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Do not boast about going to the army, boast about going before the rati



Your works are amazing, my God! The US Armed Forces do not have enough money even after the new militarist president, Donald Trump, approved the country's defense budget at a rate slightly below 700 billion (!) Dollars (in 2016, the defense budget was 534 billion. In 2017- m - 580 - 602 billion.). To better understand this figure, it is worth remembering that similar expenses of two countries officially declared by the enemies of the United States last year were defense expenditures of 69 billion dollars (Russia) and 146 billion dollars (China). And the Yankee money is still not enough. Although they did not have the Russian failure of the end of the 80's and 90's. As there was no Chinese "stagnation" - at the end of 70-s, China had an atomic bomb and machine gunners on horses in gas masks. So the defense industry of Russia and the PRC in the 21 century comes out of stagnation and makes up for lost time, and the United States has been spending $ 10 billion on defense for the US on 500-600.

And it would be okay for some super-expensive projects like space squadrons to fight the "green men." No, they spend on toys like new destroyers with railguns on board like the Zamvolt. No, while all this super-weapon was advertised, while they were hanging noodles on their ears that an expensive gun would hurl kopecks for hundreds of miles with a wild rate of fire, it sounded somehow convincing. But when the program of the 28 units of these super-destroyers was reduced to only three, and instead of the railguns they were equipped with conventional guns with an 62 barrel-caliber length, it somehow became uncomfortable. Not to us, of course - it became funny to us. Especially when they calculated the costs.

Two troughs float and break all the time, one more year how to build, and in a year and a half they will join the Navy. What allows you to summarize the costs. In fact, that is, two and a half ships, spent more than 22,5 billion dollars. It is somewhere under 10 billion for each in the ranks, and another 2,5 billion for under construction (a finished building costs less than a third of total expenses today).

Moreover, this poverty will not be able to shoot the guns of the main caliber. Because in the course of the project, it turned out that there would not be any projectiles for them. The prototype LRLAP (Long Range Land-Attack Projectile) type projectiles were under three meters long (well, 2,24 meters), they could enter the barrel even with separate loading only after they were raised vertically and therefore the rate of fire was no higher than 10 shots per minute. In this case, the cost of one such projectile surpasses the 800 thousand dollars. Somehow a bit too much to throw on the 100 km total 11 kg of explosives with a possible deviation from the target 10-20 meters.

But the ammunition of the two towers with 155-millimeter advanced AGS (Advanced Gun System) artillery systems with almost no 600 shells in automatic combat and 920 shots in total. 730 million (millions, Karl !!!) dollars for ammunition - somehow a bit too much even for American sailors. But that's not all.

The design of the destroyer, by the way, is leaking all the time, has no reservation. For at least some kind of replacement, the designers came up with the idea that they placed along the sides of a vertical launch installation (CWP) for cruise and other missiles (they are installations, the Yankees are universal). The logic of suicide - even, they say, UVP protect the insides from enemy shells, rockets and shrapnel. The question of how the detonation of missiles in the OHR will help the protection of the destroyer is ignored as defeatist.

The fact that just the side of the destroyers suffer in everyday life, as proved by two criminal cases, currently considered by the tribunal against two captains of the second rank, ruined the side and ditched a half dozen sailors, everyone knows about it. What would happen if you were on these boards with a missile defense unit ... they preferred to keep silent about it.

But that's not all. Wanting to reduce the cost of the last, third in the series, destroyer Lyndon B. Johnson, the designers decided to abandon ... the general ship computing environment (VHF) and the vertical missile launch system Mk57. And this is already beyond any understanding. In the absence of railguns and main-caliber guns, the destroyers of the series are only carriers of eight dozen missiles with a high degree of VHF automation.

All this looks even more stupid against the background of the ongoing construction of Orly Burke class destroyers, continuing in the USA and even strengthened by the rejection of the Zamvolts who cannot replace them. Destroyers Orly Burke, in comparison with the realities of their failed "substitutes", go faster, much more protected by Kevlar and carry undoubtedly more powerful and diverse weapons. At the same time, the cost of the last pennants less than 1,2 billion dollars, including weapons on board, and the cost of the last in the series will be 1,7 billion dollars in 2019 prices of the year. The average price of almost 70 ships of this class is about a billion dollars with annual expenditures of 20-25 million. That is, the real Orly Burke is more powerful, faster, better protected and armed than the Zamvolt. At the same time, instead of one current Zamvolta, not brought to mind, you can easily build 5 destroyers from Orly Burke. FIVE!!!

But this is just one of many examples of how American taxpayers' money is spent on what, more precisely, all American politicians love to broadcast from the stands. Notice, no outraged articles in the free American press. No investigations. There are no official at least cases on incomplete professional solvency, on official mismatch. Nothing. Given that any economist and accountant, just a reasonable person sees that we face a vivid example of blatant corruption. Which is easier to prove easy.

In any revolutionary project, the weakest and most breakthrough element, the most risky link, is isolated first. In the case of Zamvolt, this was exactly the railgun and the new 155 projectiles — mm guns. It was enough to wait and not to lay down the new destroyers before the completion of the full test cycle on the coast, and the taxpayers' expenses could be reduced by saving billions of 20. Instead, deliberately allocated money and laid more than one - three ships. Which obviously now do not carry anything new, but they are more expensive than a nuclear submarine or as much as the newest British aircraft carrier.

By the way, also constantly leaking and breaking.

I wonder who has learned from whom to steal on defense orders?
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 23 January 2018 06: 39
    30
    Right now, our Israeli friends will appear and say that the author does not understand anything, that the Americans will polish their "brilliant" and he will eclipse the sun with his brilliance wassat
    UVP protect from splinters? Strong active defense fool laughing I remember there was a topic about cofferdam "Zamvolta" with probably armored air wassat
    But in fact, fussing with irons is very entertaining, if you recall how manufacturers give rich customers the "last exclusive" car models, steal their innovations, and then laugh from such deer, counting profits for the air, and customers drive along public roads from point A to point B on a par with others. Here are just some in cars for 5 bucks, and others for miles fool And so they get to point B, some shrugging their shoulders, and others with inflated breasts, like bullfinches from show-offs wassat
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 23 January 2018 07: 04
      15
      Such a dough cut like in the Pentagon is nowhere in the world. And the most interesting thing is that they all know about it there. belay
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 23 January 2018 07: 24
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        Such a dough cut like in the Pentagon is nowhere in the world. And the most interesting thing is that they all know about it there. belay

        Right Lord energy (including sofas) - envy silently.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 23 January 2018 09: 54
      +7
      Rurikovich Today, 06:39 AM New
      Right now, our Israeli friends will appear and say

      ... here, here ... they will begin to chant Merikatos, like their own ... laughing
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 23 January 2018 11: 29
        +7
        Well, and how much can you discuss this without an anchor?
        1. Berber
          Berber 23 January 2018 12: 24
          +8
          We raise our self-esteem, comrade. And then in self-digging, they got to the bottom of the collapse of the USSR. Now we see that we are not the most near and expect the collapse of the United States.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 January 2018 14: 12
      +5
      "Right now, our Israeli friends will appear and say that the author does not understand anything," ///

      drinks
      The author repeated the theses of the article, which was a week ago.
      Ships of the 1st class - always a big "ikh", until they enter the battle.
      Are Russian missile cruisers good? - no one knows they
      never fought, didn’t shoot at anyone. Maybe - super, maybe - zero effect.
      So are the Zumvolts. Apart from criticizing their price, nothing definite can be said. fellow
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 23 January 2018 18: 19
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Apart from criticizing their price, nothing definite can be said.

        Alexey hi so with the price and yes
        Zamvolt Orly Burke
        7 billion 1,7 billion
        80 UVP cells 96 UVP cells
        2x155mm 1x127mm
        Feel the difference! 5 billion green American presidents two guns difference !!! wassat fool
        I'm exaggerating, of course, but still wink
        drinks
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 January 2018 18: 40
          +3
          Without experiments, you can’t get anything new. At first, people always laugh at an unusual shape. (The first steamboats except laughter did not cause any emotions).
          There is an iron law: if you do not change the generation of military equipment in time -
          even reliable and proven (!) - wait for defeat in the war.
          So the Americans are trying not to stay too long at OrlyBerks.
          And the Russians (with the "Eagles") laugh at them joyfully. smile
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 23 January 2018 22: 27
            +7
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There is an iron law: if you do not change the generation of military equipment in time -
            even reliable and proven (!) - wait for defeat in the war.

            Lesha, the ship is a weapon carrier wink The new weapon on the irons is super-duper art. The question is, what can an artifact with a firing range of 150 km and a projectile for 800 American Tugriks to ward off a carrier for 000 billion in order to abandon aircraft against the coast with a much greater tactical depth of impact on the enemy than 7 km ???
            If art "Zamvolta" is a new weapon, then I’m a ballerina laughing
            Quote: voyaka uh
            So the Americans are trying not to stay too long at OrlyBerks.

            "Berks" is a carrier of weapons, which are more on them than on irons at a much lower price, which means you can build more weapons repeat
            Remark - free irons can use their artwork without opposition, which serious countries will certainly provide. We conclude that as a ship for shelling the coast "Zamvolt" is suitable only against the Papuans request
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And the Russians (with the "Eagles") laugh at them joyfully.

            Russian "Eagles" is a legacy of the USSR, and it’s a sin not to use this weapon platform. Therefore, if it is possible to stuff the “Nakhimov” with what they plan, then as a striking means pr.1144 will be much more powerful than irons at a price lower than theirs.
            PS. The development of electronic warfare equipment in Russia is at such a level that the stealth of irons can be neglected, so if the Americans believe that they created such a ship, then let them believe. hi
            1. Aqela
              Aqela 28 January 2018 07: 41
              +2
              PS. The development of electronic warfare equipment in Russia is at such a level that the stealth of irons can be neglected, so if the Americans believe that they created such a ship, then let them believe.


              As I used to say in such cases: this is not a matter of religion, do not "believe or not believe"; it is a matter of theoretical and practical validity and applicability. request hi
              In general, I really liked the article. good love
              By the way, in terms of the argument about the need to replace weapons systems expressed by the grumbler voyaka uh. bully Something like the NATO warriors are not trying to terribly improve all sorts of such features, but they all have one “big-man” Browning M2 chambered for 12,7x99, and all other “shooting” is being built mainly based on completely new ammunition 9х19, 7,62х51, 5,56х45... soldier drinks And the design “breakthroughs” boil down to a small redesign of pens and stocks, and a return to automation, worked out by John Browning and Fedor Tokarev wassat good hi
          2. Soho
            Soho 24 January 2018 07: 28
            +4
            Without experiments, you can’t get anything new. At first, people always laugh at an unusual shape. (The first steamboats except laughter did not cause any emotions).
            There is an iron law: if you do not change the generation of military equipment in time -
            even reliable and proven (!) - wait for defeat in the war

            firstly, this is no longer an experiment, but a series (albeit a cut-off one). Secondly, the experiment is expensive, even for the US budget. But this is their business, their pocket)
            Thirdly, laughter is not an experiment, but the blaze of numerous admirers of the Great Matrassia, who at the start of the project praised this child prodigy.
            Fourthly, attempts to pull an owl on the globe with weapons, now with fire detection and control systems, and then with the stability of the ship will make a laugh. When they tried to rub the "unreasonable Khazars" that scrap launched from a railotron at 150 km could hit a moving surface object. Knowing enough the projectile flight speed (achieved v - 3,6M), we understand that a distance of 150 km uncontrolled scrap will fly in about 2 minutes. Yes, any destroyer at a speed of 30 knots during this time will cover a distance of more than 1.5 km from the aiming point!
            In addition, rubbing about the stability of the Zumvolts also causes a smile. Indeed, as evidence, ONR allegedly conducted tests on a full-scale model. But for some reason they kept silent that the tests were carried out only on acceptable values ​​of the angles of trim, but not roll. In addition, excitement was taken excitement equal to approximately 4-point! That is, we can conditionally admit that Zumvolt is a literary ship, and where should he chase after the Berks?)
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 24 January 2018 07: 55
              0
              Quote: Soho
              firstly, this is no longer an experiment, but a series (albeit a cut-off one). Secondly, the experiment is expensive, even for the US budget. But this is their business, their pocket)

              The series they have is Arly Burke, and this is precisely an experiment.
              Quote: Soho
              Secondly, the experiment is expensive, even for the US budget.

              Ships of the first rank are not cheap.
              Quote: Soho
              Thirdly, laughter is not an experiment, but the blaze of numerous admirers of the Great Matrassia, who at the start of the project praised this child prodigy.
              Fourthly, attempts to pull an owl on the globe with weapons, now with fire detection and control systems, and then with the stability of the ship will make a laugh. When they tried to rub the "unreasonable Khazars" that scrap launched from a railotron at 150 km could hit a moving surface object.

              Of course you do not understand these "throwing" if you refuse to admit that this is a pilot project. As for weapons, do not worry about them, in the end they will establish a figure of proven missiles and calm down.
              I would be in your place for the project to have no analogues in the world the largest missile submarine cruiser ... which were decommissioned in childhood, of course because he was brilliant.
              1. Soho
                Soho 24 January 2018 10: 44
                +3
                MadCat Today, 07:55 ↑.
                Ships of the first rank are not cheap.

                destroyer became 1st rank ship? well, come on ....
                As for weapons, do not worry about them, in the end they will establish a figure of proven missiles and calm down.

                But who is worried? only now we are talking about what Zumwalt has in fact. And when they put otherwise, we will discuss otherwise. But for some reason, nothing prevented the same representative of Lockheed Martin publicly declaring the Su-57 not in line with the concept of fifth-generation aircraft when the latter was still in prototype status. And his conscience did not torment him)
                MadCat Today, 07:55 ↑
                I would be in your place for the project to have no analogues in the world the largest missile submarine cruiser ... which were decommissioned in childhood, of course because he was brilliant.

                yes, Mr. switchman, in an article about Zumvolt, I have to write my feelings about Sharks fool
                and if it really props against the chest to shield the American miracle of technology from attacks, throwing arrows at the fact that two Sharks were written off, can you explain how you see their use, given that they essentially lost their main caliber?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 24 January 2018 11: 51
                  0
                  "destroyer became a ship of the 1st rank?" ///

                  Look at its displacement of 15,000 tons.
                  And the length is 183 meters. This is a natural cruiser, which for some reason was called a destroyer.
                  Ticonderoga Cruiser (10,000 tons, 172 m)
                  Cruiser Peter the Great (26,000 tons, 224 m)
                  1. Soho
                    Soho 24 January 2018 13: 21
                    +3
                    if taken only by displacement - up to maybe. But a ship of the first rank is not only a bloated bubble. The ship must also have a status in the order. Destroyers have always been ships of the 2nd rank. IMHO the entire system of ranks recently covered with a copper basin, as well as the classification of ships. Frigates became instead of destroyers, destroyers replaced the cruiser ....
              2. Aqela
                Aqela 28 January 2018 07: 55
                0
                Ships of the first rank are not cheap.

                I am touched by the attempt to call sub-ships, called for some reason “destroyers” to be assigned to the first rank. We read:
                Squadron destroyer (abbreviated destroyer) - a class of multi-purpose combat fast-moving maneuvering ships designed to combat submarines, aircraft (including missiles) and enemy ships, as well as to protect and defend ship formations or convoys of vessels during passage by sea. Destroyers can also be used for reconnaissance and patrol service, artillery support for landing and for the installation of minefields, as well as smoke screens.
                How can a multi-purpose escort ship be classified as a destroyer? (Abroad, including modern French, the most common tracing paper from the English name English. Destroyer ("fighter")) sad And a non-escort experimental platform is called ... No. what fool
                By the way, reasoning about the high cost of a ship of the first rank is a cool excuse for an epic cut! good drinks
                Still, I want to clarify, the first rank is determined by the class of the ship? (destroyer - 3rd, maximum 2nd rank, sort of like, along with frigates) Displacement? Crew number? Swollen finances? If the last factor, then comes the "thing in itself" ... request Swell another five lards, put on the deck a couple of light helicopters of the Robinson R44 class and can be called an escort helicopter carrier good
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 January 2018 11: 35
              0
              "we understand that the distance in 150km uncontrollable scrap" ////

              The projectile was supposed to be controlled, of course. Along the shore with GPS correction.

              "In addition, rubbing about the stability of the Zumvolts also causes a smile" ////

              He already walked in the Atlantic. There is always a storm.
              Somehow, the cruiser Aurora about the same shape of the nose reached Japan without any problems.
              You, like everyone else, are confused by an unusual form
              1. Soho
                Soho 24 January 2018 11: 50
                +2
                The projectile was supposed to be controlled, of course. Along the shore with GPS correction.

                guided projectile in railgun ??? are you not mistaken? Now it’s understandable because of a pipe dream, I had to stop at AGS. By the way, about
                along the shore
                Is it not strange to have an EM with a displacement of more than 10 just for coastal work? And without RCC, he and AGS will not help.
                Once the cruiser Aurora about the same nose shape reached Japan without any problems

                I'm saying that the question is not about the shape of the nose and not about the trim. The question is roll.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 24 January 2018 13: 40
                  +1
                  "is it not strange to have an EM with a displacement of more than 10 just for work along the coast?" ////

                  The sailors ordered the designers a strike ship ON THE COAST.
                  Because of this, the whole fuss with railgun. They were not planned for shelling
                  other surface ships (in this case, GPS will not help), only stationary objects on the shore.
                  Now, when the railgun was ruined due to the low rate of fire, the sailors decided to retrain the Zumvolts into ala-battleships. And focus on the new RRAA LRAASM.
                  This makes some sense, given its small ESR. If it is not visually detected from the air in time, then the radar can be mistaken for a fishing boat. That is, there is some chance to sneak up on an enemy ship / squadron unnoticed.
      2. Usher
        Usher 23 January 2018 18: 30
        0
        Lol Why not? They said the same.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 23 January 2018 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Apart from criticizing their price, nothing definite can be said.

        Why not? The number of missiles that they are in principle capable of carrying is open information. But why build a ship is almost twice as large as the OB, but at the same time carrying fewer weapons - no one really explained it already.
        Well, the price, of course.
      4. Ilya_Nsk
        Ilya_Nsk 25 January 2018 09: 58
        0
        already shot ..
  2. Sevastiec
    Sevastiec 23 January 2018 06: 41
    23
    It is not possible to read an article written in shkolota. And to all those who amuse themselves on the topic, “these are all the fools there,” I can remind you: in 1903, an international naval review or joint training was held, in which the Russian and Japanese Navy took part. After that, our admirals laughed for a long time, rubbing their hands and told that they were quick-eyed, they were not trained in navigation, they weren’t able to aim, their shells were flying in the wrong direction and they weren’t exploding, and torpedoes were drowning, etc.
    How it all ended, I hope you do not need to remind?
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 23 January 2018 06: 47
      +9
      History teaches us that it teaches nothing.
    2. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 23 January 2018 06: 58
      22
      So why suffer? Do not.
      Note is normal. True, there is no new one, but here the main thing was for the author to express his opinion. If there is another opinion, then you can write another note, where to refute with facts and figures on hand.
      In fact. People screaming that in Russia there are all around corruption and traitors, they do not notice that in the "West" the situation in this area is even worse.
      1. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 23 January 2018 11: 42
        +5
        Quote: ADmA_RUS
        People screaming that in Russia there are all around corruption and traitors, they do not notice that in the "West" the situation in this area is even worse.

        I am annoyed by any screamers on both sides. First of all, because, as a rule, they are distinguished by extreme incompetence. It is because of this that I found fault with the “normal” note. And I didn’t suffer: after reading a few sentences, it became clear that I wouldn’t learn anything useful and immediately proceeded to write a comment.
        1. Usher
          Usher 23 January 2018 18: 31
          +2
          What do not you like? He pointed to the real facts. What do you say in response?
          1. Sevastiec
            Sevastiec 23 January 2018 18: 56
            +2
            Who! .................................................
            ..
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 24 January 2018 00: 47
        +4
        Quote: ADmA_RUS
        People screaming that in Russia there are all around corruption and traitors, they do not notice that in the "West" the situation in this area is even worse.

        1. To people shouting that in Russia there are all around corruption and traitors, it’s as if they don’t give a damn about what's in the West, even if they’re overturning America. Are you a citizen of which country?
        2. The corruption there against the local is like grass in a coffee shop against a crocodile in the kitchen. For money, the Dutch grass market is much larger than the Russian crocodile market. But there is a nuance.
        1. ADmA_RUS
          ADmA_RUS 24 January 2018 16: 55
          0
          Fools can spit. But to understand the phenomenon, it is necessary to study everything to the side. The fact remains. Corruption is everywhere and in any socio-economic formation. The question is how much it harms or helps you personally or society as a whole.
          I am already silent that screamers against corruption themselves in everyday life often sin.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 23 January 2018 09: 27
      10
      Quote: Sevastiec
      Unable to read an article written in shkolota

      Indeed, the writing style of the article is depressing. And the article. rather, from the "Opinion" section, and the opinion is old, not substantive, and not original. To kick Zamwalt for the hundredth time
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 23 January 2018 17: 40
        +7
        The article frankly did not like.
        The key words in it are “squalor”, “toys”, “troughs”, “funny”, “stupid”. This is not an analysis of the pros and cons of weapons, this is a school essay on the theme "All Americans are thieves and mediocrity." It is impossible to read. For the composition - a fat deuce!
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 23 January 2018 10: 01
      +1
      1903, an international naval review or joint exercise was held, which hosted the Russian and Japanese Navy

      Strange not heard
      1. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 23 January 2018 11: 34
        +5
        I have not heard it before either. But I heard, either from Satanovsky, or from Khodorenko, who has a “column” on the radio at Yanych. Also then I searched on the Internet and did not find it. But these two comrades, in fiction, did not seem to be noticed. Probably just a bad search. Or searched not there; perhaps it was necessary to paint the literature, and not googlex.
        Khodorenok, as for me, in general, is a sample of a military expert and professional.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 23 January 2018 13: 33
          +2
          Khodorenko needs to listen very carefully to see if he “screwed up” when Satanovsky called someone on the day of the first launches of “callibrums”. That is, of course, he is not a sucker, but rather - "a rider on the ears." That is, he knows how and knows the task - how to rub what he needs to "rub" with his own and the stranger. Here, according to historical data - here you can often trust him unconditionally, but with suspicion about the current situation.
      2. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 23 January 2018 15: 18
        +6
        Obviously, the mission of Minister of War A.N. Kuropatkin to Japan, which really took place in 1903 - as always, "I hear a ring, I don’t know where he is."
        It is curious that the future evil genius of Russian weapons left diary entries about his visit:
        ".... In general, the Japanese troops gave the impression of reliable troops. The lower ranks have military pride. The population treats the army with great love. The issues of non-commissioned officers, officers and horses are weaker ...
        ... I can admit without false shame that the Japanese distinguished generals I have seen are no worse than ours. It is more careful to recognize Japanese military strength in its merits as equal to European. In defense, our battalion can resist two Japanese battalions. But on the offensive, we also need to count double forces. The Japanese are no worse than the Turks and in some cases can create for us new Dubnyaki and Pleven ... "
        Alexey Nikolaevich was soon personally convinced that "no worse."
        1. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec 23 January 2018 19: 02
          +1
          What was meant was what was meant. I already knew about Kuropatkin’s visit to Japan (in my opinion, Alekseeva, at Port Arthur, about this, although I could be mistaken, read about it in childhood). And here, as they say: for what I bought, for what I sold.
    5. alovrov
      alovrov 23 January 2018 11: 57
      +2
      A trivial zvezdezh, there was nothing of this and could not be. I am ashamed.
    6. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 23 January 2018 12: 38
      +2
      And to everyone having fun on the topic, "that's what they are all fools there"

      That's it, but it would be better if they paid attention to this:
      .... one year as it is being built and in a year with a little replenish the composition of the Navy.

      and I want to ask, but with us? Have you done your engine already?
    7. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 13: 30
      +3
      It all ended very sadly for Japan. Despite the kind of “crushing Victory,” which in fact our command gave them exclusively on earth negative am , And if the King "rested his horn," then Japan would die economically. Yes, they defeated two divided squadrons, and the first Pacific one they defeated exclusively by Miracle, there is such a very unrealistic story that turned out to be off-topic now, But on the earth they could and should have been defeated. Actually, the subsequent second war, almost 40 years later, showed that they were not warriors against us. bully And the ships of the Japanese were just, albeit modern, but squalor, a good example of how their Flagship returned to Japan - flew into the air good . There is generally just an unthinkable combination of circumstances, in favor of the Japanese. request
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 January 2018 14: 52
        +2
        After a fight, they do not wave their fists.
        1. WapentakeLokki
          WapentakeLokki 23 January 2018 20: 04
          +6
          Advise this to the Japanese in connection with the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, and at the same time with the results of World War II in general. Or, in your opinion, is: '' a completely different story ''
        2. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 23 January 2018 22: 04
          +6
          The Kwantung army will confirm you. We are not vindictive - we are evil and we have a good memory.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 January 2018 11: 54
            0
            There were two DIFFERENT fights. The Japanese defeated one, the Russians won the other.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 24 January 2018 12: 12
              +5
              No, consider the fight alone, for the Far East, for influence in this region.
              "For whom the battlefield, he won." Although it can be considered an exception Borodino
    8. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 25 January 2018 20: 11
      +1
      But if the Yapi hadn’t fussed and bought modern powder and shells from Britain in 1904, the outcome of Tsushima and the whole campaign would have been somewhat different. And it is not a fact that this acquisition did not pass without the pressure of the Britons themselves, whose participation in unleashing the entire Russo-Japanese conflict is not disputed.
  3. MadCat
    MadCat 23 January 2018 07: 00
    14
    I wouldn’t get too sick, Americans are building new ships faster than Russia is repairing their incomes of forty years old. And they always had money for experiments.
    1. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 23 January 2018 08: 15
      +8
      Quote: MadCat
      I wouldn’t get too sick, Americans are building new ships faster than Russia is repairing their incomes of forty years old. And they always had money for experiments.
      And the point of what they build faster? Well built an iron. Now they will bring it to mind many times longer than Russia to repair their old ships. And this is the situation with any types of American weapons. From m-16 to fu-35. Aby do the fastest in the world. and then bring it to life (and never bring it to mind).
      But in Russia they mastered the main Japanese chip - to skim the cream from other people's innovations and inventions on time. Which significantly reduces the cost of creating new designs.
      1. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 23 January 2018 11: 50
        +7
        Quote: Egor-dis
        Now they will bring it to mind many times longer than Russia to repair their old ships.

        Yeah, that's just in parallel, they dozens of “Burki” surrender. Of course, not counting other ships. They’re out there, new anti-submarine frigates are coming, whose speed is one and a half times higher than that of our multi-purpose boats. And we, in no way with turbines for three unfortunate and not new frigates, can not figure it out.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 24 January 2018 00: 56
          0
          Quote: Sevastiec
          They’re out there, new anti-submarine frigates are coming, whose speed is one and a half times higher than that of our multi-purpose boats.

          Are you talking about LCS?
        2. Egor-dis
          Egor-dis 24 January 2018 13: 25
          0
          Quote: Sevastiec
          Yeah, that's just in parallel, they dozens of “Burki” surrender.

          So what? They also M-16 riveted in sickly parties. And what, they of this they become better?
          1. Sevastiec
            Sevastiec 25 January 2018 16: 50
            0
            Oooh! .. So you, perhaps, want to say that the Burki are so bad that for our, miles sorry, the invalid fleet, an American, for one tooth?
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 13: 43
      +3
      Excuse me, but what about the facts about the "irons" from the article? Where to go with the Americans, the voiced refusal to purchase shells for 800,000 apiece, and where to put the deployment of UVP along the sides belay negative . The designers really imagined immortality bought these morons, or whatever. Correctly written - the mattresses two “Berkeley” almost (in their own words, dope) almost drowned just with damage to the sides, and ours got back with a bent side and demolished rails. fool And suddenly you think this wooden trough is really poorly visible on the radar and in the dark (and in the south you don’t have tea - at least poke your eye out at night) will they take this huge bulldozer out of the radar and “cut” it on the turn with a supercontainer? Yes, only chips will remain of him there. And the cost is real like that of an "imperial starship."
  4. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 January 2018 07: 04
    11
    What a touching concern for other people's money.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 07: 27
      10
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      What a touching concern for other people's money.

      Why are they strangers? This is the money of the Russian central bank, at least 100 billion for sure.
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 23 January 2018 08: 05
        +6
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        What a touching concern for other people's money.

        Why are they strangers? This is the money of the Russian central bank, at least 100 billion for sure.

        Is the US military budget direct? Is it central bank money? 100 lard is the equivalent of the average lice corporation, they have no global impact on the US economy.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 08: 28
          0
          Quote: MadCat
          Is the US military budget direct? Is it central bank money?

          It is quite possible the 7th part of this budget.
          Quote: MadCat
          they have no global impact on the US economy.

          They may not have global, but the loss of such an amount will be palpable.
      2. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 23 January 2018 11: 45
        +1
        Did many Americans set up "our" hundred yards of ships? They have an annual budget (military) of 7 times more.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 22: 02
          0
          Quote: Sevastiec
          Did many Americans set up "our" hundred yards of ships? They have an annual budget (military) of 7 times more.

          Probably the seventh of the ships.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 24 January 2018 00: 57
            +2
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            It is quite possible the 7th part of this budget.

            Collect money from potential opponents on your military budget? This is a great idea! I did not expect from mattresses, to be honest.
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 24 January 2018 01: 22
              +1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Collect money from potential opponents on your military budget? This is a great idea! I did not expect from mattresses, to be honest.

              and most importantly, without saturn.mmm they would have guessed it! laughing
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 January 2018 07: 14
    +8
    Least of all would I care about the spending of American taxpayers, and I would think better about our realities, which are not at all encouraging, as far as I see. And let the auditors and senate commissions be puzzled by the expediency of issuing Zamvolt, they’ll be paid money for this.
  6. ares1988
    ares1988 23 January 2018 07: 20
    +9
    And why, instead of so touching concern for the money of American taxpayers, not to show similar concern for the money of Russian taxpayers?)
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 23 January 2018 13: 45
      0
      Offering Revolution 2017 2.0? Or do you know less radical methods - the fight against corruption, with (at least) the removal of openly anti-Russian (I can’t even take them economists) “human-like entities” from management?
      1. ares1988
        ares1988 23 January 2018 14: 57
        +4
        I do not propose revolutions, I just think that focusing on one’s own problems is much more fruitful than looking for problems and troubles among close and distant neighbors.
        1. urman
          urman 23 January 2018 15: 17
          +4
          Quote: ares1988
          I do not propose revolutions, I just think that focusing on one’s own problems is much more fruitful than looking for problems and troubles among close and distant neighbors.

          Absolutely right! And then here some commentators, very much remind me, of residents are not up to the country of 404, with pots on their heads.
          I don’t give a damn that my house burned down, but the cow died from a neighbor.
          We should quickly deal with our problems.
          And what about the Yankees is absolutely violet to me.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 24 January 2018 00: 59
            +3
            Quote: urman
            residents not to the country of 404, with pots on their heads.


            If you are about Ukraine, then I have to remind you that своих they threw the thieves away.

            True, unfortunately, not all.
            1. slm976
              slm976 24 January 2018 11: 32
              +2
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Quote: urman
              residents not to the country of 404, with pots on their heads.


              If you are about Ukraine, then I have to remind you that своих they threw the thieves away.

              True, unfortunately, not all.


              Yeah, some Thieves drove away other thieves and began to steal twice as much, while they destroyed industry, robbed the population and started a civil war! CE MOVEMENT!
              1. sd68
                sd68 24 January 2018 12: 58
                0
                how would this kind of propaganda stuff be removed from the Armament section?
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela 28 January 2018 08: 10
                  0
                  As I understand it, the use of heavy howitzer weapons and tanks in the Donbass region has already ended? I am not for propaganda, but to say that everything is pink and chocolate on Ridny Nenko is somehow strange. The same "Naval Raft Nezalezhnaya" in the light of discussions about new naval developments somehow testifies. request
  7. tchoni
    tchoni 23 January 2018 07: 23
    +8
    Oh, how we love to consider the tango of American taxpayers))) oh, how we love .... But before you go to take the bitch out of your neighbor’s eyes, it would be nice to get rid of the log in your own ...
  8. savage1976
    savage1976 23 January 2018 09: 45
    0
    You better not talk about it with the Americans. Let them lay with another ten Zumvolts. This is good, well, for us, anyway. We still need to advise them to build the Death Star,
  9. nivander
    nivander 23 January 2018 09: 53
    0
    Yabrams can crawl tilka on even hard surfaces. A 20 km march from Kubovaya to Bibikha will end for him death (no options) .Yak Americans are going to beat Anchorage off the evil Russians if there’s a landscape in the Krasnoyarsk Territory
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 28 January 2018 08: 12
      0
      I believe that the Merkava is not much superior to the Abrashka in cross-country ability, although it’s a suitable cart for its specific operating conditions ... yes
  10. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 23 January 2018 11: 01
    +3
    on the one hand, of course, huge expenditures on defense, on the other, “everything remains in the family” —that is, investing in defense is the engine of the economy, jobs, taxes ....
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 23 January 2018 17: 03
      +2
      We also invest money in their economy through a trader. We forge the defense of the United States, and even the "friends" keep the money there. No one is investing in the development of Russia nor the state itself is not “friends”. And what do we want?
  11. viktorch
    viktorch 23 January 2018 11: 07
    10
    Yeah, fine, I drank it on lockups, then the Americans stamp the berks, and in our country the shipbuilding second class breaks down completely, it turns out
    they drank from amers, drank, but they built a fleet
    we drank it drank it but they didn’t build

    I just don’t understand where is the reason for joy? amers are also sawing? well, they’re sawing, but less than ours, much less, and they’re doing it, this is the difference between feudal thieves’ capitalism in our country and corporate-slave ownership in them,
    before laughing at amers, poke your fingers at the constructed series of ships of a similar class with us, it just won’t work out, we just don’t have it, and never will,

    the whole essence of the article - look, they’re stealing, just like ours, which means we will be the best, the most effective, if we throw fence with caps and throw caliber zirconam
  12. BAI
    BAI 23 January 2018 11: 23
    +2
    But there are still killer waves. What will happen when you meet them?
  13. Taoist
    Taoist 23 January 2018 12: 07
    +4
    And I remember here appeared articles on the topic which all the same, "wunderwaffe" washed down the states ...; -)
    I honestly don’t think that these irons are all the same UG as drawn here ... but here is the fact that it is fucking expensive UG there are no objections even once and as a result the question arises, “why the heck”? For action against the Papuans? Well, you can buy any local "elite" for the cost of the BC of this miracle of a destroyer - and buy a couple more for change ...
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 24 January 2018 01: 00
      +1
      Quote: Taoist
      the question is "fucking"?

      The rich have their own toys.
  14. Izotovp
    Izotovp 23 January 2018 12: 51
    +4
    Leaking Zumvolt, it may be hee-hee, but it is the development of new technologies that they, unlike us, will not put under the cloth. And we live on the ruins of a highly developed civilization and are proud of what it was, and not what it is ....
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 23 January 2018 13: 04
      +5
      But what do we have really post-Soviet? other than airborne inflatable churches? in general, nothing, of course there are interesting personalities to whom this is the least analogue in the world - a reason for pride, but this clinic is adjacent to them.
    2. PPD
      PPD 23 January 2018 13: 27
      +2
      What is the best thing about technology?
      To build ships so that it does not flow is new technology?
      Oh, in vain they reduced the series, it is necessary to build all 28, shells can not be reduced and the railgun too ..... yes
      And in general, everything else on the needle-Burke especially.
  15. uskrabut
    uskrabut 23 January 2018 13: 31
    0
    Someone smart already wrote on the forum: "More Zumwalt, good and different."
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 23 January 2018 16: 54
      0
      No, not even they understood what the hell.
  16. Curious
    Curious 23 January 2018 13: 53
    +4
    "... in 1903, an international naval review or joint training was held, in which the Russian and Japanese Navy took part. After that, our admirals laughed for a long time, rubbing their hands and said that the quick-eyed navigation was not trained, they couldn’t aim, "their shells are flying the wrong way and they don’t explode, and torpedoes are drowning, etc."
    There can be no talk of any joint reviews and exercises of Russia and Japan in 1903. After the Shimonosek Treaty of 1895, relations between Russia and Japan completely deteriorated, and in 1902, Japan was already intensely preparing for war, having entered into an alliance with England.
    In the winter of 1902/1903, a command and staff game was held at the Main Naval Headquarters, by the way the third in a row, simulating a possible conflict. Despite the fact that 1905 was chosen as the supposed time of the war, when the Far Eastern squadron would include all five newest battleships of the Borodino type, and only 10 against 6 Japanese (whereas in reality there were 7 against 6). So even with the alleged superiority of forces, the Russian fleet, although it would have won the general battle according to our officers, destroying 60% of the Japanese forces, would have lost half of its ships itself, and the rest would have been destroyed in the Korean Strait by Japanese destroyers, breaking through for repairs during Vadivostok.
    By the way, on the side of Japan, the future commander of the cruiser Almaz in the Tsushima battle I. I. Chagin "played" in this KShU.
    As for the article, the publication of such dazibao to the resource that posted it does not add authority.
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 28 January 2018 08: 16
      0
      I fully agree with your argument in relation to the Russo-Japanese War, but I’m afraid that this will not convince anyone, "On the radio they said it would be hot even in the shade!" soldier
      In terms of “datszybao”, I’ll note that it’s everywhere, a note about the possible discrepancy between the positions of the author of the publication and the site, so this is a false analogy.
      By the way, if you have something to say? Write your article. I will read it with interest. hi
      If someone is not in the subject:
      Datszybao (Chinese trad. 大字報, ex. 大字报, pinyin: dàzìbào - “newspaper written in large characters”) is a manuscript wall newspaper in China used for propaganda, protest, etc. The right to write dazibao was enshrined in Constitution of the PRC of 1975.
      These newspapers became widespread during the cultural revolution, after May 25, 1966, a graduate student of Peking University Nie Yuanzi and other students and graduate students posted dazibao, where the university rector and other teachers were called "black anti-party bandits." Mao Zedong called this dazibao “the first Marxist dazibao in China” and instructed to distribute its text in the media, which marked the beginning of mass persecution of “revisionists” and “bandits”. In one of the songs dedicated to the cultural revolution, Vladimir Vysotsky sang:

      And he who does not honor quotes is a renegade and a bastard!
      To that we glue dazibao on the ass!
      Whoever argues with Mao will be rebuffed
      His wife with a friend Lin Biao!


      In February 1980, the plenary session of the CPC Central Committee decided: in order to help eliminate the “instability factors”, invite the National People’s Assembly to repeal the provision of Article 45 of the PRC Constitution regarding the right of citizens to “express opinions, express views, hold discussions and post dazzybao.” Thus, dazibao were actually banned.
  17. AleBors
    AleBors 23 January 2018 13: 56
    +2
    Well ... Partners have this ... They have specially trained people to understand and investigate all this disgrace. And we have? Maybe it's time to watch what is happening in our country?
  18. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 January 2018 14: 21
    +9
    Those who have a lot of fun about the Zumvolts and Gerald Fords ... guys, what are they building with us? We’ve been upgrading Nakhimov for 5 years already, we’ve been building ash trees for 10 years, they’re not building a single destroyer, I’ll keep silent about Gren. What fun gentlemen? Mattresses can afford to "play" with the same Zumvolt, because they even eat destroyers and cruisers backwards. And if you take the entire NATO fleet?
    1. 82т11
      82т11 23 January 2018 15: 00
      0
      With us, some 20 years ago, aircraft carriers sold like scrap metal, so we have the right to gloat!
      And it’s good that they’re doing it for at least 5 years.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 January 2018 15: 03
        +4
        Quote: 82т11
        And it’s good that they’re doing it for at least 5 years.

        What are they doing in 5 years? Nakhimov’s modernization? So it’s not finished yet. The deadlines have been set to 21 years. That is, 8 years. And there will also be sea trials and state trials, at least 2 years. So consider it.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 23 January 2018 22: 07
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      We have been upgrading Nakhimov for 5 years

      Third year.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 January 2018 22: 11
        +3
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Third year

        Nakhimov’s modernization began in the 13th year ... but he stands at the wall in general from the 90s
  19. 82т11
    82т11 23 January 2018 14: 49
    +1
    Quote: tchoni
    Quote: siberalt
    Such a dough cut like in the Pentagon is nowhere in the world. And the most interesting thing is that they all know about it there. belay

    Right Lord energy (including sofas) - envy silently.


    We can’t silently, it’s how much money people get for free!
  20. Kent0001
    Kent0001 23 January 2018 16: 53
    +3
    Why so long and expensive to cut loot. Let us learn from ours at Vostochny. It is as if there is a spaceport, but everything is being completed and is being completed, and the launches from it fall into the ocean. And all the money goes and goes ... like a hole, offshore companies are called. And neither Rogozin nor GDP can do anything, since they themselves created such a system.
  21. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 23 January 2018 17: 12
    +3
    fools, of course, we need to like us: to build frigates of two different projects, one so that there would be no air defense, the other without engines. Then everyone will admire the Americans
  22. Dmitry Tantsyura
    Dmitry Tantsyura 23 January 2018 19: 41
    0
    and cracked the world in half, and into the microphone! There is a war of good and evil, the Law of the Sea (The very last one does the work of the former) So they returned the world from head to foot. Who did not want to, I am not to blame.
  23. gorunov
    gorunov 23 January 2018 20: 17
    0
    Boasting when you go with # #?
    Fuck, dudes, I'm cool # ru now! )))
  24. gosha1970
    gosha1970 24 January 2018 00: 17
    -1
    Quote: siberalt
    Such a dough cut like in the Pentagon is nowhere in the world. And the most interesting thing is that they all know about it there. belay
  25. gosha1970
    gosha1970 24 January 2018 00: 19
    -1
    Quote: siberalt
    Such a dough cut like in the Pentagon is nowhere in the world. And the most interesting thing is that they all know about it there. belay


    Are you the accounting auditor of the United States Department of Defense?
  26. sd68
    sd68 24 January 2018 03: 35
    0
    Zamvolta’s problem is not Allow.
    Zamvolt as a platform is very good.
    Another thing is that it is necessary to bring it to mind, but they are doing it slowly, or even not doing it at all.
    MK57 cells are larger than MK41, but so far no one is developing new missiles for them.
    The radar was set off, which excludes the possibility of using SAM, except for the ESM, which is simply ridiculous.
    There is no projectile suitable for a cannon - it’s written with Vulcano yet forks on the water, and it’s weak, it makes sense to put a large caliber for using sub-caliber shells, Excalibur fires very close, there are clearly no need for two guns on such a ship.
    IMHO the second gun just begs to be replaced with the MK-41 to get a balanced ship
    It is completely incomprehensible why they did three things, it would be better if they brought one to mind first
  27. Ryazan87
    Ryazan87 24 January 2018 14: 28
    +2
    Quote: Sevastiec
    (in my opinion, it was in Port Arthur about Alekseev, although I could be mistaken, I read it in childhood)

    Maybe Stepanova?
    Or didn’t you understand again?
    1. Aqela
      Aqela 28 January 2018 08: 27
      0
      Maybe you also read The Zvonarevy Family? wink
  28. Speedy
    Speedy 24 January 2018 16: 41
    0
    "going with rati" will somehow memorize in two ways)).
  29. Taoist
    Taoist 24 January 2018 20: 16
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "we understand that the distance in 150km uncontrollable scrap" ////

    The projectile was supposed to be controlled, of course. Along the shore with GPS correction.

    "In addition, rubbing about the stability of the Zumvolts also causes a smile" ////

    He already walked in the Atlantic. There is always a storm.
    Somehow, the cruiser Aurora about the same shape of the nose reached Japan without any problems.
    You, like everyone else, are confused by an unusual form

    No ... what is there to be embarrassed about - the truth is we certainly do not confuse the ram pin with the bulb ... But the fact that the reverse camber worsens stability and makes it difficult to enter the wave (and the flooded upper deck is also a question of the possibility of using weapons in a fresh weather) any hydrodynamic speaker in the know ... Another question is that clearly seafaring sacrificed the notorious "invisibility" here ... is it worth the candle? The question is of course interesting ...
    1. sd68
      sd68 24 January 2018 22: 30
      +1
      he cuts through the wave, and does not enter it.
      where did you get that seafaring sacrificed?
      1. Taoist
        Taoist 25 January 2018 10: 05
        0
        There is an option with "cutting" - but this is not a submarine - and weapons can not be used with the upper deck flooded. And second, the reverse side inclination leads to the fact that with an increase in the roll, the restoration moment decreases - i.e. ceteris paribus, the side rolling of such a ship will be with a greater amplitude and period.
        1. sd68
          sd68 26 January 2018 00: 28
          +1
          it is not significant, this reverse tilt, and does not significantly affect the pitching, in addition, the ballast and center of gravity are well placed - at sharp turns you can’t see a roll at all- below I gave a video of Zamvolt and Arly Burke for comparison, it shows clearly how Zamvolt cuts through the water ..
          The overboard is high, it is unlikely that there will fill the deck.
          however, maybe you somewhere will find Zamvolt’s video in a storm, bring it, it will be interesting to see
          1. Taoist
            Taoist 26 January 2018 10: 38
            +1
            I suspect that in a storm he is not yet at risk of releasing him. ;-)
          2. Taoist
            Taoist 26 January 2018 10: 56
            0
            I rummaged and did not find a single photo or video where this “wunderwaffe” was captured not only in the storm but even in a “fresh” wave ... I suspect that in such weather they simply do not risk releasing ... ;-)
            By the way, one more “nuance” - the sides of it are covered with special radio-absorbing material. - How will it behave in the conditions of the sea? In any case, the stealth radar absorbing coating requires very careful storage on the ground and very expensive maintenance ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 27 January 2018 13: 47
              0
              Here, in my opinion, it is clear that there are waves in the ocean:


              The Atlantic is always stormy. There is no calm at all.
        2. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 28 January 2018 20: 34
          0
          UVP can also be used with a flooded deck. The problems will only be with artillery, which, as it were, is not, one might say, with a helipad.
  30. sd68
    sd68 24 January 2018 23: 16
    0
    looked for how Zamvolt behaves in the sea.
    I didn’t find the storm, I only found a video where he maneuvers with little excitement, and for comparison Arly Burke.


    I did not see any rolls or burying in the wave.
    on the contrary, Arly Burke will obviously be better on the same wave, since he will not rise to the wave and then fail.
    and its freeboard is much higher
  31. Svarozhich
    Svarozhich 26 January 2018 13: 30
    0
    What kind of cut is the bubble in question? I don’t understand at all ... well, they will print another 100 tons of candy wrappers, so what? All countries, including ours with foam at the mouth and with bloody corns, will stand in line for them and Amers have nothing to worry about - all their worries about the public debt are simply fables for the poor ... we are in economic slavery with the Amers, that's all .. .
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  33. Dr_engie
    Dr_engie 28 January 2018 20: 31
    0
    Missiles in UVP are far from the fact that they detonate from fragments and shells. The rocket fuel and modern explosives are quite inert, the transit time of the fragment is minimal, there is little time to transfer heat.

    And do not ascribe to them what the Americans themselves did not say. They stated that the ships are experimental, and it is not known how successful they will be, and not that "we are building super ships, you." And then they themselves came up with, they themselves were afraid and now hell is laughing with their own jokes.