NI: Russian air defense has something that US air defense doesn’t have

American Journal National Interest published an article that presents reflections on the presence of Russia weapons, which has no analogues in the USA. The conversation turned to the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile and gun system. The NI said that the Russian "Shell" today are the most suitable weapons for destruction drones, aimed at attacking certain objects.

From the material:

The US Army does not have air defense systems that at least partially had the capabilities of the Pantsir-S.

American readers were told that the Pantsir-S is effective not only against a number of modifications of unmanned aerial vehicles, but also against other aerial targets, including low-flying aircraft and helicopters, as well as missiles. It is also described in the material that the “Pantsir-S” is a highly mobile installation on a high-wheel drive chassis.

The following are the authors' thoughts as to why the United States has not yet developed an analogue of such weapons. It is noted that the American ground forces still rely on any aviation their attacks will be protected by military aviation.

Comments

[Inquisitive]

In air defense, Russia is really strong. Moreover, the initial calculation was to build a layered air defense. Americans are accustomed to attacking (developing aviation and the navy), and no one jerking them, and therefore their air defense is not of paramount importance

[rocket757]

Air defense - missile defense systems of protection and advantages in global confrontation with the use of nuclear weapons, very conditional.
Those. no one will survive the global attack.
Nuclear-free war, yes, here the defense system will play a significant role !!!

[Alex-a832]

To proceed from the premise of the impossibility of confronting Russia's air defense and missile defense against a global nuclear strike is a dead end road. There is always a chance that in future developments a technology will appear to neutralize missiles with nuclear warheads, including ICBMs. That is, if damage is not completely avoided, then take it out of the fatal series. In my opinion, nominal Russia has more chances to achieve this. As the Inquisitive correctly noted, we have been doing and are focusing on the means of protection, including on a guaranteed strike of retaliation, and the United States on the attack, and this concept will not change, as it is due to geography.

[rocket757]

The concept of an attack by the Yankees has settled in the BRAINS and can’t change anything yet !!!
Dream that we will all win ??? There are no real prerequisites for this, so I will not change my opinion !!! but to limit others with nothing, to dissuade them not in my rules, so everyone will dream about his own !!!

[Alex-a832]

You misunderstood my point in the comments. “We will defeat all” is a naive view from which I am far. I just said that the balance did not come to one side, so we have every chance if we do not break the Western concept of attack, then keep parity in nuclear weapons with a margin of safety. Air defense and missile defense must be developed - this is a priority for the defense industry. In the west, air defense and missile defense are not better than ours, which allows us to maintain parity in nuclear weapons.

[rocket757]

In terms of the size of the country, our air defense does not look all protective, the size of the country is large however, but the quality of equipment and systems, the tasks they perform is already a real defense. Amount to increase, "empty places" and routes to cover up and norms.
Nobody is concerned about this, and it’s very expensive !!! Only Israel, but there are distances from Gulkin’s nose.
So there is some parity with the most important hell, but does an ABM limitation agreement exist ??? as if!!!
Violate it, no matter how, only our opponents are not very big lovers to respect sales of their contracts, it is known.
So our nuclear weapons are the only thing they are forced to pay attention to, i.e. really afraid !!!
No wonder they started a fuss for general nuclear disarmament !!! sly uncle Sam.

[Svist]

It is noted that the US ground forces still reckon that military aircraft will protect them from any air attacks.

And what can they do? Only hope.

[Uncle lee]

We have a sapper blade and a tool and weapons and protection!

[Evil543]

Quote: Uncle Lee

We have a sapper blade and a tool and weapons and protection!

Ay also a frying pan sometimes

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

Better listen to the protection of the Americans, in case of threat it will save you to climb quickly under the table and do not forget to grab a frying pan. There many people know this, only many turkeys do not know with us, only the USA protects them with their jokes.

[Evil543]

Quote: Alexander Abdrakhmanov

Better listen to the protection of the Americans, in case of threat it will save you to climb quickly under the table and do not forget to grab a frying pan. There many people know this, only many turkeys do not know with us, only the USA protects them with their jokes.

Or you can translate it into a more understandable Russian, otherwise the translator seems to be Google.

[igorka357]

They don’t have to hope, they are sure .. and this is close to the truth, since their aviation is very strong, the best on the planet.

[Finches]

Because they have a different concept of the introduction of hostilities, therefore, there they did not receive due attention to short-range air defense systems for the tactical command link! Affects life on the island ...

[Herculesic]

Actually, the Americans have different principles of warfare. They are sure that they will smash and destroy any enemy “on far approaches!” For this they have purely missile systems, and they simply don’t need the likes of our “Shell”! Something Swedes will buy their anti-aircraft guns, cheaper than doing such weapons from scratch.

[sivuch]

Actually, they did. Rather, they tried to do it, but unsuccessfully. We watch the air defense missile system Mowler, Roland (as the Americans tried to remake for themselves), ZAC Sergeant York

[Mikhail m]

Interestingly, the Carapace has shells with a programmable detonation to create a cloud of fragments, irresistible for drones? For small purposes, such a thing should be very effective.

[PN]

And guns are not cheaper to shoot down a drone?

[Mikhail m]

And missiles can naughty shells?

[rocket757]

Guns are cheaper, but even the required accuracy and density of fire is the most, the gun itself only holds for a while - overheating, soot, barrel wear have not been canceled, and during an intense battle the dispersion cone of the weapon increases by a factor !!! Need a second line of defense - missiles !!!
The shell is a balanced air defense system!

[Orionvit]

Quote: rocket757

Guns cheaper

The cheapest way to fight drones is with electronic warfare. In particular, a directional electromagnetic pulse of high power, which would damage the electronics. On the other hand, if you are closely confronted with a similar threat, they will develop something quite simple and effective (or have already developed it for a long time), I have no doubt. It’s like a simple card case, cheap and cheerful.

[Genry]

Quote: Orionvit

something simple and effective will be developed (or developed a long time ago), I have no doubt. It’s like a simple card case, cheap and cheerful.

You wanted to say about the fired shell in the form of a card case, with a programmable timer undermining. Those. the projectile flies up and shoots forward with small components. Yes, this is very necessary for air defense against small drones and mines, and for ground use.

[Orionvit]

Quote: Genry

You wanted to say about the fired shell in the form of a card case, with a timer detonation.

Such things, where the shrapnel expands in all directions, or even in one direction, are good in war, when undermining is carried out over the territory of the enemy (in the First World War, our three-inch was called "oblique death"). Now, during the war on terrorism, when you do not know exactly where the enemy is and where is “friend”, everything is mixed up and there is no front line, this option is not entirely good. Take the example of duck hunters who successfully sell fairly small game with shots. For example, “a man with a gun”, is sitting in an ambush, and on command of “drones”, he gazes into the sky and, on occasion, can cause significant damage. Note at minimum cost. It is clear that not everything is so simple, but this is one of the options. If there is a special "gun", why not.

[Genry]

The problem of fractions or buckshot in a short range. If the drone is at an altitude of more than 300 meters, you will not remove it with any shotgun.
Your shotgun needs to fly 10 meters and shoot. Then you can hit the targets at the height of access to the artillery barrel.

[rocket757]

Shotgun and against sparrows effectively !!!
EW certainly takes its place in the ranks of air defense !!! only she has limitations.
A complex approach!!! justified and necessary !!!!
To do, invent new things and saturate the defense system with everything necessary !!!

[krokus792]

Something like SPEL ...

[rotmistr60]

military aviation will protect them from any air attacks

So let them continue to think so. In addition, they are accustomed to fighting with those who have either weak and small aircraft, or they do not exist at all.

[Tusv]

And what for them. Vaughn Humvee crossed with Stinger, called the Avenger and okay

[bald]

I still would not be alarmed to see work on missiles and the Panzir-S drone, based on the VKS in Syria, personally. (... I want the same Wan. (VV))

[Mountain shooter]

The concept of Matrasia is to gain supremacy in the air. They practically did not collide with the enemy with adequate aviation. A drone threat is not considered at all. Well, so "Alaverdi" is it possible? For our base? Since the strip-eared had nothing to do with drones (assembly kits, etc.) for the Barmalei, they didn’t interfere in the same way as “not supplying,” for example, the Taliban in Afghanistan ...

[sabotage]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Nobody bothers to “not supply”, for example, the Taliban in Afghanistan in the same way ...

The Kurds have already been "supplied." They are now the Turks fun on the tracks wound.

[igorka357]

They will never face such an adversary, because he simply is not on the planet!

[Prisoner]

Well, not only that. There are many other things that Americans don’t have. I was carried away by the “supernation” of attacks, but left the defense to the Hollywood supermen. They forgot about Eun, you are our "democratic" ones.

[Firework]

quite a suitable instance, but worried about the accuracy of 30-mm guns, how many shells do you need to hit a drone?
and the shell is not able to shoot down mines

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Salute

and the shell is not able to shoot down mines

Nobody knows how to shoot mines.

[Firework]

in the United States developed a memory for the destruction of mines in flight

[MadCat]

The iron dome of Israel brings down mines and short-range missiles (up to 5 km) ...

[CT-55_11-9009]

And what else does the Iron Dome bring down? UFO?

[igorka357]

You just have to blurt out? The iron dome is excellent anti-aircraft defense .. verified precisely by real hostilities .. and more than once .. if our shells are effective in Syria, then this is also an excellent anti-aircraft defense complex .. everything else as well as your statements .. obedience!

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: igorka357

You just have to blurt out? The iron dome is excellent anti-aircraft defense .. verified precisely by real hostilities .. and more than once .. if our shells are effective in Syria, then this is also an excellent anti-aircraft defense complex .. everything else as well as your statements .. obedience!

Hm. Yeah, great, proven. And too much PR. And who missed the rockets there a month ago? Isn't the Iron Dome?
Speaking of tested LCD. What was he tested on? On antediluvian SCADs and other "flying targets" of the MiG-23 type? Class, the tests were a success. Without worthy rivals. Clearly.

[voyaka uh]

Up to 5 km is problematic. J.K. starts to work well with about 7 km.
And up to 70-100 km. These distances are from the place of the launch of the rocket to the place of its fall.

[rocket757]

Mines undermine, but almost by accident!
There is no effective system against mines.
The carapace is a balanced system, there is much to move towards greater efficiency !!!

[Firework]

you know what happened on the new year in Syria after the mortar shelling of our base, the destruction of mines in flight is an urgent need for our military units in Syria

[Orionvit]

Quote: Salute

the destruction of mines in flight is an urgent need for our VS in Syria

In this case, an urgent need is to “clean” the perimeter of the base and strengthen security at distant approaches. This is much more efficient.

[rocket757]

A complex approach!!!
And it is necessary to provide a rest zone and air defense facilities to improve !!!

[Victor_B]

Well, the "Shell" has proved its effectiveness.
But ours do not stop there. Work on improving the complex continues. In Syria, not even the latest modifications.
In general - keep it up!
Air Defense is a paramilitary organization. We don’t fly and we won’t let others!

[ghby]

The main difference between the Pantsir-C1 complex and foreign models is the ability to conduct targeted rocket fire at high speed launcher movement. Due to this possibility, when escorting a column of armored vehicles there is no need to stop the movement, to repel an enemy air attack, everything is done in dynamics.

https://topwar.ru/5306-pancir-s1-raketno-zenitnyy
-kompleks-konstruktor.html

[MadCat]

Russian air defense has something that the US air defense does not have

Yeah, the U.S. Air Defense certainly doesn’t have a shell ... but this is not accurate

[voyaka uh]

Israel also needs a system like the Shell.
To work together with small missiles and a cannon.
And add a tactical laser against mortar mines and small UAVs

[activator]

Quote: voyaka uh

And add a tactical laser against mortar mines and small UAVs

Now there are such lasers capable of melting a mine in flight?

[voyaka uh]

There is. Such tests have already been conducted. Moreover, "live", shot down mines
from Gaza. They were going to build such a laser in the FCS Zh.K. But into the arsenal of the army
not accepted. I think the military is waiting for more powerful compact lasers from Raytheon.
Which is in tests. Israel makes only radars, SLAs.

[activator]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is. Such tests have already been conducted. Moreover, "live", shot down mines

I looked around for nothing, I didn’t find anything about mines, do you have an insider info? And copters sort of beat.

[voyaka uh]

We have a headache - namely mortar mines.
Near the border with Gaza there is our town Sderot.
They shot from the suburbs of Gaza, from residential areas on the outskirts of Sderot. About 5 km
LCD did not have time to react. The missile was late.
Therefore, densely engaged in the laser.

[sivuch]

So there are mothers at every turn, including on the streets. To run to the shelter - only 10 seconds, if I do not confuse (but no more than 15, that's for sure)

[Hierarch]

Quote: voyaka uh

Israel also needs a system like the Shell.
To work together with small missiles and a cannon.
And add a tactical laser against mortar mines and small UAVs

A change? Are these technologies for what we need so as not to catch up?

[Hierarch]

Quote: activator

Quote: voyaka uh

And add a tactical laser against mortar mines and small UAVs

Now there are such lasers capable of melting a mine in flight?

"Hardly ever. What was advertised was a "laboratory experiment" ...

[Hierarch]

Quote: voyaka uh

There is. Such tests have already been conducted. Moreover, "live", shot down mines

Where can I read / see, a former compatriot?

[tosha.chuhontzev]

That's right. Political strategy dictates the development of the concept of the armed forces. Russia is a defensive side, which in words has created a powerful defensive missile defense. Weapons are checked in battle. So far, I have not seen anything significant, at least in the same Syria. Yes, the planes did not seem to crash and fly. Missiles took off and probably did not fly off to the side. But the question is about efficiency. It is terrible to imagine that over 2,5 thousand air strikes were carried out with modern weapons. I sometimes ask myself, what can be bombed in little Syria for such a long time? Okay, I say, almost the entire Soviet bomb supply has been disposed of, where the bombs fell like ordinary ingots. It was a sinful affair that I expected a local clash of American and Russian know-how in Syria. Besides drones, we never saw anything. True, the Sunshine did a little work in revenge for our downed plane. The Israelis, Americans, and even the hunchbacked French and Germans both flew and fly in the sky of Syria, although the defense ministry solemnly rattled about the closed sky. Bored, gentlemen are good!

[parathyron]

Amateur demagogue with popcorn

[egeny patykov]

air defense? what? at tacos. Yes, no longer. Look at the pictures from space! around the garads. Sverdlovsk Valgagrad Kazan Ufa. there are no longer air defense units. Yes and the Russian Federation there is no official calonia of China