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The school tragedy in Ulan-Ude hit the pages of the largest American newspapers. The New York Times and the Washington Post are writing about a teenager with an ax. The massacre in Russia - not only in Buryatia and Perm, but also in other cities - essentially resembles what happened in the United States more than once. The Columbine Massacre (1999) became a kind of role model. Why does the younger generation take an example from the worst? It is simple: a good way leads to a constructive one, it takes a long time to learn this, and it is enough to imitate a bad one. Hence the crowd of current antiheroes.




In the south of Siberia, a teenager armed with an ax, attacked classmates at school, injured several children and a teacher. This was reported by Russian officials, writes "The New York Yimes" with reference to the Associated Press.

About the same informs its readers Washington Post.

According to the Investigative Committee of Russia, the ninth-grader entered the class during the lesson and attacked the seventh-graders and their teacher. He threw an incendiary bottle into the office and tried to commit suicide before the arrival of law enforcement officers. However, the guy failed to do this: the assailant was hospitalized.

An official investigation is underway. The motives of the teenager are not yet completely clear, indicate the American editions. The attack took place in the Sosnovy Bor microdistrict on the outskirts of the Buryat capital Ulan-Ude.

This is the second attack on the school, which happened in Russia last week. Also in the American editions it is reported that in another place two teenagers hit the children and their teachers with knives. A dozen people were injured. Then the teenagers with knives "tried to kill each other, but were detained."

As just reported Interfaxaffected by the attack in Ulan-Ude will receive compensation. This was stated by the head of Buryatia Alexey Tsydenov. Compensation amount 400 thousand rubles.

“Today we sign an order on the allocation of funds to the victims ... Everything is agreed, today the money must be brought to the people, the accounts are already open ... Since all the victims were in the hospital, and one of them is in serious condition, one in an extremely serious condition and four in a state of moderate severity All of them will receive, by analogy with federal regulations on 400, thousand rubles, of course, excluding the assailant, ”Tsydenov said.

As for the culprit of the tragedy, the teenager who committed the attack on the school, Oktyabrsky District Court of the capital of Buryatia extended the period of detention to January 11 hours 23.

The school in Sosnovy Bor has already resumed work. The tragedy is reminded by the fact that two representatives of the military police are on duty in the hall, a teacher is standing nearby. The children are now met by the director himself. Many schoolchildren came to class today with their parents. However, they are not allowed beyond the threshold.

As stated RIA News" A representative of the military police also received instructions not to let journalists inside. Allowed to enter children and teachers.

Military police will be on duty at school for at least a week, until further notice. Probably, further employees of a private security company will be hired.

A psychologist will attend the school all day.

The causes of the attack are now being investigated by the investigators. According to one of the versions, armed with an ax B. intended to take revenge on the teacher of the Russian language and literature: she recently gave him a deuce, spoiling the final grades for a quarter, reports "Baikal Daily".

Another version is based on the fact that B. has long been preparing an attack, wanting to "become famous" and repeat the "feats" of other schoolchildren. Adolescents who know B. reported that he was not distinguished by exemplary behavior, and he was often seen with cigarettes and drinks.

There is also information that the aforementioned B. was a member of the local community of the “Arrestant Unity”. AUE is a youth group living according to criminal "concepts".

The second tragedy happened at school number XXUMX in the Motovilikhinsky district of Perm. This bloody horror also hit the Western media.

“When the lesson began, two people came in and said:“ We will kill you, ”he quotes "BBC" one of the injured students of the 127 school was an employee of the Keith shopping center, where schoolchildren came running for help.

January 15 teacher Natalia Shagulina taught a class lesson for labor at 4 "B". Why did two teenagers go to her office? It is not known for certain. All the BBC interviewed people who dealt with the victims agree that the initiators of the attack entered the office consciously.

One of the attackers attacked the teacher, another blocked the door, and then both began hitting the children until they could escape from the classroom.

The Perm Department of Education stated that the teacher "took the whole brunt of herself." She was hospitalized with severe wounds. “Natalia Vasilyevna is a very courageous person. When she came to, the first thing she asked was: how are children, is everything okay? It’s a pity, he says that I couldn’t save everyone, ”said Olga Vasilyeva, Minister of Education of the Russian Federation.

Later, two groups of private security companies and fighters of the Rosguards arrived at the school. In the office number XXUMX, they found both the attackers bleeding.

As for the personalities with knives, then, according to the regional Ministry of Internal Affairs, "one of the instigators of the fight" was registered in a psycho-neurological dispensary, reports RBC. The second has already completed nine classes of this school and entered the Perm Polytechnic College named after. Slavyanova.

This second, L., was supposed to have an account on the VKontakte social network and was signed on the group dedicated to the shooting in Columbine (USA). In addition, he published on his page a video about that American tragedy.

The press notes that L. was a replicator. "He finished nine classes, - quotes "Life" parents of one of the students. - Repeatedly remained in the second year. It should be in 11, in theory. I studied badly. Previously, he was not aggressive, he was calm at school. To want to kill someone - no. His family is happy, there is a father and a mother. But he ran away from home. I didn't like being controlled. ”

If you run through the Russian media, a sad picture will open up to your eyes: blood in educational institutions in Russia is already a trend of modern times. That is why the massacre in Russian schools has already reached the American and European media.

A few days ago in high school pos. Smolny Chelyabinsk region student stabbed his "opponent". Motives are being investigated. According to preliminary data, "a weaker student tried to defend himself from the repetitionist who pestered him."

In November last year in a Moscow college were discovered bodies of third-year student A. Emelyannikov and teacher OBZH. The aforementioned Emelyannikov killed a teacher, and then published pictures on a page on the VKontakte network. Then the student committed suicide. According to version, the student settled accounts with the teacher: he threatened to expel him. Some of the student’s acquaintances linked the murder with mental opacities due to computer games.

September 2017 of the year. Teenager in school Ivanteevka shot from the pneumatic weapons to the teacher when she kicked him out of the lesson. “The boy was late for his computer science lesson. He came in ankle boots and a long black cloak. 38-year-old teacher made a remark to him because of this appearance, then she led him out of class. Pupils say that the teenager and the teacher spoke in raised voices, then there was a sound of a shot and the cries of the teacher, ”said source.



Judging by the records of "VKontakte", this student is a fan of weapons, and is also interested in mass executions in schools. There are jokes on his page like this: "A man with a gun will always find a purpose in life."

In February 2014, a high school student appeared in Moscow school №263 with a gun, from which shot in geography teacher. The latter died on the spot. When law enforcement officers arrived at the scene of the tragedy, the teenager began to shoot in their direction. One police officer was killed, the second was injured. Later this high school student was declared insane, and the court sent him for compulsory treatment. The incident described turned out to be the first case of shooting the “American scenario” in Russia.

This is not all tragic cases. Google yourself.

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Even on a superficial glance it is noticeable who begins the massacre in schools and colleges. First of all, these are unbalanced types, distinguished by poor academic performance: losers and repeaters. Among the reasons that pushed adolescents to the blood, are also called a craving for “selfie” at the crime scene and a desire to “become famous”. A sample for some bloodthirsty boys are murders in the American school of Columbine.

Recall, 20 April 1999, two high school students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, coolly prepared and carried out an attack on students and school personnel. The killers used firearms and improvised explosives. Bottom line: 37 injured, 13 - deadly. The attackers were shot.

A commission of the FBI and psychiatrists concluded: Harris and Klibold did not want to punish the offenders (which, by the way, cannot be said about most Russian cases). According to experts, the "avengers" act impulsively, killing teachers and "offenders." The teenagers who staged a bloody hell in Columbine thought “globally” and even ridiculed the other “school gunners” who were unlucky. Harris also believed that he was better than the “other” people and used expressions sort of "This w ... antz should have been shot."

In a word, not a trembling creature, but I have the right. He reaffirmed his right by the fact that America is a “free country”.

Now it seems that Russia is becoming a “free country.” “Free” for losers, repetition workers and other people who are not successful, and who are criminal-minded. You can shoot in schools and colleges, you can cut and chop with an ax. And schoolchildren, and teachers. And make a “selfie”, and then tell about your “exploits” according to different “contacts”.

The bad is always taken over easily, but the good must be long and hard to learn. The choice for the younger generation.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 22 January 2018 09: 57
    +5
    You can shoot in schools and colleges, you can cut and chop with an ax. Both schoolchildren and teachers. And do “selfie”, and then tell about your “exploits” on different “VKontakte”.


    I would have taken preventative measures at the place of the authorities ...
    I would send stern police officers and irresistible eloquence to all educational institutions and at student meetings ... especially where the followers of KOLUMBAYN and BREYVIK hang out and explain to them the prospects of their further entry into prisons and morgues of RUSSIA. They wedge a wedge with a wedge.
    If, with the bestial grin of capitalism, it is impossible to instill in the souls of adolescents eternal and good things, then you need to show them the abyss into which they will fall in all its splendor.
    If nothing is done, then we are preparing for new attacks by adolescents on children and women in schools
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 January 2018 10: 06
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I would have taken preventative measures at the place of the authorities ...

      And the first thing is the ban on the dissemination of information of this kind in the media and its blocking on the Internet. Prohibit crime propaganda on TV and in the movies (defects already got - video below 0: 48). All information of this kind should bear the stamp: "For official use."

      The media, as one of the tools of ideological power, do not bring information to us - they form our worldview. The result of this education we see firsthand.

      Quote: The same Lech
      then you need to show them the abyss into which they fall in all its splendor.

      "If you look long into the abyss, the abyss begins to look into you."
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 22 January 2018 10: 39
        +4
        Boris55, you 2 2 does not converge. To ban information is like in the USSR? As I understand it, you don’t want to go there, they ruined him under the slogan of freedom in everything. Truly "kill your enemies and accept the law - murder is punishable by death." Although the ideology was normal in the Union and education was normal, it was possible not to jam information, but with those who did not follow ideology to be more strict. Now where is the education? Ask any teacher in what logical connections are the concepts of "training, education, education" - no idea. Their training now is an educational service. What are we talking about? And where is the role of society and the state in education? In the same place and at the same amateurish level. Anyway, what education can be based on if ideology (d ... s, b ... b) is prohibited!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 January 2018 11: 06
          +3
          Read carefully: "All information of this kind must bear the stamp: "For official use."
          Quote: V. Salama
          Truly "kill your enemies and accept the law - murder is punishable by death."

          "To defeat a strong enemy, raise his children." This is what all media are doing while their parents are at work. The vast majority of Hollywood films are admiration for killers.
          Quote: V. Salama
          Anyway, what education can be based on if ideology (d..y, b ... b) is prohibited!

          By whom and by what law? If you mean article 13 n. 2 of the Constitution, then all available ideologies are allowed there. Any party cannot coexist without its ideology. The people almost unanimously voted for the bourgeois party - United Russia. It is her ideology that is carried out by all media. If no one talks to us about this openly, this does not mean that it does not exist.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 22 January 2018 12: 45
            +3
            You are right .. A good example, there was a tragedy and the BBC and RBC vultures flew together ...
            Quote: Boris55
            Read carefully: "All information of this kind must bear the stamp: "For official use."
            Quote: V. Salama
            Truly "kill your enemies and accept the law - murder is punishable by death."

            "To defeat a strong enemy, raise his children." This is what all media are doing while their parents are at work. The vast majority of Hollywood films are admiration for killers.
            Quote: V. Salama
            Anyway, what education can be based on if ideology (d..y, b ... b) is prohibited!

            By whom and by what law? If you mean article 13 n. 2 of the Constitution, then all available ideologies are allowed there. Any party cannot coexist without its ideology. The people almost unanimously voted for the bourgeois party - United Russia. It is her ideology that is carried out by all media. If no one talks to us about this openly, this does not mean that it does not exist.
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 22 January 2018 14: 59
              +1
              page 2. Ideology, if primitive, is what clarifies to us what is Good and what is Evil; what is right and what is not; what is good and what is bad for society; what is our system of values, ideals and development goals ... Perhaps a scientific definition is simpler, but it is too long: "II. - this is a system of political, economic, legal, ethical .... etc. etc. . views of a particular social group (the ruling class) and much more, since this concept can be attributed to undefined (as that there is a "probability", for example).
              Here you should pay attention to "... ethical ..". Ethics is the science of morality. Following morals is inherent in a person genetically since primitive times, it has always used power. In antiquity there was nothing worse than violating moral principles, the violator was told "you broke the rules, you are not ours - leave ...", and this is 100% death. In those conditions, a man alone could not survive. There was fear, and this is a normal quality for a normal person, if in moderation. By the way, when philosophers argue about how Good differs from Evil, then everything always rests on the norm. And the norm depends on the "partisanship" of a person, as well as the concepts of "conscience, justice", etc.
              So, in the 90s, the genetic code of the people was scrapped. Those who were eager for power put forward the slogans: "The Army is outside politics" (but even the Church does not exist outside politics), "The people should be de-ideologized," "The state owes nothing to anyone." So they got a state for which there was no hope.
              Quote: 210ox
              ... The people almost unanimously voted for the bourgeois party - United Russia. It is her ideology that is carried out by all the media ....
              Well, I remember that the people voted for the preservation of the USSR (on average, about 70%) and for the ideology of socialism (1996), but others came to power. In general, a normal person should vote not for the tsar, but for an ideology that satisfies him and, at the same time, for a person who matches her, is ready and capable of transformations according to this ideology.
          2. V. Salama
            V. Salama 22 January 2018 14: 26
            0
            Boris55, and everyone who is to my liking, I apologize for the delay in answering. Due to reasons, I can’t be constantly in touch, so online communication is not supposed. At any time I can drop out of the Internet for a couple of days.
            Quote: Boris55
            Read carefully: "All information of this kind should bear the stamp:" For official use. "

            I did not catch the logic, what is it about? I am not a supporter of hiding information of this kind, since this is the strongest educational tool in the skilled hands ("how good it is not happening with us," but if the democracy in which this is an example for us, then certainly any educational impact is worthless ), I remember arguing: "... it was possible not to jam information." The context involves the phrase broader than "do not prohibit". If you understand correctly, you are a supporter of the ban. The chipboard document is not available to most citizens, given the current circulation of these documents. And you understand this, storing:
            Quote: Boris55
            And the first thing is the ban on the dissemination of information of this kind in the media and its blocking on the Internet. Prohibit crime propaganda on TV and in the cinema .... All information of this kind should bear the stamp: "For official use." .

            The ban is not a very effective measure, of course, but most importantly, I do not grasp the context of your statement - what should I clarify? I read it carefully ... 3 times.
            Quote: Boris55
            .... This is what all media are doing while their parents are at work. The vast majority of Hollywood films are admiration for killers.

            It is generally incomprehensible to me (from the position of everyday consciousness), do we have a state or where? What prevents the authorities from not only saying but doing? .... there would be a will. But you know what is in the way, you yourself wrote below that.
            Quote: Boris55
            ... If you mean article 13, clause 2 of the Constitution, then all available ideologies are allowed there.
            If someone had not read the Constitution, he would have believed that it was written there, there is no need for faith and, especially by nature, the Russian people are trusting. So, this paragraph expressly states that a unified state ideology is prohibited: “No ideology can be established as state or mandatory”, thereby the state refuses the educational function and, by law, deprives itself of almost all the possibilities for its implementation. And all the blah blah there is nothing, the dog barks .... By the way, I didn’t even watch the video in your post, it makes me sick of the wretchedness of thought.
            The fact that "all available ideologies are allowed" is complete in itself, but firstly it’s clause 1 of article 13. and not clause 2, and secondly, you cite not exactly (but the legal principle - the law is interpreted literally) and it looks like this: "In the Russian Federation, ideological diversity is recognized."
            ... you cannot deideologize a people, ideas themselves take over the masses. The idea, having mastered the masses, becomes an independent productive force ... "
            It was said before our birth. Consequently, not only “Any party cannot coexist without its ideology,” but a non-partisan person does not exist without ideology, and if “no one speaks about it to us” (about its content), firstly, we are not guided by it ( for us it’s all the same that it doesn’t exist) and (nature does not tolerate emptiness) each creates his own (see what is Ideology), and society is reaping the benefits. I don’t know if the long post will pass ... see page 2
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 22 January 2018 14: 43
              0
              Quote: V. Salama
              I did not catch the logic, what is it about?

              That if someone doesn’t know something, it doesn’t exist. Illustrative example: something is depicted in the figure below. A child who has never heard of intercourse will see 9 dolphins. An adult will see copulation.

              Quote: V. Salama
              see what is ideology

              Ideology - This is the concept of governance, set out in a way that is understandable to the masses of the people so that it does not cause them to be rejected, much less actively targeted against it. The object of influence of ideological power is the whole society. Ideology is needed for conceptual power in order to form a worldview of people in society corresponding to the chosen concept so that people are under its power in changing life circumstances.
              The function of ideological power - to clothe a conceptually beneficial concept in such ideological forms in which it would appear in the opinion of people handsome and therefore acceptable, in which the concept would not cause rejection, and even more so - a targeted active opposition to the introduction of the concept into management practice up to the development and implementation into the life of an alternative concept to her.
              Freedom from ideologies - This is self-deception, but not spontaneous psychological, but purposefully cultivated by conceptual power. An ideology can be understood or not understood, accepted or denied, but members of society always encounter manifestations of one or another ideology, which is the shell of the concept of managing society from the side of conceptual power carriers.
              Ideological power - conceptually powerless, because it only adapts the concept to specific historical circumstances and is not capable of developing a concept.
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                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 22 January 2018 16: 19
                  0
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  I saw this pitcher for a long time, it didn’t work

                  Very much the same topic. This was not the case in the USSR, because it didn’t occur to any of the teenagers, and here the media heroize inadequate almost every day.
                  Quote: V. Salama
                  Different conceptual apparatus, as a result, leads to the fact that we begin to speak different languages,

                  In general, we both came to the need to bring our conceptual apparatus to one common denominator, at least in the question of ideology. If you agree with the definitions of ideology that I have laid out, then you should not have the illusion that there is no ideology in our society as such, in spite of any written or not written laws.
                  ps. Dialectics: the process of resolving uncertainties, focused on the knowledge of Truth-Truth, in which specific questions are posed and meaningful answers are found to them ..
                  1. V. Salama
                    V. Salama 22 January 2018 18: 13
                    0
                    I am writing from a smartphone on the bus. Yes, I agree with your definition of II. Moreover, I take my words back about the fact that it was written by commissioned scientists. I limited myself to reading only this definition and made the wrong conclusion. In a hurry. Realizing that this is impossible, I decided to return, read it, and I realized that it was rather someone else's attempt to reveal the essence of the bourgeois state.
                    Often science (as a means) is used for good and evil. An example is a joke:
                    - a rare bird will reach the middle of the Dnieper;
                    - the penguin is a rare bird ... the penguin will fly.
                    And dialectical materialism is not dialectics, it is a universal method of cognition of the world.
                  2. dSK
                    dSK 22 January 2018 20: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Very yes in the subject

                    "Want your children to be angels - don't be the devils yourself." (Osipov A.I.) There are a lot of cunning words, but in fact, drive porn, Mr. ideologist of communism. “A glass of water” is so easy and poetic, a “code of the builder of communism” is, it's hard to put it in the trash.
                    "It's bad to be easy. Good is hard." Oleg Chuvakin.
        2. dSK
          dSK 22 January 2018 11: 29
          +3
          Hello Vladimir!
          Quote: V. Salama
          what education can be based on
          Should I reinvent the wheel?
          John the holy gospel: 14:21
          "He who has my commandments and keeps them, he loves me; but he who loves me will be loved By my father; "

          "Do not kill" it is for their brothers in faith, and against the interventionists -
          15:13 "There is no longer that love, as if someone would lay down his soul for his friends. " hi
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 January 2018 14: 03
            +3
            Quote: dsk
            education
            Should I reinvent the wheel?

            right! need more temples! and to every class according to the priest! and certainly the "word of God" to enter the program and exams! yes
            1. dSK
              dSK 22 January 2018 14: 12
              0
              If there is no internal watchman - the "fear of God", then to each class a police officer! This is at school, and after school? hi
              1. dSK
                dSK 22 January 2018 14: 23
                +1
                Soros and Co. took the Russian Church and the traditionalists in pencil. The Rights at Risk report, issued by the Observatory, has 150 pages, and lists the most “dangerous” organizations that internationally threaten “human rights”. The threats, of course, are nightmares: protecting the family, resisting abortion and sexual enlightenment almost from infancy, criticizing perversions such as gender reassignment, protecting national sovereignty and the like. And - oh, horror! - these "threats", according to the authors of the report, find a very wide sympathetic response even at the UN.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 22 January 2018 14: 26
                  0
                  Under the “anti-legal interpretation,” for example, of religion, it is not Islamist terrorism, which has little in common with traditional Islam, and extremist sects, actively recruiting adherents for their pragmatic purposes. Not, it is the traditional Christian Churches that are accused of the anti-legal interpretation of religion: not only the Russian Orthodox Church, but also the Roman Catholic.
                  1. dSK
                    dSK 22 January 2018 14: 28
                    0
                    Among the "dangerous" organizations appeared among others and World Congress of Families - An international association of defenders of the natural family, the right to life, and traditional moral values. Today it is perhaps the most representative international association of this nature. hi
          2. V. Salama
            V. Salama 22 January 2018 16: 11
            +1
            Good evening, dear dSK.
            Quote: dsk
            Should I reinvent the wheel?
            Of course it’s not worth it, but in our case it’s not supposed to be invented either. Is it worth discussing the issues of faith in general, especially in this format? A man comes to this world for good, love and fidelity. Faced with reality, over the years it turns into who he was once and, at the same time, into what they did to him. In order to survive and not break in this world, to remain a man, he not only needs an inner core (no one canceled his self-education), but also faith. Here, everyone chooses for himself. To whom faith is religious, your right. I have my own faith, I believe in man and in the triumph of reason on Earth. Otherwise, humanity will not survive. I will not convince you of anything and you do not try to convince me, for more than a year I "gave a worthy rebuke" to the high-level followers of Jehovah's Witnesses, they had to give up, and my brains are still boiling.
  2. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 22 January 2018 10: 06
    +9
    "Even with a cursory glance, it is noticeable who begins the massacre in schools and colleges. First of all, these are unbalanced types that are distinguished by poor academic performance: two-year-olds and second-year students" "
    Reduce systemic problem to unbalanced losers?
    Again and again tread on the same rake "
    How to understand, why such terrible things began to happen in Russia, and where is the answer?
    "TWO RUSSIAN PEOPLE LIVE IN RUSSIA"
    http://typrishol.ru/istoriya-obshhestvo-politika/
    v-rossii-zhivyot-dva-russkix-naroda.html
    ““ The new Russians ”already recognize themselves as a separate privileged people, then those who live“ from below ”are only trying to understand the“ why. ”Why the great country does not value a damn. The split has not yet taken on an irreversible character, but we are already balancing at the point of no return."
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 22 January 2018 10: 09
    +2
    What do you want ... a juvenile-tolerant system in action ... UO (they are different, for the special ones there were special boarding schools for the simple ones, just schools, taking into account their characteristics) above all, without analyzing the degree of threat to others, so that he feels well, our curricula are adjusted in his favor ... so that he feels good ... against the background of normal ... they are brought closer to them, thereby making them UO-like ... What do you want after that ... UO not what he won’t have it, he already has a certificate, and it’s unlikely that he will be like that ... he’s not a little Enky, lowering him ... we have such laws ... something, but they know very well about the laws.
  4. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 22 January 2018 10: 15
    +8
    Our authorities are delighted to follow the trail of the west. The costs of capitalism. I will not be surprised at all if soon the massacre of schoolchildren on the basis of class will begin. Everything goes to this, and in this direction it will only get worse and worse. The education of a "literate consumer" does not imply the education of a real person responsible for the fate of the country. Although the pack in the Kremlin didn’t give a damn about it. They do not care about anything except their money.
  5. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 19
    +5
    The younger generation has exactly the same choice as those who go to the polls, that is, no! The authorities blindly copied the neoliberal structure of the United States and transferred tracing paper to the whole of Russia, and we slurp the consequences with complete sandals. Here and think whether it is necessary to vote for the current government.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 00
      +4
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      The younger generation has exactly the same choice as those who go to the polls, that is, no! The authorities blindly copied the neoliberal structure of the United States and transferred tracing paper to the whole of Russia, and we slurp the consequences with complete sandals. Here and think whether it is necessary to vote for the current government.

      Wow, even here they managed to push politics))) Well, suppose you are right, and according to your version Russia is not developing, but is slipping into the abyss ... who is this person, who, in your opinion, will lift Russia off its knees ???
      And a small remark ... where does the United States, like the United States, Russia lives on a Western lifestyle ... It's been sooo long. We are Western civilization ... If you are an Eastern person, then you need to think about permanent residence in the UAE ... and if you are a stubborn socialist, then Vietnam and Cuba are at your disposal.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 11: 04
        +2
        wink Can you think about permanent residence, say in the USA? You are right, there is no such person on the horizon, but this does not mean that one must choose the best of the worst and not change horses according to the old Yeltsin habit. You may come from Western civilization, but I consider Russian civilization and superethnos in the context of other civilizations.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 14
          +2
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          You may come from Western civilization, but I am considering Russian civilization

          How is the lifestyle of a western person different from Russian ?? Nothing. Everyone wants one. Grandmothers, car, rest, household appliances, etc. .. Maybe you are special ... but living in Moscow, I don’t see the opposite ... Yes, and you are sitting in front of the computer, and not with a plow and milk cows ... so don’t , okay?)) And about permanent residence in the USA ... so here is the same thing as there ... I have it for sure.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 15: 04
            +1
            You don’t speak for everyone, especially Russian wink So everything is true if the government transferred tracing paper from the USA and it turns out that there and there ass! Which in general was required to prove wink
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 22 January 2018 11: 10
      0
      It is a pity that the American cops were not delivered. They would quickly put things in order.
  6. MoJloT
    MoJloT 22 January 2018 11: 06
    +1
    They abolished the labor service of students, removed children's organizations from the system, received what they received.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 January 2018 11: 33
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      Quote: MoJloT
      They abolished the labor service of students, removed children's organizations from the system, received what they received.

      Absolutely right! Most of all, it amazes me that everywhere it is emphasized that the teenager had "a normal family, there is both father and mother." I'm sorry, but having a complete family does not mean that it is "normal". In the sense that parents should also bring up, and know what "child" is interested in, and go to school. Speaking of school .... there is such a docking system in the Russian Federation. Bazarny, who in his laboratory, together with doctors, psychologists and educators, developed an excellent system for preserving children's health and upbringing. One of the most important features in it is the upbringing of boys as defenders of the family, the Motherland, and just girls (well, there by age). Implemented this system, the results are excellent. The commission arrived from the Ministry of Obr. looked, evaluated the results, listened and .... the laboratory was closed. I’m sorry, I can call such officials only enemies of the people whom we need to drive with a broom! (since laws cannot be held accountable).
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 22 January 2018 12: 36
        +1
        The school is not educational, nor correctional, but an educational organization, the school is intended only for teaching, in its essence, in its structure. No one seriously, after 91 years, nor when did not put education in the school’s goals. No, I don’t have any idea what to educate, how to educate, how to do it ... If we give schools the opportunity to educate without clear explanations, then we will get education to the extent that it is understood in every single place, well, for example, like in Ulan-Ude.
        1. dSK
          dSK 22 January 2018 15: 05
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          Quote: MoJloT
          engage in education without clear explanations

          Great Russian language: "form"" Lord God created Adam in his own way image and the likeness that he lost by flying out of disobedience from school (paradise). And to restore this image he has been striving all his life. Education and "parish" schools were up to the BOP.
          Nutrition for the body as well education - for the soul. The food of the soul is high thoughts, if you do not feed it, even with a stale crust, it can become sick. For "mentally ill" specific hospitals. hi
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 22 January 2018 15: 19
            +1
            Soul, body ... Does your mind not take part in your life? Or does the mind feed both soul and body?
            God created Adam

            In our multinational country, many will not agree with this; church education is not suitable for a general educational organization in any way.
            1. dSK
              dSK 22 January 2018 15: 38
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              mind
              with thismentally ill"big deficit. If"eternal"there is no soul, then the body does not care what happens:"after us at least the flood " or "grass does not grow" - who likes what.
        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 22 January 2018 21: 34
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          Quote: MoJloT
          The school is not educational, nor correctional, but an educational organization, the school is intended only for teaching, in its essence, in its structure. No one seriously, after 91 years, nor when did not put education in the school’s goals. No, no idea what to educate ...

          Who brainwashed you like that? Find him and spit him in r ... y, for he is at least an agent of the State Department ... or an official from the Ministry of Education, which is almost the same.
          Learning is the joint work of a teacher and a student in mastering some part of social experience. The result is knowledge, skills. That is, new qualities obtained both under the guidance and with the help of a teacher as well.
          Education is the process of forming the qualities of the educated in accordance with the goals of the educator. And now we’ll quickly think about what concept Lev Tolstoy’s help includes:
          Training and education is a single process ... you can’t educate without transferring knowledge,
          all knowledge acts educationally. L.N. Tolstoy
          And the teacher is worthless, who, in addition to educational goals, is not able to additionally formulate educational goals and find means to achieve them. Let me remind you that goals arise from needs. Need is a feeling of lack of something. The lack of something is the basis of the subject-object contradiction without which no activity, including the pedagogical process, arises.
          Is that a revelation? Or maybe you yourself are spies, if you are so confidently carrying the blizzard?
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 23 January 2018 11: 12
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            For those who are in the tank, we don’t have a unified education strategy, we don’t have an understanding of what we want to educate, we don’t have methodological support, there are no specially trained people who would educate schoolchildren, and in the end there is no finance for this. The state orders very specific services from the school, the school on the basis of this order provides them to the community. This is how the system works. The education of schoolchildren is not included in the state task. KARL THE EDUCATION OF SCHOOLCHILDREN THE STATE DOES NOT ORDER. Are you still in the 19th century? Today, it will not be possible to raise children except parents!
            1. V. Salama
              V. Salama 23 January 2018 16: 24
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              Quote: MoJloT
              For those who are in the tank, we don’t have a unified education strategy, we don’t have an understanding of what we want to educate, we don’t have methodological support, there are no specially trained people who would educate schoolchildren, in the end there is no finance for this ..... KARL EDUCATION OF SCHOOLCHILDREN STATE DOES NOT ORDER. Are you still in the 19th century? Today, it will not be possible to raise children except parents!

              "No strategy" - this is understandable, ideology is not. But there is no “understanding", this is strange, someone was born in the tank, he lives there. Similarly with "methodological support" and "specially trained people." It is clear that if the government has not decided on the goals of upbringing, no one will give you a resource for it. And if the sky turns over and suddenly dawns on it, it also doesn’t stand out - it will be bold, unless the political officer is appointed for propaganda. Remind me, in Soviet times did you need a full-time tutor in school? What we have now, teachers have transferred, in the sense of how to understand this (you want to refute Tolstoy). Is our teacher already not a carrier of moral values ​​and scientific knowledge? Doesn’t he see or hear anything, or is he conducting classes on the radio translator? It seems that you’ve been transferred, write yourself “no one will bring up for free”, but it’s your duty and you are at school as a soldier in the service, the country is in danger, and there is nowhere to retreat - the people are behind. It’s even driven into the Pokemon’s subconscious mind, remember he said "if you want to earn money, go to business." This is of course meanness and arrogance, but we are not talking about that now. I don’t live in a tank and understand how difficult it is for a teacher, it takes time (an irreplaceable and non-stored resource), but it is not enough, and a lack of a resource and without additional tasks contributes to the degree to which the goals of the pedagogical process are not achieved, I'm not talking about substantive inconsistencies in the process. Even if the teacher is golden, you cannot make candy out of what it is impossible to make. But this was before the property of pedagogical work - "hellish labor and - complete disappointment at the end." Now it’s a hundred times more difficult for you, new factors - before they were trained separately, now everything is in one class. Yes, and the process of cognitive activity now, as it were, doesn’t exist, you have an “educational service” now, you fill it with “a jug to the brim”. I would understand you if they talked about it, but I still don’t understand. But much is not required of you, no one in the plans of classes sets the goal of “fostering love for the motherland and a sense of pride in belonging to ...”, this is cretinism, this is not required of you, not by resource, and not by salary. Your educational goals are in the field of these goals and the methods corresponding to them ... Forgot everything already or maybe they didn’t even know. Understand, at least in theory, with this, and there it will go slowly
              1. MoJloT
                MoJloT 23 January 2018 16: 46
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                Your educational goals are in the field of these goals and methods corresponding to them ...
                - The result of Ulan-Ude.
                Remind me, in Soviet times did you need a full-time tutor in school?
                There was not one, but hundreds of thousands, a whole system that permeates the entire vast country, from the village in Kamchatka to eastern Berlin.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 23 January 2018 17: 37
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                  Quote: MoJloT
                  - The result of Ulan-Ude.

                  Of course, "practice is the criterion of truth," but this statement is not unconditional. Provided that the practice (activity) was not deformed. Namely, in the activity itself, we have problems. I will not bore you with abstractions, and there is no pencil, but believe me, there are so many possibilities for its distortion that often a positive result is not supposed. Then the false conclusions follow: we tried, we did not succeed, therefore - this is impossible. We are talking about methods of achieving goals, remember the ancient wisdom: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"; "searched for treasure and - drowned the tractor", "throw out the child with water", etc. I do not have detailed information on Ulan-Ude and there is no hint of specificity in your posts. There will be time to look for what they screwed up.
                  Quote: MoJloT
                  There was not one, but hundreds of thousands, a whole system that permeates the entire vast country, from the village in Kamchatka to eastern Berlin.

                  The system was not bad, but there is a separate topic to the system, but I did not find it when I was in the school of full-time deputy. I couldn’t know about educational work, psychologists, etc., just from my childhood, but definitely - nobody personally worked with me except the teacher, and I didn’t see anyone working with classmates. So that. not yet understood about "hundreds of thousands ..."

                  PS I have something stuck to Nick, I do not understand what it is. Can't you see?
              2. MoJloT
                MoJloT 23 January 2018 17: 08
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                It was not the school that was engaged in the upbringing, but the state, the school was only a drop in the ocean. And industry, and culture, and education, and health ... Each sector contributed to the education of the Soviet child.
                1. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 23 January 2018 20: 37
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                  I understood you. This is obvious or commonplace. I thought you were working at school. Yes, you’re right, everything participated, but it couldn’t be otherwise, and the most interesting thing is that it cannot be otherwise. But we were talking about the school, about the problems of school education, about the loss of professionalism of those who, by definition, should be super professionals in this.
                  And why it cannot be otherwise, because "life is the best educator" (habitat). It is worthless to any upbringing if the educated person does not see the values ​​in life that the educator instills in him. And if the state, society and labor collectives do nothing to form a citizen (we even now have the concept that there is citizenship (the main quality of a citizen) is not) or do something that contradicts the goals of education, then this is the harmful environment that brings up moral freaks. And there's nothing to be done about it.
                  But the subject of our debate essentially consisted in whether or not the school teacher is the unconditional subject of educational work? My belief is that yes, unconditionally and to the deathbed.
  7. Fight
    Fight 22 January 2018 11: 29
    +2
    It is necessary to limit television in showing this! This is first and foremost. Not only this, but all kinds of houses, as they affect the young female psyche ... There is plenty of work, there’s no one who wants to do it!
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 22 January 2018 12: 00
      +1
      The more you forbid, the more temptation to get such information. Considering the fact that there are entire groups on VKontakte dedicated to such shock content, the target audience does not even notice such PROHIBIT-NOT-MEET measures. And at the expense of work ... You are here ready to wish your relatives to work for a living wage or a little more, but with a dirty salary. Here is the answer.
    2. MoJloT
      MoJloT 22 January 2018 12: 26
      +5
      Young people consume content that is, provide an alternative and prohibit nothing spinning. And while there is no alternative, forbid do not forbid ...
  8. Strashila
    Strashila 22 January 2018 12: 11
    +3
    The moment is very serious, no matter what they say, but these are future countries ... imposing their values, the West deprives the country of the future ... what to fight for ... a generation will grow up with a predominance of MA ... and they will give everything for the idea of ​​chupa Chups ... the experience of Gorbachev and Yeltsin is indicative.
  9. slavaseven
    slavaseven 22 January 2018 12: 45
    +2
    Yes, just to make noise they did not push the reform of juvenile justice, which operates in some EU countries.
  10. marline
    marline 22 January 2018 12: 45
    +2
    Somewhere in 1963. in the USSR at the school to them. P. Morozova, a student who considered himself an insulted teacher (the teacher forbade sitting in a skullcap for a lesson), returned to school with his father’s double-barrel shotgun and shot the teacher.
    Who knew about this? And the cries of "everything was gone" and "what kind of ... do we grow up, too, wasn’t."
    So let's get out of the nerves.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 22 January 2018 14: 32
      +2
      To compare the Soviet school and the modern one somehow it’s impossible without nerves)
      1. marline
        marline 22 January 2018 14: 57
        0
        Quote: MoJloT
        To compare the Soviet school and the modern one somehow it’s impossible without nerves)

        So it, of course, yes ... The grass was again greener ...
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 22 January 2018 15: 15
          +1
          Well, to whom ...
  11. Fight
    Fight 22 January 2018 12: 57
    +1
    Quote: Sam_gosling
    The more you forbid, the more temptation to get such information. Considering the fact that there are entire groups on VKontakte dedicated to such shock content, the target audience does not even notice such PROHIBIT-NOT-MEET measures. And at the expense of work ... You are here ready to wish your relatives to work for a living wage or a little more, but with a dirty salary. Here is the answer.

    Did I write a ban ?! It says restrict! ..
    1. Sam_gosling
      Sam_gosling 22 January 2018 17: 59
      +1
      Well, there are already limitations. There is even a whole federal law number 436 "on protecting children from information harmful to their health and development." There are pre-trial blocking of resources, prohibitions on publishing information about minors who have become victims of crime, stupid badges 0+, 6+ and others like them in all categories of inform. Products, several registries of extremist products and many, many similar things. I think people who contain VO are very familiar with these limitations. So what? Do you think there is an effect? From the fact that it was forbidden to talk about suicides in the media, they did not become less. Or maybe the propaganda of right-wing ideas and the arresting subcultures are extinct? Yes, everything is also in VK there are hundreds of such groups with tens of thousands of live subscribers. It’s just easier for someone to deal with problems as they arise than to solve issues even before they appear on the agenda in prime time news ...