its desire, cannot technically create anything there. For this, the operation "Shield of the Euphrates" was carried out by the Turks.
  14. Maz
    Maz 24 January 2018 19: 41
    0
    Quote: Diver D
    Quote: taiga2018
    Quote: Anyone
    We did the same, gracefully avoiding participating in the "defense of the territorial integrity" of Syria. Will you be delighted?
    Reply Citirova

    we simply don’t try to be “big” Syrians than the Syrians themselves, and of course we put our interests above the interests of anyone else, and especially the interests of foreign allies ...

    Well, yes, when the northern Kurds shredded the Daesh, they were extremely necessary and were even considered allies. And when the Turks began to solve their problems with them, they immediately left to the side and now they are trying to show that they are not their allies at all, but the States, since they had been given weapons in their time to fight the barmales, who seemed to be enemies of Syria , Russia, Iran and America. I look, everyone is happy that they shred from their point of view, waste material. People and their aspirations are worthless even when they perished for others in the hope of autonomy. Cool position is obtained. Russia, in favor of Erdogan, once again washed its hands, we say, nothing to do with, it’s their disassembly, and quickly got out of there, they say sort it out ourselves, and we will express our phi from the side.

    Capitalism and nothing personal. The main thing is not our territory. And for the stupidity and greed, the Kurds must pay their price.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 24 January 2018 22: 13
      +1
      If only those who solved issues with the Americans. A simple population rakes, instead of those who messed up.
  15. Maz
    Maz 24 January 2018 19: 44
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...

    Who left to their own devices, can I clarify?
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 24 January 2018 20: 56
      +5
      Quote: Maz
      Quote: A. Privalov
      This is not the Kurds. The United States helps the Kurds on the border with Iraq, and these have left everything to the mercy of fate ...

      Who left to their own devices, can I clarify?

      Russian, because they don’t need extra hemorrhoids, and today the Turks are their friends. Assad, because he is afraid of them because of demands to create autonomy, and the Turks, he believes, will trample the Kurds there a bit. Americans because these are Kurds-communoids and help them zapadlo. Here, something like that - short and a bit primitive, but gives a general idea.
  16. Diver d
    Diver d 24 January 2018 19: 59
    +3
    Quote: Maz
    Capitalism and nothing personal. The main thing is not our territory. And for the stupidity and greed, the Kurds must pay their price.

    They pay their price, and know the price of alliance with those who abandoned them. And this is a science for others with whom you need to be and remain allies.
  17. DPN
    DPN 24 January 2018 20: 09
    +3
    It’s a dark matter, we should at least preserve the base, and then whatever happens. Turks can throw out focus at any moment and put on shoes in full.
  18. Varna
    Varna 24 January 2018 20: 20
    +3
    In general, let it be chopped between the Kurds and the Turks - at least for once we can look from the side - still no one is sorry, neither the first nor the second.
  19. Nikolai Passerby
    Nikolai Passerby 24 January 2018 20: 38
    +1
    Athens Kurds have many anti-tank grenade launchers. For Turkish tankers there will be no easy walk ... Although, let's see ...
  20. high
    high 24 January 2018 20: 40
    0
    A YPG Kurdish militia bulletin states: "203 Turkish soldiers and pro-Turkish militants, including four faction commanders, were killed."
    The Kurdish militias estimated their losses in the last day at three people. In addition, as a result of the bombing, six civilians were killed and 16 were injured.

    In the evening of January 24, the border areas of Turkey were rocket fired from Syrian Afrin. One of the missiles hit a mosque in the city of Kilis. One person died and eight more were injured.

    Another rocket hit a residential building, located about a hundred meters from the mosque. The house started a fire. Five people were injured in smoke poisoning, governor of the province Kilis Mehmet Tekinarslan said.
  21. Nikolai Passerby
    Nikolai Passerby 24 January 2018 21: 39
    +5
    The Turkish offensive is developing sluggishly. In heavy weapons, the Turks have an advantage, + aviation, but there is no pace. Still, the Americans managed to play well on Erdogan’s ambitions, drawing him directly into the war ... Now the Americans can only watch the occupying forces of Turkey, Iranians and Russia begin to divide Syria. The clash of interests of the entire occupation trinity will begin very soon. All that remains is to toss firewood into the fire ... And behind the omega itself there remain the richest oil fields and power plants along Efrat, and the whole territory east of this river. As Shoigu himself stated at the end of last summer - like, "the civil war in Syria is over" ??! ... Well, well ...
  22. Mentat
    Mentat 24 January 2018 22: 01
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If they are knocked out of Afrin, they will come to the city of Aleppo, where there is a large
    Kurdish quarter.
    And the places where they lived will be occupied by Turkoman who move
    along with the Turkish army.
    Turkey will receive the entire north of Syria - from the borders of Latakia to the Euphrates.

    What naive ideas. Strengthening Turkey does not need anyone. Generally no one (except maybe Azerbaijan). Therefore, with the development of the situation even presumably in this vein, the same United States will again be in the forefront of the “right Kurds” shaking hands amid the unloading of “material and military-technical assistance”.
    Turkey will not be able to capture profitable transport routes and oil-bearing regions, at least on a long-term basis. Not a senny cap. Moreover, if Turkey starts to work out something like this, this will mean the approach of big women in Turkey itself. If the Turks think they have more money than the United States, they are obviously mistaken.
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 24 January 2018 22: 44
    0
    It is reported that the militia killed three Turkish tanks in battle and forced the enemy to retreat in the direction of the border city of Aazaz

    As I wrote earlier: Turks still ... swallow dust.
  24. flicker
    flicker 25 January 2018 00: 45
    +2
    In order for such a serious project as Kurdistan to be realized, no less serious and deep foundations are needed - an independent Kurdistan, oddly enough, most likely can arise in Turkey and instead of Turkey.
  25. A.Kaledin
    A.Kaledin 25 January 2018 07: 54
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    voyaka uh
    11 voyaka uh New ↑  
    Yesterday, 18: 09
    Turks are now beating these Kurds-Communists

    Oh, I see a new training manual in action!
  26. FLOOD
    FLOOD 25 January 2018 08: 49
    0
    Quote: Shurik70
    Well, one forecast can predict 100%
    Gifts from the Kurds - terrorist attacks in Turkey. Of course, they may object that terrorist attacks cannot win a war. But otherwise everything is really unpredictable

    The purpose of the operation is to close the border with Syria and Iraq, from where Kurdish terrorist groups import weapons and explosives into Turkey. Terrorist attacks in Turkey have been taking place for more than 30 years. People going for walks to parks and squares as families are sometimes divided into two groups in order to avoid the death of the whole family in a possible terrorist attack. I regret that many forum users are only superficially aware of the situation and do not have solid information.
  27. FLOOD
    FLOOD 25 January 2018 08: 55
    +1
    Quote: Chertt
    Quote: A. Privalov
    These are not the Kurds

    They also need to be sorted belay or is it the most childish excuse not to help

    Correctly Privalov says ... Turkish, Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian Kurds (even those from the post-Soviet republics) are very different from each other in both dialect and religion and mentality. In many cases, they do not even get along with each other and carry this enmity from generation to generation. The most educated, advanced, and civilian representatives come from the former USSR and Turkey.
  28. FLOOD
    FLOOD 25 January 2018 09: 01
    0
    Quote: Maz
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The Turks are now beating such communist Kurds.
    (But Gazprom’s gas will go to Europe)

    Are women fighting? Guys, what to say.
    Our Russian gas to Europe. It's good.

    And the Russian special services and troops fought a little against such women? Or do you recall Nord Ost and Beslan?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 January 2018 11: 21
      +3
      I understand that the Kurds are not Winnie the Pooh. And terrorist
      I do not condone the actions of their Workers' Party.
      But in this case, the war looks like this: Turkey (Islamists) attacked
      to the Kurds (communists who, incidentally, only recently fought with ISIS).
      While Turkey was a secular "Turkey Ataturk", there was an understandable legitimation of the fight against terrorism.
      No one sympathized with the Kurds.
      When Erdogan “unfurled the banner” of political Islamism, Turkey’s operation looks different.