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Turkish armored vehicles entered Afrin

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Turkish Tanks and other armored vehicles entered Syrian Afrin to support the opposition Free Syrian Army in operations against Kurdish units, reports RIA News with reference to the channel NTV.




According to the TV channel, the Turkish military has not yet encountered serious resistance from the Kurds, whose troops depart from the border deep into Syrian territory.

On Saturday, the Turkish Armed Forces launched Operation Olive Branch against Kurdish forces. The operation began with airstrikes. The Turkish Defense Ministry stated that only “terrorist objects” were attacked.

Meanwhile, the council of the canton of Afrin reported 13-ti injured civilians, including two children. Kurdish troops, in turn, declared their readiness to defend themselves.

Official Damascus condemned the actions of Turkey, calling them an encroachment on the sovereignty of Syria.

Moscow blamed the crisis on Washington. The Defense Ministry noted that provocative actions by the United States, "aimed at separating areas with predominantly Kurdish population," led to the crisis.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 21 January 2018 11: 51
    12
    Some are isolated, others are occupying. Horseradish is not sweeter. We express our concern - our main weapon.
    1. dorz
      dorz 21 January 2018 11: 52
      +3
      The Ministry of Defense noted that the provocative actions of the United States led to the crisis

      It's time to call a spade a spade, and not to curry favor with provocateurs.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 21 January 2018 12: 11
        +8
        The Kurds decided to apply one well-known method: exhausting the enemy with a run? Or a very tricky plan (borrowed from the GDP).
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 January 2018 12: 18
          +2
          It seems that the lesser of the two evils was chosen, it’s hard for us to guess, let's see what happens next.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 21 January 2018 12: 34
          +5
          And could they do something else during the offensive of the Turkish army?

          However, evaluate the phrase from the article:
          Turkish tanks and other armored vehicles entered Syrian Afrin to provide support opposition Free Syrian Army

          And yesterday everyone sang that these same pro-American SSAs would be ironed. How interesting are these Free Armies there?
          1. Grits
            Grits 21 January 2018 15: 19
            +2
            How interesting are these Free Armies there?
            There, everyone who is against Assad, but they are afraid of getting Lyuli, calling themselves terrorists, call themselves the Syrian Free Army. no matter who their owner and sponsor is. This is more comfortable.
            There is an American SSA.
            There is a Turkish SSA
            There is a Qatari SSA
            There is a Saudi SSA.
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 January 2018 13: 00
          +3
          Quote: oleg-gr
          running out of the enemy? Or a very tricky plan (borrowed from the GDP).

          And from whom and when did he run? fool
        4. xetai9977
          xetai9977 21 January 2018 14: 35
          +2
          Today, aviation is not involved. Yesterday 72 F-16s attacked 108 targets and all returned safely to base. (Nobody paid any attention to Assad’s scarecrows) By the way, yesterday a military expert on Turkish TV said this phrase- "Our aviation has calculated all the options for threats. Including from the air defense, which nominally belongs to Syria, but in reality the Russians are in charge." Among other things, the military airfield was bombed, through which the Kurds received help. At night, Kurdish positions from the MLRS were ironed. And in the morning, the artillery was connected. Ground forces have already crossed the border and are slowly moving forward. Judging by the personnel, the population greets the Turks with enthusiasm. In the first wave - the SSA fighters, and only then the Turkish army. While they go without loss.
          1. Grits
            Grits 21 January 2018 15: 22
            +7
            If we hadn’t agreed with Russia, then, naturally, no planes would have flown there. The Russians gave freedom of action. And Assad, as the head of the country, simply had to say something about the sovereignty of the state. It is appropriate to save face. Although, he is well aware of the agreements between the Russians and the Turks.
      2. Yujanin.
        Yujanin. 21 January 2018 12: 13
        +6
        It's time to call a spade a spade, and not to curry favor with provocateurs.

        Assets must be kept at home.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 21 January 2018 11: 56
      28
      210ox
      ... We express our concern - our main weapon ...

      Not everything is so categorical. Turks are acting in our interests. Noticed neither our Defense Ministry nor the Iranians have anything against. The Kurds on the suction of the mattresses decided to seize what they never belonged to in the guise of a civil war. Sooner or later, Assad would have to pick out the Kurds from there. The concerns of the Foreign Ministry and the Defense Ministry of Syria are on duty.
      We don’t know much of what, more than sure that there are agreements between the Syrians, Iranians and Turks, with our mediation. Absolutely none of this quartet is interested in strengthening the Kurds.
      1. mad
        mad 21 January 2018 12: 01
        +5
        Quote: Andrey K
        Sooner or later, Assad would have to pick out the Kurds from there.

        Now we’re chewing popcorn and vangaeming, whether we will have to pick out the Turks from there ... About the statement of the Turkish prime minister, I’m vkurse, but these are just words.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 09
          18
          Quote: mad
          ... wouldn’t it be necessary to pick out the Turks from there ...

          Anyone will have to pick out a Turk, but this is much easier to do, bearing in mind that they are nevertheless newcomers. It’s more difficult for Kurds to engage in a massacre with Kurds, Assad will receive accusations of a “democratic” West - from the destruction of the “opposition” to the genocide of his own citizens. And so wild Edik himself will do everything and all the bumps on him ...
          1. Misha Honest
            Misha Honest 21 January 2018 12: 26
            +5
            Quote: Andrey K
            Quote: mad
            ... wouldn’t it be necessary to pick out the Turks from there ...

            Anyone will have to pick out a Turk, but this is much easier to do, bearing in mind that they are nevertheless newcomers. It’s more difficult for Kurds to engage in a massacre with Kurds, Assad will receive accusations of a “democratic” West - from the destruction of the “opposition” to the genocide of his own citizens. And so wild Edik himself will do everything and all the bumps on him ...

            Did I understand you correctly? Do you think that the Turkish regular army will be easier to "pick out" than the Kurds ?! belay
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 33
              20
              Quote: Misha Honest
              ...Did I understand you correctly? Do you think that the Turkish regular army will be easier to "pick out" than the Kurds?! ... belay

              Exactly. Turkish regular army will be easier to "pick out" than the Kurds.
              You read what I wrote, right? It will be easier to "pick out" a Turk, from the point of view of international law. Much easier than organizing a massacre with your own citizens, which the Kurds are.
              I somehow wrote wrong? It seems clear and without a double interpretation hi
              1. Misha Honest
                Misha Honest 21 January 2018 12: 39
                +2
                Quote: Andrey K
                It will be easier to "pick out" a Turk, from the point of view of international law

                Using international law ?! laughing
                With all due respect, but in my opinion no one in the world cares about international law except Russia. Everyone does what they want.
                hi
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 44
                  10
                  Quote: Misha Honest
                  ... using international law?! ... laughing

                  Exclusively by the gift of persuasion laughing
                  Best regards hi
              2. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 21 January 2018 12: 48
                +7
                Quote: Andrey K
                Turkish regular army will be easier to "pick out"

                I support. And magic tomatoes will help us with this. Rather, a ban on their import. The integrity of Erdogan’s “tomatoes” directly depends on the supply of Turkish tomatoes. In Turkey, not everyone passionately loves their president. Especially those who are closely tied to trade with Russia.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 21 January 2018 13: 11
                  +4
                  The attempted military coup proved that Erdogan is loved not only on TV.
                2. Viktor.12.71
                  Viktor.12.71 21 January 2018 15: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Polite Elk
                  In Turkey, not everyone passionately loves their president.

                  And who then took to the streets against the coup? Not on TV I know the situation in Turkey, but the majority is for Erdogan.
                  1. Polite Moose
                    Polite Moose 21 January 2018 16: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Viktor.12.71
                    Not on TV I know the situation in Turkey, but the majority is for Erdogan.

                    Victor! hi Here, unfortunately, we do not have much first-hand information. I also had to communicate with the Turks, though here in Russia, and my comrade in my business regularly darts back and forth. The Turkish trend of the year before last: "it would be better if we shot down our plane."
                    Of course, I admit that here they say one thing, and at home - another. Once upon a time with us comrade Stalin enjoyed the unlimited support and love of the whole people, without exception. More precisely, there were exceptions, but they quickly grew into conclusions.
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 22 January 2018 02: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Viktor.12.71
                    Quote: Polite Elk
                    In Turkey, not everyone passionately loves their president.

                    And who then took to the streets against the coup? Not on TV I know the situation in Turkey, but the majority is for Erdogan.

                    finally, their country was divided in half in the elections !! wink yes farting scored a little more than 50% ... but the bottom line is that the rest half hates him !!! wink yes laughing laughing laughing in your case "majority" is a relative concept !!! lol lol lol
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 21 January 2018 12: 39
            +2

            And so wild Edik himself will do everything and all the bumps on him ...

            Yeah .. and he will create his own pocket Syrian opposition in the territories under his control. I suspect that the Turks will never leave their lands.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 45
              10
              Quote: alexmach
              ... I suspect that the Turks will never leave the land they occupy ...

              Turks are not suicides.
              1. garnik
                garnik 21 January 2018 14: 18
                +1
                Turks are not suicides.

                You are right, therefore, the whole mob consisting of citizens of Russia, the CIS and other states is being thrown into the position of the Kurds. And after graduation they will offer, at best, autonomy for the Turkoman in Syria. I am 100% sure, otherwise they would have sat exactly.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 21 January 2018 16: 27
                  +3
                  You are right, therefore they are throwing them at the position of the Kurds ...


                  Do they exist, these same positions? recourse From all the porridge I still did not understand what forces these Kurds have - a platoon, company, regiment, division or a herd of artiodactyls? While it reminds a documentary film about Israel and the Palestinians - the kids leave stones at the soldiers, then they bury one dead man with a horde of people and protest something there. Nifiga is unclear, but the strategy has already been divorced.
                  1. garnik
                    garnik 21 January 2018 18: 14
                    +1
                    I think the Turks are not bombing the towns and cities, but the ammunition depots, the headquarters and I dare say all the same positions. (Depending on who understands this word.) They all have platoons and regiments. great. And in the ranks of men, if there are women, then this is generally a war not for life, but for death.
                    There was such a case in Ar.tsakh. When 22 volunteers from the PKK were assigned to 2 volunteers from my village. They took the height by losing one volunteer. Although before that they were afraid to lean out of the trench. True, only two of the volunteers had previously participated in the war.
                    1. dauria
                      dauria 21 January 2018 18: 52
                      +2
                      They all have platoons and regiments


                      The question was simple - how many and which ones. Erdogan also danced from here for sure. He created an advantage, determined the flanks and directions, reserves and supplies, conducted aviation and artillery training. He didn’t take one thing into account - he would have to feed and heal these “opponents”. They are now draping, and then they will sit on their necks like a "victim." Straight Jewish-Palestinian conflict. The boys leave with stones, and then they will receive benefits. belay And the tales of two women and the loss of one brow during the assault - to the children. So at the height of the half-soldier it was only (1 to 2 losses normal) The rest just sat drinking tea.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 21 January 2018 12: 06
        +5
        Are the Turks in our interests? God forbid! They put their interests higher. Then redeem them from there, they themselves will not leave.
        Quote: Andrey K
        210ox
        ... We express our concern - our main weapon ...

        Not everything is so categorical. Turks are acting in our interests. Noticed neither our Defense Ministry nor the Iranians have anything against. The Kurds on the suction of the mattresses decided to seize what they never belonged to in the guise of a civil war. Sooner or later, Assad would have to pick out the Kurds from there. The concerns of the Foreign Ministry and the Defense Ministry of Syria are on duty.
        We don’t know much of what, more than sure that there are agreements between the Syrians, Iranians and Turks, with our mediation. Absolutely none of this quartet is interested in strengthening the Kurds.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 13
          11
          Quote: 210ox
          ... Turks are in our interests? God forbid! They put their interests higher. Then they will be bought from there, they themselves will not leave ...

          And no one says that the Turks are pursuing our interests. Naturally, they have their own. Ours simply gave vent to Erdogan to deal with misunderstandings on the issue of the Kurds, who, being under the mattresses of the shore, had beguiled.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 21 January 2018 12: 39
            +2
            "Turks act in our interests" is your words ... But you can’t give Erdogan free rein. Otherwise, we will have to leave completely, or fight with the same Turks ..
            Quote: Andrey K
            Quote: 210ox
            ... Turks are in our interests? God forbid! They put their interests higher. Then they will be bought from there, they themselves will not leave ...

            And no one says that the Turks are pursuing our interests. Naturally, they have their own. Ours simply gave vent to Erdogan to deal with misunderstandings on the issue of the Kurds, who, being under the mattresses of the shore, had beguiled.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 56
              +8
              Quote: 210ox
              ... But you can’t give Erdogan free rein, otherwise we will have to leave completely, or fight with the same Turks ...

              What makes you think that someone gave vent to Erdogan? Where such confidence?
              We read (literally a few days before the "brainwash" arranged by the Kurds):
              ... negotiations between Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov with the head of the Turkish General Staff Hulusi Akara and the director of the National Intelligence Organization Hakan Fidan took place within the walls of the National Center for Defense Management of the Russian Federation ...

              I think that the staff of the Turkish Defense Ministry were correctly consulted. At least I would hope so hi
          2. My doctor
            My doctor 21 January 2018 15: 21
            0
            Quote: Andrey K
            And no one says that the Turks are pursuing our interests. Naturally, they have their own. Ours simply gave vent to Erdogan to deal with misunderstandings on the issue of the Kurds, who, being under the mattresses of the shore, had beguiled.

            Tin, with each post farther and farther from the earth.
            Quote: Andrey K
            Ours just gave free rein
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 21 January 2018 15: 29
              +6
              Quote: MyVrach
              ... Tin, with each post farther and farther from the earth ...

              Did you want to say something or troll?
              To "tin" does not cover, follow the entire conversation chain.
              And yes, turn back to the ground laughing
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 21 January 2018 12: 37
        +2
        The Kurds on the suction of the mattresses decided to seize what they never belonged to in the guise of a civil war

        So this, as they write here, there were other Kurds, those in Cancer and near Deir Air Zor, these are the “right” pro-American Kurds. their Americans are not allowed to touch.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 21 January 2018 12: 40
          +9
          Quote: alexmach
          ... So this, as they write here, there were other Kurds, those in Cancer and near Deir Air Zor, these are the “right” pro-American Kurds. their Americans are not allowed to touch ...

          You can write anything, the whole question is who writes and for whose ears he writes. For our ears with you ...
          You did not happen to notice that the "right" and the "wrong Kurds" have the same feeder ...
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 21 January 2018 12: 45
            +4
            Who is where the trough, I can not judge. But what I noticed is that the Turks act consistently and achieve their goals. At first they prevented the unification of the eastern and western Kurds, now they will iron the western ones. What will happen next with the Oriental - “we will see.” One thing is clear - there will be no real peace in Syria for a very long time.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 21 January 2018 13: 04
              +6
              Quote: alexmach
              ... One thing is clear - there will not be a real peace in Syria for a very long time ...

              That's for sure ...
      4. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 January 2018 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: Andrey K
        Sooner or later, Assad would have to pick out the Kurds from there.

        Now you have to "pick out" the Ottomans.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 21 January 2018 14: 07
          +5
          Quote: Piramidon
          will have to "pick out" the Ottomans.

          The whole question of where and how to pick them out, the Kurds can move to Damascus. The fact that the "Sultan" will do everything for us ... Maybe then he will also overthrow Assad, leaving us with bases, having decided in our favor the problem with the "pipe"? There is no clarity about what Russia will do in the event of the outbreak of war between Turkey and the Assad army. Most importantly, after triumphant declarations of victory, we can remain out of work, relying on the fact that someone else, not ourselves, will solve problems in our favor.
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 21 January 2018 12: 00
      13
      Quote: 210ox
      We express our concern - our main weapon.

      What should we do? belay What we SHOULD do, withdraw our peacekeeping mission and the military police. We have deduced, now should our guys die for the Kurds? belay let the American guys die for their puppets, Assad offered them help, they refused, so there was nothing to worry about. sad
      1. 210ox
        210ox 21 January 2018 12: 09
        +2
        You don’t have to die for the Kurds. But you can’t let the Turks into Syrian land.
        Quote: vlad66
        Quote: 210ox
        We express our concern - our main weapon.

        What should we do? belay What we SHOULD do, withdraw our peacekeeping mission and the military police. We have deduced, now should our guys die for the Kurds? belay let the American guys die for their puppets, Assad offered them help, they refused, so there was nothing to worry about. sad
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 21 January 2018 12: 16
          +7
          Quote: 210ox
          It was necessary to negotiate.

          The head of the General Staff of Turkey, Hulusi Akar, and the head of the Turkish National Intelligence Organization, Hakan Fidan, went to the Russian capital, Anadolu agency reports. Akar and Fidan went to Moscow, where they will hold talks with the head of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov on Thursday, January 18. It is noted that this meeting will primarily be devoted to discussing the current situation in Syria. The Turkish General Staff said that during the talks the parties intend to address regional security problems, will discuss in detail the current situation in Syria, and also discuss the positions of Moscow and Ankara regarding the negotiation processes. in Astana, Geneva and Sochi.https: //polit.info/383169-glava-genshtaba-tu
          rcii-edet-v-moskvu-na-peregovory-po-sirii

          As you see, your wishes were fulfilled. Iran, by the way, is also not opposed. hi The Kurds had to think earlier. hi
      2. dSK
        dSK 21 January 2018 12: 16
        +5
        Hello Vlad!
        Quote: vlad66
        let the american guys die for their puppets
        "Turkish Air Force bombed Minning airfield in northwestern Syria. It was this US airfield that was used to supply weapons to Kurdish armed groups. It is known that Turkish planes hit 108 targets out of 113 planned. "
        "US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson urgently contacted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov after the start of Turkey’s operation in Syrian Afrin, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s official Facebook page says. "
        (Channel "Tsargrad" 21.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        1. vlad66
          vlad66 21 January 2018 12: 20
          +7
          Quote: dsk
          "The Turkish Air Force bombed the Minning airfield in northwestern Syria. It was this US airfield that was used to supply arms to Kurdish armed forces. It is known that Turkish planes hit 108 out of 113 targets.

          Good day, Sergey hi
          Quote: vlad66
          The Kurds had to think earlier. hi

          That's how Dmitry answered and your answer complements it. hi
    4. Maz
      Maz 21 January 2018 12: 46
      0
      Our work in idlib. We will always agree with the Turks. Let them work.
    5. svp67
      svp67 21 January 2018 13: 44
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      . We express our concern - our main weapon.

      And what, there is a proposal to get into these showdowns? Which side, let me ask?
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 January 2018 11: 53
    +1
    The Department of Defense noted that the provocative actions of the United States led to the crisis,

    All spoke out correctly ..! But Turkey is celebrating victory early, everything is still ahead .. Erdogan needs to strengthen its own security (preferably Russian special forces ..))))
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 January 2018 12: 20
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Erdogan needs to strengthen his own guard (preferably Russian special forces ..))))

      It’s more likely to be covered by “Ichkeria and Crimean Tatar” than ours. We are opponents, and here many are trying to pretend that everything is going according to plan. But only according to whose plan?
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 21 January 2018 13: 11
      +4
      Turks will lose the last leopards there and they will have to buy T-90 from us
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 21 January 2018 14: 43
        +2
        And do not dream. They have their own "Altai is"
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 January 2018 11: 54
    +1
    In miserable Syria, each "neighbor" solves its tasks. Assad also solves his tasks. And what tasks does the USA solve in Syria? They did not get lost for an hour?
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 21 January 2018 14: 25
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And what tasks does the USA solve in Syria?

      The creation of Kurdistan at the expense of the territory of the SAR, Iran, Iraq and restless Turkey, make the map of Peterson a reality ....
      1. Grits
        Grits 21 January 2018 15: 39
        +1
        make Peterson's map a reality ....
        Incidentally, this map, which many people don’t like so much, is quite sound. In any case, it reflects territories with a common confessional and ethnic composition. I am sure that if the borders weren’t as they are now - drawn by the powers that be, but like those on this map, then there would be no many problems and contradictions now.
        1. Grits
          Grits 21 January 2018 15: 49
          0

          Map of peoples
        2. Grits
          Grits 21 January 2018 15: 53
          0

          Confessional card
          1. Grits
            Grits 21 January 2018 15: 54
            0

            Map of the peoples of BV
            1. rruvim
              rruvim 22 January 2018 19: 48
              0
              Really curious! Tell me where you can download in high quality ... Regards.
          2. Olegovi4
            Olegovi4 21 January 2018 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: Gritsa
            Confessional card

            if you follow your logic and bring similar maps of Russia, then what kind of united country can we talk about? or in the east is possible, but we have a special case? somehow wrong ... yeah
  4. victorrat
    victorrat 21 January 2018 11: 57
    0
    Turkey is pushing the Kurds to join the Syrian army and fight together against the invaders. If they achieve this it will be a great common victory. It remains to offer the Turks to leave and finish off this "free army". In the meantime, the US government is sitting on unpaid leave to bomb terrorist camps with their teachers together.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 21 January 2018 12: 07
      +6
      The military on the ground, but without payment.
  5. Rusland
    Rusland 21 January 2018 11: 57
    +9
    They lure the Turks, and at night they will come to visit.
  6. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 12: 07
    +6
    Not mine, but I liked it:
    If you look at the facts, we see the following picture:
    - Of the one and a half dozen Kurdish clans in Syria, only one is not oriented to America;
    - But this clan, which for some reason is terrified by some as either “ours” or “pro-Russian,” is not going to obey the Syrian government and return to its composition;
    - The Kurdish idea of ​​autonomy in practice means that they have all the rights of a sovereign state, without the slightest responsibility - which is not realistic in any case;
    - All Kurdish clans are a threat to Turkey, even those with which the Turks have currently agreed (this is part of the Kurds in Iraq);
    - Turkey wants, can and intends to eliminate this threat, has all the resources and acts.

    That is, in fact, we see that the Kurds are a threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Syria - that is, they are a problem that needs to be addressed (otherwise why bother getting into it).

    And if Erdogan is ready to solve this problem at the expense of his resources, then why should we bother him in this?

    Our task is to ensure that he remains within our framework and correct it if he tries to marry them. Observe their interests and, as part of that, the interests of Syria ...
    And here our interests coincide with the Turkish for the most part. At least at this stage ...
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 21 January 2018 12: 30
      +5
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Kurds - a threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Syria - that is, they are a problem that needs to be addressed (otherwise why bother getting into it at all).
      And if Erdogan is ready to solve this problem at the expense of his resources, then why should we bother him in this?

      If you argue like this, then in vain in due time we entered our troops into the rebellious Chechnya. It was necessary to invite NATO to restore order there, in the person of ... yes these are the same red fesos.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 12: 36
        +8
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        If you argue like this, then we in vain in due time ...

        Until you see the difference between the Czech Republic (part of the Russian Federation) and Syria, talking to you about something ... is pointless.
        Learn the materiel. There will be sensible thoughts - come in.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 21 January 2018 12: 44
          +3
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Learn the materiel. There will be sensible thoughts - come in.

          I did not expect another answer. In your own arrogant style, you left behind ... three sentences, but in none of them graciously did not indicate what I was wrong. lol
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 12: 52
            +5
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            but none of them graciously indicated what I was wrong

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Until you see the difference between the Czech Republic (part of the Russian Federation), and Syria

            This is not enough?
            Okay, I'm chewing ...
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            ... in vain at the time we entered our troops into rebellious Chechnya.Had NATO invite to restore order there ...

            Need not. The Czech Republic is a republic within the Russian Federation, and putting order there is an internal affair of the Russian Federation. Surprisingly wink
            Kurds ... are a problem that needs to be addressed.
            And if Erdogan is ready to solve this problem at the expense of his resources, then why should we bother him in this?

            And it’s right, because it’s written a bit less (you cut it off. It is ... disadvantageous for you):
            Our task is to ensure that he remains within our framework and correct it if he tries to marry them. Observe your interests and as part of that - the interests of Syria

            Is something else incomprehensible? Do not be shy, I'm good today ... for now laughing
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 21 January 2018 15: 46
              +1
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Is something else incomprehensible?

              With you? Everything has been clear for a long time what I have once again been convinced of.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Do not be shy, I'm good today ... for now

              Thank you, but I'm not shy ..... and I need to threaten.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The Czech Republic is a republic within the Russian Federation, and putting order there is an internal affair of the Russian Federation. Surprisingly

              Kurds are a formation within the ATS, and putting order there is an internal affair of the ATS. Therefore, if the Turkish army and the SSA detachments spread precisely these Kurds, they will take control of the entire occupied territory and begin to build up attacks and provocations in other operational areas that the Asad troops are closing in. This is not an anti-terrorist operation of the Turkish army, but a full-scale occupation with with the battle of land the Turks will not leave voluntarily, because this fully meets their goals of the war. And this is not an ice at all, because you could still have a dialogue with the Kurds and try to negotiate (or inflict a military defeat). With Erdogan, the weakened Assad will not be able to conduct political bargaining at all, not to mention a military solution to the problem . In your passage (... Not mine, but I liked it :), in which for some reason you were embarrassed to give the name of the author of these peppy theses, everything looks as if everything is good and under control. Yes, even this mysterious thought at the very end : And here our interests coincide with the Turkish ones for the most part. At least at this stage ...
              At this stage, Jack! And then they will start stabbing and pressing Assad from this ledge. So I see nothing positive in the Turkish operation. And in the very near future we will all witness this, unfortunately.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 16: 04
                +3
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                positive in the Turkish operation, I see NOTHING

                Your IMHO - your right.
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                very soon we will all witness this, unfortunately

                Is not a fact. We'll see.
                ... and here our interests coincide with the Turkish for the most part. At least at this stage ...

                And what did not please you here? Everything seems to be written correctly.
                As a “cherry on a cake” - that our striped partners have “supper” at Kurds. And Turkey is a member of NATO. Personally, the alignment ... amuses me, I will say so.
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 21 January 2018 14: 32
      0
      Golovan Jack That is, in fact, we see that the Kurds are a threat to the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Syria - that is, they are a problem that needs to be addressed (otherwise why bother).

      To interrupt where and to whom, the Russian Federation? The Russian Federation entered the SAR for completely different reasons, and certainly, unlike the USSR, it doesn’t give a damn about the dismantling of Turks and Kurds ..., incl. The Russian Federation has never set itself the task of de-occupying the SAR from everyone who climbs there, the coast of the SAR is enough for us ...
      And from the point of view of ensuring security and military logistics, a naval base should be built in Latakia, and not on the basis of a military technical base located in Tartus ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 15: 53
        +3
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        The Russian Federation entered the SAR for completely different reasons, and certainly, unlike the USSR, it doesn’t give a damn about the dismantling of Turks and Kurds

        Apparently not exactly the same though. Otherwise, why would this:
        Shoigu discussed with the Akara and Fidan the situation in the Middle East as a whole, as well as other relevant topics of interest to Moscow and Ankara. The military department stressed that the meeting was held in a constructive spirit

        I roughly know, it seems to me, the answer. But for now, modestly keep silent.
    3. Grits
      Grits 21 January 2018 16: 24
      +1
      To all this, one more plus can be added - the disposal of a solid part of the armed uncles, whom you can not write down as Assad’s friends. Be it even the Kurds, even the SSA, even the Turks.
  7. Professor
    Professor 21 January 2018 12: 10
    +9
    Moscow blamed Washington for the crisis.

    “Who the hell?” Nivist! ”So it is here. Some of them cannot / do not want to defend their country, others think of a new Ottoman Empire and attack the neighboring country in violation of all international law (the United Nations is silent of course), while others who "reliably covered the skies of Syria" and promised to help their ally advance their troops to on the eve of the Turkish attack, but ... Washington is to blame. Do you remember? See do not mistake. Previously, Obama personally pissed in elevators, but now ...
    1. akims
      akims 21 January 2018 12: 13
      +4
      And now in the tap again they drank all the water.
      1. cniza
        cniza 21 January 2018 12: 21
        +3
        but ... Washington is to blame. Do you remember?


        Who muddied all this in Syria? he is to blame ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 21 January 2018 12: 38
          +2
          Quote: cniza
          but ... Washington is to blame. Do you remember?


          Who muddied all this in Syria? he is to blame ...

          Then the Turks are guilty of holding this territory for hundreds of years or the British shaving with the French who created never existed states on this territory, and those where national minorities are in power. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan are just timed land mines. Some have already rushed, while the time of others has not come yet. By the way, Turkey itself is not a fountain with demography. Turkish women do not want to give birth, but Kurdish women are doing this quite actively. Time works for the Kurds, which is why Erdogan is so nervous.
          1. avt
            avt 21 January 2018 13: 56
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Then the Turks are guilty of holding this territory for hundreds of years

            And also Russians saved the Turks in Constantinople a couple of times from the Arab uprising in Egypt? wassat
            Quote: Professor
            or shaving with the French who created never existed states on this territory, and where the national minorities are in power.

            Azochenway! Afraid to ask for Israel bully So what? There you’ve got it exactly - you have the right - the elder ordered ... Moses? bully
            Quote: Professor
            Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan are just time bombs.

            Well, seriously, yes. But here is the question, questions - And who will redraw so that everyone would calm down ?? US? Thank you - no need, already seen with Iraq. So for a minute - practically ALL the ultra-Islamic leadership, subsequently recognized by the terrorists, went through Guantanamo and, like Baghdadi, the Amer’s prisons in Iraq. Directly some West Point branches are some kind. According to the patterns of Iran, which now in fact drove us-s in Iraq? Oh, but it seems that someone will be very unhappy right up to the Doomsday weapon request
            Quote: Professor
            Time works for the Kurds, which is why Erdogan is so nervous.

            No. It’s not time, but quite a few USs who, like ISIS earlier, are now arming not the Borzanist structures of roofing felts that declared independence, but have already merged it, but quite a bit tougher leftist, Adzhalan PKK. Not at all embarrassed by the fact that they themselves entered them in their register of terrorists. The Big Game continues. Moreover, there is a firm conviction that the USA went wrong and it’s not their president who decides something, but each of the 17 is like intelligence communities, and their interests are directly perpendicular to each other and are not paralleled by anyone.
            1. Professor
              Professor 21 January 2018 16: 41
              0
              Quote: avt
              And also Russians saved the Turks in Constantinople a couple of times from the Arab uprising in Egypt?

              Russia did not leave a trace on the BV. This is not her sandbox. That shave poured not childishly.

              Quote: avt
              But here is the question, questions - And who will redraw so that everyone would calm down?

              Not a single external force can impose anything here. Boundaries will be established naturally. True blood will be shed a lot.

              Quote: avt
              Quote: Professor
              Time works for the Kurds, which is why Erdogan is so nervous.
              It’s not time, but quite a few USs who, like ISIS earlier, are now arming not the Borzanist structures of roofing felts declaring independence, but have already merged it, but quite harsher leftist, Adzhalan PKKs.

              It is time. In Turkey itself, Kurds will soon be the majority.

              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              You can link, where the official authorities of the Russian Federation promised to close the sky of the SAR from anyone other than ISIS?

              1. Does IG have aviation? lol
              2. https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
              01511291655-7z4t.htm

              Russia tightly closed the sky over Syria for any aircraft, except for its

              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              It seems that the Russian Federation has fulfilled its task, ISIS in the territory of the ATS is not ...

              Yah? And where did the terrorists go? And who then fires at your base?

              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              The Turkish operation does not in any way violate the interests of the Russian Federation, and the forces of the Russian Federation that were there were watching to prevent the Qatari pipe from appearing ....

              I understood you correctly that the NATO country expelled your military from the territory of a friendly (I almost wrote "union") state and entered it with tanks with the support of the Syrian opposition, the very one that your ophthalmologist’s friend is fighting with and all this "does not violate the interests of the Russian Federation "?

              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              Like all Israeli Jews you read the periodicals from the end of events, I remind you that the mess started in the SAR long before the Russians appeared there, it’s clear that the heart of the Israeli patriot is offended that the funds you invested in ISIS did not pay off ....

              1. Not “you,” but “you.”
              2. The mess in Syria began long before the Americans appeared there. Remind the chronology of events?
              3. We beat the IG and at home and in the Sinai and when necessary, and in Syria. So change the training manual. Our funds invested in the IG are adjustable bombs and precision missiles.

              Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
              Never trusted Israeli Jews, itch tongue ....

              And this is said by a person who claims that "ISIS is not in the territory of the SAR ..." fool
              1. Hottabych
                Hottabych 21 January 2018 19: 56
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Russia tightly closed the sky over Syria for any aircraft, except for its

                Russia introduced air defense there after the downing of our plane. And the MoD was said to protect our military. No one else shot down our planes. Everything! The rest is a chatter for lop-eared ...
                Quote: Professor
                The mess in Syria began long before the Americans appeared there. Remind the chronology of events?

                Yeah, in Ukraine, too, it all started, before the Americans appeared there. Do not disgrace in front of relatives, Professor, you are not good at cunning ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 20: 01
                  +4
                  Quote: Hottabych
                  The rest is a chatter for lop-eared.

                  Keep yes
                  And also for lop-eared (which have an ear like a paw) and lop-eared (these are those that have a burdock).
                  1. Hottabych
                    Hottabych 21 January 2018 23: 03
                    +1
                    Lop-eared - litter ... Gadsky t9 wink
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 23: 08
                      +4
                      Quote: Hottabych
                      Gadsky t9

                      Yes. T9 is evil.
                      But the word is really tasty yes
                2. Professor
                  Professor 21 January 2018 20: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Hottabych
                  Russia introduced air defense there after the downing of our plane. And the MoD was said to protect our military. No one else shot down our planes. Everything! The rest is a chatter for lop-eared ...

                  Your planes did not violate the Turkish border anymore.
                  And here's another one:
                  Russia tightly closed the sky over Syria for any aircraft except its own
                  Source: https://politikus.ru/events/59375-rossiya-nagluho
                  -zakryla-nebo-nad-siriey-dlya-lyubyh-samoletov-kr
                  ome-svoih.html
                  Politikus.ru

                  Quote: Hottabych
                  Yeah, in Ukraine, too, it all started, before the Americans appeared there. Do not disgrace in front of relatives, Professor, you are not good at cunning ...

                  And what place is Syria connected with Ukraine? Maybe in Hama massacre arranged by Bandera? Or maybe the American marines?
                  Teach materiel.
                  1. Hottabych
                    Hottabych 21 January 2018 21: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Professor
                    Your planes did not violate the Turkish border anymore.

                    What did you get it from?) Ah, apparently they didn’t write about it in the yellow press that you read ?:
                    Quote: Professor
                    https://politikus.ru/events/59375-rossiya-nagluho
                    -zakryla-nebo-nad-siriey-dlya-lyubyh-samoletov-kr
                    ome-svoih.html
                    Politikus.ru

                    .
                    Quote: Professor
                    And what place is Syria connected with Ukraine? Maybe in Hama massacre arranged by Bandera? Or maybe the American marines?

                    The same place with which they are all connected with Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, etc. And in all these places, I’m sorry, Ass. You yourself will guess what kind of country a three letter is hiding under such a vivid name.? This is the answer to your question what place they are all connected ...
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 21 January 2018 22: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Hottabych
                      What did you get it from?) Ah, apparently they didn’t write about it in the yellow press that you read ?:

                      The Turkish side did not report violations of its border. Nobody else flies to them by mistake and no one's drones fall anymore. fellow

                      Quote: Hottabych
                      The same place with which they are all connected with Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia, etc. And in all these places, I’m sorry, Ass. You yourself will guess what kind of country a three letter is hiding under such a vivid name.? This is the answer to your question what place they are all connected ...

                      Are you hinting that it was the USA that bombed Hama in 1982? wink
                      1. Hottabych
                        Hottabych 21 January 2018 22: 59
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        The Turkish side did not report violations of its border. Nobody else flies to them by mistake and no one's drones fall anymore.

                        Or maybe because it does not state that Russia and Turkey have joined forces in the fight against terrorists.)
                        Quote: Professor
                        Are you hinting that it was the USA that bombed Hama in 1982?

                        And what place is the 82 year Hama connected with Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, etc.?
                        Well, you remembered, Professor, the events of the last century! lol Although, I will not blame you, there is nothing fresh to remember ... wink
              2. MOSKVITYANIN
                MOSKVITYANIN 21 January 2018 21: 04
                +1
                Professor Does IG have aviation?

                UAVs have not heard no, incl. those that were shot down by WB air defense systems in Khmeimim ...
                https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
                01511291655-7z4t.htm

                Well, what did you throw me a link, did you even read the article posted on it?
                Now we will ensure the safety of our air group’s planes in operations against ISIS and other terrorist groups in more reliable ways, ”Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said at a briefing.

                There is not a word about protecting the sky of the ATS ...
                I understood you correctly that the NATO country expelled your military from the territory of a friendly (I almost wrote "union") state and entered it with tanks with the support of the Syrian opposition, the very one that your ophthalmologist’s friend is fighting with and all this "does not violate the interests of the Russian Federation "?

                Not at all. The forces of the RF Armed Forces left the combat zone by order of the RF Ministry of Defense
                “To prevent provocations and eliminate the threat to the life and health of Russian troops, the operations team of the Center for Reconciliation of the warring parties and the military police in the Afrin region has been relocated to the Tell-Adjar area of ​​the Tell-Rif'at deconflict zone,” the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

                Your source https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
                01801201819-1xn8.htm
                Not you, but you

                I would love to offend you and your family, but this is contrary to the Rules of the VO site ...
                The mess in Syria began long before the Americans appeared there. Remind the chronology of events?

                Do you want to say that the unrest in the SAR in 2011 began not through the fault of the United States and Persian monarchies?
                We beat the IG and at home and in the Sinai and when necessary, and in Syria.

                You hit everyone in the Sinai and the SAR under the pretext of exterminating the terrorists ... sooner or later, Israeli Jews will get "dirty bombs" in their shopping centers ...
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    3. Maz
      Maz 21 January 2018 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Moscow blamed Washington for the crisis.

      “Who the hell?” Nivist! ”So it is here. Some of them cannot / do not want to defend their country, others think of a new Ottoman Empire and attack the neighboring country in violation of all international law (the United Nations is silent of course), while others who "reliably covered the skies of Syria" and promised to help their ally advance their troops to on the eve of the Turkish attack, but ... Washington is to blame. Do you remember? See do not mistake. Previously, Obama personally pissed in elevators, but now ...


      We will not mix it up, we remember about 3,8 billion dollars for armament every year and laughing two more on the other. We must work out! Yes Professor? Offset, colleague. The White House can be proud of you! And not for free! What is characteristic laughing toto they lost contact, but it won what ...
    4. Spez
      Spez 21 January 2018 13: 33
      +3
      and attack the neighboring country in violation of all international law (the United Nations, of course, is silent)

      Self-criticism is the path to recovery.
      the third "reliably covering the sky of Syria" and promised to help the ally withdrew their troops in advance

      You insist ?! What if the Russian Defense Ministry decides to heed your advice and closes the sky over Syria, and does they even grab part of Lebanon along the radius? Many of your planes will return to base?
      Sometimes digging holes for others, prompts these very others to dig underground passages in order to get out of these holes.
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 21 January 2018 20: 18
        +1
        Well, why close it! It’s like two fingers to us. The main thing is to say on TV and write in the newspaper. Well, if something we refer either to the curvature or that the missiles of the wrong system were ...
    5. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 21 January 2018 14: 41
      +2
      Professor third "reliably covering the sky of Syria"

      You can link, where the official authorities of the Russian Federation promised to close the sky of the SAR from anyone other than ISIS?
      and promised to help an ally

      It seems that the Russian Federation has fulfilled its task, ISIS in the territory of the ATS is not ...
      withdraw their troops in advance of the Turkish attack

      The Turkish operation does not in any way violate the interests of the Russian Federation, and the forces of the Russian Federation that were there were watching to prevent the Qatari pipe from appearing ....
      but ... Washington is to blame. Do you remember? See do not mistake.

      Like all Israeli Jews you read the periodicals from the end of events, I remind you that the mess started in the SAR long before the Russians appeared there, it’s clear that the heart of the Israeli patriot is offended that the funds you invested in ISIS did not pay off ....

      Never trusted Israeli Jews, itch tongue ....
      1. Dry
        Dry 22 January 2018 11: 23
        0
        Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
        and the forces of the Russian Federation that were there were making sure that the Qatari pipe did not appear ....

        That's interesting.
  8. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 January 2018 12: 15
    +4
    Late to vote the Kurds. With the strategy "every man for himself" in the modern world, it is not possible to lose. The Kurds lost their independence at the time of the deal with the Americans. And they aggravated their position when they started their game separately from Assad. Now nobody needs them. Consumables in the dispute are stronger.
    And this, in fact, is only the beginning. The story will continue when the Americans, having torn themselves, are forced to leave, and for their receding backs, the settlement of accounts will begin, and no one will want to negotiate with the Kurds. For it’s too late and nefig ...
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 January 2018 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: Andrey K
    there are agreements between the Syrians, Iranians and Turks, with our mediation

    I also adhere to this opinion. And the Turks were suddenly not easy to attend to the construction of the second branch of the Turkish Stream.
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 21 January 2018 12: 24
    +3
    And this is the beginning of the Turkish occupation, with the rejection of part of the territory of Syria! Blasphemy, but I wish the Turks had huge losses, both in technology and in soldiers! !!
    1. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 21 January 2018 15: 35
      0
      Not completely Turkish.
      It seems that Turkey and Russia together decided to play the Syrian card without intermediaries. Iran and America, according to the plan, should be left overboard. Assad will be content with throwing him (Alavitstan).
  11. Zina389
    Zina389 21 January 2018 12: 33
    +2
    The people simply do not understand what is happening there. And the people are always right. My personal opinion is this, Perdogan realized that the de-escalation zone in the north ordered a long life. There is an offensive in Idlib, where cute women are found, but not all cute ones. On the other hand, the United States and Russia are promoting the idea of ​​federalizing Syria, read Kurdish autonomy. Both sides are trying to take Kurds to their hands. Perdoganych is angry, and he decided to dunk some Kurds. It will free the territory, or maybe even seize, it is not known when, according to the situation. By the way, it’s also hard for Israel to sit still. He wants to protect the Druze.
    1. Maz
      Maz 21 January 2018 13: 00
      0
      Be Sof-Sof: (total) The Sultan is sausage of his potential terrorists, we of our own, Assad of our own, Israel of our own. There are only Americans and NATO out of place. And so, duck Normal capitalism. With a military bias.
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 21 January 2018 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        There are only Americans and NATO out of place.

        How is it out of place ?! They also produce terrorists.
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 21 January 2018 13: 46
      +1
      Quote: Zina389
      On the other hand, the United States and Russia are promoting the idea of ​​federalizing Syria, read Kurdish autonomy. Both sides are trying to take Kurds to their hands. Perdoganych is angry, and he decided to dunk some Kurds.

      Looking from the side at all this, I can’t understand what fate Erdogan wants to Kurds? You won’t kill everyone, it’s understandable, and this atrocity is unprecedented, a person will not do such a thing. It seems to me that to give them autonomy on foreign territory and to expel from Turkey all those who are not in favor - this should be the best option for the Turks. But they do the opposite. Unclear...
  12. flicker
    flicker 21 January 2018 12: 35
    +3
    There will be no peace in Syria until there are the USA, which deliberately began to drown for an independent Kurdistan (although they do not need it at all) precisely with the aim of provoking Turkey into a military operation against the Kurds, which, unfortunately, are in Syria - formally that Turkey is fighting with Syria.
    Well, who then are these Kurds?
    Another people who lit mattress covers. The Turks will eventually get a war with the Kurds, including on their territory - this will be their price for the desire to chop off the territory of Syria under the guise.
    The next state ally who will be forced to engage in fighting is Israel. Israel will be drawn into the war against the Arabs not at all for Israel to win, but just the opposite - for it to lose and to chaotize the territory of the BV even more, because the states need Islamic radicals as a huge force capable of keeping the world in suspense.
    But we urge all parties to peace, to resolve all contentious issues through negotiations - yes, it is difficult, but there is no other way.
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 21 January 2018 13: 49
      0
      Quote: flicker
      But we urge all parties to peace, to resolve all contentious issues through negotiations - yes, it is difficult, but there is no other way.

      Well done! good
    2. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 21 January 2018 15: 04
      +1
      But we urge all parties to peace, to resolve all contentious issues through negotiations - yes, it is difficult, but there is no other way.

      And here is some kind of inconsistency!
      The postscript quotes:
      YPG Kurdish police have issued a statement in connection with the start of the Turkish operation “Olive Branch” in Afrin.

      The statement said: "We know that the Turkish military would not attack Afrin without the approval of the international community, and Russia in the first place, since its forces were deployed in Afrin."

      Russia transferred its forces from Afrin to another part of the country and expressed "concern" in connection with the escalation.

      The Kurds emphasized: “we hold the responsibility for these attacks equally on the Turkish occupation forces and on Russia.”
      Interesting girls are dancing, four at once in a row.
      “Even Assad is out of business!”
      Coincidence? I’m not thinking !!!
  13. Suharik.inline
    Suharik.inline 21 January 2018 13: 01
    +3
    Deadlock.
    The Kurds said they could handle it, the Syrian army withdrew, we withdrew, the Turks crashed, pushed the Kurds into the depths of Syrian territory.
    And how many of them will be moved like that until they bump into the Syrian army and what's next?
    And how much they will push them across the territory of Syria and then try to expel the Turks from there.
    Of course, I'm still a strategist sitting on a sofa with a laptop, but it seems to me that it was unnecessary for Turkey to let it do that.
    They said that let the Turks of the Kurds and Assad will have to deal with them, but wouldn’t it turn out so that by moving the Kurds of the Syrian army the Turks will have to fight back and it seems to me a different weight category.
  14. anjey
    anjey 21 January 2018 13: 14
    0
    The Department of Defense noted that the provocative actions of the United States “aimed at isolating areas with a predominantly Kurdish population” led to the crisis.
    The only right decision for the Kurds, at least the Afrinsky, to tear from the United States and agreeing to autonomy to go to Assad and Russia, then Turkey will be ruined ....
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 21 January 2018 16: 47
      0
      Quote: anjey
      The only right decision for the Kurds, even the Afrinsky ones, to tear from the United States and agree to autonomy to go to Assad

      so the fact of the matter is that they turned their nose from this agreement as soon as the mattresses promised their "help". it was after this that they gave Perdogan the opportunity to clean up the "irreconcilable". so that is the choice of the Kurds themselves.
  15. iaroslav.mudryi
    iaroslav.mudryi 21 January 2018 13: 44
    +2
    About the situation in Afghanistan from Colonel Kassad:
    "..... 3. The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed concern about what is happening and urged the parties to“ show restraint. "Officially they blamed the USA for their decision to provide the Kurds with weapons (and the subsequent deception of Erdogan, who was promised not to give the Kurds weapons) and promises to create an 30 000 army on the Turkish borders, provoked Turkey to attack the Kurdish territories.In principle, if after Afrin the Turkish attack on Manbij follows, there is a chance of a forced closure of the Kurdish project in Syria, in the spirit of closing Iraqi Kurdis Iran last fall.It is quite obvious that Syria, Turkey, Iran and Russia are not interested in American combinations with the Kurds and if there is no other choice, they will be treated the same as they did with the Barzani clan, but so far the Kurds are offered an alternative. with the recognition of Assad’s leadership and the rejection of American support. Asad himself said that those who accept help from the Americans, Damascus will be considered traitors .... "
    "... 5. The United States urged Turkey to exercise restraint. The Turkish Foreign Minister in talks with Trump's national security adviser Macmaster again demanded (hehe, wonderful times came when Turkey systematically demands something from Washington) that the US stop support for PYD / YPG, stopped all deliveries of weapons to the Kurds and took what they already delivered.
    The Americans said they shared Turkey’s concern, but didn’t give promises to pick up weapons. Americans can be understood by forcing the Kurdish project, they underestimated the opposition of opponents. In Iraq, they had already lost when Suleimani brutally treated the Kurds in Kirkuk. Refusing to support the Kurds now means the second time in 2 years to remain in Syria with nothing. Therefore, Washington continues to loop, but it will become much more difficult if Turkey seriously starts preparing an invasion of the territory of Rojava, taking advantage of the same concern that Washington shares. And in this case, the United States will be put in a hard fork, as they gave the Rozhava Kurds direct security guarantees and they should protect them. Defend against a NATO ally. Such a bizarre collision may form in the near future. Of course, what is happening further pushes Turkey towards Russia and Iran .... "

    Источник: http://rusdozor.ru/2018/01/20/afrin-20-01-2018-ve
    cher /
  16. petrakimov
    petrakimov 21 January 2018 13: 49
    0
    Quote: dsk
    Turkish Air Force bombed Minning airfield in northwestern Syria. It was this US airfield that was used to supply weapons to Kurdish armed groups. It is known that Turkish planes hit 108 targets out of 113 planned. "
    "US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson urgently contacted Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov after the start of Turkey’s operation in Syrian Afrin, the Russian Foreign Ministry’s official Facebook page says."

    Yeah ... good day! Really kind.
  17. Livonetc
    Livonetc 21 January 2018 14: 00
    +3
    Official Damascus cannot smash overwhelming Kurds.
    Turkey is quite capable.
    And the interests in this Damascus and Ankara met.
    Kurds are a threat to the territorial integrity of both states.
    Russia and Iran look at it pragmatically.
    Israel is generally pursuing a policy similar to Turkish.
    The main dirty trick in the BV is known and has nothing to do with the region.
    1. Sasha Crimean
      Sasha Crimean 21 January 2018 15: 44
      0
      Livonetc
      Today, 14: 00

      Russia and Iran look at it pragmatically.

      Israel, too, looks at it dogmatically.
      But if you wanted to fuss over the topic, then here is another option:
      Turks with Russia share Syria, without Iran and the United States.
  18. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 21 January 2018 15: 05
    +1
    The Kurds have played out. They didn’t live normally, flirting with the United States is not doing well.
    1. garnik
      garnik 21 January 2018 22: 37
      +1
      These Kurds flirted with us. No matter how we justify ourselves, it doesn’t work out well. Perhaps the Kurds will ask for help from us and we will come to help as always, I hope, although I treat the Kurds no better than the Turks.
      1. MOSKVITYANIN
        MOSKVITYANIN 21 January 2018 23: 46
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        garnik These Kurds flirted with us. No matter how we justify ourselves, it doesn’t work out well.

        It was the USSR flirting with the PKK, but why did the Russian Federation need this, for what purpose, and what would the Russian Federation get from this? Future Kurdistan will still be pro-American, i.e. the second Israel, apparently BV there are few ghouls alone, it is necessary to create one more ...
        Perhaps the Kurds will ask for help from us and we will always come to the rescue, I hope, although I treat the Kurds no better than the Turks.

        Why the hell did they rest against us, you want to advance to them on your combat couch, but why the Russian Federation ....
        All countries will develop peacefully, but for some reason we must fight for all - Serbs, Syrians, North Koreans, now Kurds ....
        1. garnik
          garnik 22 January 2018 00: 33
          +1
          It's not about the Kurds, for me, let the war not end between them and the Turks, they are facing each other. I’m alarmed by the behavior of Russia. The Armenians have already gone through this, if they don’t hope for themselves, the story of a century ago may repeat itself.
          Assad troops provide a corridor for assistance from the Rojavian Kurds of Afrinsky.
          1. MOSKVITYANIN
            MOSKVITYANIN 22 January 2018 00: 55
            +1
            Quote: garnik
            I’m guarded by Russia's behavior.

            What exactly? Syrian Kurds did not swear allegiance to Assad, but sold to the Americans, so why the hell RF support Kurds?
            Armenians have already gone through this if they don’t hope for themselves

            Hard to believe, the largest Armenian diasporas live in Russia and France, they need it ....
            1. garnik
              garnik 22 January 2018 09: 35
              +1
              What exactly? Syrian Kurds did not swear allegiance to Assad, but sold to the Americans, so why the hell RF support Kurds?

              The fact that they did not swear is understandable. With the Kurds there is a chance to come to an agreement, but hardly with the Turks. And they gathered courage with the tacit consent of Russia and the USA. You do not have to be a prophet to predict the future relations of Turkey with Russia and the United States. History has long put everything on the shelves. Only we all do experiments. About the corridor left by Assad’s troops, it means priority in choosing potential allies.
              Hard to believe, the largest Armenian diasporas live in Russia and France, they need it ....

              These diasporas have been since the days of imperial Russia, and the Emperors of Russia encouraged this. And where do the Armenians go to Islamic countries? Diaspora appeared in France after the genocide of Christians in Turkey. Thanks to the French who exported refugees to France from Cilicia.
              1. Dry
                Dry 22 January 2018 11: 45
                +2
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                Future Kurdistan will still be pro-American, i.e. second israel

                I completely agree with this. Although what's the difference pro-American Turkey or pro-American Kurdistan. But still

                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                Syrian Kurds did not swear allegiance to Assad, but sold to the Americans, so why the hell RF support Kurds?

                And here everything is right. This is an American game, so let them support the Kurds.

                Garnik, we will soon see whether they (the Americans) will support the Kurds or they will throw, as they threw us 100 years ago. Although now the times are different.
                1. garnik
                  garnik 22 January 2018 11: 53
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                  Garnik, we will soon see whether they (the Americans) will support the Kurds or they will throw, as they threw us 100 years ago. Although now the times are different.

                  Americans were not there 100 years ago, there were British who armed 40 thousand of the Armenian army. But the Armenian Communists did their job, as did the Russian Communists at home.
                  And so, each pursues its own goals and everyone on the drum, the death of another people, only regrets.
                  1. garnik
                    garnik 22 January 2018 13: 09
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                    It is unlikely that the Americans would intercede for the Afrinsky, as if they were under the protection of the Russian military police. They will expose this to everyone, saying that friendship with Russia is worth it. Although I repeat, Assad’s troops provide a corridor for the Kurds beyond the Euphrates, to assist the Athens Kurds.
                    Americans and Israelis are preparing Kurds against Shiites, but not against Turkey. Turks are still needed, ahead of Russia.
                    1. Dry
                      Dry 22 January 2018 17: 07
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                      Quote: garnik
                      Americans were not there 100 years ago

                      I meant the arbitration of Wilson. Although, indeed, America was not what it is now.
                      Quote: garnik
                      It is unlikely that the Americans will stand up for the Afrin

                      What difference does Kurds have? If the Americans support the Kurds, then let them carry chestnuts. There are other countries supporting the Kurds.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: Brut
                      Professor, why isn’t Israel supporting the Kurds?
                      It supports.

                      For God's sake.

                      They want to drag Russia in for the Iraqi Kurds, and now for the Athenian ones. And the Kurds are not much different from the Turks. Israel verbally supported the referendum of Iraqi Kurds, but in fact, even did not give a couple (hundred) spikes, although this could greatly change the balance of power. Similarly, now. We will soon see who needs the Kurds most.
  19. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 22 January 2018 10: 10
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    Turkish tanks and other armored vehicles entered Syrian Afrin to support the opposition Free Syrian Army in operations against Kurdish units

    A regular army is always serious.
    What GDP and Erdogan talked about in numerous negotiations is not known, but this situation must have been negotiated.
    Maybe another batch will help to separate the right terrorists from the wrong ones - who knows.
    It seems that only the lazy does not go to war in Syria - the question is who pays?
  20. Professor
    Professor 22 January 2018 10: 12
    +1
    Quote: Hottabych
    Or maybe because it does not state that Russia and Turkey have joined forces in the fight against terrorists.)

    On the Turkish side, the pro-Turkish opposition forces invaded Syria (your Foreign Ministry calls them terrorists) whose purpose is to overthrow your "friend" Assad. Are you implying that Russia has joined forces with NATO in this?

    Quote: Hottabych
    And what place is the 82 year Hama connected with Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, etc.?
    Well, you remembered, Professor, the events of the last century! Although, I will not blame you, there is nothing fresh to remember ...

    It’s you who are trying to attach Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Yugoslavia to Syria. What for?
    The Hama massacre that occurred not even in the last century, but in the last millennium, is directly related to what is happening in Syria. The Assad family is still sitting on the throne, and the Alawite minority is still trying to control the Sunni majority.

    PS
    Here is the "yellow press". wink
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
    01511291655-7z4t.htm
    1. Hottabych
      Hottabych 22 January 2018 10: 39
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      Quote: Professor
      On the Turkish side, the pro-Turkish opposition forces invaded Syria (your Foreign Ministry calls them terrorists) whose purpose is to overthrow your "friend" Assad. Are you implying that Russia has joined forces with NATO in this?

      Yellowness again, Professor. winked There have been no, no significant comments. Or do you know something that others do not know? belay
      Quote: Professor
      It’s you who are trying to attach Libya, Iraq, Ukraine, Yugoslavia to Syria. What for?

      I said what place they are all connected to, what is it, excuse me, verbiage?
      Quote: Professor
      The Hama massacre that occurred not even in the last century, but in the last millennium, is directly related to what is happening in Syria. The Assad family is still sitting on the throne, and the Alawite minority is still trying to control the Sunni majority.

      Why are you stuck to these Alavites ?! Israel is trying to manage all BV ... But what is BV !!! fellow
      Ah, Professor, where there was only such a thread. It’s bad that there are fans to add oil to the fire! Although, I know for sure that all nations want to live in peace, only they do not give it!
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 January 2018 13: 56
        +1
        Quote: Hottabych
        Yellowness again, Professor. There have been no, no significant comments. Or do you know something that others do not know?

        The fact that your Foreign Ministry has gotten water in his mouth does not cancel the fact of participation of the armed Syrian opposition on the Turkish side. Links fill up or do it yourself? wink

        Quote: Hottabych
        I said what place they are all connected to, what is it, excuse me, verbiage?

        You are trying hard to pull an owl on a globe. Good luck with this ungrateful affair.

        Quote: Hottabych
        Why are you stuck to these Alavites ?! Israel is trying to manage all BV ... But what is BV !!!

        Ethnic and religious conflict is what is happening in Syria today, but you can continue the causes of the war in Washington. The master is the master.

        Quote: Brut
        Professor, why isn’t Israel supporting the Kurds?

        It supports.
        1. Hottabych
          Hottabych 22 January 2018 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          The fact that your Foreign Ministry has gotten water in his mouth does not cancel the fact of the participation of the armed Syrian opposition on the Turkish side.

          Well, it does not cancel and does not cancel, let it be your way, but I do not understand what this proves. There are some backstage donations that we don’t know about, and guessing is not grateful. But nobody forbids you to do this ... smile And about the Foreign Ministry - yours is still silent. wink
          Quote: Professor
          Fill up links or do it yourself?

          Excuse me, Professor, but I don’t read them, don’t. In the 19th century, the press was actively used for propaganda, and now ... What am I telling you.
          Quote: Professor
          You are trying hard to pull an owl on a globe. Good luck with this ungrateful affair.

          No, torturing animals is for your professorship.
          Quote: Professor
          Ethnic and religious conflict is what is happening in Syria today, but you can continue the causes of the war in Washington. The master is the master.

          Washington itself does not deny this, only you, Professor, are pushing.
          Quote: Brut
          Syrian Kurds are Communists.

          Why do you hate communists so much ?! wassat
    2. Dry
      Dry 22 January 2018 11: 47
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      Professor, why isn’t Israel supporting the Kurds?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 January 2018 16: 29
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        Duc ...? Syrian Kurds are Communists. We for them are accomplices of imperialism,
        Palestinian fellah exploiters wassat .
        Israel once tried (in the 60s) to help the weapons of Iraqi Kurds - unsuccessfully.
        1. Dry
          Dry 22 January 2018 17: 52
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israel once tried (in the 60s) to help the weapons of Iraqi Kurds - unsuccessfully.

          Are Iraqi Kurds also Communists?

          In this situation, when the USA and the Russian Federation have turned their backs on these communists, they will be glad of any help, even from accomplices of imperialism. Give them a hundred spikes, the Turks will lose a hundred leopards, the blitzkrieg will fail and the battle (Turks vs Kurds) will be thrown into the territory of Turkey. All in chocolate.
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 22 January 2018 18: 41
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            Quote: Brut
            throw on the territory of Turkey. All in chocolate.

            Are you sure that it will be better for Armenia ?! I doubt it ...