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Su-57 began flying with the latest weapons on board

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The fifth-generation Russian fighter Su-57 started flying with aviation weapons of new generation. This was said by Boris Obnosov, Director General of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (KTRV), in an interview published in the TASS-published journal "Military Technical Cooperation Bulletin".


Su-57 began flying with the latest weapons on board


The work is hard. The whole complex of high precision weapons for this aircraft, both inside the body and on the external load, is developed by the enterprises of the corporation. We switched to practical flights, I think that in the near future we will see the result
- said Obnosov, answering a question about the implementation of the program to create aviation weapons of destruction for the fifth-generation fighter Su-57.

According to him, the protocols of information interaction with almost all types of weapons agreed.

Not far off and the main work - starts. This applies to the products of "Rainbow", and products of "Pennant", and products of the head platform in Korolev
- the general director of KTRV added.

Su-57 (PAK FA) first took to the air in 2010 year. As previously reported, 5 December, he made the first flight with a new engine. Now it is the so-called engine of the first stage - 117C, the new engine has not yet received the name and is conventionally designated as the "engine of the second stage".
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 24 January 2018 09: 37
    +6
    It’s also unfinished, but in my opinion it’s not normal to bring the aircraft to mind for so long.
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 January 2018 09: 43
      +8
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Also unfinished is still one.

      But by the way. Something I don’t remember reports of such flights with "adopted" Chinese 5th generation fighters
    2. max702
      max702 24 January 2018 09: 44
      20
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It’s also unfinished, but in my opinion it’s not normal to bring the aircraft to mind for so long.

      Read how many people brought the SU-27 to mind, and the MIG-29 really only brought it to the mind of the MIG-35 version. They bring it to mind .. And remember about the F-35 ...
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 24 January 2018 10: 05
        +2
        Dolgostroy is not the worst thing yet. Interestingly, did anyone even calculate how long it would take to train the pilot? Moreover, a universal pilot, capable of working not only for air and ground targets, but also to understand electronic weapons. If most of the functions are not automated, then the preparation process can drag on indefinitely.
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 24 January 2018 10: 49
          +3
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Interestingly, did anyone even calculate how long it would take to train the pilot?

          "Friendly" i.e. a simple and intuitive interface significantly reduces this time.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 January 2018 11: 03
          +4
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Interestingly, did anyone even calculate how long it would take to train the pilot?

          And in your opinion, many nodes and systems are integrated from the SU-57 to the SU-35? At the same time, this year the pre-production batch of SU-57 with the engine of the first stage will be sent to the troops for military tests. During this period, pilots for the 57s will also be trained under the patronage of test pilots. Everything is logical and understandable. Flyers with the SU-35 will be transplanted to them as the release of the 57th.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 24 January 2018 11: 42
          0
          IMPORTANT - preparation of the Foreign Ministry for the use of SU55 and 67 (and future 88) - how to offer partners their vision of the "humanitarian situation" and, depending on their response, recommend studying TTX su57.
          ... and hint at "see the friendly span of our SU57"
          how to build a scale Friend-Foe from distance flight path SU57- residence of the head of the "partner"
          the longest training will be-- the mattresses mastered from the middle of the 20th century
        4. NN52
          NN52 24 January 2018 14: 24
          11
          Vita vko

          It’s not a matter of pilot training at all, it’s just not difficult. Put a squadron in Dzemgi. For two months in Lipetsk pilots retrain theoretically. Perhaps they will start flying in the center .. And on flights home, to conduct military tests, for the guys from Dzemgi it will not be difficult.
          The question is a bit different ... How much time will be spent on compiling the operating instructions for the testers. To retrain the teaching staff in Lipetsk.
          And perhaps the military tests themselves at the base of Lipetsk will be ...
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 24 January 2018 14: 44
            +1
            Quote: NN52
            It’s not a matter of pilot training at all, it’s just not difficult

            Those. norms of 200 flying hours per year, to develop skills for working on air targets, then the same number of hours on ground targets, + at least in electronic warfare conditions, + pmu and smu - this is normal, or do you think that time is for Su-57 for combat training can be reduced? From my own experience I can say that it’s very difficult to simply prepare a universally soldier, and even a universal pilot from the realm of fantasy. But God forbid if possible.
            1. NN52
              NN52 24 January 2018 15: 00
              11
              Vita vko

              So now the pilots of the IA are already universal soldiers, and they do all this, with less flying time per year ....
              A pilot learn all his life .... And the same flights do not happen ....
        5. synthwave
          synthwave 24 January 2018 21: 55
          0
          It will be easier to master in the Su27 / 35 series. This is still Bogdan S. L. said. That after flying 57 to 27 it’s very difficult to fly.
      2. New
        New 24 January 2018 18: 22
        +1
        Quote: max702
        Read how much they brought to mind the SU-27,
        Yes, the essence of the matter is not this, but that it was only in 2006 that state funding of the PAK FA program began. 6 years are lost, but there is no 5th generation light fighter program at all.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 January 2018 09: 44
      18
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Also unfinished is still the one, in my opinion it’s not normal for so long to bring the plane to mind

      Seriously? And to see how much the Raptor was developed and how much they finish the F-35 is not fate at all? It’s easier after all to throw excrement on the fan with a smart look.
      The work is going hard. The entire complex of high-precision weapons for this aircraft, both intra-body and external, is developed by the enterprises of the corporation. We switched to practical flights, I think that in the near future we will see the result

      I came across infa that it is supposed to place the SU-57 arsenal only in the internal compartments.
      But apparently those missiles that stupidly do not fit into the internal compartments (most likely long-range) will be put on external suspension.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 24 January 2018 09: 52
        +7
        F-35 is actively sold and beats off the grandmas spent on it, and we have blah blah blah. This is due to our technical and technological backlog. This is an obvious fact, only recognizing it somehow is not comme il faut, therefore our warriors do not recognize it.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 January 2018 09: 59
          15
          Quote: Kent0001
          F-35 is actively sold and beats off the grandmas spent on it, and we have blah blah blah.

          F-35 crude used as a diaper used by the baby. They started up the series, but problems constantly pop up here and there. Mattresses have such a method of entering the series, we have a different one. And for me, our way is much more thoughtful and logical.
          Quote: Kent0001
          This is due to our technical and technological backlog. This is an obvious fact, only recognizing it somehow is not comme il faut, therefore our warriors do not recognize it.

          Nobody denies the presence of a backlog ... 20-year-old sitting and doing nothing could not but affect this. But the backlog is not as critical as you say, because there were developments on MIG-1.44 and Berkut ... and for me the same SU-35 is in no way inferior to the lizard in terms of functionality, and even surely superior ... and stealth technology ... well, by 19-20, ROFAR will appear and then I wonder where the mattresses will put their super-low-earthness?
        2. AlexKP
          AlexKP 24 January 2018 10: 00
          +3
          Warriors do not need to recognize or not recognize obvious or not obvious facts. Warriors need to use what is to defeat the enemy no matter what he is armed.
        3. tranquil
          tranquil 24 January 2018 19: 15
          0
          Quote: Kent0001
          F-35 is actively sold and beats off the grandmas spent on it, and we have blah blah blah. This is due to our technical and technological backlog. This is an obvious fact, only recognizing it somehow is not comme il faut, therefore our warriors do not recognize it.

          Interestingly, what do you think it means to admit the fact of lagging, is there anything to repent on in Red Square? How do you imagine that? In my humble opinion, our option - to work further, looks more reasonable.
    4. AlexKP
      AlexKP 24 January 2018 09: 45
      +9
      The development of the fifth generation fighter in the USA began in 1981, the first pre-production aircraft appeared in 1997, the production aircraft in 2001. Is this normal in your opinion?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 24 January 2018 10: 07
        +3
        It’s impossible to bring the car to mind only with experienced cars, no matter how they drive it. When mass production begins, when the machine begins to enter combat units and exercises begin with it, normal operation begins. Then new sores begin to open. As in production and during operation, and this will also need to be fixed. It is in no case impossible to delay the start of production, it will cost more.
    5. Chertt
      Chertt 24 January 2018 09: 45
      0
      More than once, hints flickered that the Su-57 is a transitional type of aircraft, to the new principle of air platforms. Not being a specialist, I can only trust the opinions of experts
    6. Muvka
      Muvka 24 January 2018 09: 46
      +3
      It is not normal to not know that 7 years for a new generation aircraft is not a long-term construction. See how many F-22, F-35, Su-27 were created. Longer than the Su-57.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 24 January 2018 09: 57
        +8
        In today's environment, time is not our ally. And do not refer to the distant past. It has already passed, we must live in the present. Of the new, only the S-40 and the new Carapace go into service, and that’s good. The new armored platform is so far only in parades and I hope in parts for trial operation ... or only at factory training grounds? We don’t have money, all of our “friends” were taken out of the hill and Maltese citizenship in a compartment with our leadership can only help them. The last 10 years there is simply no breakthrough in the country. Real stagnation. But in the power of nepotism and nepotism. Therefore, the rockets that flew at the grandfathers stopped flying at the grandchildren.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 24 January 2018 10: 03
          +5
          But the yars do not go? MLRS? OTRK? Or is it all junk? What about the Su-3X?
        2. AlexKP
          AlexKP 24 January 2018 10: 17
          +1
          Not professionalism even in the comments. In your comments.
        3. Lock36
          Lock36 24 January 2018 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: Kent0001
          In today's environment, time is not our ally.

          Well, maybe it's not yours. And for Russia, time works quite well, the farther, the stronger we are, the weaker the enemies.
          And anyway, are you going to fight tomorrow? With whom? What for?
    7. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 24 January 2018 09: 49
      +3
      so much time to bring the plane to mind.
      Probably as much as necessary. Of course I would like as early as possible, but I would like to want one (I apologize for the tautology).
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 January 2018 09: 54
        +9
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Probably as much as necessary. Of course I would like as early as possible, but I would like to want one (I apologize for the tautology).

        Hurry with the SU-57, as a youngster to get married, is not worth it. We have the SU-30 and SU-35, which can cope with the tasks and for the next 10 years will be the main difficult IFIs in Russia. During this time, the price of the SU-57 is optimized by releasing it in a small series, correcting all the shortcomings and problems on exit, before the big series, we will have a distinct and tested fighter not of generation 5, but 5+ (I do not like these divisions by generation, but to make it clearer).
    8. figwam
      figwam 24 January 2018 09: 52
      +3
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It’s also unfinished, but in my opinion it’s not normal to bring the aircraft to mind for so long.

      The American f-35 took off in 2000, the first launch of a rocket in 2013, with a bunch of shortcomings adopting 2015.
      The Russian SU-57 took off in 2010 and, accordingly, by 2023 launch, acceptance by 2025, but I think it will be faster.
    9. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 January 2018 12: 00
      0
      Quote: Spartanez300
      It’s also unfinished, but in my opinion it’s not normal to bring the aircraft to mind for so long.

      Let them do as much as they need in time, this is not sand castles!
      protocols for information interaction with almost all types of weapons are agreed.

      And most importantly, do not put Windu for arms control!
    10. synthwave
      synthwave 24 January 2018 21: 57
      0
      This is not for you to hyunday Solaris so that every seven years a new car. If it appears in the Air Force in 2020, then 10 years from the first flight, this is zilch for such a product.
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  2. Kent0001
    Kent0001 24 January 2018 09: 38
    +1
    Well, at least that. Breakthrough. Launch soon ... in a couple of years. And yet, write correctly: add “test” to the word “flights”. It is important.
  3. HAM
    HAM 24 January 2018 09: 55
    +4
    I read the comments: people want everything and a laudable desire at once, it seems, but now, I think, combat pilots are not eager to be experimental. It’s better to work on normal cars than to think about raw imperfections. So the rush is not justified.
  4. meGrail
    meGrail 24 January 2018 10: 01
    +8
    Hmm .., the information content in the news becomes zero. Of course, I understand the secrecy so that the enemies don’t understand ... But I feel like we’ll soon slide down to the newspaper headlines of the late 30s “In the city of G, military unit H in the course of the exercises honorably fulfilled all the obligations assigned to it with honors! And junior lieutenant K, at risk for themselves, performed a secret operation Y "
    Well, seriously, comrades, well, when the F-35s were being built, it was by the way of discovery that it looked "cool helmets" and other gadgets. Everyone showed, explained in plain language what they are doing and what they are for ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 January 2018 10: 07
      +7
      Quote: meGrail
      Hmm .., the information content in the news becomes zero. Of course, I understand the secrecy, so that the enemies do not understand ...

      What would you like to know? What rockets will they use and test? Even how many missiles in the internal compartments of the SU-57 are not yet clear, either 8 or 10 ... but the infa in this article, simple tests have reached the level of the arsenal, which means the SU-57 is turning from an “empty” promising fighter into a really attack aviation complex.
  5. gig334
    gig334 24 January 2018 10: 54
    +1
    We are waiting for the serial production in the spring, I hope that the balabololiberals will keep their word and will not postpone the release date of serial aircraft 20 times.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 January 2018 10: 59
      +4
      Quote: gig334
      We are waiting for the serial release in the spring,

      What serial production are you talking about, dear? There will be a test batch of 12 boards with the first stage engine for military tests. This is a pre-production batch. In 20, after all these tests, mass production will start, and so far, small-batch production.
      1. gig334
        gig334 24 January 2018 11: 07
        +2
        NEXUS, the series should have gone with the engines of the first stage in the spring of this year, I'm just talking about what they promised before the new year. The second engine will be finished for several more years. With him, the first production aircraft will be released in the year since 2025.
        Enough to feed the army with promises.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 January 2018 11: 13
          +5
          Quote: gig334
          So there is no time to wait, if not blind.

          And who drives us then? Why rush like a bitch for a damn thing? There are SU-35 and SU-30, which will be the main heavy IFIs for the next 10 years. Last year, the first stage of the ROFAR tests was completed (there will be 5 stages) and they promise to show serial ROFAR by 19-20. When installing such a radar on the SU-35 and SU-30, any advantage in stealth against the lizard against our fighters is canceled and the bottom line is the fact that the F-35 and F-22 are very expensive and very noticeable targets for our aircraft, at very significant distances (it is supposedly about 400-500 km).
  6. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 24 January 2018 11: 43
    +2
    Quote: Kent0001
    F-35 is actively sold and beats off the grandmas spent on it, and we have blah blah blah. This is due to our technical and technological backlog. This is an obvious fact, only recognizing it somehow is not comme il faut, therefore our warriors do not recognize it.

    In Russia, it is customary to create reliable and practical equipment and weapons that can be serviced without medical gloves, which is why we are waiting for a long time wink So far, the same F 35 is similar to Land Rover, as they say: “It’s coming from a service, or to a service” yes
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 January 2018 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: rpuropuu
      So far, the same F 35 is similar to Land Rover, as they say: “It’s coming from a service, or to a service”

      This is said about the Range Rover. wink
  7. andrey-ivanov
    andrey-ivanov 24 January 2018 11: 46
    +3
    Quote: max702
    Read how many people brought the SU-27 to mind, and indeed the MIG-29 really only brought it to the mind of the MIG-35. They bring it to mind .. And remember about the F-35.

    Su-27. The first flight is 1977. He began to enter service, if I am not mistaken, in 1984. At the same time, after the first flights, the aircraft was almost completely redesigned. And "raw" cars will always enter the troops - only during combat operation can all "sores" be identified and cured.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 January 2018 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: andrey-ivanov
      And "raw" cars will always enter the troops - only with combat operation can all "sores" be identified and cured.

      The modernization and improvement of weapons continues throughout its operation. hi
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 24 January 2018 15: 45
        +2
        Modernization is an improvement in performance, and sores are detected only during operation and production. Problems with any part or assembly can come out in five years. And when the plane flies for five years in the army, then you need to make a normal, large series completely brought to mind. But you can’t delay the first batch of troops, and the batch should not so small, at least equal to the regiment.
  8. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 24 January 2018 12: 26
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: rpuropuu
    So far, the same F 35 is similar to Land Rover, as they say: “It’s coming from a service, or to a service”

    This is said about the Range Rover. wink

    I said so wink Similar yes Everything is beautiful, comfortable, modern ... But it is very expensive and not reliable hi
  9. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 24 January 2018 12: 34
    0
    The article is about nothing! Well flies, so he flies for a long time.
  10. Eragon
    Eragon 24 January 2018 12: 51
    +1
    Colleagues, try to answer the question: if there is a war with the USA, if as a result of the exchange of nuclear strikes we do not destroy each other, on which planes will we fight? All these F22, F35, SU35, SU57 are aircraft of the initial period of the war. Very expensive and sophisticated cars with which it’s good for barmaleys in the desert to drive and measure with each other. Then there will be neither these aircraft, nor the majority of factories and industry. But it’s necessary to fight. And what will be cheaper and easier to fly will fly. And it will be MIG29, SU27, Ф15 and Ф16, and in the "basic" configuration.
    In my opinion, using automotive terminology, these are “concept cars” that are of little use in a real big war. No one in everyday life travels to Maybach and Bentley.
  11. Romanenko
    Romanenko 24 January 2018 13: 03
    0
    Rather, they would have already started, the bourgeoisie were waiting ...
  12. gig334
    gig334 24 January 2018 13: 48
    +1
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: gig334
    So there is no time to wait, if not blind.

    And who drives us then? Why rush like a bitch for a damn thing? There are SU-35 and SU-30, which will be the main heavy IFIs for the next 10 years. Last year, the first stage of the ROFAR tests was completed (there will be 5 stages) and they promise to show serial ROFAR by 19-20. When installing such a radar on the SU-35 and SU-30, any advantage in stealth against the lizard against our fighters is canceled and the bottom line is the fact that the F-35 and F-22 are very expensive and very noticeable targets for our aircraft, at very significant distances (it is supposedly about 400-500 km).

    The main in the next 10 years should be the Su-57, since in 2030 sixth generation aircraft will already be tested. Aw wake up. Enough to protect corruption, because because of it there is not enough money to do everything at the right time, at the right time. . We have talked with corrupt officials whose apartments are full of money. As for the Su-57, it’s fine with the first engine, even if it goes in series with them, but these planes are needed now, not tomorrow, not in ten years, but now. The Chinese and the Japanese will bypass us soon in this matter, they will fly fifth-generation airplanes, and you will again sculpt such excuses quoting nonsense. The Su-35 is a good aircraft, but the SU-57 is better. So let's fly to the best. And yes, we don’t have enough of these planes either, I'm talking about the Su-35 and Su-30
    1. NN52
      NN52 24 January 2018 15: 09
      10
      gig334

      Oh really?
      Have you thought about the fact that the Su 57 with the engine of the first stage is not very different in capabilities from the Su 35? Think ,,,
      It is necessary to increase the output of Su 35, the main for 10 years ...
      And slowly bring the Su 57 to mind with a new engine ...
      And you are talking about corruption and incomprehensible 5,6 generations, invented by whom and why ....
      1. gig334
        gig334 24 January 2018 19: 39
        +1
        And you compare the characteristics of the Su-35 and Su 57, then you will understand that they are different and decent enough. Su 57 is superior to Su 35 in maximum speed, cruising speed, maximum take-off weight, combat radius, stealth, etc. If you’re not banned in Google, you’ll find the characteristics. Compared with the engines of the first stage. And if you do not differ, then why is it needed, I mean Su57? And if you need it, it means it’s different, you just need not to repeat the excuses for which the failures are hidden, but try to think for yourself. And as I wrote, we and the Su-35 are few.
        1. NN52
          NN52 24 January 2018 21: 40
          10
          gig334

          Well you are beautiful !!! Do you know TTX 57 ?? /
          For you, according to Lavrov, the engine is the same ...
          You excuse excuses because of your incompetence ...
          Learn a little ...
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  14. tosha.chuhontzev
    tosha.chuhontzev 24 January 2018 22: 20
    0
    All this pleases. But there is one "BUT". How will the Russian economy service the exploitation of such sophisticated weapons? And one more thing, the Americans are bluffing and pulling Russia into an endless arms race. Now the coolest weapons are aging like smartphones. There remains one logical assumption: Will we really hit the States?
  15. zyzx
    zyzx 25 January 2018 10: 15
    0
    I think they’ve already discussed, but I missed. With such a protruding nozzle, can it be hardly noticeable?
  16. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 25 January 2018 19: 25
    0
    The sale of weapons is a very profitable business, the main thing is not to give it to different rogues as before