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Russia is developing a project of reusable rocket "Crown"

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Russia can create a new reusable single-stage launch vehicle “Korona”, said Sergey Molchanov, deputy general designer of the Makeyev Center.


In the project "Crown" is proposed to abandon the gradual transition to reusable means of breeding. According to Molchanov, instead, the designers intend to develop a single-stage, fully reusable carrier, without intermediate stages, which only lengthen the transition time to reusable systems and make them more expensive.

Russia is developing a project of reusable rocket "Crown"


The Crown will be a reusable, single-stage, vertical take-off and landing design, equipped with take-off and shock absorbers. The most energy-intensive elements in the rocket systems can be used at least 25 times, and the total resource of the rocket will be at least one hundred flights.
- declared Molchanov

A specific feature of the Korona rocket will be the possibility of using a whole range of multi-launch launch systems, in which landing fuel is spent on launching a satellite and returning fuel is delivered by a carrier tanker.
The engine is considered to be an external expansion power unit with a modular combustion chamber operating on environmentally friendly fuel, kerosene and liquefied oxygen.

The main structural material is carbon fiber, ceramic tiles are used in thermal protection, RIA reports News
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  1. Vard
    Vard 23 January 2018 14: 37
    +5
    It seems that this project, taking into account the tremendous experience in creating spacecraft and the fact that Russia has far ahead of everyone in engines, will be successful ... The main will to create and finance ...
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 23 January 2018 14: 57
      23
      Why broadcast this news as an established fact, only the people are badassed. This is still more like Wishlist Makeevtsev, here there will be a sketchbook then you can dream, and so on, while fantasies. And in the federal space program of Roscosmos this is not.
      1. Gogia
        Gogia 23 January 2018 15: 39
        +2
        Makeevtsy developed this project in detail. By the way, the RD-170 was developed under Energy for 10-fold use, but a real flight showed the possibility of using the most expensive part of the launch vehicle - the engine up to 25 times. If in the early 2000s the state suggested that in the USA with their technological superiority they would create a reusable system, then the Crown would have already been launched. Our boobies are always prose with a rally ...
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 23 January 2018 15: 43
          +6
          Then there was no time. God grant that everything will go now.
          And then light rockets, at 6,5 million per launch, began to be launched by satellites. So there is no choice. hi
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 23 January 2018 16: 14
            +1
            Well, we have even cheaper to display small satellites. A few dozen are taken to the Union. It's cheaper.
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 23 January 2018 16: 34
            +2
            Quote: Alex777
            And it’s already light missiles, at 6,5 million per launch, satellites began to display

            Note light companions. Now the progress is such that satellites will soon display a hundred at a time with fireworks, but not many are capable of the real load.
        2. maxim947
          maxim947 23 January 2018 15: 47
          +2
          Makeevtsy developed this project in detail.

          Yes, everyone would be happy, but do not anticipate events. And impossible in detail to work out such a powerful project within a single design bureau without allies. This is a lot of work involving many organizations, their conclusions are taken into account, etc., etc., in one design bureau you can make an advance project, no more.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 23 January 2018 16: 37
            +1
            Quote: maxim947
            inside one design bureau you can make an advance project, no more

            So it is true, but I am more than sure that the preliminary developments, sketches and calculations, have been done for a long time.
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 January 2018 19: 03
          +3
          Quote: Gogia
          USA with their technological superiority

          Excuse me, what technological superiority are we talking about? He is not in nature. The United States has financial superiority, not technological.
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 24 January 2018 00: 42
        +2
        Quote: maxim947
        Why broadcast this news as an established fact, only the people are badassed. This is still more like Wishlist Makeevtsev, here there will be a sketchbook then you can dream, and so on, while fantasies. And in the federal space program of Roscosmos this is not.


        Well, how long will all this chatter ?? in the 90s, Rossiyskaya Gazeta wrote a lot about such a system. By the mid-1990s, at Molniya NPO, this system took on a complete form - MAKS (Reusable Aerospace System), which provided for the delivery of 8,5-10 tons of payload in orbit and 18-19 tons in unmanned .

        but with VO dated September 6, 2013 (!) of the year -
        Already through 2-3 of the year, the Russian aviation space-launched missile system, being developed as part of the Air Launch project, can conduct the first tests. The latest version of the ARKK Air Launch was presented at the MAKS-2013 air show in the Moscow-based Zhukovsky air show. The implementation of this project is engaged in the State Rocket Center (SRC) them. Makeeva, who develops it in collaboration with the private company Polet. Sergey Egorov, a leading specialist of the State Research Center, in an interview with the Rosinformburo website noted that everyone will know about us through 2-3. According to Egorov, Polet is ready to provide its An-124-100 Ruslan for carrying out practical tests. At the initial stage of testing with the help of mock-ups, cargo discharge from the aircraft and the initial stages of launch will be worked out.

        well? ... so many options were worked out ... it was - with the An-225 carrier Mriya, and then with the Ruslan ... they haven’t tried it with the airship yet ... recourse
      3. Titsen
        Titsen 24 January 2018 06: 37
        0
        Quote: maxim947
        more like Wishlist Makeevtsev


        I also want a lot!

        But I can not...
    2. 210ox
      210ox 23 January 2018 15: 06
      +2
      I agree. Will and reason ... And the lack of thieves near the project .. And gouging mounting sensors krivoruko .. And .. And .. A lot of everything. When we do then and we will be proud.
      Quote: Vard
      It seems that this project, taking into account the tremendous experience in creating spacecraft and the fact that Russia has far ahead of everyone in engines, will be successful ... The main will to create and finance ...
    3. Ierarh
      Ierarh 23 January 2018 15: 18
      +3
      This Crown is older than I can. She lay on paper ....
      And is it ... one-step in our latitudes? Without Mon or what?
    4. PN
      PN 23 January 2018 15: 23
      +7
      Launch a rocket, followed by a tanker ... Is the tanker disposable? Even a strange idea ...
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 23 January 2018 15: 36
        +4
        And for lowering the tanker, another smaller tanker. And so until the size of the last tanker is reduced to the Lada gas tank.
    5. Do not care
      Do not care 23 January 2018 15: 41
      10
      Quote: Vard
      It seems that this project, taking into account the tremendous experience in creating spacecraft and the fact that Russia has far ahead of everyone in engines, will be successful ... The main will to create and finance ...





      Do you really think that an electronic engineer with such a salary can create something? There is only the iron will to bury the Russian cosmonautics.


      For comparison, the salaries of SpaceX:

      1. Muvka
        Muvka 23 January 2018 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: Do not care
        Quote: Vard
        It seems that this project, taking into account the tremendous experience in creating spacecraft and the fact that Russia has far ahead of everyone in engines, will be successful ... The main will to create and finance ...





        Do you really think that an electronic engineer with such a salary can create something? There is only the iron will to bury the Russian cosmonautics.


        For comparison, the salaries of SpaceX:


        Can I link to the site where you saw this?
        I have here for some reason empty http://makeyev.ru/kadrovay/job/
        1. Do not care
          Do not care 23 January 2018 17: 14
          0
          Already cleaned.
          Screen from the blog Delyagin:

          https://delyagin.ru/articles/183-novosti/56319-za
          rplata-inzhenera-tsentra-raketnykh-tekhnologiy-rf
          -10-12-tr
          1. Muvka
            Muvka 23 January 2018 17: 58
            +3
            Or maybe it's a banal photoshop? There the site even looks different. Try better, fake
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 23 January 2018 19: 40
          0
          So maybe it's a salary per day?
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 23 January 2018 22: 49
            0
            So maybe it's a salary per day?
            In our latitudes there is no such thing. but there is an hourly pay wink
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 23 January 2018 16: 44
        +1
        For reference, in the United States, all salaries are calculated as annual income. It is only here that our salary is considered by months.
        1. Do not care
          Do not care 23 January 2018 17: 16
          +2
          Correctly! So compare 10000r per month against $ 10000

          Musk does not even know how to reduce the cost of launch.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 23 January 2018 18: 35
            +2
            Ha, notice that 10000 green rubles a month from the "advanced American manager." And what is wrong in Russia? laughing
            1. Do not care
              Do not care 24 January 2018 03: 22
              0
              I have a simple engineer in a regular company $ 8000 per month
              I am not an advanced manager
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 24 January 2018 11: 43
                0
                Well, sit in your company across the ocean and do not meddle in the affairs of Russia, they themselves will figure it out.
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 23 January 2018 17: 59
          +2
          Yes, God, what are you discussing fake. There is no such information on vacancies on the Makeevka website. And the info itself is crazy.
          Even the site looks different
          http://makeyev.ru/kadrovay/job/
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 24 January 2018 07: 44
            +1
            Quote: Muvka
            Yes, God, what are you discussing fake. There is no such information on vacancies on the Makeevka website. And the info itself is crazy.
            Even the site looks different
            http://makeyev.ru/kadrovay/job/

            Large enterprises move away from self-search and order services to agencies.
            https://trudvsem.ru/company/1087415002168
            It was not a fake ...
    6. True
      True 23 January 2018 17: 38
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      It seems that this project, taking into account the tremendous experience in creating spacecraft and the fact that Russia has far surpassed everyone in engines

    7. Maz
      Maz 23 January 2018 21: 11
      +1
      Or maybe you should not scatter. It would be better if they sorted out the East.
  2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 January 2018 14: 38
    15
    Finish the hangar, Herods
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 January 2018 14: 46
      +7
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Finish the hangar, Herods

      Compared to Protons, the hangar is very expensive. The value of the payload is not comparable. In this matter, Proton is ahead of the rest. And while the cost of the payload will not be the same as that of Proton, you can forget about the Angara.
      The Crown will be a reusable, single-stage, vertical take-off and landing design, equipped with take-off and shock absorbers. The most energy-intensive elements in the rocket systems can be used at least 25 times, and the total resource of the rocket will be at least one hundred flights.

      Wishlist and plans ... we can, will, be ... talking with us, the managers learned from mattresses, and there are few results in comparison with promises. Moreover, there is more and more theft, and lamentations that there is no money every year more. Military projects cut financially, but do not forget to fantasize that we CAN.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 23 January 2018 14: 53
      +4
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Finish the hangar, Herods

      Why reinvent the wheel? Bring Buran and Energy back! The best monument to Gleb Lozino-Lozinsky and not come up with! And reusable pencils with a ridiculous displayed mass can be transferred to the circle of rocket-modellers!
      1. Do not care
        Do not care 23 January 2018 16: 16
        +2
        According to the then Finance Minister Pavlov, the energy-snowstorm project cost 100.000.000.000 rubles. so that you better imagine this amount, I recall that the annual military budget of the USSR was 20.000.000.000 and the entire annual budget of the Soviet national economy was slightly more than 400.000.000.000. Extrapolates these figures to current Russian realities and you will see that such a project will lead the Russian economy to the same place where the Soviet appeared in the late 80s
        1. loginovich
          loginovich 23 January 2018 18: 08
          +4
          Quote: Do not care
          Extrapolates these figures to current Russian realities and you will see that such a project will lead the Russian economy to the same place where the Soviet appeared in the late 80s

          According to your standards, building roads is not expensive. And less trust the accomplices of Gorbatov on them and there is no place to put stigmas.
          1. Do not care
            Do not care 24 January 2018 03: 29
            +1
            I would be glad not to trust, but I saw with my own eyes which plant under this program they drove 2 km from my house and how much dough was poured there. It was possible to build another city.
            Until now, this plant is dead.
    3. xtur
      xtur 23 January 2018 14: 54
      +3
      > Finish the hangar, Herods

      these are different organizations, as it were. The center is occupied by the Makeev center, on an initiative basis.
    4. Izotovp
      Izotovp 23 January 2018 15: 08
      +3
      How long to ?! She was in the stage just about on posters in our department back in the 91st !!!
    5. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Finish the hangar, Herods

      So the Angara-5 this year is going to launch like.
  3. Professor
    Professor 23 January 2018 14: 39
    14
    And how much did they laugh at Mask?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 January 2018 14: 43
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      And how much did they laugh at Mask?

      It has no reusable media, only reusable items.
      It’s dangerous to launch Katsmanavtov at his kyrogas.
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 January 2018 15: 00
        +8
        Quote: Gray Brother
        It has no reusable media, only reusable items.

        ... which will allow the Mask to re-run the first stage during the day. Dream.

        Quote: Herkulesich
        Oleg hi -Mask is a project of those who have a lot of money! Such an American veil-morgana!

        On the contrary. Falcon is a rocket for the "poor."
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 23 January 2018 15: 04
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          On the contrary. Falcon is a rocket for the "poor."

          I wouldn’t say so, the Israeli satellite annihilated by the Bottle was probably worth the hoo.
          that will allow the Mask to re-run the first stage during the day

          And where does the second go? Therefore, I wrote that he does not have reusable media.
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 January 2018 15: 12
            +5
            Quote: Gray Brother
            I wouldn’t say so, the Israeli satellite annihilated by the Bottle was probably worth the hoo.

            Insurance covered all expenses, and Musk made a discount on the next launch. Falcon's performance in 2017 is satisfying.

            Quote: xtur
            > And how many laughed at the Mask?

            they laughed little at him.

            Its success in the space market so far has been the result of the collapse of Roskosm, for the most part.

            Do not confuse cause with effect. Roscosmos began to lose orders due to SpaceX entering the market, and not vice versa. Money is everything.
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 23 January 2018 15: 18
              +5
              Quote: Professor
              Money is everything.

              That's for sure, even in Mask, without the state dough, the wheels do not spin at all.
              Space X will postpone the test launch of the Falcon Heavy class rocket due to the suspension of the US government, according to Florida Today, citing the 45th space wing.

              The department noted that the Kennedy Space Center and the US Air Force base at Cape Canaveral will not be able to conduct fire tests in connection with the removal of key employees.

              Major General Wayne Monteith noted in a statement on the Wing's official website that if the government does not open by the end of the week, the company will begin an organized closure and subsequently strike. “We simply will not be able to fulfill the main mission of space exploration without our incredible civilian workforce. This difficult time should not divide us, but rather unite us, ”Monteit emphasized.

              On January 20, the U.S. government suspended work due to lack of funding, as a full budget for 2018 was not agreed. The reason was the disagreement over a new resolution of Republicans and Democrats on a number of parameters.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 January 2018 15: 36
                +5
                Quote: Gray Brother
                That's for sure, even in Mask, without the state dough, the wheels do not spin at all.

                Yes, I’m monopensual whose loot is spinning there. As a consumer, the result is important to me - how much it will cost me to put X kg of cargo into orbit. If Musk is cheaper, then I will go to him. If Roscosmos then I’ll go to them.

                Quote: activator
                Well, there’s only the first step, and here the rocket is whisked, there are no analogues in the solar galaxy, but the mask still drank

                lol
            2. Gogia
              Gogia 23 January 2018 15: 44
              +2
              Not therefore, but because there were unsuccessful launches. Although knowledgeable people talk without interference from outside, it could not do here. When it’s hard to compete with you, and by any means, it’s hard to be white and fluffy ... the Americans are in tough competition with Roscosmos, and not always “decently”
            3. KaPToC
              KaPToC 23 January 2018 19: 07
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Do not confuse cause with effect. Roscosmos began to lose orders due to SpaceX entering the market, and not vice versa. Money is everything.

              That's exactly what
              Quote: Professor
              Do not confuse cause with effect

              Roscosmos loses orders for political reasons
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 January 2018 20: 22
                +2
                Quote: KaPToC
                Roscosmos loses orders for political reasons

                Nonsense. Where big money politics goes by the wayside. Mask is elementary cheaper.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Yes, it is not used. They will immediately examine it, test it, play it, after all this they will start it, but it’s necessary to do this all the time, it’s impossible to cope in a day.

                Musk declared the day. I can search the link.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Maybe by chance you know, they found Zuma?

                Today, the U.S. Air Force officially announced that both the first and second stage of the Falcon worked properly. I didn’t read further.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 23 January 2018 21: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Nonsense. Where big money politics goes by the wayside. Mask is elementary cheaper.

                  These are your words utter nonsense. Where there is politics, money fades into the background, and not vice versa.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 January 2018 08: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    These are your words utter nonsense. Where there is politics, money fades into the background, and not vice versa.

                    Money rules the world and politicians as well. hi
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 24 January 2018 13: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Money rules the world and politicians as well.

                      This is your national delusion, money is not an end, but a means. Money rules while guns are silent.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          ... which will allow the Mask to re-run the first stage during the day. Dream.

          Yes, it is not used. They will immediately examine it, test it, play it, after all this they will start it, but it’s necessary to do this all the time, it’s impossible to cope in a day.
          Maybe by chance you know, they found Zuma?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 January 2018 22: 14
            +1
            Zuma in orbit.
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 24 January 2018 20: 31
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Zuma in orbit.

              How do you know?
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 January 2018 19: 06
          0
          Quote: Professor
          ... which will allow the Mask to re-run the first stage during the day. Dream.

          It will not allow, precisely that dream, a pipe dream.
      2. activator
        activator 23 January 2018 15: 19
        +7
        Quote: Professor
        And how much did they laugh at Mask?

        Well, there’s only the first stage, and here a rocket is whisked, there are no analogues in the solar galaxy laughing and I drank the mask anyway lol
        Quote: Gray Brother
        It’s dangerous to launch Katsmanavtov at his kyrogas.

        Therefore, they launch astronauts, they are not so sorry yes
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 23 January 2018 14: 44
      +3
      Oleg hi -Mask is a project of those who have a lot of money! Such an American veil-morgana!
      1. Sam_gosling
        Sam_gosling 23 January 2018 14: 59
        +4
        Spaceic launches are now cheaper than similar launches in this country. The market decided to be.
      2. Do not care
        Do not care 23 January 2018 16: 00
        +2
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Oleg hi -Mask is a project of those who have a lot of money! Such an American veil-morgana!


        Money and talents Reach for Successful people.
    3. Vard
      Vard 23 January 2018 14: 45
      +1
      They laughed in the media ... and who needs to have a closer look ...
    4. xtur
      xtur 23 January 2018 14: 56
      +3
      > And how many laughed at the Mask?

      they laughed little at him.

      Its success in the space market so far has been the result of the collapse of Roskosm, for the most part.
    5. avt
      avt 23 January 2018 15: 23
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      And how much did they laugh at Mask?
      bully
      And then we continue, and now also over your comment.
      Russia can create a new reusable single-stage launch vehicle “Korona”, said Sergey Molchanov, deputy general designer of the Makeyev Center.
      Azochenway! Professor !
      Russia is developing a project of reusable rocket "Crown"
      How Jacob came to such a life that you do not see the difference between
      Russia is developing
      и
      Russia can create
      wassat bully
    6. ZaRif
      ZaRif 23 January 2018 15: 35
      +1
      Once, there was a thing, still chuckling. I don’t know Marx’s inner kitchen, you, Mask ...
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 January 2018 14: 43
    +7
    "single-stage vertical take-off and landing construction,
    equipped with runway shock absorbers "///

    Elon Musk tensed and lit up the Belomor ... smile
    It seems that things like landing shock absorbers need to be carefully
    develop. At Space X, first the grasshoppers bounced for a long time
    and sat on their feet until they switched to the full layout of the first step.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 23 January 2018 14: 54
      +9
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "single-stage vertical take-off and landing construction,
      equipped with runway shock absorbers "///
      Elon Musk tensed and lit up the Belomor.

      What is incomprehensible: a rocket takes off, delivers a satellite into space and flies back. Having flown to the ground, it amortizes with "take-off and landing shock absorbers" and again flies into space. The main thing is to manage to load the next satellite during depreciation. wassat And so up to 100 times! laughing Musk is resting! tongue
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 January 2018 15: 05
        +4
        Why not understand: back and forth. Manage to drive satellites ... smile
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 January 2018 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Why not understand: back and forth. Manage to drive satellites ...

          Soviet trampolines the most rubber in the world
    2. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 23 January 2018 14: 55
      +2
      Why layout? One already in October 2017 was burned at the Falcon 9 when landing on a floating platform .....
      But Blue Origin with 3rd Shepard, the launches were more successful .....
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 23 January 2018 16: 18
        0
        Shepards do not fly into orbit
        1. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 23 January 2018 17: 49
          +2
          And about the orbital flight of speech was not conducted ...
          There was talk of test launches and landings of the reusable launch system .....
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 23 January 2018 20: 19
            0
            So the speeds, heights and sizes of the devices are very different
    3. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 23 January 2018 14: 58
      +2
      The sewn Ilon "sky-walker" of the masks certainly did a great job. Now let's see how Roskosmos will be able to commerce. Honestly, I get that the final and most important thing is the result in the next 10 years. But, the market is the market. I hope luck does not pass by.
    4. Curious
      Curious 23 January 2018 15: 01
      +2
      When I read the article, I remembered an old joke about a rubber bomb that had been jumping around China for a week.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 January 2018 14: 48
    +4
    How much water can I crush in a mortar? fool There were only a few dozen such projects only in the USSR and in Russia! And not one is not implemented! Although, many were actually underway! And then they were closed! With the Crown it will be the same - they say, too expensive, and will be buried, like dozens of other similar projects!
  6. Gray brother
    Gray brother 23 January 2018 14: 51
    +1
    A specific feature of the Korona rocket will be the possibility of using a whole range of multi-launch launch systems, in which landing fuel is spent on launching a satellite and returning fuel is delivered by a carrier tanker.

    Well, hell knows, and the tanker is a free adit?
  7. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 23 January 2018 14: 54
    +1
    The Crown will be a reusable single-stage vertical take-off and landing design
    in 20 years?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 January 2018 14: 59
      0
      Quote: _Jack_
      in 20 years?

      Money has not been given yet. Although the theme is fashionable.
  8. Mustached Kok
    Mustached Kok 23 January 2018 15: 00
    +5
    One question - WHY?
    A missile is, by definition, a disposable design.
    If this is the reason for the next cut in the wake of the "successes" of the Mask, then this can not be stopped.
    And if you really want a reusable system, then why did you abandon the projects of rocket-planes and shuttles?
    Yes, and the point is in a rocket in which a large percentage of the fuel goes not to payload, but to landing !? It would be better to design a serial heavy-class missile (not even talking about super-heavy). "orbital stagnation" is coming to an end, a new stage in the development and study of the solar system begins. We need powerful rockets capable of launching modern exchange satellites to distant planets (Saturn and beyond), as well as capable of safely transporting large loads and cargoes to nearby planets and satellites (the Moon, Mars and the moons of Jupiter), in preparation for further landing. And there, and before colonization is not far away. So I think the idea of ​​“persecuting Mask” is stupid.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 23 January 2018 15: 08
      +2
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      And the point is a rocket, in which a large percentage of the fuel goes not to payload, but to landing!

      Y-ss, read the article carefully - it says that the system should consist of two (!) Missiles, one carries the load, and the second fuel for landing. In my opinion this is darkness.
    2. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 23 January 2018 15: 10
      +1
      If stupid grandmothers bring your grandmother into your pocket for several years, then the soviet principle still works NO NO YES AND YES
    3. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 23 January 2018 15: 42
      +1
      the point is that Mask has a kg output. cargo in orbit is cheaper than ours and we are losing customers
    4. KaPToC
      KaPToC 23 January 2018 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: Mustachioed Kok
      And if you really want a reusable system, then why did you abandon the projects of rocket-planes and shuttles?

      Will not help. The problem is not in the design of the spacecraft, the problem is in the small momentum of engines using chemical fuel.
  9. astepanov
    astepanov 23 January 2018 15: 19
    +3
    What's this! Americans plan to create a reusable anti-tank missile. The return will be provided using a high modulus rubber cowl. At the stage of research it is shown that the rocket bounces off the target. Now designers are trying to ensure that the rebound occurs in a predetermined direction.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 23 January 2018 15: 45
      +2
      Negro rocket trap has already begun training.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 January 2018 15: 20
    +2
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    The main thing is to manage to load the next satellite during depreciation. And so on up to 100 times! Musk is resting!

    good How did you explain everything clearly and clearly! And then I "puzzled" my head ....:
    A specific feature of the Korona rocket will be the possibility of using a whole range of multi-launch launch systems, in which landing fuel is spent on launching a satellite and returning fuel is delivered by a carrier tanker.
    The engine is considered to be an external expansion power unit with a modular combustion chamber operating on environmentally friendly fuel, kerosene and liquefied oxygen.
  11. Ierarh
    Ierarh 23 January 2018 15: 22
    +1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Finish the hangar, Herods

    Everything is fine there, it seems. There is a deployment of "in-line production" The alignment is such that it is "artisanal", experienced testing, a variant of 140 million bucks. A "serial" - 56 ...
  12. Stone
    Stone 23 January 2018 15: 33
    +5
    Here are some who are wondering - Do you need space? Like in "schools, children are starving, you need to spend money on pensioners, etc.", I answer - Who controls the cosmos controls the whole World. A country that will have orbital stations and spaceships with weapons capable of shooting down all types of ballistic missiles, including launching satellites, monopolizes space. And it will issue permissions, and perhaps it will only be it to launch satellites into orbit. At one time, the SDI program was invented, and it was not implemented solely because at that time the Americans did not have enough sense to create it. And plans and dreams aren’t lost. While the United States and the Russian Federation in space have parity, but if only Russia is significantly behind in space exploration, the United States will sooner or later implement plans for the militarization of space. As for the "fly on our engines", do not worry, they lured almost all the leading experts from around the world, sooner or later they will create highly efficient engines. In general, Russia is lucky that the United States is mired in corruption and bureaucracy, which impede their development.
  13. JonnyT
    JonnyT 23 January 2018 15: 34
    +3
    And this Crown will run along the route New Vasyuki-Venus!

    Not a sketch or anything, but bold fantastic muddy statements!
    Apparently it will be the legendary reliable and unpretentious Pepelats!


    But now all of us do not have loved (and for someone loved) Americans, Pepelats already have more modern ones.
    The same dragon is available, allowing vertical take-off and landing
    1. Ierarh
      Ierarh 23 January 2018 15: 35
      +3
      The crown is not Dregan. She is a candy bar. Totally ...

      And the Dragon Mask is our "Dawn." Which was already in a tested state ...

      And yes, two more full copies of Laptya are being tested right now (not in Russia). Replicas up to skis instead of wheels in the chassis. It’s good reason ...
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 23 January 2018 20: 44
        0
        Quote: Ierarh
        Replicas up to skis instead of wheels in the chassis. It’s good reason ...

        there is only one ski instead of the front wheel
  14. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 January 2018 15: 39
    +2
    Maybe it makes sense in this ... (in the "Crown" that is ...)? Some philosophers argue as follows: does it not always make sense to run after the “leader” along a curved track, trying to catch up with him ... Maybe it’s more advisable to stop, look around ... and “cut off” the path in a straight line? Create returnable stages with a missile “brake”, drop engines (or even steps) by parachute, run after the “leaders, swallowing the dust raised by them. Or maybe it’s better to focus on creating devices like the“ Crown ”..., aerospace planes and still use the “old” media? After all, the final result of the “reusable” epic (concept) is “one-piece” (or almost ...) device anyway!
    1. Ierarh
      Ierarh 23 January 2018 15: 41
      +1
      Monoblock with good MS can only be nuclear probably ...
    2. SpaceCom
      SpaceCom 23 January 2018 16: 20
      +1
      I don’t know who said about airplanes that with a good engine the gates will fly, but this thesis also applies to missiles. The problem is that the efficiency of modern rocket engines is lower than a firebox! They will create an engine with high thrust and specific impulse at least one and a half times higher than the existing ones, then we can talk about monoblock execution, an aerospace plane and other fiction!
  15. SpaceCom
    SpaceCom 23 January 2018 15: 46
    +2
    Is this an annual exacerbation? Yes, how much can you do about the same thing? News of the year !!!!
    https://ria.ru/science/20170120/1486121007.html
    Already even tired of commenting!
  16. Ierarh
    Ierarh 23 January 2018 15: 46
    0
    Quote: PN
    Launch a rocket, followed by a tanker ... Is the tanker disposable? Even a strange idea ...

    As far as I know, a "tanker" is for the magazine. This is their fantasy ...
  17. Topotun
    Topotun 23 January 2018 16: 34
    +2
    Interestingly, this is a tribute to fashion or someone has considered the economic effect of such reusable systems. Still, dragging back and forth the fuel supply for landing (rather rather big) means reducing the payload. Well, or the height of the orbit ....
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 January 2018 16: 49
    +2
    You honor some here and have the feeling that we were not the first in space and were not capable of anything ... And it’s better to build normal roads and increase pensions for starving pensioners rather than space projects .. negative No, gentlemen, you will not drive us into a society of stupid consumers. Of course, there are not enough money and these sanctions, but in space we still occupy leading positions, no matter how much you spit in our souls and do not maliciously ..
  19. True
    True 23 January 2018 17: 33
    +2
    Fiction (from other Greek. Φανταστική - the art of imagination, fantasy) - a genre and creative method in fiction, cinema, visual and other forms of art, characterized by the use of a fantastic assumption
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 January 2018 20: 38
      +1
      Now this chance has remained only with the USA - they will again conquer the Moon and go to Mars.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 20: 47
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        USA - conquer the moon again and go to Mars

        And please, in full force. Return is optional laughing
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 23 January 2018 21: 22
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Now this chance has remained only with the USA - they will again conquer the Moon and go to Mars.

          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And please, in full force. Return is optional

          You simply cannot imagine how close you are to the truth.
          The whole history of our world is the confrontation between the Russians and the world oligarchy, at first they were expelled from the Khazar Kaganate (the very expulsion of the Jews from Egypt), then the further path is easy to follow: Constantinople, Rome, Madrid, London, New York, after each defeat they retreated further and further, but now further only into space.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 January 2018 22: 22
            +1
            Why are world oligarchs no longer living in London, Madrid, Istanbul?
            On the contrary, most likely the world oligarchy splendidly sprouted to Moscow. Moscow is full of them, and their children in London and New York study and have fun.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 January 2018 23: 54
          0
          Going on a trip is not for those who shit everyone - politicians, but those who are interested in discoveries - scientists and engineers.
  21. Maz
    Maz 23 January 2018 21: 28
    0
    Eck, you all split up here. We, Russia, have been living without war in our country since 2007. And the United States has not been fighting on the American continent for more than 200 years. And at the same time, we confront and even overtake in some areas. Well wishers crawled out. Give time and it will be better than the Mask. We would have developed without wars of about 50, and we will mean both the United States and its beloved ally. China is with us. Do not be lost. I also have a problem - a rocket which is put into orbit by commands from the control center, where all the inscriptions on the devices are duplicated in RUSSIAN ... AND ONLY that says it all
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 23 January 2018 23: 51
      0
      Well, if there is no money and Buran probably will not fly, can China make an offer on the joint activities of a reusable shuttle?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 23 January 2018 23: 58
        0
        Shuttle - yesterday, like Buran, the future belongs to single-stage aerospace aircraft, such as the M 19, Tu 2000, Skylon
  22. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 23 January 2018 23: 52
    +2
    Hey smart guys, did anyone understand what that means ?:
    A specific feature of the Korona rocket will be the possibility of using a whole range of multi-launch launch systems, in which landing fuel is spent on launching a satellite and returning fuel is delivered by a carrier tanker.
    An external expansion unit with a modular combustion chamber is considered as an engine

    belay
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 January 2018 00: 06
      0
      They wrote complete crap - that’s what it means.
  23. Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 January 2018 00: 04
    0
    "A specific feature of the Korona rocket will be the possibility of using a number of multi-launching systems, in which the landing fuel is spent on satellite launch and the fuel for return is delivered by a carrier-tanker." In other words, to launch one satellite, you need to launch two missiles - you can’t think of a greater schiz in RKO. Another project for Roscosmos.
  24. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 24 January 2018 01: 03
    0
    We must have long since moved away from chemical engines towards new technologies.
    1. rumatam
      rumatam 24 January 2018 17: 11
      0
      hyperdrive set?
  25. vka
    vka 24 January 2018 03: 58
    +2
    what kind of nonsense is the next, again they are trying to waste money, another 20 year apophios is planned, with the Angara have already passed
  26. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 24 January 2018 14: 40
    0
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Quote: Mustachioed Kok
    And the point is a rocket, in which a large percentage of the fuel goes not to payload, but to landing!

    Y-ss, read the article carefully - it says that the system should consist of two (!) Missiles, one carries the load, and the second fuel for landing. In my opinion this is darkness.

    In this case, what is single-stage? The usual TWO-stage scheme!
  27. rumatam
    rumatam 24 January 2018 17: 09
    0
    chicken in the nest, testicle in the ass. Who will develop it, the "Letter-writing"?
  28. tTshka
    tTshka 24 January 2018 19: 46
    0
    There was such a project in the USSR, but in the end, they decided to abandon it. I’m sure that they didn’t lose the drawings and didn’t sell (like some) + the technology took a step ... I’m sure that Mask will fall asleep if they decide to create it anyway. )))


    Just don’t be connected to the implementation)))