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The Communist Party commented on the initiative of the Russian Orthodox Church to rename the "communist" islands of the Northern Land

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In the Russian Orthodox Church made a proposal to rename a number of islands in the Arctic. In particular, Bishop Naryan-Marsky and Mezensky, Jacob, who is the head of the patriarchal project “Russian Arctic”, stated that the “communist” names of the islands of Severnaya Zemlya should be changed to the 100 anniversary of the execution of the royal family. According to the cleric, the islands that were discovered in 1913 by an expedition sent to the Arctic by Nicholas II cannot bear "communist" names.


The names of the islands obtained in Soviet times: Pioneer, Komsomolets, Bolshevik, October Revolution Island, Krupskaya Island. At the time of opening in 1913, one of the islands bore the name of Cesarevich Alexei Island. Until 1926, the archipelago bore the name of Nicholas II.

The Communist Party commented on the initiative of the Russian Orthodox Church to rename the "communist" islands of the Northern Land


RIA News quotes Jacob's statement:
We must follow the path historical and divine truth. Geography and land names should capture the path of creation, not destruction. These names look comical in the Russian Arctic: Komsomolets, Bolshevik, Pioneer. We must take our own history more seriously, respect and love our land. That we have few pioneering heroes, people we are proud of? I even think that let it remain the Northern Land. We must approach this issue wisely. I did not quite like the attempt to give all the islands exclusively the names of the royal family, they have no special merit in this. Another thing is that Emperor Nicholas II decided whether this expedition should be or not. Perhaps the main island should be named after Nicholas II, and the rest after the explorers of the Arctic.


The initiative (which, by the way, is not the first) responded to the CPRF. Yuriy Afonin, deputy chairman of the CEC of the party, said that he considers it an incorrect attempt to stir up history, rename streets, cities, and islands. According to Afonin, such a process today can adversely affect people.

Yuri Afonin:
Renaming in recent years has been very much. I think that it is necessary to stop and begin to engage in what concerns people: it is the economy, the social sphere. And do not distract the attention of public opinion on a secondary issue.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 January 2018 07: 03
    17
    Why chop with an ax on history, on living? We are not banderlogs !!!
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 24 January 2018 07: 07
      80
      How bullied already with this royal family!
      With these attempts to "restore the monarchy" in the minds. He was an adder.
      People who know history well, facts, causal relationships understand everything perfectly.
      CJSC "ROC" is completely insolent from permissiveness. That's who begins the falsification of history, the substitution of events and concepts.
      And so the next way begins to help the supreme ruler in managing the flock (or, more simply, the herd).
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 24 January 2018 07: 14
        61
        Although I am a believer, I am indignant at such church initiatives! They probably have no more worries ...? Although what concerns they may have ... Life was a success, the church turned into a Corporation! Give them free rein and they would launch tentacles into state administration. Peter the Great was right when he separated the church from the state!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 24 January 2018 07: 23
          11
          The Arctic Museum has already taken over the church, or not yet? And now I climbed into geography! Your affairs are wonderful ....
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 24 January 2018 07: 35
            +9
            It’s strange that Chaplin has been silent lately! Previously, I constantly climbed into the affairs of morality. Where it is necessary and where it is not necessary! I probably forgot what Christ said when sending prophets around the world ... "My brothers, entering the cities do not greet you first!" It may not be accurate, but the essence is precisely that a person must come to God, and not vice versa!
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 24 January 2018 07: 45
              17
              Let Poklonskaya personally correct the names in all maps. Let him buy in stores and correct. All the same, the Duma does not do anything useful smile
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 24 January 2018 07: 54
                17
                In the Russian Orthodox Church made a proposal to rename a number of islands

                Frenzied! In 404, they also renamed all Soviet names. How do these differ from those?
                1. cniza
                  cniza 24 January 2018 08: 38
                  +5
                  History cannot be erased, but forgotten, rewritten is stupid and sometimes criminal, for future generations.
                  1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                    Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 24 January 2018 08: 51
                    10
                    Quote: cniza
                    History cannot be erased

                    Still how can I erase. This film was issued a rental certificate in Russia. Draw your own conclusions.

                    Nikita Mikhalkov: “You understand, such films simply should not reach Russia! People who buy such films - they should not work in our country ...
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 24 January 2018 08: 56
                      10
                      I won’t even look, I guess that this is a pathetic attempt to rewrite history, and no one has been given the chance to erase it.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 12
                        +3
                        Quote: cniza
                        I won’t even look, I guess that this is a pathetic attempt to rewrite history, and no one has been given the chance to erase it.

                        So it is the Reds who rewrote history, what relation do I have for the modern names of the islands? Them that the pioneers discovered in October 17th?
                    2. Falcond
                      Falcond 24 January 2018 09: 08
                      +5
                      You do not have time for life ... this film was banned ... yesterday they said!
                      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 24 January 2018 09: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: FalconD
                        You do not have time for life ... this film was banned ... yesterday they said!

                        This is now, when the noise has risen, that this cannot be shown on the 75 anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad. A rental certificate was issued earlier without any problems.
                        A spokesman for the Russian president Dmitry Peskov, speaking about the possibility of repeating the situation with Matilda with the film about Stalin, said that the Russian Ministry of Culture is responsible for issuing rental certificates.
                      2. RUSS
                        RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: FalconD
                        You do not have time for life ... this film was banned ... yesterday they said!

                        They did a good advertisement for the film, it’s unlikely that a lot of people would go to the movie, and after this movement on the Internet, now I think the views of this film will grow
                    3. RUSS
                      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                      Still how can I erase. This film was issued a rental certificate in Russia. Draw your own conclusions.

                      Already recalled rental certificate, take it easy.
                      1. Vladimir16
                        Vladimir16 24 January 2018 09: 43
                        +6
                        Yury Afonin, deputy chairman of the party’s Central Election Commission, said that he considered it a wrong attempt to stir up history, rename streets, cities, islands.

                        The Communists renamed the islands, and now they say that you can’t do this. Be consistent.
                        It's about a return to history, to truth, to truth. The right of name belongs to the discoverer and to the people involved in this matter.
                        And then the Communists ???? The Communists are precisely the force that distorted our Russian history with foam at the mouth and, for the sake of the West, poured mud on everything Russian, everything that the Russian people had created before the arrival of those possessed.

                        The fact that the USSR survived in wars was the merit of the Russian man, but not of the Communists. Remember Stalin’s toast for the victory. Even he talked about the people, but not about the communists.
                    4. cniza
                      cniza 24 January 2018 09: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: RUSS
                      [So it is the Reds rewrote history, what relationship do I have for the modern names of the islands? Them that the pioneers discovered in October 17th?


                      All of them sinned, not only the Communists.
                    5. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 09: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                      This film was issued a rental certificate in Russia.

                      Already recalled.
                      On the renaming of the islands - I personally think that the Bolsheviks began to rename the first. No matter what. So why is there so much indignation now that some people want to return the original name of the islands given to them by the discoverers?
                      After all, many here (including myself) for returning the name Stalingrad to Volgograd? wink
                    6. Yuyuka
                      Yuyuka 24 January 2018 12: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                      Quote: cniza
                      History cannot be erased

                      Still how can I erase. This film was issued a rental certificate in Russia. Draw your own conclusions.

                      Nikita Mikhalkov: “You understand, such films simply should not reach Russia! People who buy such films - they should not work in our country ...


                      already banned! although it’s also not very clear - to "now" or permanently ?? and why in general is such a d..mo allowed into the country? little American moronity on the screens ?? And then we are surprised when they shoot or with an ax in schools! Why is no one responsible for such "cultural" events? I doubt that in the United States would allow this on a wide screen.
                      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 24 January 2018 12: 19
                        +2
                        Quote: Yuyuka
                        why is no one responsible for such "cultural" events? I doubt that in the United States would allow this on a wide screen.

                        This is an implementation of the Dulles plan. Reformatting youth consciousness. Here is an excerpt from the film, which at the beginning of the 2000 years was played on all channels.
                    7. IImonolitII
                      IImonolitII 24 January 2018 19: 24
                      0
                      Now the absurd comedy for hire would be prohibited. Well now iron sky and kung fury should be banned? For those tired of the sun 2, it would be nice for everyone who went to the cinema to return money from Mikhalkov’s pocket.
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 24 January 2018 09: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: cniza
                    History cannot be erased, but forgotten, rewritten is stupid and sometimes criminal, for future generations.

                    Absolutely right! It is impossible to forget what happened, and to keep silent too! I highly recommend, in a search engine, on Wikipedia --- Mikhail Anatolyevich Babkin --- Russian historian, specialist in the history of the Russian Orthodox Church, Doctor of Historical Sciences, professor at the Department of Contemporary History of Russia, Historical Archival Institute of the Russian State Humanitarian University.
                    Monograph. The clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church and the overthrow of the monarchy (beginning of XX century .--- end of 1917), M. 2007
                    On the same topic there is a QUESTIONNAIRE with Klim Zhukov about how the Church accepted the February Revolution.
                  3. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 05
                    +4
                    Quote: cniza
                    History cannot be erased and to forget, rewrite is stupid and it is criminal, in front of future generations.

                    Therefore, it is necessary to RETURN the islands the PRINCIPAL names from 1913.
                    And the islands discovered by the Bolsheviks, let them bear the names given by them.
                    Everything is logical
                2. RUSS
                  RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 11
                  +5
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Frenzied! In 404, they also renamed all Soviet names. How do these differ from those?

                  After the 17th, some possessed ones all renamed; now it is necessary to return the historical names.
                  1. Laurus
                    Laurus 24 January 2018 10: 35
                    +4
                    Now the possessed descendants of the possessed are trying to play the same game. Already these czarebozhniks and attempts to rewrite history in order to falsify the great Soviet past.
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Frenzied! In 404, they also renamed all Soviet names. How do these differ from those?

                  After 1917, the Frenzied destroyed almost all Russian names of streets and cities in Little Russia and New Russia, demolished the monuments to the famous Russian heroes of New Russia.
                  Today's possessed ones are simply repeating.
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 10
                +3
                Quote: Thrall
                Let Poklonskaya personally correct the names in all maps. Let him buy in stores and correct. All the same, the Duma does not do anything useful smile

                And what does it have to do with it?
        2. Sharky
          Sharky 24 January 2018 08: 30
          +9
          I, as a person who does not believe in God (which is described in the Bible or another book written by lying people at different times), I think that it’s enough that Nicholas and his family were canonized. The Russian Orthodox Church has the right to do whatever it wants in its world. Hand out titles, write icons, etc. But, on this the competence of the church should end. It is impossible to expand the influence of the church, especially since the truth of a particular religion has not been proved, and more and more evidence appears not in favor of the latter. There are more and more uncomfortable questions: why dinosaurs were not allowed on the ark (didn’t they deserve it?), Etc. wink
          1. Felix99
            Felix99 24 January 2018 08: 42
            +6
            There is a sv. Nikolai Wet - the patron saint of sailors and is St. Nikolai the Bloody - the patron saint of kings.
            1. dSK
              dSK 24 January 2018 09: 28
              +3
              Quote: Felix99
              patron saint of kings.
              This is so his friend Soros called. Learn better materiel (the history of Russia), and don't play spoiled Internet phone. hi
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 01
              +5
              Quote: Felix99
              and there is St. Nikolai the Bloody - the patron saint of kings.

              Zadolbali you with the "bloody" Nicholas! Dumb and limp, but not bloody! Bloody Trotsky, Sverdlov, Ulyanov, Uritsky and others like them. hi
              1. andrei1
                andrei1 24 January 2018 19: 27
                +3
                Do you pretend or didn't teach history at school? Nikolashka was nicknamed bloody by the very Russian people after Bloody Sunday, and by the way, people went to the square with a priest who decided that he was the bearer of the people's aspirations - Gapon. Learn history, and maybe it will reach you that the church has no place in politics. By the way, the temples were destroyed by the same simple Russian people who got the requisitions and arrogance of the church, and not some mythical "3 Bolsheviks - commissar"
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 20: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: andrei1
                  The same Russian people nicknamed Nikolashka bloody after Bloody Sunday

                  Well, not the people, but the propagandists who planned the campaign of the people to the king. Gapon was a pawn. And the Tsar’s guilt in the events of Bloody Sunday is practically nonexistent, the tragedy was predictable - gather a couple of thousand people and take them to Novo Ogaryovo. After that, Putin will become Vladimir bloody.
                  Quote: andrei1
                  By the way, the temples were destroyed by the same simple Russian people

                  What are you ??? belay At least one church people blew up without an order? And priests to see the people he shot? wink
                  1. populist
                    populist 24 January 2018 21: 56
                    +1
                    This is fake. There have never been documents with the name “Indication” - not a single one.
                    You have again been misled. Try to examine the issue with this supposedly document yourself.
                2. Skifotavr
                  Skifotavr 24 January 2018 20: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: andrei1
                  Do you pretend or didn't teach history at school? Nikolashka was nicknamed bloody by the very Russian people after Bloody Sunday, and by the way, people went to the square with a priest who decided that he was the bearer of the people's aspirations - Gapon. Learn history, and maybe it will reach you that the church has no place in politics. By the way, the temples were destroyed by the same simple Russian people who got the requisitions and arrogance of the church, and not some mythical "3 Bolsheviks - commissar"

                  People called? Do not sound! Who asked those people? This is the usual propaganda of those creatures who took advantage of the internal crisis, which they themselves partly created and came to power as a result of a bloody coup! The same thing is now in Ukraine. And our history is not for you to teach us, wise guy.
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        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 24 January 2018 10: 07
          +1
          Quote: Anarchist
          Although I am a believer, I am indignant at such church initiatives !!

          One starts --- another picks up! Look at the map of the World: how many RUSSIAN names in the Pacific Ocean and in the Antarctic! The same to some states as a "" sickle .......... ""! First of all, FSA, followed by Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states --- correct to the West! And they will find a pretext and precedent.
        4. Saburov
          Saburov 24 January 2018 14: 57
          +3
          Quote: Anarchist
          Life was a success, the church turned into a Corporation!


          The church has always been a corporation. Throughout human history, the church has been inextricably linked with the state (a convenient lever of pressure on the minds and a good way of extra income.). Moreover, there is a certain pattern, the worse the country with education, the economy and the social component, the more this country is “religious” (we do not take the OAI and the SA as an example, since their entire economy is only raw and foreign education). In the 20 century, all normal countries separated the church from the state (including the USSR). Now is the 21 century, Russia is actively clericalizing secular society and its components, which clearly indicates the reasons that I described above.

          PS The main task of the church is to explain to a person why he lives poorly, that he needs to warm, and that everyone will be counted in the next world. And the worst thing is when the Patriarch with a golden watch in his hands and traveling on a maybach teaches people humility and modesty.

          Sincerely.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 12
            +2
            Quote: Saburov
            And the worst thing is when the Patriarch with a golden watch in his hands and traveling on a maybach teaches people humility and modesty.

            And what should he ride? At WHA? And should he have a Chinese watch for 500 rubles? Now for Putin have prepared a number of new cars called "motorcade", also a luxury? The patriarch’s Maybach is a reliable armored car, ours will do something like that and the patriarch will sit down, but for now Putin drives a Mercedes and not a ZIL, although they are on the move.
            1. Saburov
              Saburov 24 January 2018 15: 38
              +7
              Quote: RUSS
              And what should he ride? At WHA?


              Why not? The pope does not hesitate to ride a fiat.

              Quote: RUSS
              And should he have a Chinese watch for 500 rubles?


              And what difference does it make him look? In general, if you don’t have the mind to take the watch off even for an interview, so as not to embarrass the faithful and the public, then it is probably better not to hold such a post. Not to mention the proofs of Slavic writing and Slavs.

              Quote: RUSS
              Now for Putin have prepared a number of new cars called "motorcade", also a luxury?


              Honestly? In general, they don’t give a damn what they prepared for him. And where does the head of the country and the patriarch? Or is he afraid of assassination? Why should he be afraid? According to him, in heaven will everyone be counted?

              PS I would still understand the simple fooling of the people, but when they get into the education of our children, they begin to rewrite our history, brazenly lie about their "saving role" in the history of Russia and simply rob the parishioners and not observe their own commandments ... then this Sorry, this is not at any gate.
        5. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: Anarchist
          Life was a success, the church turned into a Corporation

          To a corporation? What's behind these conclusions ? Why to a corporation, and not to a holding or company, or maybe to AO? Write beautiful words without understanding their meaning.
          1. albert
            albert 24 January 2018 18: 58
            +5
            Quote: RUSS
            To a corporation? What's behind these conclusions ? Why to a corporation, and not to a holding or company, or maybe to AO? Write beautiful words without understanding their meaning.

            An Orthodox loan, at Orthodox interest! The slogan of Peresvet Bank, a merchant bank, by the way. And how is Gundyaev holding not a corporation?
        6. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 24 January 2018 19: 28
          0
          Peter turned the Church into a college.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 24 January 2018 07: 18
        15
        Actively promote the estate society with minimal social elevators.
        As I understand it, they look back at the arrogant Saxons: they think that if they craft a similar craft here, then they will accept it in that “club”.
        Aha ЩаЗ!!! As they were dirt under the nails, they will be so!

        The first stage is the religiosity of the population.
        Next is humility.
        Then - all sorts of anointed ones.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 24 January 2018 16: 56
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          Actively promote estate society with minimal social elevators
          The first stage - the religiosity of the population
          Next is humility.
          Then - all sorts of anointed ones.

          On Len.ru appeared the plot "Metropolitan of the Vatican and Oxford. Comrade Krasnov." On this topic.......
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 24 January 2018 07: 39
        +5
        Pax tecum
        How bullied already with this royal family!
        With these attempts to "restore the monarchy" in the minds. That one was a viper ....
        Yes, that is right.
        And I’m barking with the Communist Party to the elections. What a thin undermining for the candidate from the Communist Party laughing But most of all I liked how pretending to be a hose in the election commission voiced bills good laughing
      4. Kosya Queen
        Kosya Queen 24 January 2018 13: 38
        +3
        I completely agree with Pax tecum. How Jews with their Holocaust got their hands out, as if they had only suffered from Nazism, and tens of times more killed and maimed people of other nationalities - this does not count. They debate the topic with tsarist Russia, and indeed, then there were much more opportunities to manage the herd (flock). Any religion is evil, it is better to believe in the power of reason and to live decently in this world, and not to kill other people fooled by religion in order to supposedly go to heaven. I would like to ask the moderators what the hell they are deleting comments on some topics related to Jews and religion, do you have the site "Military Review" turned into a Zionist site?
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 January 2018 07: 15
      20
      Famously behaves an organization separated from the state! This is what it means to “exempt from income taxes.” belay
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 14
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Famously behaves an organization separated from the state! This is what it means to “exempt from income taxes.” belay

        What’s dashing here? He that the people collect? Is he preparing a signature or a petition? The man suggested returning the historical name to the islands and that’s all, the decision is not for him and not for us, but any person can come up with a proposal, we have a free country.
      2. Saburov
        Saburov 24 January 2018 19: 04
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Famously behaves an organization separated from the state! This is what it means to “exempt from income taxes.”


        Support!

        I wonder how much the festive dresses of the patriarch cost? Wasn’t it easier to spend this money on treating children?


        But no, it’s necessary for the people to ask for money for the treatment of seriously ill children through the first channel ... they have oligarchs, priests, and embezzlers ... then there is no money ... everyone thinks about Russia!
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 24 January 2018 19: 32
          +2
          Quote: Saburov
          Russia is thinking everything!
          But isn’t that true?
          They think about Russia: how to steal, squeeze, etc.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 24 January 2018 07: 19
      +5
      The Russian Orthodox Church made a proposal to rename a number of islands in the Arctic.
      I am a believer, but often from the actions of the Russian Orthodox Church I have a state of complete bewilderment. You have nothing to do but fight against the shadows of communism. Of course, among the church leaders there are a variety of representatives, and there are not the most intelligent ones. But I know that in the church discipline is much more serious than in the army, and they can shut up the deb * silt there
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 24 January 2018 07: 58
        18
        By the way, in Russia pious, religious people are becoming less and less, tearing away from all sorts of religions is dynamically gaining momentum. I believe that this is due to the aggressive lobbying of Orthodoxy by the crazy bunch of the state-Russian Orthodox Church. They wanted the best, but they went too far. D.B.
        The fact that the Russian Orthodox Church has become a stopper in every barrel causes an overwhelming irritation in a huge number of people. Apparently, they forgot how the "pious" population of Russia after 1917 decided to deal with them. Experience and history do not teach them anything.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 24 January 2018 08: 04
          14
          I don’t know the statistics (it’s unlikely to be reliable), but I agree with you in principle. Instead of taking on humanitarian, educational, and social missions, as it seemed to her, the Russian Orthodox Church had intensively climbed into politics, state institutions, and indeed into business. People naturally see this and rejection occurs.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 24 January 2018 19: 34
            +1
            Quote: Chertt
            ROC instead of taking on humanitarian educationalsocial missions
            I already twitched!
            They must not be allowed to form, otherwise the Bologna system will appear at the top of efficiency!
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 24 January 2018 19: 41
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              I already twitched!

              Do not exaggerate. Among the priests, and especially the monks, there are a lot of educated, selfless, extraordinary people. In many regions of Russia, they could be very useful
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 17
          +6
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          By the way, in Russia there are less and less pious, religious people,

          Yes Yes exactly laughing when were you last in church I think that they were not at all, otherwise it would not have carried you like that.
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 24 January 2018 13: 18
            +4
            The more qualified a person, the less he believes in God. This is the statistics :)
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 24 January 2018 17: 26
              +2
              Quote: Sharky
              The more qualified a person, the less he believes in God. This is the statistics :)

              You can link to these statistics, otherwise I will believe you that some illiterate peasants went to church laughing
        3. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 19
          +4
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          By the way, in Russia pious, religious people are becoming less and less, tearing away from all sorts of religions is dynamically gaining momentum.

          This is not so, do not compose. Proceeding from your Avatar, you are a follower of paganism, therefore you would like that there would be fewer believers in Russia.
          The All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM) found out from the Russians whether they consider their life to be predetermined by higher forces, and found out that over the past 25 years the number of people who rely on God has increased from 49% in 1991 to 67% in 2016.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 10
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            you are a pagan

            As I. But I understand that Christianity (with all the viciousness of the CLEAN idea) is very closely intertwined with the roots of the Russian people, very closely mixed with the original Russian paganism. And anyone who advocates the IMMEDIATE rejection of Christianity is an enemy of the Russian people.
            But the Russian Orthodox Church in the form that now makes it better than all the Gentiles. request
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 24 January 2018 10: 15
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And anyone who advocates the IMMEDIATE rejection of Christianity is an enemy of the Russian people.

              Definitely like that!
          2. Laurus
            Laurus 24 January 2018 10: 38
            +7
            Do not confuse the faith and snickering officials from the Russian Orthodox Church, waving anti-people power. People turn away from the Russian Orthodox Church, but not from the faith. It was because of such "clergymen" that people turned their backs on the church after 1917.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 17
              +1
              Quote: Laurel
              Do not confuse faith and snickering officials from the Russian Orthodox Church

              And who are these officials from the Russian Orthodox Church? laughing and why they snickered, I really wonder who it is? What are some names, please.
          3. populist
            populist 24 January 2018 11: 48
            0
            RUSS
            The All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion (VTsIOM) found out from the Russians whether they consider their life predetermined by higher forces, and found that over the past 25 years the number of people who rely on God has increased from 49% in 1991 to 67% in 2016

            Moreover, the number of those who stated that they always or often count on higher forces almost doubled (25% versus 47%). Among Muslims (49%), there are more such than among Orthodox Christians (34%).

            - Today, 48% of Russians are sure that a person’s life path is predetermined, a quarter of a century ago they thought that was half as much. Even among non-believing contemporaries, 10% agree with this point of view. More often than the average sample, people from 60 years of age and older (61%), Muslims (68%) and Orthodox (54%) believe in fateful turns, much less often young people from 18 to 24 years old (38%) and men (39 %), - says the VTsIOM material

            This is a diagnosis crying
            1. dauria
              dauria 24 January 2018 14: 14
              +1
              - 48% of Russians are sure that the life path of a person is predetermined,


              And most of them studied physics and Heisenberg's relation. laughing Poor electrons, now their paths are predetermined by the creator. But helium does not freeze, unchrist.
        4. dSK
          dSK 24 January 2018 09: 38
          +3
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          decided to do with them. Experience and history do not teach them anything.
          This vaccine "against rabies" Russia will remember for a long time. Trying in vain, more thirty "Comrade" Soros will not give you. And as history teaches, it will not work for you.
        5. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 23
          +5
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Apparently, they forgot how the "pious" population of Russia after 1917 decided to deal with them. Experience and history do not teach them anything.

          You would have to fight with your ignorance and find out that after the Thief, even with the wild dictatorship of the ignorant, Christmas and Easter were official days off, like other CHURCH holidays:
          Example on 1925 year [
          Non-working days in 1925:

          January 1 - New Year
          January 22 - January 9, 1905
          March 12 - Overthrow of the autocracy
          March 18 - Paris Commune Day
          April 18 - Good Saturday
          April 19-20 - Easter

          May 1 - International Day
          May 28 - Ascension
          June 7 - Trinity
          June 8 - Spirits Day
          August 6 - Transfiguration
          August 15 - Assumption

          November 7 - Day of the Proletarian Revolution
          December 25-26 - Christmas

          Learn the history of your homeland!
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 04
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        You have nothing to do but fight the shadows of communism

        You know, the state behaves even more inadequately. Renaming police to police is an example of this.
        And the return to the islands of the names given by the explorers by the explorers by the discoverers is much more logical.
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 24 January 2018 12: 23
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        The Russian Orthodox Church made a proposal to rename a number of islands in the Arctic.
        I am a believer, but often from the actions of the Russian Orthodox Church I have a state of complete bewilderment. You have nothing to do but fight against the shadows of communism. Of course, among the church leaders there are a variety of representatives, and there are not the most intelligent ones. But I know that in the church discipline is much more serious than in the army, and they can shut up the deb * silt there


        as it were softer to say ... priests separately, faith in God - separately request The greatest respect is caused by small churches throughout Russia than the pompous metropolitan ones, more for public relations and ostentatiousness.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 24 January 2018 12: 44
          +4
          Quote: Yuyuka
          as it were softer to say ... priests separately, faith in God - separately

          Of course faith, she will "overcome" everything, After all, Priest is a voluptuous, can be taken as a test for believers from God. But the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church "is going somewhere wrong" will not cancel
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 24 January 2018 18: 02
            +2
            But the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church "is going somewhere wrong" will not cancel

            Well, yes ... it's just another branch of power on our heads ...recourse I like the approach - "I do not need a mediator with God ..."
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 24 January 2018 18: 14
              +2
              Quote: Yuyuka
              I like the approach - "I do not need a mediator with God ..."

              This is how to say, "I do not need a mediator in communication with a nuclear reactor." And then, out of nowhere, a nuclear mushroom. Of course, a mentor in Theology, this most complex of sciences is necessary. Well, this is in the case of the Churching and serious spiritual practices, but not so, drop a candle to put
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 24 January 2018 19: 59
                +1
                Quote: Chertt
                Quote: Yuyuka
                I like the approach - "I do not need a mediator with God ..."

                This is how to say, "I do not need a mediator in communication with a nuclear reactor." And then, out of nowhere, a nuclear mushroom. Of course, a mentor in Theology, this most complex of sciences is necessary. Well, this is in the case of the Churching and serious spiritual practices, but not so, drop a candle to put


                so the whole point is that it’s sometimes impossible to find your mentor, and looking at the lifestyle of some priests, you think - do you believe it yourself ??
                1. Chertt
                  Chertt 24 January 2018 20: 14
                  +1
                  There is nothing to argue, this is a question of questions. The only thing that can be said is what to look for in time-tested structures.
    4. verner1967
      verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 14
      +6
      Quote: aszzz888
      Why chop with an ax on history, on living?

      The deputy chairman of the CEC of the party, Yuri Afonin, said that he considered it a wrong attempt to stir up history, rename streets, cities, islands.
      identical thoughts, but why didn’t they visit the Bolsheviks earlier, when did these islands be renamed? Or then it was possible to chop off alive, or was the story wrong?
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 24 January 2018 12: 40
        +2
        verner1967 Today, 08:14
        but why didn’t they visit the Bolsheviks before, when did these islands be renamed? Or then it was possible to chop off alive, or was the story wrong?

        Then our ancestors tried to build a new world. Often by radical means.
        From here - "We will renounce the old world ..." and "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ...". They did so by virtue of their understanding of the historical moment, thus marking their victories and accomplishments or outlining a future goal. It’s not for us to blame them.
        Now, from the "building of communism" we have moved on to "sovereign democracy." Renaming "Red Sickle" back to "Mendyukino" (approx.
      2. garnik
        garnik 24 January 2018 13: 39
        +3
        I totally agree with you. Some atheists gathered, the Communists did their job. You can relate to faith as you like, but without it there will be no general unity of the people. When you see a large number of young people at Muslim religious holidays, you think that they all adhere to the Surahs from the Koran without question. Everything connected with religion is sacred and not subject to doubt.
        How much can you already read about the acts of the Communists, but we still worship him, one of the destroyers of Russia.
    5. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Why chop with an ax on history, on living? We are not banderlogs !!!

      It is necessary to correct the mistakes of the Banderlog-Bolsheviks, historical justice is necessary.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 24 January 2018 09: 35
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        It is necessary to correct the mistakes of the Banderlog-Bolsheviks, historical justice is necessary.

        And when to stop in the "restoration of historical justice." Christians were also not the first, before them there were local peoples with their names, most likely several times succeeding each other. Where is the historical "First Name"?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 11
          +3
          Quote: Chertt
          And when to stop in the "restoration of historical justice"

          Here it is, the Mobius loop! good
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 27
          +5
          Quote: Chertt
          local peoples with their names, most likely several times succeeding each other

          Present the local peoples who lived on the uninhabited islands of the Northern Earth.
          Yes, and their island names, too
    6. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 24 January 2018 09: 16
      +4
      But that’s why if you rename the streets somewhere in Poland, then all the guards at once, in the news they raise such a howl.
      And as we have under the auspices of the Russian Orthodox Church - then everything is fine, as if it were necessary.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 28
        +2
        Quote: Dr_Engie
        But that’s why if you rename the streets somewhere in Poland, then all the guards at once, in the news they raise such a howl.

        Carrot, too, looks like a finger, but you go, different things! request
    7. Basil50
      Basil50 24 January 2018 09: 22
      +6
      888 y
      You are not quite right. If the Russian Orthodox Church wants to restore historical justice, then the churches should be reminded of how they * baptized * RUSSIA, and the fact that only after the Horde invasion Christian communities appeared in each city, or how the churchmen dragged the Romanovs to the throne, and for this they invited the Poles and gave them RUSSIAN land and GREAT NOVGOROD Swedes.
      Or maybe it’s worth recalling the Inquisition and the destruction of the dissent, which was burned along with the villages? Or maybe it’s worth recalling prayers for the glory of the invaders from the Entente or the service of the Nazis?
      And modern churchmen are not distinguished by either culture or knowledge or tact.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 14
        +3
        Hello Vasily! hi
        Quote: Vasily50
        Or maybe it’s worth recalling prayers for the glory of the invaders from the Entente or the service of the Nazis?

        But what about the flight of Moscow with the icon of the Kazan Mother of God in the 41st by personal order of Stalin? wink
        1. albert
          albert 24 January 2018 19: 03
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But what about the flight of Moscow with the icon of the Kazan Mother of God in the 41st by personal order of Stalin? wink

          Nonsense !!
        2. populist
          populist 24 January 2018 21: 05
          0
          Ingvar 72
          But what about the flight of Moscow with the icon of the Kazan Mother of God in the 41st by personal order of Stalin? wink

          Why didn’t they use this weapon under / over Stalingrad, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Kharkov (experts can add). Although, maybe we'll find out soon. To lie so lie.
          Of course, I do not mean you. You were deliberately deceived. hi
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 24 January 2018 10: 45
        +2
        72u
        About flying around the icon is nothing more than the heavy nonsense of churchmen. Too much neglected by cooperation with the Nazis were figures from the church. What do you think that just like that in 1943 began to rename the church? Separated with a foreign church that fully supported Hitler regarding the destruction of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
        If you believe people like you, it turns out that instead of an army and weapons, only priests with icons are required.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 49
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          Too much neglected by cooperation with the Nazis were figures from the church.

          The generals of the Red Army are the same! wink
          Basil - extremes were everywhere. Do not be a dogma. hi
        2. dSK
          dSK 24 January 2018 12: 39
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          instead of an army and weapons, only priests with icons are required.
          "God is God, and Caesar is Caesar," who will replace the political instructors - psychiatrists?
          “Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself”, so he still did not boom for real, and when it grows roaring, not everyone will be in time and will cross himself.
    8. Alex 2016
      Alex 2016 24 January 2018 10: 01
      +4
      There is a process of erasing the true story from the heads of people. There he is so clogged up now, in connection with the best politics and Western education, what a horror. For this, the Anglo-Suckers unfasten the good loot. And the priests are trying to "divine" business, cut money.
    9. captain
      captain 24 January 2018 10: 16
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      Why chop with an ax on history, on living? We are not banderlogs !!!

      But we are not Russophobes. Indeed, many historical names that existed for centuries in the 1918-28gg were renamed by the Bolsheviks. For example; Tver, Nizhny Novgorod, Yekaterinburg, Yekaterinodar and the entire South-East of Ukraine. Why did the Leninists destroy Russian history? Why did they try to erase the memory of our Russian history?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 31
        +5
        Quote: captain
        Why did they try to erase the memory of our Russian history?

        And why did ALL the main monuments to the Heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812 be blown up, put a TOILET on the plates with the names of the grays in the Monument to the Heroes of Plevna and other and other?
        So that the Russians forget that they are Russians
        1. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 24 January 2018 19: 53
          +1
          How to make a person who is the bearer of the highest culture and part of one of the world's civilizations to turn his homeland into Africa? Make African.
    10. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 24 January 2018 19: 54
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      Why chop with an ax on history, on living? We are not banderlogs !!!

      Here, rather, it is a question of correcting what the Zionist-Satanists, who were originally the Bolsheviks, chopped up in Russia, but, of course, it's up to you.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 24 January 2018 07: 07
    13
    Father should not be so promoted! If he leaves the monks, wants to become a Tatuped, then let him engage in self-promotion! The church needs to put in place — to the altar — such clergymen! And we just need to copy a certain quasi-state, and rename something to please self-PR managers!
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 24 January 2018 07: 21
      +4
      Let them do what they want!
      But the state should be secular, as prescribed in the constitution, and not what is being promoted to us.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 24 January 2018 07: 50
        +7
        That’s the trick! The state (its institutes of management and education) will be secular at least three times, but the church will educate and urge the flock to the loyalty of the ruling power, “rub” the parishioners with the necessary policies. And, the state for the church - all the preferences, supposedly these are the needs of society. Mutually beneficial cooperation, complete harmony.
        And the concept of "secularism" of the state refers more to form and structure, rather than to "separation of powers."
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    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 24 January 2018 07: 26
      +9
      You sir, look at the language! Not all faces of the clergy are like that! And your comment smells really bad! fool You from me! It’s a pity that their minuses have been removed! Do not meddle in spiritual matters, you do not have enough intelligence for this! !! am fool
      1. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 24 January 2018 08: 46
        +4
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Do not meddle in spiritual matters, you do not have enough intelligence for this! !!

        That is, to believe the brain is not necessary? Or can not any rational religion be understood?
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 24 January 2018 07: 27
      +5
      wait, now "our nyasha" will catch up ... how is it without a bow? ...
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: gafarovsafar
      climbed the priests of the swolt sensed that the chain weakened

      You are a lover of sheep, say this to your muftis in your own country in Tajikistan!
  5. raw174
    raw174 24 January 2018 07: 20
    13
    How did these preachers get ... I am not against religions in general, I am against its imposition! Religion is created exclusively by people and for managing people! There is no god, there are calculating people who, playing on feelings, rule their flock. And they rush with Nikolai, who profiled the empire ... OTHER HANDS FROM GEOGRAPHY!
    1. captain
      captain 24 January 2018 10: 24
      +4
      Quote: raw174
      How did these preachers get ... I am not against religions in general, I am against its imposition! Religion is created exclusively by people and for managing people! There is no god, there are calculating people who, playing on feelings, rule their flock. And they rush with Nikolai, who profiled the empire ... OTHER HANDS FROM GEOGRAPHY!

      And what about Peter! profiled Russia? Or Catherine !! Has it given to other states? Or maybe Ivan the Terrible sold Siberia? Why did they rename the cities named by their names? Why did they distribute and distribute lands joined by these people to Russia? Get away from Russian history, comrades, along with the destruction and destruction of Russia. Drive Russophobes from Russia! Let everyone go to the homeland of Marx and conduct experiments there.
      1. raw174
        raw174 24 January 2018 10: 29
        0
        Quote: captain
        Why did they rename the cities named by their names?

        This was not done by our generation, maybe something was wrong, but why again step on the same rake? Why do renaming again?
        Quote: captain
        Why did they distribute and distribute lands joined by these people to Russia?

        What is being distributed now? or what the USSR was distributing?
        Quote: captain
        Get your hands off Russian history

        I agree. The USSR, its conquests and misses are also our history, decommunization is not our destiny.
        1. dSK
          dSK 24 January 2018 15: 23
          +3
          Hello Ravil!
          Quote: raw174
          What did the USSR distribute?
          Donetsk and Lugansk purely Russian regions - Ukraine. Belarusian Vilnius - Lithuania. The most generous gifts - to Kazakhstan: Ural, Guryev, Peter and Paul, Pavlodar, East Kazakhstan. Good about the Orenburg "forgotten." Thanks to grandfather Lenin. How he was afraid of the Cossack army.
          What will Russia cost to neutralize these "good deeds?" Faithful Leninist Gorbachev just detonated a bomb that laid the great grandfather Lenin. (Putin said about the bomb last year, it's a pity I did not copy the quote.) hi
  6. kvs207
    kvs207 24 January 2018 07: 21
    +3
    "According to the clergyman, the islands, which were discovered in 1913 by an expedition sent to the Arctic by Nicholas II, can not bear the" communist "names."

    And who mastered these islands, Nikolai, or what?
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 19
      +5
      Quote: kvs207
      who mastered these islands, Nikolai, or what?

      And how were they mastered?
      1. cost 75
        cost 75 24 January 2018 09: 04
        +3
        Quote: verner1967
        Quote: kvs207
        who mastered these islands, Nikolai, or what?

        And how were they mastered?

        you do not answer a question with a question, but tell us what your good Nikolai did so well besides what about ** al Empire?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 21
          +2
          Quote: kos 75
          Why did your Nicholas do such good things besides the pro ** al Empire?

          I agree, prosral. But this does not negate the fact that the discoverers are entitled to the name of the island. hi
        2. verner1967
          verner1967 24 January 2018 17: 30
          +3
          Quote: kos 75
          Why did your Nicholas do such good things besides the pro ** al Empire?

          and what good did the communist, Komsomolets, Bolsheviks do, and who else is there? What are these historical characters?
    2. Igor V
      Igor V 24 January 2018 11: 24
      +2
      In 1913, Vilkitsky’s expedition on two steamships Taimyr and Vaigach discovered an unknown coast. I made one astronomical point on it, put it on the map and called it “TAIWAY” according to the first syllables of the name of the steamers.
      In 1918, R. Amundsen, taking advantage of the confusion in Russia, went to discover the Northern Earth and annex it to Norway. (A good NATO base would be now). Along the way, he destroyed all the signs left by Russian polar explorers for centuries. But his ship "Mod" jammed in the ice, it did not work to open the earth.
      In 1930-32, the Soviet expedition of G.A. Ushakov finally discovered the Northern Earth, made a large number of astronomical points, mapped, carried out geological, hydrological and other studies. They gave names to everything that they discovered. They had the right to do so under international laws.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: Igor V
        In 1930-32, the Soviet expedition of G.A. Ushakov finally discovered the Northern Earth,

        Do not tell me, the pre-revolutionary names took off? wink
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 24 January 2018 16: 05
          +2
          I repeat: in 1913, the Vilkitsky expedition discovered an unknown land. Due to the difficult ice conditions, we studied and mapped several kilometers of the coast. And the applied coastline was very inaccurate. For example, the Shokalsky Bay turned out to be a strait, and the small island named after the expedition’s doctor (I don’t remember the name now) disappeared altogether, apparently it was an iceberg.
          When the expedition returned home in 1915, the authorities did not like the name Taiwan (the expedition was military, and the authorities were admirals). Admirals decided to call the open shore Earth N-II. I think they did not have the right to do so.
          By the way, the open part of the coast did not give Russia any rights to this land. Rights appear only when the earth is completely mapped, the geographical coordinates of the characteristic points are determined, astronomical points are built and a description of the land is made. Ushakov’s expedition did all this, so she has all the rights to the names.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 18: 46
            +3
            Quote: Igor V
            I repeat:

            Those. pre-revolutionary names are sucked by the Russian Orthodox Church from the finger? Including the island of Tsarevich Alexei? wink
            1. Igor V
              Igor V 24 January 2018 19: 25
              +3
              There are international agreements on the rules for registering names. In tsarist Russia, this was done by the Russian Geographical Society. In Soviet times - the All-Union Geographical Society, the legal successor of the Russian Geographical Society. No other organization has the right to name or rename. Whether the name "Land of Nikolai-2" was registered or not, no one knows. And how was it registered? If like an island, then there must be a map, but it was not there. The maximum could be registered "coast of Nicholas", as in Antarctica. So I strongly doubt the legitimacy of this name. And one more thing: only in the Soviet Union there was vigorous activity, now few people need these islands. So let's rename it to oblivion this activity.
  7. KOH
    KOH 24 January 2018 07: 22
    11
    The phrase "the Church is opium for the people" is not so stupid ...
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 24 January 2018 07: 53
      +6
      Religion is opium for the people, not a church.
      The church, nevertheless, is a narrower concept.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 24 January 2018 12: 40
        +1
        Quote: Pax tecum
        Religion is opium for the people, not a church.
        The church, nevertheless, is a narrower concept.


        Religion is simply a system of views, a person’s relationship to the world, to his place in this world. By itself, it cannot be opium. But the "narrow" church with its representatives can make it opium, because it explains, interprets how it is beneficial in this historical situation. At all times, the church was on the side of power and played by its rules.
    2. cost 75
      cost 75 24 January 2018 09: 06
      +3
      Quote: CON
      The phrase "the Church is opium for the people" is not so stupid ...

      I agree too often priests began to get into state affairs
      1. dSK
        dSK 24 January 2018 15: 59
        +2
        Quote: kos 75
        Church, this is opium for the people
        Almost all potent painkillers have been created on the basis of opium. According to recent studies, up to 100 grams of ethyl alcohol and hormones are produced in the human body that block the painful signals of organs, depending on the situation. Under stress, production increases dramatically. With constant intake from outside, the internal production of hormones is reduced due to dystrophy. Without training, any organ degrades. To domestic production alcohol and hormones were optimal in quantity and quality, one must be friends with the Lord God, what they teach in temples. hi
  8. Vitas
    Vitas 24 January 2018 07: 28
    +8
    Then the Bering Strait should not be, but Dezhnev? And then the discoverer, only the cape was dedicated ... The same Krashennikov, forgotten, explorer of Kamchatka. This question should be addressed to the Russian Geographical Society. The Church should have enough of its own affairs. As for the names of the examples, there are a lot. The southern ocean, geographers rejected the name, but some countries still put it on the map.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Vitas
      Then the Bering Strait should not be, but Dezhnev?

      So America was not named after Columbus .... repeat
      1. raw174
        raw174 24 January 2018 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        So America was not named after Columbus ...

        Well, DC is okay)))
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 24 January 2018 17: 19
        +1
        Well, didn’t Columbus open India? He thought so all his life.
        Vespucci had a bigger globe.
  9. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 24 January 2018 07: 34
    15
    The excessive politicization of the church is irritating. Not only did Nicholas II be counted among the saints, which in itself was an extremely dubious enterprise (he certainly was not a saint), so now there will be the names of his family members, he rest in peace, to be used in overwriting one historical period of Russia with another. What then? Renaming Soviet names of streets and squares with the names of the royal family?
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 24 January 2018 08: 01
      +5
      Take it higher, the church is actively climbing into politics. Already in schools and the army reached. Do you think they will stop? From the secular state there is only a name.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 24
        +5
        Quote: Viktor.12.71
        Already in schools and the army reached.

        And what does it bother you with? Europe fell ill with tolerance, pedophilia, and other “charms” of modern life after the same figures as you struck the Catholic Church. Do you want that with us sodom and gomorrah flourished? Everyone, both parents and the school refused to raise children and adolescents. Yes, and yet, there are no atheists in the trenches. This is me about the army.
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            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 24 January 2018 09: 40
              +4
              Quote: RUSS
              Quote: Viktor.12.71
              There was nothing like this under the USSR, and I have no doubt that the priests are pederases.

              The fact that the Soviet people refused God, the result of this was a new "troubled time" with all the consequences ....


              In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church. This required a revolution. But no one followed the church. The ardent opponents of the Bolsheviks (the same Tikhon) rushed to change shoes already in the early 20's. For ... I want to eat something. No lyrics. Business.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 52
                +3
                Quote: sergo1914
                In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church. This required a revolution. But no one followed the church. The ardent opponents of the Bolsheviks (the same Tikhon) rushed to change shoes already in the early 20's. For ... I want to eat something. No lyrics. Business.

                All who turned away from God and the Tsar in one way or another were punished .... and the crown of this is the collapse of the USSR.
                1. Alex 2016
                  Alex 2016 24 January 2018 10: 04
                  +5
                  Yeah, and now we have the kingdom of heaven, and some saints are around! You walk along the street, and you’re afraid of getting into something holy.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 24 January 2018 17: 32
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexey 2016
                    and now the kingdom of heaven is with us, and some saints are around!

                    so this is the hard legacy of the commies-atheists
                2. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 24 January 2018 10: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS

                  All who turned away from God and the Tsar in one way or another were punished .... and the crown of this is the collapse of the USSR.


                  Rather, the king turned his back on the people ... laughing even at the coronation ... and in the future the booby was no better ..... obviously the same punishment was incurred .... the children are sorry for him, but he is not
                3. Laurus
                  Laurus 24 January 2018 10: 41
                  +3
                  And 20 million Russians below the poverty line and the standard of living, as in Somalia, is, apparently, God's punishment for the collapse of the USSR and the betrayal of socialist ideals. Apparently, by your own logic.
                4. raw174
                  raw174 24 January 2018 10: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: RUSS
                  All who turned away from God and the King in one way or another were punished ..

                  Hope this is sarcasm? You are probably an adult! What is your education (if not secret)?
                  For Russia to go the religious way is death. A religious government is possible only in a monoconfessional state, and in our country religion is an apple of discord! Russians, Tatars, Kazakhs, Udmurts, Caucasians, peoples of Siberia, Jews, all profess a different religion or suggest others to wipe themselves off?
                5. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 24 January 2018 12: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church. This required a revolution. But no one followed the church. The ardent opponents of the Bolsheviks (the same Tikhon) rushed to change shoes already in the early 20's. For ... I want to eat something. No lyrics. Business.

                  All who turned away from God and the Tsar in one way or another were punished .... and the crown of this is the collapse of the USSR.


                  Well, for the sake of justice, the first to be punished was the king who turned away from his people.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 24 January 2018 13: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    Well, for the sake of justice, the first to be punished was the king who turned away from his people.

                    I agree.
                6. Simargl
                  Simargl 24 January 2018 17: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: RUSS
                  All who turned away from God and the Tsar in one way or another were punished .... and the crown of this is the collapse of the USSR.
                  Come on!
                  I saw something else: as soon as the churches gave relief, the country fell apart!
                  And, if you do not know, one of the first who joyfully met the renunciation was the church elite!
                  Again, during the Great Patriotic War, %% of collaborators from churchmen was very high.
                  The only way the Bolsheviks touched the church was that they taxed it. Well, that’s it! It was not profitable to clumsy with candles.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 24 January 2018 18: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    %% of collaborators from churchmen was quite high.

                    a link to the statistics, please. And then, after all, the Vlasov’s army and other RONA and KONR were more and more of the fellow citizens and the communists were not uncommon there
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 24
                +2
                Quote: sergo1914
                In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church.

                Headed by the Jews ... laughing
                1. sergo1914
                  sergo1914 24 January 2018 12: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: sergo1914
                  In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church.

                  Headed by the Jews ... laughing


                  Well, how much can you ??? !!! What kind of Jews? Was Trotsky and Sverdlov all of them dragged from the church by the hand?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 15: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: sergo1914
                    What kind of Jews?

                    1. albert
                      albert 24 January 2018 19: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Quote: sergo1914
                      What kind of Jews?


                      I wonder how many Jews are in our government now? Think less? How could it not be!
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 20: 13
                        0
                        Quote: albert
                        Think less?

                        I know that no less. request
              3. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 37
                +3
                Quote: sergo1914
                In 1917, the Russian people abandoned centuries of oppression of the church.

                Bredyatina. And even the Bolsheviks knew this and were forced to put up
                Example for 1925 [edit | edit code]
                Non-working days in 1925 [15]:

                January 1 - New Year
                January 22 - January 9, 1905
                March 12 - Overthrow of the autocracy
                March 18 - Paris Commune Day
                April 18 - Good Saturday
                April 19-20 - Easter
                May 1 - International Day
                May 28 - Ascension
                June 7 - Trinity
                June 8 - Spirits Day
                August 6 - Transfiguration
                August 15 - Assumption
                November 7 - Day of the Proletarian Revolution
                December 25-26 - Christmas
            2. astepanov
              astepanov 24 January 2018 10: 10
              +4
              Quote: RUSS
              The fact that the Soviet people refused God, the result of this was a new "troubled time" with all the consequences ....

              And if he hadn’t refused, then we would have had an Orthodox analogue of Somalia or Sudan, only even more subtle.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 24 January 2018 13: 24
                0
                Quote: astepanov
                And if he hadn’t refused, then we would have had an Orthodox analogue of Somalia or Sudan, only even more subtle.

                If if yes .... if not? Who knows how the wheel of history would turn? As the saying goes - "history does not like the subjunctive moods"
            3. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 24 January 2018 10: 45
              +4
              Quote: RUSS
              That the Soviet people abandoned God

              Before the revolution, the Russian people were “purely formal”. Priests (except for low dignities in some parishes) were not popular with ordinary people.
              "The Tale of the Priest and the Worker of his Bulda" was written long before the revolution.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 50
                +1
                Quote: Perun's grandson
                "Christian" was purely formal.

                But the believers were unequivocal.
                1. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 24 January 2018 11: 52
                  +3
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But the believers were unequivocal.

                  Believers was definitely. And long before the planting of Christianity in Russia.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 15: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Perun's grandson
                    And long before the planting of Christianity in Russia.

                    Yes. But also after the same. A lot of pagan holidays just changed their names, but essentially remained pagan. That is why now Christianity cannot be smashed, or else we will spill out a child with water. hi
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 22
                0
                Quote: Perun's grandson
                "The Tale of the Priest and the Worker of his Bulda" was written long before the revolution.

                I prefer this tale to the editors of Zhukovsky.
                1. grandson of Perun
                  grandson of Perun 25 January 2018 00: 35
                  0
                  Quote: RUSS
                  I prefer this tale to the editors of Zhukovsky.

                  There is no fundamental difference, the priests are the same merchants, they only trade others.
            4. Viktor.12.71
              Viktor.12.71 24 January 2018 12: 05
              0
              Quote: RUSS
              The fact that the Soviet people refused God, the result of this was a new "troubled time" with all the consequences ....

              The troubled times were before the revolution, the people were in slavery among the nobles who were widely supported by the church. The revolution of 17 years did not come from a good life, and this is a fact.
        2. raw174
          raw174 24 January 2018 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: verner1967
          And what does it bother you with?

          Personally annoying me. At one of the anti-terrorist and anti-extremist meetings, I had the opportunity to listen to the words of a woman, a representative of the Russian Orthodox Church, she said that all our troubles from turning away from God even went so far as to tell children about Buddhism and pagans in schools (this is she I spoke with horror about the course of religious studies), I said that Buddhism, Islam, etc. these are the same religions as Christianity, and judging by the expression on her face, lightning should have struck me ... It began about the fact that Russia is Orthodox, the word God should be entered in school ... But I am a Tatar, and at the same time a thoroughbred, and What about the Kazakhs, who in our region are about 10%, and Bashkirs? What does the Russian Orthodox Church offer them to teach at school?
          No, comrades! He wants to teach the Russian Orthodox Church, let Sunday schools open (which are), but you don’t need to go into the general education system!
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 24 January 2018 12: 12
            +1
            Quote: raw174
            and you don’t need to go into the general education system!

            Late, they have been powdering their children’s brains for 5 years in schools. And 2 years ago all this clericalism went to school masses.
          2. sergo1914
            sergo1914 24 January 2018 12: 42
            +2
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: verner1967
            And what does it bother you with?

            Personally annoying me. At one of the anti-terrorist and anti-extremist meetings, I had the opportunity to listen to the words of a woman, a representative of the Russian Orthodox Church, she said that all our troubles from turning away from God even went so far as to tell children about Buddhism and pagans in schools (this is she I spoke with horror about the course of religious studies), I said that Buddhism, Islam, etc. these are the same religions as Christianity, and judging by the expression on her face, lightning should have struck me ... It began about the fact that Russia is Orthodox, the word God should be entered in school ... But I am a Tatar, and at the same time a thoroughbred, and What about the Kazakhs, who in our region are about 10%, and Bashkirs? What does the Russian Orthodox Church offer them to teach at school?
            No, comrades! He wants to teach the Russian Orthodox Church, let Sunday schools open (which are), but you don’t need to go into the general education system!


            With a fifth-grader daughter, they prepared a report about Tikhon. The task is this. Homemade. They wrote as it was. That in the 20s people rethought their views and left the opposition to the Bolsheviks. For this, they lowered the score. It was necessary to write that he had fought all his life.
            1. raw174
              raw174 24 January 2018 13: 39
              +3
              Quote: sergo1914
              For this, they lowered the score. It was necessary to write that he had fought all his life.

              You are not kidding! Repent! And then lightning will strike the house laughing
        3. CCM on grass skiing
          CCM on grass skiing 24 January 2018 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: verner1967
          Yes, and yet, there are no atheists in the trenches. This is me about the army.

          Someone Hemingway disagrees with you. "He recalled a long time ago: an artillery officer Williamson was wounded by a hand grenade thrown from a German guard post at the very moment when Williamson was crossing the wire fences at night, and he screamed, begging to be shot. Williamson was a fat man, very brave and a good officer, although an incredible pose. But then, at night, he, wounded, fell into the beam of a searchlight, and his insides fell out and hung on the wire, so those who shot him from there still had to cut them with a knife. shoot me for heaven’s sake. "Once a conversation started on the topic that the Lord God sends a person only what he can bear, and someone advocated such a theory, as if at a certain moment pain kills a person. But he "I remembered all my life how it was with Williamson that night. Pain could not kill Williamson, and he gave him all his morphine pills, which he had reserved for himself, and even they did not work right away."
          1. dSK
            dSK 24 January 2018 16: 24
            0
            Quote: CCM in Grass Ski
            Lord God sends man
            death when his soul ready to go to eternity or further human life will lead to the death of his soul. “Sorrow cleanses the soul,” this is well known. The wounded body is only a vessel for eternal soul.
            1. dSK
              dSK 24 January 2018 16: 46
              0
              Nothing passes without a trace, neither evil nor good deeds and words. The human computer has such a huge memory that all its life is recorded on its hard disks. You can show the muzzle to God, you can spit. Only then, after dozens of years, at the most inopportune moment, when they have no health, your spits begin to fly from above. Verified by personal experience. "Evade from evil and do good" no wonder they say. Because when, after death, the soul appears before its Creator and Creator, it has to answer not only for its deeds, but also for the words.
            2. raw174
              raw174 25 January 2018 06: 58
              0
              Quote: dsk
              death when his soul is maximally ready for the transition to eternity or the further life of a person will lead to the death of his soul.

              Ohhh, dear, yes, you went over the holy water ... I do not want to offend you, but since we are discussing everything here, back up our beliefs with evidence ...
              Quote: dsk
              “Sorrow cleanses the soul,” this is well known.

              How is this known?
              Quote: dsk
              A sick body is only a vessel for the eternal soul.

              Here, in more detail, about the eternal soul, give a definition of the soul and evidence of its existence (do not throw videos from REN TV).
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 24 January 2018 07: 36
    +9
    Let the long-bearded first open the new islands themselves, and then rename them as they want. Something too much will give these traders "opium for the people"!
  11. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 24 January 2018 07: 38
    +7
    Regarding Nicholas-2, it’s not for us to judge him, of course, where we have already asked him. But it was he who was to blame for what happened in February 1917 by his all-forgiveness. But the orgy did not begin in October, namely, in February 1917. Well, then what happened was what was supposed to happen - October. I don’t impose my opinion on anyone, but the Socialist Revolution is still better than the liberal chaos of February. If the revolution had not taken place, the liberals would have ruined Russia in the year 1918-19.
    1. Tamagon
      Tamagon 24 January 2018 07: 50
      +9
      Bacchanalia began much earlier, including with the moral decay of the church and total corruption among the Grand Dukes.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 24 January 2018 13: 22
        +3
        Quote: Tamagon
        Bacchanalia began much earlier, including with the moral decay of the church and total corruption among the Grand Dukes.

        Holy Synod. He was in St. Petersburg in a building under arches, as well as the Governing Senate, also in a building under arches. The joke came from here:
        - The blind synod and the robbing senate live in gifts.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 25
          0
          Quote: Freeman
          Holy Synod. He was in St. Petersburg in a building under arches, as well as the Governing Senate, also in a building under arches. The joke came from here:
          - The blind synod and the robbing senate live in gifts.

          Peter equated the church with the rest of the colleges.
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 24 January 2018 08: 23
      11
      You need to dig deeper, deeper. Start with the fact that for the tsar’s debts (which by the way are now being offered to us for payment), Russia got involved in the First World War, and Nikolashka was canonized for this. Yes, priests have fooled the bogeyman for the truth and stick their noses farther and farther. It would not hurt them to pincer the wear more tightly.
      1. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 24 January 2018 08: 28
        +2
        Frogs will receive a hole from a donut, not royal debts. All questions to Comrade. Lenin, he explained to them short and clearly 100 years ago. Already to the "hot" Baltic states would have reached.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 24 January 2018 13: 30
          0
          Quote: Nikolai Petrov
          Frogs will receive a hole from a donut, not royal debts. All questions to Comrade. Lenin, he explained to them short and clearly 100 years ago. Already to the "hot" Baltic states would have reached.

          You are not up to date. State debts of the tsarist government, modern Russia has already paid.
          http://www.bbc.com/russian/0803_8.shtml#top
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 27
        +3
        Quote: faridg7
        You need to dig deeper, deeper. Start with the fact that for the tsar’s debts (which by the way are now being offered to us for payment), Russia got involved in the First World War, and Nikolashka was canonized for this. Yes, priests have fooled the bogeyman for the truth and stick their noses farther and farther. It would not hurt them to pincer the wear more tightly.

        I haven’t read such crap for a long time, but judging by your physiognomy, you have 0 intelligence.
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        2. faridg7
          faridg7 24 January 2018 10: 28
          +3
          Well, in order to judge intelligence by physics, one must have something to judge. Unfortunately this is not given to everyone
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 24 January 2018 10: 33
            +2
            Quote: faridg7
            Well, in order to judge intelligence by physics, one must have something to judge. Unfortunately this is not given to everyone

            Well you really look bad laughing
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 24 January 2018 10: 42
              +3
              Is my 46 bad? I'm in the standards of the TRP, I still give many schoolchildren, and peers ...
  12. bald
    bald 24 January 2018 07: 39
    +8
    Everyone has their own opinion. Is it not blasphemy, having committed a terrible act of destroying the royal family, and then historically striking out the name of the islands by right. I am for the proposal of the Bishop of Naryan-Mar and Mezensky Jacob.
    1. thinker
      thinker 24 January 2018 08: 39
      +5
      I am also FOR. If you think about it and read, and this proposal has been around for many years, is it not fair to return the names given by the FIRST OPENERS under the command of Boris Andreevich Vilkitsky.
      So, in 1933 he wrote: “Years will pass ... the name of the great Peter will return to Leningrad ..., and these lands will regain the names of the late sovereign and prince, the names belonging to them by the law of history”

      1. bald
        bald 24 January 2018 08: 48
        +6
        Thanks for the story (information).
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 24 January 2018 09: 32
          +5
          You both should know that the city on the site of St. Petersburg stood long before Peter.
          There was the fortress of GREAT NOVGOROD in defense of merchant caravans from Danish and Svejskie pirates. It was this fortress that Birger besieged, while ALEXANDER NEVSKY gathered a squad. The Swedes renamed the fortress in St. Petersburg. This event happened when the Greek Catholic Orthodox Church presented the northern part of Rusi with the Swedes in exchange for supporting Romanov’s pushing into the tsar.
          The Swedes initially renamed the bay at the mouth of the Neva into St. Peter's Bay, and then renamed the fortress.
          1. Alex 2016
            Alex 2016 24 January 2018 10: 08
            +1
            Interesting, did not know. Thanks for the info.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 46
              +4
              Quote: Alexey 2016
              Interesting, did not know. Thanks for the info.

              For what?! FOR HONOR? Ponder THAT he reports:
              Quote: Alexey 2016
              This event happened when Greek Catholic Orthodox Church gave the Swedes the northern part of RUSI

              Do you know such a church? Yes, so that she gave something?
              The comrade is just upset.
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 27
            +3
            Quote: Vasily50
            There was a fortress of GREAT NOVGOROD

            What was it called? belay
            1. Basil50
              Basil50 24 January 2018 10: 55
              +2
              The names were different. According to testimonies during the time of Alexander Nevsky, it was called both Privetnaya and Nevka. Quite often, the fortress was transferred to other islands, NEVA washed sandy deposits changing the channel. So the fortresses were rebuilt, sometimes changing names.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 11: 05
                +2
                Quote: Vasily50
                Greetings

                Maybe there was a prison, but not a big one. It is unlikely that he should be considered the progenitor of Peter. The largest were Nyenschanz (built from scratch by the Swedes) and Noteburg (formerly Oreshek or Klyuch-gorod).
                1. bald
                  bald 24 January 2018 12: 39
                  +3
                  Well, you give a damn! --- This is for everyone in our dialogue. I learned so much - I'm not joking --- good
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 48
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: Vasily50
              There was a fortress of GREAT NOVGOROD

              What was it called? belay

              Comrade even the mighty Church dug up: Greek Catholic. belay fool lol And you ask him some name!
  13. NKVD
    NKVD 24 January 2018 07: 44
    +4
    And would not these priests walk in the forest? Article 14 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
  14. Million
    Million 24 January 2018 07: 46
    12
    Geography and land names should capture the path of creation, not destruction

    I would count how much the Communists created and the “true believers” democrats of a market economy
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 28
      +3
      Quote: Million
      Geography and land names should capture the path of creation, not destruction

      I would count how much the Communists created and the “true believers” democrats of a market economy

      This is a completely different story ....
  15. faiver
    faiver 24 January 2018 07: 47
    +8
    Beku Bekovo, God knows, bishop, wink this censer further, baptizes children, crowns the narrowed, deceives the dead, and the state and people will understand the name of the islands as a thread and without it ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      with the name of the islands as a thread and without it the state and people will figure it out ...

      Well, you know better laughing
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 January 2018 10: 49
        0
        Well, definitely more visible than this bishop ..
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 January 2018 12: 49
          +2
          Quote: faiver
          Well, definitely more visible than this bishop ..

          You are right, no more than he has.
          1. faiver
            faiver 24 January 2018 13: 04
            +1
            I'm not in a cassock, I didn’t give vows, I don’t worship idols ...
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 January 2018 13: 11
              +2
              Quote: faiver
              I'm not in a cassock, I didn’t give vows, I don’t worship idols ...

              And you are right - as much as he has. And vice versa.
              1. faiver
                faiver 24 January 2018 13: 24
                +1
                But what about church vows? the commandments? bully
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 30
          0
          Quote: faiver
          Well, definitely more visible than this bishop ..

          Do you know him?
  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 January 2018 07: 48
    +3
    made a proposal to rename a number of islands in the Arctic
    With all due respect to the Russian Orthodox Church, but do not mix spiritual with politics. It is clear that the grievances for the period of Soviet power are large, but why make such proposals, exposing yourself to criticism? Few other problems?
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 29
      +5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      do not mix spiritual with politics.

      And why did this renaming of islands become politics? This is geography, history, but not politics. Education is just more spiritual.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 24 January 2018 09: 20
        +6
        Any renaming of streets, squares, islands, demolition of monuments - everything is connected with politics and the current situation in the country. Do you say geography? Oh well. And since when has the ROC been directly related to geography?
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 24 January 2018 17: 34
          +1
          Quote: rotmistr60
          everything is connected with politics and the current situation in the country. Do you say geography?

          and what does historical names have to do with politics, you don’t like geography, so let history be.
      2. raw174
        raw174 25 January 2018 07: 09
        0
        Quote: verner1967
        And why did this renaming of islands become politics? This is geography, history, but not politics.

        Why, over there, the Yankees renamed the square, where is our embassy ... Politics, what else! The priests want decommunization, they have long been in politics, immediately after the fall of the USSR they climbed ...
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 24 January 2018 09: 17
      +2
      The CPSU promoted the communist idea. The church is the same party, only propagating a religious idea. These and other ideas can be treated differently, I respect both that and the other. But at the moment, respecting the Russian Orthodox Church is the same as respecting the late CPSU of the 1989 model of the year, neither organization has any relation to its proclaimed principles.
  17. Blue cop
    Blue cop 24 January 2018 08: 01
    21
    the islands, which were discovered in 1913 by an expedition sent to the Arctic by Nicholas II, cannot bear the “communist” names.

    Fair
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 January 2018 08: 09
      10
      Fair
      Building. which were built during the Soviet era, should not belong to the tricolor.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 24 January 2018 08: 31
        +7
        Quote: Gardamir
        Building. which were built during the Soviet era, should not belong to the tricolor.

        How cleverly said laughing why then red flags developed over palaces and estates?
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 24 January 2018 09: 09
          +2
          why then
          I just answered the previous commentator, but you suffered in ...
      2. Lacoste
        Lacoste 24 January 2018 08: 56
        +8
        Quote: Gardamir
        Fair
        Building. which were built during the Soviet era, should not belong to the tricolor.

        Ahah)) komunyaki not cheating) shoot your red stars from the Kremlin, clowns)

        How to rename the royal names - so the first, and how they were renamed - are offended, like clowns) forward to Kamunism)))
      3. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 24 January 2018 18: 40
        +2
        We have the whole country belongs to the Soviet.
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 January 2018 08: 10
    11
    The current priests of God have forgotten and pray money bags.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 29
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      The current priests of God have forgotten and pray money bags.

      Envy is a bad feeling.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 January 2018 09: 55
        +5
        Envy is a bad feeling
        it is not envy, it is a statement of fact.

        Speaking about the impossibility of serving two masters, Jesus Christ said: “You cannot serve God and Mammon” (Matthew 6:24). In his own words, Jesus Christ denies the simultaneous worship of the forces of Good and Evil, God and the evil spirit, Light and darkness, righteousness and sin. Why is denying the worship of sin, Jesus Christ of all kinds of sin, especially condemning the service of mammon? Consider what role the cult of mammon played in pagan society.

        As already mentioned, mammon is a pagan deity, symbolizing in the countries of the ancient Near East, unrighteous wealth. But mammon is not just a pagan deity of unrighteous wealth. Behind this idol is an evil spirit opposing God. This idea is proved by the fact that Jesus Christ opposes Mammon, as a pagan deity, to God, and thereby makes it clear that this is deception, is opposed to God, and that evil spirits (false gods) are behind him, the purpose of which is to be turned off by idols (false gods) people's attention from the true God.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 29
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Envy is a bad feeling.

        And the violation of the apostolic rules is even greater. wink
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: RUSS
          Envy is a bad feeling.

          And the violation of the apostolic rules is even greater. wink

          Prove it?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 16: 10
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            Prove it?

            Diomede, bishop of Anadyr and Chukotka proved. Read, informative. Apostolic rules (the main set of rules for priests) forbid joint prayers with representatives of other religions, accepting gifts from them, and much more. Punishment - deprivation of dignity. Both Alexy (Ridiger) and Kirill (Gundyaev) repeatedly violated them.
            Once again - I am against the destruction of Christianity, I am against the POPs, who rub people for FAITH, but do not live on it themselves.
            Here is my ideal Patriarch of Serbia Pavel.
      3. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 24 January 2018 10: 50
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        The current priests of God have forgotten and pray money bags.

        Quote: RUSS
        Envy is a bad feeling

        That is, you don’t deny the fact of worshiping the golden calf by the priests? wink
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 33
          +1
          Quote: Perun's grandson
          That is, you don’t deny the fact of worshiping the golden calf by the priests?

          I deny that there are certainly "black sheep", but their number is extremely small.
          1. raw174
            raw174 25 January 2018 07: 25
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            I deny that there are certainly "black sheep", but their number is extremely small.

            Religion is the most profitable business!
            "If you want to become a truly rich person, then create your own religion" - Ron Hubbard, creator of Scientology.
            I repeat, religion is a man’s fiction designed to control people. The failure of religion is already in the fact that preachers have always tried to slow down the progress of mankind, they wrote down scientists as sorcerers, etc. Religion simply explains complex things, offers to accept everything as it appears, for God’s will, in other words, offers to become a slave. You can talk a lot about this topic ...
    2. verner1967
      verner1967 24 January 2018 19: 01
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      The current priests of God have forgotten and pray money bags.

      we don’t need all to fit in one comb, if we judge the faith like that, then let's judge the communists by the traitors Vlasov, Antilevsky, Bunyachenko, snickering members of the Politburo, such as Romanov, hung with trinkets dear Leonid Ilyich, and the other Gorbachevs with Yeltsin, there’s no number for them .. ..
  19. cedar
    cedar 24 January 2018 08: 25
    +5
    With the execution of the royal family 100 years ago, many inconsistencies ...
    Without the guarantees of the English and royal relatives of the royal family that she would survive in the sea of ​​revolutionary “chaos”, Nikolay would not have abdicated the throne. A pair of divisions taken from the front was quite enough that there would not be the October Relation Island on the map to this day. In addition, Alexander -3 gave his son along with the crown a lot of secrets of national importance. But Lenin, Trotsky and other relucers were going to rule a huge country, and for this it was necessary to know the captured country. Nicholas knew much more than these leaders of the world "proletariat."
    Therefore, and not only therefore, Ganina the pit of the royal family in 1918 did not shine.
    In the Vilkitsky Strait there is the island of Small Taimyr belonging to the archipelago of the Northern land. You can go to meet the Church and rename it in honor of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker, our soon assistant in good deeds. Especially the helper of all those traveling on the waters. As the NSR develops, the movement of caravans along the strait will only grow and it will be nice if a chapel is erected on the coastal hill, and as far as funds are possible, a monument to St. Nicholas on the shore St. Nicholas IslandLet him meet and help the caravans of ships sailing through the harsh, icy expanses of the Russian Arctic.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 24 January 2018 09: 46
      0
      Kamrad Kedr, you are right in many respects, but with the abdication of Nicholas 2, here a little is not so. Samsonov had articles about the "Februaryists" and we have talked about this more than once.
  20. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 24 January 2018 08: 28
    +5
    I don’t understand, why did everyone attack the Russian Orthodox Church in such a way ?! All correctly suggest returning historical names. And rename the streets! They carry exchanges of different troops, which, apart from terror, did not differ from others! It's time to forget this scoop, as a project to destroy Russia!
    1. faiver
      faiver 24 January 2018 08: 57
      +4
      any religion is a tool to control the human masses ..
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 24 January 2018 09: 52
      +3
      as a project to destroy Russia!
      Its OK now? Americanization at all levels, is this not destruction?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: Vlad Morozov
      They carry exchanges of different troops, which, apart from terror, did not differ from others!

      In Tolyatti, one of the central streets is named after the executioner Sverlov.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 24 January 2018 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72

        In Tolyatti, one of the central streets is named after the executioner Sverlov.

        What do the residents of Ulyanovsk feel ??? wassat
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 47
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          What do the residents of Ulyanovsk feel ???

          Mostly hunger. laughing
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 January 2018 18: 53
        +1
        persons bears the name of the executioner
        Monument to the executioner Kolchak does not bother you?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 20: 19
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Monument to the executioner Kolchak does not bother you?

          No. He is far from Sverdlovy and Trotsky. Yes and there is no monument to him in Togliatti. request By the way, Tukhachevsky Street and Guy Boulevard are still annoying. laughing
    4. raw174
      raw174 25 January 2018 07: 33
      0
      Quote: Vlad Morozov
      And rename the streets! They carry exchanges of different troops, which, apart from terror, did not differ from others! It's time to forget this scoop, as a project to destroy Russia!
      Reply Quote Complaint

      Give decommunization! We’ll fill the monument to Ilyich! Down with the bloody Stalin! Blast it to hell with the state farm. Lenin!
      You are not from the west of one former magical power for an hour?
  21. erased
    erased 24 January 2018 08: 53
    +6
    Priests completely flew off the coils. And the government does not even dare to recall that the Russian Federation is a secular state. However, after blocking the street in Moscowbad and closing schools during the Muslim holiday, talking about power, religion and order does not make sense. The Russian Federation is no longer a country, but a diagnosis.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 24 January 2018 09: 39
      +2
      Kamrad Ster, back then it was proved that this is 100% fake, and you repeat.?
      Obviously, someone (let’s not tell anyone) wants Russia to start a “jolly”. And what turns out: in Russia, Muslims and Christians live peacefully. If we remained in the position of the “Upper Volta” and we didn’t need to lay it out, now we have to find a reason for provocations.
      And attacks on Orthodoxy are an attempt once again to denigrate our past. Our Great History haunts someone
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 January 2018 10: 35
        +4
        Quote: Monarchist
        even then it was proved that it is 100% fake

        Unfortunately not a fake
  22. RusPrim
    RusPrim 24 January 2018 09: 03
    +4
    Damn In the Russian Orthodox Church do nothing more?
  23. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 24 January 2018 09: 09
    +2
    In fact, the Russian Orthodox Church is separated from the state. And where do they go again?
    1. faiver
      faiver 24 January 2018 09: 13
      0
      they do not climb, because they did not climb ...
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 09: 35
      +3
      Quote: Aviator_
      In fact, the Russian Orthodox Church is separated from the state. And where do they go again?

      Yes, the Russian Orthodox Church is separated from the state, and what? Priests do not have the right to speak? Do not have the right to offer the return of the historical names of the islands? That is, here on the forum who are not too lazy to offer to rename anything, constantly some ridiculous petitions on the Internet are riveted, and the priests should be silent in a rag?
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 January 2018 10: 52
        +1
        read the gospel ...
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 24 January 2018 13: 49
        +2
        Let them rename their churches, that’s what they’re doing
  24. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 24 January 2018 09: 17
    +2
    Yes, you leave the story alone! How much can you already rename!
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 24 January 2018 09: 21
    +5
    They take advantage of their proximity to power, and here they put forward crazy ideas. For state money, that is, my money, they built churches for themselves and sit there, people are powdering their brains, they are calling for humility. And raise your asses, but go to work with teenagers, in hospitals, yes hospices, orphanages, and shelters? Families are problematic, but incomplete? Not?
  26. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 January 2018 09: 22
    +1
    Quote: Pax tecum
    How bullied already with this royal family!
    With these attempts to "restore the monarchy" in the minds. He was an adder.
    People who know history well, facts, causal relationships understand everything perfectly.
    CJSC "ROC" is completely insolent from permissiveness. That's who begins the falsification of history, the substitution of events and concepts.
    And so the next way begins to help the supreme ruler in managing the flock (or, more simply, the herd).

    A strip on turns you can call them into a ditch. Are you serious about Anal?
    This he declares about autocrat Vladimerer.
    Speaking of Analog. When V.Ne did not want to vote for Anal, and soon the posters appeared: “Voter strike”: 18 years in power ..... only Anal is afraid of the strike on January 28, to show that В В is an illegitimate president and others. And some of the left picked up the cry for the autocrat.
    For some reason, EBN is allowed, but not another.
  27. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 24 January 2018 09: 24
    +1
    nothing else to do? zadolbalo already that constantly someone wants to change something. normal names.
  28. 89325328180
    89325328180 24 January 2018 09: 28
    +4
    Why did the seditious bishop Jacob suggest something? To return historical names to geographical objects discovered back in tsarist times ... By the way, Bishop Jacob, who has suffered so much dirt and indignation, is also a citizen of the Russian Federation. And he voiced his civic position. It has the right to ...
    1. alstr
      alstr 24 January 2018 10: 10
      +2
      Firstly, the renaming of the islands was abandoned in 2006.

      Secondly, the detailed expedition that described the archipelago was carried out under Soviet rule. Mastering is also with her. (The first expedition considered that there were only 3 out of 10 islands in the islands). And only two of them were marked correctly. The rest was considered one island.

      Thirdly, if we talk about historical justice, then let's ask the natives - as they called this land. Here they are exactly the first to dig the islands.

      Fourthly, if we compare 90 (the Soviet name) and 13 years (imperial), then 80 years as it looks more historically.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 January 2018 13: 00
        +2
        Quote: alstr
        Second, the detailed expedition, which described the archipelago was carried out under Soviet rule.

        What is America then called? recourse
        Quote: alstr
        . And only two of them were marked correctly.

        And they were given names that should be returned
        Quote: alstr
        If we talk about historical justice, then let's ask the natives - as they called this land. Here they are exactly the first to dig the islands.

        Let's. Whom?
        Quote: alstr
        If you compare 90 (Soviet name) and 13 years (imperial), then 80 years as it looks more historical

        Nothing, 80 years against the backdrop of centuries is zilch.
        1. alstr
          alstr 24 January 2018 13: 43
          +3
          America is not a very good example, because too big for many nations to call it the same. But for example, it is known that the Incas called their land "Land of the Four Quarters." Some tribes called Turtle Island.
          But the most famous case of renaming is New York. Maybe we will also rename it to New Amsterdam. We will also restore historical justice.

          And such cases are not few in history, therefore no one owes anyone with renaming.

          And if you understand it thoroughly, then you only need to rename the Small Taimyr island to Tsarevich Alexei. The island of Starokadomsky name has not changed. And the island of Land of Nicholas II turned out to be an archipelago. Therefore, the names that were given in the 30s when refining the maps have nothing to rename.
          Those. historically correct would be:
          1. Rename the archipelago into the archipelago of Nicholas 2.
          2. about. Small Taimyr to rename the island of the Crown Prince.

          And why do not they demand to rename the Strait of Vilkitsky (he, too, first bore the name of the prince)? Where is the historical truth?
          And why should the islands be called by the names of saints, and not explorers of the islands in the 30s by Nikolai Urvantsev and George Ushakov? Are they not worthy to be named after these islands?

          Regarding to ask - so there are local Chukchi tribes there. So ask them.

          And about what centuries are we talking about if the original name lasted 13 years? Something like 80 years, or rather already 90 - something like a century closer.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 January 2018 11: 18
            0
            Quote: alstr
            Those. historically correct would be:
            1. Rename the archipelago into the archipelago of Nicholas 2.
            2. about. Small Taimyr to rename the island of the Crown Prince.

            What are we talking about
            Quote: alstr
            And why should the islands be called by the names of saints, and not explorers of the islands in the 30s by Nikolai Urvantsev and George Ushakov? Are they not worthy to be named after these islands?

            As the first time they called at the opening, so rightly and fairly, IMHO.
            Quote: alstr
            Regarding to ask - so there are local Chukchi tribes there. So ask them.

            Ask. But I don’t think they are. There were 0,0001 h / km2
            Quote: alstr
            And about what centuries are we talking about if the original name lasted 13 years? Something like 80 years, or rather already 90 - something like a century closer.

            And in the future centuries, is not expected?
            1. alstr
              alstr 25 January 2018 11: 49
              0
              The fact of the matter is that they demand to rename the islands that were not opened in 1913 and do not require to rename Maly Taimyr.
              Quote "These names look comical in the Russian Arctic: Komsomolets, Bolshevik, Pioneer. Should we take our own history more seriously, respect and love our land. That we have few pioneering heroes, people we are proud of?"
              In 1913, all these islands and another 5 islands were called the Land of Nicholas 2. In 1926 it was renamed Fr. Northern land.
              At the same time, the archipelago was examined in detail in the early 30s and discovered that these were 8 islands and ATTENTION their discoverers called existing names.

              Now the question is: Where is the respect for the history and the discoverers of these 8 islands (and the bishop is calling for this)?
  29. dauria
    dauria 24 January 2018 09: 35
    +9
    These names look comical in the Russian Arctic: Komsomolets, Bolshevik, Pioneer.


    This is ridiculous. Just do not want to laugh, it's time to cry. .
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 24 January 2018 13: 46
      +4
      Quote: dauria
      These names look comical in the Russian Arctic: Komsomolets, Bolshevik, Pioneer.


      This is ridiculous. Just do not want to laugh, it's time to cry. .

      Survived
  30. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 January 2018 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Gardamir
    Building. which were built during the Soviet era, should not belong to the tricolor.

    How cleverly said laughing why then red flags developed over palaces and estates?

    Cool said
  31. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 January 2018 09: 54
    +5
    Yes, we must not forget that it was the Romanov family that was guilty of enslaving the Russian people as slaves by serfdom and that these bastards got what they deserved !!! And those who killed the Romanovs are folk heroes !!!
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      And those who killed the Romanovs are folk heroes !!!

      What is it that everything is so bad with your health and life?
    2. dSK
      dSK 24 January 2018 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      folk heroes !!!
      Trying in vain, more than thirty "comrade" Soros will not give you.
  32. astepanov
    astepanov 24 January 2018 10: 06
    +3
    I’m wondering, what did Tsarevich Aleksey do so much, that the island should be called by his name? And what distinguished Nicholas II, in addition to being discredited wherever possible? And is it not enough, finally, to lie about the execution of the tsar - no one shot him (they shot the ex-tsar, citizen Romanov)? And how many more gentlemen long-maned will test society for strength, arranging provocation after provocation?
  33. annodomene
    annodomene 24 January 2018 10: 08
    +5
    Then with the Russian Orthodox Church money to reissue cards and lots, I think a tidy sum will work out. You should not be compared to some "comrades" who are not comrades at all to us - to rename everything in a row. Let at least at this stage everything remains unchanged, IMHO.
  34. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 24 January 2018 10: 27
    +1
    The Communists are precisely the force that distorted our Russian history with foam at the mouth and, for the sake of the West, poured mud on everything Russian, everything that the Russian people had created before the arrival of those possessed.

    The possessed ones were just before the Communists. For a long time before the Revolution of the 17th, they managed to crush history (for the sake of the dynasty and for the glory of the "enlightened" west), the country and people.
  35. fix
    fix 24 January 2018 10: 31
    +2
    Renaming want to erase the memory of the country's past? Well, how then is the proposal of the Russian Orthodox Church different from the decisions of the Bolsheviks?
    Maybe enough to decide for the people? Why do we need the right to referenda?
  36. cedar
    cedar 24 January 2018 10: 41
    +1
    Quote: Monarchist
    Kamrad Kedr, you are right in many respects, but with the abdication of Nicholas 2, here a little is not so. Samsonov had articles about the "Februaryists" and we have talked about this more than once.


    I agree, but there is no time to write all the arguments for and against ...
  37. shura7782
    shura7782 24 January 2018 11: 01
    +2
    When Leningrad was renamed to St. Pererburg, were there also battles in the information field? Tell me, who was completely insolent there?
  38. gig334
    gig334 24 January 2018 11: 05
    0
    Do they want to decommunize? apparently the mistakes of the neighbors do not teach anything. I am against renaming these islands.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 24 January 2018 19: 22
      +1
      Decommunization was carried out by Stalin, pushing all kinds of Kuns into their own meat grinder.
  39. K-50
    K-50 24 January 2018 11: 09
    +1
    The Russian Orthodox Church made a proposal to rename a number of islands in the Arctic.

    What? Priests do nothing more? Or wish to denyuzhki then drank at the "consecration" of the "new" islands?
    The church is a commercial organization now and for a long time is not really engaged in matters of belief !!!
    FATTY FAT go around, even the haste takes where their posts and lean food are, all in gold and on expensive foreign cars. Is this what the church should do, and where is spirituality in all this?
    Or maybe the church’s business in writing out indulgences / repentance of the “new Russian” thieves?
    Shame !!!! am sad negative
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 41
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      What? Priests do nothing more? Or wish to denyuzhki then drank at the "consecration" of the "new" islands?

      The funniest and most moronic reason for renaming the islands I heard today! Burn on!
      1. K-50
        K-50 24 January 2018 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        The funniest and most moronic reason for renaming the islands I heard today! Burn on!

        Well, once asked, then listen! laughing
        In general, the church’s penetration into all worldly affairs is completely “jammed”.
        "Sanctification" alone, with or without cause, causes laughter, such as, for example, splashing "holy water" on space rockets. are you not funny about this?
        And how did everyone rush together in the church? Yesterday's "communists / atheists" today are "true believers." In the air they managed to repaint and smear. Those who criticized priests at meetings of “communists / Komsomol members” quite a long time ago voted to reprimand their comrades who baptized a child in a church or got married. Such repainted ones are just disgusting to me.
        If you believe, then you believe in spite of any circumstances. And belief for the sake of "fashion" and "an adherence to the majority", except for disgust, do not cause anything.
        Look at your priests, if you are a believer, and compare them with the ascetics of Christ, as they painted before. You see the difference. And what is not the commercial organization of the church after that? And how did they beg for the possibility of non-payment of customs duties for industrial products delivered from abroad in the 90s, in particular in the form of video cassettes. Is this the business of the Church? but the “church services price list”? The church lived on BEING, but did not set prices for them, these are price lists in hairdressing salons, at prostitutes, and this does not correlate with a VOLUNTARY donation, because one has to pay a “price tag” to pick one’s nose and to refuse another “bread”.
        So decide for yourself whether I am right or not.
        Do not think that I want true believers to insult or cause any anti-religious thoughts / actions. "Everyone goes crazy in his own way," but the Church’s statement about renaming the islands does not reflect anything other than STUPIDness of churchmen. NOT THIS IT IS !!!! am
  40. Romanenko
    Romanenko 24 January 2018 11: 25
    0
    This is something that does not sit exactly? Pray and fast, there’s nothing to climb where you don’t need to! The Novaya Zemlya archipelago was mastered under Soviet rule, not by priests or democrats with liberists, it has nothing to do with the tsar’s family, so all the names of the islands on it are given by those who discovered them and adapted them for development for the needs of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. And there’s nothing to climb there with a censer.
    And in general, it seems to us that the church is separated from the state, so let the grandmothers grind their brains, and to whom to share in state affairs with us, and so on, in excess, or maybe they can all be sent to the New Land together ???
    And let yourself rename what they want there.
  41. Nemesis
    Nemesis 24 January 2018 12: 28
    +1
    The Russian Orthodox Church has nothing to get into politics; this is not the business of the church. In 1917, the church already entered politics, for which it suffered, but made no conclusions from its mistakes ... It is sad ... And the canonization of Nicholas II, this is blasphemy ...
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 January 2018 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: Nemesis
      It is sad ... And the canonization of Nicholas II, this is blasphemy ...

      Blasphemy mummies bow.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 24 January 2018 16: 13
        +1
        The mummy electrified the whole country and eliminated illiteracy, although this does not cancel its crimes and political mistakes. The (holy) king, with the courtiers, plundered the entire budget, stupidly lost two wars and brought the country to three revolutions ...
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 24 January 2018 19: 04
          +1
          Quote: Nemesis
          mediocre lost two wars and brought the country to three revolutions ...

          here in more detail, so what revolution overthrew the king? And who signed the infamous Brest peace? Is the king really?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 24 January 2018 19: 06
            +1
            The peace of Brest, as well as the shameful outcome of the Russo-Japanese war, is entirely on the conscience of a thief with the surname Romanov. This is the Tsar’s brother received from the people of Klikuha Prince Tsusimsky for drinking the money of the Russian military department with French girls, and then drove off to Paris.
            1. verner1967
              verner1967 24 January 2018 21: 16
              +1
              Quote: Nemesis
              The Brest Peace, as well as the shameful outcome of the Russo-Japanese War

              why cling one event to another? What would justify the nonsense that you wrote?
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 24 January 2018 23: 09
                0
                And events are interconnected. Russia was defeated in the war with Germany and Japan because the tsar and courtiers plundered the entire military budget and drank it with French girls
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 25 January 2018 06: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  Russia was defeated in the war with Germany

                  belay fool
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 25 January 2018 10: 06
                    0
                    So turn it around ... Russia during the first six months of the First World War shot all strategic ammunition stockpiles and Russian artillery answered with one shot at 10 German ones. Russia did not have mortars larger than 89 mm and the Izhora plant produced only about a dozen, while Germany had 170 mm mortars. Russia did not have fighter aircraft, and a dozen bombers Ilya Muromets did not weather, for Germany had only a hundred similar to the 4 and 5 motor bombers of the Stacken company, not counting about 400 medium twin-engine bombers of the Gotha company ... The Romanovs plundered the treasury and sent soldiers not to war, but to the slaughter, with bare hands ...
                    1. verner1967
                      verner1967 26 January 2018 20: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Nemesis
                      So turn it around ... Russia during the first six months of the First World War shot all strategic ammunition stockpiles and Russian artillery answered with one shot at 10 German ones. Russia did not have mortars larger than 89 mm and the Izhora plant produced only about a dozen, while Germany had 170 mm mortars. Russia did not have ....
                      and what does this have to do with mythical defeats?
                      The USSR had everything, only judging by the given territory, somehow it did not work at the initial stage, more and more boilers, but retreats ...
                      1. Nemesis
                        Nemesis 26 January 2018 21: 04
                        0
                        Well, if you are not able to understand how the lag of the Russian army in the quantity of ammunition and the quality of the armament had to the defeat of the Russian army in the Russo-Japanese and World War I then there is nothing to talk about ... The failures of the USSR are connected with the cowardice of the leadership, not who ordered a preemptive strike on Germany with all the forces of bomber aircraft, and the failures of the Russian Empire are primarily associated with the theft of the Romanovs, who plundered the budget and skipped Russian money with French girls ...
      2. albert
        albert 24 January 2018 19: 18
        +2
        This is true, churches are full of mummies and bones. wink
  42. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 24 January 2018 14: 20
    +3
    If you rename islands such as Nameless, Small, Big, Long, etc. - then the flag in hand. But the Soviet legacy without us Russophobic Europe is trying to wipe, destroy, rename.
  43. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 24 January 2018 15: 30
    +1
    Quote: shura7782
    When Leningrad was renamed to St. Pererburg, were there also battles in the information field?

    With St. Petersburg and other "burgs" in Russia, a separate no less interesting topic for discussion. The presence in our country of all kinds of “burgs” means only the absence of brains and national pride.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 24 January 2018 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: MRomanovich
      The presence in our country of all kinds of “burgs” means only the absence of brains and national pride.

      well, yes, without brains and national pride, they defeated the Swede, cutting through the door to Europe
      1. MRomanovich
        MRomanovich 25 January 2018 03: 43
        0
        Quote: verner1967
        well, yes, without brains and national pride, they defeated the Swede, cutting through the door to Europe

        Do not forget that at that time there was an imitation of the West at almost the state level. By the way, this very imitation is the notorious "window to Europe."
  44. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 24 January 2018 16: 53
    0
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Here is an excerpt from the film, which in the early 2000s was played on all channels.

    It would be possible to add to this film from the memoirs of Army General Tyulenev how our soldiers threw four-kilogram tank mines into the approaching tanks and as a commander who lost his eye and was wounded in the leg, during the attack he demanded that the soldiers carry him in the attack.
  45. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 24 January 2018 17: 18
    +1
    Can Komsomol members rename the Komsomolets island?
  46. Alexey Sobolev
    Alexey Sobolev 24 January 2018 17: 30
    +2
    The bishop of Naryan-Mar and Mezensky, did Jacob want fame while sitting in Naryan-Mar and Mezen? I don’t understand ...
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  48. Air defense SSH
    Air defense SSH 25 January 2018 03: 46
    0
    Priests need to get into politics and history less and think more about reconciliation of people, and not about their separation. There is not even an hour in the Sumerian republic and the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra will be lost ...RUSS,
  49. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 25 January 2018 06: 48
    0
    And why does the church go into state affairs, violating the constitution. And so she rewrote the history of Russia for herself.
  50. kaschey
    kaschey 25 January 2018 10: 25
    0
    It’s not a royal thing - to rename the islands.
    Specifically, the atmosphere is being pumped up so that people would think less about creation.