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Rebuilt T-34 will take place in the Estonian Museum

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The Soviet T-34 tank was driven along the roads of the Ida-Virumaa region of Estonia located on the border with the Russian Federation, and the vehicle’s hull was almost completely restored by enthusiasts, reports TASS.




Igor Sedunov, member of the board of the military history club Otsing, said that the tank was lifted from the bottom of the local lake back in 2000, but work on its restoration began only 4 a month ago.

He was wearing German crosses - he was captured. And there were also inscriptions. The tank belonged to the Estonian Rifle Corps, and in the battles of Narva he passed to the Germans. So unique история,
said Sedunov.



The restoration of the car took place in the shops of the Metall Ehitus company with the support of the Estonian Military Museum and private enterprises.

The goal was in no way to spoil and not to make at the same time a new tank. We needed to preserve it, so it was very important to constantly coordinate it in order to understand that we are doing everything correctly,
said one of the managers of the company, Maxim Peresokov



He noted that "so far the workers have managed to restore only the car body, which was surprisingly in good condition." The next task is to restore the chassis tankthat according to the plan should be completed before the end of the year. After that, the tank will take its place in the museum in the Estonian city of Sinimäe.

Still, the tank should be in the museum. This is the story of our Ida-Virumaa,
convinced Sedunov.
Photos used:
Rene Kundla / ERR
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 21 January 2018 13: 20
    14
    The guys are doing the right thing. Thanks to them. If only the local authorities didn’t make the German crosses inflict ..
    1. 264
      264 21 January 2018 13: 27
      +4
      Or dismantle how it has been practiced there for a long time ... hi
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 January 2018 13: 34
        +6
        Why dismantle, the tank will stand in the museum. As an example, the Sherman tank, raised from the Barents Sea in 2014, stands at the external exposition of the Military History Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg

        tank before restoration
        1. 264
          264 21 January 2018 13: 38
          +4
          Sure? What will stand in their museum? How is he-..? I'm also not sure.
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 21 January 2018 13: 45
            +5
            In the museum, the tank will stand. Here on the same resource they wrote about Estonian collectors. In 1993, the local authorities decided to demolish the memorial in the city of Miax, and saw the T-34-85 tank into scrap metal. Mikk Lykhmus stood up for technology and traded a rarity for a Moskvich-2140 car.
            Estonian citizen Mikk Lõhmus saved the only surviving T-34 tank that participated in the historic meeting of the Allies on the Elbe in April 1945 from cutting into metal, the Uralvagonzavod press service reported to RIA Novosti.
            So far, Lykhmus failed to find out anything about the fate of the crew. It is only known that before installing it on a pedestal on the tank turret, the number 021 was indicated. "When I found out that the tank had gone such a military path, I decided that it should be shown to the public. A new season of the Aviation Museum will open in late April. I believe that people should remember and keep history. Those who don’t have a memory of history no future",
            quoted by the collector press service.

            https://topwar.ru/113124-estonskiy-kollekcioner-s
            pas-ot-utilizacii-t-34-uchastvovavshiy-vo-vstrech
            e-na-elbe.html
            1. 264
              264 21 January 2018 13: 49
              +8
              So this is the initiative of the Citizen (with a capital letter), and not the policy of the state (with a tiny letter). The interests of the state always prevail over the interests of citizens.Any take the country. wink
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 21 January 2018 17: 46
                +1
                Tell me how the painted crosses and the inscriptions "trophy tank, the property of the Estonian Rifle Corps" were found on the tank that lay in the lake until 2000. There is also a layer of rust in a centimeter, if not more.
                I’m messing around.
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 21 January 2018 23: 05
                  +4
                  It’s not a problem at all - it went into the sludge, there is practically no oxygen there - the paint does not oxidize, the metal rusts slowly. True, after raising, it instantly “gets old”. Here is a "living" example of a subject -



                  Are there enough crosses and letters? ;)
        2. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 21 January 2018 13: 52
          +1
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Why dismantle, the tank will stand in the museum. As an example, the Sherman tank, raised from the Barents Sea in 2014, stands at the external exposition of the Military History Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps in St. Petersburg

          tank before restoration

          This is so with us, “there” completely different “values”, everything is turned upside down there ...
          1. your1970
            your1970 22 January 2018 09: 56
            0
            Quote: EwgenyZ
            This is so with us, “there” completely different “values”, everything is turned upside down there ..
            - so a tank of some kind fought “with the Soviet invaders” —this is their trend now. They won’t regret the money and crosses will be restored ...
            I'm generally surprised that they did not restore it for so long
        3. lelikas
          lelikas 21 January 2018 23: 15
          0
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich


          tank before restoration

          This is not a restoration, but an attempt not to spoil it more ... Would decrease!
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2018 13: 41
      +9
      Quote: 210ox
      If only the local leadership did not force the German crosses to inflict ..

      But this may not get up. Here is Dmitry watch such a moment
      He was wearing German crosses - he was a trophy. And there were also inscriptions. The tank belonged to the Estonian Rifle Corps, and in the battles of Narva it passed to the Germans.

      And such a moment
      Quote: 210ox
      that the tank was lifted from the bottom of a local lake in 2000, but work on its restoration began only 4 months ago

      Either there was no money, or some kind of coordination was not clear. And of course, many thanks to the guys for their necessary work. hi
    3. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 21 January 2018 13: 49
      +1
      That's right. Let him be in an ambush. It looks like he will have to shake the old days. American soldiers entered Estonian Narva at gunpoint T-34 .Yes, and in Africa, he is still fighting with might and main.
      1. igorka357
        igorka357 22 January 2018 09: 42
        0
        And what is it with the first squirrel with sponges then .. laughing ? That high negroid sucked on his campaign there in the cold .. tongue mm-mm tsum-tsum .. laughing
    4. Svist
      Svist 21 January 2018 15: 53
      +4
      Do you really think that Soviet symbolism will be applied to it? Oooh ... I beg you!
    5. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 06
      +1
      removed from the tongue, the first thought was about it
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2018 13: 22
    +3
    in the battles of Narva he went to the Germans
    It’s not entirely clear - did he (with the crew) “cross” or was captured by the Germans as a trophy? If the first, then it definitely will go to the museum, and if the second, then a big question.
  3. Gladius
    Gladius 21 January 2018 13: 26
    +2
    It is not clear whether they will restore the tank as a Soviet one, or as a trophy with crosses. Given that this is the case in Estonia.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 21 January 2018 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: Gladius
      It is not clear whether they will restore the tank as a Soviet one, or as a trophy with crosses. Given that this is the case in Estonia.

      Of course with crosses .. What is incomprehensible here ..! To annoy Russia! angry
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 January 2018 13: 28
    +2
    If only they would again not fascinate the fascist crosses on him! am Enough is enough! !!! fool
  5. BLOND
    BLOND 21 January 2018 13: 34
    +4
    Let restore!
    T-34 is a great tank! And the engine is excellent and all the hardware did not fail ...
    But you won’t believe how scarce goods are shells for it ...
    Donbass removed the summer of 2014 from the pedestals, everything that could move without even shooting!
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 21 January 2018 14: 14
      +4
      It was in Lugansk. Patrolled the city, T-34, number 237
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 21 January 2018 15: 20
        +7
        Quote: Sands Career General
        It was in Lugansk. Patrolled the city, T-34, number 237

        The T-34 tank, installed near the city culture center named after Lenin in memory of the liberators of Anthracite from the Nazi invaders, was restored by specialists of the Cossack National Guard. After 70 years, the combat unit was returned the opportunity to again defend the people from the Nazis. This is the same area where Ukrainians noticed Russian technology. The T-34 is really a Russian, or rather, a Soviet tank.

        Number 135 Ensuring order Anthracite rn LNR
        1. Sands Careers General
          Sands Careers General 21 January 2018 15: 25
          +4
          In Lutugino, it would still be possible to restore the T-34 at number 242 ...
          1. BLOND
            BLOND 21 January 2018 16: 01
            +4
            Our (Antratsitovsky) put back on a pedestal!
            1. Sands Careers General
              Sands Careers General 21 January 2018 16: 08
              +4
              Ours is also worth it, but always ready)) soldier
  6. sabakina
    sabakina 21 January 2018 13: 36
    +2
    Is this the T-34? It’s too small ... More like a T-50 ...
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 January 2018 13: 52
      +3
      No, it does not look like.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2018 14: 03
        +4
        Anyway, the dimensions are like an S class car ... We'll have to review newsreels.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 21 January 2018 14: 16
          +3
          Quote: sabakina
          Anyway, the dimensions are like a car

          And it is really very compact. In addition, in the photo there is only a case without gusli, sloths, leading, towers, mudguards - all that visually increases the size.
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 January 2018 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: sabakina
      Is this the T-34?

      Yes, there is no doubt ...
      Quote: sabakina
      It’s too small ...

      Well, what a freak.
      Quote: sabakina
      More like a T-50 ...

      To understand the incorrectness of your judgment, just look at the rinks of this tank.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2018 14: 45
        +3
        Sergey, cheer up the day! I asked from the point of view of an amateur photographer. I understand that the T-34, but what is wrong, I can not understand. Maybe the men are too tall?
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 January 2018 15: 08
          +2
          Quote: sabakina
          Sergey, cheer up the day!

          Have a nice one you too.... hi
          Quote: sabakina
          I understand that the T-34, but what is wrong, I can not understand. Maybe the men are too tall?

          A tank is simply without a tower .... With a tower, it looks different.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 21 January 2018 15: 50
            +2
            Sergey, then this is the angle. And thanks for the photo, because For a long time I was tormented by the question, how many towers did the 34 have? Everywhere infa, that two, under 76 mm gun, and under 85 mm gun. Judging by your photo, 3, plus under 85 mm. Only 4 types of towers.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 January 2018 16: 08
              +1
              Something puzzled. The T-34-76 has one tower with one hatch for two. The commander’s turret was added to the T-34-85. Or didn’t I understand the question?
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 12
                +2
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Something puzzled. The T-34-76 has one tower with one hatch for two. The commander’s turret was added to the T-34-85. Or didn’t I understand the question?

                Volodya, I’m sorry, on the first tank the right hatch is closed. So minus one version. It turns out, two under 76 mm and one under 85 mm.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 21 January 2018 16: 22
                  +2
                  Yeah, got it. So each factory did in its own way. The main thing is that the tower from one plant would fit to the hull of another. And on the T-34-76 after one heavy hatch they put two, but without the commander’s turret, then they added it. Something like this. Oh, there’s a lower answer Sergey already.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 21 January 2018 16: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    The main thing is that the tower from one plant would fit to the hull of another.

                    By the way, the factories that made the case blanks, we had significantly less than the towers.
            2. svp67
              svp67 21 January 2018 16: 08
              12
              Quote: sabakina
              And thanks for the photo, because For a long time I was tormented by the question, how many towers did the 34 have?

              There are a lot of them, everything depended on the plant, or rather on the available equipment. It was easier for someone to pour them, for someone to weld, and for someone even to stamp
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 22
                +4
                Sergey, thanks for the info. It just struck me as a shot from the film, in my opinion, “The Battle for Moscow”. There the tower was almost triangular. It is a pity, the screen did not survive after reinstalling Windows.
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 22 January 2018 05: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: sabakina
                  It just struck me as a shot from the film, in my opinion, “The Battle for Moscow”. There the tower was almost triangular.

                  The only thing I can advise is not to rummage about in articles and descriptions for a long time, this is Zheltov: "Unknown T-34." The title of the book "Unknown T-34" was
                  taken by the authors is not accidental. The fact is that at the core
                  almost all previously published
                  Denmark dedicated to the T-34, lay personal
                  the memories of the participants of those distant, truly
                  heroic years, or materials reports of factories
                  The People’s Commissariat of the tank industry
                  during the years of World War II.
                  But the memories of respected veterans of the Russian
                  military tank building, unfortunately, are not without
                  subjectivity, and factory reports do not contain material
                  rials dedicated to the pre-war phase of creation
                  tank T-34. Almost all plant documentation
                  No. 183 during the evacuation in the fall of 1941 was
                  destroyed.
                  The authors of the book in the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,
                  archive of the Russian Federation and the archive of the economy of the Russian Federation succeeded
                  find missing pages and individual chapters in
                  the history of creation and improvement of le-
                  the legendary and, as it turned out, "unknown" tank
                  World War II.
                  The authors will be very grateful to everyone
                  to those who comment and further
                  opinions on the materials of the book. "
                  In this book there are drawings of the tank shields, many changes to the hull and turret. And the second such work: S. Kirsanov. T-34-76 from top to bottom. Here at this link you will find both parts of the directory: https://armyman.info/books/id-4232.html S. Kirsanova
                  And this: Zheltov https://armyman.info/books/id-1409.html
              2. your1970
                your1970 22 January 2018 10: 03
                0
                and at which plant they could stamp? where were such powerful presses?
                1. svp67
                  svp67 22 January 2018 10: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: your1970
                  and at which plant they could stamp? where were such powerful presses?

                  At UZTM - the Ural Heavy Engineering Plant, known throughout the USSR and the world as UralMash.

                  “At the time appointed by the people's commissar - a month later - we stand on the platform near the press with an effort of 10 thousand tons ... The grandiose, beautiful spectacle of stamping made a huge impression on everyone present. Almost the entire process was mechanized ... In just thirty minutes, five towers were made. In the next three days, all the towers were carefully measured, two of them were cut to check for possible thinning of the armor in the corners and at the transitions from the roof of the tower to the sides, but everything turned out to be in order. The stamped towers were successful, the deficit in them was eliminated, all of them 2670 pieces were made. "
                  (From the memoirs of L.I. Gorlitsky.)

                  1. Dedall
                    Dedall 22 January 2018 20: 43
                    +1
                    I read in the old magazine "Technique-Youth" that these stamped towers were also stronger due to the "riveting".
            3. Overlock
              Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 10
              +1
              I once read that Stalin allowed each plant to make its own tower. Therefore there are so many differences
        2. igordok
          igordok 21 January 2018 15: 32
          0
          Maybe you’re used to seeing the T-34-85, but this one is more modest, with the 76mm gun. Therefore, it seems small.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 21 January 2018 15: 51
            +2
            I'm not used to anything. I remember 30 years of Victory! In Kursk noted. True soda and juice.
  7. poquello
    poquello 21 January 2018 13: 37
    +1
    This is the story of our Ida-Virumaa

    the story of betrayal or something, like a muddy transition set out
  8. Rusland
    Rusland 21 January 2018 13: 44
    +8
    The museum is a museum of discord, it may fall into the museum of the Soviet occupation, then the star on board is definitely provided.
  9. svp67
    svp67 21 January 2018 13: 47
    +2
    Judging by the rinks, the tank release until 1943 ...
    1. igor67
      igor67 21 January 2018 14: 39
      +6
      this t 34 tank seems to be the same in Estonia
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2018 15: 01
        +2
        Igor, it would be interesting to know why the Germans drove him into the pond?
        1. igor67
          igor67 21 January 2018 15: 07
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Igor, it would be interesting to know why the Germans drove him into the pond?

          I think during the retreat they couldn’t blow up for various reasons, that’s drowned, but this is my version.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 21 January 2018 15: 13
            +3
            Igor, with the presence of shells, as can be seen from the video? No Igor, the Germans were pedants, therefore, they stupidly drowned him, hoping to pull him out later. Judging by the video, they turned on the speed and sent it to the pond. But, as you know, the Second World War ended not in Moscow, but in Berlin.
      2. Svist
        Svist 21 January 2018 16: 25
        0
        Surely he! Not several times a year tanks are pulled out of their lakes.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 January 2018 13: 50
    +1
    He was wearing German crosses - he was a trophy. And there were also inscriptions. The tank belonged to the Estonian Rifle Corps, and in the battles of Narva it passed to the Germans. Such a unique story

    No matter how you try to vulgarize everything. but THIS IS A RUSSIAN TANK!
    Then we'll figure it out with you .. for EVERYTHING!
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 22 January 2018 09: 50
      0
      You again carry the starter, the Estonian rifle corps to which the tank belonged, was part of the Red Army and fought against the Nazis .. then I transferred like a trophy .. I don’t understand what you said!
  11. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 January 2018 13: 51
    +3
    The lake was Soviet and all that it gives is also Soviet. Russia receiver of the USSR. Drive T34, freeloaders!
  12. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 January 2018 14: 14
    +5
    Thirty-Four - Victory Tank!
    In battles we won’t forget your feat
    And before the enemy - faster than a comet,
    You will not fail and we will be alive!

    My T at number thirteen,
    Let not happy say
    But we won’t be offended
    We have not found a shell yet.

    And again the battle, we stand
    Meet the Fritz and fate
    Who will live, no one knows
    And who will remain in the earth ...

    Enemy tanks appeared
    And it all spun around
    Shells, bullets, trucks are flying,
    And the rumble of explosions cuts the ear.

    The Tiger crawled out of the slope,
    In a deadly battle, we converged
    Two Giants Pharaohs
    Seriously argued for life.

    German tank is more powerful and bigger
    And you won’t take it so easily
    Here you need more tricks,
    And then you will burn it.

    And we beat the enemy for the Fatherland,
    For peace and joy on earth,
    For Life and Light, the health of loved ones,
    For those who are no longer there ...

    My faithful friend, comrade, warrior,
    Steel, huge giant
    Fire and water passed with you
    We’ll take Berlin with you! love
  13. bogart047
    bogart047 21 January 2018 14: 18
    +4
    if there were crosses on the tank, then this is a fait accompli and during restoration it makes sense to restore them. What's so bad It already was, ignoring this fact the story will not change.
    1. 32363
      32363 21 January 2018 16: 02
      +3
      Quote: bogart047
      if there were crosses on the tank, then this is a fait accompli and during restoration it makes sense to restore them. What's so bad It already was, ignoring this fact the story will not change.

      this will be the correct restoration, it is necessary to restore it as it was in his last life.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 26
        +3
        Ours also fought on the captured T-3, T-4. And what? Boom or not boom?
        1. 32363
          32363 21 January 2018 16: 33
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          Ours also fought on the captured T-3, T-4. And what? Boom or not boom?

          sho you boom? Russian forgot, normally reflect your thoughts in letters.
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 22 January 2018 06: 52
          +5
          Glory, welcome hi Here is a monument in Slovakia
        3. igorka357
          igorka357 22 January 2018 09: 52
          0
          So there are trophy treshki with stars in museums ... what’s the problem .. this is the story! They raised the tank with crosses, so it was necessary to restore it the way it was found!
  14. Altona
    Altona 21 January 2018 14: 24
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    The guys are doing the right thing. Thanks to them. If only the local authorities didn’t make the German crosses inflict ..

    --------------------------------
    Most likely it will be so, they will install a German gun and a commander’s turret. Such T-34s served in the Wehrmacht.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 29
      +2
      They themselves understood what they said ?: What German instrument? 88 mm what? fool
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 January 2018 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: sabakina
        What is a German gun? 88-mm what

        It is the most. It was like that.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 22 January 2018 07: 09
          +1
          Volodya, welcome hi The Germans did not put their towers on the T-34, only at the end of the war they put anti-aircraft guns on the chassis. The captured tanks were used in their original form, only the commander’s turret was added even in rare cases.
          Here with the turret

          But with the anti-aircraft gun
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 22 January 2018 17: 51
            +1
            I’m healthy. And again svp67 got ahead. The guns stuck, not the turrets. drinks And we tried to shove the 100 mm gun.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 22 January 2018 21: 47
              +1
              They tried, but the tower was small under a hundred. First, the engine was turned across and the suspension with a candle was replaced with torsion bars - they got a T-44. Then they stuck a hundred and got a T-54.
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 22 January 2018 09: 54
          +2
          In 34ku 88mm do not stick .. with all desire ..
          1. svp67
            svp67 22 January 2018 10: 44
            +4
            Quote: igorka357
            In 34ku 88mm do not stick .. with all desire ..

            Tank T-34-88. Such machines were produced in the summer of 1944 at a factory in Libau. Presumably they were made 18 pieces. Instead of our 85 mm gun, 88 mm guns from damaged Tigers were installed on these machines. Since the end of 1944, this tank was used in Courland in the 12th tank division. The color of the tank did not change. For better identification, a large cross was painted on the tower.



            ZSU T-34-88 This version of the alteration, as far as is known, existed in a single copy. He was done by someone Ernest Albert, the chief mechanic of the 286th SS Infantry Regiment. As you can see, an 34 mm anti-aircraft gun was installed on the T-88 chassis, which was a formidable weapon both in the fight against armored vehicles and aircraft. This vehicle was part of the 286th SS Infantry Regiment, and was captured in April 1945 near Frankfurt an der Oder.




            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 22 January 2018 21: 53
              0
              Here the anti-aircraft guns of Aht-aht were adapted to the T-34 base. Just do not understand how her calculation served. There is no place. And about the first option - clearly modern infographics without documentary evidence. The Tiger gun will not enter the T-34-85 tower.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 21 January 2018 16: 03
    0
    Such a strange situation has developed around the tank.
    A Russian-made tank served the Germans, but its fate was interesting. How will it be put on a pedestal, like a protector pasted over with crosses, or as an invader with stars? For the modern Estonian authorities, I have no doubt that he will be exalted as a weapon of victory over communism.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 17
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Russian-made tank served the Germans


      It was the other way around. The company "Panther" 1944
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 31
      +2
      Pavo, I'm sorry, but I do not observe the logic.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 21 January 2018 16: 32
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        Pavo, I'm sorry, but I do not observe the logic.

        What logic do you need
        We are occupiers in Estonia, continue to continue?
  16. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 21 January 2018 16: 27
    +1
    I demand to return him to his homeland! According to the decommunization program !!! but what is it, on May 9, the march of the SS defuncts will go bow or spit on our 34th? NE OGE NE guys so will not go
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 22 January 2018 11: 28
      0
      true thought! from the Baltic States to return ALL WWII weapons to the homeland (sorry for this reduction)
  17. serge siberian
    serge siberian 21 January 2018 20: 27
    +1
    Not already, indeed, without crosses, with stars will stand in the land of lizuny nata.?
    God forbid that with the stars. hi Well done boys! hi good