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"Served the Kremlin": Grudinin as collector of "voices dissatisfied"

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The journalist of the Neue Zürcher Zeitung, Benjamin Tribe, saw the candidate Grudinin as the collector of the voices of the disgruntled. In his opinion, Grudinin is doing a "service" to the Kremlin.




According to the author "NZZ"The candidate of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation provides the Kremlin with a “favor”, giving the Russian elections “legitimacy.” The candidate from the Communist Party in the elections is unlikely to defeat Putin, but he has no such task - this is not the task of the “systemic opposition” in Russia, the Neue Zürcher Zeitung website quotes "InoTV".

Grudinin’s task is to increase turnout in the elections and their “legitimacy” by attracting votes of “politically and economically dissatisfied”. Increased turnout will play into the hands of the Kremlin.

According to the results of a fresh January poll, P. Grudinin was twice as popular as Comrade. Zyuganov, typing in Russia about 8% voter support. Probably, his rating in March will be even higher. Nevertheless, the victory over Putin is "excluded", the correspondent of the Swiss newspaper said. But here "new voices" Grudinin may try to get it.

“Russian voters will not force Grudinin to fulfill his promises, but this is not the task of the parties of the so-called systemic opposition in Russia,” the author of the material said. “Their candidates should get votes of the disgruntled, who do not elect Putin, but only by participating in elections increase their legitimacy.”

Among Grudinin’s promises, the author singled out the following: restricting the flow of foreign “speculative capital” into the country, Russia's withdrawal from the WTO, regulating the prices of basic foodstuffs, nationalizing industrial enterprises and banks, raising taxes for the rich and repealing for the poor. Finally, Grudinin "directly criticizes Putin."

Tribe recalls that in the State Duma, the so-called opposition parties are subject to the decisive issues of "United Russia". The apathy of the people, coupled with a “silent protest”, can lead to a low turnout in the elections, and this will prove to be a “defeat” for the Kremlin. And this is where Grudinin is: he will help to prevent low turnout.

It will be, we note, very interesting to find out how the picture of the polls in February and March will be. And then the final result will show the March elections. With such a bright candidate who ventured to “directly criticize Putin,” the result may surprise even those technologists to whom Tribe and other European journalists attribute a certain scenario developed by the Kremlin to increase popular turnout.

Whatever one may say, but the voices that will go against Putin will infringe upon the very “general nationality” that the Kremlin-like propagandists like to point out. And it will not at all be in the hands of Putin.

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  1. Vladimir16
    Vladimir16 23 January 2018 07: 43
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    The tribune of Western European values ​​Chuvakin once again revealed the secret plan of the Kremlin wassat
    All were bought by the Kremlin and only one heaped up is fighting for a brighter future !!! laughing
    Sadness befell the offended of all countries. wassat lol love
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 23 January 2018 07: 46
      28
      One, I remember in the nineties, promised to lie on the rails if the price of bread goes up.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 23 January 2018 08: 37
        58
        According to the author of "NZZ", the candidate from the Communist Party provides the Kremlin with a "service", giving the Russian election "legitimacy".

        Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 23 January 2018 08: 55
          50
          Stas157 Today, 08: 37 ↑ New
          Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.
          Don’t tell me which of Grudinin’s president? We already had a couple of collective farmers at the helm, the collapse of the USSR began with one, the second finished it. Let's ruin Russia now in the same way?
          Understand one simple thing, in order to fulfill ALL the promises of Grudinin, one must have power, i.e. completely loyal security officials from the army to the police. Does Grudinin have this? NO, there will not be, and therefore he will not be able to do anything he promised with all his will, he simply will not give it. I just imagine how our oligarchs will go together to part with their assets at the request of Grudinin ... laughing Yeah, hold your pocket wider, how will they run away. So Grudinin’s promises are cheap populism, nothing more. In general, to fuck, not tossing bags.
          1. tap
            tap 23 January 2018 09: 20
            27
            Putin is eternal. And instead of elections - a referendum on a life sentence
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 21
            35
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            So Grudinin’s promises are cheap populism, nothing more. In general, to fuck, not tossing bags.
            Either Putin’s business doesn’t promise anything, and he doesn’t have a program as such. What's the point ?! You can not really strain. They’ll choose anyway.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 37
              30
              Quote: Greenwood
              Either Putin’s business doesn’t promise anything, and he doesn’t have a program as such. What's the point ?! You can not really strain. They’ll choose anyway.

              while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth fellow
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 23 January 2018 10: 01
                +8
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                I have heard these promises in the media since the 2007 of the year. 10 years have passed and what has been increased?
                1. nik-karata
                  nik-karata 23 January 2018 10: 41
                  20
                  I have heard these promises in the media since the 2007 of the year. 10 years have passed and what has been increased?

                  http://2018god.net/pensii-gossluzhashhim-s-2018-g
                  oda /
                  And this is the forerunner for raising pensions for all categories of citizens. But is it not for this that they increase the "life expectancy" in the Russian Federation ??? According to the latest data, mortality in the Perm Territory alone (where I live) increased by 10% !!! hi
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 29
                    +8
                    Quote: nik-karata
                    And this is the forerunner for raising pensions for all categories of citizens.

                    Here is the impression that more than 50% of commentators are not Russian people and do not live in Russia. I explain why such a conclusion - these conversations have been going on for ten years and have not been carried out, therefore, they will not be fulfilled because there is too much talk about it, and any normal Russian or a person living in Russia knows that the more they speak, the less they do. And judging by the number talk of raising the retirement age will not raise him in the near foreseeable future. “The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by their optionality,” as A.I. Herzen said, if correct, correct.
                    1. nik-karata
                      nik-karata 23 January 2018 13: 42
                      10
                      And judging by the number of talks about raising the retirement age, he will not be raised in the near foreseeable future.

                      Believe me, you’ll find this time.
                      I hope that you are already a pensioner (so that this does not affect you).
                      1. Captain45
                        Captain45 23 January 2018 20: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: nik-karata
                        Believe me, you’ll find this time.
                        I hope that you are already a pensioner (so that this does not affect you).

                        You are right, I am already a pensioner. And earned, and earned.
                    2. In100gram
                      In100gram 23 January 2018 15: 03
                      +2
                      “In Russia, the severity of laws is tempered by their non-implementation” (P. A. Vyazemsky)
                      “The strictness of Russian laws is mitigated by the non-bindingness of their implementation” (M. E. Saltykov-Shchedrin

                      In fact, authorship is not fully established.
                    3. Was mammoth
                      Was mammoth 23 January 2018 21: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: Captain45
                      Here is the impression that more than 50% of commentators are not Russian people and do not live in Russia. I explain why such a conclusion - these conversations have been going on for ten years and are not being carried out

                      Well, it seems that the author of the comment is not a Russian person and does not live in Russia. wink
                      On May 23, 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin already signed the Federal Law on Raising the Retirement Age of State and Municipal Employees, which entered into force on January 1, 2017.
                      The first swallow.
                2. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 10: 42
                  22
                  Quote: Captain45
                  I have heard these promises in the media since the 2007 of the year. 10 years have passed and what has been increased?
                  This is not the media, this is Kudrin, Minister of Economic Development Oreshkin, and after them, Putin raised this issue at the end of the year. The budget deficit needs to be covered by something, well, not at the expense of oligarch friends
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 23 January 2018 13: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Stirbjorn
                    This is not the media, this is Kudrin, Minister of Economic Development Oreshkin, and after them, Putin raised this issue at the end of the year.

                    Every time before accepting the budget, a sad / angry / indignant / protesting (substitute depending on the camp) scream is heard - there is not enough money for retirement! Following is heard, it is necessary to raise the retirement age! And the great srach begins. Then the budget is adopted, everything is found and the issue safely subsides until the next budget adoption. But if you really raise your retirement age, then it’s just that such a Maidan will be muddied in Russia, my mother is not grieving. Because, well, I don’t particularly like our people to work for the most part and extending the term of work will lead to extremely undesirable consequences. That's why no one in the near future foreseeable future does not dare to raise the retirement age.
                    1. BecmepH
                      BecmepH 23 January 2018 13: 57
                      +9
                      Quote: Captain45
                      Because, well, he doesn’t especially like our people to work for the most part

                      And I believe that our people love and can work !!! But not for the same!
                3. Svarog
                  Svarog 23 January 2018 10: 45
                  18
                  Quote: Captain45
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                  I have heard these promises in the media since the 2007 of the year. 10 years have passed and what has been increased?

                  After the election, they will definitely increase ..
                  1. Pax tecum
                    Pax tecum 23 January 2018 13: 35
                    11
                    After the election (with the victory of V. Putin), the prices of 100% will creep up.
                    This is not speculation, but the experience of recent years 10-12.
                    It is even known where (in which regions first) and on what. Housing and communal services, fuel, energy .. maybe taxes will unpleasantly surprise.
                    Yes, and you never know what else EdRo has prepared. Is they hoping for Rosguard, perhaps ..?
                    And another joke!
                    The famous 4% was allegedly added to the security forces, and about the same amount was removed from articles like volume and significance and a monthly bonus. How to understand?
                    Maybe pensioners are more lucky, they have no additional articles in retirement.
                    It’s not even populism .. but the devil knows what.
                    1. Petr1968
                      Petr1968 23 January 2018 17: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Pax tecum
                      After the election (with the victory of V. Putin), the prices of 100% will creep up.

                      But nothing that we confront the richest and most developed countries in the world, trying to destroy us? Nobody is threatening them, but we are NATO .. ​​are we supposed to think about the economy? In 1941, you would also be asked about prices ??
                      1. passing
                        passing 23 January 2018 17: 41
                        11
                        Quote: Petr1968
                        Quote: Pax tecum
                        After the election (with the victory of V. Putin), the prices of 100% will creep up.

                        But nothing that we confront the richest and most developed countries in the world, trying to destroy us? Nobody is threatening them, but we are NATO .. ​​are we supposed to think about the economy ??

                        No b ...! about Sechin’s salary and Kerimov’s real estate. And oligarchs robbing Russia are so bad! My whole soul ached for them.
                        If the whole country is opposing someone, then why are they getting rich? Looks like they do not participate in these showdowns
                      2. KGB WATCH YOU
                        KGB WATCH YOU 23 January 2018 18: 27
                        +3
                        Give an example, who is trying to destroy us?
                      3. Pax tecum
                        Pax tecum 23 January 2018 19: 02
                        +3
                        Yes, we are all our history to someone, but we confront! This is our life mode. In this mode, we have always been ahead of the planet. And, we fought, in the aggregate of years and the number of times, more than any other country in the world.
                        And further. We are the richest and most self-sufficient country in the world. And developed. One USSR, for its time, left such a hurt that we still cannot master. It's just that we are not able to share our wealth fairly, or what.
                      4. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 23 January 2018 21: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Petr1968
                        But nothing that we confront the richest and most developed countries in the world, trying to destroy us?

                        And, nothing, that the Soviet Union has always opposed the most "rich and developed countries."
                        Quote: Petr1968
                        ... are we supposed to think about the economy? ...

                        ... .
                  2. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 23 January 2018 13: 58
                    +4
                    Quote: Svarog
                    After the election, they will definitely increase.

                    Here I agree with you
                  3. albert
                    albert 23 January 2018 18: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    After the election, they will definitely increase ..

                    Who would doubt that wink
                4. vlad66
                  vlad66 23 January 2018 11: 00
                  12
                  Quote: Captain45
                  I have heard these promises in the media since 2007.

                  A colleague, how tired I was of waiting for the promise to increase the retirement age, that I was offended and retired in 2016. request laughing hi
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 31
                    +8
                    Quote: vlad66
                    Colleague, how tired I was of waiting for the promise to increase the retirement age, that I was offended and retired at 2016

                    I sympathize crying probably wanted to work what , and the "bloody regime" drove into retirement request
                5. Freeman
                  Freeman 23 January 2018 11: 49
                  +7
                  Quote: Captain45
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                  I have heard these promises in the media since the 2007 of the year. 10 years have passed and what has been increased?

                  Nate.
                  On May 23, 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the Federal Law on Raising the Retirement Age of State and Municipal Employees, which will enter into force on January 1, 2017. Federal Law of May 23, 2016 No. 143-FZ.
                  The age limit for civil service will be 65 years.
                  For managers, as today, the term of public service can be extended to 70 years.
                  That is, a chair cannot be pulled out from under another official.
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 23 January 2018 13: 27
                    +3
                    Quote: Freeman
                    The age limit for civil service will be 65 years.
                    For managers, as today, the term of public service can be extended to 70 years.

                    So the workers are taken care of so that after 60 they do not physically work, do not bother repeat , and the official to transfer pieces of paper in 75 can lol What does he wave with a Kyle or a shovel? laughing
                  2. woron333444
                    woron333444 23 January 2018 14: 45
                    0
                    Freeman I have a daughter, a government official. They are going to raise them for 5 years. It’s 65 for men and 60 for women. She said that up to 80 can be done with their work. But they will raise it from the age of 30.
              2. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 23 January 2018 10: 14
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                Quote: Stirbjorn
                while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                The main thing is "stimulating economic growth", not retirees.
                Because as soon as they add money to pensioners, prices for this% of the premium increase immediately. Pensioners from such a "bonus" enriched and began to live with dignity?) How could it be! For that, the "growth" of the economy on paper immediately grows!)))
                But it’s weak to give money to pensioners without automatic price increases, but with their regulation, and does the Government of “public trust” or “free market” interfere?)
              3. Genry
                Genry 23 January 2018 12: 14
                +3
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                And these promises did Putin make? It was your Siluanov who serves the west.
              4. passing
                passing 23 January 2018 17: 33
                +4
                while I heard about promises to raise the retirement age in order to stimulate, finally, economic growth

                And launch, jointly with the population, financing of medical services. fellow What for us free medicine?
            2. AUL
              AUL 23 January 2018 15: 44
              12
              This situation bothers me. Official propaganda begins to recognize that Grudinin will gain something from the vote, but the most stubborn agitators began to sing that they say "they will choose Putin anyway." It's not evening yet, gentlemen! Wait and see...
              1. Petr1968
                Petr1968 23 January 2018 16: 34
                0
                Quote: AUL
                This situation bothers me. Official propaganda begins to recognize that Grudinin will gain something from the vote, but the most stubborn agitators began to sing that they say "they will choose Putin anyway." It's not evening yet, gentlemen! Wait and see...

                Well, if the Kremlin allowed it, it is unlikely that it will “wet” the candidates, all the more there is not even close to the Chief ... But the competitors for the remaining 12-15 percent have stepped up ... they will be allocated the budget based on their percentages. So they urinate each other. And as for wait and see ... So we swam, we know))) The question of who will be the chief of Russia is not worth it until HE puts him down.
          3. Pax tecum
            Pax tecum 23 January 2018 09: 32
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            And where is such confidence about the security forces?
            There is solid knowledge that more than half of them are not even for the current government. After all, everyone has parents, close relatives, friends, acquaintances. And, the general opinion is formed from the reality of what is happening.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 08
              23
              I think that if Putin and Edrosnya were 100% confident in the security forces, then they would not have created separately the new-fangled Rosguard, armed with the latest technology, and commanded by Viktor Zolotov, who headed the president’s security service since 2000.
              1. Genry
                Genry 23 January 2018 12: 26
                +4
                Rosguard simply combined all the internal units into a single whole, as were the internal troops (VV) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs during the USSR.
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 13: 22
                  +9
                  Quote: Genry
                  Rosguard simply combined all the internal units into a single whole, as were the internal troops (VV) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs during the USSR.

                  Well, they arrived — the internal troops (BB), after the collapse of the USSR, continued to exist in modern Russia until Putin created the national guard, including, in addition to the BB, the OMR SOBRs and others. Although if you are a storyteller Fedorov, bring as an argument, that's all clear
          4. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 23 January 2018 09: 39
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            Don’t tell me which of Grudinin’s president? - Varyag_0711

            You don’t powder people’s brains. Which President was from nobody and nowhere an indiscriminate assistant to Sobchak, just a lieutenant colonel, dismissed from the organs as unnecessary?
            And most importantly, in the elections we will not elect the President of Russia, we will choose the political course of development of our country.
            We’ll elect Pavel Grudinin to take the course of building a socially just state for the whole people. The support of the Communist Party Grudinin, the Left Front, and the whole working people, the ideology of the socialist structure of the state.
            We elect V. Putin to leave the country in predatory, for the people and Russia, comprador oligarchic capitalism, which inevitably leads to the impoverishment of the people and weakening of the federal state with possible collapse like the USSR. Putin's support is the oligarchs, officials, bonded security officials and state employees, the ideology of oligarchic capitalism, which puts the golden calf deity at the forefront.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 23 January 2018 09: 55
              17
              vladimirZ Today, 09:39 ↑
              We’ll elect Pavel Grudinin to take the course of building a socially just state for the whole people. The support of the Communist Party Grudinin, the Left Front, and the whole working people, the ideology of the socialist structure of the state.
              Well, blessed is he who believes ... laughing So the oligarchs simply gave you power.
              I repeat, for especially stubborn believers, none of those in power who hold power will just leave. And this means that any attempt to change something will lead to a civil war. In the current conditions, when we are in fact at war with the West, this will be a disaster for Russia. Is that all you want?
              Well then, the flag in your hands and a drum around your neck, forward to the barricades. Only now I will personally stand on the other side of these barricades.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 23 January 2018 10: 01
                21
                So the oligarchs simply gave you power. - Varyag_0711

                And you try, it is in the March 2018 elections, to change the fate of the people living near you, your family and friends, Russia, in a peaceful and elective way.
                We are all given this chance and we must use it - selectively change the power in the state.
                And if it doesn’t work out, the authorities will again engage in falsification and manipulation of the results, in order to maintain an authoritarian regime, sooner or later it will come to their side anyway.
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 23 January 2018 10: 10
                  14
                  vladimirZ Today, 10:01 ↑
                  And you try, it is in the March 2018 elections, to change the fate of the people living near you, your family and friends, Russia, in a peaceful and elective way.
                  Plaque fly, so what is it? I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yerema! No one will let you change power in any legitimate way !!! Do you really believe in this nonsense about democracy and what kind of fair elections are there? Well, the oligarchs will not give up "all that is acquired by excessive labor," if there is a massacre. Have you forgotten the criminal showdown of the 90s for the redistribution of property? Well, you’re adults, but you’re reasoning like small children, honestly. Any attempt to redistribute property will lead to civil war, do you want this? Or do you really believe that the oligarchs just like that will give you the "honestly" stolen goods? Well, you give a pancake ... fool
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 23 January 2018 10: 23
                    13
                    Plaque fly, so what is it? I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yerema! No one will let you change power in any legitimate way !!! - Varyag_0711

                    And what do you live in April 2018 with the finished election result?
                    There is a chance, and it's silly not to use it to elect a worthy candidate from the people!
                    There is no need to write about the dismantling of the 90s, the power apparatus, although corrupt, is there and will work, and for the most part it is not on the side of the oligarchs.
                    There is no need to write about the redistribution of property either, Putin came to power, and calmly quietly arranged the redistribution of property in favor of his supporters and friends, so few people now remember the old Yeltsin oligarchs.
                    1. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 23 January 2018 10: 32
                      11
                      Vladimir, I’ve been on the site for a long time, despite the date of registration and respect your opinion. But not in this case. Do you believe in a change of power, I do not. And you won’t convince me, but apparently I’m like you too. I am a supporter of the Soviet idea, but I understand that in the current realities, this is a utopia that will not bring anything good to Russia. What happened will not happen again, no matter how regrettable it is to realize. Of course, you have the right to believe that with the advent of Grudinin something will change for the better, I have lived enough in the world to understand that there are no miracles. Therefore, I choose, though inferior, but stability. Well, you can even believe in Grudinin, even at the second coming of Jesus Christ, your right.
                      We will remain each in our opinion.
                      Yours! hi
                      1. dvvv
                        dvvv 23 January 2018 11: 39
                        +8
                        but in 6 years you will live? After all, the heap will leave anyway, and then what? Will all be lost and stability first? But suppose, after all, he can get sick, even though he lives, then how? Dimon will become an automaton instead of him. Or will the worthy heir be chosen by the great and irreplaceable Pu?
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 23 January 2018 12: 31
                        +5
                        You, as in the “two cops” tactics, are bad and good, but both are fake ...
                        Putin will be chosen because he has a history of his work to restore Russia and strengthen its sovereignty. All the rest only traded sovereignty, which was little left after Gorbachev, Yeltsin, fell under Medvedev and only grew under Putin.
                        The more Americans praise us, the worse we do to ourselves, and the more they abuse and torment us in psychosis, then we do it very right.
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 23 January 2018 17: 39
                        +9
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        I am a supporter of the Soviet idea, but I understand that in the current realities, this is a utopia that will not bring anything good to Russia.

                        and what good will Mr. Putin bring to Russia? another amphora? gas pipeline? or beat Finland’s national hockey team of 2014?
                        that's not funny ....
                  2. SPACE
                    SPACE 23 January 2018 10: 54
                    11
                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    We are all given this chance and we must use it - selectively change the power in the state.

                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    No one will allow you to change power in any legitimate way!

                    It’s possible to say the president with a stretch of authority, legitimately, relatively peacefully, for some time of the elections themselves, of course you can change, but further and all the more to fulfill all the promises of the sternum, peacefully without excesses and the failure of the economy is categorically impossible! Especially with such pressure from the United States and the West. With such a program, Grudinin is no more and no less a disaster for Russia and the entire free world! Anyone who advocates sternum go immediately shoot yourself so as not to suffer for a long time fool
                    But I think he’s just a painter, a rogue and an adventurer who does not dare and cannot change anything, so he hangs noodles with fools on his ears.
                    1. Don
                      Don 23 January 2018 12: 39
                      15
                      Quote: SPACE
                      he’s just a painter, a rogue and an adventurer who does not dare and cannot change anything, so he hangs noodles with fools on his ears.

                      you, without even suspecting it, hit the nail on the head! Only all this refers to the predatory, oligarchic power of Putin.
                      Quote: SPACE
                      go shoot yourself right away so you don’t suffer for a long time

                      Here, too, at the very bull's eye! It’s time for you to shoot yourself after so many years. After all, 27 years passed after the anti-people regime came to power.
                      1. SPACE
                        SPACE 23 January 2018 14: 20
                        +6
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        Only all this refers to the predatory, oligarchic power of Putin.

                        I’m upset, I can’t wait until the moment when they finish building a bridge to the Crimea so that I can drive along the new bridge in a new car and express my hatred of the predatory, oligarchic authorities bully laughing
                        Quote: Donskoy
                        After all, 27 years passed after the anti-people regime came to power.

                        For another 107 years, such a hard labor continued under the yoke of the hated Putin and the anti-people regime. tongue lol
                        Z.Y. I can sympathize with horseradish with salt or something to send you humanitarian aid.
                  3. Vasya Vassin
                    Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 11: 58
                    +8
                    First you need to try it peacefully, and already there, most of the population’s eyes will open. People are not blind, except for television they see life around ...
                2. nik-karata
                  nik-karata 23 January 2018 10: 45
                  10

                  This was true 200 (!!!) years ago!
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 23 January 2018 12: 38
                    +3
                    Quote: nik-karata
                    This was true 200 (!!!) years ago!

                    In the US, it is. A small selected group of electors decides for the entire population.
              2. Labrador
                Labrador 23 January 2018 11: 26
                +9
                Quote: Varyag_0711
                In the current conditions, when we are in fact at war with the West, this will be a disaster for Russia. Is that all you want?

                I totally agree.
                I perfectly remember what Russia was before the advent of GDP. Now there is stable growth, not a stable peak. It became pleasant to look at the military.
                1. zyzx
                  zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 10
                  +7
                  Just now a stable peak. But it’s really nice to look at the military, and that’s all.
                2. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 23 January 2018 13: 56
                  +9
                  I perfectly remember what Russia was before the advent of GDP. Now there is stable growth, not a stable peak. - labrador

                  Do not deign reference to the "stable growth" of the economy, industry.
                  You probably live in some other world, a long-term economic crisis in the country, only 3 years ago the ruble collapsed 2 times, after which the population still can’t move away, the rise in prices for everything and everything, housing and communal services tariffs are growing, and this all with frozen pensions and salaries. laughing laughing laughing
                  There is no increase for themselves, officials, security officials, so as not to blather, an increase is taking place, for the people there is not.
            2. Dashout
              Dashout 23 January 2018 10: 03
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              Quote: vladimirZ
              We’ll elect Pavel Grudinin - we’ll go along the course of building a socially just state for the whole people

              What did your Grudinin collective farmers robbed, and now decided to build a socially oriented state?
              You first understand between the Communists!
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 10
                17
                Something the collective farmers living on his state farm almost pray for him. Where is he and who has he robbed?
                1. Genry
                  Genry 23 January 2018 12: 43
                  +7
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Something the collective farmers living on his state farm almost pray for him. Where is he and who has he robbed?

                  Something you forgot about the self-ignition of a woman from whom Grudinin took away the apartment ...
                  1. zyzx
                    zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 11
                    +5
                    And I also know about the self-set fire to a man whose Grudinin took away his wife.
              2. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 23 January 2018 10: 14
                21
                What did your Grudinin collective farmers robbed, and now decided to build a socially oriented state? - Dashout

                No need to write fakes!
                Pavel Grudinin managed to maintain a successful enterprise with an average salary of 78 thousand rubles, free housing, an excellent kindergarten, the best school in Europe, and social security for workers.
                Grudinin did not go about the "collective farmers" who wished to sell their share for speculators more quickly. He managed to convince people to keep a working enterprise with a constant personal income for each worker. And he did it right.
                Those who followed the path of "collective farmers" in other neighboring farms that you care about, have already eaten the money earned for their shares, and now have turned into unemployed people standing at the entrance to the "V. Lenin State Farm" for the device to work there.
                1. Evil543
                  Evil543 23 January 2018 10: 53
                  +9
                  "Grudinin did not go about the" collective farmers "who wished to sell their share for speculators more quickly."
                  He sells this land gradually, moreover it is more expensive every year, since there is less and less free land near the Moscow Ring Road ... I have already written about what was built on the former state farm land.
                  And the best school, as they say on the balance of Moscow, there is more money allocated for one student.
                  And along the highway to the airport, only its stalls with strawberries do not touch, the rest are periodically driven, "fair competition" laughing
                2. Captain45
                  Captain45 23 January 2018 13: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Pavel Grudinin managed to maintain a successful company with an average salary of 78 thousand rubles,

                  The funniest thing in all this mess with the nomination of Grudinin is that his supporters everywhere say:
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  with an average salary of 78 thousand rubles,
                  and none of his followers require other evidence from them, well, there are statements for the payment of salary. And it was worth laying out scans of specific documents where, what, how much, in what papers Grudinin’s in the overseas bank had raised, an utter howl that it was all a fake make-up and generally EXTENDED, AAAAAA ,,,!
            3. Slovak
              Slovak 23 January 2018 12: 17
              +9
              I don’t care who you choose, but this Grudinin is a unique boor. Ham a priori will never concern himself with the problem of another, only his own. And, judging by what is known about him now, is a scammer. Give him an opportunity - will unfold. What does not eat himself, sell
            4. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 23 January 2018 13: 13
              +7
              It is not a matter of social justice, but of Grudinin's lies about his contributions. If there was someone more honest and competent in Grudinin’s place, he would vote with two hands - “FOR”
              1. Zinochka
                Zinochka 23 February 2018 15: 41
                0
                There was no lie, there was a misunderstanding, it was Putin's media that pulled everything and simply lied. Grudinin is honest and quite competent, in any case, he has the leadership experience, which Putin, at one time, did not have at all. He only had theft in experience, which, as it turned out, was useful to him.
          5. shura7782
            shura7782 23 January 2018 09: 59
            11
            Varyag_0711
            We already had a couple of collective farmers at the helm
            Harnessed, I'm not a collective farmer! Let me steer !!!
            About myself. He was an excellent student in combat and political training. wink
          6. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 23 January 2018 10: 22
            14
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Understand one simple thing, in order to fulfill ALL the promises of Grudinin, one must have power, i.e. completely loyal security officials from the army to the police. Does Grudinin have this? NO, there will not be, and therefore he will not be able to do anything he promised with all his will, he simply will not give it.
            Hm. You might think that when Putin came to the presidency, he had the support of the security forces and the army))) Then, and in his immediate environment there were such "comrades" from whom you could expect a knife in the back around the clock. And the country was in a state of half-life with the current war in the Caucasus. So Grudinin, whatever one may say, the support under his feet is much stronger. But he will not succeed in taking up this support, but there is a chance to “cheer up” the liberot.
            1. MrK
              MrK 23 January 2018 10: 41
              18
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              So Grudinin, whatever one may say, the support under his feet is much stronger.

              Well, if you thought of putting the head of the entire Russian aviation industry on as a show businessman, the owner of the Monolit production center, the distributor of the songs of the Laskovy May group and the head of the national association of phonogram producers Yuri Slyusar, then, it seems, a psychiatrist should definitely be at the head of Russia . Or maybe all the same is better than Grudinin?
              1. Genry
                Genry 23 January 2018 12: 49
                +6
                Quote: mrark
                Or maybe all the same is better than Grudinin?

                Grudinin lied, lies and will lie. Regarding his capital, in which he was already confused, hiding it from bank to bank. He shouted that he was few in the previous different elections, where he had run for several times, and only now he was slightly pricked with his billions.
                1. Zinochka
                  Zinochka 23 February 2018 15: 46
                  0
                  Grudinin did not lie. Regarding capital, he did not hide anything anywhere, this is Putin's media, sorry, pissed in your ears. He submitted all the documents to the CEC on time, by law, and the CEC has no complaints about it in this regard. And Grudinin does not have any billions either; in Austria, together with valuable buoys, there were about 40 million rubles.
            2. SPACE
              SPACE 23 January 2018 12: 14
              +9
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Hm. You might think that when Putin came to the presidency, he had the support of the security forces and the army))) Then, and in his immediate environment there were such "comrades" from whom you could expect a knife in the back around the clock. And the country was in a state of half-life with the current war in the Caucasus. So Grudinin, whatever one may say, the support under his feet is much stronger. But he will not succeed in taking up this support, but there is a chance to “cheer up” the liberot.

              Well, Putin didn’t say “to the ground we will destroy, and then ...”, did not promise to build communism, did not create the difficulty of scaring the allegarchs. He acted wiser, at first he headed, got accustomed, and only then he bent over whom he needed and attracted the rest. Cherovo, did he do it well, but today Russia is much more powerful than yesterday and this is a fact.
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 23 January 2018 12: 29
                +8
                Quote: SPACE
                Well, Putin didn’t say “to the ground we will destroy, and then ...”, did not promise to build communism, did not create the difficulty of scaring the allegarchs. He acted wiser, at first he headed, got accustomed, and only then he bent over whom he needed and attracted the rest. Cherovo, did he do it well, but today Russia is much more powerful than yesterday and this is a fact.
                I agree. The Russia that he took "to balance" and the one that is now - a huge difference with the roll for the better.
          7. MrK
            MrK 23 January 2018 10: 35
            21
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            Let's ruin Russia now in the same way?

            Or continue to live in the ass.
            What do the nightingales of the regime not sing about
            http://www.imperiyanews.ru/details/4f54a277-1149-
            e711-941f-2e815323a23f
            The deputy of United Russia O. Golodets recorded a steady increase in poverty in the Russian Federation. Millions of state employees work for the minimum wage. "Unfortunately, in the country after 2014, poverty is steadily growing and the measures that we are taking, we believe should be strengthened so far. First of all, poverty has affected PEOPLE WORKING. This is a special situation." According to Rosstat, the number of poor in the 2015 year increased by 3,1 million and reached 19,2 million. And at the beginning of 2016, the situation worsened even more; in January-March, 22,7 million became poor. That is, every sixth. Golodets called the cause of poverty that wages are greatly reduced relative to the real price of labor. That is, in an environment where everything around is no longer popular and not mine, but someone’s private, we are stupidly underpaid. EVEN THOSE 5-TILL MILLIONS WHO WORK FOR THE CAPITALIST STATE AND VOTE FOR THE PARTY OF AUTHORITY - BUDGETS.
            I don’t understand something: why do we live worse and worse? It seems that we have everything: oil, gas and Putin did well. And it feels like the more Putin done, the worse we live.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 23 January 2018 11: 45
              +3
              Quote: mrark
              Unfortunately in the country after 2014, poverty is steadily increasing

              Do you know what happened in 2014? For reference, a new war began with the West, in a more active phase.
            2. Vasya Vassin
              Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 12: 01
              0
              Your feelings do not differ from reality.
            3. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 23 January 2018 12: 25
              +7
              Quote: mrark
              I don’t understand something: why do we live worse and worse?
              Probably because you don’t understand that you didn’t live in the fat and satisfying 90s, or you were in infancy at that time. In the 90s, the number of poor and destitute reached 80%, and now 15% - the difference is obvious.
              Quote: mrark
              It seems that we have everything: oil and gas and Putin well doneAnd it feels like the more Putin done, the worse we live.
              We take our feet in our hands and stomp in the same 90s, when oil was exported duty free and the Russian treasury received miserable deductions. Babos was not from the word at all that ended with a "festive salute" in honor of DEFOLT-98 !. The "Tale" in which the "dear Russians" turned out to have had two associated poultices, which were called - Debt to the IMF and Inherited Debt from the USSR! The advent of GDP changed the approach to exporting oil and the “partners” were forced to pay for the export, after which some babosy for the “popular bowels” began to replenish the treasury. They paid the debt to the IMF ahead of schedule, created airbags in the form of development funds and national welfare. Last year, they paid off completely on USSR debts. And what projects got bogged down!
              Quote: mrark
              And it feels like the more Putin done, the worse we live.
              Yes, the Christmas tree sticks! Where do you live then?
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 23 January 2018 13: 40
                +3
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Yes, the Christmas tree sticks! Where do you live then?

                In virtual reality! DBL BLT (s) fool
              2. Zinochka
                Zinochka 23 February 2018 15: 51
                0
                Yes, Christmas tree sticks, where do you live?
          8. Freeman
            Freeman 23 January 2018 10: 44
            +6
            Varyag_0711 Today, 08:55
            Understand one simple thing, in order to fulfill ALL the promises of Grudinin, one must have power, i.e. completely loyal security officials from the army to the police.

            And what, the security forces personally gave the oath to Putin ?! There is an oath to the Fatherland - the Russian Federation, there are laws. The disloyal can always quit.
            Here is another - we somehow forgot who controls the Duma. And "Edra" has a constitutional majority there.
            I didn’t find what the law says, if a thought twice rejects the same bill introduced by the president — re-election of the Duma? Or like in 93rd? what
            1. Genry
              Genry 23 January 2018 12: 58
              +1
              Quote: Freeman
              I didn’t find what the law says, if a thought twice rejects the same bill introduced by the president — re-election of the Duma? Or like in 93rd?

              We heard a ringing - but you don’t know what it is about ..
              The president is not the legislative power - he is not the power at all, he is only a "guarantor of the Constitution." The Duma has legislative power and it can overcome the president’s veto (on the third attempt) and he is obliged to sign the law. But the Duma, although it considers and accepts, but does not develop laws. Consulting companies with a foreign address are involved in the development, as Russia is a colony. And Grudinin is the henchman of the owner.
              1. Pax tecum
                Pax tecum 23 January 2018 19: 32
                +2
                And that Presidential Decrees do not have the force of law?
                And yet, he (the President) has legislative initiative.
                Moreover, the presidential decrees are the operational management of the country.
              2. Zinochka
                Zinochka 23 February 2018 15: 54
                0
                Consulting companies with a foreign address are involved in the development, as Russia is a colony. And Grudinin is the henchman of the owner.
                Damn, did you re-read and listen to Fedorov? Throw it to you, this is frank nonsense.
          9. Sansculotte
            Sansculotte 23 January 2018 12: 39
            0
            It is you who described some kind of full-time kingdom, so this must be demolished.
            However, dialectically, in order to demolish it, you need to vote for Pitun, since he will definitely bury the federal girl, a probability of 100% or a premiere like Gorbachev’s slip
          10. zyzx
            zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 04
            11
            Putin is cheap populism, the famous Pu gurgle about raising the salary of doctors, up to 200% in the region. In December, they told us in the NSO MBOZ GKB No. 34 of Novosibirsk, in plain text, to raise your salary before the election, well, not up to 200% in the region of course, but at least up to 100%, and make it a bonus, and cancel it after the election.
          11. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 23 January 2018 14: 44
            +2
            with one, the collapse of the USSR began, the second finished it.

            Moreover, under the same empty slogans and unshuffled promises, politicians of easy virtue, and fools who believed in their promises.
            It's funny that most of these ... just recently appeared on the site right before the election ...
          12. Zinochka
            Zinochka 23 February 2018 14: 57
            +1
            And where does the army and the police? What are you talking about? If Grudinin becomes president, they will automatically obey him. What are your strange fantasies? And the oligarchs are confiscated amicably, stolen by overwork, and no one will beg them.
            The Grudinin team has all the mechanisms for this.
        2. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 23 January 2018 08: 57
          15
          Quote: Stas157
          Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.

          Yeah, it’s like this: smile
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 23 January 2018 09: 39
            18
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Yeah, it’s like this:

            You are completely shamelessly using unfair competition, since you cannot use such pictures against another, the same presidential candidate, Vladimir Putin, your chosen one.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 09: 59
              12
              Quote: Stas157
              You are completely shamelessly using unfair competition, since using such pictures ...

              Tell that to your "wrestling brother," Sling cutter-y wink
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 42
            27
            Quote: СРЦ П-15
            Yeah, it’s like this:

            or as laughing
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 11
              +7
              Yes, no, Zhirik must be put. I would have made him Foreign Minister or Russia's representative to the UN. lol Here he would have made a rustle there.
              1. dvvv
                dvvv 23 January 2018 11: 45
                +2
                Do you think he would behave like Solovyov’s? Although he plays the role of a clown, he has been sick for how long, but not. Something went to the Turks or to the Arabs and behaved there quietly.
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit 23 January 2018 11: 49
              +1
              The trees are sticks, but they seem to be adults, but like little children. Well, well, it seems that there would have been no Grudinin, you and your entire audience would have unanimously voted for Sobchak. Tell you who spins Grudinin when Navalny fell?
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 15: 06
                +8
                Quote: Orionvit
                Tell you who spins Grudinin when Navalny fell?
                State Department, Jews, Masons?
            3. Freeman
              Freeman 23 January 2018 12: 12
              12
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              Yeah, it’s like this:

              or as laughing

              Or so laughing
        3. volot-voin
          volot-voin 23 January 2018 10: 49
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.

          And the next oligarch with dark obscure intentions will be in power in power, to promote his business. And it turns out in Austria a hundred times more billion, only no one will dare say about this.
          I like socialism, but not the one that is promoting the oligarchs who have already robbed people.
          1. zyzx
            zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 16
            +8
            And now, understandable oligarchs are promoting our business with us.
            1. volot-voin
              volot-voin 2 February 2018 20: 25
              0
              Quote: zyzx
              And now, understandable oligarchs are promoting our business with us.

              Yeah, and this one is their poodle too. Hoh-li fought corruption with the help of Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk ....
          2. Zinochka
            Zinochka 23 February 2018 16: 40
            +1
            Well, firstly, Grudinin is not an oligarch, he is too poor for this, has nothing to do with monopolies and power. Secondly, there were no billions in Austria, there were about 40 million rubles.
        4. Freeman
          Freeman 23 January 2018 10: 57
          +2
          Quote: Stas157
          According to the author of "NZZ", the candidate from the Communist Party provides the Kremlin with a "service", giving the Russian election "legitimacy".

          Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.

          Let's.
          20 steps of Pavel Grudinin.
          p.19 ... The Supreme State Council will be established, without the approval of which no fundamentally important decision of the President of the country can be adopted.

          Who do you think will occupy this post? Zyuganov? I doubt it.
          Threat. And I want to believe in a "popular" candidate recourse
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 15: 07
            +3
            Quote: Freeman
            Who do you think will occupy this post? Zyuganov? I doubt it.
            hmm, hto? Is it Hilary Clinton?
        5. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 23 January 2018 12: 28
          +6
          There is an opinion that Ksyushad is also a project of the Kremlin. Let’s then choose Sobchachka as our presidency — we’ll spend several months — until this “project” takes power. And then we gnaw at our elbows - also some kind of variety ...
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 23 January 2018 16: 41
            +1
            Quote: Alex-a832
            Let’s then choose Sobchachka for our presidency — we’ll spend several months — until this “project” takes power

            Ksyusha is smarter and does not lick her ass, like Zhirik, Zyuga and Mironov. Of these, I would vote for her. He says the right things and is not afraid to go to the govnoshow.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 44
              +2
              And her ass is awesome.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 23 January 2018 17: 51
                +2
                Seen and better good drinks
        6. Genry
          Genry 23 January 2018 13: 46
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          Let's do the Kremlin a favor, elect Grudinin as the new president of Russia.

          1. Zinochka
            Zinochka 23 February 2018 16: 58
            0
            This Pyakin is like a psycho, what kind of nonsense does he carry? What is another global predictor? Interview from a crazy house.
        7. Troll
          Troll 24 January 2018 01: 15
          0
          brow lied to about your capital? He lied once, and he lied another, so hell to him and not the presidency
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 05
        +1
        better to lay down
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 23 January 2018 07: 46
      +2
      Putin’s victory in the elections is not in doubt, and Grudinin is not a hindrance to him, although he correctly says some things.
      1. Logall
        Logall 23 January 2018 07: 55
        35
        Quote: Spartanez300
        although he says certain things correctly.

        Putin also says a lot of things right ... Does he?
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 23 January 2018 08: 02
          +5
          By and large, they are all smeared in one world and the words of deeds are different for everyone.
          1. dSK
            dSK 23 January 2018 08: 50
            12
            Quote: Spartanez300
            words with deeds
            "Putin help": Employees of the "Farm" accused Grudinin of stealing the land. Employees of Lenin State Farm CJSC say that people who rewrote their land for organization in 1996 in exchange for a share in the State Farm still have not received any shares or land. A criminal case was opened, during which the investigation proved that signatures on the transfer of land to the "state farm" were forgedbut due to protracted investigation the case was closed after the statute of limitations. Now Grudinin owns 42% of shares "State farm named after Lenin." “Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, in connection with the above circumstances, we ask you, as the Head of State and the Guarantor of the Constitution, to instruct you to understand the current situation, take measures in accordance with the law to conduct an objective investigation of the theft, as well as to realize the possibility of return and compensation provided by law illegally stolen property and cash ", - the message to the president says. (Nevsky Dawns 10: 36,20.01.2018)
            1. dSK
              dSK 23 January 2018 08: 59
              11
              Grudinin turning Chubais “privatization” and becoming the next billionaire eager to state lands Russia, the rest is almost all privatized.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 22
                22
                That's a billionaire, so a billionaire. Usmanov and Deripaska quietly smoke on the sidelines. And where is the billions of it?
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                  2. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 23 January 2018 11: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: mrark
                    Just amazed at how many woodpeckers on the site. In the sense of dol ... c.

                    Self-criticism is good.
                  3. dSK
                    dSK 23 January 2018 12: 59
                    +8
                    Quote: mrark
                    "Billionaire" Grudinin for 6 years earned 167 million rubles.
                    Two simple questions - where did the assets in offshore on the accounts of Grudinin come from 7,5 billion rubles.,? which he had to get rid of before registration - transferred to his Russian accounts or to a relative? Where did they evaporate? If he transferred them to charitable foundations, you would have immediately voiced.
                    1. zyzx
                      zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 29
                      +7
                      Yes, they refuted this fake for a long time!
                    2. woron333444
                      woron333444 23 January 2018 14: 55
                      +1
                      Not rubles, but euros. And so everything is correct.
                    3. Greenwood
                      Greenwood 23 January 2018 15: 12
                      +9
                      You know, it seems to me that recalling the value of Grudinin's securities incorrectly calculated by magazines, which has long been refuted by both himself and Boldyrev, is already a bad tone. Have you slept in the last 2 weeks of chtoli?
                      1. Stirbjorn
                        Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 15: 30
                        +8
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        You know, it seems to me that recalling the value of Grudinin's securities incorrectly calculated by magazines, which has long been refuted by both himself and Boldyrev, is already a bad tone. Have you slept in the last 2 weeks of chtoli?
                        I already explained to the haters of Grudinin on my fingers and poked at the CEC documents, but each time it ended up with the opponent simply switching to another branch and restarting this song about 7.5 billion.
                      2. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 15: 34
                        +8
                        Quote: Greenwood
                        Have you slept in the last 2 weeks of chtoli?

                        Yeah ... I was sleeping.
                        So there and by whom documented disproved?
                        Is this also refuted?
                2. Genry
                  Genry 23 January 2018 13: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  And where is the billions of it?

                  1. Zinochka
                    Zinochka 23 February 2018 17: 27
                    0
                    On accounts in Austria, together with securities, there were about 40 million rubles, if securities were taken at market value, at par a little more. Everything that is said in this video is simply a lie. The arithmetic here is simple, we take the supplement to the declaration submitted to the CEC and look at what amounts are there and just add them up. Then we look that in six years Grudinin earned 157 million rubles, and accounts in Austria were opened in 2017 and the CEC did not have any questions about where he got 7,5 billion rubles, therefore there were simply no billions.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 07
                +7
                does not work. As they said in the USSR: a good product does not need advertising. Grudinin collects protest votes, they don’t need your “truth”.
              3. Zinochka
                Zinochka 23 February 2018 16: 55
                0
                Grudinin is not a billionaire, but Putin has already leased government land to the Chinese in the Far East and Siberia.
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 09
              30
              Quote: dsk
              “Putin, help”: Sovkhoz workers accused Grudinin of stealing the land. Employees of CJSC "State Farm named after Lenin" g

              It began)) 22 years old, the collective farmers were silent, and before the election they prayed for the sunshine .. Well, the obvious nonsense and chernukha .. Do you really believe that?
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 23 January 2018 10: 26
                +2
                Why not? How is the sternum truth different from any other? He will not say to himself anything that discredits his bright face of a candidate and a fighter for national happiness?
            3. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 21
              22
              Quote: dsk
              “Putin, help”: Sovkhoz workers accused Grudinin of stealing the land. Employees of Lenin State Farm CJSC say that people who rewrote their land to organize in 1996 in exchange for a share in Sovkhoz still have not received any shares or land.
              Already in 1996 they rewrote, but only now, before the 2018 elections, they decided to write to Putin. Directly such an order is frank, ashamed to spread wassat
              1. Dashout
                Dashout 23 January 2018 10: 06
                10
                Duck, they just before the election and found out who had their land and money!
                1. MrK
                  MrK 23 January 2018 11: 18
                  +8
                  Quote: Dashout
                  Duck, they just before the election and found out who had their land and money!

                  Do not lie. All trials ended at the beginning of the 20016 year
            4. Alex_59
              Alex_59 23 January 2018 11: 07
              12
              Quote: dsk
              - the message to the president says. (Nevsky Dawns 10: 36,20.01.2018)

              In the 1996 year they seized their land and until the 2018 year they waited to write an appeal to the president exactly when Grudinin went to the polls! Where were you before?
              No, I don’t know, maybe in kindergarten they believe in such tales. I don’t care about Grudinin, but there’s an obvious stuffing. They scored some drunks for sure that they urgently wrote as if they had squeezed something out, and wrote that they had been squeezed for a long time (who will now figure out what happened in the 96 year?)
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 13: 46
                +4
                Quote: Alex_59
                No, I don’t know, maybe in kindergarten they believe in such tales. I don’t care about Grudinin, but there’s an obvious stuffing. They scored some drunks for sure that they urgently wrote as if they had squeezed something out, and wrote that they had been squeezed for a long time (who will now figure out what happened in the 96 year?)

                This is reminiscent of stories about the “sexual harassment” of famous people. laughing
              2. Zinochka
                Zinochka 23 February 2018 17: 37
                0
                No, these offenses have always been, they just all lost the courts. The authorities simply cling to literally everything in order to defame Grudinin, and they have little choice.
            5. zyzx
              zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 17
              +2
              All by Mark Twain.
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 23 January 2018 11: 08
          +2
          Quote: Logall
          Putin also says a lot of things right ... Does he?

          You can talk a lot and anything, but in order to do it you need funds and opportunities.
        3. MrK
          MrK 23 January 2018 11: 17
          13
          Quote: Logall
          But does it?

          Why doesn’t. Does.
          Andrey Fursov http://www.imperiyanews.ru/details/bebf15a8-03fa-
          e711-80ea-020c5d00406e
          According to the Global Wealth Report, the share of 1% of rich Russians accounts for 71% of all personal assets of Russia. For comparison, the share of 1% in India is 49% of personal assets, in Africa - 44%, in the USA - 37%, in China and Europe - 32%, in Europe - 17%. The world average is 46%, and in our country 71%, that is, the wealthy of Russia exceeded the world figures 1,6 times. Another indicator by which the Russian Federation leads is the share of the wealthiest 5% of the population in the personal wealth of the country - 82,5%. The remaining 95, therefore, have 17,5% - and, as they say, do not deny yourself anything! Another killer figure: 96 Russian billionaires own 30% of all personal assets of Russian citizens. World average is 2%. That is, Russian billionaires are 15 times cooler than the world average.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 15: 15
            +4
            Quote: mrark
            1% of the wealthy in India account for 49% of personal assets, in Africa - 44%, in the USA - 37%, in China and Europe - 32%, in Europe - 17%. The world average is 46%
            Well then in the world. We have Russia here, we have "our own special way" (c) lol
      2. Evil543
        Evil543 23 January 2018 07: 55
        28
        Too much Grudinin becomes here. If only they would write about his managerial successes and in detail. And then he cashed out billions, but how he earned it. Honesty itself repeat
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 24
          18
          About his successfully operating enterprise, where good salaries and pensions are paid, all social obligations are fulfilled, where pensioners are given free products for the winter, you probably have not heard.
          1. Genry
            Genry 23 January 2018 13: 07
            +3
            Quote: Greenwood
            About his successfully operating enterprise, where good salaries and pensions are paid, all social obligations are fulfilled, where pensioners are given free products for the winter, you probably have not heard.

            Do you believe that?
            He grabbed the land within Moscow (even Luzhkov butted him) and leased it or sold it at a frantic price. The collective farm also lit up the sale of foreign smuggled strawberries.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 48
              +2
              Quote: Genry
              lit up by the sale of foreign smuggled strawberries.
              What you don’t know here on the site ...
            2. Zinochka
              Zinochka 23 February 2018 17: 43
              0
              About smuggling strawberries is a lie. Or give evidence, but not to icteric sites and media.
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 29
          19
          Quote: Evil543
          If only they would write about his managerial successes and in detail.

          The Internet is available, full of videos about life on the state farm. For example, long before he was nominated as a candidate
          Naturally, according to official media, no one will show you this
          1. garnik
            garnik 23 January 2018 09: 58
            +7
            If there is no refutation of this video, then you can try to vote for it. Instead of the nationalization of industrial enterprises, I would like to hear about the nationalization of Russia's subsoil. And they will steal everything, only not everyone leaves a good memory.
            Although I do not respect the leaders of the Communist Party
          2. Evil543
            Evil543 23 January 2018 10: 04
            +5
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: Evil543
            If only they would write about his managerial successes and in detail.

            The Internet is available, full of videos about life on the state farm. For example, long before he was nominated as a candidate
            Naturally, according to official media, no one will show you this

            I see it every day, and the salary there is not above average
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 14
              17
              Many villagers and hard workers in the suburbs receive 70-80 thousand?
              Well, about the regions, I generally bashfully keep silent ...
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 23 January 2018 10: 26
                +3
                300 meters from MKAD consider the suburbs? And on rent they get more than they grow.
                1. MrK
                  MrK 23 January 2018 11: 21
                  11
                  Quote: Evil543
                  300 meters from MKAD consider the suburbs?


                  There were a dozen collective farms and state farms. Where are they? Sold their shares and scribe.
                2. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 22
                  +7
                  Quote: Evil543
                  300 meters from MKAD consider the suburbs?
                  Well, it's hard for me to judge from the Primorsky Territory. But the Moscow Region how many meters from the Moscow Ring Road begins? lol
                  Quote: Evil543
                  And on rent they get more than they grow.
                  Here we were talking about the salaries of workers, and not about the income of the state farm from the lease of land.
                  1. marline
                    marline 23 January 2018 11: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    But the Moscow Region how many meters from the Moscow Ring Road begins? lol

                    Immediately beyond the Moscow Ring Road. Although, now we have the project "big Moscow". It is interesting that the residents of the city of Vidnoye really want to live in Moscow, but the Lenin state farm does not want to, because everyone remains to live in the suburbs.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Here we were talking about the salaries of workers, and not about the income of the state farm from the lease of land.

                    And let's get Miller to the presidency - after all, PJSC Gazprom also has high salaries wink
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          3. woron333444
            woron333444 23 January 2018 10: 22
            +1
            Abramovich built all this for residents of elite villages, but not for collective farmers.
          4. Genry
            Genry 23 January 2018 13: 24
            +3
            The rash billionaire caressed by the Americans ...
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 13: 49
              +6
              The year has just begun, and already the "disappointment of the year" wassat The comments on YouTube for this video are very eloquent
              1. Genry
                Genry 23 January 2018 15: 18
                +3
                Like you write. Very serious funding and foreign support.
                If you type in YouTube search for Grudinin, then there is only refined information, and the negative is discarded.
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 22: 13
                  +1
                  By the way, I found a continuation of your video from Ostashko, well, where about the Liechtenstein Bank! Well, you didn’t put everything out, or did they only convey the first part to the Nodovites ?!
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 11
          15
          name one honest surrounded by Putin
          1. Evil543
            Evil543 23 January 2018 10: 28
            +4
            Have I even written a word about Putin here now? I would prefer the site "army out of politics."
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 39
              11
              19
              Evil543 Today, 07:55 ↑
              Too much Grudinin becomes here. If only they would write about his managerial successes and in detail. And then he cashed out billions, but how he earned it. Honesty itself
              ------------------
              You doubted Grudinin, your right. I am surrounded by Putin. About Putin, the St. Petersburg stage of life is not interested?
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 23 January 2018 10: 47
                +2
                Have I even written a word about Putin here now? I would prefer the site "army out of politics."
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 24
                  +9
                  Why then do you write about Grudinin at all, since "the army is out of politics"? He is not military.
                  1. Evil543
                    Evil543 23 January 2018 12: 58
                    +2
                    I do not like agitation, disgusting. Everyone has a stigma in the gun ...
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 23 January 2018 11: 31
                  +1
                  do not be angry. you do not understand
                  1. Evil543
                    Evil543 23 January 2018 15: 41
                    +2
                    Where did you see the anger? Everyone understands how he wants.
      3. victorsh
        victorsh 23 January 2018 08: 27
        +4
        and Grudinin is not a hindrance to him, although he says certain things correctly.Besides the nationalization of enterprises, everything else is right. Why? We take the example of Tolmachevo air company. The main shares were at the city. We put up for auction (why the tenth question) and bought Novaport. Where did the federals have to figure out the money from these guys before the purchase? "because take-off is joint with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The deal was approved. And now give it to the city for free? Bullshit."
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 23 January 2018 08: 29
        19
        Spartanez300
        Putin’s victory in the elections is beyond doubt, and Grudinin is not a hindrance to him, though some things he speaks correctly.
        Why only some? And Putin is right at 100% correct laughing Putin did the right thing, but otherwise belay Yes, the withdrawal of hundreds of lard in American securities of what it’s worth. Everything for Putin’s election! laughing Zyuganov, I repeat, even surprised me this time. This is a move called a horse. And even accusing Grudinin of any rubbish is useless. It’s a decent life where he works. It’s very difficult to compare with the life that the current government organized for us.Oh, wait now, as with EBN about Grudinin, the media ditties will also turn on. That's where the scream will be.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 23 January 2018 09: 14
          +3
          Quote: Observer2014
          Zyuganov, I repeat, even this time I was surprised

          even me
          Are you the navel of the earth? No offense
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 32
          10

          Oh, I remembered here. One to one straight.
        3. MrK
          MrK 23 January 2018 11: 25
          11
          Quote: Observer2014
          All for Putin’s election!

          I agree. Andrey Fursov http://www.imperiyanews.ru/details/bebf15a8-03fa-
          e711-80ea-020c5d00406e
          According to Knight Frank, which is presented in a report prepared by T. Picketti, in the Russian Federation the number of multimillionaires with 30 million dollars, centillionaires from 100 million, and billionaires increased from 2004 to 2014 a year by 3,5 times and, According to the forecast, by 2024 the year will increase one and a half times. And the other side of the coin is this: from 1992 to 2016, a trillion dollars were stolen from Russia in the form of illegal financial flows of 2,7, raw materials for 25 years were exported to 5 trillions of dollars. But Marx once wrote that property is not a theft, but a legal attitude.

          According to Global Burden of Disease Studies, RF takes 119-th place in the world in terms of health of citizens; in the rating of the comfort life of older people (pension, health status, quality of the social environment) RF is at 79 place of 91. According to our Rosstat, 22,7 million people. (15,7%) have an income below the subsistence level (which, by the way, is underestimated here), that is, they are poor. According to Eurostat criteria, the poor are those who have incomes below 60% of median income in a given country. We have such 25%.
          Thank you Vladimir Vladimirovich. And a deep bow.
      5. Freeman
        Freeman 23 January 2018 10: 24
        11
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Putin’s victory in the elections is not in doubt, and Grudinin is not a hindrance to him, although he correctly says some things.

        Hillary Clinton's victory was also not in doubt. The Americans chose Trump.
        Well stupid!
        / © M. Zadornov /
        laughing
        1. Galaxy
          Galaxy 23 January 2018 13: 27
          +2
          You do not compare the American elections with ours, our winner is always known in advance and this is not Grudinin, .... but it's a pity!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 23 January 2018 08: 02
      +8
      Ahead are the dibats and candidate programs. But this will not affect the next unfulfilled May decrees. winked
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 January 2018 08: 33
        27
        Quote: siberalt
        Ahead are the dibats and candidate programs. But this will not affect the next unfulfilled May decrees. winked

        Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate .. And all his ratings will fly down ..
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 23 January 2018 09: 03
          19
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: siberalt
          Ahead are the dibats and candidate programs. But this will not affect the next unfulfilled May decrees. winked

          Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate .. And all his ratings will fly down ..

          good good good Burn agitators laughing So afraid, so afraid that he can’t eat, he can’t sleep, he crawled right under the bed wassat Grudinin will come, the next day everyone will be happy and the jelly banks with cognac rivers will flow. Well, well, kindergarten pants on the straps. Believe me, believe it. good
          1. cniza
            cniza 23 January 2018 09: 17
            +2
            Vlad, welcome! hi tired of politics, although without it in any way ...
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 23 January 2018 09: 55
              15
              Quote: cniza
              Vlad, welcome! hi tired of politics, although without it in any way ...

              Zdarova Vitya! drinks hi Our voter surprises me, everyone believes in fairy tales about the kissel banks, whoever would not be in the Kremlin, if I didn’t earn money, the Kremlin wouldn’t bring me in its beak and put it in my mouth, and what’s going on laughing the agitators divorced, like cockroaches in the hut, so I'm kidding, although Vitya was thinking who to vote for, but now it’s like Comrade Grudinin will not get my vote and 4 more votes from my family, well done agitators did a good job! good drinks hi
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 17
                15
                Quote: vlad66
                Grudinin will not receive my vote and 4 more votes of my family
                Great solution, brush. We vote for Rottenberg, Dvorkovich, Siluanov, Usmanov’s yacht and Peskov’s daughter. Well, of course, for the person they surround. Worthy people of the country. So win! lol
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 23 January 2018 10: 34
                  11
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  So win!

                  But do not you think sir, that for whom to vote is my business lol For me, you vote at least for Grudinin, at least for the devil in a mortar, but honestly I’ll tell you your campaign here has gotten into a topic or not. Such dairy rivers you draw, such jelly banks, salivating right now, but I remember like before the election On June 12, 1991, exactly the same promises were made, a certain candidate even promised to go on the rails, well, sir, dream on your business, I’m scamming from the side.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  We vote for Rottenberg, Dvorkovich, Siluanov, Usmanov’s yacht and Peskov’s daughter.

                  My dearest to them, as absolutely as to the Moon, someone else’s money, posts, children somehow don’t excite me from the word at all, unfortunately you’re screaming atu with their bulging eyes from anger. Wow, I won’t scream them, My family is in priority, not Dvorkovichi, Rotenberg and others, they will not feed my family, and Grudinin too, so I have listened to your fairy tales for so long that they haven’t acted on me for a long time. Hi Udaltsov. hi
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 23 January 2018 10: 44
                    +3
                    Vitya thought he was thinking of whom to vote for, but now it’s like Comrade Grudinin will not get my vote and 4 more votes from my family, well done agitators did a good job!


                    Soon Mr. Grudinin will open up in all its glory, we still know little about him. And I still didn’t think, worries were full of mouth, but certainly not for him.
                    1. vlad66
                      vlad66 23 January 2018 10: 52
                      +8
                      Quote: cniza
                      And I still didn’t think, worries are full of mouth,

                      Victor, well, it's up to you to decide hi Unlike the boys in short pants, I’m not accustomed to tell fairy tales about anyone or to water the slop of another opponent, and this is disgusting. hi
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 23 January 2018 10: 55
                        +2
                        His life has not yet beaten, so he talks in a choke "about the first kiss."
                  2. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 29
                    12
                    Quote: vlad66
                    you draw such dairy rivers, such jelly banks, salivating right now
                    Apparently you see a rotten swamp with a sewer flowing into it closer.
                    Quote: vlad66
                    as before the June 12, 1991 elections, exactly the same promises were made, a certain candidate even promised to lie on the rails
                    This same candidate 8 years later pulled out some left-wing assistant to the former governor of St. Petersburg, about whom no one had heard, and said that this was “Russia's choice”.
                    Quote: vlad66
                    My dearest to them, as absolutely as to the Moon, someone else’s money, posts, children somehow don’t excite me from the word at all, unfortunately you’re screaming atu with their bulging eyes from anger. Wow, I won’t scream them, My family is a priority, and not Dvorkovichi, Rotenberg and others, they will not feed my family
                    Maybe you generally spit on the state, and on its future, too? Like, my hut is on the edge, and my shirt is closer to the body.
                    1. vlad66
                      vlad66 23 January 2018 11: 44
                      +7
                      Quote: Greenwood
                      Maybe you generally spit on the state, and on its future, too?

                      Dear, but go with agitation and Grudinin to the elections a. NADOELI. I will not argue with you if you did not understand anything from my first post to you, well, God bless you and good luck in the elections. hi
                  3. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 23 January 2018 18: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: vlad66
                    , My family priority is not Dvorkovichi, Rotenberg and others, they will not feed my family

                    While they do not look into your pocket .. And you, sorry, do not refuel at special gas stations?
                    Quote: vlad66
                    Hi Udaltsov.

                    I will convey! soldier
                    1. vlad66
                      vlad66 23 January 2018 18: 09
                      +6
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      And you, sorry, do not refuel at a special gas station?

                      And if you buy a car, then I’ll go to the usual one laughing Children at the usual refuel. wink
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 23 January 2018 18: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: vlad66
                        if you buy a car, then at least I’ll go to the usual

                        no problems, chase mine, only he needs care, change the matzo and so on ... belay
                      2. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 23 January 2018 19: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: vlad66
                        And if you buy a car, then I’ll go to the usual one

                    2. vlad66
                      vlad66 23 January 2018 19: 24
                      +6
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      no problems, chase mine, only he needs care, change the matzo and so on ...

                      Sure, not a problem laughing Only I have no rights, since I don’t need a car, the children carry to the country, and I’ll go to the boutiques. laughing Well, you say you live poorly, with the tachilas to the left and to the right you spread out. wink
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 46
                +3
                Quote: vlad66
                but now it’s for sure Comrade Grudinin that my voice and my family’s 4 will not receive the voice, well done agitators did a good job!

                I agree, colleague. It is always necessary to go from the simple. When I start vigorously pushing something from all sides or someone, I immediately suspect that they want to “shod”, “divorce”, “push”, fuck, both. ..to burn, in short to deceive. So, for such figures I always have one answer - to deceive a passerby who looks like himself!
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 23 January 2018 11: 59
                  +7
                  Quote: Captain45
                  So, for such figures I always have one answer - deceive a passerby who looks like himself!

                  Yes, Yuri hi Everything ingenious is simple. They look not by words, but by deeds. Sincerely, Yuri! hi Py.Sy.Now agitators are now raiding again. request
          2. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 23 January 2018 09: 24
            12
            So afraid, so afraid that he can’t eat, he can’t sleep, he crawled right under the bed

            Well, what isn't it? At his last press conferences, instead of answering direct questions, he usually brings in a hi-hi ha-ha, or tells a joke, or begins thoughtful discussions, and in vernacular water pouring. If you were so cool would go out to the debate and smear it, but no, it’s better to pretend that he does not need it. Therefore, they conclude correctly - they are afraid.
          3. shura7782
            shura7782 23 January 2018 10: 18
            +9
            will come, the next day everyone will be happy
            Whoever comes, you have to rake mom do not cry !!!
            Poor edros will go over to the communists.
          4. MrK
            MrK 23 January 2018 11: 27
            12
            Quote: vlad66
            Grudinin will come, the next day everyone will be happy and the jelly banks with cognac rivers will flow.

            Putin almost 20 years in power. And what are you swimming in the cognac river? Or at home in a jacuzzi with girls with low social responsibility?
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 23 January 2018 11: 36
              +7
              Quote: mrark
              why are you swimming in the cognac river?

              Where I bathe is absolutely NOT YOUR business yes I’m not familiar with you and therefore it’s not necessary to poke. I don’t poke you and a woodpecker or a dolt I don’t call anyone on the site, unlike you. And with agitation, please be so kind and yes .One hell will not help. Good luck. hi
              1. MrK
                MrK 23 January 2018 12: 54
                +9
                Quote: vlad66
                I am not familiar with you and therefore poking is not necessary.

                Ah, finally post your Excellency highly, the couch general of an old peasant who addressed you to the tsar. If you are angry, Jupiter, then YOU are wrong.
                1. vlad66
                  vlad66 23 January 2018 13: 41
                  +7
                  Quote: mrark
                  If you are angry, Jupiter, then YOU are wrong.

                  Dear, if you are an ordinary boor from life, this is not so bad, but if you also have an ordinary Hamla couch, it’s trouble.
                  Quote: mrark
                  an old peasant who addressed you to the tsar.

                  Do not bow to the legs ?. laughing Good luck in the election. hi
          5. dvvv
            dvvv 23 January 2018 12: 50
            +5
            three sunsets gave the same result! This is the fourth time he will succeed! Dude even threw himself into the hole, so he is still trying to steer!
          6. albert
            albert 23 January 2018 18: 33
            +5
            Quote: vlad66
            Burn agitators laughing. So afraid, so afraid that he can’t eat, can’t sleep, wassat Grudinin crawls right under the bed, the next day everyone will be happy and the kissel banks with cognac rivers will flow. Well, kindergarten pants on the straps. Believe me, believe it. good

            Well what to say ...
        2. BecmepH
          BecmepH 23 January 2018 09: 16
          +6
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate ..

          Do you believe yourself? What, what, but the GDP knows how. He has a simple and understandable syllable, we must give him his due.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 20
            25
            Quote: BecmepH
            Quote: Svarog
            Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate ..

            Do you believe yourself? What, what, but the GDP knows how. He has a simple and understandable syllable, we must give him his due.

            haah ridiculed .. the syllable will not help in the debate, the facts are needed there .. but Putin’s opponents have so many that Putin will mumble and forget all his slogans .. This is not to answer staged questions, but how the dog is doing ..
            1. BecmepH
              BecmepH 23 January 2018 09: 28
              +6
              Quote: Svarog
              the syllable will not help in the debate, the facts are needed there .. but Putin’s opponents have so many that Putin will mumble and forget all his slogans .. This is not to answer staged questions, but about how the dog is doing ..

              I am not for Putin. But! He knows how to speak. Always operates with numbers, i.e. he prepares his speech thoroughly. And I'm sure that he will "talk" of any.
              As for the facts. I think he has more facts in any way than any "debater." The system, sir, is in his hands.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 44
                19
                Quote: BecmepH
                As for the facts. I think he has more facts in any way than any "debater." System sir in his hands

                And why does he not show off his preparedness? What do you think? Yes, because it is very difficult to debate a direct question at a debate. At a press conference - it’s easy, it’s not accepted to repeat the same question, but here they will force. And oh, how many questions to him))
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 21
                11
                Quote: BecmepH
                that he "talks" of any.
                For all 18 years I have never seen him “talk” at least to someone and crush with arguments. But, as they took the microphone from people dissatisfied with his answers, he saw more than once or twice.
                Quote: BecmepH
                And i'm sure

                Quote: BecmepH
                I think
                It is visible that you are only sure and only think. You have no evidence.
                Quote: BecmepH
                The system, sir, is in his hands.
                You say so, as if this is something good ... And this only shows that there is no system (independent of one person), but that what we see, at least somehow works and revolves around it alone . There will be no Putin, a squabble and a redistribution of power within EdR itself will begin. What will happen to Russia in this case, I am afraid to imagine.
                1. BecmepH
                  BecmepH 23 January 2018 13: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  There will be no Putin, a squabble and a redistribution of power within EdR itself will begin. What will happen to Russia in this case, I am afraid to imagine.

                  You said it yourself! Or a reservation! According to Freud.
                  What did you attack me? What are you trying to convince? What is Grudinin better? And you give an end to clipping, what is it?
                  Putin, debate ... Yes, in the coffin I saw this debate. I don’t look so bad.
                  Was Grudinin at the debate? Enlighten, otherwise I don’t know. I really don't know
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 23 January 2018 18: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: BecmepH
                    Enlighten, otherwise I don’t know. I really don't know

          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 36
            15
            That's why he reads a piece of paper all the way. And at the annual conferences "communication with the people" he answers evasively the most pressing questions, smearing long meaningless phrases and, as a result, not really answering the question. At the same time, the person who asked the question is taken away from the microphone, passing it to another and it turns out that there is no discussion (but I generally keep quiet about the dispute).
            Quote: BecmepH
            and GDP can speak.
            With whom did he at least once lead an argumentative directed dispute or discussion ?!
            1. dauria
              dauria 23 January 2018 10: 18
              +5
              With whom did he at least once lead an argumentative directed dispute or discussion ?!


              Do you even understand that in this debate you are simply proposing to choose a speaker? What for ? For me, even if it will be deaf and dumb. In fact, neither debate nor "popular" elections are needed. It is foolish for the hard workers to choose the factory director or the soldiers and junior officers of the divisional commander, and even "on debate."
              Anyway, any chosen one will fall into the "mechanism" of the leadership and either destroy the working plant or it will do everything as it was. There are no elections in China; there were no elections in the USSR. So what ? Yes, they are nowhere by and large there are no real ones. Power through elections does not change.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 35
                +5
                Quote: dauria
                Power through elections does not change.

                Quote: dauria
                There are no elections in China; there were no elections in the USSR. So what ? Yes, they are nowhere by and large there are no real ones.

                Quote: dauria
                In fact, neither debate nor "popular" elections are needed.
                Your suggestions?
                1. dauria
                  dauria 23 January 2018 13: 28
                  +5
                  [quote] Your suggestions? [quote]

                  Recipe long-standing and effective - the proletarians, unite. Where are the unions, strikes, demonstrations? This is the norm under capitalism. We do not, then something is wrong. And the elections are just a decent tool for the struggle of the clans of the oligarchs. Otherwise, these guys begin shooting each other, destroying people and the country.
          3. shura7782
            shura7782 23 January 2018 10: 22
            +3
            Quote: BecmepH
            Quote: Svarog
            Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate ..

            Do you believe yourself? What, what, but the GDP knows how. He has a simple and understandable syllable, we must give him his due.

            He has a simple and understandable syllable.
            I would say lullaby. smile
          4. MrK
            MrK 23 January 2018 11: 31
            19
            Quote: BecmepH
            What-what, but GDP knows how


            Right He speaks for 17 years. What's the point? I will repeat the example.
            2001 Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that housing and communal services reform should be carried out at the expense of worsening living conditions.
            2002 Mr. Putin: “Only such an approach will help alleviate the fears of our citizens that the entire housing and communal services reform will not come down to a bare increase in tariffs.”
            2003 Mr. Putin: “The problem of housing and communal services cannot be solved by raising administrative tariffs.”
            2005 Mr. V. Putin - demanded to stop the "bacchanalia" with housing and communal services.
            2006 V. Putin - dissatisfied with the growth of tariffs for housing and communal services
            2007 Mr. V. Putin: “Already, it is important to launch truly effective economic mechanisms to stop the unjustified increase in tariffs and ensure an increase in the quality of these services (housing and communal services). "People do not expect money from us, people expect changes for the better from us, they have the right to count on this."
            2008 Mr. Putin: "The growth rate of housing and communal services tariffs can and should be reduced."
            2009 Mr. Putin: "Speculatively overstated housing and utilities tariffs is unacceptable."
            2011 (May) V. Putin: "Housing and communal services cannot be reformed at the expense of the population."
            2013 g. (March) V. Putin: “Are you crazy? You can’t overestimate the prices in housing and communal services. ”
            As a result, since 1999 of the year the cost of housing and communal services has increased by - 3850% or - by 38,5 times!
            Well, vote for him in March. Only then awake for another six years. And remember: problems suffered godfather oligarchs do not strain.
            1. MrK
              MrK 23 January 2018 12: 32
              12
              Quote: mrark
              Right He speaks for 17 years. What's the point? I will repeat the example

              But dear Vladimir Vladimirovich is worried not only about high prices for housing and communal services. He and gasoline prices worry.

              2002 - Putin is concerned about the spike in gas prices.
              2004 - Putin is against speculative gas prices.
              2005 - Putin is dissatisfied with rising gas prices.
              2006 - "We need to respond quickly and monitor the rise in gas prices," Putin said.
              2007 - Putin wants to lower excise tax on high-quality gasoline.
              2008 - Putin promised to deal with high gas prices.
              2009 - Putin demanded to return gas prices to the level of 2008 of the year.
              2010 - Putin believes that gas prices in Russia are too high.
              2011 - Putin became interested in gas prices. 2011 - Putin is sure that there is a conspiracy between gas producers.
              2011 - Putin promised to "hand on hand" for high gas prices.
              2013 - “This year, the time to fight gas prices has not come yet,” Putin summed up ...
              2014 - Putin is surprised: "... oil is getting cheaper, while gasoline is getting more expensive in Russia (?!).".
              2016 - Putin signed a law to increase excise taxes on gasoline.
              2017 - "In no case should manufacturers, sellers and intermediaries be allowed to raise prices (for gasoline), and this is very obvious, they must be economically justified."
              He speaks very well and correctly. And how and what happens - you see for yourself or ask at the gas station.
          5. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 12: 12
            +5
            He has a simple and understandable syllable to read on a piece of paper already prepared answers to questions pre-selected. No one does not say that GDP, we must pay tribute to this careful and prudent man, he knows how to calculate moves. But for normal lively debates, he has little data to hold them to his advantage.
          6. dvvv
            dvvv 23 January 2018 13: 07
            +4
            but it won’t go to debate! Wrong questions will be asked there and smooth speech will immediately fail!
        3. Vladimirsky
          Vladimirsky 23 January 2018 09: 18
          +3
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin is afraid of debate, his debate

          If he was afraid of them, there would simply be no debate. And which candidate will not “run into” the current government (Putin) in the debate? Or is it forbidden without his personal presence?
          Mosquitoes cannot "tear" a political elephant.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 23 January 2018 09: 22
            11
            Quote: Vladimirsky
            If he was afraid of them, there would simply be no debate.

            In reality, Putin is afraid of only one candidate, “against all.” Therefore, in the ballots of all election levels, this possibility has disappeared.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 33
            19
            Quote: Vladimirsky
            If he was afraid of them, there would simply be no debate.

            So for him they are not. Putin has never taken part in debates ..
          3. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 37
            13
            Quote: Vladimirsky
            If he was afraid of them, there would simply be no debate.
            He just does not go to debate, that's all. And if someone comes from EdRa like Fedorov, then it looks just a pity.
          4. shura7782
            shura7782 23 January 2018 10: 25
            +9
            Quote: Vladimirsky
            Quote: Svarog
            Putin is afraid of debate, his debate

            If he was afraid of them, there would simply be no debate. And which candidate will not “run into” the current government (Putin) in the debate? Or is it forbidden without his personal presence?
            Mosquitoes cannot "tear" a political elephant.

            The elephant has a cork in its right side. At the debate, she will fall out and he will be blown away.
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 23 January 2018 09: 58
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate .. And all his ratings will fly down ..

          Nonsense, nonsense))) Ratings will not fly off. Be realistic
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 23 January 2018 10: 23
            12
            Of course, cheat if necessary.
    4. Vladimirsky
      Vladimirsky 23 January 2018 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir16
      The tribune of Western European values ​​Chuvakin once again revealed the secret plan of the Kremlin

      Fantasies always have their own flight, and before the election it’s just a comic flight.
      Even one Zhirinovsky already gives legitimacy to the elections, the rest, one might say - the appendage.
      Well, Grudinin, with his supertaxes for the rich (will lead to an insane withdrawal of money abroad), and the abolition of taxes from the poor (who already pay a Gulkin nose) is a return to 90. The storm will not be childish.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 36
        17
        Quote: Vladimirsky
        Well, Grudinin, with his supertaxes for the rich (will entail a crazy withdrawal of money abroad)

        Something in Saudi Arabia didn’t slow down)) All the princes were imprisoned, but for free air they had to breathe out with full breasts .. The treasury was replenished for many billions of dollars, you think this is not possible with us?)
        1. Vladimirsky
          Vladimirsky 23 January 2018 09: 47
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          All the princes were imprisoned, but for free air I had to breathe out with full breasts. I had to replenish the treasury for many billions of dollars

          In the tum-yumba tribe on the Ivory Coast, competitors for the role of the main leader also eliminated the rivals - 153 glass beads were hammered themselves - so can we focus on them?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 January 2018 10: 08
            13
            Quote: Vladimirsky
            In the tum-yumba tribe on the Ivory Coast, competitors for the role of the main leader also eliminated the rivals - 153 glass beads were hammered themselves - so can we focus on them?

            Here is today's government, which is precisely oriented towards the tum-yumba tribe, for glass beads ..
      2. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 23 January 2018 09: 42
        +8
        Quote: Vladimirsky
        Quote: Vladimir16
        The tribune of Western European values ​​Chuvakin once again revealed the secret plan of the Kremlin

        Fantasies always have their own flight, and before the election it’s just a comic flight.
        Even one Zhirinovsky already gives legitimacy to the elections, the rest, one might say - the appendage.
        Well, Grudinin, with his supertaxes for the rich (will lead to an insane withdrawal of money abroad), and the abolition of taxes from the poor (who already pay a Gulkin nose) is a return to 90. The storm will not be childish.

        So, after all, for that, and first privatization. And then ultimatums to the countries in which the capital escaped, about the extradition along with the carcasses. Yes, although there are sanctions on our part. The same oil and gas. Yes, and much more.
        And, I wonder who guaranteed the "runaway capital" that it is still owned by the former owners, and not confiscated by the host country?
        Such laws exist in the Western world and work quite successfully.
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 23 January 2018 10: 00
          12
          And, the withdrawal of money abroad to the "partners" is suppressed by one decree. And the genocide of the "disobedient" bankers. There would be a will.
          And, apparently, P. Grudinin will be ready to do this, unlike the hollow breeds from the government.
          And, his team can be at the same time. Within a day will invite, even before entry. The teams are already there, in fact, ready. Yes, at least the guys from the Izborsk club. There are many worthy people.
          1. Vasya Vassin
            Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 12: 15
            +5
            There are people do not hesitate. And there will also be a tenth of sailors with Nagans. Do not think that we do not have irreplaceable people in the government and in the localities.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 January 2018 18: 22
              +3
              Quote: Vasya Vassin
              There are people do not hesitate. And there will also be a tenth of sailors with Nagans. Do not think that we do not have irreplaceable people in the government and in the localities.

      3. dvvv
        dvvv 23 January 2018 13: 09
        +4
        and who will give them the conclusion? The Chinese are full of rich people, but nothing is inferior to derive ... But now they are deducing as they wish and paying the wimps! For some reason, even state-owned enterprises offshore!
    5. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 23 January 2018 09: 15
      10
      Vladimir16You are right, it surprises me with what zeal our "experts" convey to our public facts about how expertly in the West they rot the Kremlin, Russia and personally Comrade Putin, and how in the West they rip off masks from Kremlin intrigues. According to the law of the genre, after bringing slander and a false essence about us, a refutation and position on the shoulder blades of the vile slanderers must ensue. But this is not happening. So the question is. but is not hidden behind the screen of "objectivity" the desire to propagandize the public with the lies of enemy speculation.
    6. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 22
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir16
      All were bought by the Kremlin and only one heaped up is fighting for a brighter future !!!

      I also thought that the hidden meaning of the article, in the campaign for Navalny lol
    7. Captain45
      Captain45 23 January 2018 09: 58
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir16
      The tribune of Western European values ​​Chuvakin once again revealed the secret plan of the Kremlin

      Yes, why the stands? request Oleg has been doing digests (reviews) of Western media for a long time and what is criminal or anti-Russian what , laying out the most striking samples of foreigners.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 23 January 2018 13: 18
        +1
        I am sure that there are a lot of foreigners in the west, but whoever would be found and put in the Russian network.
    8. capitosha1rang
      capitosha1rang 23 January 2018 13: 15
      0
      Not all materials are comrade I like Dude, but, in many ways, he is right.
      As in this case,
      That comrade Grudinin - "vacuum cleaner" - this is visible to the blind.
      What angle do the “colonels” look from Military Review is a big question.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 January 2018 07: 45
    +8
    It’s bad that those people who really can help the country get out of the economic hole, such as Delyagin, cannot break through to the authorities! !!!
    1. Lev davigadov
      Lev davigadov 23 January 2018 07: 57
      +2
      or Glazyev with Khazin. "Our strangers are very rare"
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 23 January 2018 08: 06
        +4
        "People" candidate ..... lol
        https://publizist.ru/blogs/108991/22825/-?utm_sou
        rce = politobzor.net,
        http://stockinfocus.ru/2018/01/17/prachechnaya-dl
        ya-kandidata-kak-pavel-grudinin-dengi-perepryatyv
        al /? utm_source = politobzor.net
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 23 January 2018 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      It’s bad that those people who really can help the country get out of the economic hole, such as Delyagin, cannot break through to the authorities! !!!

      Delyagin say, well, let's see what kind of person is with such a speaking last name:
      "" Born on 18 on March 1968 in Moscow.
      - 1986-1988 - service in the Soviet Army.
      - 1992 g. - graduated with honors from the Faculty of Economics of Moscow State University. Lomonosov.
      - From July 1990 to November 1993, analyst of the Group of Experts B. Yeltsin; left her by
      own initiative. He led the Analytical Center of the Cominvest Group.
      - Since May 1994 - chief analyst of the Analytical Department of the President of the Russian Federation
      (leaders - E. Yasin, M. Urnov, V. Pechenev).
      - Since October 1996 - Assistant to the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation for Economics (S. Ignatiev).
      - Since March 1997 - Advisor on Economic Security of the Deputy Prime Minister - Minister
      Interior A. Kulikova.
      - Since June 1997 - Advisor to First Deputy Prime Minister B. Nemtsov. For speaking to the media,
      regarded as “anti-government propaganda”, was fired the day before default
      17 August 1998 year.
      - From October 1998 to May 1999, Advisor to the First Deputy Prime Minister Yu. Maslyukov ... "
      Well and further in the article at: https: //cont.ws/post/270923 /
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  4. rocket757
    rocket757 23 January 2018 07: 47
    +9
    But who cares about it, do we need a foreign opinion about our elections ???? like a dog’s fifth leg !!!
    Yes, there’s a choice, no choice, but the GDP of the competitors is simply not real and that’s a fact !!! How it happened, why, it’s our business.
    I would be very interested in everything, the curious woman would pinch the door, according to the old Russian tradition, and all business!
    And the candidates, such as they are, all in a bunch of comrades - are friends, this is our business !!!
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 23 January 2018 09: 47
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      Yes, there’s a choice, no choice, but the GDP of the competitors is simply not real and that’s a fact !!!

      Clearing is cleansed expertly, you can’t argue!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 January 2018 12: 32
        +1
        The main Schaub electorate did not perceive stripping too harshly. They did it.
        Dissatisfied will be, well, without them, that's fine.
        This time we were correctly "calculated", prepared, so that the elections can be held on garlic !!! The result is predictable.
        I still hope to win brandy, I bet on the second \ third place !!! So I have some kind of interest in the elections this time. I’ll go and express my will, so to speak.
  5. Lev davigadov
    Lev davigadov 23 January 2018 07: 55
    +6
    I forgot about:
    withdrawal of dough from Russia,
    money back to the industry from the USA
    transfer of the Central Bank from the IMF to Russia.
    well many others
  6. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 23 January 2018 07: 58
    +8
    flag in his hands) after the "forgotten" billions over the hill, interest in him abruptly subsided)
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 January 2018 08: 31
      23
      Quote: K0
      flag in his hands) after the "forgotten" billions over the hill, interest in him abruptly subsided)

      What are you rushing about with these billions of rubles of Grudinin, as if they have some kind of criminal origin. You GDP, when he answered the question about the guilt-innocence of Serdyukov, not credibility? He said that the guilt, as well as the “trickery,” in Russia is determined by the court.

      And we cannot judge a person by articles and information from the media. Nor can we say why, since 2000, the number of billionaires in Forbes in Russia has increased from 61 (a total fortune of $ 245 billion) to 5 (a total fortune of about $ 96 billion).
      They began to talk about the decline in interest in Grudinin after raising his rating in an online election campaign. As well as about his "loneliness", about his lack of command ... belay It’s a pity that not all members of Putin’s team were known ...

      And everywhere, everything is right. And everything is true everywhere. Do you listen to Topilin, what is your opinion about this minister in the first minute? What did Minister Siluanov and the head of Sberbank Gref do at the Gaidar forum? Something they do not cast a shadow on Putin's reputation. We need a president in Russia, let him be like Fmdel Castro, like Eun, who does not look into the eyes of the American president and does not go anywhere under the white flag.
      There is no population growth in Russia ... belay This means only one thing - the demographic crisis. And the population of Moscow, the only Russian city, has grown one and a half times. At the expense of officials? Meat and other "kings"? Bolivar does not stand, while standing, but not on straight legs. And it turns out that the king and retinue are smart, only the subjects of the people went to them stupid and lazy. When he dies, he does not shout: "For the homeland! For Putin!" ; "Work United Russia Brothers!"; "If that ... Consider me a United Russia ..."
      Quote: K0
      Scam, smuggling and elementary speculation are the three components of Grudinin.

      Here is a list of those whose key to success is work, honor and valor:
      http://www.forbes.ru/rating/342579-200-bogateyshi
      h-biznesmenov-rossii-2017
      1. your1970
        your1970 23 January 2018 08: 48
        +7
        the question is not about the honesty of those who stand around GDP - the question is about the honesty of Grudinin ..
        We need a decent, honest, smart president, I hope everyone agrees with this.
        At the moment, the situation is as follows. From the choice - either he is an honest person or begins to lie / hide the truth - we see the second option. If now - even before the election - he begins to hide the truth - what will happen if he is elected? "You can’t be a little pregnant."

        "claw bogged down - the whole bird abyss!" © folk
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 23 January 2018 09: 08
          17
          Quote: your1970
          the question is not about the honesty of those who stand around GDP - the question of the honesty of Grudinin ..

          The question is about the socio-economic future of Russia. You don’t notice that this issue is carefully avoided, but you’re "PR on black." one, on the "white" of the other? Also note that there are no other candidates. This indirectly indicates that there is only one alternative development program for the country. The more people think that they are being fooled, the better. And the more they vote for Grudinin, the better. This may force Putin (I have no doubt that he will win) about the future, not 1%, but 99% of the people.
          Quote: Svarog
          utin is afraid of debate, he will be smeared at the debate .. And all his ratings will fly down ..

          Do not be naive. There will be no public debate about Putin.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 40
          15
          Quote: your1970
          If now - even before the election - he begins to hide the truth - what will happen if he is elected?
          What truth did he hide? About these mythical billions, everything has already been explained 10 times, and from the lips of Grudinin himself. What more do you need?
        3. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 January 2018 10: 46
          10
          Quote: your1970
          "You can’t be a little pregnant" ©. Will he abruptly become truthful and honest? Will he not be seduced by kickbacks, oligarchs / officials will not fool him?
          "claw bogged down - the whole bird abyss!" © folk

          Find out from Putin what he did in St. Petersburg at Sobchak. Directly ask the question directly, and then how he was "noticed and who" and invited the EBN administration, such an honest security officer with a cold mind, a warm heart and clean hands. In this Caudle, where everyone had one desire - to grab a piece of public pie in bold. Yes exactly. Not to save Russia from the Communists, but to privatize everything that the Communists and the non-party bloc worked during the Soviet era. As for the “slightly pregnant,” one cannot pretend to be a fighter for the happiness of the people and at the same time take care of the prosperity of not quite popular people “out of the cage”. You can’t boost the economy with the help of thieving and arrogant premieres, who in their life didn’t even manage a small candle factory. Just as you can’t change the rules for election to the presidency, because "you wanted to." To change something in the country, it is necessary to hold a referendum, and not to smack the gag. Yes... stop The results of the referendum - a guide to action. Both the HMS and EBN knew the will of the people about the fate of the USSR, if the latter put it on popular opinion, then the new president, who with clean hands, should not have praised the “mentor” in public when the citizens, witnesses of the EBN lawlessness were alive, as well as talking about the victories of his reign ...
          1. your1970
            your1970 23 January 2018 11: 33
            +2
            Quote: Esoteric
            As for the “slightly pregnant,” one cannot pretend to be a fighter for the happiness of the people and at the same time take care of the prosperity of not quite popular people “out of the cage”.
            - it is impossible for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation to "pretend to be a fighter for the happiness of the people and at the same time take care of the prosperity of not quite popular people" from the cage ". And before Grudinin in the Communist Party there were billionaires, and Grudinin is also not quite popular
            There would be real Communists — I would vote for them .. Only the current ones in expensive watches and costumes don’t pull on the title of “Communist”. And I do not want to vote for the liberal socialist Grudinin ...
        4. MrK
          MrK 23 January 2018 11: 34
          +9
          Quote: your1970
          We need a decent, honest, smart president, I hope everyone agrees with this.

          What is the dishonesty of Grudinin?
          1. your1970
            your1970 23 January 2018 18: 42
            +1
            in the false information of the CEC .... and it doesn’t matter at all - there was "10 billion" or "only 37 million" - there is a fact of concealment and it cannot be refuted anymore ...
            If he is not able to speak / write the truth in such a trifle, then I’m not sure that he will be truthful having received all of Russia

            Z.Y. however, one thing is enough for me - that the Communist Party nominated a billionaire. Stalin would have been alive - he would have personally killed both Zyuganov and Grudinin for shame in relation to the concept of "communism"
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 23 January 2018 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        What are you rushing about with these billions of rubles of Grudinin, as if they have some kind of criminal origin.

        Here you can see right away that you are not a Russian person. By and large, a Russian person does NOT care about the criminal origin of money from Grudinin or not, in other words, if he stole and did not get it, then well done. Another thing is worrying - that a citizen is lying, like a gray gelding, said that there is no money abroad, but it turns out there is money and it started here - then he forgot, then the bank opened his accounts without his knowledge, then he doesn’t have this unskilled bullshit on the operation forgive.
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        2. zyzx
          zyzx 23 January 2018 14: 32
          0
          Though the first honest person in politics show me, AT LEAST ONE! It is possible in the world.
          1. your1970
            your1970 23 January 2018 18: 43
            +1
            Quote: zyzx
            Though the first honest person in politics show me, AT LEAST ONE! It is possible in the world.
            - Hysteria on the fight against corruption is squealing to you right away: is Singapore ??? !!!!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 08: 40
      30
      Quote: K0
      flag in his hands) after the "forgotten" billions over the hill, interest in him abruptly subsided)

      Come on, interest subsided .. There’s a survey conducted by Solovyov, so he scored 45% .. Putin’s rating fell off .. and irrevocably, after the revelations of NEDimon, Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, which I must say, now joined the Kamaz board of directors. Putin-propagated corruption not seen before the village scales .. And you that honestly earned money do not want to show .. This is generally trifles, in comparison, what chaos Putin spread ....
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 23 January 2018 09: 26
        +5
        Quote: Svarog
        Putin’s rating fell ... and irrevocably, after the revelations of NEDimon, Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, which I must say now entered the KamAZ board of directors. Putin-propagated corruption not seen before the village scales .. And you that honestly earned money do not want to show .. This is generally trifles, in comparison, what chaos Putin spread ....

        did you sleep with GDP?) according to whose data and by how much?) they exposed everyone except the GDP itself) it remains to wait until the “darkest” one exposes)) with Grudinin, the cant is not that “honestly earned” (though earned not for agricultural activities on "kulubnik" © as we were told initially, but for the leased ... well oh well, x with this), but that "to forget"About billions for any person is as" real "as putting on pants while walking on the street.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 47
          12
          Quote: K0
          but the fact that "forgetting" about billions for any person is as "real" as putting on pants while walking on the street.

          These are the rules of the game and these rules were established by Putin. Over 10 years, $ 8 trillion has been withdrawn from the country. Our banks are not very trusted by people with money.
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 04
          +8
          Putin does not know what his salary is and how much money is on the book ... you, so as not to repeat:
    3. BecmepH
      BecmepH 23 January 2018 09: 20
      +2
      Quote: K0
      flag in his hands) after the "forgotten" billions over the hill, interest in him abruptly subsided)

      Yes, when the State Department praised ...
      I learned, if the SGA is praised, then this is our enemy
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 37
        13
        Quote: BecmepH
        Yes, when the State Department praised ...
        I learned, if the SGA is praised, then this is our enemy

        The SGA also learned this, and this is why they praise it. Thieves are more accustomed to control thieves. They are now earning very good money for us, and the Communists will come, incomes will stop.
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 23 January 2018 10: 31
          0
          Where do the communists get the money from?
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 23 January 2018 10: 34
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: BecmepH
          Yes, when the State Department praised ...
          I learned, if the SGA is praised, then this is our enemy
          The SGA also learned this, and this is why they praise it. Thieves are more accustomed to control thieves. They are now earning very good money for us, and the Communists will come, incomes will stop.

          Sorry, but something I did not understand your thought. BecmepH’s colleague said that the State Department praised Grudinin, referring to an article in the American magazine that Grudinin is a positive character and, if the SGA is praised, it’s bad for Russia. You confirmed this, noting that thieves are more familiar with managing. the State Department praises Grudinin in the media, which means he is a thief and it’s easy to manage. good As required.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 January 2018 11: 10
            11
            Quote: Captain45
            Sorry, but something I did not understand your thought. BecmepH’s colleague said that the State Department praised Grudinin, referring to an article in the American magazine that Grudinin is a positive character and, if the SGA is praised, it’s bad for Russia. You confirmed this, noting that thieves are more familiar with managing. the State Department praises Grudinin in the media, which means he is a thief and it’s easy to manage. Q.E.D.

            Try to pass the verbal test, they are on the Internet for free. Check for one of your ability to assimilate information) Thieves are now in power and it is beneficial to the SGA. What is not clear here? The game is like that. They know in America that our people do not like praise from them. So they’re drowning Grudinin with praises, playing along with the current government, because Putin’s power is convenient for them, despite all the foam on TV. You have to see the root. Where do we keep the money? In America. How many oligarchs take abroad? About $ 8 trillion, etc., and all this good will cease if the communists come to power. Now fershteyn?))
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 10
        12
        Quote: BecmepH
        I learned, if the SGA is praised, then this is our enemy

        I even saw a portrait on the cover of the American magazine TIME. How to evaluate it?
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 56
          0
          Quote: Esoteric
          I even saw a portrait on the cover of the American magazine TIME. How to evaluate it?

          There were many portraits of various politicians on the cover of The Half, and Hitler was there, both Stalin, and Churchill with M. Gandhi. And what follows from this? Are they all thieves or that Putin is not such a bad politician if he is in company with the above-mentioned characters world politics.
  7. Knowing
    Knowing 23 January 2018 08: 02
    +9
    Scam, smuggling and elementary speculation are the three components of Grudinin. hi
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 40
      17
      Quote: Knowing
      Scam, smuggling and elementary speculation
      They directly listed the main activities of Putin when he was working with Sobchak. lol
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 23 January 2018 10: 14
        +4
        :
        Quote: Greenwood
        Directly listed the main activities of Putin when he was working with Sobchak

        This "horse lioness" told you probably as well.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 43
          +5
          Oh no, what are you.
          Read the old article for 2000.
          https://www.novayagazeta.ru/articles/2000/03/23/9
          417-delo-putina
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 23 January 2018 08: 34
    +7
    Let this "comrade" tell the whole truth about his contributions and his dark past life. bully
    1. Lacoste
      Lacoste 23 January 2018 08: 47
      +7
      better let him tell how the state farm sold secretly, shameful komunyaka)
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 January 2018 08: 58
        29
        Quote: Lacoste
        better let him tell how the state farm sold secretly, shameful komunyaka)

        Better show in Russia at least one such state farm as that of Grudinin. Your thieves shamefully withdraw all money abroad, and you believe it .. Many of Putin’s friends are not even citizens of our country .. at the same time they receive contracts for the construction of bridges and other expensive facilities that grow in price ten times later.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 23 January 2018 09: 42
          +4
          Svarog Today, 08:58 ↑ ... It is better to show in Russia at least one such state farm as that of Grudinin.

          A window dressing made at an unknown price and what goals they pursued. Although you can guess a lot.
        2. marline
          marline 23 January 2018 09: 50
          +5
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: Lacoste
          better let him tell how the state farm sold secretly, shameful komunyaka)

          Better show in Russia at least one such state farm as that of Grudinin.

          To begin with, show at least one real state farm in Russia)))
        3. rocket757
          rocket757 23 January 2018 09: 59
          +4
          GPN is a compromise, meanwhile, what you want and what you have !!!
          Again, there is simply no other similar in this situation for comparison. With whom are we comparing. with GDP, pointless. Polls, ratings, everything is not very reliable. There will be elections, we will vote, then at least something will be seen.
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 23 January 2018 10: 34
            +3
            rocket757 You once had the choice of Yeltsin or Gorbachev. You have chosen 40 varieties of sausages.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 January 2018 12: 39
              +2
              Ha, ha, I didn’t hit!
              I voted for the USSR, I did not change the oath, for the tagged and for the wino NEVER !!!
              They threw us more than once! And now they will throw people like me ... but such is life and not everything depends on us.
              So sho drip valerian yourself and go into the fog. Not interesting.
        4. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 10: 07
          +8
          Quote: Svarog
          a state farm like that of Grudinin

          At Grudinia - CJSC them. Lennon.
          Which, to the ravens, is a “state farm”? belay
          Quote: Svarog
          Your thieves infamous all money withdraw abroad

          I don’t know what “withdraws” there, but that not all money is absolutely accurate.
          Lying is not good ... me so taught at least yes
        5. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 16
          +6
          Quote: Svarog
          Many of Putin’s friends are not even citizens of our country .. at the same time they receive contracts for the construction of bridges and other expensive facilities, which then grow in price ten times.

          And some, taking part in the famous war, become Heroes of Russia ... belay What did Stalin Vlasov not award the title of Hero of the Soviet Union? Or didn’t Hitler receive the Order of Merit for the Fatherland? request
          1. Freeman
            Freeman 23 January 2018 13: 50
            +2
            Esoteric Today, 11:16 AM
            What did Stalin Vlasov not award the title of Hero of the Soviet Union?

            Vlasov was the hero of the battle for Moscow, which does not detract from his subsequent eating. He was awarded the Order of Lenin and two Orders of the Red Banner. Deprived of state awards and titles by court verdict.
            1. zyzx
              zyzx 23 January 2018 14: 46
              +1
              Quote: Freeman
              Vlasov was the hero of the battle for Moscow

              A board must be hung on his house in Moscow. Vaughn Montipaiton was hanged in St. Petersburg. Moreover, the opening was personally a minister from the government that Putin appointed.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 23 January 2018 11: 45
        +9
        Quote: Lacoste
        better let him tell how the state farm sold secretly, shameful komunyaka)

        Where do you see the Communists, a miracle?)
        They even did not remain in the Communist Party, one sign. Zu and Co. settled comfortably behind the 55 volumes of V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin), who receive more than 2 billion a year per batch from the state pocket. Take a look at their deeds. A striking example of how they organized throughout (!) Russia, and not in Moscow alone, the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. All. There is no party of communists. The population has a request for a “left” movement, but there is no party. For a good example. Have you seen a chicken with a freshly chopped head? This is what reminds us of the throwing of the "left" (to whom I relate myself) in search of the "leading and directing".
        So, it is sad to admit, the dough system and the money leash have "tamed" the Communist Party since 1996. That's why Putin is as calm as ever. The field has been cleared.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 January 2018 12: 48
          +2
          Shaw is so nervous. Let's drink a little white comrade and we will build life in a new way!
          It will be on our Zarechenskaya holiday!
          Paying attention to every riffraff ... it's not worth it.
          All the same, the world will move towards a more progressive structure of society, and this is *******. !!! We know what it's called, and let the rest call it what they want, the essence of this does not change!
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 23 January 2018 23: 30
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            It will be on our Zarechenskaya holiday!
            Paying attention to every riffraff ... it's not worth it.

            Thank you for your support, comrade! drinks
        2. Lacoste
          Lacoste 23 January 2018 22: 15
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Quote: Lacoste
          better let him tell how the state farm sold secretly, shameful komunyaka)

          Where do you see the Communists, a miracle?)
          They even did not remain in the Communist Party, one sign. Zu and Co. settled comfortably behind the 55 volumes of V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin), who receive more than 2 billion a year per batch from the state pocket. Take a look at their deeds. A striking example of how they organized throughout (!) Russia, and not in Moscow alone, the celebration of the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. All. There is no party of communists. The population has a request for a “left” movement, but there is no party. For a good example. Have you seen a chicken with a freshly chopped head? This is what reminds us of the throwing of the "left" (to whom I relate myself) in search of the "leading and directing".
          So, it is sad to admit, the dough system and the money leash have "tamed" the Communist Party since 1996. That's why Putin is as calm as ever. The field has been cleared.

          It is good that komunyak soon will not remain at all) amen) Nicholas family approves)
          What is the difference from soviet communes, the tops that had everything, and people were hanging noodles about communism by the 80th year) well, how did you live under communism, how was it?) Ahah)
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 23 January 2018 23: 44
            +1
            Quote: Lacoste
            It is good that komunyak soon will not remain at all) amen) Nicholas family approves)

            And if you come back, you’re scumbagging like that “white bone” - will you call the “patriots” of the officer to former sworn enemies, the Germans or the new Entente in the form of NATO? NATO come! Put things in order !?)
  9. Moore
    Moore 23 January 2018 08: 36
    +7
    Like it or not, the voices that will go against Putin will infringe upon the very “nationwide” that gentlemen of the near-Kremlin propagandists like to point out.

    There is no other way to make it clear to those in power that the credit of public trust is not infinite, unfortunately, does not exist. And we vote against Putin mainly because he is not enough Putin.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 08: 59
      21
      Quote: Moore
      Like it or not, the voices that will go against Putin will infringe upon the very “nationwide” that gentlemen of the near-Kremlin propagandists like to point out.

      There is no other way to make it clear to those in power that the credit of public trust is not infinite, unfortunately, does not exist. And we vote against Putin mainly because he is not enough Putin.

      They vote against Putin because he does not fulfill his promises that he has usurped power, has spread incredible corruption ..
      1. Moore
        Moore 23 January 2018 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        They vote against Putin because he does not fulfill his promises that he has usurped power, has spread incredible corruption ..

        Well, who’s like that ... There was no type of corruption under Alkaligul and he kept his promises.
  10. askort154
    askort154 23 January 2018 08: 45
    +3
    Putin is a strong strategist. The outflow of votes stimulates him to correct errors. His main mistake is the composition of the "court suite." If he does not “fuck her”, there will be no breakthrough shifts in his new term. I guess he already understands this. Since historically, the retinue makes its kings, it will be difficult for him to refute this. Yeltsin, before the transfer of power, demanded that Putin give the officer’s word that he would not touch his Family. Putin keeps his word, "family" released to England. In Russia there was only one favorite of the "family" - Chubais. yes
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 23 January 2018 09: 03
      17
      They’re tired of waiting. Tired of living and waiting, the king will understand everything and change everything.
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 23 January 2018 09: 29
        +1
        Wait already tired

        so the king should not think about everyone, the king should think about the important
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 06
      21
      Quote: askort154
      Putin is a strong strategist.

      Can you give an example of his "successful strategy", which has brought obvious benefits to ordinary citizens of Russia?
      Quote: askort154
      His main mistake is the composition of the "court suite." If he does not “fuck her”, there will be no breakthrough shifts in his new term.

      He has not fucked anyone for 18 years and now this will not happen.
      Quote: askort154
      I guess he already understands this. Since historically, the retinue makes its kings, it will be difficult for him to refute this

      He understands everything. Just don't give a damn ..
      Quote: askort154
      . Yeltsin, before the transfer of power, demanded that Putin give the officer’s word that he would not touch his Family. Putin keeps his word, "family" released to England. In Russia there was only one favorite of the "family" - Chubais.

      Not only Chubais, Putin has already spawned his Chubais with her mother. Do not worry .. Here Serdyukov recently joined the Kamaz board of directors ..
      1. askort154
        askort154 23 January 2018 09: 38
        +5
        Svarog .... Perhaps the example of his "successful strategy", which has brought obvious benefits to ordinary citizens of Russia?
        Compare the standard of living in 1999. (if he was an adult) and now. Thinking narrowly.
        Putin is the creator, of whom there were not many in Russia, over the past century, only Stalin.
        Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin - destroyers.
        Brezhnev is a "stagnator".
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 57
          15
          Quote: askort154
          Compare the standard of living in 1999. (if he was an adult) and now. Thinking narrowly.

          Compare oil prices for the same period. Add to this general lending, which previously was not. That's the whole trick. So which of us thinks narrowly?) To think, you need to be able to analyze and compare.
          Quote: askort154
          Putin is the creator, of whom there were not many in Russia, over the past century, only Stalin.

          Well, he’s far from Stalin, even nothing to compare. What did he create? This is a big question. If we talk about construction projects, then he built a lot. But it was possible to build 10 times more at such oil prices. Why 10 times? Because so many times, objects become more expensive, after the initial estimate. The latest example is the Kerch bridge. Why are they getting so expensive? Because, all the objects (large) are built by the Rotenberg brothers, one of the brothers is a citizen of Finland. So, Stalin would have shot Putin, no need to compare. For 17 years, Stalin from the country destroyed by the war, made it the foremost power, a space power. What has Putin done in 17 years? The only thing that Crimea returned.
          1. askort154
            askort154 23 January 2018 10: 41
            +2
            Svarog .....And what did Putin do in 17 years? The only thing that Crimea returned.


            About how you are running. And about oil prices - a favorite hobby of liberals, but as life has shown, high oil prices only stagnate economic development. When in 2014, oil fell to 40 dl. and sanctions came, our economists stirred their brains, shifted their gaze (belated) to the industrial sector, which has not been done since the 80s. Just grumbled, "it's time to get off the pipe."
            The "pipe" is a brake on the economy. yes hi
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 23 January 2018 11: 14
              10
              Quote: askort154
              Svarog .....And what did Putin do in 17 years? The only thing that Crimea returned.


              About how you are running. And about oil prices - a favorite hobby of liberals, but as life has shown, high oil prices only stagnate economic development. When in 2014, oil fell to 40 dl. and sanctions came, our economists stirred their brains, shifted their gaze (belated) to the industrial sector, which has not been done since the 80s. Just grumbled, "it's time to get off the pipe."
              The "pipe" is a brake on the economy. yes hi

              Well, you give a pancake)) The brake of the economy ..
              Quote: askort154
              When in 2014, oil fell to 40 dl. and sanctions came, our economists stirred their brains,

              Surnames can your economists who stir their brains?
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 23 January 2018 13: 19
              +4
              Quote: askort154
              The "pipe" is a brake on the economy.

              Is everything normal with orientation in the political space?
              A pipe is bad if it is in the hands of "effective managers" whose policy is to ruin the remnants of domestic industry and buy everything from Western "partners" for petrodollars. So maybe not in the pipe, but in the "heads", eh?
              Who pulled Russia into the WTO "by the ears" on enslaving conditions, from which it is now impossible to get out without enormous losses? Stalin, Brezhnev, or maybe Gorbachev and Yeltsin?) But they, these conditions, are concluded on an unlimited basis, which means payment of penalties in case of failure to fulfill the terms of the contract to the “partners” is an eternity. To these damn "achievements" we were led by market "statesmen" ?!
              So what are you standing for? For the continuation of the enslaving conditions for the Russian Federation, "patriot" are you ours?
        2. Esoteric
          Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 22
          +8
          Quote: askort154
          Svarog .... Perhaps the example of his "successful strategy", which has brought obvious benefits to ordinary citizens of Russia?
          Compare the standard of living in 1999. (if he was an adult) and now. Thinking narrowly.
          Putin is the creator, of whom there were not many in Russia, over the past century, only Stalin.
          Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin - destroyers.
          Brezhnev is a "stagnator".

          Before slaughtering cattle, it also has to be fed for some time. We are already tired of collecting crumbs from the master's table. And where who led us and leads us - see:


          There, in your eyes, in front of your eyes, creation is possible. And in the outback, in the provinces, such hopelessness comes across. that only you wonder how it is: "In the courtyard of the XXI century, and we have one pair of boots" ...
        3. Sansculotte
          Sansculotte 23 January 2018 12: 51
          +2

          Dear your argument-level kindergarten
          We live in a historical period called "The Newest Time", it is always better to live in it in the future than in the past, and here the bill for decades
          This is not the Middle Ages where that the first half of the 13th century, that the second, everything is the same.

          There is not a single nation in the world who could not say that now it lives worse than in the 90s. We are all in one train called the world economy, he goes forward and everyone rides. Only Russia is in a trailed luggage carriage, and seeks there and to stay.
          1. zyzx
            zyzx 23 January 2018 14: 57
            +1
            Ukrainians can!
    3. KERMET
      KERMET 23 January 2018 09: 13
      +9
      Do you seriously believe that Yeltsin and his clan believed in the officer’s word? By the way, Putin also gave the Soviet oath
      1. askort154
        askort154 23 January 2018 09: 48
        +1
        KERMET..... Do you seriously believe that Yeltsin and his clan believed in the officer’s word? By the way, Putin also gave the Soviet oath.

        Putin had an appropriate reputation. Therefore, his candidacy was accepted. (Know the history of Russia, at least in recent decades).
        Putin took the oath to another state. And, by the way, he still does not violate it, like some. hi
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 23 January 2018 10: 07
        +2
        Nothing from the election can change. A leader, whatever he may be, is just part of an established system of power. The system will protect itself, and who decides to go against such a force ??? Mr. future president fits into it by definition, however, she chooses the identity ... so everywhere. There are bullies, such as the expression of the will of the people ... and that really changed, somewhere somewhere for a long time, I do not speak forever.
        There are several significant events in the history of mankind, but this is through the destruction of the system ... the process is not peaceful !!!
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 58
        +9
        Quote: KERMET
        Did Yeltsin and his clan believe in the officer’s word? By the way, Putin also gave the Soviet oath
        It is not even a matter of Putin’s officers and the Soviet oath. Putin was a loyal assistant to Sobchak, who eventually put in a good word for him in front of the Moscow authorities. And the oligarchic structures approved Putin's candidacy. Chubais approved of him. Hence Putin’s dizzying career.
    4. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 43
      14
      Quote: askort154
      The outflow of votes stimulates him to correct errors.
      What mistakes did he correct in the three terms of his presidency and being 4 years old as prime minister?
      Quote: askort154
      His main mistake is the composition of the "court suite." If he does not “fuck her”, there will be no breakthrough shifts in his new term.
      Almost his entire retinue has been working with him since the 90s and moved to Moscow from St. Petersburg.
      Quote: askort154
      Yeltsin, before the transfer of power, demanded that Putin give the officer’s word that he would not touch his Family. Putin keeps his word, "family" released to England. In Russia there was only one favorite of the "family" - Chubais.
      Wow how patriotic. You yourself are not funny? fool Credit the man as a cover for criminals.
      1. askort154
        askort154 23 January 2018 09: 57
        +2
        Greenwood .....Uh how patriotic. You yourself are not funny? Credit the man as a cover for criminals[i] [/ i]

        It will be ridiculous to me if you now name the name of your candidate, who would be more successful in ruling the country during this period and lead to prosperity. Surname - in the studio! stop
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 03
          +9
          Quote: askort154
          It will be ridiculous to me if you now name the name of your candidate, who would be more successful in ruling the country during this period and lead to prosperity.
          You know what's funny ?! Whatever name I’ll name now, be it Grudinin, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky, Boldyrev, or even Navalny with Sobchak, your answer will be universal: “they would not even stand close to the Sun and would have collapsed (pulled, drunk, passed on scrap metal - it must be emphasized) finally Russia for the sake of the State Department, the Jews and the Masonic Order. "
          A portfolio tugger is the best Russia has seen in its entire history. Where are the directors of state farms.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 16
        17

        this is the president’s rating.
  11. alexhol
    alexhol 23 January 2018 08: 58
    14
    We do not know the real rating, but judging by that. that Grudinin began to be "hushed up" in the media: he began to "indecent" grow. To date, I would not bet a ruble on the victory of Grudinin. Of course, miracles do not happen, but ... Lukashenko was able to win in 1994.
    1. askort154
      askort154 23 January 2018 10: 22
      +4
      alexhol .... The real rating is not known to us, but judging by that. that Grudinin began to be "hushed up" in the media: he began to "indecent" grow.

      You see so hi . But I see that Grudnin abruptly started in the media, willingly and briskly participated in the "political show", but as soon as his contributions were voiced over the hill, he was blown away sharply. At the very first meeting with reporters, he began to mumble not articulate about: “money for treatment”, “bank error” (he personally watched this story, even Zyuganov could not hide his irritation). Now it’s hard to lure him on a political show. His zhurnalyugi pluck like a chicken. Now Grudinin, not that Grudinin, he received an unexpected psychological blow. yes hi
  12. nemec55
    nemec55 23 January 2018 09: 01
    +8
    Grudinin, Grudinin No. in general, he sympathizes with me, but one thing but he’s the same years old already
    And the question is what are we waiting for? We are waiting for the time when the Brezhnevsky post began, when we did not have time to change the general secretaries, which ultimately led to Gorbachev (as young and strong) and the bald head drew a line under the collapse of the USSR
    I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime
    Who agrees thumbs up who do not write
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 09: 17
      16
      Quote: nemec55
      I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime

      And what can Grudinin do if President Putin stays? Do you think he will be allowed to unfold? And why do we need Putin that he did something good? 18 years old and the result is very weak.
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 23 January 2018 09: 26
        +2
        And what can Grudinin do if President Putin stays? Do you think he will be allowed to unfold? And why do we need Putin that he did something good? 18 years old and the result is very weak.

        Briefly since at work:
        You can’t quickly change power, as big changes will only affect ordinary citizens
        Grudinin will be engaged in domestic politics as a prime minister, and not how now the GDP changes gymnasiums at school desks, he repairs gyms (nonsense at the insanity level, they think it's cool in fact it’s a shame that without GDP, not one issue is solved in the country in the flesh before sowing grain idiocy)
        I won’t argue about what I did, but I know for sure that there is less bad and that I need to slowly move on (enough already)
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 48
        13
        Quote: Svarog
        And why do we need Putin that he did something good?
        Here, part of the people’s campaign is under the influence of all the PR actions that Putin’s image makers are happy with. Well there, diving after amphorae, flying with Siberian Cranes, diving into Lake Baikal, riding on Lada Kalina, riding a horse with a naked torso. Creates Putin's image of a tough guy who is afraid of the whole world. It is because of this steep image that many agree to endure it, although his entire team is entirely thieves and populists, and many people have been sitting since Yeltsin’s time.
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 January 2018 11: 43
          +2
          Quote: Greenwood
          many people generally sit since Yeltsin.
          -Except for Shoigu, not a single surname comes from Yeltsinsky in the Government and the Presidential Administration ...
          Do not tell? Or anyhow blurt out?
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            1. your1970
              your1970 23 January 2018 18: 49
              +1
              Quote: Sankyulot
              Chubais, Puten himself, Stepashin, Seagull
              -
              Chubais - has nothing to do with the government
              Stepashin - has nothing to do with the government
              Seagull - I agree, he was a minister under one and the other, and now in the government
              Total three ...
              Where else are "many people in general since Yeltsin have been sitting."?
      3. Freeman
        Freeman 23 January 2018 10: 00
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: nemec55
        I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime

        And what can Grudinin do if President Putin stays? Do you think he will be allowed to unfold?

        Post already, I repeat.
        That’s what’s going to be in Putin’s President-Grudinin-Prime. It will gobble up his "system."
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 23 January 2018 10: 14
          0
          laughing mazazavr laughing so let them eat then
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 06
          +5
          Again, the authors of the film lied, the Mosasaurs lived in the Late Cretaceous, and not in the Jurassic period.
      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 23 January 2018 10: 57
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        And what can Grudinin do if President Putin stays?

        And what will Grudinin do if he becomes president? Will paradise come? Will do everything that those who stand behind him order. By the way, who is behind him? It seems to me that they are by no means friends of Russia.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 08
          +9
          Quote: Orionvit
          It seems to me that they are by no means friends of Russia.
          Grudinin is nominated from the coalition of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and PDS NPSR. Which of them specifically is the "enemy" of Russia?
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 23 January 2018 11: 54
            +3
            Quote: Greenwood
            Grudinin is nominated from the coalition of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and PDS NPSR.

            Do you believe that?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 59
              +5
              Do you have your own version?
          2. marline
            marline 23 January 2018 11: 58
            +3
            Quote: Greenwood
            Grudinin is nominated from the coalition of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and PDS NPSR. Which of them specifically is the "enemy" of Russia?

            Grudinin candidate from the Communist Party. Communist Party for the people? How is the friend, comrade and teacher of Khodorkovsky an ardent communist and billionaire S. Muravlenko doing? I was very upset that I did not get into the State Duma at the last election? Do you know that one of the founders of Yabloko, the liberal Y. Boldyrev, was at one time a member of the interdeputy regional group, which was directly financed from American funds?
            Exactly ... "true patriots of Russia" go to power ...
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 23 January 2018 15: 06
          +6
          Quote: Orionvit
          By the way, who is behind him? It seems to me that they are by no means friends of Russia.

          And who do you think? Please hallucinate)) And when you get tired, just go to YouTube and ask your question. All the information is who, why and why. And moreover, there is a clear plan and ideology, and Putin does not even strain himself, everything suits him. However, like you.
    2. shura7782
      shura7782 23 January 2018 09: 31
      +4
      but one thing but him the same years old already
      At least one shot is enough and enough, and they will say to the next one: “You are not experienced, but the old president is already WELL!! It didn’t work out because time is short, but he knows everything. EXPERIENCED!” smile
      Putin President Grudinin Prime Perhaps it will be so. Lish would not be a dimon.
      "+"
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 00
        0
        No, such a scenario is not suitable for Western curators. They need to come in, no options.
        And Dimon is just right for them.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 09: 45
      +7
      Quote: nemec55
      but one thing but him the same years old already
      Younger than Putin.
      Quote: nemec55
      I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime
      I would completely abolish the post of president. Licked the American system in the 90s. Enough prime minister.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 01
        0
        It was already. From February 1917 to October of the same.
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 January 2018 11: 45
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          It was already. From February 1917 to October of the same.
          -and ended fun ...
          And now everyone will feel sick, the whole world will wash off with a blood ... God forbid !!!!
    4. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 45
      0
      Quote: nemec55
      I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime
      Who agrees thumbs up who do not write

      Medvedev and Putin are one team. Horses are not changed at the crossing, and in wartime.
  13. nemec55
    nemec55 23 January 2018 09: 14
    +7
    Quote: K0
    flag in his hands) after the "forgotten" billions over the hill, interest in him abruptly subsided)

    It's a pity when a person thinks not with his head but with the fact that he is fed
  14. onix757
    onix757 23 January 2018 09: 16
    +8
    I wonder how much the article cost to the Kremlin
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 05
      +1
      And how much sternum press conferences and articles cost - is it not interesting?
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: Mestny
        And how much sternum press conferences and articles cost - is it not interesting?

        Interesting!!! What time??
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 17: 15
      0
      Quote: onix757
      I wonder how much the article cost to the Kremlin

      Or maybe Zhirik ordered, did not think ?? He is definitely not a competitor to Putin.
  15. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 January 2018 09: 18
    +5
    At one time, he repeatedly voted for "second" on the list and "alternative" candidates. Zhirik, Zyuganov, etc. All betrayed, all merged, then their votes to the leader and taking their share of dividends, dumped in warm places. Theater is it. Props.
  16. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 January 2018 09: 24
    21
    I read and wonder! Although Putin himself answered the same question or claim to Grudinin for 18 years of rule? You have to be honest to the end! Defenders of Putin tell us what he did for the people? Housing and communal services, medicine, education, salary, insurance, cost of living, pensions, etc. 18 years in power, and what was not enough for him, what did he need another 6 years? Yes, the USA themselves are doing advertising to him! There will be no Putin, there will be no Nabiulina, Kudrin, Chubais, Medvedev, Serdyukov, and many others !!! And then who will finance the US and European economies?
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 23 January 2018 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: steel maker
      There will be no Putin, there will be no Nabiulina, Kudrin, Chubais, Medvedev, Serdyukov, and many others !!!


      "Blessed is he who believes!"

      Quote: steel maker
      And then who will finance the US and European economies?


      Grudinin and Co.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 23 January 2018 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: steel maker
      Defenders of Putin tell us what he did for the people?

      Is the memory short? Compare Russia 1999. and 2018 And there is no need to breed demagoguery.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 10
        +8
        Quote: Orionvit
        Compare Russia 1999. and 2018
        And also the prices for energy resources in the same years.
      2. Sansculotte
        Sansculotte 23 January 2018 12: 58
        +4
        Compare Russia of the 80s and 50s, compare Russia of the 50s and 30s
        Yes, my dear friend, in the period called "The Newest Time" in the future is always better than in the past. Oh how, thanks to Puten for this

  17. BAI
    BAI 23 January 2018 09: 26
    15
    Fussing around Grudinin very much resembles O'Henry's story about how one comrade (narration is conducted in the first person) decided to participate in the elections. Prior to this decision, he was a crystal clear person. How the election campaign began - was accused of all mortal sins. For 100 years, nothing has changed.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 23 January 2018 10: 01
      +3
      Grudinin.
      Quote: BAI
      The fuss around Grudinin very much resembles the story of O'Henry

      And I always thought it was Mark Twain! belay
      Quote: nemec55
      I am for this option Putin-President Grudinin-Prime

      In order for Grudinin to become prime minister, he needs to get a little less than Putin, therefore, for the slogan "Putin-President Grudinin-Premier" to come true, he must vote en masse for Grudinin.
      Quote: Esoteric
      Here is a list of those whose key to success is work, honor and valor:
      http://www.forbes.ru/rating/342579-200-bogateyshi
      h-biznesmenov-rossii-2017

      The link does not work ... sad
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 23 January 2018 11: 14
        +1
        Anti-Anglosax Today, 10:01
        The link does not work ...

        Everything is working. When you copy to the address bar, remove the space. Right here bogateyshi h.
        The "bug" of the site. With other links like - there should not be spaces between characters in the address.
        hi
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        And I always thought it was Mark Twain!


        We have the same:
        A few months ago, I was nominated as an independent candidate for governor of the great state of New York. The two main parties nominated Mr. John T. Smith and Mr. Blank J. Blanck, but I realized that I have an important advantage over these gentlemen, namely, a spotless reputation. One had only to look through the newspapers to make sure that if they were ever decent
        people, these times are long gone. It was quite obvious that in recent years they were mired in all kinds of vices. I reveled in my superiority over them and rejoiced deep down, but a certain thought, like a muddy stream, overshadowed the serene smoothness of my happiness: after all, my name will be on everyone’s lips with the names of these scoundrels!

        More details: http://www.odintsovo.info/white/blog.asp?id=194
  18. Labor
    Labor 23 January 2018 09: 26
    0
    Everything has long been divided and sawn. Why do we need a new redistribution?
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 23 January 2018 10: 04
      10
      Quote: Labor
      Everything has long been divided and sawn. Why do we need a new redistribution?

      To finance not a bunch of thieves from the authorities and their Western masters, but our beloved country and its population! And no redistribution is needed, but just a fair distribution.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 23 January 2018 10: 41
      +1
      So that all who did not have time to get to the trough before they get now.
    3. Esoteric
      Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: Labor
      Everything has long been divided and sawn. Why do we need a new redistribution?

      No. This is not a redistribution. stop This is to tear an adult chick from the udder ... The state is not a cash cow!
  19. Wolverine
    Wolverine 23 January 2018 09: 58
    +9
    Quote: There was a mammoth
    The more people think that they are being fooled, the better. And the more they vote for Grudinin, the better. This may force Putin (I have no doubt that he will win) about the future, not 1%, but 99% of the people.


    Here I agree, if as predicted by Grudinin, he will select 25-30 percent of the vote, then this will make Putin think about the direction for further action.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 18
      11
      even for the sake of it it is worth voting for him.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 23 January 2018 11: 45
        +6
        Quote: Overlock
        even for the sake of it it is worth voting for him.


        I assume that without a second round of voting will not do. Even judging by the ratings from Rosstat ... lol
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 23 January 2018 11: 48
          +5
          I doubt the second round, but not against, but very much “For.” If a mass of people comes and GDP does not reach 50%, then it is possible. This was the case under EBN, but the authorities did everything to prevent this from happening again.
        2. Petr1968
          Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 42
          0
          Quote: Esoteric
          I assume that without a second round of voting will not do. Even judging by the ratings from Rosstat ... lol

          Why such a waste of money on re-election of Putin? Nowhere else to go? Why it is impossible to conduct a survey simply and all, without these choices, who needs them ??? People ALREADY made their choice !!!!
  20. tchoni
    tchoni 23 January 2018 09: 59
    +2
    Right is the European Swiss. In the end, it is very difficult nowadays to seriously take a candidate with the program of nationalization of banks of parachute newspaper plants. Candit "against all" was removed, and the index of real dissatisfaction with the electorate should be monitored. So they came up with this I.O. candidate against all.
  21. Overlock
    Overlock 23 January 2018 10: 13
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    Putin is afraid of debate

    there you can’t rub your brains; you need a texture. And how without paper?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 10
      +1
      This is a minor Internet fighters for the truth need texture. And the President needs to govern the country.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 23 January 2018 11: 33
        +5
        Oh well. Why then the election? Once and for centuries! Manage the king-father! But no! Elections are a democratic procedure and debate is part of it!
        Choose: either we have a "democracy" or a monarchy!
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 08
        +8
        Quote: Mestny
        And the President needs to govern the country.
        Well, yes, it is. He doesn’t control someone’s current. More and more amphora, Siberian Cranes, fighters, Lada Kalina ...
  22. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 23 January 2018 10: 16
    +1
    At the moment, the situation has developed in such a way that Putin will be fine. Turnout will increase, excellent, the election will formally be legitimate. Turnout will not increase as well, voices will remain under Putin. Here everyone must act according to conscience. My family and I are not going to the polls. And you make the choice yourself.
  23. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 10: 23
    +7
    Quote: vladimirZ
    We’ll elect Pavel Grudinin to take the course of building a socially just state for the whole people. The support of the Communist Party Grudinin, the Left Front, and the whole working people, the ideology of the socialist structure of the state.

    In a capitalist country, only a capitalist president can be obtained through elections. All the other stories about building socialism are idle chatter, cheap populism.
    Socialism (read the USSR) can be built again only with the help of regular revolutions.
    In this case, like last time, the desire of the "revolutionaries" and the "Western partners" coincide - at any cost to weaken Russia, or ideally to finish it off.
    Only this time, if such a revolution happened, none of the “partners” would wait until we build a new socialist society here.
    The Communist Party, and "all working people" had a chance in 1996. Then they also remembered the USSR, and managed to grab the market.
    And Zyuganov had a percentage in the election. But - stepped aside.
    The current "left forces", as well as the liberals of the Yeltsin spill, had a chance to build a decent future for the country.
    Both those and others stupidly poured it into the toilet.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 09
      +7
      Quote: Mestny
      And Zyuganov had a percentage in the election. But - stepped aside.
      Did not have. Read the election results. Zyuganov was not much behind Yeltsin, but the outcome was predetermined by Lebed, who gave his votes to Yeltsin.
    2. dSK
      dSK 23 January 2018 16: 28
      +2
      Hello Sergey!
      Quote: Mestny
      Socialism (read USSR) can be built again only with the help of next revolutions.
      Wise Chinese are trying to do without it. Half the way they have already passed. hi
  24. TOPchymBA
    TOPchymBA 23 January 2018 10: 23
    +1
    It is a pity for people who believe that from whom they choose something to change for the welfare of the people.
    Unfortunately, the new Bolsheviks cannot peacefully come to power, and there are no such disinterested leaders as Lenin at the present moment on the political horizon. Therefore, dream that Grudinin, Zhirinovsky, Navalny, etc. will come. etc. and universal justice and equality will come, and we will live in abundance and happily can only be very naive.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 23 January 2018 11: 07
      +5
      TOPchymBA Today, 10:23
      It is a pity for people who believe that from whom they choose something to change for the welfare of the people.

      We will all die, yes ?!
      1. TOPchymBA
        TOPchymBA 23 January 2018 11: 42
        +2
        No, I will not die. But a good uncle who will take care of us contrary to personal interests should not be expected. We will be used for its intended purpose with an intensity that depends on the moral and mental qualities of the head of state.
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 23 January 2018 12: 27
          +4
          Quote: TOPchymBA
          No, I will not die. But you should not expect a good uncle who will take care of us contrary to personal interests. We will be used for its intended purpose with an intensity depending on the moral and mental qualities of the head of state.

          Here are the golden words! What to expect from the current chapter we already know. Why not try another?
          1. TOPchymBA
            TOPchymBA 23 January 2018 12: 35
            +2
            The other is more likely to be a freak like Yeltsin, etc. etc.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 10
      +8
      Such messages, like yours, are drawn by such depression and hopelessness that only two options remain: to shoot yourself or to blame for a hill.
      1. TOPchymBA
        TOPchymBA 23 January 2018 12: 25
        0
        Everyone sees the extent of their licentiousness.
        One must try to soberly evaluate objective reality, and not rely on a wizard in a blue helicopter.
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 23 January 2018 10: 27
    10
    Most of all in this article, I am glad you are all. You are the ones who leave comments. I’m glad that there’s no scolding of swearing disputes with foam at the mouth. It says one thing that there’s no stupid one and that everyone wants the best, but not at the expense of promises and sacrifices in the form of 90s and the like again
  26. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 10: 34
    +3
    Quote: Greenwood
    About his successfully operating enterprise, where good salaries and pensions are paid, all social obligations are fulfilled, where pensioners are given free products for the winter, you probably have not heard.

    We heard, but how. Moreover, from the lips of the owner of this enterprise.
    It turns out that most of the infrastructure, and in general the dairy river in the banks of honey, was built by selling expensive land near Moscow.
    Exactly the same thing, Mr. Comrade. Grudinin offers to do for the whole of Russia.
    However, where to take all of Moscow’s land for sale in the whole of Moscow Region, it doesn’t specify.
    And of course, the construction of a kindergarten in the style of a Disney castle quite clearly characterizes this citizen. It's like roughly batiste footcloths with a cream of margot.
    In short, the conclusion is a PR project of some political forces, based on the nostalgia of citizens for a socialist freebie, designed to replace the ultimately liberal ultra-liberal with its friendship with the West in a hickey.
    The main thing for the creators of such a project is at least a bald one, but only to remove Putin.
  27. Dzungar
    Dzungar 23 January 2018 10: 35
    +2
    Wikipedia says the following - Pavel Nikolayevich Grudinin was born on October 20, 1960 in Moscow. A year later, his parents, who had an agricultural education, moved to the Leninsky district of the Moscow region. Grandfather and grandmother come from the Vologda region. By nationality, according to his own statement - "Russian, but not quite: mother - Pishchik Serafima Zinovievna, grandfather Zinovy ​​by nationality - Jew" ..... More questions ...?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 11: 13
      11
      Quote: Dzungar
      according to his own statement - "Russian, but not quite: mother - Pischik Serafima Zinovievna, grandfather Zinovy ​​by nationality - Jew"
      Umm, and what confuses you with this sentence? There are 180 nationalities in Russia, all mixed up with each other. What is the problem?
  28. dog breeder
    dog breeder 23 January 2018 10: 40
    +4
    I read all the comments, informative!
    Let's take an excursion into the past, only on an example clear to everyone. Imagine you are forty years old, life is in full swing! Wife is still beautiful! Yes, and you love her not for beauty, but for her mind, wisdom and reliability. Children are smart, beautiful, with a great perspective! And you have a manor! In a picturesque place, there is even a garden, a small garden, for the soul and for needs! The garage is not empty! Together with friends, according to your project, having invested in blood and taking a loan from the bank, they created an enterprise. Which, in general, was successful and brought each of you a good income, according to the contribution and work you performed. Friends at each feast, with songs, jokes, with joy! Live, work, enjoy! Handsomely?
    And then trouble! An envious neighbor, from the other side of the joint lake, sang a bunch of nasty things to your friends, persuaded other neighbors, promised someone, intimidated someone.
    Once, while you were at work, and a wife with children shopping, preparing children for schools, a terrible fire happened! The whole estate burned down, the garden and the garden garden caused such damage that in winter there was nothing to collect! You, upon arrival home, without thinking, called your wife and told everything! Wife in shock sat behind the wheel and rushed home! On the way, having lost control, she had an accident in which she died, together with her family ...
    While you experienced the pain of losses, the enterprise crumbled, friends, taking their shares and grabbing what they thought belonged to them, scattered like cockroaches ... Someone. at the meeting, he pretended not to notice you, but someone pretended not to know you. By the way, they did not live very well among themselves.
    The neighbors began to give you different ways. And then the bank began to demand from you completely the whole loan with all interest. Former friends refused to help you in a showdown with the bank, arguing that the company that fed everyone well is your project! "Here you go!" You lost everything at once! Respect for neighbors, corrupt friends ... From the enterprise, except for signs, horns and hooves. True, there is still the land on which your estate once stood. But in order to at least somehow begin to exist, one needs to exert so much that perhaps the body can’t stand it ...
    That's what Russia got Putin at the beginning of his reign.
    And now we even learned to fight terrorism!
    ,
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 39
      +5
      Quote: dog breeder
      That's what Russia got Putin at the beginning of his reign.

      Not really ... you found a vein of gold ... enriched yourself, friends, wives, and so on ... and people look and talk .. lived .. it's .. as if common ... and to them in response "Chur you .. you don’t see, I’m protecting you from the Basurmans, otherwise Khan to you all, go work and don’t bother with such stupid things and go on eating caviar) Maybe that's it?
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 23 January 2018 15: 35
        +4
        Maybe I don’t know. I wrote something that everyone knows, but few people talk about it. But about the vein - more fantasies based on "investigations" of some "fighters" for justice. You would be an example, albeit poor, but with figures confirmed by a publicly available, respected source, eh?
    2. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 12: 40
      +6
      I didn’t master it ... there are a lot of letters about anything ... I would write it easier, sun-faced, as a king!
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 23 January 2018 15: 28
        +5
        Why then write your comment? Not laziness?
        1. Vasya Vassin
          Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 15: 39
          +4
          I briefly formulated your clever idea, which spread on paper ...
          1. dog breeder
            dog breeder 23 January 2018 16: 47
            +2
            Wow! Respect! True, there is a wiser idea, about the devil, who is in the details.
            1. Vasya Vassin
              Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 17: 06
              +3
              You flatter yourself.
              1. dog breeder
                dog breeder 23 January 2018 18: 11
                +2
                Well, based on the foregoing, and you are not without sin.
                1. Vasya Vassin
                  Vasya Vassin 23 January 2018 18: 14
                  +1
                  I soberly evaluate my capabilities
  29. Orionvit
    Orionvit 23 January 2018 10: 51
    +2
    With such a vivid candidate who dared to “directly criticize Putin”
    Oh, I’m begging you, in the “bloody mordor” who did not criticize Putin. It's me to the "lack of democracy" in Russia, as all liberal creeps shout about it.
  30. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 10: 57
    +3
    Quote: your1970
    What are you rushing about with these billions of rubles of Grudinin, as if they have some kind of criminal origin. You GDP, when he answered the question about the guilt-innocence of Serdyukov, not credibility? He said that the guilt, as well as the “trickery,” in Russia is determined by the court.

    And no one blames him. They only offer to make a choice - if you are against Putin’s “liberal”, then you yourself must correspond, so that not a shadow of doubt.
    And so - why not have him these billions. Well earned "honestly" in the nineties. We all know how it was possible to earn honestly during these years.
    The main thing for socialism is not to sing. Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 23 January 2018 11: 26
      +4
      Mestny Today, 10:57
      The main thing for socialism is not to sing. Or take off the cross, or put on your underpants.

      We are all used to thinking that the USSR is the only model of socialism. And there is also Swedish.
      But there is a Chinese one in which (oh horror!), Under the leadership of the Communist Party, 4 million dollar millionaires have been "raised."
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 23 January 2018 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Freeman
        We are all used to thinking that the USSR is the only model of socialism. And there is also Swedish.

        And what in Sweden is already public ownership of the means of production and the resulting surplus value distributed by the state what You do not confuse the social structure of the state and its social orientation. In Sweden, capitalism, but thanks to the tax system, redistributes the profit received in order to provide approximately the same amount to other social groups in society to repay social protest. The class of owners provides for itself through ownership of the means of production, financial and commercial capital.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 11
      +5
      Quote: Mestny
      And so - why not have him these billions.
      What kind of billions are I talking about, I don’t understand?
  31. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 08
    +3
    Quote: steel maker
    There will be no Putin, there will be no Nabiulina, Kudrin, Chubais, Medvedev, Serdyukov, and many others !!! And then who will finance the US and European economies?

    I’ll tell you a terrible secret - there will not be these, there will be others, maybe even led by Grudinin.
    And they will do exactly the same thing, this is at best. And then they will exceed the norm.
    Global capitalism is such an insidious one.
  32. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: mrark
    I don’t understand something: why do we live worse and worse? It seems that we have everything: oil, gas and Putin did well. And it feels like the more Putin done, the worse we live.

    The war is already on, wake up. And Putin is so well done that we live despite this.
    But for lovers of new iPhone it’s hard to understand - just give them now, so that it’s like in the west.
    Oil and gas - we have everything.
    "With Us" ended in 1991. Now is the year 2018.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 12: 13
      +4
      Quote: Mestny
      War is already on
      With whom or with what? With common sense?
      Quote: Mestny
      But for lovers of new iPhone it’s hard to understand - just give them now, so that it’s like in the west.
      And what? 18 years and high oil prices is not enough for that?
    2. Sansculotte
      Sansculotte 23 January 2018 12: 54
      +3
      Are you writing from a trench?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 35
        +2
        Heroically defends the Russian woman from the advancing imperialist hordes of European gays, human rights activists and democratic journalists. laughing
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 15: 15
      +5
      Quote: Mestny
      But for lovers of new iPhone it’s hard to understand - just give them now, so that it’s like in the west.

      Are you talking about Dimon? Koresh Putin?
  33. Mestny
    Mestny 23 January 2018 11: 25
    +1
    Quote: Antianglosaks
    To finance not a bunch of thieves from the authorities and their Western masters, but our beloved country and its population! And no redistribution is needed, but just a fair distribution.

    Even if one agrees with such adolescent categoricality, another bunch of thieves and Western masters will appear, only hungry. This applies to those who are now in power, and those who break through there, for example, Grudinin.
    And this ... Nobody will “fairly distribute” anything to you under capitalism. You need it only to enrich these very capitalists. And if you don’t need them, goodbye, the sheriff’s Indians don’t care.

    Previously, you had to think when the USSR was.
    And now as it is.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 23 January 2018 11: 59
      +6
      Quote: Mestny
      Even if one agrees with such adolescent categoricality, another bunch of thieves and Western masters will appear, only hungry. This applies to those who are now in power, and those who break through there, for example, Grudinin.

      And so that this does not happen, it is necessary to approve the sane national Constitution and be secured by the correct laws. Creating a system where theft and betrayal is not respected is not so difficult if desired. I agree, of course it looks utopian, but striving for this is possible and necessary, and better through reforms, otherwise 1917 version 2.0. will inevitably come!
    2. dSK
      dSK 23 January 2018 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Mestny
      Sheriff Indians do not care. Previously, you had to think when the USSR was. And now as it is.
      At a sharp turn you can fly into the ditch. hi
  34. Petr1968
    Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 35
    +3
    Grudinin’s task is to increase turnout in the elections and their “legitimacy” by attracting votes of “politically and economically dissatisfied”. Increased turnout will play into the hands of the Kremlin.

    This is nonsense ... Since when did Putin's re-election require increased legitimacy ??? At least once they were on the verge of legitimacy ?? Take out of the cabinet Zyuganov and Yavlinsky and forth ...
    In short, I drove the black PR ... All r ... except for the Chief))) Although I follow the Chief with all my hands, I hope that we will follow the Asian path - a lifelong rule with the transfer of power by inheritance.
  35. Labor
    Labor 23 January 2018 12: 38
    +1
    Quote: steel maker
    There will be no Putin, there will be no Nabiulina, Kudrin, Chubais, Medvedev, Serdyukov, and many others !!! And then who will finance the US and European economies?

    Chubais lived, Chubais is alive, Chubais will live!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 January 2018 18: 45
      +2
      Quote: Labor
      Chubais lived, Chubais is alive, Chubais will live!

      in the memory of the people wink
      tenacious ha ...... d
  36. Sansculotte
    Sansculotte 23 January 2018 12: 43
    +6
    Putin needs a turnout for one. Macron and Merkel are already disdain to sit with Vova, France’s voters are for Macron, Merkel is for the party, and who is Putin and officials and Caucasian bandits?
    Merkelikha and Macron have the civilizational advantage of a developed European man over a savage, a leader of a tribe. Petun doesn’t like it. Well, you can draw a turnout, why it is not clear to attract someone, anyway Vova will draw him 70% and draw turnout 70%, Oh What are you all about?
  37. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 23 January 2018 12: 43
    +9
    Such stuffing for the removal of eyes. So that people do not sniff that Grudinin is a new Western project to replace Navalny, to scoop up a bunch of all those who are dissatisfied, plus those who, without thinking and out of habit, vote for the Communist Party. Why should the Kremlin consolidate the dissatisfied? So far I have not seen a single worthy logical explanation for the fact that Grudinin is a Kremlin project. Perhaps the Kremlin pumped Grudinin with currency through the core accounts in foreign banks. Probably with ruble operations everything is complicated ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 37
      +4
      Make up a more interesting story, I'm bored.
  38. HMR333
    HMR333 23 January 2018 12: 52
    +1
    they are dumbheads scumbags shouting that Putin has such a gap and support that hell who will win against him is even close! and they themselves yell that these pier collect the voices of the dissatisfied and merge And why if he has a margin of 80-90%! that is, a dumb PR for the president’s brush and on the face that the author is a cheap balabol of easy virtue!
  39. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 13: 02
    +7
    [quote = There was a Mammoth] the more they vote for Grudinin, the better. It can make Putin (I have no doubt that he will win) about the future, not 1%, but 99% of the people [/ quote]
    A frankly idiotic myth is circulated among the patriotic public that by voting for Grudinin the authorities will judge how much Putin needs to “field” during the fourth term. The patriotic public is offered something like this pseudology: if enough voters show Putin their dissatisfaction with the government and the economic course by voting for Grudinin, then Putin will feel a “popular demand” and quickly dismiss Medvedev, put Nabiullina in prison, and in general in our country there will be a complete Boldyrev-Grudinin and almost the USSR 2.0.
    This is a strange view of things that is peculiar only to political infantiles. The more active the voting for Grudinin will be, the more “right” will be the policy of Putin’s next term. The reason is simple: due to the pseudo-patriotic infantiles who believed in Grudinin to leave the “Putin majority”, it (the “Putin majority”) will seriously “grow stronger”, and Putin, like any normal politician, first of all promotes his interests (once again his own!) , not strangers.

    Grudinin’s supporters and voters - these are essentially older (but not wiser) “Navalny’s schoolchildren” - and the government will work with them accordingly: to divert, crush, redirect energy (although what kind of energy the infantiles have) to a safe channel for themselves. It will turn out with a bang, because voters who are ready to believe the offshore collective farmer are clearly not smarter than the "Navalny schoolchildren", despite the fact that with the right influence, schoolchildren can still grow people who are useful to society and the state, but believers in charity are "strawberries with a mustache" the productive potential is not impressive to say the least.

    March elections are gradually turning into a kind of universal USE on logic and common sense for the whole country. It is very good

    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 23 January 2018 22: 06
      +1
      Conclusion? So that Putin does not "get better", you need to vote for him. Or, at least not go to the polls. The question is, where else should Putin "rule"? Well, a little bit "pile" a little. Where without manure about the "collective farmer"? wink
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 22: 12
        +5
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Conclusion?

        It is already made in the passage I quoted.
        Hopes for a "sharp logging" as a result of the vote "we will put the collegiate" for candidate G. (well, just for lack of a better one) ... are silly.

        Your speculations about "what needs to be done so that Putin ..." are exclusively yours.
        In general, all these tweaks and jumps around where the "left" came from (that's really true ... completely left) Didat's horse amuse me wildly personally. Well, the people just broke the chain - "we want everything at once, and we can without bread."
        In order to fulfill at least a tenth of these Wishlist, candidate G. needs the Golden Fish, the Magic Wand, the heels of Hottabychoy and a couple of hundred thousand self-assembled tablecloths. For some reason, I doubt that the candidate has all this ... in stock.
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        The question is, where else should Putin "rule"?

        Yes anywhere laughing
  40. Sansculotte
    Sansculotte 23 January 2018 13: 10
    +6
    Just in advance
    When Grudinin declares that he recognizes the Russian republics of Donbass-the DPR and LPR, the patriots of the Russian Federation will immediately change their ways in the clue on the fly and begin to explain why this is wrong and generally harmful))
    Remember this tweet (c)
  41. zyzx
    zyzx 23 January 2018 13: 25
    +4
    Quote: Genry
    Something you forgot about the self-ignition of a woman from whom Grudinin took away the apartment ...

    And Grudinin stole a party member !!!!!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 39
      +4
      Damn, how will the party now be without a member?!?!?! belay
  42. Nix1986
    Nix1986 23 January 2018 13: 26
    +5
    Whether this is so or not, we may never know if these are too behind-the-scenes games. But one thing is for sure, that after 2014, many fell asleep from the eyes of the petrodolars and saw an empty hut, this is nowhere to be gained.
  43. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 23 January 2018 14: 12
    +3
    Grudinin ... not Grudinin ... but I'm waiting for everything ... when will Putin come out with his program ... will at least present the contours of his future team ... he’s a candidate ... doesn’t he ... anyway? or nothing to say ... business? so there are both beautiful ... and failures ... yes ... zero ones are good ... but then where do we go ... what are we building ... are there any goals? or will we continue to work for stable macroeconomic indicators? Which bring stability to someone ... and to someone and non-childish profit.
    1. dSK
      dSK 23 January 2018 16: 46
      0
      Hello, Alexander!
      Quote: Alexander S.
      but I’m still waiting .. when Putin will come out with his program.
      You will receive an answer on February 6.
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 January 2018 17: 41
      +3
      Quote: Alexander S.
      but I’m still waiting ... when Putin will come out with his program ... at least present the contours of his future team ... he’s also a candidate ... doesn’t he ... all the same? or nothing to say ... business? so there are both beautiful ... and disastrous ... yes ... zero ones are good ... but then where do we go

    3. Svarog
      Svarog 23 January 2018 19: 21
      +3
      Yes, he doesn’t soar, about the program, he was lazy terribly, even the next balabstva does not want to voice ..
      Quote: Alexander S.
      Grudinin ... not Grudinin ... but I'm waiting for everything ... when will Putin come out with his program ... will at least present the contours of his future team ... he’s a candidate ... doesn’t he ... anyway? or nothing to say ... business? so there are both beautiful ... and failures ... yes ... zero ones are good ... but then where do we go ... what are we building ... are there any goals? or will we continue to work for stable macroeconomic indicators? Which bring stability to someone ... and to someone and non-childish profit.
  44. zyzx
    zyzx 23 January 2018 14: 24
    +6
    Quote: Vladimirsky
    with its supertaxes for the rich (will lead to a crazy withdrawal of money abroad)

    And now this is not your way?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 January 2018 20: 55
      +1
      This dude wants to cut off foreign investment in the Russian economy and get out of the WTO - a very wise decision, only pushing goods abroad will be more difficult, since the WTO countries will introduce draconian duties on all our goods, and the domestic market without investment will generally develop, so how your money is not enough for it, but with complicated foreign trade it will not be enough. - The entire program of the Communist Party is a muddy phantasmagoria, designed for suckers.
  45. zyzx
    zyzx 23 January 2018 15: 07
    +3
    Quote: dog breeder
    And now we even learned to fight terrorism!

    What else? We kill terrorists well, but build.
  46. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 23 January 2018 17: 40
    +2
    SPACE,
    Break through Dzhankoy
  47. Dedall
    Dedall 23 January 2018 22: 19
    +1
    Explain to me, to a village such, what is the significance of this “appearance”? This is to say that according to the current amendments to the Constitution, only such elections will be illegal, where two voters will participate and each of them will vote for different candidates. And if there are three voters and two vote for one, then such elections will be recognized as legitimate.
    And even earlier there was a point “for no one”, but now this is not and therefore I suggest that everyone who does not agree with the applicants draw a fig on the ballots. The only question is whether they recognize such a voter?
  48. ustinov.yuri
    ustinov.yuri 23 January 2018 22: 38
    +3
    “State farm named after Lenin” is simply the name of a closed joint-stock company that has nothing to do with state farms and Lenin, like Rosgosstrakh or Sberbank. Initially, there were about four hundred founders, now less than forty. One land share is estimated at about 120 million rubles. So, now there are about 400 ruble millionaires. They are not here. There is Grudinin. Conclusion?
  49. Petr1968
    Petr1968 24 January 2018 10: 36
    0
    Quote: passing
    If the whole country is opposing someone, then why are they getting rich? Looks like they do not participate in these showdowns

    Of course, they do not participate, and what- are they the people? I don’t participate either, though not an oligarch ... alas, I’m not a jingoist and I’m not fighting NATO ..
  50. Petr1968
    Petr1968 24 January 2018 10: 38
    0
    Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
    Give an example, who is trying to destroy us?

    NATO + envious and enemies, the same Ukraine.