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Top YPG: Russia betrayed the Kurds in Afrin

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Syrian Kurds strongly criticized Russia's position on the Turkish operation in the north of the SAR. Thus, the commander-in-chief of the Kurdish armed detachments of the YPG, Sipan Hemo, stated that "Moscow has entered into an anti-Kurd military alliance with an occupying country - Turkey." Hemo said that Russia "betrayed the Kurds, violating the previously concluded agreements."


The official site of YPG quotes the words of the commander in chief:
Russia had a military mission in Afrin for 2 years. There have been certain agreements. But Russia betrayed us, ignoring all previously concluded agreements. Russia turned out to be a state without principles.


Against this background, a statement appeared in the Kurdish press that Russia and Turkey bear the overall responsibility for attacking Syrian Afrin.

Top YPG: Russia betrayed the Kurds in Afrin


Recall that earlier Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that the United States deliberately provoke Turkey, trying to create non-state "border forces" on the Turkish border. At the same time, Erdogan called the Kurdish troops, supported by the United States, terrorists, firing on the southern provinces of the Turkish state. According to Erdogan, this can no longer continue, and Turkey is launching Operation Olive Branch.

A member of the VTS Executive Committee (Council of Democratic Syria), Hikmat Habib, said that if Turkey does not stop soon, the war will spread to its territory. In turn, Ankara said that this is the American plan - with the help of the most radical Kurds to try to undermine stability in Turkey (primarily in the Kurdish regions) in retaliation for Ankara’s attempt to carry out an independent policy and m The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey declares that such plans of the United States are not destined to come true, even if there “some people really want this.”
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  1. garx
    garx 22 January 2018 16: 54
    +3
    Of the two evils, one must choose the least!
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 22 January 2018 16: 55
      94
      Shmurdy Kurds ... to drive them all away. Each creature bred in pairs and each has its own king in his head with demands on his territory. They were offered autonomy - they refused, and now rake it now. The less "don’t get anyone" there, the easier it will be to clean up.
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 January 2018 16: 57
        57
        Quote: garx
        Of the two evils, one must choose the least!


        It never had to be sold to the United States.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 22 January 2018 17: 11
          63
          Quote: cniza
          It never had to be sold to the United States.

          Autonomy within Syria was the best option, and now the Kurds will fly first from the Turks, then from the Syrians, and then the Iraqis will add, and the United States will only shrug its hands and shout to the whole world about ,,, democracy ,,, .... ....... so let the Kurds eat and thank their (friend) USA.
          1. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 22 January 2018 17: 28
            15
            Yes, and we can fry if they start to spoil, as promised. It will not rust for us, if they do not want good. In general, this has all been going on for a long time. Since the CIA separated some of the Kurds and began to train them, I immediately I realized that there wouldn’t be anything good from this to resolve the Syrian conflict. It happened. I think our analysts have calculated this all long ago.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 22 January 2018 17: 34
              +3
              I think our analysts have all calculated this for a long time.

              They calculated several years ago, but "East is a delicate matter!"
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 22 January 2018 18: 32
                18
                Quote: garx
                Of the two evils, one must choose the least!

                Any traitor justifies himself by this.
                “For almost a year, the Russian military was with us. And now they left us, and we rely only on ourselves, ”Birusk Khasaka, representative of the Kurdish self-defense forces in Afrin, told Kommersant. And the representative of Syrian Kurdistan in Moscow, Rodi Osman, was even more categorical. “What is happening in Afrin, we must ask Russia, which always in its statements emphasizes the need to respect the sovereignty and integrity of Syria, respect for borders. Now, with the approval of Russia, Turkey crosses the border of Syria, violates the sovereignty of the country. What kind of mediation in the settlement after this can be discussed? ” - said "Kommersant" Rodi Osman. And he added: “Afrin is included in the zone of responsibility of Moscow, and the green light given to Ankara is a big mistake.

                For non-initiates, it should be noted that in Afrin there are not about American Kurds, but those who have trusted Russia ...
                1. Pereira
                  Pereira 22 January 2018 19: 07
                  17
                  But supplied by the Americans. It’s weird somehow.
                  1. Misha Honest
                    Misha Honest 22 January 2018 20: 38
                    18
                    Quote: Pereira
                    But supplied by the Americans. It’s weird somehow.

                    In any case, now the Turks are bombing precisely those Kurds who were closest to Syria and Russia, and NOT those who REALLY support the Starship Striped - do not touch ... It's ridiculous. Our screwed up in full. For the umpteenth time.
                    1. Chepa
                      Chepa 22 January 2018 20: 50
                      +2
                      Most importantly, Syria and ours received carte blanche from Turkey for the destruction of an nusra in Idlib. The Americans are controlling the Kurds, and this is a betrayal for us
                      1. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 22 January 2018 21: 02
                        +8
                        Americans rule the Turks in the same way as the Kurds. Do you really think that the Turks will destroy their own militants from Nusra ?! Are you stupid too ?! laughing laughing laughing
                        At the moment, in Syria, they are only destroying forces that could join the Russian coalition. So I'm sad that our suckers are.
                    2. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 29
                      +8
                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      Turks bomb precisely those Kurds who were closest to Syria and Russia

                      There are none in nature.
                    3. poquello
                      poquello 22 January 2018 21: 38
                      11
                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      Turks bomb precisely those Kurds who were closest to Syria and Russia,

                      about how, but I’m reading here - they bombed the airfield of the American supply, maybe you screwed up your post?
                      1. Pereira
                        Pereira 22 January 2018 22: 18
                        +2
                        He probably meant that it was our airfield.
                      2. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 23 January 2018 00: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Turks bomb precisely those Kurds who were closest to Syria and Russia,

                        about how, but I’m reading here - they bombed the airfield of the American supply, maybe you screwed up your post?

                        Have you personally checked whose airport it was? You can write anything in the press ...
                      3. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 23 January 2018 00: 58
                        +1
                        Quote: poquello
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        Turks bomb precisely those Kurds who were closest to Syria and Russia,

                        about how, but I’m reading here - they bombed the airfield of the American supply, maybe you screwed up your post?

                        The answer is a little higher. I decided to answer both questions at once. )
                      4. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 23 January 2018 20: 59
                        0
                        Quote: poquello
                        about how, but I’m reading here - they bombed the airfield of the American supply, maybe you screwed up your post?

                        How do I know whose airfield, in my post there is not a word about it, it’s you screwed up with a mess.
                    4. Pereira
                      Pereira 22 January 2018 22: 16
                      +2
                      Yes Yes. Yet they know there are all witnesses to the KhPP. They can’t screw it up. It’s just not clear why the Americans of these suckers are wandering around? Fools, probably?
                    5. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 23 January 2018 02: 42
                      +2
                      Quote: Misha Honest
                      For the umpteenth time.

                      recourse recourse recourse Once again, tell ?? !!! what what wassat laughing laughing and tell us how, with repeated craps, they conquered most of Syria back !!! wink yes wassat wassat
                      1. MadCat
                        MadCat 23 January 2018 05: 54
                        +3
                        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                        tell us how, with repeated craps, they conquered most of Syria back !!!

                        so much, most of the desert was conquered.
                      2. Misha Honest
                        Misha Honest 23 January 2018 10: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        Quote: Misha Honest
                        For the umpteenth time.

                        recourse recourse recourse Once again, tell ?? !!! what what wassat laughing laughing and tell us how, with repeated craps, they conquered most of Syria back !!! wink yes wassat wassat

                        Actually, I did not mean only Syria ... But I remembered an example in Syria - Palmyra.
                2. Foundling
                  Foundling 22 January 2018 19: 09
                  33
                  When did they manage to confide? They were also offered to recognize Bashar as the central authority and let his troops into Afrin. They rejected the offer. States thought to harness for them. Now whine something? Let them run to their American patrons as planned.
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 22 January 2018 19: 13
                    +7
                    Well, the deal failed. The Kurds said we do not trade independence. The Russian Federation was offended. Now you have to keep the answer.
                    1. anjey
                      anjey 22 January 2018 19: 49
                      15
                      What the hell is independence there, they still have to lie under someone, although they climbed into the United States, like you Israelis, with their virtual independence, you just have a very, very rich diaspora across the ocean, so many of your mucks come to you from your dirty and bloody hands ....
                      1. Shahno
                        Shahno 22 January 2018 19: 58
                        +1
                        And you don’t think about where the Russian lobby is in the Senate, and not only in the European Union? Why do we manage not to lie under the states, as you say, and you are constantly spread rot ...
                3. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Stas157
                  For non-initiates, it should be noted that in Afrin there are not about American Kurds, but those who have trusted Russia ...

                  Yeah, the Kurds are friends of Russia, right after the Poles ....
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 21: 50
                    +6
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Quote: Stas157
                    For non-initiates, it should be noted that in Afrin there are not about American Kurds, but those who have trusted Russia ...

                    Yeah, the Kurds are friends of Russia, right after the Poles ....

                    Not at all...
                    Just a stas (and a couple more stas ... they have here, a campaign, a nest) grabs at any occasion to impose on the perimeter (I will not say what) the order and power existing in the Russian Federation yes
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 23 January 2018 17: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Just stas

                      It’s just that Stas once insisted (arguing) with me that the Kurds would soon create an independent state of Kurdistan! It's a shame to him, he’s got into trouble again! Well, the United States should have been bombed by the DPRK crying
                  2. MadCat
                    MadCat 23 January 2018 05: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Yeah, the Kurds are friends of Russia, right after the Poles ....

                    Well, now they will definitely know who is to blame for everything, and it will not even be Turkey, the Russians will be to blame for everything (as it usually happens), the US multi-way is a success.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 23 January 2018 09: 42
                      +5
                      Quote: MadCat
                      they will definitely know who is to blame for everything

                      You see ... dead ... knowledge is not needed.
                      And those who survive will quickly grow wiser yes
                      Quote: MadCat
                      Mnogohodovochka USA failed

                      In your dreams, exclusively.
                4. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 22 January 2018 22: 24
                  10
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Quote: garx
                  Of the two evils, one must choose the least!

                  Any traitor justifies himself by precisely this ............ For those who are not initiated, it should be noted that in Afghanistan there are not about American Kurds, but those who have trusted Russia ...
                  Open the cookbook and see what puff pastry is. That's about the same thing there. The Kurds are “correct” (as interpreted by the Russian Federation, Syria, Iran and Turkey), and the “wrong” Kurds are used by the United States. The Kurds (right and wrong) agreed between themselves and proceeded to actively milking both opponents of the United States and the United States themselves, thereby strengthening their financial capabilities and increasing their weapons arsenal. Naturally, such a position of the Kurds was beneficial only to one side, the United States, which fueled the interest of the Kurds in creating an independent Kurdistan, and therefore to the continuation of hostilities in the interests of the United States. So, no one has betrayed the Kurds. They were offered autonomy, and they started a double game. Now they are a little “candelabrum” and will offer the game according to the new rules.
                5. Grits
                  Grits 23 January 2018 06: 06
                  +2
                  in Afghanistan are not about the American Kurds, but those who trusted Russia ...
                  If they trusted Russia, they would accept the conditions that Russia had offered them before the Turkish invasion. But they trusted the USA more. Now let the Americans protect them now. From which hangover should our guys defend traitors and cunning "two-vector" ones?
                6. gafarovsafar
                  gafarovsafar 23 January 2018 08: 14
                  0
                  Well, right now, that's right what the Russians will say, then they will do
              2. dorz
                dorz 22 January 2018 18: 39
                +4
                The Kurds are fighting on the side of EVIL, so they paid.
            2. Monos
              Monos 22 January 2018 17: 40
              12
              Russia and Turkey share a common responsibility for striking Syrian Afrin.

              laughing Again A. Merov outplayed. Well, just kids! ... Stupid, evil kids.
              1. cniza
                cniza 22 January 2018 17: 48
                +3
                Victor hi , I would say which children are banned. lol
                1. Monos
                  Monos 22 January 2018 18: 00
                  +6
                  Quote: cniza
                  Victor hi , I would say which children are banned. lol

                  Shhh .... Let's not wake Evil. laughing
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 22 January 2018 18: 06
                    +5
                    Unfortunately, it never sleeps, this goodness is napping constantly.
                  2. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 18: 19
                    +4
                    Quote: Monos
                    And we also poke there, poke around ...

                    Duc like there Karabas-Barabas said: "Yes, I'm ready for meanness!" soldier
              2. Nehist
                Nehist 22 January 2018 22: 40
                +1
                What did you beat? They need a source of an unstable situation there, and so they created it again. Now, instead of ISIS, there will be Kurds. So you can generally forget about peace in that region for a very long time. Moreover, the Kurds, for all their differences, are not bad fighters
                1. Monos
                  Monos 22 January 2018 23: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: Nehist
                  They need a source of unstable environment there.

                  Not certainly in that way. They would have been quite comfortable with stability in the area if it had been controlled by the Kurds, who, in turn, were controlled by them. They would also be happy if instability arose because of our disagreements with the Turks. They received neither one nor the other. smile
            3. Scoun
              Scoun 22 January 2018 22: 37
              +2
              Quote: Mar. Tira
              Since the CIA separated some of the Kurds and began to train them, I immediately realized that there would be nothing good from this to resolve the Syrian conflict.

              And where was it otherwise?
              Maydown ruins, people wanted the best and they were led by a bunch of rabble with support from the USA, rabble won and rode on the shoulders of the herd into the now-sacred slaughterhouse.
              Lavrov today oh hard but clearly said, sorry did not add his famous - De *** s bl *. But to those Middle Eastern glavnyuk who believed the United States.
              PS.
              I sincerely respect the Kurds for their rejection, but politics ..... such a cesspool.
            4. Omskgasmyas
              Omskgasmyas 23 January 2018 08: 40
              0
              We don’t need to fry anyone now.
              It is enough just to turn away when the Turks are frying.
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 22 January 2018 19: 52
            +2
            Quote: Pirogov
            Quote: cniza
            It never had to be sold to the United States.

            Autonomy within Syria was the best option, and now the Kurds will fly first from the Turks, then from the Syrians, and then the Iraqis will add, and the United States will only shrug its hands and shout to the whole world about ,,, democracy ,,, .... ....... so let the Kurds eat and thank their (friend) USA.


            Xep canine, not autonomy to them. The path requires autonomy on the territory of the United States of Tan. It was necessary to dump good on the side when offered. and now let them not whine.
          3. Spnsr
            Spnsr 22 January 2018 21: 24
            +1
            Quote: Pirogov
            Quote: cniza
            It never had to be sold to the United States.

            Autonomy within Syria was the best option, and now the Kurds will fly first from the Turks, then from the Syrians, and then the Iraqis will add, and the United States will only shrug its hands and shout to the whole world about ,,, democracy ,,, .... ....... so let the Kurds eat and thank their (friend) USA.

            Strange, but what does Russia have to do with it?
            Campaign theme for inciting Russophobia, as in Europe?
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 14
          21
          Not everyone understands that “being friends” with mattresses is tantamount to sticking a hand in the mouth of a lion ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 22 January 2018 17: 18
            14
            Now let them think about their asses, but there the main goal is to squeeze the United States out and better with the hands of Turkey, and then we will resolve.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 20
              +9
              Quote: cniza
              squeeze USA

              It is so easy not to expel these dwellers from Syria - they themselves directly say that they are in no hurry to leave.
              1. cniza
                cniza 22 January 2018 17: 23
                14
                This is an over task, we just don’t know much, but only intuitively can we assume that these events are part of the US squeeze operation.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 28
                  +8
                  God grant that so. As the saying goes: "Difficult, but possible!" .
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 22 January 2018 17: 30
                    +8
                    If they are not removed from there, they will foment war again and again.
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 36
                      +5
                      Well, yes, they start a war very well, go to their grandmother ... am
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 22 January 2018 17: 37
                        +4
                        This is their meaning of life, otherwise they will disappear.
                    2. Monos
                      Monos 22 January 2018 17: 44
                      +6
                      Victor, Pasha, my respect! hi
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      It’s so easy not to expel these dwellers from Syria

                      Sami will leave. As soon as they debit the credit, they will leave. yes
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 46
                        +4
                        Greetings, friend! hi
                        Quote: Monos
                        As soon as they read a debit with a loan, they will leave

                        Yeah, moshna is a sore spot for mattresses. yes
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 22 January 2018 17: 49
                        +7
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        sore spot mattresses

                        And we also poke there, poke around ... laughing
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 22 January 2018 17: 50
                        +2
                        Hi Teska! hi , but for this we must try to have a negative balance.
                      4. cniza
                        cniza 22 January 2018 17: 55
                        +3
                        Quote: Monos
                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        sore spot mattresses

                        And we also poke there, poke around ... laughing


                        And pour salt.
                      5. Monos
                        Monos 22 January 2018 18: 10
                        +9
                        Quote: cniza
                        but for this we must try to have a negative balance

                        And they already have a negative one: they didn’t receive Syrian oil, they didn’t allow them to extend a gas pipeline from Qatar, thanks to the Syrian company, the balance in the arms market is changing, etc.
                    3. MadCat
                      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 03
                      0
                      Quote: cniza
                      If they are not removed from there, they will foment war again and again.

                      How to remove? Another crematorium to build what Assad did? I think the Kurds will sooner or later understand that they must have their own state that will protect them, and for which they will be ready for anything ... otherwise, either Turks or Assad with a crematorium.
                      1. anjey
                        anjey 23 January 2018 15: 54
                        0
                        or "friends of the peoples" of the United States with Israel, vilely driving, poor Kurds zombied by independence, under Turkish bombs and shells ..., their salvation autonomy within Syria ....
                  2. Antianglosax
                    Antianglosax 22 January 2018 21: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    God grant that so. As the saying goes: "Difficult, but possible!" .

                    It’s nothing difficult to level the places of dislocations of amerian degenerates with sand and calmly watch how the survivors show speed records for escaping from Syria.
              2. Warrior with machine gun
                Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 17: 30
                12
                there are as many coffins covered with mattresses as in Vietnam and they themselves will run repeat Good day, Pasha))
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 33
                  +8
                  Hi Zhenya! hi
                  Quote: Warrior with machine gun
                  there are as many coffins covered with mattresses as in Vietnam and they themselves will run

                  I myself am a kind sadist by nature, and therefore respect those who are. drinks
                  1. Warrior with machine gun
                    Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 17: 39
                    +8
                    Well, not to say that I am very sadistic, but I know the pain points of the American dog well, but I need to use this, on the other hand we hope for leniency and mercy in which case we don’t have to at all, well then in a war as in a war)) drinks
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 43
                      +5
                      Quote: Warrior with machine gun
                      on the other hand, we are hoping for leniency and mercy in which case we don’t have to

                      Absolutely right! Nothing good should be expected from mattresses. They sleep and see the collapse of Russia, as before the USSR.
                      1. Warrior with machine gun
                        Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 17: 45
                        +7
                        makes his way through me stronger, they sleep and see this territory of their own and without us at all.
                  2. BARKHAN
                    BARKHAN 22 January 2018 19: 25
                    +4
                    Quote: bouncyhunter
                    good sadist

                    This is of course a masterpiece! good hi
                    Is it like picking with a gentle smile with a screwdriver in the enemy’s ear?
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 19: 45
                      +3
                      Greetings, Sergey! hi As there in the "Police Academy" the inscription on the jacket was: "Death from crowbar in the ear." lol
                      1. Warrior with machine gun
                        Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 20: 41
                        +3
                        Pasha, there was also a prophetic inscription on a telephone box, and on our not censored one))
                2. Grits
                  Grits 23 January 2018 06: 25
                  +3

                  Being a guest is good, but being at home is better...
          2. vlad66
            vlad66 22 January 2018 17: 28
            28
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Not everyone understands that “being friends” with mattresses is tantamount to sticking a hand in the mouth of a lion ...

            Zdarova Pasha! drinks hi Assad suggested that the Kurds bring their troops into Afrin, the Kurds proudly refused, but they would receive weapons from the United States and others well and would have fought well, so each king has his own king, and now howled. It would be better if both of them would pile up a friend good friend, that is still a sweet couple. drinks
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 35
              +8
              Vlad, big boules! hi drinks That's right, it is necessary for the Kurds to translate into their language our proverb about a crooked face and a mirror.
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 22 January 2018 17: 43
                +8
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                it is necessary for the Kurds to translate into their language our proverb about a crooked face and a mirror.

                Well, when the Kurds surrounded Allepo last year, they squeezed out several villages and that’s all their help.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 48
                  +7
                  I just can’t understand: do Kurds still believe in American carrots about Kurdistan? request
                  1. Omskgasmyas
                    Omskgasmyas 23 January 2018 08: 44
                    0
                    This is the dream of many generations of Kurds.
                    Maybe they no longer believe, but still hope.
          3. Shahno
            Shahno 22 January 2018 17: 38
            +2
            Friendship is dangerous. And use, most of all, a rich country all the same ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 17: 50
              +7
              Namesake hi
              Quote: Shahno
              And use, most of all, a rich country all the same ...

              Remember the proverb about the bird and its claw? wink
            2. Incvizitor
              Incvizitor 22 January 2018 20: 37
              0
              rich country all the same ...

              It is quite influential in the BV and their army is still good, it’s a sin not to use it ...
          4. poquello
            poquello 22 January 2018 18: 07
            +5
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Not everyone understands that “being friends” with mattresses is tantamount to sticking a hand in the mouth of a lion ...

            Pash, such a lion ?, such a jaw ?, this is the same
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 22 January 2018 18: 22
              +3
              Hi Oleg ! hi I put it inaccurately, but you corrected me. lol
          5. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 23 January 2018 02: 49
            0
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Not everyone understands that “being friends” with mattresses is tantamount to sticking a hand in the mouth of a lion ...

            along the way, the Kurds consider themselves so smart that they thought of the scheme "we will be friends with amers, and with serious hippish we will accuse Russia of betrayal" ... they say, such a crap ride !!! request wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        3. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 17: 29
          14
          Quote: cniza
          It never had to be sold to the United States.

          yeahhh, hard to sit on 2 chairs - the seat is moving apart
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 22 January 2018 17: 35
            +5
            Quote: Angel_and_Demon
            it’s hard to sit on 2 chairs - the seat is moving apart

            Not only does he get apart, you can also o.chk..o break, but this is quite shameful. laughing
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 17: 37
              +6
              so they are tearing them now, and they are screaming
          2. cniza
            cniza 22 January 2018 17: 38
            +2
            So get it in full.
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 17: 40
              +6
              nothing personal - a jackal, or when he does not become a tiger
              1. cniza
                cniza 22 January 2018 17: 51
                +2
                If only in a dream, it will be a small mongrel.
          3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 January 2018 18: 08
            +1
            Ah, the rolls are moving apart, and then the Turks! lol
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 18: 15
              +5
              Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
              Ah, the rolls are moving apart, and then the Turks! lol

              and they are so active
              1. cniza
                cniza 22 January 2018 20: 51
                +1
                And very hot.
        4. You Vlad
          You Vlad 22 January 2018 17: 52
          +8
          Quote: cniza
          It never had to be sold to the United States.

          Well, they have claims: entered into an alliance with Turkey belay This is in practice, like we should protect them from the Turks belayNo, you’re independent boys and have a claim to your own state! Assad is not a decree for you, we’ll see how you and the Turks exhaust each other, and we hope that the Turks will miss and accidentally cover one of the Amer’s bases.
          1. karish
            karish 22 January 2018 18: 01
            13
            Quote: You Vlad
            Well, they have claims: they entered into an alliance with Turkey. This is in practice, like we should protect them from the Turks. No, you are independent boys and have a claim to your own state!

            Actually, Afrin was in the de-escalation zone.
            It contained both the Russian contingent and the headquarters for coordination of the Russian Defense Ministry,
            Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds in the event of an end to the armed confrontation with Assad.
            The Kurds fulfilled their part of the agreement, but Russia simply surrendered them.
            That's why they appeared
            1. Kurdish betrayal statement
            2. Assad’s statement about Turkey’s aggression in Syria and therefore the same Assad made it possible to transport Kurdish reinforcements through the territories it controlled.
            1. ultra
              ultra 22 January 2018 18: 07
              +6
              Quote: karish
              Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds

              Yes, you sho? wassat And where is it recorded?
              1. karish
                karish 22 January 2018 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: ultra
                Quote: karish
                Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds

                Yes, you sho? wassat And where is it recorded?

                The agreement on the establishment of de-escalation zones in Syria is an exam for countries involved in the process of resolving the Syrian crisis, said the head of the Damascus delegation at the talks in Astana, Bashar al-Jaafari, in an interview with RT.
                “This arrangement is an exam. Exam for countries involved in the process of resolving the Syrian crisis. An exam that will let you know how these parties, or part of them, or all, or half, or a quarter of them are ready to fulfill this agreement or not. Either we read poetry at such meetings, or we have a serious political conversation and fulfill political obligations, ”he said.

                Al-Jaafari recalled that the parties agreed on a time limit of six months under this agreement.

                “During these six months we will judge this. Is it carried out by the three guarantor parties, first of all the Turkish side, for the other two countries - Iran and Russia - have been fighting terrorism at the request of the Syrian government, while Turkey has been helping terrorists for years, ”he said.
                1. user1212
                  user1212 22 January 2018 18: 41
                  14
                  Quote: karish
                  Arrangements for the establishment of de-escalation zones

                  Syrians bombing Kurds? No. Russian Aerospace Forces bombing? No. Did the Kurds recognize Assad? No. Where is it written that the Syrians or the Russian Federation pledged to fight for "Independent Kurdistan"? Nowhere. What are the claims?
                  1. karish
                    karish 22 January 2018 18: 53
                    +4
                    Quote: user1212
                    Syrians bombing Kurds? No. Russian Aerospace Forces bombing? No. Did the Kurds recognize Assad? No. Where is it written that the Syrians or the Russian Federation pledged to fight for "Independent Kurdistan"? Nowhere. What are the claims?

                    there are guarantors
                    Turkey Russia . Iran.
                    Iran protests
                    Russia - faded
                    Turkey - Bombs
                    Guarantors laughing
                    1. Foundling
                      Foundling 22 January 2018 19: 20
                      +8
                      They did not let Assad's regular army into Afrin, as our peacekeepers suggested. And how to protect them?
                      1. Antianglosax
                        Antianglosax 22 January 2018 21: 54
                        +8
                        Do not mark the beads, dear, the Jews simply troll, carrying complete nonsense. This is due to them as a result of hutspa, insolvency and animal fear of inevitable destruction.
            2. cniza
              cniza 22 January 2018 18: 09
              +6
              There was no need to sell the United States, sorry for the replay, and Russia had to choose from two evils.
            3. vlad66
              vlad66 22 January 2018 18: 33
              14
              Quote: karish
              Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds in the event of an end to the armed confrontation with Assad.

              With Assad, with Assad, dear especially for you. You yourself answered your own question, the rest is blah blah blah. hi
            4. Foundling
              Foundling 22 January 2018 19: 12
              +8
              When did they manage to confide? They were also offered to recognize Bashar as the central authority and let his troops into Afrin. They rejected the offer. States thought to harness for them. Now whine something? Let them run to their American patrons as planned
            5. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 22 January 2018 19: 34
              12
              Quote: karish
              Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds in the event of an end to the armed confrontation with Assad.

              And in the case of the creation of a pro-American army and the defense of American interests? And against whom are the Americans planning to use armed Kurds?
              Stop wailing for American interests.
              First, ISIS was rolled out. Now we are rolling the nusra. The Turks started rolling the Kurds ahead of time. Then the Syrians will roll the weakened Kurds. There will come a time of moderate different stripes.
              Now the Kurds will start acts on the territory of Turkey itself and the Turks will have a unique opportunity to quietly close the Kurdish question once and for all ... Well, or to fall apart in case of failure ...
            6. You Vlad
              You Vlad 22 January 2018 19: 43
              +2
              Quote: karish
              Russia guaranteed peace and tranquility to the Afrin Kurds in the event of an end to the armed confrontation with Assad.

              That is, we promised them that we wouldn’t touch them, and we and Assad? So? Or did we promise them that we would cover them from Turkey? They didn’t get anything wrong? So they have the roof of the USA! Let them ask them!
            7. KaPToC
              KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 33
              +1
              Quote: karish
              The Kurds fulfilled their part of the agreement, but Russia simply surrendered them.

              Is the supply of American weapons also “strictly agreed”?
        5. ispaniard
          ispaniard 22 January 2018 20: 39
          +8
          -Well, did your Yankees help you Kurd? ...

          Is Russia always to blame? Yeah ... belay
        6. Solomon Kane
          Solomon Kane 23 January 2018 00: 38
          +3
          Deserved - Get it !!!!
          Victor, salute!
          Deserved - this is WE! With their foreign policy, expressing only "Concern." Kurds, just people, without a country, without a homeland and a flag, present Russia, their own school in the "division of the coast." No.
          As one competent politician noted, our foreign policy allowed EVERYONE not only to speak boorishly with Russia, but also to behave boorishly .....
          In communication with the “gopniks,” it’s an empty matter to call on them for prudence and constructive dialogue, you have to beat right away and the stronger, the better ......
          They let the topic down with our diplomats and property in the United States, everything was limited to the extremely "liquid" restrictions of the American diplomatic corps, and they also "washed" in other foreign policy issues ......
        7. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 23 January 2018 09: 57
          0
          They themselves chose their path, to be on a string near the striped. And why now blame Russia?
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 17: 03
        22
        the Kurdish dog completely beguiled, Russia promised something to these mattresses? Let them cry to Fashington, they are not clear in what country they were hired by them in the "border" army.
      3. 210ox
        210ox 22 January 2018 17: 56
        +5
        But why didn’t their sponsors help? Striped uncles? Our Kurds didn’t commit themselves to protect. Moreover, they decided to chop off a piece of territory. About the Turks this is another song ..
        Quote: maxim947
        Shmurdy Kurds ... to drive them all away. Each creature bred in pairs and each has its own king in his head with demands on his territory. They were offered autonomy - they refused, and now rake it now. The less "don’t get anyone" there, the easier it will be to clean up.
      4. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2018 19: 36
        0
        Quote: maxim947
        They were offered autonomy - they refused,

        Where does the information come from?
        = The less there will be "do not understand who =" These "do not understand who" are the Kurds - the main population of the province.
        If the world community enabled the Kurds to create their own state, then both in terms of area and population, this would be a rather large state-house. But, as I understand it, their time has not come yet.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 22 January 2018 16: 57
      +5
      Erdogan, the son of a donkey and a jackal, Kasyachit himself and Russia pulls into a harlot
      1. mihey
        mihey 22 January 2018 17: 12
        14
        And what is Erdogan mowing? Turks cleanse the territory of elements that are considered terrorists. Israel also presses Hezbollah, wherever it catches. Also a jamb? So with the filing of merikatos - this is the norm in modern international relations (that way since 1991). Terrorists and dictators can be watered anywhere, anytime. It is a pity that ours do not.
        1. serg999
          serg999 22 January 2018 17: 32
          +5
          Why don't they do this? Also wet in the outhouse. And not bad.
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 22 January 2018 17: 39
          +4
          Quote: mihey
          Turks cleanse territory from elements considered terrorists

          Keyword "count them.". The states and Russia consider the number one evil in the world, and so what? They all stand each other there, so let them sort it out. And Russia signed only for Assad, with whom he has certain agreements that he does not violate.
        3. Normal ok
          Normal ok 22 January 2018 17: 39
          +6
          Quote: mihey
          Turks clear territory from elements

          Alien notice someone else's territory, cleans from the citizens of this territory.
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 January 2018 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Normal ok
            Quote: mihey
            Turks clear territory from elements

            Alien notice someone else's territory, cleans from the citizens of this territory.

            far from walking
            Since July 11, 2012 it is controlled by the Kurdish militia YPG and is part of the Syrian Kurdistan (Rojava).
          2. woron333444
            woron333444 22 January 2018 19: 59
            +3
            Normal ok If citizens do not recognize their state (Syria), then these are not citizens of their country. And who will water them or the Syrians or Turks themselves are already indifference. They are bandits on this earth. And the bandits must be destroyed.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2018 19: 45
              0
              Quote: woron333444
              If citizens do not recognize their state (Syria), then these are not citizens of their country

              And who told you this nonsense? Kurds are asking for autonomy. Turkish padis fears autonomy of Syrian Kurds. Because it is a precedent. Turkish Kurds will also require autonomy for themselves. Does Padishah need it? Hence the operation in Afrin.
              1. poquello
                poquello 23 January 2018 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Quote: woron333444
                If citizens do not recognize their state (Syria), then these are not citizens of their country

                And who told you this nonsense? Kurds are asking for autonomy. Turkish padis fears autonomy of Syrian Kurds. Because it is a precedent. Turkish Kurds will also require autonomy for themselves. Does Padishah need it? Hence the operation in Afrin.

                and who told you this nonsense? the Kurds said that Afrin, etc. like their country is independent, with this approach, their Turks are hammering, and that they are not hammering, let the Syrians finish what is also right, and all the questions to the organizer of the United States are Kurdistan, the Americans have beaten them up to this stupid thing and demand
            2. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 23 January 2018 23: 46
              0
              Quote: woron333444
              Normal ok If citizens do not recognize their state (Syria), then these are not citizens of their country. And who will water them or the Syrians or Turks themselves are already indifference. They are bandits on this earth. And the bandits must be destroyed.

              How are the inhabitants of Donbass?
              1. poquello
                poquello 24 January 2018 02: 59
                +1
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                Quote: woron333444
                Normal ok If citizens do not recognize their state (Syria), then these are not citizens of their country. And who will water them or the Syrians or Turks themselves are already indifference. They are bandits on this earth. And the bandits must be destroyed.

                How are the inhabitants of Donbass?

                Donbass residents do not recognize the junta that seized power in Ukraine as a result of the coup, asisy?
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 24 January 2018 20: 33
                  0
                  poquello Donbass residents do not recognize the junta that seized power in Ukraine as a result of the coup

                  In the SAR, the pope of the current president has never been a beacon of democracy ...
                  But in the 1963 year, the Baathists themselves made a military coup, not only in Syria, but also in Iraq. One of the leaders of the coup was Hafez al-Assad - the father of the current president of Syria - Bashar. In the new government, Assad was appointed commander of the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense, but three years later he became one of the organizers of the new coup, after which he received the post of Minister of Defense of the country.
                  But Hafez al-Assad did not stop there, and in 1970 he made another military coup in Syria. Now he became the sole ruler of the country and proclaimed himself Secretary General of the Ba'ath Party.
                  The Assad coup came as a complete surprise to the Ba'athists, and soon a split occurred in the party - it split into Syrian and Iraqi branches. Thus, the party’s original idea - the unification of all Arabs - was buried under the ambitions of party leaders who became dictators in their countries. But the revolutionary policy of Assad came to taste in the USSR. In addition, in his youth, Assad studied military art precisely in the Soviet Union and after his victory in Syria, the Ba'ath party was long considered a friend and ally of the CPSU - hence the "long-term special and warm relations of the Russian and Syrian peoples."
                  Source: site free-rupor.ru

                  hang out?

                  Disease did not get sick, heal, nervous diseases they are ....
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 24 January 2018 21: 35
                    0
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    In the SAR, the pope of the current president has never been a beacon of democracy ...
                    But in 1963, the Baathists themselves carried out a military coup

                    )))))))))))))) and in April 1775 the British were attacked by the colonists,
              2. woron333444
                woron333444 24 January 2018 05: 47
                +1
                A coup has taken place in Ukraine, and legal power in Syria.
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      2. garnik
        garnik 22 January 2018 17: 31
        +3
        Erdogan, the son of a donkey and a jackal, Kasyachit himself and Russia pulls into a harlot

        This is closer to the truth. Only soon ours willfully climb into this harlot.
        The only thing pleases the confrontation between the Turks and the Kurds. And if this is Putin's move, then this is aerobatics. I would like to believe in it. Yes, the Kurds report that they destroyed 4 Turkish tanks.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 22 January 2018 18: 46
          +5
          Quote: garnik
          The only thing pleases the confrontation between the Turks and the Kurds. And if this is Putin's move, then this is aerobatics. I would like to believe in it. Yes, the Kurds report that they destroyed 4 Turkish tanks.

          Well, the joy that a cow died from a neighbor is gloating (to rejoice at the evil, that is, the negative). It’s bad that in general this happens when peace and trying are needed, and conflicts begin.
          And this is not Putin’s move, but the merit of the Americans because Turkey is shattered for its attacks on the USA and Europe by the hands of well-fed Kurds, but Russia doesn’t need this conflict because the less pain points for Assad, the better for everyone as long as there is ISIS and other moderate ones on the territory Syria.
          The situation is very bad in terms of the fact that if the Turks occupy these territories, then you’ll smoke their horseradish from there, except for the next Syrian war with Turkey (it is again beneficial for the states). If the Kurds remained there until the end of the war in Syria, then in the end they would have taken up thoroughly when the troops are ready to squeeze the Kurds just in case (but they can agree to lovingly transfer the territories), but given the US influence on the Kurds, it’s also unlikely to The Kurds are squeezed out anyway (since they are not as strong as the Turks themselves).
          Russia and Syria needed time to clean up the territory from terrorists, and here the United States pitted and set fire to the conflict again diverting the forces of the Syrian troops and ours to control the newly flaming territories.
          The problem is also that Turkey and I for this period can’t conflict and quarrel in any way because there are big projects purely economic (pipeline along the Black Sea) and here Erdogan also calculated the moment that at this time it’s time to put pressure on the Kurds all the more that the United States added fuel to the fire saying that it would prepare border protection forces from the Kurds. In addition, there are some agreements with Turkey on military control and the influence of the northern territories of Syria than the Turks actually took advantage of.
          The situation is very unfavorable for Russia and Syria because there is a struggle between two forces on Syrian territory and, oddly enough, without the Syrian legitimate troops and command, and this is Syrian territory, you have to react, but there is nothing to react at the moment, there are no forces. Again, everything is against Syria and its territory. Again, new and new problems arise and this is similar to the plan "B" or "C" of the Americans.
          1. poquello
            poquello 22 January 2018 19: 22
            +4
            Quote: Irokez
            because this is the territory of Syria and we must respond,

            and who told you that? this territory is now occupied by the self-proclaimed Rozhava that neither the Syrians nor the Turks recognize, its Turks hammering - let the Kurds rightly - not so long ago in the newly occupied territories they genocide Arabs
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 22 January 2018 21: 14
              0
              Quote: poquello
              this territory is now occupied by the self-proclaimed Rozhava

              What are you talking about, my friend?
              This is the territory of Syria on which the Kurds are pretending to be there, but the fact that she is busy right now is understandable to everyone, but not right now for her to fight both the Kurds and the Turks with their Turkoman or rebels.
              1. poquello
                poquello 22 January 2018 21: 33
                +1
                Quote: Irokez
                Quote: poquello
                this territory is now occupied by the self-proclaimed Rozhava

                What are you talking about, my friend?

                about your page essay one and a half
                Quote: Irokez
                This is the territory of Syria on which the Kurds are pretending to be there, but the fact that she is busy right now is understandable to everyone, but not right now for her to fight both the Kurds and the Turks with their Turkoman or rebels.

                ) so de here is the American plan "B" "C" and other vitamins?
              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 38
                0
                Quote: Irokez
                but not the time to fight for it right now

                And when is the time? When will your overseas hosts get ready?
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 56
                  0
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  Quote: Irokez
                  but not the time to fight for it right now

                  And when is the time? When will your overseas hosts get ready?

                  And you do not wait for the Russians, move forward on your combat couch, there everyone has already been waiting for you .... laughing wassat fool
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 22 January 2018 23: 16
                    0
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    move forward on your combat couch

                    You have some unhealthy fetish regarding sofas, you need to get married.
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN
                      MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 23: 23
                      0
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                      move forward on your combat couch

                      You have some unhealthy fetish regarding sofas, you need to get married.

                      And you have a constant mania for finding hosts .... laughing
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 22 January 2018 23: 32
                        0
                        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                        And you have a constant mania for finding hosts ....

                        If you have a persecution mania, this does not mean that you are not being persecuted.
                        PySy Maniacs of all countries unite.
                2. Irokez
                  Irokez 23 January 2018 08: 49
                  0
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  And when is the time? When will your overseas hosts get ready?

                  You’re not Assad, and you don’t feel the situation right now with him. Everything and everyone is faster for you. But how quicker if terror and moderates are still not suppressed from all sides, and here also get involved with the Kurds. Where forces and troops to take to this battlefield.
                  Russia does not fight with the Kurds, and this was said, but we fought against the terrorists who encroached on the legitimate government of Syria and almost strangled it, and the Kurds, oddly enough, did too with the terrorists, diverting their forces. But at the same time, the Kurds were interested in - the territory.
                  When you take part in a fight, for example, you say, “Come on one on one,” because you won’t pull two or three, and here you’re going to fight right away with everyone. Look at the situation broader and deeper without hasty conclusions, and as you would do under those conditions, rather than throw purely slogans on the groundless slogans.
            2. Grits
              Grits 23 January 2018 06: 34
              0
              Now the Syrians would say: "You will answer us for Omar!"
            3. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2018 19: 56
              0
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Irokez
              because this is the territory of Syria and we must respond,

              and who told you that? this territory is now occupied by the self-proclaimed Rozhava that neither the Syrians nor the Turks recognize, its Turks hammering - let the Kurds rightly - not so long ago in the newly occupied territories they genocide Arabs

              And yet, I don’t understand why Kurds, who are more than a dozen million, cannot create their own state, but, for example, Jews, who were much smaller at the time of the creation of Israel, can? What does it mean?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2018 20: 02
                0
                And, I’ll add, why do you agree to “peck” the self-proclaimed Rojava, and if you peck the DNI and the LC, you, like me, are outraged, by the way? Have you learned a dual approach?
                1. poquello
                  poquello 23 January 2018 20: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And, I’ll add, why do you agree to “peck” the self-proclaimed Rojava, and if you peck the DNI and the LC, you, like me, are outraged, by the way? Have you learned a dual approach?

                  absolutely no double approach, LDNR - representatives of the legitimate authorities of Ukraine
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2018 22: 54
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    And, I’ll add, why do you agree to “peck” the self-proclaimed Rojava, and if you peck the DNI and the LC, you, like me, are outraged, by the way? Have you learned a dual approach?

                    absolutely no double approach, LDNR - representatives of the legitimate authorities of Ukraine

                    I am for but do not wishful thinking.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 24 January 2018 02: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Quote: poquello
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      And, I’ll add, why do you agree to “peck” the self-proclaimed Rojava, and if you peck the DNI and the LC, you, like me, are outraged, by the way? Have you learned a dual approach?

                      absolutely no double approach, LDNR - representatives of the legitimate authorities of Ukraine

                      I am for but do not wishful thinking.

                      was there a coup in Ukraine?
                      and separation from LDNR is not an end in itself, Minsk confirms that
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 24 January 2018 10: 13
                        0
                        Quote: poquello

                        was there a coup in Ukraine?
                        and separation from LDNR is not an end in itself, Minsk confirms that

                        I agree, but you will agree that the power in the LDNR is no more legitimate than Kiev.
          2. garnik
            garnik 23 January 2018 00: 24
            +1
            Well, the joy that a cow died from a neighbor is gloating (to rejoice at the evil, that is, the negative). It’s bad that in general this happens when peace and trying are needed, and conflicts begin.

            In the massacre of Christians at the beginning of the 20th century in the Ottoman Empire, they were no less noted, though Turkish. And on the front in 1MV they made up a third of the military contingent of Turkish troops.
            And this is not Putin’s move, but the merit of the Americans because Turkey is shattered for its attacks on the USA and Europe by the hands of well-fed Kurds, but Russia doesn’t need this conflict because the less pain points for Assad, the better for everyone as long as there is ISIS and other moderate ones on the territory Syria.

            I think you should not look for those responsible for your mistakes. Kurds controlled by Amers will not openly act against the Turks. Once Russia, with its exit from Afrin, rendered Assad a disservice. Otherwise, Assad’s troops would not have provided a corridor to the Raqqi Kurds to help the Athenian. He wrote many times, the Turks need Amers, Russia is ahead.
            The situation is very bad in terms of the fact that if the Turks occupy these territories, then you’ll smoke their horseradish from there, except for the next Syrian war with Turkey (it is again beneficial for the states). If the Kurds remained there until the end of the war in Syria, then in the end they would have taken up thoroughly when the troops are ready to squeeze the Kurds just in case (but they can agree to lovingly transfer the territories), but given the US influence on the Kurds, it’s also unlikely to The Kurds are squeezed out anyway (since they are not as strong as the Turks themselves).

            You are right, the Turks will not come out of there anymore and the Amers don't give a damn about it. Most importantly, they were able to sow enmity between Russia and the Kurds. Now they will be tame, all will fulfill without question.
            And the Kurds will have Russia’s current enemies and Shiites. Assad has priority on the side of the Kurds.
            The problem is also that Turkey and I for this period can’t conflict and quarrel in any way because there are big projects purely economic (pipeline along the Black Sea) and here Erdogan also calculated the moment that at this time it’s time to put pressure on the Kurds all the more that the United States added fuel to the fire saying that it would prepare border protection forces from the Kurds. In addition, there are some agreements with Turkey on military control and the influence of the northern territories of Syria than the Turks actually took advantage of.

            Yes, sorry, I think the head of Russia is recklessly acting. We will arbitrarily become dependent on the Turks. If Putin has an ingenious plan for the Turks, then praise him, and if not, then this is a betrayal of Russian interests. In fact, the Turks put the last point, unless of course the conflict in Syria, this will end. And the further the more insolent the Turks will act, we will hand them the trump cards.
            Recently on TV on a talk show. There is such a Turkish-Azerbaijani Fuad, so he proclaimed that all the Turkic-speaking regions of Russia should unite with the Turks. And this is coming, America is waiting for this and will contribute to this. Sometimes a thought comes up, and who is in power, is history really not a lesson for them. In general, we have lost potential friends (for me personally, they are enemies) in the face of the Kurds. The only thing if we could pit Amer Kurds with the Turks would be something. But I’m sure the Americans will not allow the Turks that they still need the Kurds. And we have friends winked and, most importantly, an ally of the army, navy and VKS.
    3. Andrey K
      Andrey K 22 January 2018 17: 05
      34
      ... Chemo said that Russia "betrayed the Kurds, violating previously concluded agreements" ...

      The commander-in-chief of the Kurdish armed units of the YPG, Sipan Hemo, got a little ashore. Russia has never supported the Kurds in the “Walk the Field” organized by them ...
      Russia took no obligation to cover up the Kurds in their unrighteous actions.
      They decided to snatch, in the muddy waters of the civil war, to grab territories in which the Kurds never existed.
      They "grabbed" the largest oil fields in Syria under the "mattress" roof and decided that it should be so.
      Arranged the executions of Arabs in the occupied territories, swallowed into their ranks the unfinished jackals from ISIS and ... oppa ...
      Russia has betrayed ...
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 22 January 2018 17: 41
        0
        Quote: Andrey K
        Russia took no obligation to cover up the Kurds in their unrighteous actions.

        How do you know? Does Shoigu personally report to you?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 22 January 2018 18: 02
          13
          Quote: Normal ok
          ...How do you know? Does Shoigu personally report to you? ...

          Like many on the site born and trained in the USSR. Accordingly, I have not forgotten how to read and analyze. Shoigu does not have to report to me, and not by rank.
          To add 2 + 2 I advise you to read the press periodically, preferably with the comments of specialists on issues of interest to you hi
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 40
          0
          Quote: Normal ok
          How do you know? Does Shoigu personally report to you?

          How do you know that Russia made commitments to cover up the Kurds in their unrighteous actions? Does Shoigu personally report to you?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 January 2018 17: 43
        +7
        "Russia did not take obligations to cover the Kurds" ////

        How did you not take it? And where did the contingent of peacekeepers come from in Afrin?
        Everything is officially flying the Russian flag, not some PMCs ...
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 22 January 2018 18: 18
          20
          Quote: voyaka uh
          ... How not to take? And where did the contingent of peacekeepers come from in Afrin?
          Everything is officially flying the Russian flag, not some PMCs ...

          Well ...
          Colleague, why did you suddenly start joking? Not like you. Why are you saying something that does not exist in nature?
          What peacekeepers? Who sent them there? Yes, even under the Russian flag?
          Russian military police (not MS), deployed observation posts in the Afrin area in the north of Aleppo province and ensures compliance with the ceasefire in the zone of deconfliction.
          Military Police Carl !!!
          Ensures compliance with the ceasefire, Karl !!!
          The task of covering the asses of the Kurds was not before the Russian military police, as well as engaging in clashes with the Turkish army.
          Colleague, maybe you know about the agreements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on ensuring the security of YPG troops in Syria?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 22 January 2018 18: 26
            +1
            "Russian military police (not MS) deployed in the Afrin area in the north of Aleppo province
            observation points and ensures compliance with the ceasefire in the zone of deconfliction "///

            What difference does it make? The ceasefire regime has been violated (peacekeepers - from the word truce) and so what?
            Turkey attacked Syria. He went on a broad offensive on earth.
            And how did Russia react? Quietly withdrew from the position and left. No condemnation of the aggressor, (it’s not Israel attacked - there would have been a cry to heaven smile ), nothing ...
            Will the Kurds call the Russians next time? - hardly.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 22 January 2018 18: 39
              10
              But didn’t they call us? This is not the land of the Kurds, but the land of the Syrians. And the Kurds are there because the Syrians allowed them to be there. I mean the government of Syria.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "Russian military police (not MS) deployed in the Afrin area in the north of Aleppo province
              observation points and ensures compliance with the ceasefire in the zone of deconfliction "///

              What difference does it make? The ceasefire regime has been violated (peacekeepers - from the word truce) and so what?
              Turkey attacked Syria. He went on a broad offensive on earth.
              And how did Russia react? Quietly withdrew from the position and left. No condemnation of the aggressor, (it’s not Israel attacked - there would have been a cry to heaven smile ), nothing ...
              Will the Kurds call the Russians next time? - hardly.
            2. Andrey K
              Andrey K 22 January 2018 18: 41
              15
              Quote: voyaka uh
              ... what's the difference, what to call? The ceasefire regime has been violated (peacekeepers - from the word truce) and so what?

              Big difference what to call, be precise hi
              Peacekeepers from the word WORLD CREATE, not from a truce. Military police are not peacekeepers.
              And it raced ...
              ... Turkey attacked Syria. He went on a broad offensive on earth.
              And how did Russia react? Quietly withdrew from the position and left. No condemnation of the aggressor, (it’s not Israel who attacked - there would have been a cry to heaven smile), nothing ...

              First: do not "quietly", do not lie. By agreement with the Ministry of Defense of Syria, they were withdrawn to the territory under their control.
              Secondly: you probably see a precedent in dreams - the Russians clashed with the Turks, for shelling Syrian territory and so on and so forth ...
              In this case, it’s necessary to slap on the Israelis who support Tahrir al-Sham and fire on the border territories of Syria ...
              Calm down already ...
            3. Foundling
              Foundling 22 January 2018 19: 16
              +2
              They were also offered to recognize Bashar as the central authority and let his troops into Afrin. They rejected the offer. States thought to harness for them. Now whine something? Let them run to their American patrons as planned. And then you will protect us, but we will not let the regular Syrian army into Afrin. They persistently refused protection.
            4. poquello
              poquello 22 January 2018 19: 29
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Will the Kurds call the Russians next time?

              Russian Kurds are already calling, not this pro-American hapon, but the rest.
              The next time the Kurds can call the Russians will be in Sochi, maybe the last one.
            5. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 30
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "Russian military police (not MS) deployed in the Afrin area in the north of Aleppo province
              observation points and ensures compliance with the ceasefire in the zone of deconfliction "///

              What difference does it make? The ceasefire regime has been violated (peacekeepers - from the word truce) and so what?
              Turkey attacked Syria. He went on a broad offensive on earth.
              And how did Russia react? Quietly withdrew from the position and left. No condemnation of the aggressor, (it’s not Israel attacked - there would have been a cry to heaven smile ), nothing ...
              Will the Kurds call the Russians next time? - hardly.

              Kurds were waiting for Israeli Jews to help, but they did not come, however cowardly, they could not declare war on Russia and Turkey, only talk ....
            6. Grits
              Grits 23 January 2018 06: 52
              +2
              Will the Kurds call the Russians next time? - hardly.
              Incidentally, Israel, as always, actively supported its masters and was with three hands for the independence of Kurdistan. If Kurds are such friends to you, then why don’t you run, breaking your legs to protect them from the Turkish military? Where are your cool planes bombing Turkish columns? Or can you only shell Syrian warehouses from Lebanese territory, and the gut is thin to stand up for friends?
            7. andrew42
              andrew42 23 January 2018 20: 03
              0
              "What is the difference, what to call?" - That's because of this and all your troubles. A player by double standards sooner or later encounters the same thing, then shouts “is it less for what?”. So it was, is, and will be. If it makes no difference what to call, then there is nothing to be engaged in the fact that "it makes no difference." Otherwise, get at least democracy, at least “democracy,” depending on what they give out.
        2. vlad66
          vlad66 22 January 2018 18: 22
          13
          Quote: voyaka uh
          How did you not take it? And where did the contingent of peacekeepers come from in Afrin?
          Everything is officially under the Russian flag, not some PMCs ..

          Wow, what a shame, huh? laughing Can't push us foreheads with Turkey request Say that with popcorn you were not allowed to watch this sight. hiWe ourselves would better admire, according to your example, how the Sultan will nibble on the pro-Amerian Kurds, who thank Assad for not being particularly disturbing, but he will grab help from them like milk from a goat, and then it will be seen. wink
        3. Tusv
          Tusv 22 January 2018 18: 38
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          How did you not take it? And where did the contingent of peacekeepers come from in Afrin?

          Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. There is an Assad Treaty with the Kurds on the de-escalation zone, and there is an infuriated sultan. If Erdogan and the Kurds didn’t share it. Sorry this is not our headache. It’s nothing to do with our duties, but in the UN Security Council we will certainly condemn hi
      3. Grits
        Grits 23 January 2018 06: 45
        +3
        Remember all the villains of the Kurds when SAA barmaley drenched
        1. When the Syrians launched an unsuccessful attack on Tabka, the Kurds, with the help of the United States, landed a landing force on the right bank of the Euphrates and occupied a vast territory with a hydroelectric dam so that the SAA would not pick it up.
        2. When the SAA approached Raqqa to move along the Euphrates, the Kurds abruptly jumped out to try to capture the intersections of strategic roads and not let the army go further. But the "Tigers" were already scientists and gypsies ahead.
        3. When the Syrians heroically fought surrounded in Dayr Ez-Zor, the Kurds did not think to help come. But as soon as the SAA broke through to the city, the Kurds, like the devil, jumped out of the snuff-box and ran up to the opposite side of the Euphrates without resistance, occupying the territories and preventing the crossing of troops.
        4. When the SAA cleared the right bank of the river from the Barmales, then the gypsies in a noisy crowd squeezed all the largest deposits on the left bank of the Euphrates under the hooting of the Americans. By the way, where they never lived.
        The question is, why, after all this, Assad and Russia should love the Kurds and protect them?
    4. Finches
      Finches 22 January 2018 17: 08
      15
      I apologize, but did the Kurds fall under the star-striped Anglo-Saxons? It’s not necessary to build Yanukovych out of yourself - genetics are not the same! Here we have a family showdown - but the Anglo-Saxons, enemy number one! You need to think! And after such statements, the videoconferencing can strengthen the firepower of Turkey ... Geopolitics, however!
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 22 January 2018 17: 08
      +7
      Russia never promised to protect the Kurds with its soldiers. In Syria, this is the business of President Assad. Let them agree with himwinked
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 22 January 2018 17: 10
        18
        remember the Kurds when we will bargain with Erdogan. For now, catch what you deserve.

        They were allowed into the territory of the SAR to avoid genocide. And they began to open their mouths and demand their state away, where they were allowed to warm themselves after several decades.

        In general, as I wrote earlier - they will indicate their place, as indicated in Iraq.

        This nation did not deserve its state. They cannot decide on allies, with a single army and a single leadership.

        Therefore, do not be offended. Maybe someday they will be helped like Israel, giving them a piece of land. But not a fact.

    6. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 22 January 2018 17: 09
      32
      In fact, the situation is simple and cynical
      Vlad Shurygin 22 01 2018 g "Two years ago, when Assad was on the verge of defeat, and we were just beginning to clean up ISIS (the organization banned in Russia - ed.), The Kurds decided to put on an American horse. Like, with Russian, we are not enemies, with Syrians armed neutrality, Turks are enemies, but so far we are not touching them, but while we are extinguishing ISIS .. The Kurds refused to return to Syria - Russia’s condition. Our shrugged shoulders and stepped aside and went on stage daddy Rajep with artillery and aviation. And now, suddenly, it turned out that about the Russians, it turns out, they betrayed the Kurds ... "" "
      http://www.iarex.ru/articles/55296.html
      "The Athenian Kurds wanted to be trickiest of all and push Russia and Turkey on their foreheads, but it turned out the other way. We are waiting for the Athenian ambassadors soon to Damascus .." "
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 32
        +1
        Quote: To be or not to be
        In fact, the situation is simple and cynical
        Vlad Shurygin 22 01 2018 g "Two years ago, when Assad was on the verge of defeat, and we were just beginning to clean up ISIS (the organization banned in Russia - ed.), The Kurds decided to put on an American horse. Like, with Russian, we are not enemies, with Syrians armed neutrality, Turks are enemies, but so far we are not touching them, but while we are extinguishing ISIS .. The Kurds refused to return to Syria - Russia’s condition. Our shrugged shoulders and stepped aside and went on stage daddy Rajep with artillery and aviation. And now, suddenly, it turned out that about the Russians, it turns out, they betrayed the Kurds ... "" "
        http://www.iarex.ru/articles/55296.html
        "The Athenian Kurds wanted to be trickiest of all and push Russia and Turkey on their foreheads, but it turned out the other way. We are waiting for the Athenian ambassadors soon to Damascus .." "

        Hurray-patriots of the Russian Federation and Israeli Jews will not agree with you ...
    7. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 22 January 2018 17: 18
      0
      this is the American plan - with the help of the most radical-minded Kurds, try to undermine stability in Turkey

      And to America, as a widespread drug addict, local-regional wars on the planet — they raise the sale of weapons and settle in disputed regions if there are minerals there!
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 22 January 2018 17: 31
        +2
        If you don’t hold on to the Turks, such a massacre will be ... ask the Armenians.
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 22 January 2018 18: 24
          +1
          Ask how the Kurds from the Turks did not remain in the rubber of the Armenians.
        2. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 22 January 2018 20: 44
          +1
          If they really are for the FSA, then they are worthy of death ...
        3. grandson of the hero
          grandson of the hero 22 January 2018 22: 57
          0
          Learn the story! At that time, the Kurds and slaughtered the Armenians ... They then tied up at the hands of the Turks ...
          1. garnik
            garnik 23 January 2018 14: 30
            +1
            And not only Armenians. About 1 million Greeks, 600 thousand and more Assyrians, about 200 thousand Russians are Molokans. Yes, Turkish Kurds to the elbow in Christian blood, as well as Turks.
    8. Maz
      Maz 22 January 2018 18: 18
      +3
      LTD! Controlled chaos! And again, not in the United States and allies. But you can shove weapons to all sides, fomenting squabble and reaping denyuzhku.
    9. 73bor
      73bor 22 January 2018 19: 51
      +1
      The most interesting thing is that it was the Americans who betrayed the Kurds, and all the bumps again for us! Gentlemen of the Kurds, you have already decided with whom you are friends and from whom you take weapons!
    10. Nikolai Passerby
      Nikolai Passerby 22 January 2018 19: 52
      +2
      Quote: garx
      Of the two evils, one must choose the least!

    11. Misha Honest
      Misha Honest 22 January 2018 20: 30
      +4
      Quote: garx
      Of the two evils, one must choose the least!

      But in fact, I agree with the YPG commander. In any case, now it is the Turks who rule in Syria.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 47
        +2
        Quote: Misha Honest
        But in fact, I agree with the YPG commander.

        Who is interested in your consent?
        1. Misha Honest
          Misha Honest 23 January 2018 01: 03
          +1
          Quote: KaPToC
          Quote: Misha Honest
          But in fact, I agree with the YPG commander.

          Who is interested in your consent?

          Yours is certainly not interesting - since you don’t have your own opinion. ) hi
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    13. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 January 2018 21: 42
      0
      15:27
      “The operation in Afrin is not only aimed at protecting the national interests of Turkey, but should also contribute to ensuring the territorial integrity of Syria, the protection and security of the Syrian people,” Erdogan quoted Anadolu.
    14. Slovak
      Slovak 23 January 2018 12: 30
      0
      and the Kurds themselves chose the patrons of the United States.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 22 January 2018 17: 00
    +3
    The fact that the Kurds betrayed for the sake of the greatness of their idea * and are ready to betray in the future is already taken for granted. At the same time, for some reason, there are those who demand to fulfill, like moral desires of those who betrayed and are ready to betray.
  3. dauria
    dauria 22 January 2018 17: 04
    11
    But Russia betrayed us, ignoring all previously concluded agreements.


    So let the United States sign for you against Erdogan, which costs a couple of divisions of their “conscientious with principles” against the Turks. wink
    Damn it, I don’t like it when the Russians don’t pay for their Wishlist with their soldiers. I'm used to it. .Do not cry, we finally learned from the Jews and Anglo-Saxons diplomacy.
  4. _TANKIST_
    _TANKIST_ 22 January 2018 17: 04
    +5
    How to conclude deals with ISIS (an organization prohibited in the Russian Federation) or Matrasney is normal and damage to the ATS, or to seize oil fields not belonging to their autonomy, but when everything is concluded against them, "... they immediately betrayed ... .. "
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 13
      0
      Kurds from Afrin captured sure? The fact is a fact, valiant peacekeepers from Russia were shed from their posts as soon as the smell was fried. In this, the Kurds are right.
      1. _TANKIST_
        _TANKIST_ 23 January 2018 09: 43
        0
        Oh well ... !!!))) And what prevented the Kurds from placing the legitimate Syrian administration there on the territories conquered by the terrorists, Huh? How it's called? If your troops are in a certain territory and you do not allow its rightful owner to this territory !?
  5. svp67
    svp67 22 January 2018 17: 04
    +9
    Against this background, a statement appeared in the Kurdish press that Russia and Turkey bear the overall responsibility for attacking Syrian Afrin.
    Twice in vain they did:
    - contacted the Americans
    - Russia was blamed for their troubles ...
    Well, let's see how it all ends.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 22 January 2018 18: 01
      +3
      Will end up crawling to Damascus or Sochi asking for a hand ..
      Quote: svp67
      Against this background, a statement appeared in the Kurdish press that Russia and Turkey bear the overall responsibility for attacking Syrian Afrin.
      Twice in vain they did:
      - contacted the Americans
      - Russia was blamed for their troubles ...
      Well, let's see how it all ends.
      1. svp67
        svp67 22 January 2018 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: 210ox
        will end up crawling to Damascus or Sochi asking for a hand ..

        It would be to someone .... otherwise the Turks are painfully furious ...
        1. Angel_and_Demon
          Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 19: 23
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          It would be to someone .... otherwise the Turks are painfully furious ...

          maybe they will still have time?
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 January 2018 19: 28
            +2
            Quote: Angel_and_Demon
            maybe they will still have time?

            Well let's hope ...
            1. Angel_and_Demon
              Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 19: 30
              +5
              Quote: svp67
              Well let's hope ...

              Hope will die last
      2. Dashout
        Dashout 22 January 2018 20: 18
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        Will end up crawling to Damascus or Sochi asking for a hand ..

        Yes, it looks like homework before the Syrian National Dialogue Congress. It is necessary to negotiate, the Kurds, and not run to the striped ...
  6. RUSS
    RUSS 22 January 2018 17: 05
    +6
    Assad offered the Syrian Kurds maximum autonomy, but apparently not enough, now Assad also doesn’t receive any assistance, let alone friends from overseas
  7. Felix
    Felix 22 January 2018 17: 05
    22
    uh ... US allies are bombing US allies, but is Russia to blame anyway?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 22 January 2018 18: 01
      +5
      Yeah, without us they would have bombed themselves. And we would be extreme anyway laughing drinks
      1. Felix
        Felix 22 January 2018 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Doliva63
        Yeah, without us they would have bombed themselves. And we would be extreme anyway laughing drinks

        Exactly)))
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 22 January 2018 17: 08
    +4
    Maybe he would have said nothing, then maybe he had gone for a clever one ... pushing such speeches he clearly made it so that Russia would definitely not help the Kurds now, he simply did the substitution to all his fellow tribesmen ... now we are waiting for the Americans to come out as the savior of the Kurds ... after all their speech was clearly addressed ... now they have renounced Assad and Russia ... now they are all of them completely with all their giblets.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 January 2018 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      Maybe he would have said nothing, then maybe he had gone for a smart one ... pushing such speeches he clearly made it so that Russia would definitely not help the Kurds now

      PS: verbiage of such characters does not affect the actions of Russia. Russia helps the legitimate government of the SAR, and the Kurds are not exactly them.
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 22 January 2018 17: 35
        +9
        Assad probably thanked the Turks to himself ... take care of the education of the Kurds in Syria for patriotism, he was once again called a bloody dictator ... and so the Turks Turks instill a love of the motherland.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 22 January 2018 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: Strashila
          Turks Kurds instill a love of homeland.

          If you want independence, help protect it. The Kurds will be able to resist the Turks and only then they will talk to them differently ... maybe.
          And they want to enter paradise on the wrong shoulders, but it doesn’t happen - in this world the right of the strong manages.
    2. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 22 January 2018 20: 47
      +1
      That’s something it seems if the Armenians will be “friends” with the Fshists, the Turks will come to them. laughing
  9. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 22 January 2018 17: 11
    +4
    After the operation is completed by the Turks, the Kurds will most likely agree to wide autonomy within Syria and abandon plans for an independent state. In general, everything looks like a bad one (Turks) and a good (Russian Federation) policeman tolerated Kurds in the 90s. wide autonomy in the Tambov region
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 22 January 2018 17: 57
      +3
      then they would also decide to create a state on the territory of the Russian Federation with the filing of the USA - and rooks would fly to genocide stupid people
  10. Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 22 January 2018 17: 12
    +2
    I don’t really understand this situation, but immediately the question arose:
    Are the Kurds themselves fulfilling their part of the agreements? I have suspicions that the decisions of Russia in Syria regarding the Kurds were the result of certain events and actions. It seems that Kurds should all.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 22 January 2018 17: 58
      +2
      It seems that Kurds should all.


      they are returned to them wassat
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 38
      +1
      Quote: Thirsty for the wind
      It seems that Kurds should all.

      Taki is not the only nation in the BV that thinks so ...
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 22 January 2018 22: 39
      +3
      Quote: Thirsty for the Wind
      It seems that Kurds should all.

      So you almost answered your question. yes Unless, with the clarification, that the Kurds themselves decided so. Doesn’t resemble some of eastern Europe?
      Quote: Thirsty for the Wind
      Russia's decisions in Syria regarding the Kurds were the result of certain events and actions.

      Of course, because such questions "are not resolved with the condachka." laughing They said to them, unreasonable: “Do not wake famously, while it is quiet ...” But no, they didn’t listen. Well, nothing, now they are listening to Sochi ... though, already with a broken hare. yes
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 January 2018 17: 12
    +6
    The Kurds are still “on the kids”, so ... they chose the owner - ask him for protection. And then here and there they wanted ...
  12. Dongrand
    Dongrand 22 January 2018 17: 17
    +4
    Science will be for Kurdish comrades. There was nothing to flirt with the Yankees.
    1. garnik
      garnik 22 January 2018 17: 42
      +3
      Damn, there are two Kurdish enclaves in Syria. Some became pro-American, who did not wait for us and there are those who hoped that they were protected by the Russian military police.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 22 January 2018 18: 22
        +4
        Quote: garnik
        Damn, there are two Kurdish enclaves in Syria

        In Syria, the only legitimate authority is the power of the Syrian government.
        If the Kurds do not obey the Syrian government, then the Syrian government is not obliged to protect them.
        While the military police were there, they had to decide - they had decided. Since they decided that they have independence, let them defend it themselves. Nobody owes them anything.
        What does Russia have to do with it?
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 22 January 2018 18: 31
          +1
          If half the population rebelled against your power, how legitimate you are. Not 100 thousand at demonstrations, but a whole civil war. Is the president still legitimate? Strange ... You won’t bring legality on the bayonets. But it is clear that Assad has undermined the legitimacy of his power.
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 22 January 2018 18: 51
            +6
            Quote: Shahno
            If half the population rebelled against your power,

            Well, where are these ten million rebels? I do not see.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 22 January 2018 18: 55
              +1
              And against whom is the war going? Against the Syrians. Moderate, not very moderate, such as Nusra, against the Kurds. Count. There in their ranks of mercenaries 30 percent. And what the Turkish troops, special forces of the states are doing. Yes, and the Russian Federation now. They are trying to protect their influence, but they have forgotten the united Syria. How do you want to make it one if you destroy millions of dissent.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 22 January 2018 19: 39
                +5
                Quote: Shahno
                but forgotten united Syria

                As you can see, they have not forgotten. The Kurds have forgotten and through this they have problems with the Turks.
                Quote: Shahno
                How do you want to make it one if you destroy millions of dissent.

                There are no "millions" with weapons in their hands. Whoever has the military power is the one who steers in "his" territory, and the population sits home and waits for this brothel to end, and it will already be possible to live normally.
              2. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 44
                0
                Quote: Shahno
                How do you want to make her one

                Where did you get that from? Russia doesn’t give a damn about ATS, Latakia will be enough for her, and the fact that there will be no Qatari pipe in the ATS in the next 1 000 years, it has become clear to everyone ...
                How do you want to make it one if you destroy millions of dissent.

                You must not forget the Czech language, what millions, or only Jews in BV, have a license to kill, look, as if they themselves would not become terrorists ...
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 51
            +1
            Quote: Shahno
            Strange ... You won’t bring legality on the bayonets.

            You are categorically mistaken, it is on bayonets that it is law and rule.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 January 2018 17: 45
      +6
      And another science for them will be - there is nothing to flirt with Russia.
      1. dauria
        dauria 22 January 2018 18: 12
        +8
        there is nothing to flirt with Russia.

        And what are we worse than you? wink Thanks to the USA, England, Israel for the lessons of diplomacy, how to bleed someone and come to the ready. Tea in our Kremlin for a quarter of your former people ... laughing
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 January 2018 18: 15
          +5
          Right. Russia throws friends and allies, like everyone else.
          Israel threw Lebanese Christians at one time. Sad but true. sad
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 22 January 2018 21: 53
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Right. Russia throws friends and allies, like everyone else.

            These Kurds are not friends and allies to us, so what kind of “friends” and “allies” did Russia throw?
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 17
              0
              Quote: KaPToC
              These Kurds are not friends and allies to us, so what kind of “friends” and “allies” did Russia throw?

              If not friends-allies then what did the police do on their territory? Have you come to play chess?
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 23 January 2018 17: 59
                0
                Quote: MadCat
                If not friends-allies then what did the police do on their territory? Have you come to play chess?

                What can the police do? Criminals to catch. And among the Kurds there are a lot of criminals.
        2. Shahno
          Shahno 22 January 2018 18: 16
          +2
          Taught on my own head ...
      2. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 22 January 2018 18: 12
        12
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And another science for them will be - there is nothing to flirt with Russia.

        well, maybe they flirted with Russia - but they waved it striped request
      3. Morozyaka
        Morozyaka 22 January 2018 18: 27
        +2
        Warrior Wow, are you especially intent on the near-witted ones? Something on your jokes already do not answer almost .... Were all smart or what?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 January 2018 18: 35
          +2
          Maybe wiser. Well, if so.
          I am not for the Turks, and not for the Kurds. It’s just that usually Russia likes to talk
          about his "high moral role, helping the weak." But in this case
          a clear case of "kidka" people who hoped for the protection of a strong power.
          I already wrote in another post that Israel was in a situation where it threw
          allies - Lebanese Christians. But we call a spade a spade -
          threw it. sad
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 22 January 2018 20: 12
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But in this case
            a clear case of "kidka" people who hoped for the protection of a strong power.
            I already wrote in another post that Israel was in a situation where it threw
            allies - Lebanese Christians. But we call a spade a spade -
            threw it.

            Strange you. What is it like? Two and a half peacekeepers in the Turkish army fool Guys, because of the Kurds, we almost got into a long-lasting butch from the USA. On the verge of 3 world. And there such a batch would go that from Israel legs to horns remained. And we already cannot quarrel with the Sultan’s hand, although no one supports such friendship in the Russian Federation
            Surround yourself. What a betrayal
          2. Adlik
            Adlik 22 January 2018 21: 39
            +3
            It was not we who threw them, but they us, hung our ears for American noodles, led ourselves to promises of our own statehood, because it was not just that they did not let Assad’s troops into the canton at our request, they were told that this would be a guarantee against the Turkish invasion, but did not want to spit on us, trusted overseas friends
          3. poquello
            poquello 22 January 2018 23: 06
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            But in this case
            a clear case of "kidka" people who hoped for the protection of a strong power.

            well, well, well, justify the "obvious case", except for the empty chatter. Usa Kurds danced, they threw them and set them up.
          4. Nehist
            Nehist 22 January 2018 23: 12
            0
            The high moral role of Russia in helping the weak throughout its history was only an occasion to advance its interests. However, like any other country with imperial ambitions. And then the fact that it was constantly hushed up and did not call a spade a spade and gave rise to not healthy insinuations and the MYTH that Russia is a peace-loving country.
            1. poquello
              poquello 22 January 2018 23: 21
              0
              Quote: Nehist
              The high moral role of Russia in helping the weak throughout its history was only an occasion to advance its interests. However, like any other country with imperial ambitions. And then the fact that it was constantly hushed up and did not call a spade a spade and gave rise to not healthy insinuations and the MYTH that Russia is a peace-loving country.

              one more balabol, besides pathetics, what can I say?
        2. user1212
          user1212 22 January 2018 19: 24
          +8
          Quote: Morozyaka
          Were they all smarter?

          Yes, for the second day he has been asked how the truce between Assad and the Kurds obliges Russia to fight for the Kurds, and he all pretends to be a hose and taldychit from one branch to another. Or maybe not pretending? Maybe they just didn’t bring a new campaign laughing
          1. Morozyaka
            Morozyaka 22 January 2018 19: 50
            +2
            Yes, here it’s just such a good moment to “flatter” the vanity of the Russians, and no one is going on easy visits. It’s even strange somehow :) you need to go into longer posts "about kidalovo", then the people will reach laughing
            And if in essence, then we all have no idea who promised what to whom - we can only guess. The only thing that bothers is the statements of Damascus regarding the operation of the Turks. It would not have happened so: 1) the Turks occupy Athens and remain there themselves, Erdogan receives domestic dividends, 2) the Athenian Kurds, after adjusting a little, leave for Efrat to replenish the new pro-American army
            3) Damascus looks powerlessly at it
            4) Russia is to blame for everything ...
            This alignment will be very unpleasant
            1. user1212
              user1212 22 January 2018 19: 53
              0
              Quote: Morozyaka
              statements of Damascus regarding the operation of the Turks

              Duty blah blah. Officially, it is still a Syrian territory, although not controlled
              1. Morozyaka
                Morozyaka 22 January 2018 21: 49
                +1
                Officially, yes. But blah blah was somehow too emotional. And it all depends on the point of view: for some, Crimea is officially Ukrainian territory.
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 22: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Morozyaka
                  some and Crimea are officially Ukrainian territory.

                  Well, let these some try to take this “official” territory from the Russian Federation, even Jews, even Ukrainians ...
                  You are Jews, even with the Americans, even with the Martians you will not go further than your desert, but we will continue to be the best 1 / 8 part of the land and you will see this "injustice" until your death ....
                  Do not see BV second Israel in the form of Kurdistan ....
                  1. MadCat
                    MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 21
                    0
                    Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                    Do not see BV second Israel in the form of Kurdistan ....

                    don’t say gop ... the Turks have notably played the United States, used in the dark, thinking now Kurdistan will arise one hundred percent.
                    Well, Russia will be remembered as a three-story obscenity, not without it.
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN
                      MOSKVITYANIN 23 January 2018 20: 36
                      0
                      MadCat Thinking now, one hundred percent Kurdistan will arise.

                      And who will make up this Kurdistan, what are the Kurds? Syrian, Iraqi, Turkish, Iranian Kurds are ready to cut each other's throats, not to mention their hypocritical leaders ...
                      Well, Russia will be remembered as a three-story obscene

                      And what did Israel feel worse about this from such an attitude on the part of the Arabs ...?
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 23 January 2018 20: 16
              0
              And here there are no pleasant dealings a priori. The most unpleasant scenario is to harness up for the new US allies (Kurds) against the US ally for NATO (Turkey). For Syria and Russia that those others are wolves tearing Syrian prey. Most likely, the United States expected to throw a bone between Russia and Turkey, activate Turkey, and push Damascus to the fullest, and then harness the Kurds there too (these will not jump off the Amer’s leash). Russia's position in this situation is the only true one. The Kurds of Afrin will keep it, go to the confederation with Assad - well. The Turks will sweep the Kurds, take over Afrin, and deploy a renewed alliance with the FSA ("free" Syria) there - this is bad. But climbing there against the Turks at THIS MOMENT is generally a seam. Syria will not be the same anyway; Assad will have to stupidly say goodbye to part of the territory, for a long period, this is a given. And therefore, for Assad (and, therefore, for Russia) to stand up against the Turks, and yes, for the Americanized Kurds - this is generally the end of Syria, and the entire campaign - more precisely, the "beginning of the end." Any of the "local players" at any time can turn against Damascus and Russia, except Iran. These are the realities.
      4. Tusv
        Tusv 22 January 2018 18: 49
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        And another science for them will be - there is nothing to flirt with Russia.

        But that's for sure. Flirting is like that, not even a non-binding cramp. Here you need to be friends. We do not flirt with Israel, but honestly have a heart-to-heart conversation.
  13. K-50
    K-50 22 January 2018 17: 18
    +8
    Russia in Afghanistan had a military mission for 2 years. Certain arrangements have taken place. But Russia betrayed us, ignoring all previously concluded agreements.

    So what? Do these agreements indicate that Russia should fight for the Kurds? A connection with what? belay
    To begin with, the Syrian Kurds betrayed their country, selling themselves to the Americans. And this is the most important thing !!! Sold !!! And now they ask that someone shed blood for them?
    D.B. S. Lavrov.
    Arrange with your government first. Solve issues among themselves, learn to interact at the political level, but simply at the human level. decide who is your friend and who is just the “buyer” of your blood and lives.
    Only after that, having highlighted the main thing for yourself and confirming this with deeds, you can demand something from others, not earlier !!! am
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 24
      0
      Quote: K-50
      So what? Do these agreements indicate that Russia should fight for the Kurds? A connection with what? belay

      you yourself answered your own question, now the words of Russia about friendship, chewing gum for a century will be perceived in a completely different way, and puffing out the cheeks of the generals about complete control and victory ... complete (already every third time) as well.
  14. Fayth
    Fayth 22 January 2018 17: 19
    +8
    Syria very much resembles Sarajevo and Czechoslovakia, a very strong plexus and strong pressure per square meter. km + crazy religious constituents of this conflict both among the Muslims / Jews and among Christians (which, in fact, are only we who have not entered into ecumenism.
    Health to you, brethren, I tell you like a rocket launcher, without betrayal inside we are invincible!
  15. Labor
    Labor 22 January 2018 17: 23
    0
    I’m wondering if the Kurds really decide to violate the Turkish border, as a NATO country, it can ask for help from the bloc’s members. And then how will the Yankees behave?
  16. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 22 January 2018 17: 24
    +4
    Russia had a military mission in Afrin for 2 years. There have been certain agreements. But Russia betrayed us, ignoring all previously concluded agreements. Russia turned out to be a state without principles.

    Chew ... you hear familiar words - Russia must! ©
    Shaw - and for these we had to fit in, having won independence for them? belay Specifically so that they then threw us? There were few "little brothers" for us ...
  17. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 22 January 2018 17: 26
    +2
    Whoever danced the girl should feed and protect her. And about our (RF) obligations under the agreements - let me show you the document. We sneezed with n-selves, and we owe them something. Somewhere I already saw this ... something new would have come up with. Bored, girls.
  18. Anyone
    Anyone 22 January 2018 17: 27
    +4
    Quote: siberalt
    Russia never promised to protect the Kurds with its soldiers. In Syria, this is the business of President Assad. Let them agree with himwinked

    Not really. We went into Syria for a minute, with the slogan "we will preserve the territorial integrity of the Syrian Arab Republic." Under this sauce, IS was bombed by comrades and the opposition, who were "for the collapse of Syria." Now what? Figuring Syrian barmaley for fighting on their land (albeit against official power) is, like, normal and kosher, but to cut out interventionists who kill Syrian citizens and capture Syrian lands and - this, znachitstsa, "never promised "? )))
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 22 January 2018 19: 03
      +3
      Quote: Anyone
      Under this sauce, IS partners and the opposition, which "for the collapse of Syria", bombed

      By the way, he answered. Some Kurds, just behind the collapse of Syria. And by whom we will wet the "opposition" - violet, if only not our guys. Yesterday, Hezbolah with the IRGC (also interventionists). Today the Turks added hi
      Cynically, Our Guys Are Not Promised Our Guys, Only Maternal Tears
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 22 January 2018 19: 26
        0
        Are you ready to "water the Assad opposition" by any means: terrorists, Turks, Iranian proxies, Kurds etc? Do you think Russia is conducting a holy war against the SSA and its ilk in Syria? )) We are simply using any available means to fish in the muddy waters of someone else's civil war. For example, giving the Turks a portion of the country’s territory, the integrity of which we have declared to protect ... I understand the value of the Syrian experience for our army, but everything else, sorry, puts our policy there on a par with other Middle Eastern players who are not disdain by any means.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 22 January 2018 19: 41
          +5
          Quote: Anyone
          Are you ready to "water the Assad opposition" by any means: terrorists, Turks, Iranian proxies, Kurds etc? Do you think Russia is conducting a holy war against the SSA and its ilk in Syria? )))

          I said. I'm cynical. I have three boys of military age. Two can easily be sent cannon fodder today, the third, in a year. Do you want to harness for the Kurds - please, but your sons hi
          1. MadCat
            MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 28
            0
            Quote: Tusv
            Do you want to harness for the Kurds - please, but your sons

            Then the question is, what will Assad harness for? That’s really why, if you don’t even keep your word and shame over and over again?
  19. Herculesic
    Herculesic 22 January 2018 17: 28
    +8
    That is, when they were asked not to tear the territory of Syria, not to create a state in the state, they ignored our requests! And now, when pressed, suddenly we betrayed them? fool They themselves hoped for the United States, when the landlords chopped off a piece of themselves from Syria, what did they not show to the Yankees, or did they know that the United States would simply send them? ??
  20. Town Hall
    Town Hall 22 January 2018 17: 32
    +8
    "...Our friends are Turks, together with our enemies, the Syrian liberation army, supported and supplied by our enemies, the Americans, will jointly fight our enemy ISIS.

    At the same time, our friend Assad announced that he would bring down all of our friend Erdogan’s planes, to which our friend Turkey brought to Afrin, from where he had previously kicked us out, the missile launchers that the Americans had put to them in order to bring down our missiles from the launchers C400 in the territory where they are fighting with our friends Kurds, who are also supported by an American regime that is hostile to us and with whom we have signed agreements for the development of oil fields and which our friend Assad also hates.


    And also, a friend of Turkey, Russia, will demand from the friend of Turkey in the UN that they stop the hostilities against our Kurds friend, who are enemies of our friend Assad and those of our friend Turkey. This statement to the UN will be supported by the representative of our friend Assad, directed against our friend Turkey
    .... "
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 30
      0
      World Labor Chewing Gum angry
  21. Falcond
    Falcond 22 January 2018 17: 32
    +2
    The Kurds apparently hoped that Polite people without insignia would come to the territory under their control and organize a referendum there on the issue of secession from Syria ?! Not guys who supply you weapons, ask those !!!
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 22 January 2018 17: 57
      0
      Quote: FalconD
      The Kurds apparently hoped that polite people would arrive in the territory under their control.

      I believe that this is not a calculation, but a State Department training manual. The Kurds joined the n-s, and when it flew in from above, Russia, you see, betrayed them. Still Russia to Georgia in 2008 attacked, Ukraine occupied and is about to attack the Baltic states.
  22. Livonetc
    Livonetc 22 January 2018 17: 34
    +1
    Quote: Fayth
    Syria very much resembles Sarajevo and Czechoslovakia, a very strong plexus and strong pressure per square meter. km + crazy religious constituents of this conflict both among the Muslims / Jews and among Christians (which, in fact, are only we who have not entered into ecumenism.
    Health to you, brethren, I tell you like a rocket launcher, without betrayal inside we are invincible!
    laughing
    "They are all weaklings in this Czechoslabakia"
  23. turcom
    turcom 22 January 2018 17: 35
    +6
    At the negotiations on Afrin, Russia put before the Kurds an ultimatum, you agree with Assad’s administration in Afran and return the oil-bearing territories on the eastern coast of Efrat to the control of government forces. Kurds refused. The result is being reaped now. After Afrina, Erdogan will take up the northeastern territories, which are now listed as Kurds.
  24. pilot69
    pilot69 22 January 2018 17: 43
    0
    And with what fright should Russia worry about you Kurds? All this time you rushed between "smart and beautiful." Why, excuse me, "hell", Russia get stuck in your showdown with the Turks? It is said - the Russian Federation stands for the "integrity and indivisibility" of Syria. Dot.
  25. Warrior with machine gun
    Warrior with machine gun 22 January 2018 17: 46
    +2
    I would even say a way of being hi
  26. Anyone
    Anyone 22 January 2018 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: FalconD
    Not guys who supply you weapons, ask those !!!

    I’ve specifically found it:
    People returned to this region [Afrin] because, thanks to the Russian military police who arrived there, apparently, stability and order were ensured there. “There is no de-escalation zone in Afrin, there is a so-called de-conflict zone and a Russian center for reconciliation operates. At the end of August, a committee of national reconciliation was created in the canton of Afrin, which included representatives of local provincial self-government bodies, the opposition and the center for reconciliation, ”- so in September 2017, the Russian military police lieutenant colonel Georgy Petrunin told the media about the situation in Afghanistan

    And suddenly, after a couple of months of the month, we declare that in this region are in full swing
    ... Pentagon uncontrolled deliveries of modern weapons to pro-US forces

    and also have a place to be
    ... US provocative steps aimed at isolating areas with a predominantly Kurdish population lead to disruption of the peace process and hinder inter-Syrian negotiations in the "Geneva format", which should include Kurds


    P.S. This is not even funny.
  27. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 January 2018 17: 47
    +7
    It’s still possible to argue who betrayed whom ... When Russia started the operation in Syria and it was very difficult for us, you kept silent, Hezbollah is who deserves the trust of ours and Syria! In the most difficult period we stood shoulder to shoulder with us! But you could have autonomy if you had not betrayed Russia and Assad ..
    Let Erdogan now teach you the mind of the mind, for the future of which you will no longer have Allah Akbar!
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 22 January 2018 21: 07
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Hesbollah is who deserves the trust of both ours and Syria! In the most difficult period we stood shoulder to shoulder with us!

      They have no other choice. After Syria, the turn would come and Hesbollah and Iran would be next. Therefore, they will stand shoulder to shoulder so that war does not come to their families in their homes! Nowhere is easier ...
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 22 January 2018 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: Hottabych
        They have no other choice. After Syria, the turn would come and Hesbollah and Iran would be next.

        You are a little wrong .. The same Kurds, like Russia supported, then betrayed and sold to the USA hehe
        The result now we know, Turkey teaches them the mind reason ..))) wink And these guys (Hezbollah) were ready to die with the Russians! (and they did it and more than once saving ours, sacrificing their fighters ..)
        It is not customary to advertise, Israel hates them and is trying to destroy them .. In an impudent bombing missile at their base in Syria .. I am ashamed and painful for them!
        Well, nothing, there will be a holiday on our street .. angry
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 23 January 2018 16: 28
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          The same Kurds, like Russia supported, then betrayed and sold to the USA hehe

          The Kurds have already arrived at the war, and they are on the threshold. And they understand that 100% will be next ...
          Therefore, it is better to fight in a foreign land for your homeland. And most importantly, when they fight in Syria they know that everything is in order with the family !!!
          It’s just such circumstances. Kurds, shmurdy - people are all the same.
    2. MadCat
      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 32
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Hesbollah is who deserves the trust of both ours and Syria!

      Best friends, they also supply drugs at reduced prices, which can be better! fellow
  28. Pacifist
    Pacifist 22 January 2018 17: 48
    +7
    No gentlemen Kurds. No one has betrayed you. You were invited to stand on the side of the legitimate authorities. You preferred to hang out with the Americans, turn a blind eye to ISIS and Nusra, try to organize a country for yourself with American money under the guise and put in part that all this is happening on the territory of the SAR, and it’s illegal. Ignore our attempts to return to normal. And when your ass started yelling, "the guard betrayed us!" Well done, well instructors taught you in the training manual "And we are for sho ?!"
  29. Hort
    Hort 22 January 2018 17: 50
    0
    Yes, none of the "old-timers" in that region needs a free Kurdistan as a new state, so the Kurds are merged with joint efforts, roughly speaking.
  30. lopvlad
    lopvlad 22 January 2018 17: 51
    +8
    Russia betrayed the Kurds in Afrin


    Russia initially agreed with the Kurds that they would be given autonomy but necessarily within Syria. The Kurds at first supported this, but then they were seduced by American promises and wanted a state separate from Syria.
    Russia initially did not support the division of Syria into separate states, and the more so because these states will be under US control.

    So the Kurds thought that the most cunning and were left alone.
  31. arhPavel
    arhPavel 22 January 2018 17: 58
    0
    They worked together and no one threw anyone (at least to the public) but someone wanted to work with ami. And here already excuse me, on 2 chairs I’ll tear my ass up
  32. Simon
    Simon 22 January 2018 17: 59
    +3
    Quote: maxim947
    Shmurdy Kurds ... to drive them all away. Each creature bred in pairs and each has its own king in his head with demands on his territory. They were offered autonomy - they refused, and now rake it now. The less "don’t get anyone" there, the easier it will be to clean up.

    The Kurds missed their time, they had to go under Assad’s wing, and they turned out to want their state. Would be with Assad, the Turks would not dare to touch them. Russia with Syria, and they sold out to the Americans. fool
  33. flicker
    flicker 22 January 2018 18: 00
    +3
    Top YPG: Russia betrayed the Kurds in Afrin

    And not a word about his brothers from the SDF. No.
  34. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 22 January 2018 18: 01
    +1
    One of the Kurdish movements in Afrin revealed that the Kurds rejected the Russian offer to transfer the territories under their control to the Syrian government. This was reported by the Iranian news agency FARS.
    Aldar Khalil, a senior Kurdish Democratic Society military movement, said Kurdish militants in Afrika rejected a Russian offer to transfer areas under their control to the Syrian government.
    And who do we owe there? Another gang in Syria?
    1. karish
      karish 22 January 2018 18: 05
      +4
      Quote: Furious Bambr
      One of the Kurdish movements in Afrin revealed that the Kurds rejected the Russian proposal transfer the territories under their control to the Syrian government.

      This is a violation of the agreement on de-escalation zones - the guarantor of which was Russia.

      Quote: Furious Bambr
      And who do we owe there? Another gang in Syria?

      there are generally some gangs that some have. what others have.
      But then the question is, what then did the Russian contingent and the RF Ministry of Defense de-escalation center do in Afghanistan?
      Or nobody heard about the de-escalation zones and agreements thereon?
      1. bk316
        bk316 22 January 2018 18: 13
        +4
        No need to conclude allied treaties with the enemies of Russia. This also applies to you six-pointed. Who is the enemy of Russia to explain?
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 44
          0
          Quote: bk316
          No need to conclude allied treaties with the enemies of Russia. This also applies to you six-pointed. Who is the enemy of Russia to explain?

          The best thing is, of course, to fence off the fence and wave a nuclear club from there. Dry and comfortable, yeah.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 22 January 2018 18: 33
        0
        Quote: karish
        This is a violation of the de-escalation zone agreement

        Utter statement. The first was a memorandum, not a treaty. Found the second from Anyone:
        Quote: Anyone
        “There is no de-escalation zone in Afrin, there is a so-called deconfliction zone and a Russian center for reconciliation operates.

        We will look further! yes
      3. user1212
        user1212 22 January 2018 18: 59
        +3
        Quote: karish
        de-escalation zones and agreements thereon

        This is a de-escalation agreement between Syrians and Kurds. It does not mention the obligation of Syria or the Russian Federation to protect the Kurds from a third party. Let me remind you, the Kurds do not recognize the legitimacy of Assad’s authority in Afghanistan
      4. Hottabych
        Hottabych 22 January 2018 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: karish
        This is a violation of the agreement on de-escalation zones - the guarantor of which was Russia.

        In no case...
        By force, no one was going to rob anyone. They were offered a voluntary transfer agreement, otherwise the threats of the evil uncle Erdogan, who promised to prevent the Kurds from creating their own state, would come true ... Turkey formally violates the de-escalation treaties, to which Russia and Syria make a remark to her. stop
        Turks consider the Kurds to be terrorists, as well as some neighbors Israel. Only, the Kurds do not have their own state, this is the difference and the Turks feel the truth ....
  35. bald
    bald 22 January 2018 18: 02
    0
    That pancake was prepared by the "comrade" - actually Russia, in their conflict in it, while neutrality. And how much green did Sipan Hemo put in his pocket, being sold to the states?
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 23 January 2018 06: 47
      0
      Quote: bald
      And how much green did Sipan Hemo put in his pocket, being sold to the states?

      Did you hold a candle over him? Such excuses look kindergarten. They say that it’s not us, they are sooo bad uncles, we passed by, built a headquarters and concluded an agreement by accident .... and THEY ... crying
      1. bald
        bald 23 January 2018 07: 02
        +2
        And they just contacted the states, business then. Yes, and even Russia betrayed them - to whom, the question? Russia did not unleash this conflict, Russia does not participate in it in any way. And what do you think, for beautiful eyes, this “Kurd” suffered such nonsense - in fact, it’s not profitable for him to say that, setting Russia against the Kurds, and now conclude why he said that and who benefits from it. If you think at least a little, and candles are not necessary.
  36. tol
    tol 22 January 2018 18: 03
    0
    The first time or something, the hopes of Russian capitalism are not met
  37. A.
    A. 22 January 2018 18: 08
    +4
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Not everyone understands that “being friends” with mattresses is tantamount to sticking a hand in the mouth of a lion ...

    Rather, in the hole of a rustic toilet.
  38. Antor
    Antor 22 January 2018 18: 10
    +3
    How many warriors of Russia have laid their heads for interests alien to us, it is enough to open a history textbook !!! The Kurds have the right to make some statements, but let them first look at themselves, they want to sit on the shore, like we are on our own, but together with the United States, and you Russia save us from Turkey !! ??? And what the hell was it to “vomit” when they were offered to be in Syria, they want their own state, then where does Russia, after all, Turkey doesn’t want to have a haemorrhoids on its borders in the form of Kurdistan. All cunning, but Russia is already thinking with his head .... and rightly so. And about the threats against Russia, it is so reckless ... as if later I didn’t have to regret !!!!!
  39. Anyone
    Anyone 22 January 2018 18: 12
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Hesbollah is who deserves the trust of both ours and Syria!

    Hezbollah's participation in the Syrian civil war consists largely of increasing entropy in Syria. Because of her actions in Homs, additional parties were drawn into the Syrian conflict. For example, Lebanese Salaf. Moreover, on the side of the “green” and al-Nusra. Hezbollah is a terrorist like all other jihadists.
  40. Wolka
    Wolka 22 January 2018 18: 18
    0
    Kurds, the Yankees feed you, so let them harness for you in front of the Turks, Russia promised you nothing except autonomy within Syria, and to be honest, the Turks should properly soap their neck and put on the top ...
  41. Piramidon
    Piramidon 22 January 2018 18: 20
    +2
    Kurds, these are still prostitutes. They rush around and don’t know to whom and for how much to surrender. They decided to lie under the Yankees. Now reaping the benefits.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 23: 19
      0
      Quote: Piramidon
      Kurds, these are still prostitutes. They rush around and don’t know to whom and for how much to surrender. They decided to lie under the Yankees. Now reaping the benefits.

      So I think everything is more prosaic. Sooner or later, pro-American people will come to power through official elections in the SAR, who will not allow the Turks to arrange a nook on their border and offend the poor orphans - Kurds. Therefore, before the change of power, Turkey needs to seize as much of the territory of the SAR and Iraq as possible, either for their further inclusion in Turkey, or for turning these territories into buffer zones (LDNR, RSO, etc. - our school), or for further bargaining with the Anglo-Saxons (for sure, the Jews will also receive their "six hundred parts") ...
      "Each sister earring":
      1. The United States and Co. (primarily Israel) receive Syrian oil;
      2) Turks Efrat and all hydroelectric power stations on it, as well as buffer zones (where Kurds once lived);
      3) Kurds - Kurdistan with little access to the Mediterranean Sea;
      4) Israel is a more direct border line in the south of the SAR and part of its coast;
      5) RF WB (VVB and VMB) in Latakia (Tartus will have to be freed) to control the empirialists in the Eastern Mediterranean and the promise from all of the above that there will be no pipe leading to the EU in the next 1 000 years, or will be, but in sharing ...
      Everyone is happy and satisfied, except for Iran, but this is the concern of the Anglo-Saxons and Israeli Jews ....
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 23 January 2018 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        and the promise from all of the above that there will be no pipe leading to the EU in the next 1 years in the ATS, or will be, but in joint use ...

        laughing Promise.
  42. Lexus
    Lexus 22 January 2018 18: 24
    0
    Top YPG: Russia betrayed the Kurds in Afrin

    And in what, actually? They didn’t seek us “friends” very well. All somehow with the "mattresses" flirted. So, now let them receive in full. You look, brains will fall into place.
  43. race
    race 22 January 2018 18: 30
    +1
    Russia had a military mission in Afrin for 2 years. There have been certain agreements. But Russia betrayed us, ignoring all previously concluded agreements. Russia turned out to be a state without principles.

    Betray not get used, the first time or something.
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 22 January 2018 22: 04
      +2
      Quote: Rasen
      Betray not get used, the first time or something.

      Do you write for Polish apples with Belarusian stickers? tongue
      1. race
        race 22 January 2018 22: 23
        0
        Quote: Dym71
        Do you write for Polish apples with Belarusian stickers? tongue

        Not guessed - for Belarusian cheese with Italian mold. laughing
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 22 January 2018 22: 48
          +1
          Quote: Rasen
          Not guessed - for Belarusian cheese with Italian mold. laughing

          Oh great man, you can’t even see your brother right away. lol


          Nykhay long live magutny, brave
          Our Belarusians are free spirit.
          Our standard is bel-chyrvona-bel,
          Packed saboo folk ruh.
          1. race
            race 23 January 2018 20: 01
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            But you are knowledgeable - I didn’t know such a verse.
            Well, all right, you still didn’t guess.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 23 January 2018 20: 37
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              Quote: Rasen
              Are you knowledgeable

              The main thing is not to be alighted wink
              Quote: Rasen
              I didn’t know such a verse.

              "The nut of knowledge is hard, but nevertheless we are not used to retreat! The magazine" Charter'97 "will help us to split it! fellow
              1. race
                race 23 January 2018 22: 26
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                Quote: Dym71

                "The nut of knowledge is hard, but nevertheless we are not used to retreat! The magazine" Charter'97 "will help us to split it! fellow

                Bravo! I agree, you need to know the enemy by sight, but otherwise, on such a site as "Charter'97", nothing useful can be found, only slop.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 22 January 2018 22: 04
      +2
      Quote: Rasen
      Betray not get used, the first time or something.

      Would you shut up comrade non-brothers
      1. race
        race 22 January 2018 22: 12
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        Quote: KaPToC
        Would you shut up comrade non-brothers

        I understand the truth hurts my eyes.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 22 January 2018 22: 50
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          Quote: Rasen
          I understand the truth hurts my eyes.

          About like Belarusian oysters and mussels, you are no different from Ukrainians.
          1. race
            race 23 January 2018 20: 17
            +2
            Quote: KaPToC
            Quote: Rasen
            I understand the truth hurts my eyes.

            About like Belarusian oysters and mussels, you are no different from Ukrainians.

            But really, how should we be different? Belorussians, like Little Russians, and you (Great Russians) are all Russians. The authorities are trying to divide us and convince us that we are very different, by the way, this applies to our (Belarusian) least. And you follow their lead. If you continue in the same vein, after a while you will write the same thing to the Siberians, then to the Urals, Kuban, Volzhans, until you remain within the borders of the Moscow principality, and then the Moscow Ring Road.
            Yes, I almost forgot, do not buy "Belarusian" oysters and mussels. I myself do not buy them. Buy Belarusian cheese better - it's good.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 23 January 2018 21: 05
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              Quote: Rasen
              Belorussians, like Little Russians, and you (Great Russians) are all Russians.

              Russians are for Russians, for Russia, and you are against, so what kind of Russian are you?
              Quote: Rasen
              And you follow their lead.

              And you have nothing to do with it?
              Quote: Rasen
              Yes, I almost forgot, do not buy "Belarusian" oysters and mussels.

              And we do not buy, but they are in the store.
              Quote: Rasen
              But really, how should we be different?

              Honesty for example.
              1. race
                race 23 January 2018 21: 49
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                Quote: KaPToC
                Quote: Rasen
                Belorussians, like Little Russians, and you (Great Russians) are all Russians.

                Russians are for Russians, for Russia, and you are against, so what kind of Russian are you?

                You do not decide for me - for whom I am, and here I am not going to prove my Russianness.
                "Russians for Russians"! What then are you-Russians, Russian ukrohunte issue? I explain: Russian militias from New Russia.
                Quote: KaPToC
                Quote: Rasen
                And you follow their lead.

                And you have nothing to do with it?

                Yes, I, along the way, have nothing to do with it.
                Quote: KaPToC
                Quote: Rasen
                Yes, I almost forgot, do not buy "Belarusian" oysters and mussels.

                And we do not buy, but they are in the store.

                Then just don’t look at them, what should I teach you? Or do they annoy you so much?
                Quote: KaPToC
                Quote: Rasen
                But really, how should we be different?

                Honesty for example.

                That's it, I mean it. I can imagine, if it was January 2016, which high would stand here for the Turks. Now what? Did the Turks suddenly become such friends? That is, everything is already forgotten: the deceased commander of the downed Su-24, and the official support by the Turkish leadership of the terrorists in Syria (which is ongoing) You have a short memory. Or you are hypocrites.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 23 January 2018 22: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Rasen
                  Did the Turks suddenly become such friends?

                  Russia has two friends - its army and navy, I note that neither Turkey nor Syria is on this list, just like there are no friends of former allies in the USSR on this list.
                  Quote: Rasen
                  dead commander of a downed Su-24

                  Well, you're glad to gloat, poke us with our nose into our failures. I note that there are no Belarusian military in Syria.
                  Quote: Rasen
                  Then just don’t look at them, what should I teach you?

                  Teach your wife ... cabbage soup.
                  Quote: Rasen
                  You do not decide for me - for whom I am, and here I am not going to prove my Russianness.

                  That's right, because it won’t work out.
                  1. race
                    race 23 January 2018 22: 53
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                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Quote: Rasen
                    Did the Turks suddenly become such friends?

                    Russia has two friends - its army and navy, I note that neither Turkey nor Syria is on this list, just like there are no friends of former allies in the USSR on this list.

                    More precisely, it is not a friend, but an ally - the army and navy. We believe that these allies will only grow stronger over time.
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Quote: Rasen
                    dead commander of a downed Su-24

                    Well, you're glad to gloat, poke us with our nose into our failures.

                    Do you see gloating or envy everywhere? What sympathy have you heard? And imagine, because people not only in Russia can empathize with your failures and rejoice at your successes.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 24 January 2018 00: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Rasen
                      And imagine, because people not only in Russia can empathize with your failures and rejoice at your successes.

                      Yeah, and blame us for betrayal.
              2. You Vlad
                You Vlad 24 January 2018 02: 48
                +2
                Russians are for Russians, for Russia, and you are against, so what kind of Russian are you?
                The man expressed his opinion, he has the right to it? Has the right to have his own opinion? You calm down, hot Russian guy. He writes to you correctly that our partners are trying to pit us, have patience and other arguments in the dispute.
        2. poquello
          poquello 22 January 2018 23: 09
          +1
          Quote: Rasen
          Quote: KaPToC
          Would you shut up comrade non-brothers

          I understand the truth hurts my eyes.

          no, balabol annoit
        3. Same lech
          Same lech 23 January 2018 06: 52
          0
          I understand the truth hurts my eyes.


          smile It’s necessary to spit in the well of a neighbor ... ah ah ah ...
          spitting can fly back.
          1. race
            race 23 January 2018 20: 20
            +1
            And why is a neighbor in the well? No, it’s also in its own well, which, in fact, is common.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 23 January 2018 21: 12
              +1
              Quote: Rasen
              And why is a neighbor in the well? No, it’s also in its own well, which, in fact, is common.

              That's about the "common well" do not need lies here. You accused us that Russia again betrayed someone there, that we should not get used to it. I note that Belarus does not support Russia either in Syria or in Ukraine, nowhere, but only at gas prices for her beloved.
              1. race
                race 23 January 2018 22: 16
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                Quote: KaPToC
                Quote: Rasen
                And why is a neighbor in the well? No, it’s also in its own well, which, in fact, is common.

                That's about the "common well" do not need lies here. You accused us that Russia again betrayed someone there, that we should not get used to it. I note that Belarus does not support Russia either in Syria or in Ukraine, nowhere, but only at gas prices for her beloved.

                In this case, it is necessary to distinguish between the people of Belarus and its leadership. The overwhelming majority of people have always been for Russia, and the leadership has its own interests. This is politics.
                Apparently, a little clarification is needed. When I posted my first comment: “Betray not get used to it,” I did not mean the Russian people, but the leadership, as if it were not unpleasant for many, including me.
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 23 January 2018 22: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Rasen
                  In this case, it is necessary to distinguish between the people of Belarus and its leadership.

                  With this approach you end up as Serbs - betraying their leader.
                  Quote: Rasen
                  Apparently, a little clarification is needed. When I posted my first comment: “Betray not get used to it,” I did not mean the Russian people, but the leadership, as if it were not unpleasant for many, including me.

                  This is our leadership, we have no other and we are not going to give it up.
                  When you accused us of treason, you were not even embarrassed by the fact that there was no betrayal, but you were glad to scream, so you were in a hurry to say disgusting things about us.
                  1. race
                    race 23 January 2018 23: 07
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                    Quote: KaPToC
                    This is our leadership, we have no other and we are not going to give it up.

                    And this, in principle, is correct. After reading the friendly "approvals" of surrendering Afrin to the Turks in the comments, I understood that.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 24 January 2018 00: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Rasen
                      friendly "approvals" surrender Afrin to the Turks

                      Twenty-five again. What is the surrender of Afrin to the Turks? She didn’t belong to us so that we would hand her over. But in general, you are right, we categorically approve that Russian soldiers do not die for the interests of others.
                  2. race
                    race 24 January 2018 21: 53
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                    Quote: KaPToC
                    This is our leadership, we have no other and we are not going to give it up.

                    So you accept part of the responsibility for the extradition of Donetsk militias to the Ukrainian authorities?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 25 January 2018 13: 53
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                      Quote: Rasen
                      So you accept part of the responsibility for the extradition of Donetsk militias to the Ukrainian authorities?

                      Donetsk militias in Donetsk, and not in Russia, I’m not sure that the people handed out are Donetsk militias, but it doesn’t matter, the lawyers understand the way.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 January 2018 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: Rasen
      Betray not get used, the first time or something.

      And don’t say ....

      The Belarusian Foreign Minister lays a wreath at the Tbilisi Memorial to the heroes who died in the struggle for the territorial integrity of Georgia.
      I translate into Russian: this is a memorial in memory of those who tried to clear Abkhazia and South Ossetia (twice).
      For comparison: when our Foreign Ministry found out that the laying of wreaths was included in the mandatory program of the official visit of the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the format of the visit was immediately changed, so there was no laying of wreaths.
      1. race
        race 23 January 2018 20: 59
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        Since I do not watch Belarusian news - thanks for the information. In general, nothing surprising. From "our" authorities and this can be expected. It’s all about the money, “ours” will lay wreaths on anyone, if only they would sign at least some contract for the purchase of Belarusian goods. The crisis, you see.
        But you still compared: laying a wreath and surrendering to the strike of aviation and artillery a whole enclave with civilians, including. Although, with one phone call, some could stop this whole event. But here everything is clear - money again. Is not it? Why spoil relations with the Turks, with whom there is already a common gas pipeline, and in the future, a nuclear power plant, especially since relations with them have only been adjusted. And this is politics.
  44. garnik
    garnik 22 January 2018 18: 32
    +1
    Quote: Gray Brother
    If the Kurds do not obey the Syrian government, then the Syrian government is not obliged to protect them.

    Once again, the CAA provides a corridor for the transfer of aid from the Rakkan Kurdistan to the Athenian. All the same, for Assad, Kurds are preferable than Turks.
  45. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 22 January 2018 18: 33
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    It’s more expensive to negotiate with the tribes. The new leader - new beads.
  46. earloop
    earloop 22 January 2018 19: 13
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    They tried to suck two queen bees without being a “fat calf,” which, if “obedient, sucks two queen bears).
  47. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 22 January 2018 19: 36
    +4
    They wrote that someone outplayed someone. Tell me, who did we beat? If you throw away speculation, how to wipe the glasses and stop giving out what is visible as desired, then a very bad picture emerges for us and the Syrians.
  48. Anyone
    Anyone 22 January 2018 19: 45
    +1
    Quote: Tusv
    I said. I'm cynical. I have three boys of military age. Two can easily be sent cannon fodder today, the third, in a year. Do you want to harness for the Kurds - please, but your sons hi

    You didn’t understand something, probably: I do not want to harness (Asa thesaurus) not only for Kurds, but also for Assad, and I never wanted to. And yes, I myself have two boys: 19 and 15 years old.
  49. Prisoner
    Prisoner 22 January 2018 19: 55
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    Look how trump pigeons started talking. And then they went up their noses, saying they themselves with a mustache and you don’t have a decree for us. winked As a priest burned so Russia is to blame. Excuse me, but Russia is not Mother Teresa (the kingdom of heaven to her), so that you would wipe the snot and plow on you. They themselves wanted to steer, so steer. hi
  50. Lena_Why
    Lena_Why 22 January 2018 19: 58
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    Well, you would have more with pins ... you talked!
    You can’t sit on two chairs!