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The current election campaign is unique in its own way. For the first time, Russia is holding presidential elections in conditions of open confrontation with the West. Of course, there were differences between partners before, but such a “crusade” against our statehood was not noticed for a very long time. Everything went so far beyond the bounds of decency that it more likely resembles a clash of civilizations, and not a dispute between “economic entities”, as before.




2018 year can be life-changing. The state system of Russia is facing challenges that it has not yet known. Perhaps the most serious of all the newest history. The nature and scale are such that half measures seem to fail. The country and its leadership face an alternative: either the mobilization of all domestic resources, or the surrender and loss of sovereignty. Awareness of this comes, albeit slowly, but inevitably.

The old architecture of relations between the authorities and the elites does not correspond to these challenges, as well as the position and the role of these elites in society.

The difference between the vision of the future among the people and its "best representatives" begins to frighten even bystanders.

The beginning of the election campaign coincided with an unpleasant information campaign for the Russian leadership, which began in the West and was connected with the preparation of the next “black lists”, where the “captains” of the Russian economy and billionaires close to the country's leadership would enter. At the same time, respected Western agencies, like Bloomberg, with appropriate time and subtlety and ease report on negotiations and consultations that have taken on a mass character between representatives of potential list figures and official representatives of US government agencies. In passing, it is emphasized that the presence in the list does not at all entail an automatic hitting under sanctions. A sort of subtle hint indicating the correct direction of movement.

Unfortunately, even without Bloomberg, it is clear that many defendants would gladly change the “flag and emblem” if they were not afraid to lose more inside the country than outside it, but this fear may turn out to be fleeting.

Not all, but many people who have made their fortunes in 90's and successfully, as it seems to them, have built their capital into the global economy, have tired of all these games in patriotism.

It is one thing when it leads to an increase in capitalization of assets, and it is quite another when it zeroes this capitalization. Being a sponsor of the “project Russia” is a thankless task, especially if it’s clear that the world hegemon decided to close this project.

This is with regard to the "captains" of the economy, but the "regional" elites, i.e. regional officials who hid honestly and beyond their strength in Western banks and are now painfully wondering what will happen next.

It turns out that the current elites can at best turn into ballast from the support of the current government and the state. At worst - maybe in Ukraine. True, there was no state at all as a factor.

Under such a sad accompaniment, the current election campaign unfolds.

The unexpected appearance of Grudinina may mark not only the emergence of a new face, but also a kind of demonstration, called upon to become a prologue for the formation of a new consensus.

If his support by voters is serious, it can be a signal for the start of a “change of generations” in the elites. And not in the age, but rather the ideological sense, i.e. mark the beginning of the process that will lead to the elite leaving the 90-x sample and everything associated with it.

Under the conditions of inevitable domestic mobilization, popular support can be one of the key factors. And here the predictable crushing failure of the cartoon "liberals" should also play an important role.

Putin’s indisputable and convincing victory, as a guarantor of the stability of the state apparatus and maintaining the policy of protecting the sovereignty of the country, with serious success of Grudinin, as a person at the same time personifying and nationally oriented business and socially oriented state policy, can become the key to the formation of a new anti-liberal force. Forces that can initiate and implement the “revolution from above” that is so necessary and expected by the people, which would allow both to avoid shocks and lead the country out of a protracted systemic crisis.

No matter how strange it may seem, but for all the outward dissimilarity, the presidential campaign in the USA in 2016 and ours in 2018 may find common features.

First of all, this is a conflict between the people and the elites, as well as fatigue from the same political figures serving the number for decades. If Putin is associated with the return of a strong and sovereign state and enjoys great support, then everyone else is associated with “2: 0 stagnation”. Yavlinsky, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov and a number of other people have long become folklore characters from childhood, like Pugacheva or Petrosian. People do not want “koscheev immortals” and not Martian bureaucrats, but new successful individuals, intelligible and sane programs.

If we compare the programs of current candidates, then even in scale they look unequal. In fact, today there are incomparable things on the scales: on the one hand, the very existence of our state, on the other - various versions of cheap populism.

Hence the hype around the figure of Grudinin. For many, it’s like a breath of fresh air, despite its obvious flaws. It is likely that its appearance will favorably affect the turnout as a whole. Even those who would not have come under other circumstances could come to vote for him. It is hoped that much can depend on the “size” of the second result.

There are two months ahead of the election campaign, and they promise to be very interesting. Do not forget about the external factor. As they say, the partners are not asleep and the intended outcome of the elections does not suit them in advance, so unpleasant surprises still await us.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 26 January 2018 05: 42
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    Hence the hype around the figure of Grudinin.

    I suppose if GRUDININ takes the second place in the elections ... maybe PUTIN will entrust him in the future government with clearing the Augean stables ... but provided that GRUDININ is not the figurehead of any bourgeois groups ... I don’t trust GRUDININ.
    I don’t believe that a person who made a fortune in the capital system will suddenly begin to struggle with the same system ... it just does not fit into the logic of our power system.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 26 January 2018 06: 07
      23
      Roosevelt was also wealthy, but he tamed his bankers and led the United States out of the Great Depression.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 January 2018 06: 10
        19
        GOD give it if Grudinin justifies the confidence of voters.
        But you remember how they trusted Yeltsin ... hoped for his election slogans ... only real affairs will show what this or that candidate who came to power is worth ...
        In this regard, everyone understands the GDP and Grudinin is still a dark horse.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 07: 19
          26
          Many people are trying to turn the mountains while undertaking a new job. Some of them succeed. Putin managed to “jerk”. But then he not only stopped and rested on his laurels, but also decided to earn extra money himself and give money to friends.
          We remember past achievements, but we don’t want to live in the old way either.
          1. efendia
            efendia 29 January 2018 06: 49
            0
            I agree completely and completely. At first he plowed and then he starred and the boyars went into the ass, and given that the tsar did not give up, it televised that it was not clear that he was from chair to chair and thought only of his pocket and not of the country.
            Therefore, the term of the presidency should be limited. So that the banks would not cease to be confused.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 January 2018 07: 49
          34
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In this regard, everyone understands the GDP and Grudinin is still a dark horse.

          This manager is already tired of many, and 15 mlr. from the budget for the maintenance of this citizen a dozen cool.
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 26 January 2018 08: 41
            12
            Quote: Stroporez
            This manager is already tired of many, and 15 mlr. from the budget for the maintenance of this citizen a dozen cool.

            Your attempts to denigrate Putin are ridiculous! You are completely and completely entangled in the slings of anti-Putin propaganda. And to get rid of these slings, even the broadsword depicted on your profile picture will not help you! Bottom line: the “earth” is getting closer and the end will be terrible for you - Putin will again become president! tongue
            And I, with a calm soul, go to work!
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 January 2018 13: 58
              15
              And here I go with a troubled soul. Non-payments in the country have become chronic and they begin to remind me of the times when enterprises paid with barter.
              Moreover, the state is the main non-payer.
              I used to fully support Putin, but on foreign policy successes you won’t enter the podium and the potential of Crimea ends, people want life to improve, but it obviously does not get better, and this is in the richest country in the world.
              If earlier my salary was $ 1000, then after the fall of the ruble in 2014, it became $ 600.
              Good "growth" of well-being. And it is not necessary to say that in Russia all payments are in rubles. Yes it is, but a lot of goods and components are bought for currency, so there is a clear dependence.
              The fact that Putin has allowed domestic politics to drift, and gave it to the liberal government at the mercy of this is obvious.
              The worst thing is that the government’s work, he said, suits him, as does the policy of the Central Bank.
              This means only one thing - NOTHING in the economy, in domestic politics; Putin will not change in the next 6 years of the presidency.
              So the discontent of the people, not because the people are bad, but because the power itself, led to this.
              Putin, of course, will win the elections, and for foreign policy this is good, but as for the domestic one, I have big doubts.
              For Putin to make drastic changes that are long overdue and overripe, it is necessary that something drastic happens to shake this swamp.
              And such an impulse could be either Putin’s victory in the first round with a minimal advantage or victory in the second round.
              And in this context, Grudinin with his program is very useful, it is unlikely to brush it off.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 26 January 2018 14: 13
                15
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                I used to fully support Putin, but on foreign policy successes alone, you won’t enter a pedestal

                Colleague, I don’t understand what foreign policy successes are constantly being talked about? Is there a fourth year war in the Donbass? The return of territories to Norwegians, Azerbaijanis, under the kind of TORs in the Far East?
                Crimea, unrecognized by anyone without Russian banks? a trip to the Olympics baud with a white rag and at the same time, practically, the annulment of the results of the Olympics-2014? Is it already unshackled to any world platform?
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                Putin, of course, will win the election, and for foreign policy it’s good, but as for domestic,

                Then the country is over.
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 28 January 2018 03: 10
                +1
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                If earlier my salary was $ 1000, then after the fall of the ruble in 2014, it became $ 600.

                recourse recourse recourse and for a long time you send the Russian salary to America ???? what wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 26 January 2018 14: 07
            +7
            Quote: Stroporez
            15 mlr. from the budget for the maintenance of this citizen dyuz cool

            New bike? How do we confirm, except for idle talk on the Internet?
            Quote: Stroporez
            This manager is already tired of many

            Well, at least not for everyone. Sling cutterare making progress laughing
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 January 2018 15: 06
              12
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              New bike? How do we confirm, except for idle talk on the Internet?

              Budget 2018 - https: //www.minfin.ru/ru/perfomance/b ...
              Budget appropriations for federal budget expenditures for 2018 and for the planning period 2019 and 2020 (as of 01.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX)
              6679. The functioning of the President of the Russian Federation - 20 billion. 158 116, 2 mln.
              66800. Support for the activities of the President of the Russian Federation = 10 065 966,4

              Information of the official website of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation: https://www.minfin.ru/ru/perfomance/budget/federa
              l_budget / budj_rosp / # ixzz55I678zM5
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 26 January 2018 20: 39
                +8
                Quote: Stroporez
                The functioning of the President of the Russian Federation

                Quote: Stroporez
                Support for the activities of the President of the Russian Federation

                What do you think is included in these articles?
                Turn on the brain ... mda ... well, or at least fantasy, already laughing
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 January 2018 23: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  What do you think is included in these articles?

                  These articles include more than 30 lard rubles! belay
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Turn on the brain ... mda ... well, or at least fantasy, already

                  I turned it on for a long time, and you, apparently, the "traffic jams" burned out. Put a "bug" lol
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          3. stivev
            stivev 31 January 2018 12: 02
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            Do you think the content of Grudinin will need less. On what calculations is this opinion based?
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 26 January 2018 10: 27
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          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          but this is on condition that GRUDININ is not the figurehead of any bourgeois groups ... I don’t have confidence in GRUDININ.
          I do not believe that a person who made a fortune in a capital system will suddenly begin to struggle with the same system

          But do not, believe or not believe, Grudinin. Why are you spreading your fears like a grandmother? You look at the facts in person, there are plenty of them. All that Grudinin earned, he invested (built) in his state farm and in ordinary people living in it. At the same time, he lives in a simple high-rise building. Tell me, which oligarch lives like that? Perhaps he could have become an oligarch if he had not built kindergartens like palaces. The best schools, even by European standards ... The fact that he earned (took) for himself is many times less than he earned (gave) to people. Is this not an eloquent example, what actually is a person and businessman, Pavel Grudinin?
          It is the real things that were done long before the election that show what this candidate is worth. Comrades from the Communist Party will not let you make a mistake!
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          But you remember how they trusted Yeltsin ... hoped for his election slogans ... only real affairs will show what this or that candidate who came to power is worth ...

          A matter of faith is your weak point. Where you do not need to believe, but you just need to know, for some reason you are engaged in different “faiths”. For example, I never believed in EBN, and did not vote for him, because I simply knew that this man was a traitor and destroyer of the USSR. This fact does not need any faith.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 26 January 2018 10: 38
            +8
            smile
            At the same time, he lives in a simple high-rise building.


            A great example ... kindergartens ... schools ... state farm.
            Only now RUSSIA is not a kindergarten or a state farm ... in our country there are 145 million people of different nationalities ... religions ... political views ... different forms of ownership ... different classes and layers of society who see their country in the future from different angles of view and to keep this giant ship on course without bumping into reefs (crises ... war ... revolution ... riots) is not given to everyone ... Grudinin also needs to prove his ability to do this.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 26 January 2018 10: 46
              27
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Only now RUSSIA is not a kindergarten or a state farm ... in our country 145 million

              Colonel Putin was able, wearing diplomat Sobchak, before that. So the director of the farm can! Everything big is built on the same principles as small. And then Grudinin will not be the only one to rule the country. There will be a team of highly qualified professionals, ministers, advisers. For example, the same Shoigu and Rogozin will remain. So do not be afraid, Grudinin will lead the country in the right direction. Only oligarchs need to be afraid!
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 26 January 2018 10: 49
                +6
                So do not be afraid, Grudinin will lead the country in the right direction.


                I wish him good luck ... if he will do it for the good of our country ... smile
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 26 January 2018 10: 50
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                  Quote: The same LYOKHA
                  I wish him good luck ... if he does this for the good of our country ...

                  The best luck will be if you go and vote for Grudinin.
                  1. Same lech
                    Same lech 26 January 2018 10: 51
                    +2
                    Let's think ... what
                    1. Tula gingerbread
                      Tula gingerbread 26 January 2018 14: 06
                      +7
                      I also think so far. But I think those who overestimate their hopes in the event of the victory of Grudinin are mistaken.
                      Nevertheless, he will have to act within a certain framework and I hope that if he is a smart person, he will not ruin everything from his shoulder, implement the changes gradually, so that there is no chaos.
                      And resistance will be necessary.
                      So if he even manages to implement part of the program, primarily in economic policy, this will include the introduction of a state monopoly on alcohol, control, currency movement, progressive taxation and removal of the burden on ordinary people, etc.
                      That would be good already.
                      And then I read yesterday, our followers of Gaidar, figured out that now in summer cottages they will not only take taxes on residential buildings, but also on summer kitchens, sheds, arbors.
                      They no longer know how to rip off the people, but no one touches the oligarchs, these sacred cows, the current government, they only increase their capital.
                      This is what annoys the people. On the other hand, there are enough loafers who report to the president that everything is fine, the people are happy and the ratings are off the scale.
                    2. NN52
                      NN52 26 January 2018 15: 21
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                      Something I do not notice any hype around Grudinin ....
                      Even in our city, a millionaire ...
                      Mach what people know is his last name.
                      Even my father, an old communist, does not want to vote for him. He says I do not trust him and I do not know .. And our country, this is not a collective farm ...
              2. Icarus
                Icarus 26 January 2018 13: 31
                +4
                The Communist Party of the Russian Federation for many years of "work", being the recipient of the federal budget, has not created its own mass media (except for the site). Grudinin does not blog (in any case, I do not know). So, Grudinin has no chance to win so far (provided that the country's economy does not collapse before March 18, and it does not collapse so quickly). As for the assumption of the author of the article, that if Grudinin gains a sufficiently large number of votes, with Putin's convincing victory, this can lead to a reorientation of the elites and revolution from above, then this is an illusion. After the election, Grudinin will continue to be “drenched,” including his state farm. To eliminate a competitor for future presidential elections. The Communist Party will have to look for a new, "spotless" candidate. But with such preparation for the election, they will lose again if they do not draw conclusions.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 26 January 2018 13: 52
                  10
                  Quote: Icarus
                  The Communist Party of the Russian Federation for many years of "work", being the recipient of the federal budget, has not created its own mass media

                  We want to get married, but who will give us? In our democratic state, even liberals have their own Dozhd TV channel and Ekho Moskvy radio (they say they are funded by Gazprom). But the Communists have nothing! The authorities do not give frequency, although about a third of the population advocate left-wing ideas in our country. Much more than liberals! And all this is because our elite is not at all afraid of liberals (such a thing!). But from the Communists, how the hell from incense! And nothing depends on the desire of the Communists to create their own channel, if no one allocates frequencies to you. Zyuganov spoke about this.
                  1. Freeman
                    Freeman 26 January 2018 16: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Quote: Icarus
                    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation for many years of "work", being the recipient of the federal budget, has not created its own mass media

                    We want to get married, but who will give us? In our democratic state, even liberals have their own Dozhd TV channel and Ekho Moskvy radio (they say they are funded by Gazprom). But the Communists have nothing! The authorities do not give frequency, although about a third of the population advocate left-wing ideas in our country. Much more than liberals! And all this is because our elite is not at all afraid of liberals (such a thing!). But from the Communists, how the hell from incense! And nothing depends on the desire of the Communists to create their own channel, if no one allocates frequencies to you. Zyuganov spoke about this.

                    Why Zyuganov "frequency", this is the last century. If he does not know, then there is such a thing - IP tv is called. The LDPR has its own channel, but what prevents it? The Internet has now become accessible to the general public.
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 26 January 2018 20: 18
                      +5
                      Quote: Freeman
                      Why Zyuganov "frequency", this is the last century.

                      Indeed, why the First and Russia 1, the frequency channels? This is the last century!
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 27 January 2018 00: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Quote: Freeman
                        Why Zyuganov "frequency", this is the last century.

                        Indeed, why the First and Russia 1, the frequency channels? This is the last century!

                        Do you propose to score television on "party" television channels? Indeed, in your "post" it is said about the "frequencies", and not about the provision of "airtime". And what will happen?
                        Anecdote from stagnant times
                        Introduced a fourth television program. On the first day, a citizen sat on the TV, turned on the first program and saw that Brezhnev was speaking on it. Switch to the second - again Brezhnev. On the third - again Brezhnev. Switched to the fourth. A KGB colonel sits there and threatens with a finger: "You’re switching over now with me!"

                        I watch TV on the Internet, the provider has such a tariff -
                        "internet + tv". So, in addition to the "basic" channels, it periodically, for free, connects several channels as their advertising. Now the LDPR channel is showing. What prevents the Communist Party from organizing such a channel? It’s better than nothing.
                        Threat. And "Russia 1" and especially "First" is evil. They are called "debilizor". wassat
            2. uskrabut
              uskrabut 26 January 2018 11: 48
              13
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Only here RUSSIA is not a kindergarten or a state farm ...

              May I continue? And not the Sobchak family ..... So, according to your logic, it turns out?
              They are not born as presidents; people choose presidents.
            3. user
              user 26 January 2018 18: 45
              +2
              Only now RUSSIA is not a kindergarten or a state farm ... in our country there are 145 million people of different nationalities ... religions ... political views ... different forms of ownership ... various classes and layers of society who see their country in the future from different angles of view and hold this giant ship on course without bumping into reefs (crises ... war ... revolution ... riots) not everyone is given


              I once spoke with my friend, he got a very high post, so he said something like the following - do not think that working in a high position is very different from a lower one - the same tramp has his own problems, relationships and various groups, but no more workload and responsibility , well, if you do not worry about the relationship of your role in history. . . . .

              Neither add nor diminish. . .
            4. Alf
              Alf 26 January 2018 21: 52
              +1
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              .Grudinin must also prove his ability to do this.

              And how to do it?
            5. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 28 January 2018 03: 14
              0
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              At the same time, he lives in a simple high-rise building.
              A great example ... kindergartens ... schools ... state farm.

              yeah ... and also Grudinin drives a "budget" subcompact !!! wassat wassat lol lol lol
          2. Loess
            Loess 26 January 2018 11: 09
            +3
            Perhaps he could have become an oligarch if he had not built kindergartens like palaces. The best, even by European standards, schools ...
            It is the real things that were done long before the election that show what this candidate is worth.
            Specifically, the school was built in the 2017 year, the kindergarten was built after the elections of the 2012 year. Just a clarification.
        4. 210ox
          210ox 26 January 2018 10: 30
          12
          Alexey, I agree with you. The liberal direction in the economy needs to be changed, and urgently. But I’m afraid that this will not come to this. None of these siluanovy, Chubais, chicken, EBF feeding up just like that. Too much is at stake.
          Quote: The same Lech
          GOD give it if Grudinin justifies the confidence of voters.
          But you remember how they trusted Yeltsin ... hoped for his election slogans ... only real affairs will show what this or that candidate who came to power is worth ...
          In this regard, everyone understands the GDP and Grudinin is still a dark horse.
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 26 January 2018 14: 11
            10
            I also think that these gentlemen, so simply, they will not give up power. They will not give up the feeding trough, which Russia is just for them.
            "Territory for hunting," as Khodorkovsky said about Russia.
            This is for us the Motherland of Russia, whatever it may be. And for them - "this country."
            1. True
              True 1 February 2018 23: 16
              +1
              Quote: Tula gingerbread
              I also think that these gentlemen, so simply, they will not give up power. They will not give up the feeding trough, which Russia is just for them.
              "Territory for hunting," as Khodorkovsky said about Russia.

              Have you heard about the theory of the “stationary bandit”? This is it. Everything is thought up to us.
        5. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 26 January 2018 10: 43
          +6
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In this regard, everyone understands the GDP and Grudinin is still a dark horse.

          This is called the Russian roulette of Western "democracy." Today, with the advent of a new face, you have communism, tomorrow there has become anarchy, after tomorrow feudalism, and after tomorrow tomorrow the emperor was dug up with the landlords, with 200 serf souls for everyone. Under the USSR, whoever came, the system did not change, and with it the stability of the system, for which advocates of the liberalism of the current government so advocate. It turns out that it was necessary to change the owner and system in the country and to advocate for the same thing what was called for in the USSR? So this is called the usual "dribbling" of some at the expense of others, and not the desire for a "bright future" of the whole society). And Tagged became the first swallow with its "publicity" and "perestroika" in this driban.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 26 January 2018 12: 07
            +9
            I wanted to add.
            Any system that claims to have a dominant role in the world has both censorship and ideology. In the light of recent events in Ukraine, Syria and the upcoming Olympics, can someone prove to me that the Western media work without censorship, and the whole Western world does not adhere to American ideology?)))
            If we have in the Basic Law (written again by the Americans) a ban on ideology and censorship, international i.e. pro-Western law is higher than national, while the American (western) way of life is imposed, do you think that we are an independent country?)))
            At the same time, since 1991, we have been told from zomboyaschiks that we are now free (from resources, industry, agriculture, education and medicine?) And independent (from brains?), While holding the udil with the liberal "stability" of the oligarchic system?)
            1. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 26 January 2018 14: 16
              +8
              Yesterday at Babayan, at the forefront, a German journalist spoke about what restrictions on the media were made in Germany in 2017.
              Essentially censorship. There are such provisions there that on the same twitter if something appears in the opinion of the German authorities - anti-German - then a warning is issued and the danger of removing the material. If it is not deleted, then a fine of 50 million euros.
              Not bad, huh? And this is in a democratic country of the West. Try to introduce such a law in Russia, introduce such a howl that your mother does not grieve, up to new sanctions, for restricting freedom of speech.
              We have long been no longer freedom, but permissiveness. It’s time to already see what laws are in this regard in the West and are not afraid to adopt, useful for us.
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 26 January 2018 14: 30
                +1
                Quote: Tula gingerbread
                Not bad, huh? And this is in a democratic country of the West.

                And what is Western democracy? This is not an ideology in achieving their selfish goals for the occupation of world consciousness?
        6. Dagger75
          Dagger75 28 January 2018 14: 02
          0
          And who is Mr. Grudinin? Appeared almost from the void and immediately .........
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 26 January 2018 09: 56
        +1
        "" "" Uncle Lee Today, 06:07 ↑ New
        Roosevelt was also wealthy, but he tamed his bankers and led the United States out of the Great Depression.

        Roosevelt did the same from the Communists.?. But his ... USA?
      3. Antares
        Antares 27 January 2018 01: 01
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        and brought the United States out of the Great Depression.

        there are slightly different versions (how he plunged into this Depression when the economy recovered from the experiments of the past president)
    2. Romey
      Romey 26 January 2018 07: 09
      21
      [quote = The same LEKHA] [quote] Hence the hype around the figure of Grudinin. [/ quote]
      I guess if Grudinin takes second place in the election ... maybe Putin will instruct him in the future government to clear the Augean stables ... [/ quote]
      I don’t know how my comrades are, but personally I will consider this a betrayal, because it is impossible to rake the Augean stables of the Yeltsin-Putin period under the leadership of one of those who dirtied these very stables. We stepped on this rake already in 1998 with the government of Primakov-Maslyukov. As soon as they pulled the economy a little from the fifth point, they were thrown out like rubber products and all liberal abominations have continued to the present. Yes, and cases with Swan, Rogozin, and even with some of the same song.
      [quote = The same LEKHA] [quote] but it is provided that GRUDININ is not a front man of any bourgeois groups ... I do not have confidence in GRUDININ.
      I do not believe that a person who made a fortune in the capital system will suddenly begin to struggle with the same system ... it just does not fit into the logic of our power system. [/ Quote]
      It is very strange not to trust a person, suspecting participation in bourgeois groups and at the same time blindly trust a person who has long been the leader of the same official-oligarchic group in fact. In addition, no one hides that Grudinin really supports the national industrial bourgeoisie and a number of right-conservative social movements and national-patriotic parties, breaking all Putin’s patterns.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 26 January 2018 07: 25
        16
        Quote: romey
        I don’t know how my comrades are, but personally I will consider this a betrayal, because it is impossible to rake the Augean stables of the Yeltsin-Putin period under the leadership of one of those who dirtied these very stables.

        A colleague completely agree with you !!!
        You can’t get dirty about them.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 08: 27
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          You can’t get dirty about them.

          Then who?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 January 2018 08: 47
            +7
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Then who?

            But Grudini was yesterday in your area and in Samara and Togliatti. yes
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 10: 30
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              But Grudini was yesterday in your area and in Samara and Togliatti.

              I know, but I didn’t go. I’m sitting at home for almost a month with a back injury. request
      2. tasha
        tasha 26 January 2018 07: 41
        +5
        In addition, no one hides that Grudinin really supports the national industrial bourgeoisie and a number of right-conservative social movements

        Wow! Plus, the Communist Party and the left slogans ... Very seriously.
        Think about it. And let's combine them. Vladimir Putin will be responsible for foreign policy, and Pavel Grudinin - for the economy. wink
        1. Romey
          Romey 26 January 2018 07: 51
          +8
          [quote = tashaWow! Plus, the Communist Party and the left slogans ... Very seriously. [/ Quote]
          This is really serious, because our views and the views of the left on the economy coincide by 95%, and by 90% on the constitutional state structure. If we talk about assessments of the past, it’s still the past, and we are talking about the present and future. Disagreements are completely resolved within the framework of normal political processes and goodwill. Well, 100% it is safe to say that the world revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat on the agenda in its interpretation for 1917 is not worth the word at all. So what should we share with the left if it is neither more nor less than saving the Motherland from shocks far more dangerous than at the beginning of the last century?
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 January 2018 08: 02
          17
          Quote: tasha
          Vladimir Putin will be responsible for foreign policy, and Pavel Grudinin - for the economy.

          Type one will hang out beautifully, and the other rake the jambs 18-year-olds? belay
          No, Colleague, Putin’s time is up. good
          1. Romulus
            Romulus 26 January 2018 08: 07
            11
            Vladimir Putin will be responsible for foreign policy, and Pavel Grudinin - for the economy.
            Type one will hang out beautifully,
            And what is everything in foreign policy like top? All friends and allies? laughing fellow
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 26 January 2018 08: 14
              13
              Quote: Romulus
              And what is everything in foreign policy like top? AT

              Do we even have it?
              1. Romulus
                Romulus 26 January 2018 08: 16
                18
                Quote: Stroporez
                Do we even have it?

                Well, actually I'm talking about the same thing. Ext. Russian policy - situational response, without taking into account the future prospects.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 08: 31
                  16
                  Quote: Romulus
                  situational response

                  Yes. An example - polite people had to be introduced to the entire east of Ukraine, and not just to the Crimea. There would have been losses, but hundreds of times less than now.
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 26 January 2018 09: 02
                    13
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Yes. An example - polite people had to be introduced to the entire east of Ukraine, and not just to the Crimea.

                    I agree, the same sanctions would be, it is unlikely that the West would go to a direct confrontation, but Donbass and Lugansk would not be destroyed
                    PS But do not forget about the arrival at the same time of the "diplomat" from Switzerland.
                  2. Maverick78
                    Maverick78 26 January 2018 10: 31
                    +2
                    In no case ... correctly that they did not enter. You would get a bunch of hemorrhoids consisting of a more serious conflict with the powers that be and heaps of people, some of whom would think that you took away their dream, and some that you should build everything for them ... you don’t need it
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 10: 36
                      +3
                      Quote: Maverick78
                      some of which would consider that you took the dream from them

                      You shouldn’t be so. I talked with people from Odessa and Kharkov regions - they were waiting for us there. And about an unfulfilled dream, it is unlikely. On the whole territory of the Russian Federation, it lives (and lived) better than in Ukraine. Even based on the fact that we do not have the same fountain. hi
                      1. Romey
                        Romey 26 January 2018 11: 27
                        +7
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Maverick78
                        some of which would consider that you took the dream from them

                        You shouldn’t be so. I talked with people from Odessa and Kharkov regions - they were waiting for us there.

                        It's true.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72

                        And about an unfulfilled dream, it is unlikely. On the whole territory of the Russian Federation, it lives (and lived) better than in Ukraine. Even based on the fact that we do not have the same fountain. hi

                        And this is an illusion. Living there is about the same as us. Only the Russians have nowhere to go. There, like us, the sub-Western bureaucratic-oligarchic group controls everything here. They even use us under one supposedly “patriotic” sauce, with the only difference being that in Ukraine there is a typical Maidan democracy with a wild aftertaste of anarchy and Bandera, and we have a type of “tsar-priest” who nightly thinks how to make Russia great. The result is on the face.
                      2. Maverick78
                        Maverick78 26 January 2018 18: 31
                        +2
                        Ingvar, Russia would not pull Ukraine economically. The burden on your economy would be even greater. And as for the dream ... their dream is not just better to live, but as in Evropi) preferably on the ball)
                    2. Romey
                      Romey 26 January 2018 11: 18
                      +5
                      Quote: Maverick78
                      In no case ... correctly that they did not enter. You would get a bunch of hemorrhoids consisting of a more serious conflict with the powers that be and heaps of people, some of whom would think that you took away their dream, and some that you should build everything for them ... you don’t need it

                      And we must have Poland, the Baltic states and Georgia together at our side? A wasp swarm in which they stuck a burning firebrand, allowing to crush the anti-Bandera movement in Ukraine, which resulted in a popular uprising in the Donbass. By this logic, the same thing happens with Crimea. Once swung, then hit! Otherwise, you’ll get yourself in the jaw. Here either pan or disappeared. In our pathological case, it was exactly gone.
        3. Romey
          Romey 26 January 2018 08: 06
          16
          Quote: tasha
          In addition, no one hides that Grudinin really supports the national industrial bourgeoisie and a number of right-conservative social movements

          Think about it. And let's combine them. Vladimir Putin will be responsible for foreign policy, and Pavel Grudinin - for the economy. wink

          Putin's foreign policy went completely bankrupt. We are losing on all fronts. Her whole goal at the moment is to return to the West the label of reign on Putin so that the oligarchy lives as comfortably as before and no more. These are not our aspirations, and again this option will be considered a betrayal. The maximum is Putin’s reference to the post of permanent representative to the UN in order to use his suspended language and to make his partners pleasant.
      3. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 26 January 2018 07: 44
        17
        If his (Grudinin) voter support will be serious, this may be a signal for the start of a “generational change" among the elites. And not in the age, but rather in the worldview sense, those. mark the beginning of a process that will lead to the departure of the elites of the sample of the 90s and everything related to them
        ....
        The indisputable and convincing victory of Putin as a guarantor of the stability of the state apparatus ... may be the key to the formation of a new anti-liberal force. Force which capable of initiating and realizing the much-needed and expected by the people "revolution from above", which would allow avoiding shocks and leading the country out of a protracted systemic crisis. - from article

        Two opposing thoughts in the article.
        In one, if the people support Grudinin, then there will be a “change of elites”, moreover, “in the worldview sense”.
        And second, if Putin wins, "the guarantor of the stability of the state apparatus and maintaining the course," then there will be a "revolution from above", with the help of Grudinin.
        V. Putin is the embodiment of the current irremovable "elite". For 18 years he did not change the liberal course of development of Russia, destroying the country's industrial potential, turning Russia into a raw materials appendage of the West, in which a large part of the population was poor, was left without work, without social guarantees of the state due to old age and illness, and a small part, it can be said miserable, immensely enriched.
        И V. Putin WILL NOT CHANGE HIS LIBERAL COURSE, because he himself is at the head of this scanty part of the population - the oligarchs, most of them grown.
        There is only one hope that a “revolution from above” will happen peacefully without severe upheaval if Pavel Grudinin wins the election.
        1. dSK
          dSK 26 January 2018 08: 02
          +4
          Quote: vladimirZ
          There is only one hope that a “revolution from above” will happen peacefully without heavy upheaval if it wins the election
          Vladimir Vladimirvich.
          Cool "businessman" Grudinin cool "businessman" trump will "profitable proposition" and Pavel Nikolaevich will not be able to refuse by force of habit. hi
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 26 January 2018 08: 10
            14
            ... Vladimir Vladimirovich will win the election. .... Grudinin cool "businessman" trump will make a good offer and .... - dsk

            Haha laughing laughing laughing They made fun.
            Wait, wait. The people have been waiting for 18 years, but nothing has happened, the country is only more and more deeply plunging into a well-predicted economic and political crisis.
            The way out of this situation, if Vladimir Putin "wins", based on the historical chronicle of political and economic crises, is chaos and collapse, and God forbid, if there is a revolution that will replace this decayed socio-political system. The dialectic of the development of events, nothing can be done.
            1. dSK
              dSK 26 January 2018 12: 53
              +1
              Hello VladimirZ!
              Quote: vladimirZ
              They made fun.
              "The one who laughs last is laughing." "God will not allow, the pig will not eat." Vladimir Vladimirovich is an experienced fighter, there will be no second round.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 26 January 2018 13: 03
                10
                Vladimir Vladimirovich is an experienced fighter, there will be no second round. - dsk

                Yes, so experienced that he’s even afraid to enter the debate in order to defend his program of action, his ideology.
                Yes, but he does not have an ideology, in accordance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as it were, although everyone knows his liberal ideology of oligarchic comprador capitalism, which led the country into a long-lasting deep economic, and now even a political crisis.
              2. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 26 January 2018 13: 18
                +7
                Quote: dsk
                Vladimir Vladimirovich is an experienced fighter, there will be no second round.

                If there is a second round, then he will have no chance, because he will not get away from the debate, and there he will have to answer sharp questions that he has never been asked by journalists, and he will have to refuse the microphone in his ear, with a whispering whisper . Therefore, GDP will be pulled in the first round
              3. Romey
                Romey 26 January 2018 13: 26
                +5
                Quote: dsk
                Hello VladimirZ!
                Quote: vladimirZ
                They made fun.
                "The one who laughs last is laughing." "God will not allow, the pig will not eat." Vladimir Vladimirovich is an experienced fighter, there will be no second round.

                The saddest thing is that most likely the second round will not be for you and me. The crisis is just around the corner. And the only chance for a revolution from above is the election of Grudinin. Of course, all the jambs of the previous regime in this case can no longer be corrected, but it’s completely prepared to pass the bifurcation point.
                1. Romulus
                  Romulus 29 January 2018 03: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: romey
                  . The crisis is just around the corner. And the only chance for a revolution from above is the election of Grudinin.

                  Then the crisis will come faster and the consequences will be devastating - chaos
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 26 January 2018 14: 40
              +2
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Wait, wait. The people have been waiting for 18 years, but nothing has happened, the country is only more and more deeply plunging into a well-predicted economic and political crisis.

              Where do you get this nonsense from?
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 26 January 2018 14: 54
                +4
                the country is only plunging deeper and deeper into a well-predicted economic and political crisis. -
                Where do you get this nonsense from? - Petr1968

                What country do you live in? Have we heard anything about a long-term economic crisis in Russia? And about regular defaults robbing people?
                And about the emerging political crisis, which everyone is already writing about, that with the existing model of social structure it is impossible, in principle, to get out of the economic crisis, don’t you know?
                About this comprador "elite" who is massively leaving for the West, buying hundreds of Malta passports, and leaving Putin's supporters, who in February should not be sanctioned by the West?
                And these are signs of the beginning of a political crisis, when the “top” ceases to hold the situation.
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 26 January 2018 15: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  For many years the economic crisis in Russia have not heard anything? And about regular defaults robbing people?

                  Tell us more about defaults over the past 18 years ... For a start, study the term "default". There were a couple of crises ... WORLDWIDE !!!! that they quickly overcame. There was a drop in oil prices (where does Putin ???). Compare GDP of 2000 and 2017 ... figures in the public domain. Or remind you how tourism abroad has grown since 2000, at times, how everyone moved to foreign cars, how sales of iPhones are breaking records. You don’t see this, do you live in a village?
                  As for the elites. Where they keep money and have passports is their business. Where SECURITY is stored there. Here business can be taken away .. their own, not Obama, that’s they keep the money there. It was and will be, Putin has to do with it?
                  Well, about the top they stopped holding .. Putin's rating of 80% .. He will easily defeat ANY candidate ... and you know why. Because 80% of the population with him is very good !!!!! So if you argue, then give the numbers, not the opinion formed on the basis of haters from the network.
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 26 January 2018 19: 04
                    +6
                    So if you argue, then give the numbers, not the opinion formed on the basis of haters from the network. - Petr1968

                    And what figures do you have of Putin’s same rating drawn by media controlled by the authorities? Not taken from the ceiling?
                    As for default (English default - default), including the state to support the ruble against foreign currencies - the collapse of the ruble against the dollar and the euro, 2008 and 2014, then this does not say anything to you, you do not seem to think so. Well, yes, "see the definition of default." And you yourself are the essence of default, look at the translation of its meaning, to teach someone!
                    Well, what about the "elites", "where they keep money and have passports is their business", from which "business can be taken away", and "Putin has nothing to do with it" - this is generally a masterpiece of pro-Putin dusting the brains of people. You, and like Putin himself, who seems to be struggling with offshore capitalization, since they do not pay taxes to the state, introduces amnesties for them to return to Russia, then at the same time when it concerns his friends the Roldugin and Rotenbergs, he justifies and protects them.
                    And about "80% of the population is very good with him," you can throw it in the trash. The official data of the State Statistics Service is only 20,3 million living below the poverty line (living wage), but easier in poverty.
                    And how many are within the poverty line, how many pensioners who are not included in this number, whose pension slightly exceeds this cost of living, and who are not included in this number - 20,3 million, whose pension is 8-10-12-15 thousand rubles (total of 43 million pensioners) with an average pension of 12586 rubles for 2016. So where do you see "80% satisfied with life under Putin"? HOW CAN I LIVE ON A PENSION, albeit on an average, of 13 thousand rubles, 43 million pensioners, almost a third of the country's population?
                    Add these 43 million pensioners to the 20,3 million people living below the poverty line — a little less than half the country's population.
                    A rough calculation, but refuting your lie about "80% satisfied with a good life" under Putin.
                    More detailed information, including by region about the same pensioners with the layout of their expenses by cost, by region, can be found on the Internet, if desired. Moreover, the indicators for the regions are significantly lower than the average values, since they do not take into account the indicators of high pensions in Moscow and the north.
                  2. Overlock
                    Overlock 26 January 2018 22: 09
                    +6

                    take the calculator in hand:
                    1. The number of voters included in the voter list is 109 860 331
                    2. Votes cast 71 701 665
                    3. Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich - 45 602 075 or 63,60%
                    Total in absolute numbers: only 109 860 331 people voted for Putin from the number of voters (45 602 075 people). This amounts to 41%. We don’t know how the newcomers would vote. In any case, they did not support the GDP. So 5% is an inflated percentage.
                    And if the garlic, now it will be less
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 January 2018 08: 12
            16
            Quote: dsk
            Cool "businessman" Grudinin cool "businessman" Trump will make a profitable offer and Pavel Nikolayevich will not be able to refuse because of habit.

            You write nonsense from kremlebotskih manuals.
          3. Romey
            Romey 26 January 2018 08: 23
            19
            I don’t know how Pal Nikolayevich, he hasn’t made such proposals yet, but Vladimir Vladimirovich has repeatedly accepted such proposals. So in 2014, Mr. Burkhalter and our all arrived in Moscow by force of habit even without being a businessman, he could not refuse his very advantageous offers. Just like, by virtue of habit, I could not refuse no less favorable offers from WADA and the IOC.
            Py.Sy. Speaking of Trump. Is he a ramp ?! laughing
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 08: 33
          +7
          Quote: vladimirZ
          if Pavel Grudinin wins the election.

          Likely to lose. Although my family and I will vote for him. But we won’t go to the Maidan? wink
          1. Romey
            Romey 26 January 2018 08: 48
            11
            Will not go. Maidan is a phenomenon of a slightly different order. There is no West behind us, generous with money and cookies, no Presidential administration playing against the President, no oligarchy eager to take away and redistribute the tidbits of the economy, no long-term propaganda of Bandera at the state level. In general, Maidan is a critical mass of destructive forces, in the case of the Russian Federation built not on Bandera, but on the demshiz. Our task is different, namely to show the widest possible sections of the population that there is a constructive force that can offer an alternative to both bankrupt Putinism and sub-Western liberals at the time of the onset of total socio-economic, political and possibly military crises that are simply inevitable while maintaining the current course .
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 26 January 2018 22: 15
              +7
              you know, I thought at my leisure: ardent supporters of GDP in their behavior remind me of maydaunov. They, like maydauny, intolerant of other people's opinions, aggressive. A man with his own and different from their opinions is an enemy. They also shout "Ukraine \ Russia ponad mustache", forgetting that people want social justice, prospects. I think that if something happens they will be the first to arrange the Maidan.
              1. Romey
                Romey 26 January 2018 22: 30
                +7
                And so it will be. The same demshiz, only mowing down under the “patriots,” since it is more profitable to cut sheep from this stupid, but naive and rich country. Look here: Nemtsov, Kasyanov, Illarionov, and smaller demons are all smaller, all formerly either Yeltsin’s ministers or Putin’s. Or here's another coincidence. Remember how in 2014 the fishes in the Rada massively began to run across to the side of the Maidan. So, it’s the same with us, if it befits edros, they will profess liberal values ​​in the same crowds, and some especially advanced ones will easily enter into gay marriages on this occasion. If only to cover Bablishko and leave the business woman. However, the same thing will happen if a miracle happens. I can imagine how these guys will rush to look for membership cards of the CPSU and the Komsomol. laughing
          2. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 26 January 2018 08: 50
            +9
            Likely to lose. Although my family and I will vote for him. But we won’t go to the Maidan? - Ingvar 72

            Well, well, at least for Grudinin.
            Now about the "Maidan". What is a "maidan"? If the Maidan is directed by the United States, as in the years 91 and 93, the performance of the bribed masses, we will not go for sure.
            And if by Maidan we understand the speech of people who were disgusted by their hard, hungry lives, who were robbed of oligarchic power, and the masses of working people, it is necessary for the Communists of the Communist Party to go out and lead these actions, turning them into revolutionary events.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 26 January 2018 09: 33
              +2
              Unfortunately the video is blocked or deleted, you can watch it at https://youtu.be/B0BR5RsOzKU
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 10: 29
              +2
              Quote: vladimirZ
              turning them into revolutionary events.

              Yes, I would not want revolutionary events. request
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 26 January 2018 12: 53
                +4
                Yes, I would not want revolutionary events. - Ingvar 72

                Unfortunately, this does not depend on us. Comprador oligarchic circles lead the country to revolution, monopolizing power in the country and robbing the country and people without conscience.
                Autocracy now prevailing in our country, if it does not give up power through elections, to change the ideological course of development of the state, will inevitably lead it to revolutionary events or to chaos. The choice will remain only with the people who will follow the agents from the USA or the patriots - Communists of the Communist Party. In another way. hi
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 20: 36
                  0
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Comprador oligarchic circles are leading the country to revolution,

                  They are not profitable for them, and they are doing everything in the first place. that there would be no revolution.
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  or the patriots-Communists of the Communist Party.

                  The alternative is monarchism. Also patriots. wink
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 27 January 2018 05: 41
                    0
                    Comprador oligarchic circles lead the country to revolution, - vladimirZ
                    They are not profitable for them, and they are doing everything in the first place. that there would be no revolution. - Ingvar 72

                    It does not depend on them. Capitalist greed for profit, robbery in their favor in any situation - this is in their blood, their essence.
                    Remember C. Marx: "Give the capitalist 300% profit, and he will commit any crime."
                    Capitalism is digging a grave for itself, creating revolutionary situations, and if earlier, during the period of the existence of the USSR, they somehow flirted with the working people, with the people, made concessions to them in some kind of social guarantees, now all this is slowly being turned off, and in almost all countries.
                    But in Russia, the capitalists do not know the boundaries, as they sometimes call it, - wild capitalism.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 26 January 2018 22: 08
                0
                Zyugu will come cover, and his party, the neo-revolutionaries, too.
            3. Maverick78
              Maverick78 26 January 2018 10: 38
              +7
              What kind of hungry life are you talking about? Millions of ours work for you and no one complains about hunger. You don’t have work in the district center - go where it is ... there is no work for the head - work with your hands. Raise the Maidan-lose the country ... checked already. And with the country and everything else.
              1. uskrabut
                uskrabut 26 January 2018 12: 07
                +5
                Quote: Maverick78
                Raise the Maidan-lose the country ... checked already.

                I would agree, but you didn’t raise your maidan, unfortunately. Therefore, such losses. You can’t listen to someone else’s uncle during your internal showdowns.
              2. dSK
                dSK 26 January 2018 12: 38
                +2
                Hello Sergey
                Quote: Maverick78
                Raise the Maidan-lose the country ... checked already. And with the country and everything else.
                You’ve already sucked in to the very eyeballs and the corrupt agents of Soros are dragging us into this hole.
                Down with the Revolution! Long live Evolution!
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 26 January 2018 13: 14
                  +2
                  Until loy Revolution! Long live the Evolution! - dsk

                  It would be nice, but revolutions do not depend on the will of the people; they happen and are generated by the state greedy, before the profit and robbery of the state, robbing the people and the country.
                  This is how it is with us, when less than 1% of the population seized more than 90% of the once nation-wide state property in their own pockets, and everything continues and continues to rob, taxing the people with more and more taxes.
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 26 January 2018 22: 19
                  +1
                  evolution will come to the 5th year of the new GDP term when it says, "I'm tired." Then there will be a battle for power!
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 27 January 2018 05: 50
                    0
                    evolution will come to the 5th year of the new GDP term when it says, "I'm tired." Then there will be a battle for power! - Overlock

                    Naive. This will never happen. Putin will hold on to power until the last opportunity, because his departure from power will mean for him a collapse, persecution for what he did as president, for robbing the country, and turning it into a raw materials appendage, with mass impoverishment of the people. And he will have nowhere to hide. In the West, he is "not a handshake."
                    The only way to find some kind of "receiver", like Yeltsin found himself, but then it will not change anything for the people and the country.
                    And indeed, the second time such an option, "transfer of power" instead of elections, may not work. At that time, the people hoped that he was from the KGB, the organ intended to protect the socialist fatherland, and therefore agreed with his choice. Now there is no such hope - there will be the same oligarch from his team who does not have popularity among the people.
              3. Romey
                Romey 26 January 2018 12: 45
                +4
                Quote: Maverick78
                Raise the Maidan-lose the country ... checked already. And with the country and everything else.

                I already wrote above that the Maidan is a phenomenon of a different order than popular outrage or rebellion. The only thing that unites them is the active participation and indifference of the government in their preparation.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 26 January 2018 13: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: romey
                  I already wrote above
                  "Write emelya, your week. " "Human blood is not water!". Workers on the peasants, the "red" on the "white" - no longer ride. Indiscriminate Boys "fans" send to the barricades, and you will "excite" the "claudia" on the table?
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 26 January 2018 13: 23
                    +5
                    Quote: dsk
                    Will you send unsubstantiated boys “fans” to the barricades, and will you “excite” the “claudia” on the table?
                    For this, Navalny is agitating, for whom financing is unknown from where, and on which, quite possibly, part of the Russian oligarchy, whose capitals may undercut the United States, can bet on. Not for nothing that the same Udaltsov, or Strelkov, not so long ago, was called the new Yeltsin
                  2. Romey
                    Romey 26 January 2018 13: 31
                    +5
                    I recall once again the axiom of the classics to create a revolutionary situation:
                    1. Bottoms do not want. (auxiliary condition).
                    2. TOPS CAN NOT. (main condition).
                    In the end: the best causative agent of whatever the power itself is, creating this most important condition. Is that a proverbial lover? Maybe you should not bring the country to it?
                  3. Esoteric
                    Esoteric 28 January 2018 07: 28
                    0
                    Quote: dsk
                    Will you send unsubstantiated boys “fans” to the barricades, and will you “excite” the “claudia” on the table?

                    That is, by this you are saying that we will not see fair elections? belay They go to the barricades when the snickering authorities do not want to “heed” popular opinion, whose mirror of authenticity is a referendum.
                2. Maverick78
                  Maverick78 26 January 2018 18: 44
                  +2
                  You are an idealist)) Our rams also went for all the good) Naive students for a couple of weeks didn’t let different politicians go to their grooms, then they were arranged to be awesome and everything went like clockwork. Too serious opponents play against you. Destroy the country - they won’t let them collect more.
                  1. Esoteric
                    Esoteric 28 January 2018 07: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Maverick78
                    Destroy the country - they won’t let them collect more.

                    The design that falls apart from a small herd of sheep is bad.
          3. Icarus
            Icarus 26 January 2018 14: 00
            +2
            I agree. It is impossible to win by playing with cheaters at the same table. You can only knock over the table. But the time has not come yet.
            1. dSK
              dSK 26 January 2018 16: 27
              0
              Quote: Icarus
              But the time has not come yet
              Waiting for the World Cup “guests” with the next "thirty" and team "face"from" comrade "Soros?
    3. New
      New 26 January 2018 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that a person who made a fortune in a capital system will suddenly begin to struggle with the same system.
      The confusion in your head is complete. Grudinin does not intend to fight small and medium-sized businesses.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I don’t have confidence in GRUDININ.
      And on what basis, if on the above, then the price of your distrust is a penny.
      1. dSK
        dSK 26 January 2018 16: 56
        0
        Hello Misha!
        Quote: New
        Grudinin does not intend to fight small and medium-sized businesses.
        С major topicse. He wants to get into the top ten oligarchs. There is an experience of successful privatization; there is still a lot of “state” land in Russia. Grudinin is as much a communist as Mr. Monster_Fat - ballerina.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 20: 49
          0
          Quote: dsk
          Hello Misha!

          Otkel such awareness if there is no name in the profile? wink
          Quote: dsk
          Grudinin is the same communist as Mr. Monster_Fat - a ballerina.

          Do you know how a fat monster dances? belay Maybe he and he are dancing no worse than Plesetskaya. wink
    4. Alf
      Alf 26 January 2018 21: 49
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I suppose if Grudinin takes second place in the election ... maybe PUTIN will instruct him in the future government to clear the Augean stables ..

      Grudinin would never agree to this. He already said this in one of his speeches.
      Even if Putin appoints Grudinin as prime minister, he will bind him hand and foot. The basis of Putin-friends do not pass. And what can Grudinin under such conditions. And after 2-3 years, Putin will say that Grudinin, as prime minister, did not cope with his tasks, thereby discrediting Grudinin as a politician. After which competitors and Putin will not remain in principle.
    5. Esoteric
      Esoteric 28 January 2018 07: 02
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I do not believe that a person who made a fortune in a capital system will suddenly begin to struggle with the same system... it just doesn't fit into the logic of our power system.

      I also did not believe that the boy whose parent defended the USSR during the Great Patriotic War, who was an October Revolutionary, pioneer, Komsomolets, communist, brought up on socialist morality and the Code of the builder of communism, with such zealous stubbornness will preach the correct idea of ​​accumulating initial capital by any "legitimate" ( it is possible according to laws adopted for the sake of someone) method, and capitalism itself can be represented as a panacea for troubles, in contrast to Karl Marx and his followers. Well, yes - the white flag is in your hands ...
  2. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 06: 18
    14
    There is no excitement about Grudinin’s person. All talk about the presidential candidate is conducted only on the network on 10-12 resources, including VO. For the most part, the people have not even heard this name.
    The central channels talk only about the extreme journey of the "great" through cities and villages. He shows his hugs with the workers. Does the celestial condescend to such hearing human problems. I think NO. Just PR. Other candidates can declare themselves on some small town channels whose audience either limited or specific.
    This is the main feature of a modern elected company
    1. Romey
      Romey 26 January 2018 07: 17
      12
      So it was expected. This is the whole trick of the Yeltsin election system. But what are we on? Putin has the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company, and we have word of mouth, which is also quite powerful media. I can even boast that several people of my friends who have never heard of Grudinin will go to the polls and vote for him. wink
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 07: 39
        17
        I, too, volunteered to carry information about Pavel Grudinin to the masses. Well, at least within the work collective. I won’t gather a large audience, but nonetheless.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 26 January 2018 08: 26
          +4
          Quote: Vladivostok1969
          I, too, volunteered to carry information about Pavel Grudinin to the masses.

          Oh oh And registered specifically for this?
          1. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 09: 53
            +6
            Are you face control?
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              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 20: 51
                0
                Quote: СРЦ П-15
                And I’m such a face on the table!

                And where does so much aggression come from? On the topic is weak? What did Grudinin not please? wink
          2. Esoteric
            Esoteric 28 January 2018 07: 06
            0
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            I, too, volunteered to carry information about Pavel Grudinin to the masses.

            Oh oh And registered specifically for this?

            Bad is not the foreman who does not dream of becoming a marshal, but that marshal who has never been foreman ... laughing
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 26 January 2018 09: 31
      +3
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      There is no excitement about Grudinin’s person. All talk about the presidential candidate is conducted only on the network on 10-12 resources, including VO. For the most part, the people have not even heard this name.
      The central channels talk only about the extreme journey of the "great" through cities and villages. He shows his hugs with the workers. Does the celestial condescend to such hearing human problems. I think NO. Just PR. Other candidates can declare themselves on some small town channels whose audience either limited or specific.
      This is the main feature of a modern elected company

      This is not true. You are either blind or in blinders.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 09: 55
        +3
        I think we are watching one TV (well, at least sometimes).
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 26 January 2018 10: 51
      +3

      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      The hype around the person of Grudinin is not and is not expected.
    4. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 26 January 2018 13: 30
      +3
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      There is no excitement about Grudinin’s person. All talk about the presidential candidate is conducted only on the network on 10-12 resources, including VO. For the most part, the people have not even heard this name.

      An article on this topic has recently been published.
      Leave it unheard. The Kremlin has given a new installation to the main Russian television channels and other federal media in relation to the Communist Party presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin. Now he will be allocated a minimum of airtime. This was reported by the source of FederalPress, close to the leadership of federal channels. According to the interlocutor, Grudinin will be allocated 6 seconds for 40-minute blocks of ether. At the same time, he will be given the first word, and Vladimir Zhirinovsky and Ksenia Sobchak will act as “hammers” hammering nails into Grudinin’s position.
      The source explained that the previous tactics of the Russian media in organizing mass information attacks on the candidate from the Communist Party did not justify itself. Against the background of his coverage, albeit negative, Grudinin's recognition increased several times. State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin is allegedly involved in the change of strategy.
      “Then they were forced to stop, because Volodin intervened in the matter. He told them: “What are you doing? Anti-advertising is also an advertisement. ” Now the decision has been made to give Grudinin on the air in portions, ”the FederalPress interlocutor explained http://fedpress.ru/article/1943159
    5. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 26 January 2018 13: 39
      +9
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      The central channels speak only of the extreme journey of the “great” through cities and villages. His hugs with the workers show. Does the celestial condescend to this having heard human problems.
      Well, in general, there are already a lot of photos with these "workers" And here so in general, with a whole troupe of artists around the country goes
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 28 January 2018 07: 14
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Well, in general, there are already a lot of photos with these "workers"
        And here so in general, with a whole troupe of artists around the country goes

        So whose school? The "one" who "put forward" him, generally with the whole troupe known artists around the country traveled:
  3. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 26 January 2018 06: 25
    11
    Putin does not give up. And mine is in power right now. Leave idle hopes.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 26 January 2018 11: 40
      +3
      right ... the place of the zagrebny on the galley was provided for another 6 years ...
      1. dvvv
        dvvv 26 January 2018 13: 27
        +2
        I'm afraid that he has not rowed in galleys for a long time, but is looking after
  4. EwgenyZ
    EwgenyZ 26 January 2018 06: 28
    +7
    Has something changed in the camp of the "people's nominee"? The situation began to win back to the position of "Putin's victory", with "saving face" - "with the serious success" of Grudinin. That's what the "life-giving administrative resource" does!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 26 January 2018 10: 55
      10
      The scandal with the seizure of the circulation of the Pravda bulletin in Siberia about the presidential candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Pavel Grudinin.
      On January 22, police raided the Communist Party of the Irkutsk Regional Committee, sealed the cabinet with a circulation of the information issue, and put up security at the door.
      The bulletin arrived in the region with a circulation of 240 thousand copies, and since January 19 it has been freely distributed throughout the cities and districts of the region. On the evening of January 22, police arrived at the regional committee. “Two officers came and, referring to the actions of the police of two other regions - Buryatia and the Novosibirsk Region - without presenting any documents, they began to demand from us that we do not distribute the publication and, in fact, allow it to be withdrawn. We did not agree. After all, there is no decision by either the CEC or the regional election committee to recognize the newspaper as illegal propaganda material, ”Rulkov said at a press conference.
      At the end of the press conference in the regional committee brought a document from the regional prosecutor's office with the title "Information on the inadmissibility of breaking the law." It reported: on the eve of the oversight body received a signal from the "apparatus of the plenipotentiary of the President of the Russian Federation in the Irkutsk region" that since January 19, the Pravda newsletter with materials about Pavel Grudinin has been distributed in the region.

      features of the national election campaign
  5. Vard
    Vard 26 January 2018 06: 59
    +5
    One has only to go out of the Internet and immediately there is silence, but grace ... neither to you Sobchak, nor to you Gubina ...
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 January 2018 07: 13
    +1
    Indeed, such an active “fuss” and hostile attacks by the West and in particular the United States (and the results are sometimes not in our favor) before the elections in Russia have not been observed before. I would like the authorities in such cases to show their good capabilities, and not toothless. Let's see how March ends for Russia in terms of new provocations, sanctions and terry Russophobia.
  7. Altona
    Altona 26 January 2018 07: 43
    25
    There was an article yesterday about Putin about how he had done everything well for 18 years. And we ship the wheat, and fertilize the women, and rearm the army. Well, straight, for whatever it took, everywhere the fellow turned out to be. He came to Kazan aircraft building and said: "And let's make a passenger plane out of Tu-160." Well, Nikita Khrushchev became one-on-one, he was also a Tu-104 both as a bomber and as a passenger airliner. And before that, the GDP stated that the USSR did nothing except galoshes. I do not see the future with GDP and, in general, with such a course in the country. It does not look. Politically, he did not grow out of the Yeltsin legacy, but remained there. And this is the day before yesterday.
    PS The Strugatsky brothers once wrote well: The thing is to learn how to dry. They spit in your face, and you wipe yourself. At first I wiped myself with shame, then with bewilderment, and there, you look, you will begin to wipe yourself with dignity and even get pleasure from this process.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 26 January 2018 08: 24
      10
      PS The Strugatsky brothers at one time wrote well: The whole thing is to learn how to wipe oneself off. They spit in your face, and you wipe yourself. At first I wiped myself with shame, then with bewilderment, and there, you look, you will begin to wipe yourself with dignity and even get pleasure from this process.


      This you just noticed ... if you try on the current Olympics and our Olympic sport.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 26 January 2018 09: 35
        +8
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        That you just noticed ... if you try on the current Olympics and our Olympic sport

        As well as diplomacy ...
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 26 January 2018 08: 35
      0
      Well, don’t see, nobody asks you.
      1. Romey
        Romey 26 January 2018 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: EvilLion
        Well, don’t see, nobody asks you.

        But what is freedom better than not freedom? Even Bush, looking GDP into his eyes, saw him as a democrat. And here you are ... brr ... totalitarian. laughing
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 26 January 2018 14: 37
      0
      And we ship the wheat, and fertilize the women, and rearm the army. Well, straight, for whatever it took, everywhere the fellow turned out to be.

      And then you write:
      I do not see the future with GDP and, in general, with such a course in the country.

      So you are an enemy of the people? Then to the wall of you !!! Do you need it when everything is bad ??? Bulk want ?? Or Zhirik, what would make a madhouse across the country and the world ??? !!!
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 26 January 2018 08: 24
    +4
    First of all, it is a conflict of people and elites

    The main thing here is to prevent the situation, the lower classes cannot, and the upper circles do not want to live in the old way.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 26 January 2018 12: 00
      +3
      then the Bolsheviks will definitely win
  9. Loess
    Loess 26 January 2018 08: 29
    +3
    ... with the serious success of Grudinin, as a person at the same time personifying both a nationally oriented business and a socially oriented state policy ...
    By the way, can anyone in the know? At a press conference along with Zyuganov in early January (where he answered about foreign accounts) at about the 24-25 minute, he said that in 15 years they have reduced a third of workers. Did they employ them later or simply cut them? He did not specify somehow. And do Grudinin create jobs? Or are only seasonal workers hired? And another question ... about the accounts (by the way, for some reason he was nervous answering repeatedly the question about accounts). Here he collects money for treatment ... I just don’t have that kind of money, I don’t understand. Here, collecting money for treatment, is it really easier to collect it in bourgeois securities, and not in cash accounts? At that conference, he had a lot of mistakes, but at least on these issues, clarify the situation for me, if anyone knows ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 26 January 2018 09: 23
      +9
      I don’t understand, clarify the situation for me if anyone is in the know.
      you do not understand, and in the know, but blunders noticed.
      And by the way, relatively recently, there were topics of discussion of the accounts of the prosecutor general, the head of government, and the president too. But these are holy people. all hints on their accounts are the machinations of the State Department ...
      1. Loess
        Loess 26 January 2018 10: 13
        +4
        I would not have paid attention to this press conference at all, but they asked me (a supporter of Grudinin, by the way) to look - I looked. About
        accounts of the prosecutor general, the head of government, and the president too
        I do not know. Current affairs speak for the president; they can be treated differently. And to clarify for themselves what constitutes a new candidate for the post of head of state is a completely logical desire.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 26 January 2018 11: 31
          +9
          Current affairs speak for president
          I agree. But it turns out that any candidate is a dark horse. But they undertook to convict, and who are the judges? Neither the attorney general nor the head of government commented on the allegations of foreign accounts. Yes, and the president was blamed at one time, but decided that this was the machinations of the State Department. It means about the stern accounts, these are machinations ...
          1. Loess
            Loess 26 January 2018 12: 03
            0
            I do not convict, I asked me to explain what the catch. With regards to the prosecutor and the head of government, on which you are persistently trying to translate the topic - so they do not break into the presidency. And my vote will not affect their appointment in any way. My vote will affect the choice of the president, so I'm trying to make the right choice. So far, none of Grudinin’s supporters have tried to answer my questions. Except for attempts to transfer the “arrows” to the prosecutor general, the head of government and the president (have I forgotten anyone?). According to the machinations of the State Department and the Stalin’s accounts ... At a press conference, Grudinin was sitting and talking next to Zyuganov, not Jane Psaki.
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 26 January 2018 12: 14
              +4
              the prosecutor and the head of government,
              But you want to vote for the person whose rule such people feel at ease.
              As for Grudinin, yesterday on prime time TV news, they showed a plot of how this "villain" took the land from old people and old women and sent them all away for a long time. That is, tons of dirt will be poured on him before the election and he should report to you?
              My opinion is that Putin for his failed Olympics policy should say: I'm tired, I'm leaving.
              1. Loess
                Loess 26 January 2018 12: 37
                +2
                Yes, you're right, I really tend to cast my vote for the incumbent president. At least because I also feel, albeit not at ease, but quite normal (I live in the province, work at the factory, not a manager, not a “hamster and not a collar”, an ordinary hard worker, the average salary in the region, maybe less, but not more for sure, there are enough problems, too). And I asked my questions based on what Mr. Grudinin personally said, and not according to the plot in the news. I heard your opinion about Putin, I am ready to discuss on this subject, but not earlier than I will hear answers to my questions.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 26 January 2018 13: 30
                  +5
                  I’m ready to discuss this topic, but not before I hear answers to my questions.
                  Well, questions about Grudinin have appeared recently. But Putin avoids all questions. Olympics, kolyizurengoy, trezheris and nabiullina, why the money received from oil was not invested in the development of the country, what are we doing in Syria, why is it a Crimean, but not Donbass? Why are their Putin sanctioned tax free?
                  1. Loess
                    Loess 26 January 2018 13: 58
                    +3
                    You are trying so hard to get away from the answers, referring either to the Olympiad or to the prosecutor, which I suspect - you simply have nothing to say. There was an article about Putin yesterday, where I expressed my opinion. Want to talk about Putin, let's move on to that branch. Then I asked a question about Grudinin, and you answered me "all the wayPutinsil". This is a meaningless dialogue.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 26 January 2018 14: 24
                      +6
                      Quote: Less
                      you just have nothing to tell me

                      Well, you have found with whom to discuss negative
                      Chel stupidly merges your training manual, is it really not visible?
                      1. Loess
                        Loess 26 January 2018 15: 28
                        +3
                        It can be seen, of course. Let others look at it.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 20: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Chel stupidly merges your training manual, is it really not visible?

                        Plus set each other? laughing
                        Do you want to discuss your METHOD with me? wink
                        P.S. Well this is where it’s necessary to lick the modera, for Colonel General ....
                        And actually - from a cat to a dog - like that ... phew!
                    2. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 26 January 2018 16: 03
                      +2
                      on that branch
                      and run on branches? If you have something to say, why not repeat it? As for Grudinin, I said before the election, either believe everything that is dumped on him, or believe it.
                      As for what got into our dialogue, it never answered for what merits and who hung the stars of general for him.
                      1. Loess
                        Loess 26 January 2018 16: 13
                        +1
                        As for Grudinin, I said before the election, either believe everything that is dumped on him, or believe it.
                        I even told you the time at which minute Grudinin himself said the words that interested me, and you - "dumped" ...
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 21: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Less
                        at what minute did Grudinin say the words that interested me, and you - "dump" ...

                        Putin's words diverging from his actions to mention? wink Although you should not hammer in spam! The server will not pull!laughing
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 26 January 2018 22: 15
                        +1
                        Damn from a snuff-box, Grudinin - only for suckers, no program - one soap, even has no idea what big politics is, keeps its money in foreign banks. Which of them is the president - all the more popular.
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 26 January 2018 14: 34
              +1
              Quote: Less
              My vote will affect the choice of the president, so I'm trying to make the right choice.

              Your vote will not affect Putin’s re-election .. Or are you talking about what kind of election?
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 26 January 2018 10: 38
      +2
      [quote = Less] [quote] Here he collects money for treatment ... I just don’t have that kind of money, I don’t understand. Here, collecting money for treatment, is it really easier to collect it in bourgeois securities, and not in cash accounts? . [/ quote]
      Practically any (!!!) course of treatment and any (!!!) an operation using modern techniques and modern equipment can be carried out in Russia and the CIS countries; and not worse, but more often - better than in the notorious "Israel, Germany and France"! Raising money for treatment is the essence of money laundering, feeding PR managers, intermediary banks and foreign clinics. It is no coincidence that there have been so many lately exposures of fraudsters in this topic: from "street volunteers" to media figures (Timur Kizyakov ...).
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 26 January 2018 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: CONTROL
        Almost any (!!!) treatment course and any (!!!) operation using modern techniques and modern equipment can be carried out in Russia

        the main thing is to get a QUOTA
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 26 January 2018 11: 03
          +2
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: CONTROL
          Almost any (!!!) treatment course and any (!!!) operation using modern techniques and modern equipment can be carried out in Russia

          the main thing is to get a QUOTA

          NO QUOTA! with the money raised!
          Only them are not "N-hundred-thousand-euros," but "X-ten-thousand-rubles" ...
  10. EvilLion
    EvilLion 26 January 2018 08: 34
    0
    Ahhhhhh !! We all will die!!
  11. Anatoly Anatoly
    Anatoly Anatoly 26 January 2018 08: 50
    +4
    Just a couple of months ago, no one had ever heard of Grudinin - then the Bulk project was being promoted. As soon as this project failed, the Grudinin project appeared immediately. Coincidence?
  12. BAI
    BAI 26 January 2018 09: 21
    +3
    Russia holds the first presidential election in an open confrontation with the West.

    Not if it’s presidential. And so the Soviet Union and in worse conditions spent.
  13. CONTROL
    CONTROL 26 January 2018 10: 30
    +6
    I looked and read Grudinin's program "20 steps ...".
    None of the items (steps!) Is unclear how to perform! Or they are generally impossible, and a couple are simply destructive! Destroer, panimash ...
    Another adventurer!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 26 January 2018 10: 58
      10
      how do you like Putin’s program? is realistic?
      By the way. He fulfilled his past election promises?
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 26 January 2018 11: 19
        +2
        Quote: Overlock
        By the way. He fulfilled his past election promises?

        En masse ... i einer großen Masse..en masa ... (beyond Portuguese Ne Mayu ...) in bulk, for the most part ...
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 January 2018 22: 20
        +1
        He finished the war in Chechnya - he finished, rearmament the army - rearmament, doubled the GDP - increased twelve times, the economy began to develop - especially agriculture.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 26 January 2018 22: 53
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          doubled GDP - increased twelve times, the economy began to develop - especially agriculture.

          and he defeated goblins and orcs, some of whom he took into his "team" and began to make billionaires of them, together with them he spent OI in his country house, then tore to pieces the economy of mattresses and geyrops, and most importantly showed the Siberian Cranes the way to to the stars. good
          It is only a pity that many of our fellow citizens do not know about this, and beyond the cordons of our country, where Putin’s scam does not broadcast, they don’t know about it at all. crying
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 28 January 2018 11: 39
            0
            GDP increased from 7 trillion rubles and inflation of 20,5% in 2000 to 92 trillion in 2017 with inflation of 2,5%. The forecast for GDP in 2018 - 105 trillion rubles - is developing.
  14. q75agent
    q75agent 26 January 2018 10: 49
    +4
    Quote: NEXUS
    The main thing here is to prevent the situation, the lower classes cannot, and the upper circles do not want to live in the old way.

    worry about the good acquired by excessive labor .... wink
  15. CONTROL
    CONTROL 26 January 2018 10: 53
    +3
    ... comments on the site for the current article ...
    Defenders of Grudinin chest to chest fight with the defenders of Hudinin! ...
    Putin’s supporters list his shortcomings and claims against him - like a bugbear in the liver for Putin’s supporters! ...
    --------------------------------------
    Conclusion: Snickering! It's time to take a course of fasting! two times ... four ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 26 January 2018 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: CONTROL
      Snickering! It's time to take a course of fasting! two times ... four ...

      the main question is WHO got snickered?
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 26 January 2018 11: 27
      +8
      that’s right - “the people got drunk” ... just think that 20% of the population “make ends meet” sometimes can’t make it ...
      and you do not happen from the official prosecutorial-judges ????
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 26 January 2018 11: 30
        +1
        Quote: kepmor
        and you do not happen from the official prosecutorial-judges ????

        But what about! of them...
        TEN YEARS WITHOUT CORRESPONDENCE RIGHT! and away from the keyboard ...
        AND EXTRACT FROM SOFA !!! only a stool! and nothing more ...
        --------------------------------
        (I am from these 20% ... who are there ... in HER! ... your ...)
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 26 January 2018 11: 36
          +1
          Well then, you are a masochist ... I’m not on my way with you ...
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 26 January 2018 11: 40
            +5
            Quote: kepmor
            Well then, you are a masochist ... I’m not on my way with you ...

            No, I'm an experienced engineer.
            An optimist, pessimist and engineer are sitting in a bar, next to them is a mug half full of beer.
            “The glass is half full,” the optimist says.
            “The glass is half empty,” the pessimist says.
            “You are both mistaken,” the engineer says. “The glass is twice as large as necessary.”
            “Nothing of the kind, a glass of the right size with a safety factor of two,” an experienced engineer tells them.
            (C)
  16. groks
    groks 26 January 2018 10: 54
    +4
    What is everyone arguing about? The article is an election campaign. Only much more literate.
    They are trying to convince us that something depends on us, that if you choose one or the other representative of the oligarchs, then everything will work out right away. Half consider a rake one, which has not done anything worthwhile for almost 20 years, the second considers a rake, a huckster jumping out of nowhere. With the same success, Ksyushad can also be recorded in rakers.
    The excitement is observed only in such articles. And so it is all the same for everyone inside the country, and even more so outside.
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 26 January 2018 11: 16
    +4
    Quote: groks
    They are trying to convince us that something depends on us, that if you choose one or the other representative of the oligarchs, then everything will work out right away.

    I think - not so! They are trying to convince you that GDP has reached its climax and is no longer capable of development. The absence of competitors led to stagnation, a familiar phenomenon. If you do not instill an alternative now, then what will happen in the elections in 6 years? Again no alternative?
    1. groks
      groks 26 January 2018 14: 28
      +1
      And what is the apogee? What the hell development - 20 years chewing snot. And what is the alternative - an oligarchocucle to an oligarchocucle?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 January 2018 11: 42
        0
        The best development in all areas and in the defense industry is the same, but the oligarchs - as they were and will remain in their condition, as well as the number will grow - now there are many legal ways to enrich yourself, the more money you have, the more you earn investment contributions, etc.
        1. groks
          groks 28 January 2018 12: 59
          0
          I work in the defense industry. There is no development. They promise the conversion (God forgive me!) And advise you to stay (s).
  18. uskrabut
    uskrabut 26 January 2018 11: 43
    +5
    "No matter how strange it may seem, but with all the external dissimilarity between the presidential campaign in the United States in 2016 and ours in 2018, there may be common features"
    On the central TV channels, Grudinin has already begun to "stoke" in poop. Very similar to the American election with watering Trump poop. One to one!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 26 January 2018 11: 53
      +1
      Russian paradox - offended love more, regret
  19. prior
    prior 26 January 2018 11: 59
    +2
    As long as private ownership of the means of production exists, we will not budge.
    Plowing on the master and increasing productivity - ward number 6.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 26 January 2018 14: 27
      0
      Quote: prior
      Plowing on the master and increasing productivity - ward number 6.

      Plowing yourself, but without private ownership .. You are a genius in the economy.
  20. Petr1968
    Petr1968 26 January 2018 12: 06
    +2
    The country and its leadership face an alternative: either the mobilization of all internal resources, or the surrender and loss of sovereignty

    This country means friends of GDP?)))
    No, in recent years (if you do not take the year of the sharp collapse of the ruble), my life has not changed, on the contrary, it is slowly getting better. The economy has earned, orders have gone ... Sanctions are mostly personal and neither warm nor cold. I also happen to be in Europe - there are no pennies and crusades, the people are friendly ... But the article is about something else. Without Putin, we will all die ... or become slaves ... Go to the polls .... oh sorry ... to re-election ..)) Well, actually ... to suck an article?))) They are at war ... look at the faces of bankers and deputies ... you can clearly see from them, they don’t come out of the fronts)))
  21. Altona
    Altona 26 January 2018 14: 15
    +4
    Quote: romey
    But what is freedom better than not freedom? Even Bush, looking GDP into his eyes, saw him as a democrat.

    ---------------------------
    If we consider Putin as the president of the bourgeois republic, then he works for the "five plus". It works great when compared to Merkel, Macron, May, and is really great compared to Dodon and Trump. But we consider the president as the king, spiritual leader, passionary and compare him with the best - Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Alexander the Third, Lenin and Stalin. And then the GDP goes to a solid “three”.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 26 January 2018 14: 29
      0
      Quote: Altona
      If we consider Putin as the president of the bourgeois republic, then he works for the "five plus". It works great when compared to Merkel, Macron, May, and is really great compared to Dodon and Trump. But we consider the president as the king, spiritual leader, passionary and compare him with the best - Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Alexander the Third, Lenin and Stalin. And then the GDP goes to a solid “three”.

      What are you smoking?))))
    2. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 14: 36
      +5
      My grandmother cried when Stalin died. Mom cried when Brezhnev died (please don’t jerk off) But I don’t want to cry about any of the leaders (neither alive nor dead). It’s just a pity and a shame to look at pensioners delving into garbage bins. retired ........
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 26 January 2018 15: 30
        +3
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        It’s only a pity and a shame to look at pensioners delving into garbage bins.

        I’ll tell you the following ... you come to a travel agency .. and wait half an hour, because pensioners are sitting and choosing trips abroad. Dozens of times so hit. I live in Moscow. As for garbage bins, it’s complete and NOT pensioners in these tanks, not even pensioners even more ... Near my home I did not see ANY pensioner in the tank.
        1. Deniska999
          Deniska999 26 January 2018 15: 35
          +4
          I live in Moscow

          Perhaps the most key in your comment.
        2. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 26 January 2018 16: 36
          +1
          We live and we see different houses. And we walk different roads
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 January 2018 22: 26
            0
            A normal person will not climb into garbage dumps - all those guys who rummage through garbage dumps have a mental deviation and over time they will turn into a homeless person, it's like a drug.
            1. Freeman
              Freeman 27 January 2018 01: 01
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              A normal person will not climb into garbage dumps - all those guys who rummage through garbage dumps have a mental deviation and over time they will turn into a homeless person, it's like a drug.

              I live in Moscow. And in my yard, not homeless people “climb” into the garbage dumps, but healthy middle-aged men. These are those who came to the capital and did not find work. That's it request
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 28 January 2018 11: 44
                0
                And why they did not find work - healthy men.
  22. Altona
    Altona 26 January 2018 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: Petr1968
    What are you smoking?))))

    ----------------------------------
    Smoke apparently you, if already on the "ha ha" breaks. You tie with marijuana, do not consider it a light drug.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 26 January 2018 16: 05
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Smoke apparently you, if already on the "ha ha" breaks.

      Your comments should be equated with light drugs ... obviously they wrote in a changed consciousness) You just re-read it yourself .. or let your friends read it .. and see the reaction.
  23. Altona
    Altona 26 January 2018 14: 36
    0
    Quote: Petr1968
    No, in recent years (if you do not take the year of the sharp collapse of the ruble), my life has not changed, on the contrary, it is slowly getting better. The economy has earned, orders have gone ... Sanctions are mostly personal and neither warm nor cold. I also happen to be in Europe - there are no pennies and crusades, the people are friendly ... But the article is about something else. Without Putin, we will all die ... or become slaves ... Go to the polls .... oh sorry ... to re-election ..)) Well, actually ... to suck an article?))) They are at war ... look at the faces of bankers and deputies ... you can clearly see from them, they don’t come out of the fronts)))

    -----------------------------------
    People write what they see fit. For example, I do not consider these elections and, in general, elections as some kind of instrument. Need a change of course. Yes, now the orders have gone, the industry has earned, but where is the guarantee that this will last a long time?
  24. cedar
    cedar 26 January 2018 17: 22
    +2
    "... The indisputable and convincing victory of Putin, as a guarantor of the stability of the state apparatus and maintaining the course towards protecting the sovereignty of the country, with the serious success of Grudinin, as a person at the same time personifying and nationally oriented business, and socially oriented state policy, may become the key to the formation of a new anti-liberal force. A force that can initiate and realize the much-needed and expected by the people "revolution from above", which would allow avoiding upheavals and leading the country out of a protracted systemic crisis ... "

    The unobtrusive, but explicit agitation of the author for Grudinin is obvious, but unconvincing. Especially in terms of Grudinin's personification of nationally oriented business and socially oriented state policy. Here the author hangs noodles on the ears of everyone with kilograms ...
    See at the root, dear. Grudinin is not a Russia project, this is a US project. But what about such an important matter without them?
    1. Igluxnumx
      Igluxnumx 26 January 2018 20: 01
      +1
      Putin - the guarantor of stability of the state apparatus? Wake up people! He fights this device every hour! Who is the initiator of the management contest? And the creation of schools for gifted children - whose initiative? And most importantly - why is this done? And in order to change the apparatus of managers. All or most of it. And finally: why does the GDP go to the polls as a self-nominated candidate? He gained enormous weight as a politician. and no longer wants to depend on anyone!
      Oh, you analysts.
  25. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 26 January 2018 17: 37
    +4
    Everything is very correct and clear. Only now the "unexpected" appearance of Grudinin was not. But it was that - since 2012, it became clear that the KPRF’s little water and its leader could not overcome the apathy and pessimism of the left-patriotic, predominant, part of the people (electorate). From the left flank and from the National Patriotic organizations and movements, people and thoughts about Consolidation began to come forward. But time passed and the process went difficult. Now we have reached the Land. Next is the abyss. So Grudinin appeared.
  26. Penzyac
    Penzyac 26 January 2018 18: 40
    +3
    Quote: Romulus
    Quote: Stroporez
    Do we even have it?

    Well, actually I'm talking about the same thing. Ext. Russian policy - situational response, without taking into account the future prospects.

    Our domestic policy is a situational response to an even greater extent than foreign policy, and it is also much less adequate to challenges ...
  27. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 26 January 2018 20: 32
    0
    Maverick78,
    Meverich - is Ukraine a burden and economically unsound?
  28. Overlock
    Overlock 26 January 2018 21: 53
    +1
    Quote: groks
    And what is the apogee?

    apogee - in the current situation
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 January 2018 22: 43
      0
      What is this situation?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 26 January 2018 23: 03
        +1
        see below
  29. Overlock
    Overlock 26 January 2018 22: 20
    +2
    Quote: Petr1968
    So you are an enemy of the people? Then to the wall of you !!!

    another exuberant! Orderlies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  30. Overlock
    Overlock 26 January 2018 22: 59
    +2
    Quote: Petr1968
    So if you argue, then give the numbers

    Head of the Accounts Chamber Tatyana Golikova: “So far we have recorded, although not the same as in the previous periods, a high decline in population incomes, but still 1,4% is a rather high indicator. And the number of citizens who are today behind the poverty line is 20,3 million people "

    More on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/ekonomika/4834598
  31. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 27 January 2018 10: 11
    0
    Dear author! I will allow myself a few comments:
    1. Since you mentioned the "dispute of business entities", and this is in some way a stone in my garden, I often use it here, I can assure you that at this stage there is a dispute of the subjects. And the war will be when we see how the schools of the migratory "elite" fly away to the West. Now this will already be the beginning of the war, whether cold or hot, it does not matter.
    2. While highbrow intellectuals are talking not about the homeland but about the “Russia project”, nothing will change in our country! Let’s talk about the Motherland and our place in it!
    3. I'm afraid that the "Grudinin project" is also a Kremlin project, or at least the project is no better than the "Putin" project.
    If a respected author wants to enter into a polemic with me, I will participate with pleasure.
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 27 January 2018 20: 46
    0
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Quote: Stroporez
    This manager is already tired of many, and 15 mlr. from the budget for the maintenance of this citizen a dozen cool.

    Your attempts to denigrate Putin are ridiculous! You are completely and completely entangled in the slings of anti-Putin propaganda. And to get rid of these slings, even the broadsword depicted on your profile picture will not help you! Bottom line: the “earth” is getting closer and the end will be terrible for you - Putin will again become president! tongue
    And I, with a calm soul, go to work!

    Caesar’s - Caesar’s, locksmith - Locksmith, adept - Adept! Flag in hand, a drum on the neck, a locomotive ... to meet! wassat
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 27 January 2018 21: 07
      +4
      Quote: Radikal
      Radikal

      Which does not replace the fact that you (everyone) have fun ... 7 weeks on the calendar.
      And then comes ... sobering up request
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 28 January 2018 10: 22
        +1
        Golovan, in life I do serious things on a sober head, which I also wish you. So there is no question of any sobering speech! wink Everything will be as it will be and nothing else.
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 27 January 2018 23: 05
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Radikal
    Radikal

    Which does not replace the fact that you (everyone) have fun ... 7 weeks on the calendar.
    And then comes ... sobering up request

    Will you hang on the lanterns, as some adherents of Yeltsin suggested in 1991, or with such dogs poison what is in your photo? belay
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 27 January 2018 23: 20
      +3
      Quote: Radikal
      Radikal

      Well, your thoughts ... symptomatically, however what
      Be scared. No one is going to poison and hang anyone, as I understand it, stop
      The dog, by the way, is the cutest. And he’s not for people, he’s for dogs mostly yes
      1. Radikal
        Radikal 28 January 2018 00: 47
        +1
        What a noble company - the dog is right to match the owner! One is mainly for dogs (for people, you need to understand sometimes), the second (according to him) is not going to poison and hang anyone! That is, there will be no death lists? Good pan, and thanks for that! wassat
  34. Radikal
    Radikal 28 January 2018 00: 57
    0
    Quote: Iglu40
    Putin - the guarantor of stability of the state apparatus? Wake up people! He fights this device every hour! Who is the initiator of the management contest? And the creation of schools for gifted children - whose initiative? And most importantly - why is this done? And in order to change the apparatus of managers. All or most of it. And finally: why does the GDP go to the polls as a self-nominated candidate? He gained enormous weight as a politician. and no longer wants to depend on anyone!
    Oh, you analysts.

    Well, yes, and then suddenly a “lieutenant junior, yeah,” peeped out of the bushes and “analyzed” them all at once! belay And here we are the rest boobies-boobies, we can’t figure it out without you! belay And as a famous character from an imperishable work had to say: "What is your last name, thinker - Spinoza, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Marcus Aurelius" ?! wassat tongue
  35. frame5
    frame5 29 January 2018 21: 05
    0
    Gospadi elections again ...
    I remember how on TV they showed some kind of Freemason. Moreover, this open mason, who participated in all the debates, in contrast to Medvedev, who did not appear at any.
    So there was a production - a clown mason collects the negative of voters, the rubber faces of Zyugan and Zhirik take their percentage - and then it turns out that absolutely everyone chose Medvedev, whom no one had seen.
    I will participate in this circus, except if I get paid.