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Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

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If the Armed Forces of Russia use all their military capabilities, neither American anti-tank complexes, nor any other will help Kiev. weapon, transmits RIA News statement of the former representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine (under Viktor Yanukovych), now political analyst Oleg Voloshin.




Speaking about the Javelin anti-tank missile systems that Washington plans to deliver to the Armed Forces, the former diplomat noted that “modern wars, first of all, are waged with the help of aviation". He called airplanes and cruise missiles the basis of Russia's air power.

According to him, American ATGMs in such a war would be useless.

They will not be saved from Russian strategic aviation, from cruise missiles, bombings, and so on. I’m sure everyone understands that we will lose the war to Russia with all the power of the Russian army maximum,
Voloshin said on the air "112 Ukraine".

He added that “the conflict in the Donbas has brought a tremendous number of victims, but it cannot be called a modern war using all means of destruction.”

Kiev authorities are constantly talking about "Russian aggression." Recently, the President of Ukraine Poroshenko declared the threat of a "full-scale war." At the same time, Moscow rejects such statements, emphasizing that Russia has nothing to do with the conflict in the Donbas and is interested in overcoming the Ukrainian crisis.
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  1. 264
    264 21 January 2018 15: 29
    +7
    But what will save? In this state of hers, vague doubts torment me that nothing will save me. Neither God, nor the King, nor the Hero.
    1. Sharky
      Sharky 21 January 2018 15: 32
      +4
      "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

      What will save? ... And only repentance before death will save them. And then God will decide there.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 21 January 2018 15: 36
        +2
        Who needs repentance ?! God? They pray to the Golden Calf .. And Freebies, a companion of students and dill ..
        Quote: Sharky
        American anti-tank systems in such a war would be useless.

        What will save? ... And only repentance before death will save them. And then God will decide there.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 21 January 2018 16: 08
          +7
          Great Goodwin will save them.
          Codes Petya, Yulu will be taken to a speech therapist, Groysman will be given a Russian surname, Sena - a carrot, Misha - a high-calorie tie, Vitalika will make a famous stand-up man. smile
          1. oldseaman1957
            oldseaman1957 21 January 2018 16: 43
            +3
            Seine - a carrot, ,,, Pete will encode ...
            - We survived! We spend a lot of time on jerks! Russia is stupidly tired of "its" tolerance. Withered hohloklouny rule the ball without feeling a drop of fear. But isn’t it time to prepare for them personal camps on Magadan, posting a photo with these camps and with the name of the future prisoners on the Internet?
          2. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 21 January 2018 17: 14
            +8
            Quote: Thrall
            Codes Petya, Yulu will be taken to a speech therapist, Groysman will be given a Russian surname, Sena - a carrot, Misha - a high-calorie tie, Vitalika will make a famous stand-up man.
            There are options....
            1. Speedy
              Speedy 21 January 2018 17: 38
              +4
              "Vitalika will make a famous stand-up."
          3. Lelek
            Lelek 21 January 2018 17: 28
            +1
            Quote: Thrall
            Thrall

            hi
            Laughter with laughter and the cacti prepare thoroughly for war. Intelligence established that the aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine prepared for work in the gray zone, and this is a new step in the escalation.
            1. Svist
              Svist 22 January 2018 05: 29
              0
              Quote: Lelek
              Laughter laughs and cacti prepare thoroughly for war

              Yes, they start to bake them from the other side
              One of the largest APU brigades left Donbass
              We are talking about the 128th separate mountain infantry brigade, also known as the Transcarpathian Legion
              https://www.kp.ru/online/news/2996612/
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 22 January 2018 09: 53
                0
                Quote: Svist
                Svist

                hi
                I read about it. But Pan Waltzmann had almost no choice but to start a war. With his dill fanaberia and Russophobic politics, he drove himself into a trap from which there was only one way out. His predecessor turned out to be smarter and did not flood the "tunnel" into Russia. So, the hetman will either start a war in the southeast and burn out in it, or lay down his powers ahead of schedule and try to siphon off into Spanish penates, or shoot himself, having previously used a kilogram of vodka.
            2. IL-18
              IL-18 22 January 2018 08: 32
              +1
              In the light of the law on reintegration, Ukraine can already apply anything. I hope that Russia will help our with air defense so that no temptations arise. Here the "leak" of relevant information will contribute to the "cause of peace" in the so-called zone. ATO.
    2. The black
      The black 21 January 2018 15: 32
      +7
      Quote: 264
      And what will save?

      Unconditional surrender, judgment, and forest felling wassat
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 21 January 2018 15: 35
        +8
        Quote: Black
        Unconditional surrender, judgment, and forest felling

        but somehow they gave a lot of time - a whole week, is that hinting that they will plump for 6 days?
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 21 January 2018 15: 58
          +1
          3 days - from grief, then 3 days - from joy. Or maybe vice versa
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 15: 40
        +6
        Let them save themselves as they want.
        They have an adviser, a bow tie is available!
        It’s better for the people to remove the pots and think, and then what to do?
    3. 210ox
      210ox 21 January 2018 15: 34
      +2
      What will save the "father of Ukrainian democracy"?! Well, probably the next tranche ... And without delay ..
      Quote: 264
      But what will save? In this state of hers, vague doubts torment me that nothing will save me. Neither God, nor the King, nor the Hero.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 12
        +3
        Father will be saved! But "his children" would have begun to think better, but someone will take care of them ???
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 21 January 2018 17: 32
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        What will save the "father of Ukrainian democracy"?! Well, probably the next tranche.


        hi , Dmitry.
        And what is the “next tranche” and where does the money come from? Correctly. Gives Russia.
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 16: 30
      +3
      Quote: 264
      Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

      Quote: 264
      But what will save? In this state of hers, vague doubts torment me that nothing will save me. Neither God, nor the King, nor the Hero.

      The Ukrainians themselves will save Ukraine by eliminating the Kiev organized crime group and expelling all of them to the Americans. Otherwise, the country will perish.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 17: 04
        +3
        Yes, we do not seem to call them to murder ... we kindly advise you to remove the pan, stop jumping and start thinking for life, first for your own. and then wider !!!
    5. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2018 16: 56
      +7
      Quote: 264
      Neither God, nor King, nor Hero.

      If God wants to punish, he deprives the mind, there is complete degradation, then apart from them no one will save them, but desire is not visible. yes
  2. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 21 January 2018 15: 31
    +2
    Only theft will save us from checking .330 to everyone! I agree. laughing
  3. Irek
    Irek 21 January 2018 15: 33
    +6
    In what troublemaker, he took and dishonored the strongest in the galaxy ...
  4. anjey
    anjey 21 January 2018 15: 36
    +1
    Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine
    Only Reason and the historical ideology of good-neighborly and fraternal relations with Russia can save Ukraine, with uprooting brown Bandera crap ....
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 January 2018 15: 44
      +4
      Andrei, you say the right thing .. But you are an idealist ... A generation of Russophobes has already been formed there. And this will all be increasing. This is "logs 2.0" .. Unfortunately ..
      Quote: anjey
      Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine
      Only Reason and the historical ideology of good-neighborly and fraternal relations with Russia can save Ukraine, with uprooting brown Bandera crap ....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 18
        +2
        The program of action jumpers laid and rammed specifically and how to pay it off ??? some only with a head ... many still have pots on enth a place where thoughts should move!
        1. anjey
          anjey 21 January 2018 19: 25
          0
          Yes, I understand that everything is not so simple in a world where there is a constant struggle, who wins, and the cunning Ukrainians put on a stronger one, as they consider, the United States and Europe, but no matter how they miscalculated, they won’t fit into Ukraine seriously they need a war no matter where, but by the wrong hands, by Ukrainian Poroshenko’s munitions, Kurdish detachments or the South Korean army, leaving themselves room for cunning maneuvers and of course a weak adversary, then they can collapse, so Russia just needs to be strong as in military, ideological and economic plans, and then the Russophobian buffer created by the west around Russia will be pulled towards it and showered, of course, this requires a serious state strategy .....
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 January 2018 15: 37
    +4
    even if they don’t think to check and do not advise to rock the boat ... the kirdyk will definitely! wink
    1. 210ox
      210ox 21 January 2018 15: 46
      +1
      Marina, good afternoon. More precisely, you are closer to the night .. Most likely it will all gather dust under the protection of the "owners"
      Quote: Masya Masya
      even if they don’t think to check and do not advise to rock the boat ... the kirdyk will definitely! wink
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 21 January 2018 15: 55
        +5
        Dmitry, howdy there! love
        Quote: 210ox
        Most likely it will all gather dust under the protection of the "owners"

        so if unattended, they will sell, drink, break ... give d .... glass ... he will break it laughing
        love
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 21 January 2018 19: 56
      +2
      Quote: Masya Masya
      even if they don’t think to check and do not advise to rock the boat ... the kirdyk will definitely! wink

      What a belligerent you are today ... just awful ...
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 January 2018 15: 43
    +4
    "All the power of the Russian army" - it’s how they blew the roof fool ! They have not even fought against even the company of our special forces, but are ready to fight against the entire Russian Army! fool Excessive self-confidence and self-confidence can lead to very tragic results! I understand that they did not even bother to draw conclusions from the two boilers in which their warriors visited, really can not be done! A lot for them of our entire army is enough for a couple of divisions of contract soldiers. Well, we can also harness the Chechen special forces so that Kadyrov personally controls how the “heborgs” will wash the streets in Kiev!
    1. private person
      private person 21 January 2018 15: 59
      +2
      To fight on its territory with a militia is one thing and with the enemy army another. Here the whole Khokhlyad people will rise and it will not seem to us or to them a little, the war will be long and bloody.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 21 January 2018 16: 24
        +2
        They are warriors only against civilians! And the whole country will not rise, there are 90 percent of the housekeepers, they do not care who is in power! After the Maidan, something is not very strong, as if this country had risen against Natsik and Bendery! 30-50 thousand scumbags and those who clung to them do what they want, but this country of yours has wiped itself off, and silently swallows any tricks of the pseudo-authorities of ukroina, and it’s like an army in which they don’t really want to serve!
        1. private person
          private person 21 January 2018 18: 43
          +1
          Do not forget they, like us Slavs, and we also do not all agree to fight. Moreover, it is not known for the sake of what we should fight easier to close the border. And at the expense of fighting against civilians, they also think that they are fighting with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 21 January 2018 18: 52
            +1
            There’s how it is! They just closed the border and that’s all! And in the FSB, that which is caught in batches of their spies and is not in the know! belay And when we are firmly confronted with the choice when ukroin bombs, shells and missiles will begin to fall en masse on my Don land, so be it, I’ll ask your advice - “sho to spit” ??? sad No, I don’t want my Rostov land, like any other land in our Russia, even to be accidentally fired upon! Therefore, if ukroin shells fall on our land, I will not be there alone, and not empty-handed! !!
            1. private person
              private person 21 January 2018 19: 46
              0
              But are they going to attack Russia? They’re glad it’s mongrels. Well, they adopted the law. Well, they sent them these “Javalins,” so they attack right away? Our Duma also makes laws and that they are all in action. Ukraine is an external irritant for Russia in the hands of the Americans.
              1. Herculesic
                Herculesic 21 January 2018 20: 06
                +1
                Tell me the date when our Duma, or the Supreme Council, ranked ukroin as “aggressors against Russia?” When we decided to clean ukrointsy, well, for example, Kharkov and Sumy regions, as ukrointsy Donetsk and Lugansk called “terrorist obrozovaniyami”, and the civilian population " militants "! I look forward to hearing from you the dates of the adoption of such decrees by our authorities!
                1. Antares
                  Antares 21 January 2018 20: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Herkulesich
                  our Duma or Supreme Council

                  Well, on March 1, 2014, the Federation Council allowed the use of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine (at the request of P. RF), as they say, in violation of the regulations. (However, the Federation Council rejects the violations, arguing that there was an extraordinary)
                  In the meantime, there is no case that the Verkhovna Rada allowed the use of the Armed Forces outside Ukraine. Even the same Crimea, Kiev exclusively "diplomatically"
                  1. Herculesic
                    Herculesic 21 January 2018 21: 07
                    +1
                    Antares - you forgot that this permission was essentially revoked, and we used our troops in small numbers only in Syria! soldier
                2. private person
                  private person 21 January 2018 21: 14
                  0
                  What are you all waiting for when the Ukrainians attack, well, they called us aggressors and LDNR terrorists well expressed our concern and that. LDNR was like it but the Hohland and shirt had to be torn in the 90s. When the Union was divided and now the train left and the LDN car never when will not be in Russia.
                  1. Svist
                    Svist 22 January 2018 05: 47
                    0
                    Quote: private person
                    the train left and the LDNR car will never be in Russia

                    Never say never... stop
        2. raw174
          raw174 22 January 2018 06: 55
          +1
          Quote: Herkulesich
          They are warriors only against civilians!

          However, you underestimate them ...
          Quote: Herkulesich
          And the whole country will not rise, there are 90 percent of the housekeepers, they do not care who is in power! After the Maidan, something is not very strong, as if this country had risen against Natsik and Bendery! 30 -50 thousand scumbags and those who clung to them do what they want, and this country of yours, as it were, has wiped itself off, and silently swallows any tricks of the pseudo-authorities of ukroin

          But an open war with the Russian Federation (which will not happen) will consolidate the whole society and confirm the judgments of the current junta, thereby strengthening the authority of the authorities in the eyes of the people, who will flow to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because you have to really defend the fatherland.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2018 15: 48
    0
    Nothing at all, these Javelins. Like a fetish for a maniac ...
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 January 2018 15: 52
    +1
    "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

    But they will save the elite of Bandera and the Jewish! (airdromes will be covered up, etc.))) When they run away with looted sacks Everything goes to this! Yaytsenyuh, he sniffed for a long time that he will hehe
  9. Overlock
    Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 02
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    There a generation of Russophobes has already been formed. And all this will be increasing.

    absolutely right. And then there will be more. The drawer effect is huge. I underestimated this influence. When I personally collided - stunned. A lot of money has been invested in this. However, as with us
  10. Alexander Svistoplyasov
    Alexander Svistoplyasov 21 January 2018 16: 12
    +1
    Estonia is investigating the reasons why the training missions from the Javelin anti-tank missile systems (ATGMs) purchased in the United States failed. This was reported in the press service of the Estonian Defense Forces.

    They said that the Estonian military was first able to use the Javelin system. Most of the missiles hit the target. However, far from all. “We will analyze the results of the exercises and, if necessary, make adjustments,” said Roland Murof, spokesman for the press service.

    It became known that one of the three missiles fired during training firing did not hit the target. During the investigation, the Defense Forces intend to contact the rocket manufacturer, reports TASS.

    The firing from the Javelin anti-tank missile was carried out the day before by conscripts of the anti-tank company of the 1st Infantry Brigade, as well as cadets of the military school, at the Sirgala training ground. Of the three shots, two hit the target. The Estonian army does not plan to conduct other exercises with the Javelin ATGM this year, media reported.

    Estonia entered into a contract for the acquisition of Javelin ATGMs from the United States in 2014. Tallinn acquired 40 missile systems for 80 million euros with the possibility of purchasing forty more in the future. In January 2016, the Estonian Defense Forces carried out the first successful live firing of purchased missile systems.
  11. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 21 January 2018 16: 15
    +1
    Bullshit that they did not have tanks, guns and everything else. Crackers american panacea. Not really you can’t just live humanly.
  12. bald
    bald 21 January 2018 16: 22
    +2
    If it’s real, when Russia is drawn into the war in Ukraine, then of course it will last, not a week, two, three, but more. We forget about settlements, with a population that will be a hostage and a shield of brown rubbish (ordinary soldiers will surrender). We cannot beat them with direct fire. Nothing, Gol on inventions is cunning.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 21 January 2018 16: 47
      +3
      Quote: bald
      If it’s real, when Russia is drawn into the war in Ukraine, then of course it will last, not a week, two, three, but more. We forget about settlements, with a population that will be a hostage and a shield of brown rubbish (ordinary soldiers will surrender). We cannot beat them with direct fire. Nothing, Gol on inventions is cunning.

      Well, what kind of war?
      How many real goals are there in the country?
      5-10-20 Transformer stations near the nuclear power plant, gas can be shut off on our territory. How long the whole country will last in such conditions and they are well informed. No US support will fill the taps with water and heat at home, will not start the machines. It will just be a collapse .
      1. bald
        bald 21 January 2018 17: 50
        +1
        Well, if so. Only here we are dealing with fanatics who lead a crazy herd.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 21 January 2018 19: 10
          +1
          Quote: bald
          Only here we are dealing with fanatics who lead a crazy herd.

          How crazy the flock is, one can judge by problems with recruitment, desertion with advanced and under-intelligence in the troops. There are quite adequate ones, and even those who rode on the Maidan are ready to ride again, but not for Poroshenko. People are slowly seeing that they were thrown again
          1. bald
            bald 21 January 2018 20: 26
            +1
            Ripen, but no further than a garden tool - a rake. The normal leader is not visible.
        2. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN 21 January 2018 21: 48
          +1
          dealing with fanatics leading a crazy herd

          I won’t say anything about the mind and herd, but the leaders of all this are far from fanatics. They are only interested in their own enrichment.
          1. bald
            bald 21 January 2018 22: 06
            +1
            So it is, only there’s nothing to take, well, almost.
            1. CAT BAIYUN
              CAT BAIYUN 21 January 2018 23: 07
              +1
              Well, how can I say .. Forests are still enough. Earth - stick a stick - will sprout. There is something in the bowels. This is not an empty country, both in terms of resources and in terms of climate. With proper housekeeping, one can live quite well.
              1. bald
                bald 22 January 2018 00: 20
                +1
                They have been taking out the forest for a long time, they will try to sell the land, although they found a gold deposit in the bowels, not counting the coal, (they reported yesterday, but believe it with difficulty, most likely crap) - well, in terms of not bad life - they forgot this concept and their homeland. They wanted to become members by joining the "cultural values" of Europe.
                1. Svist
                  Svist 22 January 2018 05: 34
                  +2
                  It seems not loafers and could live
                  They would take the integration and cancel ... smile
  13. izya top
    izya top 21 January 2018 16: 36
    0
    Well ka, enough to turn peremogi into zrad! No.
  14. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 21 January 2018 16: 50
    0
    The sect of St. Javelin ...
    Visa-free and javelin, Ukraine does not need more.
    1. Antares
      Antares 21 January 2018 20: 36
      +1
      Quote: Sands Career General
      The sect of St. Javelin ...
      Visa-free and javelin, Ukraine does not need more.

      I see this in the Russian media more than in the domestic ones. Maybe the impression is false if you print more about the Javelins and visa-free travel? Very many Ukrainians do not see the excitement of the Russian and Ukrainian press in life, and few people know about the anti-tank systems and passions around them.
  15. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 21 January 2018 17: 01
    0
    Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

    Only pans will ride for Poroshenko and believe him that "the Ukrainian army is the strongest on the continent" wassat This is how you have to be stubborn to broadcast such a game? And after all, the most important thing is that the Skakuas believe this!
  16. Altona
    Altona 21 January 2018 17: 07
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Survived! We spend a lot of time on jerks! Russia is stupidly tired of "its" tolerance

    ----------------------------------------
    We pretend that Ukraine is an established state and that only Ukrainians who are not connected with our common history live in it. Russia has a simulacrum of a unifying idea in the form of the EAEU, but this is not enough to unite the post-Soviet space. The United States has always found a disconnecting scrap in the form of encouraging frenzied nationalism.
  17. taiga2018
    taiga2018 21 January 2018 17: 43
    +1
    the political scientist is a big optimist ... a week ... three days of intensive strikes according to the scheme of air defense airdromes-bridges-accumulations of troops and equipment-warehouses with weapons ... and the militia of the DPR and LPR will complete the job ...
  18. Normal ok
    Normal ok 21 January 2018 19: 15
    0
    “They will not save from Russian strategic aviation, from cruise missiles, bombing and so on. I am sure everyone understands that we will lose the maximum war within a week with the use of the full power of the Russian army

    "Javelins" and should not "save Ukraine." This is a purely political gesture. Not the possibility of a direct Russian attack on Ukraine stems from the concept of "unacceptable / unacceptable damage."
  19. evil partisan
    evil partisan 21 January 2018 21: 11
    +1
    This Voloshin, in fact, is a rare bastard, although not stupid. He has a fix idea: Russia did not repent for the crimes of the criminal communist regime. yes
  20. Guest
    Guest 21 January 2018 21: 35
    0
    [media = http: // Russia is a serious and powerful adversary and therefore it is necessary to negotiate peacefully on the contrary. In no way inflate a military conflict. Ukraine has never fought against Russia and exaggerates its abilities. Therefore, the best moment for both sides to make peace.
  21. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 21 January 2018 21: 44
    0
    And what? Is Ukraine eager to save Ukraine in its current state? In my opinion, the salvation of this country (real) is of little interest to anyone. And all recipes from Western "friends" turn out to be nothing more than another way to earn money.
  22. shuravi
    shuravi 21 January 2018 22: 23
    0
    These weapons are sent to Ukraine in order to test the effectiveness, at a sky-high price, but with the range and accuracy of the RPG.
  23. Yoshi
    Yoshi 21 January 2018 22: 28
    0
    Ukraine will be saved by its people and land. As always. When they reach the extreme, the people will rise. Land and wealth and the curse of Ukraine. As long as there is something to chew, potatoes are there or something else, then an ordinary peasant only bays and puffs. But when there is nothing to have a bite, it will begin to deal with PARAShenka, and egg-laying, etc. evil spirits ...
  24. Lexus
    Lexus 22 January 2018 01: 18
    0
    Political scientist: "Javelins" will not save Ukraine

    But they will save some ATO servicemen, who, having grabbed them, will run to surrender to the militia when the Northern Wind raids in response to the deliveries of these same Javelins.
  25. sgr291158
    sgr291158 22 January 2018 05: 55
    0
    Yes, in my opinion nothing will save them, but it would be better to keep silent about the war. Shred them in two days.
  26. Bare
    Bare 22 January 2018 10: 41
    +1
    Javelins will destroy Ukraine. drinks
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 22 January 2018 11: 06
      +1
      You might think she and without frogs all a bunch ???
      The problem is in the heads, and this is already for other specialists !!!