Klintsevich: A year of military service is nothing

At the hearings in the lower house of parliament of the Russian Federation, a very resonant statement was made regarding military service in conscription. The representative of the Federation Council, Frants Klintsevich, who was invited to the hearings at the State Duma of the Russian Federation, made this statement. Recall that Franz Klintsevich is the first deputy head of the Federation Council committee on defense and security.

Klintsevich said that a one-year service life in a modern army is not enough to master the MAS and master modern weapons.

Ведомости give the phrase uttered by the senator:

Service in the Armed Forces for one year is nothing, and it is impossible to provide reliable personnel. The decision from 2008 of the year to switch to a one-year service life was the result of a political conjuncture and an externally imposed tendency to reduce the combat readiness of the Russian Armed Forces.

In addition, Klintsevich appealed to the State Duma deputies with a proposal to support the draft law on pre-draft and off-arms training in Russia.

According to Klintsevich, this bill is ultimately extremely important for the country in terms of a one-year conscription term.

Comments

[The black]

Klintsevich: A year of military service is nothing

And what? ... For a young man to have a concept about the army - enough. In order for him to become a specialist - about 5 years are necessary (minimum). For this, there is a contract army.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Black

So what?

When the king 25 years was like. There is something to strive for.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

When the king 25 years was like. There is something to strive for.

My father served 63 years in the missile forces in 3. Then the sailors served 4 years. And no one died, and the girls waited.

[Shurik70]

3 years bust. A year is enough.
Ordinary fighter why thoroughly study the VUS for the master? Everyone learned the same Morse code for 3rd grade with me in a couple of months (1988th year, a group of 26 people of different nationalities), to achieve further growth only by practice. In the case of mobilization for any one, he will not immediately remember everything, either to re-learn, or an automatic machine in his hands and forward. How to pull the trigger, anyone knows.
Well, rockets, planes - here contract soldiers are needed, a contract for 5 years.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Shurik70

3 years bust. A year is enough.

As I said below, in a year a soldier will only shoot a bit from the AK and at the exit the army will get good, high-quality cannon fodder. Example of APU and boilers in the Donbass did not teach anything?

[Shurik70]

If to build summer cottages for the generals, and for the whole year to shoot 10 rounds, then 25 years is not enough.
But if at least once a week for half a day, paintball in real conditions under the guidance of experienced mentors, and at least half a year zinc at the shooting range, then a year is enough.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Shurik70

But if at least once a week for half a day, paintball under the guidance of experienced mentors, then quite a year is enough.

Yeah ... say paintball? And the march of throws with a full calculation, exercises, passing standards, exercises close to combat, is this all replacing running around with paint? And let's not bother and stupidly put conscripts behind computer monitors and turn on them a game with shooting zombies?

[Shurik70]

Well, a week is more than one day. The fighter should not have much free time.
So paintball, physical training, shooting training, mastery of the VUS. Everything is important. But the normal commander himself will give physical training to the fighters, but the rest without funding and instructions will not be on top.
And paintball is not only shooting with paint. This is primarily the interaction in a team in conditions close to combat. A well-coordinated team will tear any crowd of singles

[NEXUS]

Quote: Shurik70

So paintball, physical training, shooting training, mastery of the VUS.

Today, many draftees are not able to catch up even ten times, where can they pass, for example, TRP standards, even modern ones, let alone 40 years ago. War is not running around with masked paint balls. And if we prepare fighters by dragging them in a game of paintball, then at the exit, at the very first battle, such fighters will fluidly go under themselves and not fight.
And in this regard, I remember my ensign, God grant him health ... he said, IF YOU ARE SCARY, Squeeze the YEARS IN THE FIST, TURN THE SHUTTER AND KEEP THE FRONT, MOTHER YOUR WONDERFUL!

[barsuk]

IF YOU ARE SCARY, CLICK THE EGGS IN THE FIST, BURN THE SHUTTER AND HOLD THE FRONT, MOTHER YOUR WONDERFUL!
They only taught how to squeeze eggs into a fist?)))

[NEXUS]

Quote: barsuk

They only taught how to squeeze eggs into a fist?)))

Do you think that everything is fine with humor? I’m grieving you, everything with humor is very, very hu ... bad.

[Alf]

Quote: barsuk

They only taught how to squeeze eggs into a fist?)))

Who hurts something ...

[Dedall]

Dear you are ours, Shurik70 , the army in the broadest sense of the word, is not a scout squad with slingshot post-shootings. As the aiki-do masters say, "If a master enters a duel, then this is not a master." If you attach these words to our army, that if the soldiers engage in hand-to-hand combat, then this is the general’s mistake. The enemy must be beaten from afar, but for this you need a fighter well-versed in military equipment. And how will he master it if modern soldiers do not have basic knowledge of electrical engineering, chemistry, and mathematics. And in this case, we’ll apply the “drag-and-drop” method, proven for centuries. As they once said, "If you don’t know, we will teach, if you don’t want to, we will force it!" It just took just those same 2 years.

[tochila]

Paintball is a war game !!!

[Separ]

There are not so many generals, most of the soldiers did not see them live ..

[zivXP]

For a year, you can train a soldier, a specialist - it is already more difficult, although it is quite in some specialties. Putting a parachute for example needs training for a whole week, this is for completely stupid. And you can sit in the smoking room for months. There is of course a technique that is difficult to operate, and here contractors are needed.

[tolyasik0577]

Example of APU and boilers in the Donbass did not teach anything?

We were trained for half a year after conscription and then to Chechnya. The boilers, as you say, are not from fighters but from commanders. Believe me, for half a year I learned how to shoot and throw a grenade, and dig in. And the rest of our free time, we together poured grass along the paths and on the lawns, and on farm work. A year-time is sufficient for the training of motorized riflemen and other “bring it for me.” With the Airborne Forces and Special Forces, a clear matter of time needs more. Well, let the contractors do this.

[NEXUS]

Quote: tolyasik0577

we were trained for half a year after conscription and then to Chechnya

And in Chechnya, such "trained" fighters died in packs, so then the draft contingent was changed to contract soldiers in Chechnya.

Quote: tolyasik0577

A year-time is sufficient for the training of motorized riflemen and other “bring it for me.”

Have you ever thought about numbers - the number of mobilization forces of countries? Here we have about 20 million, but let’s say in the USA it’s 2 million and that’s not a fact that they will gain.

[tolyasik0577]

we did not die there in batches. Don 100 was pretty well prepared. The service was for 1.5 years. But suddenly the fitted BONs were poorly trained. Remember what the old people said, two horns per brother three times during the entire service. We had losses, but this is war. And not yesterday’s schoolchildren opposed us, but many men sincerely defended their home. And the fact that the information was leaked, and here you have the "Not Combat" losses when the columns were simply shot like puppies from an ambush. And Afghanistan has been serving there for 2 years. And all one-loss.

[roskot]

No need to shag grandmother. In two months, neither floors nor a guard can be mastered properly. They served. know.

[vinni puk]

Contractors will be mowed down in 2-3 months. What's next?

[Grandfather]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

When the king 25 years was like. There is something to strive for.

My father served 63 years in the missile forces in 3. Then the sailors served 4 years. And no one died, and the girls waited.

Dad in Reutovo served in 59-62, the second issue of PR-3years, everything was as it should, came, mom waited, I was “designed” right away ... I have the year of release-63.

[raw174]

Quote: NEXUS

and the girls were waiting.

In 63 maybe they waited, now they won’t wait from a business trip)))))
And if in the case, then my opinion is this: you need to develop pre-conscription training, return the NVP and develop DOSAAF! And a year is enough to learn the basics of the charter, to understand what the army is, to learn how to use small arms, to know your place in the ranks / units. Like it - go to a contract, no - go to a civilian, something you have been trained and received a skill.

[NEXUS]

Quote: raw174

Like it - go to a contract, no - go to a civilian, something you have been trained and received a skill.

Skill, say ... well, let's take the Donbass. People who have gone 2-3 years of military service have taken up arms and defended their land. And what would these “learned skills” defend in those conditions?

[raw174]

Quote: NEXUS

And what would these “skill-acquired" defend in those conditions?

Exactly the same thing, in these conditions the main thing is motivation. To learn how to shoot well, you need only 1 thousand rounds to protect your home, all you need is the MEN, when you press, we will learn how to fight.

[NEXUS]

Quote: raw174

in order to protect your home, all you need is MEN, when he presses, we will learn how to fight.

Well, yes ... that’s why they said in the USSR that a young man who had passed the “school of life” became a man. And if this draftee in his entire short life, except for a mouse and clubs, did not see anything, and hangs on a horizontal bar like a worm with incontinence, then it is unrealistic to make a man out of such a body in a year, even if you are three times Makarenko.

[SlavaS]

Well, it depends on how many years, after 30 it’s really hard.

[faridg7]

Quote: raw174

when pressed, we learn how to fight.

Do you have time to learn when you press? But it will press ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: faridg7

Do you have time to learn when you press? But it will press ...

And here are two different approaches to the service. The response of the Kremlin cadets to the video that was shot by the Ulyanovsk cadets of the flight school ... think about it later ..

[faridg7]

What can I say, Well done Kremlin, in the case. When I saw the Ulyanovsk, I thought what kind of wiring, but no. It was furious that someone else was thinking what to do with them. There’s nothing to think there, they can’t trust people and equipment.

[SlavaS]

in 63 and Abramovich was not, do not equal old to new

[a.sirin]

How much did they themselves serve?
Still interesting - where

[OlegV]

It would be nice to serve an urgent term for two years, but that's how the tribe is serving now, and years "behind the eyes"
In the spring on a demobilization, but she really doesn’t know how to drill a drill, she doesn’t know the discipline and drill charter; Yes, go to the internal outfits., Well, the winter is still not very snowy, in the Moscow Region .....

[Maz]

Let his children give for two years. Good example will show. Contractor, only a contract. A conscript is a commander’s headache without pre-conscription training.

[raw174]

Quote: Maz

Contractor, only a contract. A conscript is a commander’s headache without pre-conscription training.

Well, it's too much! An urgent need! The contract army will not protect the fatherland, for luck will quickly grow into a bunch of soldiers ... For money you can kill, drive Papuans in the desert, but no one wants to die for money, here you need for the fatherland ... In which case reservists are needed, here they are that is, former conscripts.

[SlavaS]

What is a fatherland, in a country in which there is not even an idea why people live

[raw174]

Quote: SlavaS

What is a fatherland, in a country in which there is not even an idea why people live

Fatherland is where you were born, where your ancestors lived and children will live, where is your house (not in terms of living space, but in terms of sensation). In the Second World War, people fought not for the idea, not for the CPSU and Stalin, not for communism, they fought for their home, for families, for relatives. This is the only motivation that can throw a person to certain death.

[SlavaS]

They fought for their homeland, and for a brighter future, now they can’t see this bright future at all, only taxes and unjust requisitions, maybe people live only in Moscow and St. Petersburg, they simply exist in other places.

[rocket757]

The governments are leaving, passing, and the Homeland remains ALWAYS!

[raw174]

Quote: SlavaS

They fought for their homeland

And she did not go anywhere, Motherland!

Quote: SlavaS

now this bright future is not to be seen at all

You are a pessimist, however ... Look forward more confidently, in the end we ourselves make our life what it is.

Quote: SlavaS

in other places they simply exist.

I live in the "other places", do not complain ... As I can, I live. Yes, a house on a mortgage - it seems not good, but literally a month ago it refinanced, the payment fell + mat. capital - good, but stress is sometimes at work - not good, but the place turned up (friends suggested), settled down (s / n 21 tr) - well, there is a car (Priora is not old, 4 years), there is food, a garden he set his own, a greenhouse in the fall, an economy (pigs, bull, goat, birds ...), the third wife is pregnant, I think that we live not bad. You need to be more positive, comrade! Stop snot!

[SlavaS]

if you look further, now is the age of Kali, and only the very beginning, so we still live well!
I went to Greece in the fall, and was surprised by food prices — are they less than those in Russia ?? why so in the largest country? why is there such a shortage?

[raw174]

Quote: SlavaS

why is there such a shortage?

Why lack? Who is starving because of the inability to buy food?

Quote: SlavaS

food prices - are they less than in Russia ?? why so in the largest country?

prices do not depend on the size of the country ... I don’t know how it is now, but in the domesticated Ukraine, in the Crimea, the products were 2-3 times cheaper than in Russia, and s / n 2 t. hryvnia was considered good, in general, the level life was lower than ours. In Kazakhstan, and now the bread is 10-15 rubles. worth, at 18-20 p. everything else is cheaper here, people are chasing clothes there, but people really live poorer ... Prices are not an indicator of living standards.

[ASDik37]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

Quote: Black

So what?

When the king 25 years was like. There is something to strive for.

Under the king, the call to the service was not individual, but communal, i.e. not everyone was supposed to do military service, but how much the state needed - the required number of recruits from the community or region was indicated.

[Thrall]

Army soldiers are needed, in an army without soldiers absurdity and corruption

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Thrall

Army soldiers are needed,

- And what in 1 year the army will receive from the conscript? School NVP must be reinstated, and the service must be at least two years old. We are ONE, there are no allies, the territory is huge. And soon the water will be worth its weight in gold! If we do not take an example from Israel, where the whole country is under arms, all of us will be muzzled on the asphalt!

[NEXUS]

Quote: oldseaman1957

- And what will the army receive in 1 year?

How's that? Cannon meat.

[Dead duck]

Quote: oldseaman1957

If we do not take an example from Israel,

forgot about Switzerland.
Unfortunately, many forgot about them ...
the mercenaries were noble.

Quote: oldseaman1957

School NVP must be reinstated

it happens now ... even on TV in the news they show how they bravo for a while disassembling the machine ... but with gross violations

[weksha50]

Quote: Deadush

forgot about Switzerland.
Unfortunately, many forgot about them ...
the mercenaries were noble.

The Swiss reserve system NOBODY in the Duma and the government will not allow in Russia to create ...
Is it a joke - at home, in the closet - the reservist has everything necessary for the battle ... 45 seconds dressed, arms in hand, and - ready for battle ...
Yes, and retraining exercises they regularly conduct ... So it’s sinful to laugh at THEIR combat training ... Small spool, yes daring, or - in Swiss - expensive ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: weksha50

The Swiss reserve system NOBODY in the Duma and the government will not allow in Russia to create ...

I'm talking about the fact that not only in Israel such a system

[Grandfather]

Quote: oldseaman1957

- And what in 1 year the army will receive from the conscript?

it will teach you how to wipe your ass, make your bed, wash your socks (footcloths earlier) to answer for words, do what you ordered, and not send everyone to ...., and so on, the army teaches a lot.

[raw174]

Quote: oldseaman1957

And what in 1 year the army will receive from the conscript?

The army is numerically, but the question is not posed correctly, that’s what the conscript will receive from the army — this is the question. For a year he will get the basics and understanding of the service.
In the case of a major war, when reservists are required, there will be no difference between those who served a year and two. All who do not fall immediately will learn to fight very quickly.

[Separ]

But many will fall in the early days ...

[raw174]

Quote: Separ

But many will fall in the early days ...

Moreover, even among those who served 2 and 3 years, the term will not play a decisive role.

[kepmor]

the more recruits, the higher the corruption ... you don’t really send the contractor “left” ...

[Per se.]

Quote: kepmor

the more recruits, the higher the corruption ...

Corruption does not come from conscription, and is not treated by a contract. If there is a Constitution, then the defense of one’s Fatherland, as a constitutional duty, should be obligatory for all, in what capacity, in what place, for how long, and this should be determined first of all. It is not enough for one year, but how many is not enough? Suppose, as it once was, 3 years of service in land units, 4 years for the fleet. There is no need to take all recruits for such a period, and healthy ones that do not fit, it means that all those who are not fit and "superfluous" can be obliged to work to the army fund, after short-term courses, such as a "young fighter" in territorial centers. If the “front and rear” scheme always arises during the defense of the country, according to it, the population must be prepared, everyone who wants and can, by conscripts in the army and fleet, everyone else, including girls, should be prepared for “rear” with short-term military courses on civil defense and the basics of military training. Kontraktniki (extra terms), for those places where it is impossible without them.

[Mar.Tirah]

I’m not sure that one year is enough. But it’s necessary to decide. What army will we have? Contract, urgent, or mixed? In any case, the level of training of the current recruits is going through the roof.

[Vanek]

Quote: Mar. Tira

or mixed?

Funny ..

[Mar.Tirah]

And here I still do not know, cry, or laugh ?????????????

[Vanek]

Quote: Mar. Tira

don't know cry, or laugh?

If all the warriors are like in the video, then ...

[faiver]

... then you can hang yourself ...

[Vanek]

Quote: faiver

... then you can hang yourself ...

... option.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Mar. Tira

And here I still do not know, cry, or laugh ?????????????

doesn’t interfere with one another ... I always laugh and cry ... when I look at IT ...

[Seraphimamur]

He served in Soviet times, so such a contingent came to us from the republics of Central Asia.

[Mar.Tirah]

Well, they were everywhere. But it took half a year to sort by ability. Another six months to study, another six months to train. And left to serve half a year, or one and a half as in the Navy. There were morons, but this one is definitely not a foolish person. service??????

[weksha50]

Quote: Mar. Tira

the level of training of current recruits is off scale ...

What was that on the roller?
Or, in another way: where is this miracle from? and what is this military unit?
Many questions can be asked ...
Only now, looking at this “software” miracle, it seems that you cannot make a soldier out of him even in 3 years ... His place is either in scientific companies (if the brain and level of development allow it), or in an alternative service for caring for seriously ill patients. ..

[Mar.Tirah]

My son sent the video to me, it’s been on the phone a long time ago. But he is on YouTube. Where I don’t know? But he was so amazed that I still can’t find a place. This is a miracle, the result of education, school, parents and society in In general. You can still make a fighter from him. Just hands need to be put.

[Tamagon]

For this fighter I have something to say;
1. This fighter needs a good sergeant !!! (Sergeant Airborne).
2. (About cannon fodder). As a person who worked a lot with foreign tourists, I can say that there is no longer a Wehrmacht of the sample of 41 years in the West, and there is nowhere to take it. They are very effeminate, morally unstable. Civilization spoiled them. Only the Swiss are worthy of human resources in Europe (everything is serious there). But the Chinese are, not Europeans! If that, personal experience. IMHO

[rotmistr60]

So what?...

And the fact that Klintsevich is right. They called, did not have time to learn how to hem the collar already preparing for the demobilization. A year later, he will be offered a contract, and start at the VUS practically from 0, because I have not yet managed to master anything.

[x.andvlad]

Klintsevich said that a one-year service life in a modern army is not enough to master the MAS and master modern weapons.
There is only one VUS for conscripts - a “prepared recruit”, which has general concepts in a particular military specialty. Real professional professionals in a particular military specialty can only be contractors.

[raw174]

Quote: x.andvlad

There is only one VUS for conscripts - a “prepared recruit”, which has general concepts in a particular military specialty

about a year ago a young guy got a job with us, only from Amiya, gathered in the evening for some reason with the men at the table, well, and gradually the conversation comes down to service, he says to us that he served in the Special Forces of the GRU, we don’t believe, he brought it from the office VUS 107 warrior stands ... Another colleague in the Airborne Forces served (BMD mechvod) loads him with questions about landing, I join, ask about ballistics, about tactics, about the basics of camouflage, about the movement of the group of "triples" and "fours", he does not know nothing, from the word AT ALL! I, too, am not a great expert, I didn’t fight, as my friend says: “We are simple people, we didn’t end in the model”, but this VUS 107 struck me ... Although it could be a bread slicer ...

[x.andvlad]

This is confirmation that the conscript is not a specialist, it’s a recruit with general concepts, and that’s about without them at all. Well, if you remember in life where the butt, and where the trunk. Not all conscripts serve conscientiously and maturely think about their profession. Many people only think about food and mother.
They will increase their military service, then you will certainly not drive anyone into the army, and you will have to catch conscripts with the police.

[SlavaS]

the fact of the matter is that a year or two, the result will be the same

[Dedall]

Respected raw174, no, they are almost all like that now. This is because I write that I served as a DShB in Soviet times, and when I got to the internal forces of the Internal Troops in 2001, I got a little dumb about how the level fell. As the ancestors said: "The chain of times has been interrupted." This is to say that in the beginning they reduced the combat units where old-timers pulled the "young", and then officers trained in the USSR resigned. And that’s all, there remains the only source of information - the TV. And the directors-actors do not know the intricacies of the movement "chain" with space control "herringbone", the movement of the two-way "back to back" or a floor inspection of the route in the city. We were taught this, and young officers only swing hormones and consider this the most important secret of future victories.

[Dart]

Year-a little! Two-optimum.

[rocket757]

They don’t love us, they hate us and much more. Including the envy of our neighbors on our natural wealth !!! The ally of our country is the army and navy !!! Just in case, we need a MOBILIZATION RESOURCE - this is a soldier who has undergone military service and Schaub it was not “cannon fodder”, proper training of draftees and high-quality training of conscripts are needed ... much more. Do as our ancestors did !!!
You can prepare a full-fledged warrior in a year, the flag in your hands.
It doesn’t work out for objective reasons (they are, it’s a fact) increase the service life, as it was ... and it was ALL NORM !!!
Permanent composition, first-line troops can be professional, everything is logical and justified !!!

[ratfly]

I once lost 2 years in this shit. Hexren do so much time there. The contract army is the foundation, the rest is just support.

[Per se.]

Quote: ratfly

I once lost 2 of the year in this dermishche.

This, as with allegory on flies with shit and bees with flowers. In the army, you must serve, learn the martial cause, without it, they began to suffer from shit. And, the matter is not in conscripts, with low discipline, with the connivance of the commander and officers, a mess will be with contract servicemen. If the call is honorable, prestigious, the best will go to the call, with a life expectancy of 3-4, they will even be much better than a potential contractor, since the motivation will be somewhat different, the moral will be less mercantile. Those who are inclined to "mow and slaughter" should not be called up at all, let them have their miserable status, and work for the army fund, finance those who will serve in their place.

[rumatam]

in shit? So they did not deserve more.

[barsuk]

Now those who otmazyvatsya from the army win more than those who join the army.
A year is enough to teach even a bear to ride a motorcycle.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: barsuk

A year is enough to teach even a bear to ride a motorcycle.

- Who served will definitely say: No! Teach something and can teach, and fix ???

[freddyk]

Quote: Black

And what? ... For a young man to have a concept about the army - enough

I consider for this three months of the KMB to be sufficient, at least in the Airborne Forces. Well, with a prerequisite for the restoration of NVP in school.

[rbz05]

You? With intense fighting, heavy losses are inevitable. WHOM THEN TO COMPLETE THE ARMY? UNPREPARED PEOPLE? YES THERE ARE LOSSES BE HUGE. BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THE TRAINERS.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Black

And what? ... For a young man to have a concept about the army - enough.

per year? so that in the slightest way he could control weapons? I don’t even ask about something more serious. I know from personal experience - 1.5 of the year in the army - "about nothing."
even kill, but I don’t understand - why “reinvent the wheel”, if everything has already been invented before us. that in the education system (specialists from Soviet universities around the world were appreciated), that in military affairs (there are still enough foreigners in military universities of the Russian Federation). maybe it’s enough to look at the “global” trends and live your life (albeit in something unlike others)?

[rocket757]

Generic dermocratic only know to attack the weaker and all in a crowd !!!
From that we need to look and shake the mustache - the weak yells at us from behind the legs of a very weak weak topologically fucking, but very strong, enemy!
If you climb it all together and you have to extinguish all again. For this we need a very large, very strong and skillful army !!! With all these liberties and other fucking manners, we’ll be left with a goal, well, if we don’t lose, we don’t want to sorrow at the most !!!
We must return to the traditional system of training the aircraft, upgrade to modern conditions and everything will become better, more reliable, calmer!

[Finches]

2 years is the best time! I know from experience! No more and less - no harm!

[ramzes1776]

Only out of hibernation chtoli came out ??? And where was he with his speeches before?

[kepmor]

return to the school the Soviet education system with normal student status and the year of military service will be quite acceptable ...

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: kepmor

with normal NVP and a year of service in the army will be quite acceptable ...

- If it’s a year, then NVP should be started from the kindergarten ...

[kepmor]

in general, a normal guy must still be brought up with a nursery ....

[SlavaS]

A HUSBAND needs to be brought up, and moreover able to, and now some men, bunnies, and the like are all diminutively affectionate

[faridg7]

Under the Soviet system, with normal NVP, we were severely lacking two years to become a specialist, and in the Navy, three.

Quote: Black

And what? ... For a young man to have a concept about the army - enough.

The concept of the army? In order to have a clue about the army, there should be enough KMB. We are talking about mastering the military-technical college, with which it is not a shame to resign.

[kepmor]

from experience I can say that many officers with midshipmen, and after 5 years, do not fully master their WM ...
it’s not the terms of service that need to be changed, but the very system of preparation and organization of the service ...

[raw174]

Quote: faridg7

We are talking about the development of the VUS, with which it is not a shame to resign.

Which one is not ashamed, but which one to shun? I have 100 affixed (shooter), I shoot well, for a hundred meters and a half I shot at the border guards, I did very well (I don’t serve, at the training camps of military-patriotic clubs I was allowed to shoot), did I master? or am I ashamed?
It’s just that the conscript for the year should not get VUS 107 (I described the case above) and technical specialties, and the arrow is easy!

[faridg7]

Learned to shoot means, but the tactical strip at least once passed? And it is necessary to go for a while as part of the unit. And engineering training, and medical training? Who told you that VUS 100 is just the ability to shoot from a machine gun?

[raw174]

Quote: faridg7

Learned to shoot means, but the tactical strip at least once passed? And it is necessary to go for a while as part of the unit. And engineering training, and medical training? Who told you that VUS 100 is just the ability to shoot from a machine gun?

We ran around like))) And the building was blocked and taken under control and some subtleties of actions in the city building took place ... In general, I really liked the service. But they become warriors in battle, I think so ... First of all, strength of mind, because you can learn everything and take a course of serious preparation, but on the day of "D" you will lose your temper and foolishly disappear ...

[sogdy]

He falls, adnaka.

[tchoni]

If the purpose of military service is to prepare an ordinary reserve, then a year is what dohtur prescribed. If we want to have a service with these people, yes, we have to do a service life of 5. But, are citizens ready to receive zinc trophies from their sons from different sorts of Syrians?

[kapitan92]

Quote: tchoni

ARE THE CITIZENS READY TO RECEIVE ZINY GROWINGS WITH THE BODIES OF THEIR SONS FROM DIFFERENT KINDS OF SYRIAN AFGHANISTS?

You raised a serious and difficult question! Of course not ready !!!
But on the other hand there are geopolitical interests of the state, who will solve these problems.
Regarding the service in our Army, I can only express my opinion: 1 year is not enough !!! If we take the year as a basis, then we must introduce periodic military training at the training grounds according to the Israeli model, or use other tools like PMCs.

[Loess]

Can even dissolve the army? Then there will be no coffins from the Syrian-Afghanistan. Then coffins will be made right on the spot, and not only for sons, but also for daughters, fathers and mothers. And not in units, but in tens of thousands ... But this is not for long, only until the people end ...

[SlavaS]

who do you think will do it?

[faridg7]

Quote: tchoni

If the purpose of military service is to prepare an ordinary reserve, then a year is what dohtur prescribed. If we want to have a service with these people, yes, we have to do a service life of 5. But, are citizens ready to receive zinc trophies from their sons from different sorts of Syrians?

In order not to receive the coffins, one must learn to fight, and in a year a person will simply be brought into shape and the basics of the profession will fail. For a year it is difficult to teach the basics of the profession, but in order to fight, one must still learn to apply this knowledge in practice, one must also learn to work on exercises in the field. Few years, few two

[Don]

Quote: faridg7

Few years, few two

Let’s do 5 years and become as before rejectors at stations, catch entrances. Whoever has the money will not give his only son to the army at 2, not like at 5. Let's talk without extremes, without populism. In the courtyard of the 21 century and system in our country is not socialist, but wild-capitalist. Look around - the whole system of power is rotten by bribes, kickbacks and theft, starting from kindergarten with school, ending with the government and the president. Without the improvement of the system, there will be no state-security, even if we have thousands of Armats and T-50 in our troops. A living example is the USSR, when the system itself destroyed.

[DenZ]

Quote: tchoni

But, are citizens ready to receive zinc groins from the bodies of their sons from a different genus of Syria-Afghanistan?

Of course, not ready. But in all sorts of Syria-Afghanistan it is necessary to send counterattacks and not conscripts even if they will serve for 2 years. Or send conscripts only after a period of time and solely at their own request. It is not so difficult to regulate by law.

[tchoni]

Quote: DenZ

Of course, not ready. But in all sorts of Syria-Afghanistan it is necessary to send counterattacks and not conscripts even if they will serve for 2 years.

Here. !!!! Competent thought! In the bourgeoisie they came to her for 50 years already. There is (we will say conventionally) a militia — these are conscripts — they are the basis of the state’s defense capability! And they are years old - for the eyes! And there is (again, conditionally) explication forces - this is the main defense of the interests of the state in the outside world. And here we need double basses. And mnhanism is simple. He served urgent, showed the result - get an offer for a contract. Agreed - forward and with the song)

[sogdy]

Quote: tchoni

Competent thought! In the bourgeoisie they came to her for 50 years already. There is (we will say conventionally) a militia — conscripts — they are the basis of the state’s defense capability! And they are years old - for the eyes! And there is (again, conditionally) explication forces - this is the main defense of the interests of the state in the outside world.

Do not recall in which virtual bourgeoisie this order of service?

[tchoni]

But in the matrasland. There is a millionth National Guard with reservists and fees, staffed by local boys. And there is the United States Commission - just three hundred thousandth. BUT! with aviation, tanks, etc. ... and equipped with double basses.

[sogdy]

Quote: tchoni

But in the matrasland.

"There is other information." (c) Guest from the future
The American National Guard is less battle-worthy when stuffed, than a couple of scumbags from the zone.
And the "matrasland" has no boundaries. Most coastguards are Malibu’s rescuers.
There are 300 spartans (thousands) - half-lives are spent on amphetamines. The remaining half-services are hysterical. They are recruited from the lucky owners of green cards. And West Point graduates and other lesser-known people prefer Manhattan.
Rangers I saw in our mountains - such as "mountain tourists". A sad sight.

[faiver]

you might think that from the army coffins only come from hot spots, I’m not familiar with statistics, but I’m sure that there are more deaths in the army for 2017 than our dead in Syria ...

[Nevsky_ZU]

You can do so again, return the term of fixed-term service for two years, but extend mortgages to conscripts, with a slightly larger percentage than contract servicemen, but less than civilians. Well, a couple of some bonuses. To put it seriously, since we have long been not the USSR and the USSR 2.0, this is talk in the kitchen. Or reduce the army and make it 100% contract with the rate on technology and precision weapons. It sounds good, but what to reduce then? Fleet, Strategic Rocket Forces, Land? when our territory, or airborne or with the VKS and air defense? Unclear.

[svp67]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Or reduce the army and make it 100% contractual with a bet on technology and precision weapons. Sounds good, but what to cut back on? Fleet, Strategic Missile Forces, Land? in our territory, or the Airborne Forces or with the airborne forces and air defense? Unclear.

NOTHING, nothing needs to be reduced. Just gradually change the interest. Funds allocated FOR MODERNIZATION shall be transferred TO MONETARY CONTENT. In the future, our army no longer requires SUCH MASS modernization, you can go to normal rates, up to 5-7% per year

[sogdy]

There is a Presidential Decree on restricting admission to the civil service for those who did not serve in the army. Effective since 2019.
Automatically, this also entails the possibility of hiring civilian (state and private) enterprises.
Is it enough?

[BVS]

He (the initiator) ALREADY refused his offer, he was corrected by those on top. There is nothing to discuss.

[sogdy]

Vashcheta, Klintsevich spoke about the general direction, and not about the near future. Does the restoration of military departments by hook or by crook mean nothing?

[Alexander 3]

Modern weapons require a good education, study and practical application. For a year a person only studies, but practically does not know anything. Therefore, contractors are the main force. Cleaners and floor polishers are no longer needed.

[svp67]

Klintsevich said that a one-year service life in a modern army is not enough to master the MAS and master modern weapons.

Because the President and said that we are moving to the contract. It seems that Mr. Klintsevich missed the speech of the President ...

[Vitas]

Pre-draft preparation - 11th grade or 1 course of technical schools, institutes. Service 1 year. Post-arms training (every 5 years for 1 month). So the army will be strong.

[kepmor]

with the current system of retraining "partisans" the result will be zero ....

[iliitchitch]

What is this such casting? Give reliable shots to him. From kindergarten to teach and educate. Oktyabryonok-pioneer-Komsomolets, figuratively speaking. NVP, sports schools - for free, school - for free, and kicking cuttings for beer in the gateway. Then there will be frames for you. And, everything collapsed, it is necessary to restore nafig, such a budget will not pull Silanov? Let's do 2-3-5? Bullshit from the senator. Yes there are many of them.

[arhPavel]

To be honest, I’ve been serving for 2 years, and in fact only in the second year of service there was a gap when everything was clear, experience and self-confidence appeared and had not yet begun to prepare for the demobilization. This time, probably about six months, was most effective for the service.
But if you increase the service life, then you definitely need rotation. For 2 years, sitting in a hole in the north is very bad for the psyche ...

[apk]

I will never forget how, at night shooting from an infantry fighting vehicle, a guy operator-gunner from a neighboring car, which, due to an inexperienced crew, was behind us, got the dimensions of our car and the lights on the target. "Nightlights" almost did not work and he stubbornly beat us. The benefit is not experienced, did not hit, but we suffered fear

[Old warrior]

It is necessary to do so, as in Israel - did not serve in the Army (if not sick), you cannot build a career.

[kepmor]

and where are the children of the authorities to go? ... to the wipers or something? ... to take away the broom from migrant workers? ... and who will manage the banks with state corporations? ....

[Alex-a832]

On the one hand, 1 year of urgency is not enough. On the other hand, with an increase in contract units, units under the term will also be proportionally reduced. As a result, there will be a queue for the call (it has already appeared in some places). In addition, an additional year of service for the youngest and most able-bodied population is a minus for the economy. I support the opinion that there is some way out in school student training, conducting classes and fees without much damage to production, specialized training in universities and technical schools where there are no military departments.

[rocket757]

If everything in the world developed peacefully, our nuclear weapons potential would be eternal and no one could knock it over !!! Then a large army is not needed, a professional type would have cost.
Is this the case in the world ???
And now a list of problems if that, such as a strong enemy attacked, but the army is short but very professional !!!
1. Where to get RESERVES ??? When the enemy grinds the professionals, and this will happen if the enemy is strong!
2. Drive to the forefront "cannon fodder" which has no real training!
3. Who will operate the COMPLEX COMBAT TECHNIQUE?
4. What will become of complicated military equipment when half-educated ones crawl into it, ARE TIME FOR PREPARATION ALREADY NO ???
5. A professional army is VERY EXPENSIVE if you keep a sufficient number (at our size), rather than amusing troops.

And further many more points and all IMPORTANT.

[Citizen 90]

1,2 And how long will a handful of people of different ages serve even 2 years? ...
3 You don't seem to know how complicated it is right now. To use, you need serious training. 2 years without constant subsequent retraining will not help at all. so conscripts only small without options.
4 Modern technology should only be managed by professionals. By the way, do you know about state secrets? At least all radio operators / rocket men conscripts with actual retraining once - even - at 5 years will be with a subscription?) Nonsense.

The point is that, if necessary, from the conscripts it would be possible to form the very partisans in a new way. So that they knew how to keep the machine gun, the characteristics of the main mass types of weapons, were able to carry out orders, did not shoot the whole horn "somewhere there" with a fright, standing at full height under fire.
For all this, it is necessary to introduce NVP in schools and institutes (in which from the age of 18 it is much calmer you can tinker with shooting ranges and talk about strategy / tactics)

[rocket757]

Mashinina from what is needed and what is nonsense.
In principle, for someone who runs in heaps and bullets from a machine anywhere, this is the norm.
You figure it out yourself wrote and wanted to express it.
Not interested.

[Citizen 90]

I figured out yours) Work too, and you. You can’t do it. I’ll do it.

ps They will grind the "professionals" and then immediately hope for 2 years to do instead of the 1st professional from the whole country in reserve ...

Even shooters can’t do without constant retraining. And who is more serious than that for modern technology ...

A professional army is cheaper than the whole country to be made by professionals. This is arithmetic.

[rocket757]

Useless argument.
Mismatch of understanding of concepts ... if it's easier, I think so, you think differently!
We can’t prove to each other, we need data and a lot of “bookkeeping”, which no one will give us.
To draw conclusive conclusions on the basis of something written somewhere somewhere .... everything is very approximately and generally doubtful.
I propose an option - each with its own. This is real. And we will ask the Almighty that our differences would not be resolved in real life!
Type "academic" dispute.
However, I am not opposed to disputes about something more real, for which you can find reliable evidence or refutation!

[sogdy]

Quote: Citizen 90

Bother and you.

I always pay attention to the legs, as "he" puts them.
I like films about the war of 1946-1956. I watched "White Explosion" - I do not believe it.
Did I answer you, theorist?

[rocket757]

By the way, very good films were shot, everything was so bloody in memory, and even now if you look at many scars and phantom pains have not passed.
I do not want to relate so strictly to cinematic mistakes, inconsistencies, the main thing is still the meaning !!! And he is in the films of those previous years!

[sogdy]

The question is not blunders. A man walks along the relief, under load, long and quickly, and his legs - on cardboard. I had to walk a lot, learn a lot to walk. Specificity ...

[rocket757]

I understood, though not a professional in this ... tourist, amateur. You need to HIKE through the mountains, Schaub accept or they accepted you, this is so.
Speleology, free diving, as they say now, is closer to me (mainly for crayfish, crabs), although he is also a tourist, but a big fan.
There are a lot of inconsistencies in the films, I notice in the technique, but ... let it be, it's still interesting.
Well, we notice that people like the "expert" opinion express that they probably only saw in computer games ... and argue, although an elementary calculation and just common sense will show that their statements are doubtful. View the opinions of real experts, real calculations, WHY ????
Okay, here we are not an expert department, of real such structures ... let them guess.

[Citizen 90]

How does this relate to the term of military service? A person in five years without constant retraining will lose the skills acquired in that year or in 2, or do you think that you absorbed it once in the next 40-50 years? Knowledge - basically yes, although they are forgotten or lose relevance, and skills are based on physical condition / fitness). This is not to mention the fact that the guys with “A” cut grass with shovels and repair apartments for someone from the authorities, rather than train the skills of moving under a load along an intersection.

So the solution is a contract army, + preparation of a "reserve" at all levels. In the presence of NVP and normal fees every couple of years for any service life, the number of trained people in the event of a breakdown will be many times greater, but with a fizuha - only self-awareness or mandatory TRP. Here, at least once in a year, do monthly fees, at least serve 3 years - there will be no sense.

[sogdy]

Quote: Citizen 90

A man in five years without constant retraining will lose his skills

And for the sake of what _ skills _ _ mass_ conscription service is needed?
The equipment on which the reservists will go into battle will correspond to their training. After all, those who serve _say__ will be the first to enter the battle. And the last, after the messengers, will go the arrows. Most of the funeral teams were assigned to the arrows of the curfew units.

Can you answer? Or is everything clear already?

[JonnyT]

New types of weapons and equipment require more thorough study and lengthy training. If we are talking about the usual infantryman-meat, then 2 weeks are enough for preparation. If a modern soldier is needed, then training should begin at the school with the basics of military service - shooting, the basics of tactics, combat training and so on. Further, in military schools, depending on the profile of training, military disciplines should be present. For example, a car mechanic at a vocational school at the end must know military equipment. A student programmer must be able to break into someone else’s connection, the code for controlling enemy drones, know the basics of electronic warfare, and so on. Then 1 years is enough. Understand - from a moron in the army that for a year that for five combat-ready soldiers you won’t do. Here it is necessary to qualitatively change the education system - to include in it the preparation for a higher education institution in civilian life

[rocket757]

A clear system of NVP, military departments, etc. ways to prepare for urgent.
A clear system for training specialists in the troops (they taught to walk and clean the machine gun at the NVP) using previously available equipment (tractor driver in a tank).
Reasonable use of civilian training of draftees (if possible) of a river engineer in the fleet, a forester in the rangers / partisans.
Planned retraining in military specialties (if possible and necessary).
It is difficult, it can be expensive and ... the quality of the mobilization resource can be obtained at the proper level.
Those who can not, for various reasons, simply weed out and leave alone, at the request of the citizens themselves.

[sogdy]

Quote: JonnyT

If we are talking about the usual infantryman-meat, then 2 weeks is enough for preparation.

Do not believe me, but I’m in your interpretation - “meat”. And why are we turning last? Somehow in your theory, everything is upside down.

Quote: JonnyT

Further, in military schools, depending on the profile of training, military disciplines should be present. For example, a car mechanic in vocational school at the end should know military equipment. A student programmer should be able to break into someone else’s connection, the code for controlling enemy drones, know the basics of electronic warfare, and so on. Then 1 year is enough.

Wonderful! And will Uncle Vasya repair the equipment? Or with personal equipment in battle?

[Anyone]

Quote: Maz

Let his children give for two years. Good example will show. Contractor, only a contract. A conscript is a commander’s headache without pre-conscription training.

He has a son - the head of the department for the implementation of public projects of the office of the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Volga Federal District. Noble sinecure ... Former cadet, really.
P.S. And Klintsevich himself - to all weathervanes a weather vane. Such sneaks and rogue still need to look. He and the Yeltsin “shoulder to shoulder” stormed the White House, gee, and promoted liberal economic reforms in the second half of the 90s, and now he is directly involved in the imperial and almost archers and he has the desire to object to life))

[Old military officer]

Well, at least one legislator reasoned sensibly. It should return the pre-conscription and non-military training of young people and send far "soldier mothers" and not let them into the military unit.

[Zomanus]

And who needs this obligatory service,
what percentage of those called up?
And then, how much will this demobilization remember in three-four-five years?
Quickly drove through the barracks, selected those interested and
they are already invested in, so that they develop.

[sogdy]

Quote: Zomanus

Quickly drove through the barracks, selected interested

Beautiful theory. In Ulan-Ude, an adult from a 15-year-old could not fight back. In a military town! So the theory died.
Half a year or a year of practice - boxing without embellishments, this is the patrimony of Dorzhiev and his students - and the peasant’s carapace will be cut down with an ax. And there is a ballet studio, if anyone knows why ...
But "in the barracks" only "warrant officers" are selected. Mechanics are "bought" before service. Like most other professionals. But to teach them to be soldiers and survive ... After a year they have a disease of 3 categories, they believe that everyone knows how. Previously, they had a year to make sure that it wasn’t, and that some shit would come out of someone, carefully hidden. This is where they learn to be soldiers, maintain discipline, and confront. Or break down - because they are inclined. Only in the third year, boots became warriors with a specialty. Or they quietly commissated. Three-year-olds have 5 to 20% of the personnel. Figures from the "Problems of hazing ..." 1968.

[Citizen 90]

It depends on how you learn ... And even 2 and 5 will be few. We need a contract, where every warrior is a professional, with constant improvement of knowledge, etc.

March throws physical training? The usual conscript is that after a year that after 2x he will return home and will live the same life as before.

But about NVP - categorically for. Now the only thing you can attach a child to is just a shooting circle - which is not for everyone and not always accessible and covers a narrow circle of knowledge.

[scrap123]

2-3 years is the best thing, but in the case of a mess, one can’t get rid of only one contract army, and I look at these same-year-olds as I left with a drift and a drift and returned)

[Citizen 90]

and 2 years old so absorb a strong heroic that until the end of life they go with muscles? ..

[scrap123]

who has desires, he absorbs, and who does not have that 2 years, does not release a mop and a rag ...

[Citizen 90]

Yeah, that is, if a person comes after a year of service and doesn’t do anything, and if after two doesn’t do anything, then he remains a strong man?) Stupidities say.

The issue of physical form is not connected with the army at all. There are a lot of friends who are engaged in their bodies professionally. This has nothing to do with the army. Nothing prevents you from keeping yourself in shape in isolation from the service itself.

[scrap123]

a beautiful body does not mean hardy ...

[Citizen 90]

Well, you again claim that the endurance acquired over 2 years is absorbed forever, in contrast to the annual? What nonsense is that? Or do you basically cling for the sake of argument?) If a person DOES NOT WANT, they will not change him for 2 years, and if he wants, he will maintain his body and train his stamina before and after the army. Generally OUTDEPENDING on the service life. Otherwise, after a year that after two belly he will grow up and will get to the 2nd floor with shortness of breath.

[scrap123]

Yes, no dispute, I just saw how the inflated broke, and those who did not want to serve at the beginning of the service at the end remained on the contract.

[Citizen 90]

Here I do not argue) It's just that we are a little about different things. Well, not the point.

As a result: I am for the fact that before the army a person knows the basics (NVP), then you don’t have to tell half a year on which side the bullet flies - basic skills will already be inculcated (high school + at universities can be on NVP and tactics and strategy in the database to study, so that people understand what is being done and why) = it is more efficient to use a year of service. + after the army, it’s serious to hold gatherings every 3-5 years, and more often lectures can be organized + shootings once a quarter - there would be a desire on the part of the government to seriously work on this issue ... If you put the whole country “under arms” in this way - I only behind.

[Vadmir]

We need a contract, where every warrior is a professional, with constant improvement of knowledge, etc.

A contract army is only good for local wars outside your own country. A contract army can’t fight without toilet paper.

[Hariton laptev]

He served 3 years, only began to think about something by the end of the first year of service, he only studied for the first long-distance hike for 6 months, and only in the third year of service leaving for the second combat was a full-fledged specialist who knows the equipment, material parts and its capabilities.

[Citizen 90]

In no case I do not want to offend, but let’s take it seriously - let you go on a new technique now, will you fight a lot without preliminary training?

[scrap123]

you need to get used to any new one, and if there is something worked out even with the old, it is easier to get used to the new.

[Citizen 90]

Undoubtedly, in 2 years more will be invested in the head, but it absolutely will not solve the problem of the prepared “reserve”. Therefore, I stand for the fact that let it be a year, but with a preliminary non-student educational institution at school and university (= less time will have to be “turned on” because the mat is familiar with part) and with fees every 3-5 years as a “paid vacation” for retraining in the specialty. By the way, for the workers of the military-industrial complex can be arranged directly at the factories. Everyone has an admission.

[rocket757]

Schaub was not talking about the authorities there, the problem will not get any smaller.
Simple questions like these ... try to answer.
Is everything calm and blessed in the world?
Will they leave us alone?
Are we ready to feed a foreign army and foreign owners?
Our nuclear weapons are forever and a 100% guarantee, no one will come to us?
Who were the mercenaries from a serious adversary able to protect?
We own what neighbors can really desire?
Is it possible to prepare a recruit, QUICKLY and QUALITATIVELY, for the time when your mercenary army will be smashed?
We live on the moon and we do not have envious neighbors ???

There are many more of the same important questions that are best answered NOW.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: rocket757

Who were the mercenaries from a serious adversary able to protect?

Ahem ... and whom did you designate as "mercenaries"?

[rocket757]

The term does not match with us. Our option uses a contract service.
In Soviet times, there were crickets / overdrafts.
Conscripts, contractors, professional military men - we have one goal declared, protecting the interests of the state. In fact, contract workers are hired employees, the state pays they provide their labor for this money.
We do not use such a term, but the essence of financial relations has changed from this?
For motivation and all that jazz, it’s certainly important, but where am I wrong in fact ???

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: rocket757

In fact, contract workers are hired employees, the state pays they provide their labor for this money

A hundred times they have chewed it into powder.
Officers, thus - also mercenaries, according to your logic?
Allow ... doubt

[rocket757]

Officer, staffing is still a profession, the only one. The officer devotes his life to serving. Interruption of the ministry without objective grounds is not provided ... and then what they discussed there, I will not say anything new.
The contractor - for him, service is most often a way to earn money, a temporary interruption of his civil life ... also nothing new.
Both of them must do the work and get paid, they can serve forever, but the interruption of the service occurs on very different grounds.
Nothing new, the difference is fundamental.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Here I absolutely agree. Two years is a minimum. It is not only a matter of training the main WM.

[Vadmir]

I agree with Klintsevich, in 1 year a soldier will not master modern weapons, and in order for hazing not to happen - all sergeants must be contract soldiers and you can enter an additional rank, something like an ordinary first class or senior ordinary, with an official release from the most dirty work, and assign it after the first year of service.

[Grigorievich]

He served urgent from November 1965 to June 1968. In the Air Force. We had a proverb about the service: "the first year a soldier studies, the second serves, and the third fools. The deadline is two years. But after the army there should be significant benefits up to admission to prestigious universities.
Retired medical service captain.

[agbykov]

In my experience, to stop being cannon fodder, you need at least 2 years of service. My first year of service was just getting used to the army. He began to think only in the second year and only in the second year he became a soldier for real. And this is for a motorized rifle ... What can we say about more advanced military specialties?
And to become a professional you need at least 3 years. IMHO: this is for contractors.

[Angina]

You can introduce the concept of reservists. But this should be encouraged and protected at the state level. MO pays reservists. The state must protect the reservist. Otherwise, the current NEPMans will hire another, while the "guy at the training camp." And not only because the Nepmans are greedy ... Let them receive material benefits for this, since the moral ones on the way to happiness have been lost.
I mastered the first VUS for an emergency in a month, because was a radio amateur + military electrician with NVP. If you call wisely, but teach from school - then a year is enough. But, as long as society considers “only time is lost” - there will not be much sense.

[rocket757]

All right
Clear government policy.
A citizen defends the interests of the country, the state protects the interests of a citizen ... in short, as in the Land of Soviets.

[Alex Justice]

Quote: Mar. Tira

There were morons, but this one is definitely not a stupid person. So, the service is delivered this way ??????

Can not be so. Perhaps he is smarter than all of us taken. It's just that he is not in his place or the second day in the army.

[ufpb]

Quote: Shurik70

3 years bust. A year is enough.
Ordinary fighter why thoroughly study the VUS for the master? Everyone learned the same Morse code for 3rd grade with me in a couple of months (1988th year, a group of 26 people of different nationalities), to achieve further growth only by practice. In the case of mobilization for any one, he will not immediately remember everything, either to re-learn, or an automatic machine in his hands and forward. How to pull the trigger, anyone knows.
Well, rockets, planes - here contract soldiers are needed, a contract for 5 years.

That’s the problem that young people come on call, but he doesn’t know what the machine gun looks like, and he doesn’t know how to walk in line - the problem of military training at the school, with 10-20 day camp fees with machine gun firing in the last year of schooling, a model of schools of the USSR. Yes, at school we organized competitions with our eyes closed, the AK47 was completely disassembled and assembled.

[BVS]

It is especially sad for the former military that "he cannot walk in formation." This is a very important part of the knowledge of the modern soldier and sailor.

[ando_bor]

My son served urgently in 12-13, the company signalman in the reconnaissance battalion of the mountain brigade, the year is enough,
three months preparation, three more internships can be said, - half a year full service,
for 2 years he says - we would have made professional thugs with irreversible consequences.
In my opinion, in general, it is necessary to reduce urgent service by half a year, purely for preparation, and call on everyone, now they are not calling everyone, they are calling the right amount, and this is about half of the draft contingent, maybe a little more in the demographic pit.
Or, in general, cancel the urgency, otherwise it turns out that someone will serve 2 years, and most will mow, with such an excess of draftees it will be even easier to do.

[andrej-shironov]

And pre-conscription training and a service life of at least 2 years is at least, I apologize for the tautology! Forgive me for saying this is a person who has not served. My sons will pass this, I promise!

[Victor N]

NEXUS,
Even for six months, any recruit would like to mow down, sit out with his mother, and not endure difficulties with his peers. So the reaction in society will be definitely negative. Not everywhere you need a long preparation, methods need to be improved. I did not happen to be the defender of the Fatherland, only a guard at the border. For 2,5 months in training in Termez, on average, 2 boxes of ammunition were shot per person (there were no restrictions), the incapable were sent to serve in non-linear units, they were taught to communicate with horses and other wisdom. Machine-gun-grenade launcher. They drove very hard. At the outpost immediately into the outfit - flanks 15-18 km, sand-snow, heat-frost, horse-riding. I was surprised to realize that I was ready to shoot right away, taking into account the instructions — psychological preparation. In a two-man outfit, groups of Afghans were driven out of their territory - without any shooting, they realized that the soldier had such a service. It’s dangerous, but .... If you overtake, you will get an answer.
Prepared for service in a short time! Although, I'm sorry, I just served as a security guard, border.

[Archon]

In the 2011 year, the army consisted of a month of under-training of the AFP and 11 of the months of cleaning the barracks and territories from which real military training was a total of about three weeks, including shooting ranges, alarms, anti-terror training, exercises. The rest of the time was spent on endless outfits. Towards the end of the service, I remained one on duty and day duty for two weeks, and the rest simply lived on guard due to the severe shortage of personnel in the unit. Exemplary part!
At that time, I thought that in order to get the necessary skills and knowledge, including drill exercises, duties, shooting skills, assembly-disassembly, the AK74, RPG7, PKP, PKT, SVD, would actually be enough of three months of intense training. All the rest of the time a person is used as shareware labor. Conditionally, because the state spends a round sum for each soldier and, it turns out, for nothing.

[Abrash]

Talk business! +

[Separ]

In the Soviet years and 2 it was not enough, especially for the guys from Central Asia - at first they polish the Russian language for half a year, then they learn the specialty for half a year, then they serve for half a year, and the rest half a year for "demobilization" "getting ready ...

[rocket757]

Hay is straw, we passed it! And all the same, for two years, with due diligence, the recruit from "cannon mm" passed into the category of "a trained, but not very experienced fighter," and some had to get experience !!!

[Radical]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Shurik70

So paintball, physical training, shooting training, mastery of the VUS.

Today, many draftees are not able to catch up even ten times, where can they pass, for example, TRP standards, even modern ones, let alone 40 years ago. War is not running around with masked paint balls. And if we prepare fighters by dragging them in a game of paintball, then at the exit, at the very first battle, such fighters will fluidly go under themselves and not fight.
And in this regard, I remember my ensign, God grant him health ... he said, IF YOU ARE SCARY, Squeeze the YEARS IN THE FIST, TURN THE SHUTTER AND KEEP THE FRONT, MOTHER YOUR WONDERFUL!

[Lars971a]

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Quote: Golovan Jack

Officers, thus - also mercenaries, according to your logic?

[Lars971a]

Yes, in modern Russia! They are now signing a contract like ordinary contract soldiers. In general, we are now in an enchanted circle. A contract army is an expensive pleasure and requires constant cash injections, and whoever pays the girl dances. Conscripts are better, I think, but we need a state ideology that educates patriots, citizens who love their homeland and know that their motherland mother remembers them and will never abandon them. What ideology do we have now? Liberal-Democratic, that's all

[rocket757]

Nevertheless, a cadre military officer, officer et personal choice, ideology, profession and et as a rule forever. The contractor, most often temporarily.
There is a difference. There is material interest, but such an ideological solution - I will defend the Homeland - cannot be canceled in any way.
Of course, it turns out that you will defend the current government, whatever it is, but to separate the power from the defense of the homeland will not work. Power is chosen by the people, your compatriots, no matter how conditionally it seemed / came out !!!

[M. Michelson]

Universal military training (where you do not need to master either the military-industrial colleges or weapons), which supplies normal semi-finished products for the army, this is the right thing. But enough for this year (more than).
Extensive VUS training is even more correct. Such a system must be developed in every way.
А serve the army must be professionals. If this Klintsevich tends to increase the period of conscription, then this is the way to build cannon fodder and with a high probability of losing wars.

[sgapich]

Quote: Maz

Let his children give for two years. Good example will show. Contractor, only a contract. A conscript is a commander’s headache without pre-conscription training.

Well, actually, his son first graduated from the Suvorov School, then the Military University of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, then for 3 years he served in the 45th separate guards regiment for special purposes of the airborne forces.

[BVS]

And what next, probably he is ALREADY the commander of the 45th separate guards regiment of special purpose airborne forces?

[Abrash]

Again they start the old song "about the main thing", there are a lot of generals, and there are few soldiers - so you need to increase the term ... To prepare a real reserve, the service life is enough for several months (do not paint grass) + regular military gatherings every 2-3 years (shoot) ..., and if the servicemen are still allowed to acquire semi-automatic "assault" weapons, then you can save on fees!

[Petr1968]

Why not call pilots to Aeroflot for a year?
The military is a dangerous profession, she needs to learn! Only by contract and only professionals.

[Metallurg_2]

Revive NVP in schools - then a year of real service is enough.
And then some senior high school students by the end of school in the skill of Bukhich zavoskih drunks shut up for the belt. And it’s good if only Bukhich ...

[82т11]

177 comments about nothing) to learn something well, you need to do this constantly! Those. you need to engage in pre-conscription and post-conscription training of the population! Organize: shooting ranges with military weapons, game rooms with simulators of military equipment, etc. And the main thing is to attract only former contract soldiers to this business, they will surely be able to convey real combat experience to the non-military. Only in this case will we have a normal military reserve.

[Citizen 90]

Quote: rocket757

although an elementary calculation and just common sense will show that their statements are doubtful.

Are you talking about the fact that 2 years against 1 abruptly increases the chances of making a soldier a professional? Yes, doubtful.

I’ve repeated 100 times that if you give a base in schools / institutes in advance, then a year can be spent more effectively just to acquire these skills, although this will only make sense if you maintain these skills in your future life.

And you say that simply increasing the period with the existing system will dramatically improve something.