A Just Russia sends a PMC bill to the Russian government

The deputies of the Fair Russia faction have developed and will send on Wednesday a draft law on the activities of private military companies (PMCs) to the government of the Russian Federation. About this TASS reported one of the authors of the initiative, the first deputy chairman of spravorossov Mikhail Emelyanov.

The bill is ready, signed by the authors, all intra-fractional procedures have been passed. We send on Wednesday, January 24, to the conclusion of the government of the Russian Federation, after its receipt we will submit to the State Duma for consideration

- said Yemelyanov.

According to the explanatory note, it is proposed to introduce legislative regulation of the activities of PMCs.

The draft law stipulates the legal relations connected with the creation, reorganization and liquidation of PMCs, the performance and provision by them of military and military security works and services, and the exercise of control and supervision over their activities.

The main types of services of such organizations, in particular, are participation in peacekeeping operations through international organizations, training of personnel of the armed forces, police and other security forces of the state of territorial jurisdiction, maintenance and repair of military equipment and weapons, military consulting services, ensuring the supply of military uniforms and equipment, construction work for military purposes, demining the territory, buildings, structures, the provision of military interpreters, prevented of international terrorist activities outside the territory of the Russian Federation, the protection of the sovereignty and integrity of a foreign country, the restoration of constitutional order in its territory, the protection of objects of various purpose

- list the authors.

The activities of private military and military security organizations are invited to license. The license issuing authority is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Russian PMCs have existed for a long time, they do not have only official status. PMCs, by and large, are a way to reduce the painful reaction of civil society to the military losses of its citizens. The value of life in the eyes of society is growing, but wars continue, so people continue to die in them. There is a difference for society: a soldier dies, for whom service is a duty (even for a contractor) or a volunteer who deliberately fights for money. Despite the fact that both of them, under state control over PMCs, are fighting for the interests of their country and both are doing the right job. Plus PMCs have a number of advantages, from the employment of former military professionals to the significantly lower political costs of their participation in the conflict. The main issue is tight control by the state, without which PMCs will quickly turn into gangs of thugs.

[Anarchist]

These people will return home from combat points ... And what order will they receive at home? unknown! Would Rutskoi have a private army in the nineties, so that would be? Think about it, because it will already be well-trained money-motivated thugs!

[raw174]

PMCs are, there’s no getting around this.

Quote: Anarchist

And what order will they receive at home? unknown!

But so that there is no disagreement, we need a law that regulates their work.
Whoever says anything, Russia becomes stronger every year, strengthens its power and speaks its word more confidently and firmly, and therefore we need long hands! It will be necessary to get the objectionable beyond the hill, sent PMC fighters for him, you need to defend your man, sent them under the guise of tourists. And the state has nothing to do with and defend interests.

[nikolaev]

you want it so much, that’s why you carry misinformation and nonsense, trying to pass it off as reality!

[raw174]

Quote: nikolaev

you want it so much, that’s why you carry misinformation and nonsense, trying to pass it off as reality!

What are you talking about? On strengthening the position of Russia or on the presence of PMCs in the Russian Federation?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: raw174

It will be necessary to get the objectionable beyond the hill, sent PMC fighters for him, you need to defend your man, sent them under the guise of tourists. And the state has nothing to do with and defend interests.

For this there are Special Operations Forces of the Russian Federation

[raw174]

Quote: Stirbjorn

For this there are Special Operations Forces of the Russian Federation

These are servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and their participation in actions abroad will be resonant, and PMCs will be outside politics, they formally perform work on behalf of their leadership, and not the government.

[abrakadabre]

It was with PMCs in the early Middle Ages that feudal fragmentation began. When only the local oligarch swore allegiance to the central government, and the next level military swore allegiance to him.

[raw174]

Quote: abrakadabre

It was with PMCs in the early Middle Ages that feudal fragmentation began.

Well then when it was ... Legalization of PMCs will not lead to an imbalance of forces for the reason that they will not be able to withstand the regular army of the Russian Federation.
The point is how the law is written, it should regulate the size, composition, structure and weapons of PMCs.

[abrakadabre]

Well then when it was ... Legalization of PMCs will not lead to an imbalance for the sole reason that they will not be able to withstand the regular army of the Russian Federation.

The only answer you can give is imperishable:
"Blessed is he who believes."
"Good intentions paved the way to hell" and
"We wanted the best, but it turned out as always"
Until the Middle Ages, there was also a period with a much more developed culture and economy. Yes, even the Carolingian renaissance was much more developed than the PMC-fragmentation, which occurred literally 30-50 years after the death of Charlemagne. What can we say about antiquity? In Libya, ten years ago, it was much nicer to live than now, when every gopher there has its own armed lads. And it doesn’t matter that this lads armed itself in a different way than through the adoption of the PMC law. Two things are important: the result and how quickly everything fell into complete ...

[nikolaev]

what you sculpt - there will be no control: what can get out of control will sooner or later get out of control, for such is the logic of existence!

[Anarchist]

Yeah, there are still not enough private armies! No, it's time to break into the Duma ... Somehow you need to defend yourself! And then each ghoul will be protected by a private army!

[kapitan92]

Quote: Anarchist

Yeah, there are still not enough private armies! No, it's time to break into the Duma ... Somehow you need to defend yourself! And then each ghoul will be protected by a private army!

Alexander, ! It is high time to legitimize that which exists de facto. In 2014, the Duma already discussed something similar, but the law was sent for "revision", i.e. hacked on the vine.
And so that the ghouls do not have "private armies" and laws are needed that regulate the creation and functioning of PMCs.
One can propose creating something similar to the French foreign legion in Russia, given that in the CIS there are people who want to serve in it, to fight for Russia. This requires the political will of leadership, laws, and of course funding.
By the way, the RF Ministry of Defense in 2014 reacted extremely sharply to the creation of PMCs in Russia, I don’t want to share the budget flow!

[Anarchist]

A man fighting for money, and not for his country, a priori degrade! I would not want to increase the number of cutthroats near the borders of our homeland! These same warriors can replenish the number of militants ... They will no longer value human lives, they will count rubles! Well, or dollars ... And the fact that such people will walk around inside my homeland makes me goosebumps, because I can’t protect myself from them at home ... All the laws work So that if I kill one of them then they put me in! They’re working on the wrong laws ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Anarchist

A man fighting for money, and not for his country, a priori degrade!

And if for your country and for the money !? Can you give examples of the degradation of our guys from the Wagner PMC in Syria during the storming of DeZ, or during the sweeps in Aleppo?

[Anarchist]

I can’t, but not because there are no facts, But due to the fact that there is no information at all about holding any events of this Assassin’s formation! In fact, all its members are criminals! Because they violated the current legislation on military service ... And even if they pass the bill, they still need to be judged ... But not because they are good or bad, but because the law should be the same for everyone!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: kapitan92

Can you give examples of the degradation of our guys from the Wagner PMC in Syria during the storming of DeZ, or during the sweeps in Aleppo?

Your guys, the hero of Novorossiya Bednov, have been cleaned up, and it’s rumored that their work is with Mozgov. Also happy for the country at the same time?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Your guys, the hero of Novorossiya Bednov, have been cleaned up, and it’s rumored that their work is with Mozgov. Also happy for the country at the same time?

Similar accusations without evidence are the next blah blah! Gather rumors and more!

[Anarchist]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: Stirbjorn

Your guys, the hero of Novorossiya Bednov, have been cleaned up, and it’s rumored that their work is with Mozgov. Also happy for the country at the same time?

Similar accusations without evidence are the next blah blah! Gather rumors and more!

Man, but I agree with that! There is no information about them, therefore it is impossible to draw conclusions! Which I basically wrote a little higher ..

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: kapitan92

Similar accusations without evidence are the next blah blah! Gather rumors and more!

Well, where is the infa about the participation of PMCs in Syria? The fact that two were captured by bearded men ?! So you have blah blah no less than mine, here you can only agree with the Anarchist.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Well, where is the infa about the participation of PMCs in Syria?

Michel Goya, a French military expert and analyst, said in an article for the French DSI that it was thanks to Russia's help and the actions of Wagner PMC that Syria was able to defeat the self-proclaimed Islamic caliphate.
Merits PMC "Wagner" in Syria recognized by the Western world

The combat strength of PMC "Wagner" is represented not only by the formations of Russian volunteers, but also by armored vehicles. As is known from open sources, about ten T-72 tanks, as well as BTR-80 and BM-21 Grad, are on alert at the Wagnerites. This technique helped Russian volunteers to accomplish the task in key military operations such as the liberation of the cities of Aleppo, Palmyra, the formation and cleaning of the Akerbat boiler and the de-populated settlement of Deir ez-Zor.

As Michel Goya notes, Wagnerites have become Russia's main active ground force in Syria. In fact, Wagner PMCs are currently one of the most dangerous threats to the few terrorist gangs remaining in Syria. According to the latest data, Wagnerites are currently mopping up militants from the terrorist groups Jebhat al-Nusra * and Tahrir al-Sham ** in the Syrian provinces of Idlib and Aleppo.

https://newsland.com/user/4296636253/content/zasl
ugi-chvk-vagnera-v-sirii-priznany-zapadnym-mirom /
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Enough material!

Quote: Stirbjorn

So you have blah blah no less than mine, here you can only agree with the Anarchist.

Waiting for your confirmation of your rumors! And to agree or not is your right.

[Stirbjorn]

Michel Goya is, of course, a well-deserved expert and authoritative source, once said, it means so This Goya, not aware that volunteers are fighting for free, but under a contract, if it’s not the Armed Forces, then mercenaries. You would have brought Pavel Feldenhauer, either Dave Mujabarad or whatever. But the latter have been posting here for some time, and I see this "game" for the first time. According to Bednov and Wagner, type anyone in the search engine - for example, here, with photos and in hot pursuit, right away. Infa about PMC Wagner immediately surfaced, the very next day, after the murder, that is what the group of Bednov who was shot was called. https://kf-mir.livejournal.com/351561.html

[kapitan92]

Quote: Stirbjorn

According to Bednov and Wagner, type anyone in the search engine - for example, here, with photos and in hot pursuit, right away. Infa about PMC Wagner immediately surfaced, the very next day, after the murder, that is what the group of Bednov who was shot was called. https://kf-mir.livejournal.com/351561.html

I opened your link, so what?

The murder in Novorossia of Alexander Bednov, “Batman,” the hero of the defense of Lugansk and his people, was organized by this man. Wagner Evgeny Vladimirovich, born in 1971 Probably a hereditary Chekist

Such wagons and other “heroes” will kill the Russians in Moscow too, when the Putin regime is staggering.

An article without an author, "motive and handwriting" is familiar. You’d better send an article from the “censor”.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Stirbjorn

Michel Goya is, of course, a well-deserved expert and authoritative source, once said, it means so

From the biography of the colonel of the French army M. Goya. (translation from a biography from French).
First a sergeant, in the 170th Infantry Regiment. Then he serves in the 21st Marine Regiment with the rank of lieutenant, platoon commander, and then in the Pacific Regiment of the Marine Corps - New Caledonia and, finally, as captain of the 2nd Marine Regiment, where he runs the company.

After this long experience opérationnelle1, Colonel Goya, military assistant to the chief of staff of the army for doctrine, and manager of the domain of “new conflicts”, Institute for Strategic Studies at the Military School (IRSEM) 2. He also runs an office research center for the Doctrine of Employment Forces (Army). He teaches the military history of the war at Sciences-Po Paris and at the Institute for International and Strategic Relations (IRIS'Sup)

Quote: Stirbjorn

This Goya, not aware that volunteers are fighting for free, but under a contract, if it’s not the Armed Forces, then mercenaries.

I am sure that in the know!
Is the French foreign legion mercenaries or volunteers?
He performs tasks anywhere in the world for the good of his country and the French are proud of him. So why are we pouring mud on our men ?! Killers, mercenaries, etc.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: kapitan92

Is the French foreign legion mercenaries or volunteers?

Mercenaries 100%, go there for French citizenship

So why are we pouring mud on our men ?! Killers, mercenaries, etc.

Our men serve in our armed forces, not PMCs

[Stirbjorn]

It’s not you so quickly posted an article from Goy, the same DSI? https://topwar.ru/134326-itogi-rossiyskoy-operaci
iv-sirii-analiz-zapadnyh-analitikov.html
Here the truth about PMCs, he does not say anything, how so ?! Maybe a certain "Alexey Strong" from your link that refers to him, simply attributed these words to him

[nikolaev]

the West recognizes and praises everything, just to spoil and create a problem for Russia!

[abrakadabre]

And if for your country and for the money !? Can you give examples of the degradation of our guys from the Wagner PMC in Syria during the storming of DeZ, or during the sweeps in Aleppo?

Everything happens gradually. The system of feudal hierarchy (fragmentation) is actually a legitimate system of multilevel PMCs. How fun it was, we all know from the high school course. As well as how much time it took humanity to get rid of this chaos.

[Pax tecum]

Privatization of the army?
Well yes! Well yes! According to the old deputy habit, the main thing is to pass a law, and the rest, beneficial for yourself, dragged through amendments.
At least someone imagines the initial capital for such an activity?
Weapons law will have to change a lot.
What kind of weapons, equipment, where will be stored, protection and maintenance ...
Under the Union, and even after, they managed it on their own. Moreover, military and reconnaissance operations were carried out such that they entered military textbooks and legends. And people were being prepared and are being prepared, as they say: "nails would be made of these people, if there weren’t a stronger nail in the world."
And, note that there is no question of introducing the competence of PMC intelligence. Understand, danger. Where and when it works is unknown.
By the way, Ukraine is an example. There are these PMCs ... And the law under them has already appeared after.
Do you know what the first PMC will be, already ready, in fact, is there? Chechen. The bayonets are so thousand 20. With an awesome special forces base (the largest in Russia) in Tsentoroy, Kadyrov’s patrimony.

[Pax tecum]

I wonder why the "first deputy chairman of the Duma spravorossov Mikhail Emelyanov" intentionally did not mention the actions of PMCs inside the country, but only abroad?
If suddenly the Russian Guard, "for moral and ethical reasons" thinks.
Such an organized force simply cannot be used in case of negative trends in the development of the situation.
It is clear that there will be amendments to the law, after adoption. That’s the trouble.
I understand the perplexity of the Ministry of Defense.
This is all the legislation regarding the one that will have to be changed.
And, this, think, the Federal Law "On Defense", "On the state of emergency", all the laws governing military activities, other security agencies. Ah, the constitution? Preparing for amendments?
Somehow this does not fit into our cultural code, or something, in the Russian tradition.

[Pax tecum]

I think it’s not worth creating PMCs, it’s better to create volunteer units under the Ministry of Defense with the proposed tasks and the contractual basis.
The same contract as in PMCs. The same citizens of Russia. The same tasks. The same volunteers. What is the problem? No, b..yah, someone needs privatization of power!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Pax tecum

Somehow this does not fit into our cultural code, or something, in the Russian tradition.

I completely agree with you - PMCs, that is, mercenaries, this is a purely Western tradition, when they sold their soldiers for money. And who fought where they paid for it, while not shying away from switching to the enemy’s side, if they offered more there, and their master had problems with finances

[Svist]

Quote: kapitan92

And so that the ghouls do not have "private armies" and laws are needed that regulate the creation and functioning of PMCs.

The ghouls will have legal private armies. Who pays the money - he orders ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Anarchist

Yeah, there are still not enough private armies! No, it's time to break into the Duma ... Somehow you need to defend yourself! And then each ghoul will be protected by a private army!

A chop? If I now want a private army (small arms) I’ll open a private security company, PMC did not fall on me FIG. Here we are talking about creating an instrument of foreign policy influence "without formal participation" of the state.

[Anarchist]

What Chopovites taught people to kill? Wrong level! Although an army can also be created ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Anarchist

What Chopovites taught people to kill? Wrong level! Although an army can also be created ...

I’ll recruit the former special forces for a good salary in PSC)))) the difference?

[Egorovich]

PMCs are required. The war in Syria has proved this splendidly. You can use PMCs anywhere. Libya, Yemen, Egypt, the African continent, ....

[bouncyhunter]

Egoritch, hello!

Quote: Egorovich

PMCs are required.

I agree, if only the Russian PMCs did not become the likeness of the mattress "Dogs of War". But the law, as I understand it, will regulate activities.

[Egorovich]

Pasha, hi! I, with both hands, for the likeness of the French legion under Russian laws. It is by law, not verbiage.

[nikolaev]

regulate - do not regulate, and the gin will be released from the bottle - money, not justice and the need for new types of special forces, determine this issue. The army will cease to play a protective and protective role in society.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Egorovich

The war in Syria has proved this splendidly.

What did she prove? What is worse than special forces, or marines?

[Egorovich]

Do you know the expression "dogs of war"? This is what distinguishes PMCs from special forces or marines. And the Wagner men did a lot of good things in Syria.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Egorovich

Do you know the expression "dogs of war"?

To be honest, only a quote from Shakespeare comes to mind

"The whole country will be struck with a royal cry:
“There is no mercy!” - and he will let down the dogs of war.

“But I don’t know how to add this to the difference between PMCs and military units.” USSR without PMCs successfully managed

[Pax tecum]

Dogs of war?
More precisely - the "wild swans."
And also the "soldiers of fortune" ...
Yes, you never know what epithets are.

[Pax tecum]

[media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = bBAKqoOA_wI]
V. Mazur. Soldier of fortune.
So, in the context of the topic ...
Who will understand how.

[nikolaev]

StandardUKA! is directed by Egorovich

[nikolaev]

chatter. Success in Syria - regular troops of Russia and Syria

[Egorovich]

Read carefully and then make your conclusion. I repeat once again that the Wagner men did a lot of good in Syria, and this does not mean that they replaced the Russian Air Force and the SAR troops there.

[nikolaev]

Where are you from ? from the moon, or what? Or from Mars? What is the war in Syria localized? What do you put a shadow on the fence? Lackey western!

[Egorovich]

Do not spray your saliva much, choke. !!!

[Zubr]

Quote: Anarchist

Yeah, there are still not enough private armies! No, it's time to break into the Duma ... Somehow you need to defend yourself! And then each ghoul will be protected by a private army!

Let me disagree with you. PM and AK, too, were created as a personal weapon of self-defense, but if necessary, it becomes an attack weapon. Now there are enough private security companies performing dual functions and in most cases they also protect ghouls. And what prevents us from using them legally for special operations abroad? There are people who can do nothing more than fight, so let's give them an opportunity for a lot of money.

[rotmistr60]

introduce legislative regulation of PMCs.

It is high time. And then PMCs exist, including in hot spots and remain as if outlawed.

[Lelek]

(... training personnel of the armed forces, police and other security forces of a state of territorial jurisdiction, servicing and repairing military equipment and weapons, military consulting services, providing supplies of military uniforms and equipment, carrying out military construction work, clearing land, buildings, the provision of military translation services, the suppression of international terrorist activities outside the territory of the Russian Federation, the protection of the sovereignty and integrity of a foreign state, the restoration of constitutional order on its territory, the protection of facilities for various purposes.)

A very necessary law. It would be nice, in addition to it, acts of recognition of the independence of the LPR, DPR and Transdniestria were adopted.

[nikolaev]

PMCs - the troops of the oligarchs. It is clear to whom "fair Russia" serves and whose "justice" it protects in the Duma

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: nikolaev

PMC - troops of the oligarchs

Ahem ... and someone here can not read ...

... suppression of international terrorist activities outside the territory of the Russian Federation, protection of the sovereignty and integrity of a foreign state, restoration of constitutional order on its territory ...

PMCs are a tool to advance the interests of the state beyond its borders without official participation of the state in these actions.
And where does it seem, alligarchs?

[nikolaev]

FUNNY !!! This is not a reason for increased conceit

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: nikolaev

FUNNY !!! This is not a reason for increased conceit

My dear, are you adequate, in general? And then doubts creep in ...

[Gardamir]

Or at the same time allow private killers? Some finally lost their heads.