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Canvas bags instead of metal boxes: Russia is developing new rules for the transport of weapons

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The Ministry of Transport of Russia has prepared a draft order on the approval of new federal aviation of the rules "On the procedure for the carriage of baggage by civil aviation aircraft containing weapon, patrons to it, special means ", report News.


Canvas bags instead of metal boxes: Russia is developing new rules for the transport of weapons


According to the draft, the requirement to transport weapons on civilian aircraft only in metal boxes should be abolished. Instead, it is proposed to use canvas bags to be sealed.

The procedure of public discussion of this initiative is underway. After its completion, the text of the project will be posted in the public domain.
told in the Ministry of Transport.

“Russian airlines have asked to change the existing rules for the transportation of weapons. For example, S7 for the development of regional transport received last spring 70-local Embraer-170 - the smallest member of this family, not previously exploited in our country. It turned out that the installation of metal boxes in it significantly limits the ability to load passengers' luggage, ”the newspaper writes.

S7 was supported by other airlines. At Domodedovo airport, it was reported that in international practice there is no requirement to install metal boxes on board aircraft.

According to Tatyana Goldobina, the head coach of the Russian national team for bullet shooting, the shooters hand over their weapons in special cases with locks. The security service carries out the appropriate checks. In most types of aircraft, baggage compartments are structurally separated from passenger compartments.

Security officers open each case, check the weapon itself and permit its removal. Then close the case and seal it. Then the service representatives independently transport the weapon to the aircraft’s board and load it in the presence of the pilot,
explained Goldobina.

However, the head of the Center for Legal and Psychological Assistance in Extreme Situations, Mikhail Vinogradov, believes that the aerodrome security service is calmer when the weapon is in a metal box.

When loading or unloading an airplane, there is always the danger that the movers may be alone with the bag where the weapon is. Among movers there are people with criminal inclinations, no doubt about it. About thefts, including bulky cargo, the media reported constantly. Cutting the bag, especially if it is linen, is a matter of a few seconds. As a result, the weapon may suddenly be in the hands of an unknown person in the middle of the airport,
said criminologist.
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Alexey Malgavko / RIA News
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  1. The black
    The black 22 January 2018 10: 39
    +6
    The metal boxes that are now needed for transporting weapons are archaism ..... it's high time
    When loading or unloading an airplane, there is always a danger that the movers may be left alone with the bag where the weapon is.
    But what about the security service ?, and the transport police? .... You can also accompany the cargo from the plane to the point of transfer to the owner ..... Tea doesn’t carry weapons on each side .... WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 January 2018 13: 57
      +1
      Canvas bags instead of metal boxes: in the Russian Federation new rules for the transportation of weapons are being developed
      some insanity ... it's the same weapon and not firewood ... what
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 January 2018 17: 53
        +2
        To carry precision and sports “trunks” in a bag is at least doubtful. Especially if rubbish is piled on top and fixed "above the norm". A couple of shocks in the "air holes" and landing in difficult weather conditions - you can forget about accuracy.
  2. Altona
    Altona 22 January 2018 10: 40
    +8
    But the canvas bag will not protect the weapon from deformation, in addition to the fact that criminal elements can seize it.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 22 January 2018 10: 44
      +3
      besides the fact that criminal elements can master it.

      There is a new requirement to install special locks on weapons that exclude shooting from it.
      1. The black
        The black 22 January 2018 10: 48
        +2
        But the canvas bag will not protect the weapon from deformation, in addition to the fact that criminal elements can seize it.
        Here the question is different - now the airline MUST have on board metal boxes for transporting weapons ..... if this norm goes away - where did they turn it in (arms case, "bag" metal box) - that will be transported
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 22 January 2018 12: 01
        +6
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        There is a new requirement to install special locks on weapons that exclude shooting from it.

        While there is no such requirement, there is a discussion. Instead of toughening the punishment for the theft of weapons, right up to the attempt to kill, in my opinion ... they are trying to shift the responsibility to law-abiding weapon owners.
        And it should be like this ... He stole a weapon - 20 years in prison. Without any emollients. He found the trunk on the street, stand nearby and call the authorities by phone. He lifted -20 years in prison.
        And to introduce the principle of my home is my fortress. Any illegal penetration should be punished. It's time for men to develop a sense of master on their land and in their home, otherwise the matriarchy has already done slobber ...
        1. M. Michelson
          M. Michelson 24 January 2018 23: 16
          0
          Oh yes, cool macho!
          These vile, idiotic laws (back in Soviet times), punishing for the defense of their property, of course, the matriarchs wrote!
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 24 January 2018 23: 41
            +1
            Quote: M. Michelson
            Oh yes, cool macho!
            These vile, idiotic laws (back in Soviet times), punishing for the defense of their property, of course, the matriarchs wrote!

            Yes, I believe that the law is written in favor of bandits and attackers. Russian judicial practice confirms this.
            Yes, I believe that most Russian men are raised by women, therefore raised by henpecked and not able to take responsibility for the family, and even more for the country .... Examples? Yes, for example, when a man gives all his money to his wife ... For me it’s simply not clear and ridiculous. And the whole state is on the side of women, which further corrupts them.
            Only a very vile and vile person insults a person remotely, knowing that he will not receive an insult on his face.
            1. M. Michelson
              M. Michelson 24 January 2018 23: 44
              0
              You say mean and stupid things.
              For you, humanity froze 100 years ago. One hundred years ago, giving a woman a salary was really shameful. But what if the husband is now paying his wife, the candidate of science and an advanced worker?
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 25 January 2018 00: 28
                +1
                Quote: M. Michelson
                But what if the husband is now paying his wife, the candidate of science and an advanced worker?

                Keep giving back.

                At least a hundred, at least a thousand years ago, even now ... and in the future the head of a normal family is a husband. A wife is a friend, assistant, ally.
                Men are divided into two categories ...
                Normal, self-sufficient men who completely manage their families, and these are mostly full-fledged, strong, large families. Marriages are strong and stable for life.
                And the so-called aleni (terminology is not mine). Henpecked, baboroby who do not know how, and often do not want to take control of the family. These are mainly men who grew up without a father and raised by mothers, grandmothers, aunts ... men despised and completely go to the left. Each fourth avenue brings up a stranger’s child without knowing about it. Every second brings up a stranger in remarriage.
                "Want to destroy the state, corrupt their women ..." - Dr. Rome.
      3. Foundling
        Foundling 22 January 2018 19: 46
        0
        There is no such requirement! Bye project
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 January 2018 10: 52
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      But the canvas bag will not protect the weapon from deformation,

      It seems to me that a plastic carrying case with a lock is quite enough, not a single normal person will surrender his weapon in a bag alone.
    3. svp67
      svp67 22 January 2018 10: 52
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      besides the fact that criminal elements can master it.

      I will probably upset you, but the "criminal element", if desired, will take possession of him in a metal box. They will find a way.
      Quote: Altona
      And the canvas bag will not protect the weapon from deformation.

      Most likely it’s not a weapon, but an aiming device, since I have little idea of ​​the situation so that the barrel could be bent. In any case, the issue of switching from a metal box to a canvas bag should be linked to the issue of insurance compensation.
      By the way, in our armored vehicles the AK crew should be stored in canvas bags ...
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 22 January 2018 11: 07
        +4
        Quote: svp67
        By the way, in our armored vehicles the AK crew should be stored in canvas bags ...

        So it’s official, but your own, beloved, is a completely different matter.
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 January 2018 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          So it’s official, but your own, beloved, is a completely different matter.

          It is of course ....
      2. 97110
        97110 22 January 2018 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        so that the trunk could be bent.

        But the bed easily breaks under the weight of a person accidentally stepping on a gun. Yes, and the trunks ... There is on VM material about a cook who defeated the Czech 38 (t) with an ax! Are the movers there according to the height of moral qualities? Or which ones? Can’t they disarm a single hunter by applying conventional PRR technology to luggage in a canvas bag?
        1. svp67
          svp67 22 January 2018 11: 20
          +3
          Quote: 97110
          Are the movers there according to the height of moral qualities?

          As far as I remember, weapons ALWAYS previously handed over PERSONALLY to the ship’s commander, under his responsibility and were always transported on board separately from the rest of the cargo.
          1. 97110
            97110 22 January 2018 12: 57
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            weapons ALWAYS, previously surrendered PERSONALLY to the commander of the ship, under his responsibility

            Previously, everything was. Fortunately, the weapon was carried only by myself, in the car. The prospect of entrusting something to someone’s “responsibility” immediately brings back memories of young reformers and their magnificent theory that it is NOT NECESSARY to work now - the market itself ... Does the commander pay extra for fussing with other people's weapons and for responsibility? As an example - where did the orderlies go to the ambulance? Their market has eaten. And the driver ate the market “stretcher”. Here is a paramedic girl (a doctor is also a market ...) and will mobilize someone to sick the patient ...
      3. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 22 January 2018 14: 30
        +2
        I had to somehow accompany the issuance and receipt on the civilian side of the arms of one Russian oligarch. At registration, the airport liner took one of the smooth-bore and began to twist it in his hands, he liked it. The barrel was really beautifully made - special order. When the lineman was told his cost, which was higher than his estimated salary for the entire service life, he even stopped breathing - he carefully laid it down and no longer touched it. I would like to see how they would be carried in a canvas bag ...
  3. K-50
    K-50 22 January 2018 10: 44
    +4
    There are people with criminal inclinations among the movers, there is no doubt about it. As a result, the weapon may suddenly fall into the hands of an unknown person in the middle of the airport

    And if you consider how shamelessly these "movers" handle other people's property, throwing it and kicking, then you can’t expect the integrity of this property. request
  4. Altona
    Altona 22 January 2018 10: 47
    +2
    Quote: K-50
    And if you consider how shamelessly these "movers" handle other people's property, throwing it and kicking, then you can’t expect the integrity of this property.

    ------------------------
    Here I am about the same thing, the trunks are bent in an elementary way in such containers and the receiver is remembered.
    1. The black
      The black 22 January 2018 10: 52
      +3
      And if you consider how shamelessly these "movers" handle other people's property, throwing it and kicking, then you can’t expect the integrity of this property.

      Here I am about the same thing, the trunks are bent in an elementary way in such containers and the receiver remembers

      There are special cases for this. wink
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 22 January 2018 11: 41
        +2
        Quote: Black
        There are special cases for this.

        and the case will bend and break ... people are so human that they can do anything ...
        one Russian Post what it costs lol
        1. The black
          The black 22 January 2018 13: 42
          +2
          Quote: Deadush
          and the case will bend and break ... people are so human that they can do anything ...
          one Russian Post what it costs

          these usually don't break anything ... they stupidly steal laughing
  5. Altona
    Altona 22 January 2018 10: 53
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Most likely it’s not a weapon, but an aiming device, since I have little idea of ​​the situation so that the barrel could be bent.

    ---------------------------
    A box with an exercise bike will also be placed on top of an adyu.
  6. slavaseven
    slavaseven 22 January 2018 11: 02
    +4
    As a result, a weapon may suddenly be in the hands of an unknown person

    Oh, loaders at airports are unknown people!
    I would also classify deputies in this category
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 22 January 2018 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: slavaseven
      Oh, loaders at airports are unknown people!

      Moreover, those whom they then throw off the stolen are also unknown people.
  7. Dead duck
    Dead duck 22 January 2018 11: 39
    +2
    Moreover, a clear fracture of the hull in the stern is noticeable, which leads to the conclusion that the frigate is practically lost, ”the material says.

    however ... we are already in America, all with weapons .... that even there are not enough boxes for them ?! what
    one is not enough?
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 January 2018 11: 42
    +6
    Everyone discusses with such seriousness what and how to transport weapons by air, which gives the impression of problems that visitors of the site have almost every week during transportation. They will approve the order and begin to transport in accordance with the new norms (rules). That’s all.
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 22 January 2018 11: 50
    0
    S7 for the development of regional transport received last spring 70-seater Embraer-170

    Buy the “right” planes for Russia, and there will be no problems.
  10. Hort
    Hort 22 January 2018 11: 51
    0
    Cutting the bag, especially if it is canvas, is a matter of a few seconds. As a result, a weapon may suddenly fall into the hands of an unknown person in the middle of the airport,

    Stupidity, stealing registered weapons - this must be a complete idiot, especially since it still needs to be taken out of the airport.
  11. Hort
    Hort 22 January 2018 12: 09
    +2
    And then, weapons on board the aircraft for transportation are delivered by the airport SAB, they also pick it up upon arrival from the flight. I strongly doubt that there are "unknown people with criminal inclinations" in the SAB laughing
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 22 January 2018 12: 20
    +1
    .. Cutting the bag, especially if it is canvas, is a matter of a few seconds ...
    I saw similar materials. It is necessary to cut it with a grinder and then, you will not immediately cut it. laughing
  13. gaudin
    gaudin 22 January 2018 12: 50
    +1
    As a result, a weapon may suddenly fall into the hands of an unknown person in the middle of the airport

    Are unknown people working at the airport? Drive such a security service.
  14. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 22 January 2018 14: 53
    0
    Movers at the airport have nothing to do with transported weapons! Weapons are received and issued by SAB employees. They transmit it to the crew (at the airport of departure) and receive it from him (at the airport of arrival). What to transport is everyone’s business. Of course, the trunk, standing like a cast-iron bridge, transported in a bag - bad manners. The question for me is different! The cost of the transported weapon (no one cares that you do not have an advantage, even if the ticket is with baggage) and the need to reissue it in case of transfer (and if the connection between flights is scanty?) !!! Here they created problems above the roof. By the way, I am grateful to the Vnukovo Sabers for understanding and humanity!
    And some airlines require you to declare the transportation of weapons during the purchase of a ticket in advance (in case of a purchase on the site, I have to call the airline)! Each port and airline has its own laws! Novy Urengoy Airport generally demanded that I pay and hand over the gas cylinder Mauser to the crew, despite the fact that it was packed and bagged. The presence of the certificate and the arguments that it is not a weapon were not accepted from the word AT ALL !!! Keyword GUN !!!!!! So, for people, they will not come up with anything good.
  15. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 22 January 2018 16: 04
    +1
    Quote: from article
    However, the head of the Center for Legal and Psychological Assistance in Extreme Situations, Mikhail Vinogradov, believes that the aerodrome security service is calmer when the weapon is in a metal box.

    The intelligent judgment of a sane, intelligent person based on experience. And I had to carry weapons and ammunition in metal crates with the fighters. In canvas bags, I would be worried ... And in the Ministry of Transport of Russia, smart people no longer work? Or did they also begin to apply the principle - "the worse, the better"?
  16. Nemesis
    Nemesis 22 January 2018 18: 06
    0
    Leaving a gun unattended in a bag is stupid, because anyone can open the bag, for example, a loader, and anyone can take on such work, including those who are sick with a headache, suffering from drug addiction and alcoholism. effects.