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US private company put satellite 3 into orbit

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The American private space company Rocket Lab today carried out a successful launch of the Electron launch vehicle from the launch pad in New Zealand, reports RIA News.


US private company put satellite 3 into orbit


According to the press service of the company, 3 satellite for commercial customers were put into orbit.

Rocket Lab successfully reached orbit as a result of testing the second Electron launch vehicle (called) Still Testing,
says release.

It is reported that "the rocket was launched from the Mahiya Peninsula in the north-east of New Zealand at 14.43 local time on Sunday (5: 43 Moscow time)." After 8 minutes 31 a second after launch and separation of the first and second stages, the “Electron” “reached orbit and delivered commercial cargo”.

As explained in the company, one of the satellites is designed for the company Planet Lab, which takes pictures of Earth from space, the other two - for the company Spire, which is engaged in "collecting data from space to track the movement of ships and weather forecast."

In September, the 2016 Rocket Lab completed the construction of the world's first private spaceport in New Zealand. The company's management intends to use the launch pad for launching ultralight launch vehicles.

In May, 2017, the company carried out the first launch of the rocket "Electron", but then failed to put it into orbit. It was reported that the main purpose of the rocket is the delivery into orbit of small satellites and other small cargo. One of the features of the "Electron" is the engine, created by the technology of bulk printing.
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  1. Ierarh
    Ierarh 21 January 2018 12: 27
    +1
    And how much is the load in grams?
    1. RASKAT
      RASKAT 21 January 2018 12: 32
      +2
      Judging by the launch pad, a kilogram of 200-300. And according to the performance characteristics, it displays a maximum of kg 250 kg.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 22 January 2018 00: 37
        +4
        Quote: RASKAT
        Judging by the launch pad, a kilogram of 200-300. And according to the performance characteristics, it displays a maximum of kg 250 kg.


        Judging by the liquid cooling, so that for sure it can bring higher. That is not the point. The point is that a private American firm quietly took and launched a medium-range ballistic missile.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 00: 57
          0
          Quote: Geisenberg
          The point is that a private American firm

          what what you directly know all the data and communications of this company ??? recourse recourse recourse
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 22 January 2018 12: 50
            0
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            you directly know all the data and communications of this company ???

            What is private is officially stated. The rest is physics.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 20: 17
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              you directly know all the data and communications of this company ???

              What is private is officially stated. The rest is physics.

              recourse recourse officially, you can say a lot of things !!! recourse wassat wassat I already wrote that, officially, firms not related to the Amer regime, on the advice of this regime did not begin to buy our "debt securities" !!! request request request here you have democracy with all the attributes of private property and freedom of action !!! wink yes wassat laughing laughing laughing
    2. 210ox
      210ox 21 January 2018 12: 33
      10
      It's not about grams, but about working out technologies. What we are missing ..
      Quote: Ierarh
      And how much is the load in grams?
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 21 January 2018 12: 38
        11
        It’s not always possible to make a big one out of a small one.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 January 2018 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Rusland
          It’s not always possible to make a big one out of a small one.

          Down and Out trouble started. Our first satellite weighed only 83 kg.
          1. Dreamboat
            Dreamboat 21 January 2018 15: 52
            +3
            And how many years ago?
            Given the development of technologies, means of production and materials, to repeat the success of the post-war Soviet Union so-so achievement ....
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 21 January 2018 16: 31
              +1
              Quote: Dreamboat
              And how many years ago?
              Given the development of technologies, means of production and materials, to repeat the success of the post-war Soviet Union so-so achievement ....

              Here I am about the same. Soon they will surpass us with our stagnation.
              1. The comment was deleted.
              2. Muvka
                Muvka 21 January 2018 17: 52
                +2
                Soon, is it in 100 years?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 21 January 2018 19: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Muvka
                  Soon, is it in 100 years?

                  99
                  98
                  97
                  96
            2. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 21 January 2018 19: 51
              0
              Quote: Dreamboat
              so-so achievement ....

              and you google about this rocket first
              you can’t even google
              https://topwar.ru/116487-electron-orbitalnyy-pryz
              hok-rocket-lab-iz-novoy-zelandii.html
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 22 January 2018 13: 00
                +1
                2,5 minutes, 100 km altitude.
                Lord predictors, do not you think that all these ... in terms of technology have not even come close to North Korea. Window dressing.
                The notorious "satellites" - surveying probes, a service life of up to 10 days (if you're lucky).
                Vashcheta, for those who do not know, the ionosphere is located at an altitude of 90-160km (waves). And this is not the topmost layer of the atmosphere.
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 22 January 2018 20: 40
                  0
                  Quote: sogdy
                  in terms of technology, they did not even come close to North Korea.

                  I will say more, they got off with a fast jack
                  for they work in the civilian market based on affordable civilian technologies
                  and sowing Korea, but what about sowing Korea?
                  licensed production and testing of Russian ballistic missiles
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 22 January 2018 00: 37
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        It's not about grams, but about working out technologies. What we are missing ..
        Quote: Ierarh
        And how much is the load in grams?


        Explain why you need such a technology? ))))
  2. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 January 2018 12: 27
    14
    Well, what to say ... Found yourself a niche in the market for such services. Without work, they will not go. good
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 21 January 2018 13: 47
      14
      Agree, it is beautiful.

      And the cosmodromchik - Manunechka ...
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 22 January 2018 13: 18
        +1
        And what?
        A carrier of 2,5 meters from a 10-meter pole from a swamp launches probes at 200-250km.
        Useful weight is 14-35 kg, service life is six months or a year. Then it burns down.
        Look for photos yourself, it was full of books and thematic scientific journals.
        And yes, by the way, we know about the harm done. And you? Another 2-3 starts, and the infection radius will exceed 40 km. At 4-5 - 120 km. So rejoice, rejoice, repeating our 19th century.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 January 2018 12: 29
    32
    Ragozin, when will you resign? Competitors literally took our launches into space! And those that you won’t think about! And with your "sensitive guidance" we will soon begin to use trampolines that are so dear to your heart to launch into orbit! fool am
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 21 January 2018 12: 33
      18
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Ragozin, when will you resign?

      Take it higher, Putin! By no means Rogozin is the head of Roscosmos. But, you don’t care, the main thing is to shout!
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 21 January 2018 12: 41
        15
        And you didn’t say it in a whisper.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 21 January 2018 12: 47
          15
          Excuse me, can I go too? Rogozin on the trampoline!
          1. faiver
            faiver 21 January 2018 13: 30
            +7
            what other trampoline? On stake laughing
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck 21 January 2018 13: 55
              +2
              Quote: faiver
              what other trampoline? On stake

              first on the trampoline, and then the rest
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 22 January 2018 02: 33
                0
                first on the trampoline, and then the rest

                Rogozin first for sterilization, then change the appearance and implement in NASA.
                1. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 22 January 2018 11: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: lexus
                  first for sterilization

                  late, my friend ... he already raised and attached a successor yes
          2. poquello
            poquello 21 January 2018 13: 44
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            Excuse me, can I go too? Rogozin on the trampoline!

            By the way, an interesting topic "on a trampoline", at those heights you can try
    2. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 21 January 2018 15: 56
      +6
      Rogozin has done so much for our defense industry and Roscosmos that it is necessary to pray for him. And liberals all demand resignations. Who works, that hayut.
      Is there anyone who can do more and better ?! Or you can see better than anyone else from the couch ...
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 21 January 2018 16: 45
        +3
        Dreamboat, please, do not stop us from satisfying our needs. Otherwise, together with Rogozin, there ...
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 22 January 2018 13: 25
          +1
          Quote: sabakina
          Do not stop us from meeting our needs.

          Taki did not think that this section is for a latrine ...
          1. Rusland
            Rusland 22 January 2018 14: 48
            +8
            Quote: sogdy
            Quote: sabakina
            Do not stop us from meeting our needs.

            Taki did not think that this section is for a latrine ...

            What you mean is called natural need.
  4. 210ox
    210ox 21 January 2018 12: 29
    +9
    Interesting news .. Our "comrades" in Roscosmos "should think about it .. About trampolines ..
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 21 January 2018 12: 37
      14
      You are talking nonsense. Or do not own the information, comparing an ultra-light rocket and quite heavy, and extremely technological. I would be in favor of being sent to the ISS on such a rocket. It’s a pity, of course, that you don’t fly.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 21 January 2018 12: 42
        11
        I will support you. Every day, critics only increase. The elections are two months later, so someone needs to try out a new niche on the site (what if?), Someone needs to work out the prepaid one.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 21 January 2018 12: 45
        +3
        Of course it’s a pity. For the majority does not reach .. Why would it?
        Quote: Muvka
        You are talking nonsense. Or do not own the information, comparing an ultra-light rocket and quite heavy, and extremely technological. I would be in favor of being sent to the ISS on such a rocket. It’s a pity, of course, that you don’t fly.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 21 January 2018 13: 00
          12
          People. Do you see it? It turns out that most astronauts do not reach the ISS on our rockets. Accident rate is more than 50%. Well, how many cosmonauts have we killed ?. How can you then trust the words of this person?
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 January 2018 12: 50
        +5
        Quote: Muvka
        You are talking nonsense. Or do not own the information, comparing an ultra-light rocket and quite heavy, and extremely technological. I would be in favor of being sent to the ISS on such a rocket. It’s a pity, of course, that you don’t fly.

        I don’t think they will stop there. Once we started with an 80-pound satellite. Yes, we have achieved superiority and have stopped at this, rest on the laurels of still Soviet developments. We are waiting for when we have to catch up.
        1. onix757
          onix757 21 January 2018 13: 25
          +3
          We are waiting for when we have to catch up.

          If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then in the year 16 Rogozin already recognized the fact of lagging behind the Americans with the word "forever."
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 January 2018 13: 30
            +2
            Quote: onix757
            If sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then in the year 16 Rogozin already recognized the fact of lagging behind the Americans with the word "forever."

            Sclerosis is progressing. I only remember the "trampoline"!
            1. onix757
              onix757 21 January 2018 13: 52
              +7
              Your diagnosis is wrong :-)

              May 27, 2016 23 source: www.newsru.com
              Rogozin recognized the ninefold lag of Russia from the United States in space
              Science and technology
              Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin admitted that Russia will never catch up with the United States in space. According to him, the Russian Federation is nine times behind the United States, and this gap can be reduced even with the implementation of the most ambitious projects by only 1,5 times.

              Rogozin made a disappointing statement on Friday, May 27, at a meeting of the board of the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade, Interfax reports. “Today in the space industry we are nine times behind the Americans. All of our ambitious projects say that we should increase productivity by 1,5 times. Well, we’ll increase by XNUMX times, but still they will never catch them,” the vice concluded Prime Minister in charge of the space industry in Russia.

              According to him, if the Russian industry will not strive for high productivity and will not fight against the bureaucracy, then we in the Russian Federation "will continue to look at NASA and Ilona Mask."
              1. Dreamboat
                Dreamboat 21 January 2018 15: 59
                +3
                Financing - of course. Is that a secret?
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 01: 09
                +2
                Quote: onix757
                Your diagnosis is wrong :-)

                May 27, 2016 23 source: www.newsru.com
                Rogozin recognized the ninefold lag of Russia from the United States in space
                Science and technology
                Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin admitted that Russia will never catch up with the United States in space. According to him, the Russian Federation is nine times behind the United States, and this gap can be reduced even with the implementation of the most ambitious projects by only 1,5 times.

                Rogozin made a disappointing statement on Friday, May 27, at a meeting of the board of the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade, Interfax reports. “Today in the space industry we are nine times behind the Americans. All of our ambitious projects say that we should increase productivity by 1,5 times. Well, we’ll increase by XNUMX times, but still they will never catch them,” the vice concluded Prime Minister in charge of the space industry in Russia.

                According to him, if the Russian industry will not strive for high productivity and will not fight against the bureaucracy, then we in the Russian Federation "will continue to look at NASA and Ilona Mask."

                it was a matter of ... by the way, do not consider everyone in their prototype so narrow minded !! wink yes wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing

                Rogozin clarified the position of the impossibility of catching up with the United States in the space industry
                Speaking about the backlog of Russia in the space industry from the United States, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin did not mean the general situation, but only labor productivity. He clarified that the media quoted him incorrectly.

                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/27/05/2016/57483db19a
                79472431395c11

                Gusinsky's "newspaper" kept silent about this ?? winked wassat laughing laughing laughing
        2. poquello
          poquello 21 January 2018 13: 49
          +5
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Muvka
          You are talking nonsense. Or do not own the information, comparing an ultra-light rocket and quite heavy, and extremely technological. I would be in favor of being sent to the ISS on such a rocket. It’s a pity, of course, that you don’t fly.

          I don’t think they will stop there. Once we started with an 80-pound satellite. Yes, we have achieved superiority and have stopped at this, rest on the laurels of still Soviet developments. We are waiting for when we have to catch up.

          Did you understand the news? not? A light rocket threw light satellites from a place convenient for throwing.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 January 2018 17: 00
            +1
            Quote: poquello
            Did you understand the news? not? A light rocket threw light satellites from a place convenient for throwing.

            I understood perfectly. But time and technology do not stand still. Therefore, he suggested that over time, these missiles might get heavier in them, and we, with our, still Soviet technologies, might well be in the tail.
            1. poquello
              poquello 21 January 2018 18: 02
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: poquello
              Did you understand the news? not? A light rocket threw light satellites from a place convenient for throwing.

              I understood perfectly. But time and technology do not stand still. Therefore, he suggested that over time, these missiles might get heavier in them, and we, with our, still Soviet technologies, might well be in the tail.

              ))) and we stand in place?
            2. sogdy
              sogdy 22 January 2018 13: 49
              +1
              Quote: Piramidon
              Therefore, he suggested that over time, these missiles they can "get heavier"

              These missiles are lower in technology than the pioneers did. But much more. Almost to the limit. Further, other capacities, temperature conditions, wear resistance, and the device's lifespan are already needed. Those. actually "space technology". And this is aspirated. And it’s precisely on the mass of atmospheric air that they are setting it now, because the rest is not available to them. From the word "finally".
              Before driving the geese and shouting "everything is gone," read the textbook, get acquainted with the principle and problems of the taxiway. With solutions and problems. And limits with different solutions.
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 21 January 2018 19: 51
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          Once we started with an 80-pound satellite.

          A hundred years ago?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 22 January 2018 13: 57
            +1
            The first stratospheric aircraft launched 160 km in 1913. At 21-22 the plane safely returned and landed.
            The works of Tsiolkovsky and Kibalchich solved far from theoretical questions, otherwise you would never have known about them.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 22 January 2018 20: 31
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              The first stratospheric aircraft launched 160 km in 1913. At 21-22 the plane safely returned and landed.
              The works of Tsiolkovsky and Kibalchich solved far from theoretical questions, otherwise you would never have known about them.

              Why did you write all this?
            2. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 22 January 2018 20: 43
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              The first stratospheric aircraft launched 160 km in 1913. At 21-22 the plane safely returned and landed.

              Do not share the link to this invention?
            3. CT-55_11-9009
              CT-55_11-9009 23 January 2018 09: 29
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              The first stratospheric aircraft launched 160 km in 1913.

              Sorry what? Yes, a height of 16 km was conquered 20 years later (even more)! And the plane ... Stratospheric ... At 160 km ... Nah, this is already too much. Yes, there is already the wildest ionosphere (near space)! Yes, in the 1960s, an experienced rocket plane (American) barely drove just 102 km away!
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 21 January 2018 12: 35
    +9
    Rocket Lab has completed the construction of the world's first private spaceport
    Interestingly, they also stole during the construction, or do you not really turn yourself up?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 January 2018 12: 50
      +8
      Stormbreaker, after your words in the pigsty / barn it became suspiciously quiet ....
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 01: 26
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Rocket Lab has completed the construction of the world's first private spaceport
      Interestingly, they also stole during the construction, or do you not really turn yourself up?

      First you need to find out on whose money construction was generally going there !! wink yes laughing laughing

      In December 2010, the company received a contract from the US government as part of a program for the operational deployment of tactical space systems to develop a means of delivering nanosatellites to orbits. request request request
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 22 January 2018 14: 00
        +2
        Quote: Nikolai the Greek
        to develop a means of delivering nanosatellites to orbits

        Nano 80 kg. Like the very calculators ...
        Apparently, this is a big hat.
  6. 264
    264 21 January 2018 12: 35
    +7
    Well, they said that they can’t do anything without us. There are no irreplaceable ones, Roscosmos relaxed early.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 21 January 2018 12: 53
      +3
      Nothing outstanding, just satellites became pocket-sized.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 22 January 2018 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: Orionvit
        just satellites became pocket-sized.

        Pocket 80 kg? Doesn't it seem that something is wrong?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 22 January 2018 17: 26
          +1
          Quote: sogdy
          Pocket 80 kg?

          And what is the weight? Here is 800 kg, it’s already back and forth. Or 8 tons, already good, and 50 tons, this I understand the achievement. Soon the satellites will become even smaller and we will read messages like "Children at Izhevsk (conditionally), the palace of technical creativity, launched another satellite, which will help teach space flights and master these disciplines such as the basics of space navigation, communication, and so on." laughing I recalled a moment from the childhood film "Guest from the Future", where the pioneers from the circle launched the satellite at the cosmodrome. laughing
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2018 12: 36
    22
    This is a unique project. I read about him. There is not only a 3-D print engine, but also a turbo pump that supplies fuel to the engine - ELECTRIC! Powerful, powered by batteries. But this is one of the most difficult nodes in the rocket engine, and they all worked out! There, the payload is under 200 kg.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 21 January 2018 12: 52
      +6
      It is interesting to know, and before that, did the pump spin with drive belts? recourse
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 21 January 2018 13: 06
        +8
        Prior to that, he worked on rocket fuel.
        There are a number of subtleties why this is bad.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 21 January 2018 13: 09
          +3
          BlackMokona, and what is the worst subtlety? Me for general development.
          1. corporal
            corporal 21 January 2018 14: 14
            +4
            Quote: sabakina
            Me for general development.

            Contact Opus comrade, he is an expert in this topic and has already talked about it
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 21 January 2018 14: 19
            0
            The complexity is large, and this is an additional price and points of failure. In general, the transition to electric traction, although pioneering, but it will not be difficult to follow it. Naturally, on new missiles, it will be difficult to remake the old ones
          3. Pan_hrabio
            Pan_hrabio 21 January 2018 16: 40
            +2
            As far as I read in the Cosmonautics News, there is nothing wrong with rocket fuel pumps in general. It just complicates the engine due to an additional gas generator, turbine, pipelines, etc. Plus really increases the chance of failures. But at the moment, such pumps outperform mass pumps.

            Here we are dealing with a small rocket and a small development company. In this case, the mass of the electric pump is insignificant against the background of a significant simplification of the development, refinement and production of the engine.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 21 January 2018 12: 46
    +7
    Shustra Herods))) There is a fool that we will need another 10 years and Rogozin trampoline hi
    1. poquello
      poquello 21 January 2018 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: tchoni
      Shustra Herods))) There is a fool that we will need another 10 years and Rogozin trampoline hi

      need it - they will do it!
  9. Azim77
    Azim77 21 January 2018 12: 49
    +6
    Directly, the rocket science circles have again gone into fashion now.

    1. Dreamboat
      Dreamboat 21 January 2018 16: 02
      +2
      Now someone will yell that Roskosmos already lags behind the "Spark" .... wassat
    2. Scalpel
      Scalpel 22 January 2018 09: 55
      0
      That's when they put something into orbit, then we'll talk.
  10. GABALIS
    GABALIS 21 January 2018 12: 51
    +4
    Like such news, they immediately blew the polymers :))) And each time the same thing, so a side view :)
  11. askort154
    askort154 21 January 2018 12: 52
    +5
    Oh, what a surprise for "all the prosraliters." fool Do you even think about what it might lead to - private use of the Cosmos. This is not a huckster in the market. This is a "huckster" outside the control of the states in Space, and what he will take out there, a Coca Cola box or nuclear "crap" is his "right". This is a private business. fool
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 January 2018 14: 01
      +4
      But the figurines - there is some kind of legal justification for ALL orbits, and just like that, “no one wanted” anyone in the world can launch anything. There are “windows” of launches, etc. And as for the withdrawal of the poison bomb - I beg you, EVERYBODY is afraid of this and watches each other together, moreover, this is not land-based carriers for you and in the case of a “jamb" it can crash to any point along the flight path. And if the trajectory is not circular, well, is it "sliding" then will the bomb actually fly over all areas of the earth? This is like the first nuclear strike - no one wants the Third World Thermonuclear Fusion to start due to a malfunction (and there are plenty of them in the space program). For no matter whoever thinks, but to convince Russia or China "oh, and we accidentally dropped the udera bomb on you" - it will not work. No.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 01: 38
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Oh, what a surprise for "all the prosraliters." fool Do you even think about what it might lead to - private use of the Cosmos. This is not a huckster in the market. This is a "huckster" outside the control of the states in Space, and what he will take out there, a Coca Cola box or nuclear "crap" is his "right". This is a private business. fool

      I love the American leadership there, the roof of this company .... there is no private company !! wink laughing laughing laughing Remember the attempt of American private firms to buy our "debt securities", and the urgent recommendation of the American authorities not to do this !!! yes lol lol lol bullshit all these tales of amers about democracy, freedom, private property and other crap !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
      1. Scalpel
        Scalpel 22 January 2018 09: 56
        0
        Business must comply with the laws, that's all. Or, too, allow drugs to buy?
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Scalpel
          Business must comply with the laws, that's all. Or, too, allow drugs to buy?

          recourse recourse there was just an oral recommendation from the American regime not to buy our papers !! laughing laughing laughing since when did such an action become law ??? wassat wassat lol lol lol about drugs you have poor knowledge .. u amers you can buy it !! tongue tongue laughing
  12. Orionvit
    Orionvit 21 January 2018 12: 56
    +5
    Quote: Stas157
    But, you don’t care, the main thing is to shout!

    But no. Look at yourself, and everywhere, where something does not suit you, on the eve of the elections, already shouting "Putin is to blame" for saliva. And they could not resist here. laughing
    1. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2018 13: 30
      +9
      Quote: Orionvit
      on the eve of the election, already shouting "Putin is to blame"

      Come on Colleague himy cat is a bastard this morning by a shit past, so who else but Putin is to blame laughing The shuttle bus didn’t arrive on time, guess who is to blame? good Of course, PUTIN, but Putin, and not me, should also solve my problems, for now I will sit on the couch and will leave angry comments on VO. yes Here comes the G. national oligarch, oh sorry candidate, he will definitely decide everything for me. laughing Like elections, so the circus lights up the lights. hi
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 21 January 2018 15: 04
        +8
        Here you are certainly right! Can our monument and the epic hero Putin be to blame for something? Is this people just seemingly like this? They demand something, distracting from pike catching, do you understand ...
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 22 January 2018 10: 36
          +6
          Quote: sapporo1959
          Can our monument and the epic hero Putin

          YOUR belay belay belay It was a miracle when Belarus united with Russia and Putin became president of one state? laughing Hello dad epic hero and monument laughing Oh miracle in feathers. tongue
  13. onix757
    onix757 21 January 2018 13: 00
    0
    Quote: askort154
    Do you even think about what it might lead to - private use of the Cosmos.

    So far, Soviet-American agreements act as a limiter, but they are already hampering Americans. In the Russian Federation there are interested authorities that should work in this direction. If the Russian Federation does not offer anything as a conclusion of an actual agreement, then it only simplifies life for the USA.
  14. Mih1974
    Mih1974 21 January 2018 13: 56
    +4
    Sorry - this is not serious, the declared cast weight is up to 150 kilograms !!! This is essentially a "big firecracker." Yes, it has interesting and new ideas, but alas, there is nothing “breakthrough” for astronautics.
    I am an absolute amateur in this field, but from the data given it is clear - proximity to the equator, plastics and composites wherever possible and impossible to have a goal to lower the PRICE. YES, it’s wonderful that they essentially create a market for themselves by launching any small things that were previously loaded with a "dump truck" into a load "to large satellites with a" free load ". Actually, this event is more than expected - humanity has been flying into space for so long that only the Cold War slowed down the process of transferring launches (especially such trifles) to private hands.
    1. Scalpel
      Scalpel 22 January 2018 09: 59
      0
      Well, this is a breakthrough, in accessibility.
    2. Topgun
      Topgun 22 January 2018 11: 10
      0
      the point here is not a rocket (which is figurative in terms of efficiency), the point is how it was built ...
      missiles have a lot of human labor (everything is done manually + often unique machines are used to create individual parts that exist in a single form) salary for people (5 thousand people minimum) to create unique machines for unique parts, etc. etc.
      and then people print a rocket on 3D machines (of course, not all the details), if you compare it with the auto industry like a robotized production of Volkswagen and manual assembly of a Ferrari, it’s clear that Ferrari is cooler but the price is ten times higher ...
      and now about the "trifle" that they immediately needed to sculpt a monster like "H 1" or still work out technology on smaller rockets? the same elementary logic ...
  15. Vard
    Vard 21 January 2018 14: 03
    +1
    It is very simple to catch up and overtake the USA ... In any field of activity ... You just need to pay people the same .... In the morning money ... In the evening chairs ....
    1. My doctor
      My doctor 21 January 2018 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      It is very simple to catch up and overtake the USA ... In any field of activity ... You just need to pay people the same .... In the morning money ... In the evening chairs ....

      You have to pay scouts, industrial spies.
  16. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 January 2018 14: 08
    +4
    Even more interesting is this contraption: an aircraft for launching rockets into space.
    And the satellites will launch rockets. One step is saved.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 21 January 2018 14: 47
      +6
      It will break in the middle sooner or later, for example if it gets into turbulence.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 January 2018 15: 24
        +2
        It will not break, since the wing is hardened in the central part.
        1. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 21 January 2018 15: 59
          +4
          It will break, because you do not know whether it is hardened and since it is impossible to make such a structure strong and effective.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 January 2018 17: 21
            0
            "A solid and efficient design is impossible." Perhaps - a central beam made of steel and composites, of increased tensile strength - torsion - the guys in CAD worked everything including the loads.
            1. Falcon5555
              Falcon5555 22 January 2018 02: 23
              0
              Who is there and what worked, what “guys” - xs. Either this beam + fuselage reinforcements at the junction with it will be excessively heavy, or all this will be fragile. It cannot be done firmly and effectively, with such a narrow beam - this is obvious. And this is pointless: the wing can be wider and have lift.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 22 January 2018 21: 37
                0
                A narrow and long wing is more efficient from an aerodynamic point of view, and the aircraft itself, at full load, will weigh 580 tons.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 01: 43
        0
        Quote: Falcon5555
        It will break in the middle sooner or later, for example if it gets into turbulence.

        will not break, but rather .... it will simply be written off later by amers as an unsuccessful or unnecessary project ... the loot has been sawn down, we follow further !! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
        1. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 22 January 2018 02: 24
          0
          the loot is cut
          It seems like frequent money there.
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 03: 21
            0
            Quote: Falcon5555
            the loot is cut
            It seems like frequent money there.

            recourse amerikos formally everything is private !!! what what lol lol by the way, private too sawn perfectly !!! laughing laughing
            1. Falcon5555
              Falcon5555 22 January 2018 14: 21
              +2
              1. Not everything is private.
              2. I would not join the euphoria about "sawing perfectly !!!" If you are sawing, then saw off for yourself and sunbathe in Hawaii, and you are in Russia, judging by the flag.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 22 January 2018 20: 36
                0
                Quote: Falcon5555
                If sawing, then saw off for yourself and sunbathe in Hawaii, and you are in Russia, judging by the flag.

                Oh, defender of American democracy. Americans do not take bribes? In the United States, corruption was defeated by capturing HER.
                1. Falcon5555
                  Falcon5555 22 January 2018 22: 09
                  +2
                  Oh, a critic of American democracy - it’s not about democracy and corruption at all. But since who’s talking about something, and you’re talking about painful things, tell us - do the Americans take bribes, or did they defeat corruption?
      3. Topgun
        Topgun 22 January 2018 11: 25
        0
        you want to say that the engineers who calculate each bolt are dumber than you :))) + now there are sooo powerful programs that calculate everything ...
        it’s not magic and not a casino, it’s mathematics and physics, everything can be counted ...
    2. axxenm
      axxenm 21 January 2018 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Even more interesting is this contraption: an aircraft for launching rockets into space.
      And the satellites will launch rockets. One step is saved.

      empty idea
      1. no payload:
      the Pegasus-2 rocket was canceled (under which this clumsy apparatus was designed).
      2. only specially prepared satellites can be launched (another direction of overloads acting on the payload)
      3. regular use is required for payback applications,
      (at least once every 2 weeks)., including for other purposes.
      Stratolaunch was created for a large rocket (over 200t)
      - 2 different rockets were developed under full load
      1) Space X Falcon 9 Air - abandoned development focusing on the Falcon family
      "Development ceased in 4Q2012 as SpaceX and Stratolaunch" amicably agreed to end [their] contractual relationship because the [Stratolaunch] launch vehicle design [had] departed significantly from the Falcon derivative vehicle envisioned by SpaceX and does not fit well with [SpaceX's] long -term strategic business model. "
      2) pegas -2 office did not pull. Moreover, in the process they turned the wrong way - they developed a solid-fuel rocket (and this is a small impulse),
      although just for an air launch it is more profitable to make a rocket with a high momentum - either hydrogen or methane and immediately with a high-altitude nozzle.
      Therefore, being without rockets, management
      made a clownish senile excuse:
      - they say we will launch immediately three missiles "pegas -1" !!!
      it’s impossible to come up with more stupidity - even if there is a task to launch 3 Pegasus in a short period of time
      it’s better easier it’s more reliable to make 3 flights,
      not to mention the fact that a carrier with a carrying capacity of 30 tons is enough for this - 8 times less !!
      So, I’m sure that in a year or so they’ll launch a little pegasik for public relations, and that’s where it all will die ...
      But Internet users, far from astronautics, will post photos of this useless monster for a long time as something “original” and “breakthrough”
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 January 2018 15: 25
        0
        No matter how the opposite happened.
        1. axxenm
          axxenm 21 January 2018 15: 27
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          No matter how the opposite happened.

          on the contrary, how is it? So what?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 January 2018 17: 22
            0
            It will display satellites - for cheap.
            1. axxenm
              axxenm 21 January 2018 17: 48
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              It will display satellites - for cheap.

              ridiculed ... and what air step?
              apparently some kind of super-secret in secret laboratories, because in the near future (2-4 years) - as I detailed in detail - there is no such missile.
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 21 January 2018 20: 18
                0
                Quote: axxenm
                ridiculed ... and what air step?

                and why do not you electron rocket?
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Электрон_(ракета-но
                sitel)
                Starting weight 12 550 kg
                increase 20 times and here are your 250ton
                Falcon1
                Starting weight 27 670 kg
                Payload mass - on DOE 420 kg
                F
                Payload mass - on DOE
                FT: 22 800 kg
                v1.1: 13 kg
                v1.0: 9000 kg
                in addition, the plane itself has not even completed its first flight
                1. axxenm
                  axxenm 21 January 2018 21: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: prosto_rgb
                  Quote: axxenm
                  ridiculed ... and what air step?

                  and why do not you electron rocket?
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Электрон_(ракета-но
                  sitel)
                  Starting weight 12 550 kg
                  increase 20 times and here are your 250ton
                  .

                  I didn’t understand anything - why did you write this bunch of numbers?
                  I wrote about the absence of an air stage-rocket capable of starting from this wunder-lithak ...
                  you wrote down the declared (some never even closely completed - for example, 22800 kg on the Falon 9 DOE; in real life, never more than 10 kg on the DOE never launched) rocket characteristics, and then you started to make some mysterious multiplications with them. - "Starting weight 000 12 kg
                  increase by 20 times here’s your 250ton "...
                  But in the end, after all these outrages, they wrote the correct, though banal fact, and in favor of my point of view - "besides, the plane itself has not even completed its first flight"
                  .
                  so what do you want to say with your comment on my post?
                  1. prosto_rgb
                    prosto_rgb 21 January 2018 22: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: axxenm
                    so what do you want to say with your comment on my post?

                    exactly that there is time to do the air step
                    for there is no plane from the very air stage a little sense
                    1. axxenm
                      axxenm 21 January 2018 22: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: prosto_rgb
                      Quote: axxenm
                      so what do you want to say with your comment on my post?

                      exactly that there is time to do the air step
                      for there is no plane from the very air stage a little sense

                      ... there is time to make an airplane, for as long as there is no air stage from the airplane itself, there’s not much sense ...
                      .. what kind of verbal fog?
                      .
                      - I don’t understand anything! Or something happened, or one of two! © The investigation is conducted by Koloboks
                      1. prosto_rgb
                        prosto_rgb 21 January 2018 23: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: axxenm
                        - I don’t understand anything!

                        explain to especially foggy koloboks
                        Why are you planning to launch an air launch rocket weighing 200 tons in the absence of carrier?
  17. Azazelo
    Azazelo 21 January 2018 14: 17
    +2
    In short, the Yankees apparently decided to cover up the NASA that had been lying. And again, stolen patents from private offices are easier to use. I think soon they will again and again talk about a breakthrough in science and technology about the transfer of energy to a distance, about eternal batteries and more. It’s just that the moment has come for these accomplishments, when Teslov’s inventions will be taken from a deep box.
  18. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 21 January 2018 15: 33
    0
    Not lads is bad. Imagine what the clogging of space will be, it's the hell that will be, it is not known who and it is not known what they will throw there. Compare the behavior of drivers on the road, with the availability of buying a car. The same will happen in space, for whom to follow, what to do?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 21 January 2018 16: 32
      0
      To force them to do as SpaceX, after launching them, they don’t have a single gram in orbit from the carrier. The first stage sits down, the second drowns. And satellite manufacturers and operators can be forced to heat satellites after the expiration of the warranty period. Then it will be purely in orbit
  19. Old26
    Old26 21 January 2018 15: 52
    +7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    This is a unique project. I read about him. There is not only a 3-D print engine, but also a turbo pump that supplies fuel to the engine - ELECTRIC! Powerful, powered by batteries. But this is one of the most difficult nodes in the rocket engine, and they all worked out! There, the payload is under 200 kg.

    225 at the DOE and 100 at the solar-synchronous.
    The question now is becoming somewhat different. Satellites, rightly stated, are becoming miniature. Those that were launched by "Electron" had a mass of a maximum of 5 kg.
    The market of ultra-small satellites is expanding every year. Launching them even with light launch vehicles with a carrying capacity of 5-7 tons becomes economically unprofitable. The market of ultra-small launch vehicles is now practically empty. And we have such developments. a private company is ready to create such LVs and launch such satellites. That's just all about finance. He does everything for his money ... Last fall, EMNIP, they tested either the 1st stage, or the entire rocket ... And the launch area can really be any. moreover, the spaceport is sometimes not needed. Temporary launcher, which is minted for half a day-day

    Quote: Mih1974
    Sorry - this is not serious, the declared cast weight is up to 150 kilograms !!! This is essentially a "big firecracker." Yes, it has interesting and new ideas, but alas, there is nothing “breakthrough” for astronautics.
    I am an absolute amateur in this field, but from the data given it is clear - proximity to the equator, plastics and composites wherever possible and impossible to have a goal to lower the PRICE. YES, it’s wonderful that they essentially create a market for themselves by launching any small things that were previously loaded with a "dump truck" into a load "to large satellites with a" free load ". Actually, this event is more than expected - humanity has been flying into space for so long that only the Cold War slowed down the process of transferring launches (especially such trifles) to private hands.

    That it is a large or small firecracker is the tenth matter. Now the market for small satellites is constantly expanding. if in 2014 half of the satellites had a mass of less than 10 kg and their number was 9 small), there were 3-4 dozens. But at about 2018, the number of such satellites is about 150. By 2030 - they plan about 600 a year. Of course, these are easier and cheaper to run so ultralight. But here we are behind. Investments of the order of 10 million are required to start flying our ultra-small Taimyr rocket. But it’s easier to spend on something grand than to invest this money in private firms
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 21 January 2018 20: 23
      0
      Quote: Old26
      That's just all about finance.

      Ah
      they had to start with cello cases
      you look and there would be no questions with money

      Quote: Old26
      And the launch area can really be any. moreover, the spaceport is sometimes not needed. Temporary launcher, which is minted for half a day-day

      very relevant
      interestingly, the Chinese are also sawing such a system, like they are going to mount on a car chassis
  20. Professor
    Professor 21 January 2018 18: 17
    +5
    1. I am glad that another private trader has entered the market. good
    2. ENIP then this one has an electric drive for the fuel supply turbine (do not be angry if you haven’t formulated it correctly).
    3. On this rocket, all the main engine parts are printed within 24 hours.
    4. The missile is very reminiscent of an ICBM. Not much annoying that she is in private hands. clear contradiction 1. bully

    PS
    Nominal payload 150 kg.
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  22. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya 22 January 2018 10: 55
    +2
    This is an extremely effective investment - your spaceport !!! good And in a very picturesque corner. Here what for yachts and villas to spend money, it is much better to invest like that. Yes, and there will be profit)) Fame again.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 22 January 2018 20: 38
      0
      Quote: Archivist Vasya
      This is an extremely effective investment - your spaceport !!!

      The spaceport for this facility is too loud a name. To call the asphalted platform with a pole - a cosmodrome too pathos.