Two accomplices in an attack on a school in Ulan-Ude detained

In the Republic of Buryatia, law enforcement agencies detained two accomplices in an attack on a school in Ulan-Ude. Recall that the attack on the school (school №5 microdistrict Sosnovy Bor) was carried out by students of the same school 19 January. The schoolboy threw an incendiary bottle into the office, and then attacked the teacher and students of the 7 class. As a result, seven people were injured and injured, including the teacher and the attacker himself.

Press office Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation gives a comment about the detention in a previously initiated criminal case:

After the interrogation of the accused, witnesses, victims and other investigative actions, it was established that the attacker committed the crime in complicity with his classmates, one of whom was 15 years old, the second was 14 years old. They shared the mood of the accused, knew about his plans, helped to make an incendiary bottle, made sure that the teacher was in the classroom, and then watched the environment in order to warn about the danger of detecting their criminal intentions.

Two accomplices arrested. They have already been charged, and the investigation is petitioning the court to elect a measure of restraint in the form of remand in custody against the defendants.

The investigation of the criminal case continues.

It is known that in Ulan-Ude there works a commission of the apparatus of the children's ombudsman, Anna Kuznetsova, trying to understand the motives of the incident.

Comments

[vladimirvn]

Wanted thieves romance? Eat, do not choke? In the latrine, brush them with toothbrushes.

[siberalt]

There are three degrees of dementia (medical). But none of them can be used on this forum, in Russian, too, bashing, even literary. In general, the brains of the boys are sick. Will pass examination and in a mental hospital for treatment.

[Spartanez300]

Plant in full regardless of age.

[Piramidon]

I have not heard thieves throw Molotov cocktails. Most likely seen enough of Svidomo neighbors. Or maybe even their names on "O" end

[Herculesic]

Well done! And then what is another region, and another city where the same thing will happen again? You need to fundamentally change the whole system! And this is so, zilch! Tomorrow, this will happen in several cities of Russia, and again we will look for the switchman!

[verner1967]

Quote: Herkulesich

You need to fundamentally change the whole system!

Please specify which system or system of what?

[Mestny]

Exactly. Exactly.
As a rule, system changers, proceeding to the description of specific actions, immediately organize a children's circus with geese and piglets.

[Orionvit]

Quote: verner1967

Please specify which system or system of what?

Education. To start.

[verner1967]

Quote: Orionvit

Education. To start.

Well, from which to which? And what did this not please you?

[Orionvit]

At least the old Soviet, which is almost one in one, was adopted from an even older gymnasium. Are you satisfied with everything? Apparently yes.

[verner1967]

Quote: Orionvit

Are you satisfied with everything?

to answer this question, explain how the Soviet system differs from the current one? By the way, in my memory there were two "old Soviet" ones, which one do you prefer?

Quote: Orionvit

almost one to one, adopted from an even older gymnasium

judging by this statement, you are very far from education.

[Orionvit]

I don’t know what I’m far from there, but it was I who finished the Soviet school. I don’t understand what two Soviet schools you are talking about, but I think that the best system was when teachers and not academics wrote textbooks and methods. That is, before the reform of the 70s.

to answer this question, explain how the Soviet system differs from the current?]

Everyone, except for the presence of external attributes, namely lessons, classes, teachers, students, textbooks and the school itself.

[verner1967]

Quote: Orionvit

Everyone except the presence of external attributes,

everything is clear, you can not continue ...

[Orionvit]

Quote: verner1967

everything is clear, you can not continue ...

Similarly.

[Baloo]

Quote: Herkulesich

Well done! And then what is another region, and another city where the same thing will happen again? You need to fundamentally change the whole system! And this is so, zilch! Tomorrow, this will happen in several cities of Russia, and again we will look for the switchman!

It is far from such topics, but first of all the thought came of the AUE Malyava. I do not know why. Criminals need such stupid, illiterate performers.

[Irokez]

Quote: Herkulesich

Tomorrow, this will happen in several cities of Russia, and again we will look for the switchman!

Great thing is the internet and the information age. Previously, few people knew about the problems in schools from the population (well, except in the school where the child studied), but right now everything is spread across the Internet.
And in the USSR there were as many cases of all kinds of inconceivable acts and vandalism and fights and everything else. They are children, and especially in the transitional age of 12-16 years, the brain is reformatted, and for some, the roof just goes, and then it becomes a handbrake again. By the way, the most cruel and reckless - these are children who have not yet developed a worldview and the principles of "bad - good" they are still in search. There were always many difficult teenagers and in the USSR they were shoved from school to school, and then to special schools for difficult teenagers, but they always were.
All teachers simply need to erect monuments for the harmful psychological conditions in which they work and give milk for the harmfulness.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Irokez

There have always been many difficult teenagers

Here you correctly noticed, as well as the Internet. But only under the Union, all “difficult teenagers” were registered with the relevant authorities and the parents of these teenagers were responsible, at least administratively. For example, the “cool” dad of such a child could easily lose a good position. Now all do not give a damn about everything until something happens. Well, liberalism, a "reverent" attitude towards the individual, "rights and freedoms" and other nonsense. And then at the hands of "quivering personalities", the children die, not to mention the rest.

[Abracadabrus]

When I once again came to the elections to my native school, I found the turnstiles installed at the entrance, my heart sank painfully. There was a clear understanding that if turnstiles appeared, then acts of violence with victims were not far off. Alas, we can no longer educate young people in schools, for ideology is prohibited by constitution. But there is freedom, pluralism, liberalism, turnstiles at the entrance and pools of blood in the school corridors. Democracy, cho.

[andrewkor]

I remember even in childhood a particularly harmful old woman, I chased us guys, why in vain, dreamed of a bug from the bugs in the window, sold them in pharmacies, abandoned it, and did not dare, any brakes were present, and then grew up and calmed down on her score.

[verner1967]

Quote: andrewkor

any brakes were present,

So these brakes hung at home in the closet, in the form of a father's belt. And now parents have moved away from raising their offspring, everyone hopes that someone else will raise them. There’s one here even going to change some system.

[Baloo]

Quote: verner1967

So these brakes hung at home in the closet, in the form of a father's belt.

There was no such brake in my childhood. It was just that there was no time to do stupid things. Mugs, library, workouts.

And now parents have moved away from raising their offspring, everyone hopes that someone else will raise them.

They have a TV and gadgets. And children need communication, joint experiences, positive emotions.

[verner1967]

Quote: Balu

And now parents have moved away from education

Quote: Balu

And children need communication, joint experiences,

don't you find that it’s the same thing?

Quote: Balu

there was no time to do stupid things. Mugs, library, workouts.

not everywhere there were circles and trainings, but I didn’t want to do stupid things even without circles and trainings

[andrewkor]

It was, it was, but Dad was a little shell-shocked, in the army, the shanderachnlo bridge-layers, barely survived!

[ImPerts]

There are different opinions about this. Someone thinks. that this is the result of the propaganda of certain "gurus" in social networks. Someone thinks that this is the absence of punitive psychiatry. I believe that this is due to the fact that we live in an era of actively advertised consumption.
Consumer attitudes towards the upbringing of the younger generation led to the fact that parents often refuse to participate in raising children. They say this should be done in kindergarten, at school, at the institute. And if you used to be a party committee, a place that could take careless parents into circulation, now this is not the case.
And of course, the attitude towards teachers has changed. If earlier they were arbiters, priests and magicians, now it’s just service personnel who are paid a salary from their taxes.
A typical situation. Parents brazenly declare to the teacher that it is his duty to teach, since they pay him his salary. But once the child is put in place, they immediately begin to resent the fact that they offended the child. How dare you?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: ImPerts

And of course, the attitude towards teachers has changed. If earlier it was arbiters, priests and magicians, now it’s just a staff

I completely agree. Previously, there were at least some “brakes”. Exclusion from school generally put an end to biography. And now - try to exclude de-bil or scumbag, most likely they will fire you. And you can’t plant him, because juvenile. But the defenders of the rights of minors and all sorts of juvenile figures there are like uncut dogs.

[ghby]

Quote: Polite Elk

And now - try to exclude de-bil or scumbag, most likely they will fire you. And you can’t plant him, because juvenile. But the defenders of the rights of minors and all sorts of juvenile figures there are like uncut dogs.

Damn, defenders of rights, minors are usually especially cynical and cruel in their misconduct and crimes, there are no brakes by nature. Their upbringing was stopped only by a belt, a belt in the ass. In my environment, everyone received pranks, and nothing normal people grew up. And children growing up in permissiveness, without a real reaction from their parents to their flights, have great risks of breaking the line separating them from the crime, which will already be a prison. They stupidly do not understand what is wrong, they just could do everything and their parents supported them in all their schools.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: ghby

And children who grow up in permissiveness, without a real reaction from their parents to their flights, have great risks of breaking the line separating them from the crime,

Some parents deserve whipping to a much greater extent than their children.

[verner1967]

Quote: ImPerts

A typical situation. Parents brazenly declare to the teacher that it is his duty to teach, since they pay him his salary. But once the child is put in place, they immediately begin to resent the fact that they offended the child. How dare you?

I completely agree! Straight, removed from the tongue

[nik-karata]

ImPertz Today, 06:02

Parents brazenly declare to the teacher that it is his duty to teach - to educate

I do not dispute your point of view.
But here the teacher said that she is not obliged to teach ... she provides public services! Do you want an education? ... hire a tutor. Voooot!

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nik-karata

But here the teacher said that she is not obliged to teach ... she provides public services! Do you want an education? ... hire a tutor.

The response to the depreciation of teacher labor. Protection of the nervous system from the rudeness and impunity of some students. To score on the results of one’s labor is practically the only possible action of a teacher with his lack of rights.
In your case, I am almost sure that such a statement by the teacher was not made “from scratch”. In the institutes, they are all invested in how to carry the rational, good, eternal into the world. And then they face our harsh reality. Someone is suffering, and someone ... on the table.

[nik-karata]

Response to the depreciation of teacher labor

Teachers in the USSR-Russia never made a lot of money. I have a mom teacher all my life. And Dmitry Anatolyevich will not let you lie.

... the teacher’s actions in his lack of rights

On every street, at every crossroads, near each house, from all Russians it is only heard that they have the right .....

... the statement by the teacher was not made “from scratch”.

It is quite perhaps because of one go-ota who "dopped" her, she decided to "win back at all" with her own power? ...

[ImPerts]

Quote: nik-karata

But here the teacher said that she is not obliged to teach ... she provides public services!

She's right. She provides a service. When people come to the store and want to buy sausage, they choose for the price. You can also find for 100 rub per kg. Here for 100 rub per kg is a public service. And for 400 - this is a tutor.
And if there is 100 or 400, then this is a personal choice for everyone)))

[nik-karata]

In your opinion, school is now an extra link in the chain: student-education?
Instead of school - tutor?

[ImPerts]

Quote: nik-karata

In your opinion, school is now an extra link in the chain: student-education?
Instead of school - tutor?

Again.
If you want a tasty sausage - pay extra and buy on 400. If you want according to the standard - eat according to 100 what they give.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: nik-karata

Teachers in the USSR-Russia never made a lot of money.

I do not argue. But there was universal respect for both people and the profession. And the costs of ambition in the Union were more modest.

Quote: nik-karata

from all Russians it’s only heard that they have the right

Regarding teachers about rights, one can say the following: if before a teacher could grab a mischievous student by the ear and take him out the door with the condition that tomorrow he would go to school with his father, and that was normal and worked very well, now such actions will cause other consequences including for the teacher. And about:

Quote: nik-karata

because of one go-ota who "dopped" her, she decided to "win back at all" with her power

so it’s all over the place. For example - you get caught by the traffic police, who has just been torn off by the authorities.

[Dedall]

You are not right, nik-karata, the teaching profession was one of the highest paid. A simple teacher, without ranks and experience, received 70 rubles at school in the 250s. A doctor, for example, 125 rubles.

[Orionvit]

But here the teacher said that she is not obliged to teach ... she provides public services! Do you want an education? ... hire a tutor. Voooot

Parents and teachers are simply obliged to work together. Maybe the teacher is more in the field of education, and parents in the field of education. For example, my daughter does not study at a public school (especially in Ukraine, God forbid), but in a class according to the Waldorf education system, where the participation of parents in the process of training and education is simply necessary. And the teacher, who stated that she provides the public service, by her own right, was placed in these conditions and she simply voiced the words of her former direct boss, the “minister”.

[tchoni]

Not a word about the motives of the pest crime. As well as on a similar occasion in Perm.

[Orionvit]

Quote: tchoni

Not a word about motives

What are the motives, the usual sick psyche, which during puberty and a hormonal explosion, malfunctions. And all sorts of Internet and general connivance with absolute impunity create a breeding ground for the development of such anomalies. It is clear that mental disorders cannot be cured, but it is possible, even necessary, to dull and direct it in another direction. Only in a liberal society, everyone does not care. The question is, what does the army of “child psychologists” do, which every school has?

[nik-karata]

... occasion in Perm

Case in PERM!!! Permian - regional center Perm the edges. Permian!!!

[Victor_B]

No, not enough of our cool American!
If the short-barrel was in his hands, the result would be completely different.
FREEDOM OF FREE RUNNING OF SHORT-HOLE IN RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!
Well, there is not enough equipment for our juvenile delinquents. How much can you do with a kitchen knife? A real knife, such as a military one, as in videos about a knife fight, is also not available to shkolot ... Pichalka ...
But the correct social orientation (it’s also motivation) instead of killing oneself like this is the hard work of our enemies.
Be vigilant! The State Department is not asleep! The enemy now not only eavesdrops, but also peeps!
And assent!
And subtlety!
Well, if seriously, then youth can easily be taken "weakly". There is still no real brain.
But there is access to the brain!

[Same lech]

FREEDOM OF FREE RUNNING OF SHORT-HOLE IN RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!

Yes, yes ... they will kill you with knives, axes, bricks and you will also scream to the killers ... I am against the short-barreled ... I am against the weapon ... I am against violence ... it’s not funny by myself.

Tell me how to protect a simple citizen from the attack of killers and not to go to jail at the same time.

[Victor_B]

Yes!
And another free secretive wearing thereof.
Otherwise, all the charm down the drain!
Here in the Canadian region it is not difficult to obtain a license. And own. Only here to vilify in your pocket ... how to say it ... harmful, in general.
Have you seen folding manicure scissors with your wife? It is folding ones when the blades hide in rings. If you (or your wife) have this in your pocket, then this secretive carrying cold steel. No way, well, just really, really! But the fact that we have knives - a hefty cleaver, you can! In the bus. But only on condition that open over clothes.
And possess weapons, but at home. On shootings or in a shooting gallery or on the nature. Weapons only in special boxes!

[Same lech]

And possess weapons, but at home. On shootings or in a shooting gallery or on the nature. Weapons only in special boxes!

It’s not a weapon ... but the fact that you do not have the right to injure the bandits while defending yourself ... God forbid you will miss the beaten off blow of the knife of a fucked teenager and knock him out, you will go to jail and not the teenager ... that’s our insanity justice systems.
The one who defends and not the one who attacks is responsible for the consequences ...this is unfair in principle.

[Victor_B]

God forbid, you will miss the beat off the blow of the knife of a fucked teenager and knock out his eye, you will go to jail and not the teenager ... that’s the insanity our justice systems

You wrote about the Anglo-Saxon laws.
Try to negro in Canada with a knife in the eye and pull into the cops!
Yeah! You will be to blame for everything! He attacked a peaceful animal and knocked out his eye!

[Same lech]

Yeah! You will be to blame for everything! He attacked a peaceful animal and knocked out his eye!

So we are in the same position as the victim at least some comfort.

[Victor_B]

So we are in the same position as the victim

Yeah! Right now!
Your knife (prove that it’s not), your eye is broken,
And he is all rainbow-colored and lives in Toronto on Church Street (in the very center).
And there they are ...
(voice of Barrymore) p ...! Sir!

[Same lech]

And there they are ...

I was not in Toronto unfortunately, but I regularly encountered drug addicts and alcoholics from our Novosibirsk people ... completely inadequate people and I had to keep my ears open so that they would not stick a knife in the back.

[Victor_B]

Yes, here in the city center, in the very fact, there are more homeless people and beggars than we have in the "holy nineties", and marijuana is legalized any day.

[Vitas]

The Ombudsman arrived, so that the children would not be strongly judged?

[Same lech]

It would be better if he came to the crippled children and helped them survive all this horror.

[Mountain shooter]

In the field, the wind, in ... smoke. It’s good to be young ... They used to talk about such things - they sniff glue. Aggressive morons. These have always been. And they will probably. Usually their behavior follows fashion ... That's why there are such "epidemics" - information is spread instantly, and earlier - only rumors - the media did not write about such cases ...

[rotmistr60]

If in the same Buryatia there were only these three moral witches, then we could say thanks to law enforcement agencies and calm down. But how many are there in the country, and a bad example is always contagious. So think about what to do and how to be.

[9PA]

The accused KMFDM fan Columbus did not hide his Nazi views, stepfather Major Airborne.

[Orionvit]

In most cases, the stepfather is not the father and the stepson is not the son. This is the problem of divorces, and then we ask where the "difficult children" come from. It is clear that if a son is a moron, this is forever, but an inferior family will only aggravate a mental defect.

[andrej-shironov]

They are the kids! It is necessary for the Ministry of Education to take the initiative to stop the persecution of children involved in this! At least in Ukraine they did!

[Slipper 2]

Products of our upbringing and education
The farther into the forest "the thicker the partisans", the next bastards will be even worse

[Nemesis]

The saddest thing is that the criminals will not suffer the harsh punishment they deserve ... You will see - The verdict in this case will be ridiculously mild ... and impunity will provoke the same animals to similar actions.